and good evening from philadelphia where things have been happening all day in the runup to tomorrow's democratic convention and not just getting the hall ready. big things like the woman who was supposed to prey side over the convention on her way out in connection with a leaked e-mail controversy. and the clinton campaign blaming the rusrussians, and delegates e

getting ready to nominate hillary clinton and make american history. we begin with the e-mail controversy and the dough par tour of democratic national committee chair woman debbie wasserman schultz. the departure of her just not quite yet. wasserman schultz is out kind of sort of, but not until the convention is over. why? >> not until friday technically. but i am told we're not going to see much of her at all. with the exception of a brief appearance of her tomorrow afternoon that is still on. she wants to appear on the stage. we can hear musicians behind my rehearsing. but what happened was a series of behind door meetings of democrats trying to make the case to her that she should step aside. the e-mails were creating discord and a big distraction. i am told by several democrats here in philadelphia and in washington that she was resistant to this.

she wanted to weather this storm. she thought she could weather this storm. by the end of the day, the end of the afternoon, she did something she didn't want to do, step aside, but kind of. she wants to appear tomorrow as sort of a save basing measure, but once she takes that stage, you have to wonder if she's going to be booed by some sanders delegates who frankly don't like her. >> it seems amazing to me that she would be allowed to do that, given all the e-mails that have leaked out and more to come. it seems like yesterday that the ticket was announced. in some ways this is overshadowing the interdugs of the vice presidential nominee. >> no doubt. this was supposed to be a day where the big appearance yesterday of tim kaine and hillary clinton was supposed to be echoing in these calls, resonating with delegates, and there was very little conversation about tim kaine at all. yes, this is inside baseball.

yes, this is something only the really interested in this are talking about. but the reality is, tim kaine's supposed to be introducing himself, and now this cloud is hanging over. and if she actually is booed and does appear phenomenon afternto we'll be talking about it tomorrow as well. >> i talked to donna brazile who's going to take over the dnc on a temporary basis. she says there are more potentially embarrassing e-mails out there. >> and that is the thing that worries the party and the spine of the discussion i'm told. if you don't resign and step aside too, this will continue to go on. because there are most likely more e-mails out there. this hacker who accessed these e-mails certainly has a big trove here. and who knows what else is out there. there's all types of speculation that it could be more embarrassing, more salacious.

so it certainly looks like, without a doubt this is timed exactly for this convention here in philadelphia. and it's the one sort of bit of uncertainty that no one was planning for. certainly not the clinton campaign that has been rolling out this meticulous plan here. now they have something new to contend with, anderson. >> jeff zeleny. thank you. and with us is patty sa lease doyle. gloria borger is back, so are paul bagau la and jeffrey lord. patty, let's start with you. does it make any sense to you that debbie wasserman schultz is still being allowed to speak tomorrow? >> no. i miean, i think if't's a big r for her. if she gets booed at her own party, that's an ad for her

yoept. >> there was so much focus on how the response to the plagiarism on milelanimelania's dragged it out into a multi-day story, isn't that the same thing? allowing her to speak? it's going to be the dominant story. >> i think the dnc and clinton campaign handled this as well as she possibly could have. >> she's still speaking though. >> she's resigning. this is a woman who was a supporter of hillary clinton's in 2008. a strong woman in politics, and i'm always in favor of that. she's an honorable public servant. these e-mails actually gave evidence that she was not impartial. that she was absolutely biased, and so she had to go. what they did today was they were negotiating a decent way for her to go. and this is what they came up with. >> does this make any sense? if you rip a band aid off, you

don't put it on and rip it back off tomorrow. >> my sense is this was a way to ease her out the door. >> why are they negotiating with this person? who cares? i'm not a politician, but who cares who the head of the dnc is and whether they get to speak or not? >> i'm sure they wanted her to go relatively quietly into the night and that's the way to facilitate this. it reminds us the way we began in cleveland with melania was speaking. i think this, too, shall pass, but maybe not as quickly. and what most interests me is this is great drama, but what most interests me is the alleged russian angle. either this is evidence of a foreign power seeking to influence the outcome of an american election, which is troublesome, or it's some of the greatest spin i've ever seen in a presidential campaign. >> i don't think they've put it out there without knowing something. >> that's true. >> this is something, there was a meeting of -- >> are you don't think political

people would put something out there without it being 100% true? really? really? >> what are you talking about? what are you talking about? >> are we in an alternate universe? >> what i think is that on this kind of an issue, where you're really accusing a foreign government of hacking in to the democratic national committee, i think you better have your facts straight. and there were meetings of intelligence officials, d.o.d., department of defense, national security council about this particular potential russian hack. you may have taken it a step too far. if you brielieve it to be true u ought to be able to present the evidence. yes, i believe it is serious. but to your point, anderson, he was trying to change the subject. >> a campaign manager has never been known to say something that's not true. wicky leaks, their response so

pushing a smear that we are russian agents, last time we mossad. get it right. >> i think, let's be clear, i think that there are some operational deficiencies in the democratic party. and the russian operatives or, and i think there was a forensic team that went into it and delved into it and found there were two groups tied to russian defense officials who went in and hacked the dnc. we know that to be true. but with all thanning said, wicky leaks didn't write the e-mails. >> it doesn't excuse that. you have to go in, hold people accountable. people have to be fired, and that's ha happwhat happened, bu can't diskoints this. there are natural ties that show that the russian government's trying to influence the

election. >> donald trump does not use e-mail, it's exactly for reasons like this. >> he uses twitter. >> yeah, but it's all out there in public. he does not use e-mail. they'll photo shop something, scan it. >> i don't understand. i've interviewed debbie wasserman schultz maybe once or twice. we had a contentious interview once. why are people negotiating with her? i don't understand. >> she is worthy of honor and respect. >> i agree. >> number one -- >> if i were fired from cnn, i don't think i would be allowed back on the air to do like do a couple more shows. >> i pay my cable bill. >> there's the emotional reason. she's due some respect for the work she's done. but there's a practical reason. technically, she could force a vote. she works for the democratic national committee. she doesn't. work for the president of the united states. she's not the secretary of the

interior. she works for a political party whose committee technically hires her. she could force a floor vote. she's not going to do it. >> i think if she's going to speak, let's at least hear what she has to say. is it going to be a spabts tomorrow? are all eyes going to be on this speech that's five to seven minutes? probably as soon as they gavel in at 4:00, the middle of happy hour for most americans, is that going to be the case, yes? >> i think that 4:00 hour has now become prime time. >> not happy hour, either. >> but to quote james carville, he said that sometimes in politics you have to know how to take your sword out and how to fall on it. and today debbie fell on that sword. and tomorrow i think she's due to respect to hear what she has to say. >> the response will be the story. she's a good democrat, a fine person. the response will become the story, and we don't need that.

it's like a country song. how can i miss you. >> when someone falls on their sword they don't get up on the stage with a giant sword sticking out of them. >> it's there. let's see the theater. >> they wander off. >> are you not entertained anderson? >> as a reporter, from my standpoint, i sigh it see it as interesting story. >> bernie sanders has not said that she shouldn't speak. bernie sanders has kind of backed away, because he doesn't want to say "i told you so". he's backing off. he's taking the high road. and he is not actually telling his people she shouldn't peek, go out there and booh her. he has no control. >> he's meeting with his delegates, but bernie speaks after debbie wasserman schultz. and it won't be ted cruz. >> maybe more e-mails will be released tomorrow. who knows what the story will

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we've been talking tonight about hillary clinton's choice of tim kaine for her running mate, some criticism that she's playing it safe but snubbing the bernie sanders voters. she appeared on is "60 minutes." >> senator, are you ready to be president of the united states? >> i think i'm ready to lead. i'm ready, first, to be a supportive vice president so that the presidency of hillary clinton is a fantastic one. but, if something were to put that in my path, as much as any human being would be ready, i'd be ready. and you've got to approach it with humility.

i haven't missed a rung on the ladder, and if it were to come that way, i could do it. >> senator, in a sense, we're introducing you to 49 states. what hardship has formed your character? >> in my public life, i've had some suffering. i was elected city councilman in 1994. in richmond, we have the second highest homicide rate in the united states. i went to too many funerals. and i got to be governor in the worse day of my life, was the murder of the 32 beautiful young kids and these professors at virginia tech. >> senator kaine with secretary clinton on "60 minutes". and can you argue whether he is the safe pick, but for some voters, it's more basic than

that, who is tim kaine? >> my friend, senator tim kaine! >> reporter: her smile said it all as she introduced her new partner. hillary clinton deciding to go with the steady hand over star power in selecting a running mate. >> a leader who cares more about making a difference than making headlines. >> reporter: virginia senator tim kaine is making his way to the democratic convention, stopping for sunday morning mass in richmond. as he left st. elizabeth catholic church he spoke to supporters. >> we needed some prayers today, and we got some prayers, and we got some support, and it really feels good. >> reporter: after his whirlwind announce nnts in florida he was welcomed home by supporters in virginia. >> i just many so grateful to hillary clinton for asking me to join her on this amazing journey. and what a great public servant and a great woman, and she's going to be a fantastic

president. >> reporter: and kaine's role above all is turning her candidacy into a presidency. >> hillary clinton is the direct opposite of donald trump! >> reporter: he's her val dater. >> she doesn't insult people. she listens to them. what a novel concept, right? she doesn't trash our allies. she respects them. and she'll always have our backs. that is something i am rock solid sure of. >> reporter: and her defender. >> they don't come any tougher or any more compassion nats than hillary clinton. >> reporter: in english and spanish. [ speaking in spanish ] he learned spanish during a stint as a jesuit missionary in hod honduras. >> i helped teenagers with the basics in carpentry, and they taught me spanish. >> reporter: it's a key part of

winning over a diverse coalition of voters, essential to the clinton campaign's plans for beating donald trump. >> let's elect hillary clinton the 45th president of the united states. >> reporter: some liberal democrats were less than pleased with kaine. >> the selection of kaine will make defeating donald trump that much more difficult. >> reporter: but bernie sanders did not rush to criticize him. >> trust me, on his worst, worst, worst, worst day, tim kaine is 100 times better than donald trump will ever be. >> as you mentioned. some democrats don't believe he is liberal enough. how do you think he will be received at the convention? >> there >> there's no doubt some believe that, but the reality is, if you look at tim kaine's record, he is an old-fashioned liberal, a social justice liberal. so i think by and large the democrats i've talked to from delegations across the country are supportive of him and thought he did well yesterday.

but bernie sanders there, basically giving him the validation, saying it's better than donald trump. i think he'll be well received here. but there are still pockets of liberals who have questions on his trade record and other things, and i have no doubt that we'll hear some of that. these party conventions are the time to air some grievances before they finally come together. anderson? >> jeff zeleny, back with the panel. i think last sunday we were looking at the "60 minutes" interview that donald trump did with governor pence and analyzing how they interacted and whether they were comfortable with each other. what do you make of senator kaine and hillary clinton? >> i think he wethey were hugel comfortable. they've known each other longer than trump and pence have known each other. he defends her in a way that makes her so happy. you see her beaming.

during the trump announcement, pence went off stage, he didn't stand on the camera, and i think he's kind of the happy warrior, very much a values candidate. and, you know, people talk about, you know, career politicians. there is something called public service, also. and to me, when you look at his record and what he's done, starting from being a missionary in honduras, but in every rung of the ladder, he has been a public ser vafbts, whether, you know, he worked for 17 years defending civil rights cases. so i think, and the speaking of spanish, this helps hillary, but i think he's a really good balance for her. >> what do you think? you were pretty, before tim kaine was named you thought there should be a person of color on the ticket. >> undoubtedly. i was one of the more critical voices as the selection process went through. but i, and i was a wholehearted, full-fledged supporter of thomas

perez. ily lthink i is a great indivi and would be an asset on the ticket. but that does not discount the fact that tim kaine has been a social justice advocate for not just african-americans going back to when he filed a lawsuit against nationwide for housing discrimination, but also immigrants. and one of the most amazing things about him, we attempt to patronize and say oh, my god, he is speaking spanish. but that's not it. he was the only united states senator or the first united states senator in the history of the united states senate to go to the well and speak a complete speech in of spanish supporting the gang of eight bill. i have a low bar which i probably shouldn't have. but you had to be able to give a speech somewhere, but he knocked it out the park. the only thing he did was set the bar really high for wednesday. >> you know her very well, does

she seem different to you? in interviews i've done with her, she is obviously on guard, did she 150seem more comfortablo you? >> i'm pretty good at reading her body language. without question, she likes this guy. she really likes this guy. she's relieved, like she finally has a partner, somebody who can take the load off a little bit. you answer that question. why don't you go up and campaign in florida while i go to virginia. i think she's excited to actually have a partner in thissen dethis end endever. >> i know dprumt will have it things to say about the gifts that he received. but following up what patti said, i think i was selected not just because of the resume, but he's likeable. to watch him deliver those rye mark -- remarks as he was rolled

out, this is the beer test. and that's the one of the reasons he's on the ticket. >> this notion of complimenting her. hillary's been very famous for a long time. she wafbtss somebody who's got her back. compare that with trump. if they could have allowed it, he would have had a hand mirror. he hated mike pence being on stage, even though i chose him. so i think that alchemy, that chemistry between the two of them, it also doubles down on what hillary is, and that is a grown-up. she's serious. this is a solid man for a serious job. >> i would say that she is cautious. i think she is an instinctively cautious person. i think this has been her law, her flaw eight years ago when she ran. she doesn't like to get too far out there. so there was not going to be an elizabeth warren, somebody of

that nature, which is exactly as our van jones described. >> is cautiousness a good quality in a president? >> do you want cautious or reckless? it is the option. >> i can remember all the times when ronald reagan said you can't go out and say that, and he went out and said it, and it was a good thing. >> i think trump picked a governing partner also. hillary clinton picked a governing partner, and donald trump did not go with his gut and i picked a governing partner. >> on this campaign trail, i think you have to look at this as teams. hillary clinton doesn't necessarily need an attack dog, somebody who's going to be a great orater. she has barack obama and michelle obama. this tim kaine story is cool, because it shows in politics,

like decent people do rise. tim kaine's, i'm friend of lindsey graham. and lindsey graham had good things to say about tim kaine. jeff flake had good things to say about tim kaine. i think we can all say, sometimes good guys win. >> it's deliberative but also brave, taking on tough fights. i saw hillary clinton, we all did, take on the entire health care industry, 20 years ago and lose. she has the scars to show for it. the home of the nra, he took them on in the wake of the virginia shooting. he's from a tobacco state, a coal-producing state. he stands up to coal for global warming. he's a very deliberative guy but not afraid of anybody. >> hillary clinton also knows what happens in a white house when things don't go so well between the president and vice president. it going a little off track, right, paul? and she wanted to make sure that she got somebody she could trust

would have her back, and that's, she knows how important that is. >> the trump campaign is going after him saying he's ethically challenged, the gifts. >> $160,000 worth of gifts, but they were lawful. >> but that's not going to matter, right? >> but they a re lax reporting system, and there have been other problems with other elected officials. supreme court just reversed a case involving the former governor, but it plays right in to trump's hands ago he will say this is part and parcel of a rigged system. and the debbie wasserman schultz, he's got of fodder for this week. >> the make or break states crucial for this election. which can they afford to lose. john king breaks it down for us coming up.

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well, the democratic convention begins tomorrow right here in philadelphia. both parties choosing crucial swing states as the backdrops for their gathering. secretary clinton introduced kaine at a rally in florida. polls have tightened in a number of these key battle grounds where a win or loss could cost either nominee the white house. john, ohio governor john kasich

tweeted saying trump can't win his state, a must-win for trump. but trump says it has momentum in ohio and other swing states. >> governor kasich knows his state very well, but right now team trump is right. these are polls conducted before the republican convention. even then, a tie in florida, a tie in ohio. kasich says trump can win. nevada tied. anderson, since we talked last hour, i am told in most of these states, in florida, virginia, ohio, pennsylvania and nevada, i've seen some polling conducted in the senate campaigns that also has the presidential question and donald trump has moved in all of these states. so some of that's to be expected. he just had his convention, there's a bit of a republican bounce. but make no mistake about it, as hillary clinton begins her convention, donald trump is very competitive.

>> let's talk about the electoral votes needed for victory. at the moment, who has the easiest path to 270? >> no doubt secretary clinton does. even though this is a very competitive race. the democrats have won the last two races. we give secretary clinton 236. the dark blue are solid democrat, donald trump 191. so she's at 236. you talked about tim kaine. if nothing else changed on this map and hillary clinton won virginia and florida, game over. so it's much easier. it's not easy for anybody. but she has the easier path. she's got a lead in the electoral college right now, there are other options, pennsylvania's usually a blue state. iowa's a swing state. >> what's trump's best path? >> let's go back to this map.

let me switch this back and come back to our battle ground map. trump's best bet is to win florida. the democrats are going to go heavy there. if democrats can fake thattake from donald trump, his path gets complicated. obama won it in wait. trump can do that. he has to win ohio and prove kasich wrong. trump thinks it's pennsylvania. you have jeffrey lord with you, george w. bush tried twice for this one. if trump can make that one red, get that plus florida, north carolina and ohio, then donald trump's the next president. that is not an easy lift. if he can't get florida. if the democrats can hold florida, then trump's math gets very difficult. trump would have to get the state of pennsylvania and swing michigan. even that will leave him short. you're looking, does he get

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as you know, tomorrow the democratic convention begins here in the city where the constitution and the declaration of independence were adopted. her path has been a mixed momentum, tom foreman looks back. >> that is why i am running for president of the united states. >> reporter: there was never really any doubt that clinton would run, that the democratic establishment would back her or that she had learned lessons about connecting with voters. >> because it's your time, and i hope you'll join me on this journey. >> reporter: in many ways, her journey to this race started it's years ago. >> although we weren't able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time, thanks to you, it's got about 18

million cracks in it. >> reporter: her primary loss to barack obama disappointed those who thought she'd be the first female nominee for a major party, but she backed president obama and peopled up credentials she has touted in this campaign. >> i am ready on day one. >> reporter: but experience also brought vulnerabilities. she was hammered by republicans over her handling of the benghazi attacks in which four americans died while she was secretary of state. the response in a congressional hearing was turned into a punch line. >> what difference at this point does it make? >> reporter: some voters called her pledge to support women hypocritical, considering her long silence on her husband's behave your. >> you are very rude, and i'm not ever going to call on you. >> reporter: despite it all, clinton's campaign was a juggernaut, raising tens of millions of dollars, staying

relentlessly often message and never plifrnflifrpgsing even ase sanders posed a challenge, hitting her on highly-paid speeches she made to bankers. >> one of us has given speeches to wall street for hundreds of thousands of dollars. i think we should release it and let the american people see what that transcript was. >> reporter: then came something bigger. >> did you wipe the server? >> like, with a cloth or something? >> reporter: she laughed off revelations she used a private e-mail server to conduct state department business, insisting she had done nothing wrong. but after investigating, fbi director james comey shredded her defense. while he would not press charges -- >> there is evidence that they were extremely careless. >> reporter: still clinton has managed to outrun sanders, and for the most part, dodge the controversies, and now she is finally poised to make history, as the woman at the head of a major political party where no

other has stood before. tom foreman, cnn. washington. >> and we are back with the panel. you know, so much of what we heard during the republicans convention which unified them the most was hillary clinton. and i wonder how much you'll hear about donald trump during this convention? >> i suspect you will in the first two nights. it seems that the pattern is you bring the heavy lumber the first two nights. come with the positivity and finish on a positive note. all that we heard is true in terms of her ascendantsy. i think the real stunning story is bernie sanders. dou despite the fact that he came up short. if you said to us a year ago, this is the challenge he would have been able to mount -- >> does bernie sanders tomorrow night focus on donald trump? >> i think he does big time. and he tries to, he's the one perfectly suited individual who

can salph the problems. >> the problem is, she's not well liked. i keep thinking back to july of last summer. there was a quinnipiac poll, and they asked word associations. number one was liar. and number two was dishonest. if that's what, you know, that sort of sentiment that's out there, that is, you think of trick e tricky dick and all of that stuff. that is a hard thing to deal with. >> i think both candidates have very high unfavor. >> i think only one is an extensional threat to the united states, and that's donald trump. i think donald trump painted a picture of an america i don't know last week. and i look forward to democrats

this week talking not about what america was or what it is, but what it can be. and i hope, and i'm sure that bernie sanders is going to hammer donald trump and hit on him. but i hope they add that element of inspiration. i'm fortunate to get an opportunity to speak, and i'm not wasting one line on donald trump. i think there's enough out there that we can teach the country, preach to the country where we think it should go. >> there is a progression. tomorrow senator sanders, you know, he has a huge following in this party. and those people aren't going to just turn on a dime. so you can build a bridge though. and the path is, take a journey with bernie, and that journey with i hate trump and ends requewith i love hillary. if all she does is give 12-point plans, she loses. if she opens up her heart, which

she hates to do, she wins. but it's hard for hillary to do this. and that will be the challenge for her. and it is very important. it is not simply trash trump and have 12-point plans. it is patti and i know her for years and years. if she can show the world that hillary, she can go a long way towards winning this race. >> there's a huge gap between the people who know her, who spent time with her, who have worked with her. and their perception of her. and then the perception of the public of her. and i think what you're going to hear throughout this convention is from people who've known her, who've worked with her, who've been helped by her in some way, who had a beer with her. they're going to testify to her likability and her trustworthiness. and they're going to tell you, you know what? i know her, and i trust her. >> can i make a small point?

maybe it's a good thing we haven't talked about it, but we're going to nominate the country, the democrats are going to nominate a woman for the first time. >> in the history. >> in the history of this country, and we haven't talked about it a lot, because i think we've sort of gone past that. when i've talked to millennial woman, they're like, of course we're going to have a woman president. they don't consider that a strange notion, but it is a historic moment. i think it will be an emotional moment for her in particular. and maybe, to your point, paul, that will get her to open up a little bit about her life and who she is. >> i think it will affect us. i was for hillary in the prime hei airies. when the party of lynching nominates a black man, and nancy please e pelosi called me up and said i was weeping. >> to be introduced by her daughter, which is going to be

so important to her, and so impactful to her. i think you're going to see a lot of emotion. >> i sometimes wonder if she's not the democratic version of mitt romney. i can only tell you, four years ago, there were so many republicans who said you got to vote for him because otherwise, obama will be reelected, and yet, there were a lot of republicans who just refused to show up and vote for mitt romney. and i'm wondering if we're going to have some version of the same situation with democrats saying you got to do it or you'll elect trump and there's not enough enthusiasm. >> can i say in follow up on what gloria said. i remember what it was hilike t take phone calls from african-americans who were looking to shatter that ceiling and leblgts barack obama, and i haven't heard that from millennial woman. they don't single out her gender

as something driving them to the polls. >> it's interesting. on the campaign trail, i would interview young women all the time. and millennial women would just assume that a woman would become president. >> can i throw something out here real quick, something we haven't talked about that hasn't got and lot of play. one of the more important speeches we're going to hear this week, it's not going to be a policy speech, not wonky is from bill clinton. he's going to come out and talk about his wife in a way that we probably have never heard him speak before. so i think that bill clinton is actually going to be the lynch pin to humanizing hillary clinton a lot this week. >> i want to thank everybody on the panel. to gloria's point, wherever you stand this week, it's going to be historic. a 103-year-old voter is excited to cast a ballot for a woman for president. her amazing story next. the earth needed to find a new waytury, to keep up with the data

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that's it for me. thanks for watching. cnn tonight with don lemon starts now. >> it turns out it's democrats who have to worry about convention chaos. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. we're live here in philadelphia. the city of brotherly love. although there's not a lot of love for debbie wasserman shultz. she says she's going to step down at the end of her party's convention. that's in the wake of the leaked e-mails suggesting dnc staffers plotted against bernie sanders. between mile, hillary clinton in her first interview with tim kaine tells 60 minutes this. >> there's the hillary standard and the standard for everybody else. >> what's the hillary standard? >>