thank you so much for watching. i'll see you back here from the democratic national convention in philadelphia. "ac 360" begins right now. and a good evening to you from philadelphia where they know a thing or two about making history. tomorrow, the democratic party will open a convention to end with the country's first female major party nominee. she and tim kaine said on "60 minutes," what donald trump said about him and president obama says about him. we begin tonight with that. a scandal, an e-mail scandal, no less, today claimed the job of

debbie wasserman schultz. she chairs the democratic party. this would have been her convention. now it will be her last hooraf. jeff zeleny joins us now with the latest. debbie wasserman schultz is out. but it sounds like she's not out until after the convention and not sure i understand. when's the latest? >> anderson, that is true. i am here inside the convention hall and actually practicing some music. we'll hear later in the week. but debbie wasserman schultz i'm told is expected to take the stage tomorrow afternoon. shortly after the proceedings begin here insisting on still taking the stage to welcome delegates and talk to them. but this all is part of a long, drawn out series of events today, started the day she was presiding over the convention and ending where she is leaving on friday. it took the president of the united states to have a phone call with her late today and the clinton campaign to convince her to step aside. it's all over the controversy, the uproar, over those e-mails as you mentioned that show what many sanders supporters believe

that the dnc simply not fair and impartial and embarrassing to say the least and not impartial and led her to step down mid afternoon today and took a lot of doing, though, anderson. >> i mean, essentially was she fired? you said she talked to the president and hillary clinton before making announcement and stepping down and clearly this wasn't what she wanted. >> it was definitely not what she wanted, anderson. she wanted to be here in philadelphia. presiding over this historic convention. but it was not -- she is not fired per se because serves as the pleasure of the members of the democratic national committee and not helpful to the clinton campaign. that's, of course, what this is all about, nominating hillary clinton and not debbie wasserman schultz. many democrats conveyed to her this is not going away. in fact, it may even get worse if more e-mails come out and thought the best way to deal

with this simply to step aside. so many sanders delegates angry and do not want a repeat of what happened last week in cleveland to happen here in philadelphia. >> well, i mean, how do we expect it to play out with sanders supporters on the floor? because, i mean, when she goes up there and appears, you know, how are they going to react? >> well, anderson, it is a great question. we'll be certainly watching it tomorrow afternoon. you have to think that this is a place to vent anger and to react to the person who's on stage. and i'm told by a few people close to her they have assurances from senator sanders to tell their supporters to not boo her. i don't see how you can make assurances. this is a party, after all. a political convention. so there's question that tomorrow afternoon if she takes the stage i do not see how she is not received sort of negatively here. perhaps even by clinton supporters. she is not beloved in the party. she has support across some areas of the party but we'll see

if she goes through with this. another caveat, running for re-election to her congressional seat in florida and she has a tough primary fight in august. so, all this could play into that. she doesn't want to be booed on stage tomorrow and that could happen. anderson? >> is it possible she will not take the stage? because again, i just don't see why the democratic party would want her up on stage. i mean, regardless what she wants. >> it certainly is possible she would not take the stage. everything is in flux. we saw what happened over the last 12 hours or so. but as of now, i'm told that was her insistence in the day. she wants to talk to the delegates. as of now she is planning to and 24 hours could change a lot of things here once, you know, this is well thought through and hears from more people and right now planning >>, thanks. donna brazile will take the helm

of the dnc chair. my conversation with donna is coming up. the candidate and her running mate first joint interview on "6 ominutes" tonight with scott pelley. >> calls you crooked hillary. what do you call him? >> i don't call him anything and i'm not going to engage in that kind of insult fest that he seems to thrive on. so whatever he says about me he's perfectly free to use up his own air time and his own space to do. i'm going to talk about what he's done, how he has hurt people in business time after time after time. his vicious language against immigrants, his insulting a distinguished federal judge of mexican heritage, his mocking a person with a disability, his really inflammatory language about muslims, about american

muslims, about muslims all over the world, his demeaning comments about women. i'll respond to what he has said that i think is so fundamentally at odds with who we are as a nation, where we need to be heading in the future, and the kind of dangerous, risky leadership that he's promising. >> can i say this? i don't want to -- she's done a good job of letting the water go off her back on this. that's not the way i feel. when i see this, you know, "crooked hillary" or the "locker up" it's ridiculous. it's ridiculous. the republican fbi director makes there's a decision there's nothing here that is, you know, warrants any additional activity, but -- >> criminal prosecution. >> so they say we don't believe him now. we saw the folks trying to rehash the tragic deaths of americans in libya which we

should all feel for those families, trying to politicize it. >> i feel there's the hillary standard and the standard for everybody else. >> what is the hillary standard? >> well, it is a lot of as you saw at the republican convention unfounded, inaccurate mean-spirited attacks with no basis in truth, reality, which, take on a life of their own and for whatever reasons and i don't want to try to analyze the reasons, i see it, i understand it, people are very willing to say things about me, to make accusations about me that are, i don't get upset about them anymore but they are very regrettable. >> we'll have more from the "60 minutes" interview shortly. join us nia-malika henderson and john king and and gloria borger, clinton friend and pro-clean

superpack organizer paul begala, bill press and jeffrey lord. what do you think of their first appearance? we analyzed closely the first appearance of donald trump and governor pence on "60 minutes." what do you make of this team? >> i think they're relaxed together. i think he makes her better, actually, in answering these questions. >> do you think he sort of comes to her defense? >> yes he does, he comes to her defense and i was think being this yesterday, as we watched their, was that yesterday, their announcement speech? usually in politics women soften men. i think he softens her. she is so relieved to have him there. she seems happy, she was smiling during the announcement and just in this interview, there was a very easy back-and-forth between them, so i think there is a real relationship there, and him coming to her defense in such a,

you know, a good way, he's very strong, helps her out. >> certainly, john, one of the headlines from this is hillary clinton saying there's a hillary standard and a standard for everybody else. i think some people are going to read that as well that's just the clintons sort of -- >> against the narrative of the clintons have their own set of rules and think they can do things and get away with things. she should be careful. this is how she feels and has felt and paul and i lived through this when he was in the clinton white house and i was covering the clinton white house. from whitewater to monica lewin ska, paula jones, attacks on the health debate in the '90s. the right wing conspiracy is looking in her trash, hiding in her backyard and it's changed her, friends will tell you it has changed her and from covering the it '92 campaign, she used to come back on the plane and have a glass of wine every now and then, she was funny, accessible and charming.

she doesn't want anything to do with us now. she has become in the words of friends, much more paranoid because of this and sometimes when she talks about this, i lived those days and understand how she feels, not saying i agree with her but it's dangerous to start saying woe is me when you're about to be the democratic nominee. >> nia, what do you think? >> i think that's right. you compare the chemistry clinton and kaine, pence and trump they clearly like each other and kaine in terms of what he does to the map, he's someone who knows virginia very, very well. he was the mayor of richmond, which is going to be a key place to really get out the vote. some people say vice presidential choice doesn't really matter. i think it matters more in this instance because he's from a swing state and a lot of the data shows in a swing state it could acquire three or four points in terms of the top of the ticket. so i think this is a good match.

democrats i heard who were luke warm on hillary clinton love tim kaine. he was amazing yesterday. we were sort of looking at him on the teleprompter yesterday. he did it sort of with ease, and just seemed to be talking to people and connecting in a way that didn't seem performative. >> paul begala, why would the dnc or hillary clinton suck up any more air time than getting on stage tomorrow with debbie wasserman schultz. they diverted from the story the rnc wanted out there. >> it's smaller because it's not a candidate for president like ted cruz was but it's a distraction and getting on the stage instead she should be getting on a plane, an 8:35 to miami. >> you looked that up, didn't you? >> yes, i did. if it were legal my superpack would pay for the flight. you don't need any distractions. >> to me, i don't understand people saying that's what she

wanted. is that how this works? >> it's part of the deal. it's not fair. if life was fair i'd be 6'4" with a full head of hair. her service is important and should be honored but if it is a distraction from winning democrats cannot afford it. the two things, actually this is for the whole rest of the race i'll stick to this, the dynamics to watch, which party is more unified and mainstream. the republicans failed on both. today part of the problem with the chairman it overshadowed a huge story the popular former new york mayor, mike bloomberg is reportedly going to endorse hillary clinton here. that's mainstream, very important story. disunity story and hurts. >> just as we were talking about melania trump made it a two or three-day story this becomes a story tomorrow as well which in the news business we're thankful for but i imagine you democrats are not. >> i have been on this set off

and on since 2:00 this afternoon. we have talked about nothing but debbie wasserman schultz. this is insane. let me tell you, this convention, and i say this not as a sanders supporter, i say it as a democrat. coming out of a great primary, portsmouth, new hampshire, great joint appearance, you know, and the rollout of tim kaine, 100 points or whatever, and now coming here for the big unity thing and suddenly all we're talking about is debbie wasserman schultz. she's got to go. it is not fair. this convention is about hillary clinton and tim kaine, not about debbie wasserman schultz. >> the democrats were portraying this as ripping off the band-aid. it's like putting it pack on and waiting until tomorrow to take it off. >> the idea they're all pulling together and obama and hillary and even the sanders people are all saying this is a good resolution of this. no, it's not. >> the president of the united states had to call her. >> yes. >> this is somebody who nobody can talk to her. all day long they tried to tell

her how she was distracting hillary's convention. her point is president obama appointed me. the president of the united states had to call her. debbie wasserman schultz is meeting with senior staff and as i was walking out still plans to gavel the convention tomorrow and speak >> when that happens it's going to blow up. >> she'll make ted cruz seem like the most popular person. >> and you know what i think bernie sanders will boo? >> i think the clinton people will boo, i'm sorry. >> i want to hear jeffrey lord on this. we'll take a quick break and jeffrey lord and a lot more to talk about coming up next. what senator cain thinks the prospect working alongside former president clinton, based on something hillary clinton said, and later donald trump's connection with departing fox news founder roger ailes, who helped make richard nixon president. could he possibly do the same for donald trump? see what trump said about that when we continue. ♪

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former president bill clinton headlines the evening on tuesday night. he spoke at the convention four years ago. people are still talking about it tonight. this time if he's successful and becomes the first first husband, the question is would that cramp the style of say his old friend tim kaine? scott pelley asked him about it for "cbs 60 minutes" tonight. >> senator you're going to be vice president in a white house with two presidents. >> it's an embarrassment of riches. >> what do you think of that notion? >> i think it's an all hands on deck time. >> yes. >> we're going to have a crackerjack staff and we're going to have great efforts with our congressional allies and others. >> when we wrote that question, i expected you to come up out of your chair at me and tell me that there was only going to be one president. >> well, no, because i will be the president, but it does

happen to be a historical fact that my husband served as president for eight years, and there's a lot that happened, which helped the american people during those eight years. i want an economy that creates more jobs, and that's a lot of jobs. i want an economy that gets back to raising incomes for everybody, most americans haven't had a raise. i want an economy that's going to help lift millions of people out of poverty, because, given the great recession, we have fallen back in the wrong direction, and i'm also going to be relying on president obama. i've already put him on notice. i'm going to be picking up the phone and calling and asking for his advice and so we're going to put them up to work. >> senator, are you ready to be president of the united states? >> i think i'm ready to lead. i'm ready first to be a supportive vice president, so that the presidency of hillary clinton is a fantastic one. but if something were to put

that in my path, as much as any human being would be ready, i'd be ready. you got to approach it with humanility. missionary, civil rights leader, state official, federal official, i've climbed and haven't missed a rung on the ladder. if it were to come that way i could do it. >> hillary clinton, tim kaine on "60 minutes" tonight. jeffrey lord, because we dealt on the bad trump response to the plagiarism, i got to let you in on debbie wasserman schultz because you've got to enjoy this moment. >> this is my first democratic national convention, and i am having the time of my life. >> it's only sunday. >> yes, it's just absolutely terrific. look, i mean, i have to say, i agree with my friend, paul, here. there should be a shoot out of here for anybody just professionally speaking who detracts attention from the nominee, whomever that may be,

has got to go. now that, said, i mean, this donald trump was right about the dnc. bill was right about the dnc. something was rigged here, when you look at the e-mails this is going to be very, very interesting to see what goes on and i might add, this is the secretary of state who was big on the russian reset and apparently didn't work so well. >> let's talk about russia. mr. moku running the clinton campaign has said or alleged that he believes based on what he says to our experts that russia had a hand in this, behind the hacking and the releasing to wikileaks of these e-mails. if, in fact, there is something there, that's an extraordinarily serious thing, if a foreign government is involving themselves intentionally in order to affect the outcome of a presidential race, that's huge. >> it would be huge and the question has been put to them, can you prove this? can you prove this? we know that russian state

actors and other state actors, others inpend around the world do these things. we don't know who did this one. if they could prove that, that vladimir putin was intervening in american politics to try to help donald trump that would be a blockbuster revelation. if they have the facts or if they can get somebody to find that evidence they should put it forward. when these things happen the opposition research is a big part of politics. that's nefarious if it was a foreign government. if you have a video of somebody robbing a bank and you goive to somebody it's not just about where'd you get it, you still robbed a bank so these e-mails happened. we should not -- yes, who did it is important and if the russians did it, wow. >> but more important the foreign -- >> the fact, just a second. >> the e-mails are embarrassing. that's historic. we should cover it but i don't have an if, if this came from putin's russia to help donald trump isn't that a bigger story? >> yes, it is a bigger story but you have to be able to connect the dots. >> absolutely. >> and i think robbie threw it

out there today, without letting us know what dots he was connecting but i think as journalists -- >> but it's also, isn't it more than just embarrassing for the dnc? it does show that they clearly or it seems to show at least some people in these emails were clearly in favor of hillary clinton. >> tullsey gab wert was right, there's hanky panky at the dnc, i don't like it, i'm bowing out as an official. the russian thing is hugely important but not distract us from this convention and the unity we want to see going into and coming out of this convention. that is the issue now and debbie wasserman schultz has made herself the centerpiece of this convention, and president obama and hillary clinton i'm sorry, have let her do it. this is a test of leadership i believe for the president and for hillary clinton. >> you think this reflects on their leadership? >> i think they have failed a test of leadership by letting

her stay. >> a test of leadership is and i think will be met by bernie sanders tomorrow night. this will be a bad story if and when chairwoman wasserman schultz gets up and speaks and is bood. i think it's going to happen. all that gets blown away when bernie sanders speaks. he can do much more good than all of this problem with the chairwoman has done harm if he chooses to. i think he has stepped up at every critical moment and shown that he's not the spoiler his critics have tried to make him out to be. he cares -- that would be a bigger story by the time we finish tomorrow night. >> still means all day tomorrow. >> yes it does. still we got 11 minutes for that flight to miami. >> another story tomorrow, michelle obama, she's speaking as well. >> right. >> she'll talk about the president's legacy, elizabeth warren as well. certainly by tuesday morning, that will be the more important story and we'll see what happens to debbie wasserman schultz.

maybe we're all wrong. maybe she will get, you know, cheers there, and people will drown out the jeers. >> there's the potential of more e-mails released. i talked to donna brazile. she says there's more e-mail et there. >> i was told by one source the trajectory will go down for debbie wasserman schultz after the other e mails are released. she's running for re-election and has a primary. >> she does. >> she's got to deal with that. >> a lot of people wanted her gone for a long time. >> yes. >> not just in this campaign. >> aside from bernie? >> she's the president's chairwoman, a lot of criticism from democrats the president hasn't cared that much about the party, hasn't tended to the garden. he left her there. not all her fault. in the obama years lost the house, grew the majority. lost the senate, lost more than 900 state legislative seats across the united states of america and lost some governorships. the obama years have been great

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like we told you at the top of the broadcast on the eve of the democratic convention in philadelphia, breaking news the chair of the democratic national committee kongwoman debbie wasserman schultz is resigning in the make of an email scandal, going to step down after the convention ends. her announcement came after a day of arm twist big leading democrats. conversations with secretary clinton and president obama. donna brazile is tapped as interim through the election, an honor for her though temporary loss for cnn. i spoke to donna just a short time ago about the turmoil threatening to overshadow the days ahead. there was a lot of talk during the republican convention about distractions that took away from the convention. >> right. >> this is a big distraction. >> look, debbie has spent a lot of time, a lot of years not just raising money but also putting together the staff, working day

in and day and night to ensure we had a very successful convention. >> but can the democratic party just say thanks for doing all that but time to go and today is the day? >> i am of the position she made this decision, she decided that for the party and for the country in many ways because she wants to elect the next president of the united states, hillary clinton, that she wanted to be a part of the activities this week. >> should it matter what debbie wasserman schultz wants? isn't the idea for the democratic party to be unified behind secretary clinton? >> and we are. you probably have seen the statement by not just, not only president obama, secretary clinton, but also senator sanders. i took the position early on yesterday to walk into philadelphia to apologize to the sanders team about the distractions that the emails were causing. i apologized for the insensitivity and tone and some harsh and very what i believe to

be toxic words that came from some of the staffers. >> you came up in the end an email you were asked by a "the washington post" reporter to comment. >> yes. >> on tensions between the dnc and the sanders campaign regarding the platform committee and other issues. you forwarded that email to somebody at the dnc saying you're not going to touch this because if you did, you would -- >> cuss them out. >> you would cuss out the sanders camp. >> let me just tell you i also sent that email to the sanders camp i'm going to cuss you all out, my parents are deceased but please forgive me. >> you told the sanders camp that? >> it is my policy whatever emails you'll probably see my emails, if anderson cooper said i want you on tv tonight to talk about the sanders camp, i say why is anderson calling me, what are you doing? i like to give the best information and yes. >> not only did you send that email to the dnc and also to the sappeders camp? >> yes, when i get something

about the hillary camp i send it to hillary people out. sometimes you say i'm going to cuss you all out. that's' friendly way to say i love you. that's my way of saying i love you. >> it was suggested to jake tapper that russia is behind experts said russia is behind the hacks and perhaps leaking them to wikileaks in order to in effect not only affect the convention but the election. do you believe that? >> the general counsel or campaign is going to brief me on all of the forensic evidence that was found and hopefully i have a better answer, but from what i've heard, i have not received a full briefing. there is some degree of culpability by russian hackers, and initially everyone thought they were just stealing all of the research information pour tending to donald trump. now we find out they were stirring up a bit more.

the reason why i don't want to throw anybody under the bus. i want the full picture and say everything up until this point. i read a lot of the news but haven't investigated. >> if it is russia with links to the russian government, what does that mean to you? what happens then? >> there's no question. i want a full briefing and i want to learn what is behind all of this. because more emails are coming. this is just a first of probably many thousands of emails. they went in and stole the entire email data base of the staff, and i want to know how much information was removed or stolen, because really, we have a lot of intellectual property and we want to protect it. >> do you know what else is in those emails that may be coming out? >> well all i know, based on receiving emails on a daily basis from my friends at the dnc, yeah, probably information. if any emails are leaked. this is a cautionary tale to everybody.

hello, good-bye, that's it. stop emailing, pick up the phone. i don't know the substance but i do know there are lots of stuff that we might have to apologize for and that's why i say you got to own it, take full responsibility and work with the staff to create a different culture at the dnc but i'm not throwing anybody under the bus until i get the information. >> donna brazile, exclusive interview earlier this evening before we went on air. coming up donald trump and mike pence do campaigning during the democratic convention. trump says he's expanding his muslim ban and defending the founder of fox news who resigned in a sexual harassment scandal. the latest from the republican side, next. guess what i just did? built a sandcastle? ha, no, i switched to geico and got more. more? 24/7 access online, on the phone or with the geico app. that is more. go get some mud...

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>> i don't think so. >> reporter: donald trump now going the opposite direction of his advisers who suggested he's pulling back on his proposed muslim immigration ban. >> in fact you could say it's an expansion. i'm looking now at territories. people so upset when i use the word muslim. you can't use the word muslim. remember this and i'm okay with that because i'm talking territory instead of muslim. >> reporter: trump's campaign hasn't specified which territories he would ban but the new york balance nair sunday suggested u.s. allies, including france, may fall under its definition. would this limit immigration from france? >> what they have is called -- >> they've been compromised by terrorists. >> it's their own fault. they allowed people to come in their territory. >> reporter: also weighing in on the resignation of roger ailes. >> it's very sad, because he's a very good person. i've always found him to be just a very, very good person, and by the way, a very, very talented person. look what he's done. so i feel very badly.

>> reporter: all as republicans made clear they have no plans to see cede this week to clinton clinton and the democratic national convention. trump and his running mate mike pence holding rallies and events in battleground states like north carolina, florida, and virginia, which, not so coincidentally is home to clinton's newly minted running mate tim kaine. >> he's bought and owned by the banks. he's in favor of tpp and every other trade deal he's ever looked at and that means he wants people not to work. >> reporter: and in advance of vice president joe biden's prime time speech wednesday, a trump/pence rally 120 miles north of the convention in biden's hometown of scranton, pennsylvania. >> my name is joe biden. and as strange as it sounds, everything important in my life that i learned i learned here in scranton. >> reporter: the goal a coccord to trump advisers is two-fold,

keep clinton from unfettered access to the air waves and target a demographic trump team seized ripe for the taking. >> we're going to get a lot of the bempbie voters by the way. because they didn't treat bernie right. what happened he ran a very, very good campaign, and hillary's people just swamped him. >> phil mattingly joins me now. trump clearly thinks he can get bernie sanders supporters to come his way. what is the actual strategy there? >> you seen a two-fold strategy. the republican national committee jump all over the dnc leak issue, and try to play that up. also attached hillary clinton's vice presidential nominee tim kaine saying he's inofficially liberal. the idea not to get bernie sanders to donald trump but to depress theirleness to get behind clinton and kaine. donald trump taking a different strategy taking to twitter and criticizing bernie sanders calling him weak and a pathetic figure, according to one tweet.

i bounced that off one former sanders staffer. what do you think about this? is this going to help donald trump's cause? he chuckled a little bit and said yeah, not very likely anderson. maybe not the best thought-out strategy so far but clearly they believe there's an opportunity there if not to bring them on board maybe to keep them from getting behind clinton and kaine. >> all right, phil mattingly thanks very much. jeffrey is a trump supporter. a, do you think they can get significant numbers of sanders supporters and is donald trump sort of attacking bernie sanders or saying he's weak and pathetic and stuff, is that really the best way to do it? >> i think they could get something. he was in this business of going to scranton, pennsylvania, is exactly the right thing to do. he's been out there in the southwestern part of pennsylvania, now he's up there in the northeastern part of pennsylvania. these are exactly the places that he should be going. and it's worth noting, when i talk to him, i mentioned this before, when i talked to him a couple years ago about hitting hard in the republican complaint

that their nominees don't fight back, he made it abundantly clear to me, if he did this, it would be no holds barred and this is exactly the kind of thing that republicans want to see from their nominee. >> bill you're a sanders supporter. are you vulnerable? are you going over to trump? >> dream on. there's such a vast difference between the sanders message and the donald trump message. sure there's a strain of economic populism that connected the two campaigns both talking about trade deals. bernie with substantive ideas and positive of the ideas about where to take america and inclusi inclusive, all-embracing america and here is donald trump, preaching nothing but division, disunity, pessimism, you know, angry, racist, ugly attacks. >> oh, my. >> on muslims and latinos. >> no. >> they are going to stand for it, sanders. >> with the pro clinton

superpack do you think there are sanders supporters who go over to trump? >> fewer sanders are open for trump than hillary clinton supporters ready for john mccain campaign in 0008. one poll and i hate to see which one because i can't remember, trump only getting 8% of sanders voters. hillary getting 85% before bernie speaks tomorrow night. it's not for the reasons bill states not open. >> do these emails make the numbers vulnerable? >> i don't think so. sanders voters are going to be driven to hillary first by their dislike for donald trump, and trump going out and attacking bernie only feeds that. second and hillary has to reach out to them and doing her job but i say this all the time. nothing unites a people of earth like a threat from mars and trump is definitely from mars. i can think of another planet he's from my kids would say but i'm too polite a gentleman to say which planet. he's not a guy appealing to

them. keep it up, grandpa twitter, send them out there. it's helping. >> you know it just seems so apparent here that the possibility of collusion between the dnc and the clinton campaign would really upset a lot of bernie voters out there who don't like, with all due respect, don't like hillary, period. and now to see this stuff, i can't wait to see the rest of the emails that come out, because this is going to tip their hand as to what was going on here in these primaries and they're not going to be happy bernie supporters here. >> you got to be for something and donald trump offered these people nothing to be for. he keeps driving them apart. >> i don't think they liked tim kaine either, right? tim kaine wasn't bernie sanders supporters' first choice. so now you have tim kaine, and you have bernie sanders being proven right on the debbie wasserman schultz issue. even with that, i don't know if you guys agree with me but even with that, i don't think they have anywhere to go.

the danger for hillary clinton is they go to gary johnson or they say home. >> look, whatever trump picks up from the sanders support, the little bit helps, i don't think he'll pick up a lot, i think bill is right about that. on the trade message outsider message he has an opportunity. i looked yesterday and i was shared some polling from six states that have key senate races, happened to be key presidential battleground states, nevada, pennsylvania, ohio, north carolina, florida. donald trump is moving and one of the reasons he's moving is because of the security message and some of the data predates his speech at the convention. he was moving before the convention. security issues are driving americans right now and these are key states and the map was moving his way. hillary clinton this is a very important week for her because the race is starting to -- it happens. the pendulum swings around convention times but she better not this whole distraction about debbie wasserman schultz, this is precious time for her. >> they need to get past it. >> much more ahead including why president obama says trump's rhetoric on muslims is playing right into the hands of isis.

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before the break, we heard donald trump talking about expanding his muslim ban, he now says he wants to keep out people from any country that has been compromised by terrorism. he didn't define which companies. president obama said leaders of all kind, religious, business, political, have to send a clear

message we won't be divided by the type of signals isis is sending out. >> if we start engaging in the kinds of proposals that we've heard from mr. trump or some of his surrogates, like mr. gingrich, where we start suggesting that we would apply religious tests to who could come in here, that we are screening muslim people different than others, then we are betraying that very thing that makes america exceptional. i think the kinds of rhetoric that we've heard too often from mr. trump and others is ultimately helping to do soil's work for us. >> and we are back with our panel. you know, it's interesting. one of the things that the trump campaign consistently says about president obama is that he doesn't really have a policy to isis, that he's sort of too

lackadaisical in this, and donald trump for his supporters comes off as being the strong guy, as the one who has a plan, whether it's banning temporarily all muslims, and he's walked that back, but he's saying he's not walking it back but sees if as an extension in some way. >> in every way, trump is the anti-obama. and that's very much the point of his identity. one of the things democrats have to be careful about is that they play into trump's hands if they do come across as too cool, not really getting the anxiety, not really getting the fear that's out there, that donald trump is certainly stoking and playing into, even in president obama's press conference that he had with the leader of mexico, when he was talking about the economy, he tend to like cite data, and i don't know that data is going to be a good rejoinder in terms of the fear and anxiety out there. >> when you hear at the republican convention, that word feel, you heard the word "feel" a lot.

people feel this way. people feel this way, even if the data doesn't back it up, they're responding to the way people are peeling. >> if they're not there, trump is trying to move them there. crisis says you need change. if you don't have a choice, you don't need change. a lot of people beat up his speech. his tone might have been a little brutal at times, but it appears to be working. but also at the beginning he went after president obama before he got to hillary clinton. this is, again, a classic, incumbent versus challenger environment where he's trying to convince people, what we have is not working. it's an interesting approach. >> and this is where hillary clinton's 60 minutes answer could hurt her, when she says she's going to talk to both presidents. if you're going to be a change candidate and you're going to call president obama and your husband, you're not change. you're status quo, aparticularl since obama is considered weak,

calling isis the jv team. >> the clinton campaign has run an ad on this. who do you talk about? myself. i watch the shows. i know more about isis than the generals. so this is a stark contrast. if people don't want someone who might actually talk to people who know what the hell they're doing, they should vote for donald trump. if you see a four-star general, john allen speak at this convention, and he's not particularly impressed with the trump approach. >> one, i hate to say this, but i think it's true. when people are afraid, and with all this violence and crime and acts of terrorism, people are afraid. the person who talks the loudest and the toughest wins the argument. it's not a time where rational thought prevails. number two, you can see here with president obama, this is his most important issue. he's not going to be on the sidelines in this campaign.

he really feels that donald trump would undermine our approach to isis and terrorism, and he doesn't want that to happen. >> what i find really interesting about this, listening to the president say in essence he's antagonizing isis with his rhetoric. this is what neville chamberlain said about winston churchill. if only winston would shut up, we could get a better deal going with adolf hitler. >> but i don't think he's trying to make a deal -- >> he said he was provoking it with his rhetoric, and that's essentially what he's saying here. >> more on the next hour. we'll have the latest on the shakeup. debbie wasserman schultz stepping down but still as of now planning to appear at the convention. we'll be right back. i am rich.

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and good evening from philadelphia where things have been happening all day in the runup to tomorrow's democratic convention and not just getting the hall ready. big things like the woman who was supposed to prey side over the convention on her way out in connection with a leaked e-mail controversy. and the clinton campaign blaming the rusrussians,