welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. we're live in philadelphia on the fourth and final day of the democratic national convention. this is hillary clinton's big

night, her chance to counter the position donald trump offered one week ago in cleveland. the bar could not be higher for secretary clinton's speech. secretary clinton has a number of tough acts to follow. she's the closing argument here on a presentation that began with michelle obama, then bill clinton, and last night featured the anti-trump tag team of president obama and vice president joe biden. >> and the reason he'll lose it is because he's selling the american people short. we're not a faj iragile people, a frightful people. our power doesn't come from self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order as long as we do things his way. we don't look to be ruled. >> he's trying to tell us he cares about the middle class. give me a break. that's a bunch of malarkey.

>> with us to share their reporting and insights, no malarkey here. julie pace of the associated press, ed o'keefe of "washington post," maggie haber none and cnn's jeff zeleny. >> inside the convention hall last night, no mistaking this. they loved it. >> that's why i can say with confidence there has never been a man or a woman, not me, not bill, nobody, more qualified than hillary clinton to serve as president of the united states of america. >> here is the question, as we wait for secretary clinton's speech tonight, what about those watching at home? what about this right there, a picture that will flame the next 100 days, hillary clinton embracing president obama after his call to arms. we all know he is critical to her campaign, and its efforts to turn out the diverse obama coalition. to donald trump and his ad

makers, that is the status quo at a time when they say voters want change. how does hillary clinton thread that needle tonight? essentially the pictures say stay the course. she has to say i'm changed. >> she does. i think obama gave her some openings to do that last night. while he was talking about what he sees as accomplishments of his administration, he was saying very plainly the job is not done. i think that gives her the opening to say she would finish it and perhaps take it in somewhat different directions. i do think, though, she is running no doubt for a third term of this era of democratic politics. that's inevitable. >> i might be proven totally wrong in 12 hours. so with that tas ter risk, i don't think you'll see that much needle threading. the case you heard last night over and over again from democrats and from mike bloomberg was donald trump is too dangerous. you cannot have him -- we're not hearing words we've heard in the past like risky or it's a

gamble. there was really, really overt and in some cases almost over-the-top language about him. i think what you're seeing is they're trying to change the change narrative and every election is about, as david axelrod would say, a remedy or a replica. they're trying to say the choices are so stark, the gamble is so high that you eegt very to stay the same because change represents something different, and i think she has to stick with obama on that. >> let's bring the president into that conversation. you make a key point. the trump campaign says, no, they're a party on power. this is a referendum on her. people have to decide do we want to keep obama, clinton. the clinton campaign with the president's help trying to disqualify donald trump saying simply, the guy is not a president. >> america is already great. america is already strong.

>> fascinated by what we get from secretary clinton tonight. donald trump's speech, people said it was too angry and to dark. it worked. we need a tough leader, a strong leader. from the democrats last night, a lot of smiles, a lot of optimism. sure there are tough times, but everything is okay. don't be so worried. >> he said home grown demagogues will always fail on the end. i was on the floor when he said that. he said that with a sense of optimism. those words are pretty stark if you look at them, and we don't look to be ruled. all this heavy language. he said it with a sense of hopefulne hopefulness. she can't quite be the order he is, we know that. boy, standing on the floor last night, i was not far from the

stage, the look in her eye when she came out was one of gratitude, and it completes the circle. she is with him. there is no separation between the two. that's the gamble they're making. it is her best bet here. she can't -- the change argument, as maggie was saying earlier, it's too dangerous. >> you can run as al gore did with bill clinton, he lost a player on the field. key point, we make this -- we over complicate this sometimes because we have to get our bosses to pay us money. >> candor hour here. >> politics is about arithmetic. the president made the case, he's never been able to do this in a non-presidential year, get his people to come out and vote for someone other than him. he's looking out to the country, to the obama coalition, the diverse electorate that twice gave him huge electoral landslides, president obama saying i need you to do it one more time. >> i see americans of every

party, every background, every faith who believe that we are stronger together, black, white, latino, asian-american, young, old, gay, straight, men, women, folks with disabilities all pledging allegiance under the same proud flag to this big, bold country that we love. that's what i see. that's the america i know. >> a direct counter to donald trump's vision of where america is right now. take the names off the ballot. if the electorate on election day looks like what it looked like in 2012, the democrat wins. >> absolutely. i thought the interesting appeal was the idea that, if you're frustrated by certain things, police involved shootings, climate change, vote yourself down the ballot. a lot of people have suffered from his lack of enthusiasm, lack of campaigning for those people. the fact he's using the last chance for the democrats to say this, i think people in the hall

were thinking, what took you so long? >> he did campaign with people, but his popularity didn't translate. so much different about this, 2010 and 2014 were disastrous for him. he presided over democratic decline in statehouses, state legislatures, state capitols. he's much more involved in this. >> he can make this really personal appeal which you saw at the end of the speech. i think his most powerful lines was carry her the way you did carry me. it did feel like even though he had six months in office, he was handing over the democratic party to hillary clinton last night. >> he more or less said so. >> he did. you can't underestimate the emotion that a lot of democrats have about barack obama and what he represents. >> about 20%, depending what data you read, about 20% of people who don't like him both. who look at donald trump and hillary clinton and say i don't like this choice. part of the president's mission last night was to say, okay,

maybe you don't like her but you've never been in the room with her, i have, trust me. >> for four years i had a front row seat to her intelligence, her judgment and her discipline. i came to realize that her unbelievable work ethic wasn't for praise, it wasn't for attention, that she was in there for everyone who needs a champion. i understood that after all these years, she has never forgotten just who she's fighting for. >> important part of what we saw throughout the night and throughout this convention, character witnesses, saying you think she's cold, you think she's detached. i know he's calling her crooked, but she's actually a nice person who fights. >> we're all reporters at heart

and our editors ask for those juicy in-the-room details. there haven't been many that week. where are the people who worked with her at the children's defense fund. where are the people who worked with her when she was first lady of arkansas, first laid day of the united states. i thought, for example, the lost opportunity was leon panetta's speech, to have him come out and rebuke trump. it fell flat in the lal because the anti-war democrats said the guy who initiated drone wars was on stage so they booed him. i was in the room, i was with her, trust me we can do this. maybe we'll see more of this tonight. >> we've seen more about it about her than from trump. these things don't take place in a vacuum. what i was struck by watching obama last night and to be clear, how this plays in the hall has nothing to do with how it plays on tv. there are a lot of people who,

as you said, who are unhappy with this, both of her choices including the uber driver i had over here in the heat, you have to remember, there's always numbers below the numbers. the negative ratings don't tell the whole story. when obama was running for re-election in 2012, there were a lot of indicators that should have been against him. what was in his favor, and these were really important numbers, how many voters felt like he cared about people like them. >> i'll fight for you, right. >> that is the contrast he is trying to draw. a lot of it is not about just, i like her, she's a good person, a good person at heart. he's trying to draw the contrast with what trump's speech was, i alone can fix this, look at my record and what i can do. trump had the one line i am your voice which was very powerful. obama is trying to counter that by saying she is about you, he is essentially a ruler. >> and also trying to tell the country, yeah, sure, things are tough. don't believe this guy when he

tells you it's horrible. a lot of republicans groaning publicly, you had the flag drop behind the president. american exceptionism which they've always said president obama doesn't represent. it was a trump convention, not a republican convention. >> the person who cut through all that, joe biden. how much are we going to miss joe biden from the public stage when he's standing up there saying it's malarkey. the boy from scranton. they're holding scranton signs in the hall. >> where trump was earlier. >> he's going to say don't believe this guy. we'll see if it works. it's about the people in the middle obviously. biden may be a better validater on that score. >> speaking one quick moment from the floor when they start doing the signature chant of "obama '08." >> yes, we can. not yes she can, yes i can. yes, we can.

>> everybody take a second. we'll talk about hillary clinton's speech tonight. but this is the end. 12 years to the night -- that speech is 12 years to the day after boston where we saw him, still a state senator. this was kind of the closing of a chapter. >> it was really emotional in the room last night, no matter what you think of obama's politics, he's a history making president, and this was the last time we'll see him in this setting as commander-in-chief. >> if she wins, the arc of all that will be -- we haven't seen anything like that. >> we haven't seen anything like what we've seen in the last two weeks. we saw trump's nomination, was a historic moment. it might have represented something different but it was a historic moment. last night you had the country's first black president to handing the baton to the country's first female nominee. these are major, major moments. in terms of your point about biden, the thing i thought biden

did that was effective -- we'll see how effective it is, but it worked last night. biden was the person that tried to make trump the closest to a mitt romney figure h. e's the guy that says "you're fired." i think if he sticks to a line like that, he'll have impact. up next, she's a self-described wonk. donald trump calls her the shouter. the communications challenge for hillary clinton next.

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we're back live in philadelphia. a big day it is. tonight is hillary clinton's night, to celebrate winning the democratic presidential nomination. eight years, of course, after her heartbreaking loss to barack obama and more importantly to frame the choice of the next 100 days. the race is tight. donald trump calls her crooked and rotten. most voters question her honesty. like donald trump, hillary clinton will be introduced by her daughter. >> it is such a disconnect because what you were just saying, what we heard last week in cleveland, that's not the person that i know. that's not the person that i grew up with that i'm so proud to stand beside and to introduce here in philadelphia. >> it's bizarre for me, having first met chelsea clinton when he was governor of arkansas and she was about that high. she will introduce her mother,

try, as ivanka did to donald trump, soften her up a little bit. trying to find the word. >> relatable. >> approachable. >> humble. >> and real, right? i thought ivanka trump did a very good job with her father. that's a hard act to follow. she's a good speaker. she's polished, but maybe not as convincing. you heard bill clinton say this the other night about his wife, there's the cartoon version of her. you heard obama make a reference to that, too. they're basically trying to send the message of, you don't know the real person. it's a little more pointed than we typically hear. we often hear people try to sell relatives or people they know or people that are politicians at political conventions of, here is the person i know. the task is harder here. it's taking police in the middle of this dnc dump while trump took it and took the train in

the other direction by communicating to russia on a television set. the reality is what is in the dnc e-mails is not great and it reminds people of her owners mail scandal. there's controversy around that. this is a challenge. it's hard to say to people, you know, trust this person when you have the director of the fbi not very many weeks ago saying she mishandled something seriously, this is a challenge. >> toon that point, i've been struck talking to democrats this week saying what do you want to hear? they want to hear her acknowledge the scandal a bit. it doesn't have to be explicit about it. they're expecting some kind of a nod, i haven't been perfect. >> she has looked for ways to do it. >> not in a very personal way. >> in this moment when you have tens of million ofs peel tuned in and a lot of them expecting to hear her say something, there's a concern among people i've talked to, if she doesn't. >> i'll be shocked if i hear too much. >> i agree. the other task she has tonight,

this can't just be a soft speech. she also is talking to a country that is feeling anxious, that feels like the economy isn't working for them, and national security feels scarier. she has to do the relatable person bit, but she has to show she's tough and strong. >> and make him erratic. i'm tough but trustworthy, reliable. let's be honest she has incredibly high unfavorable ratings, nearly seven in ten in the past poll, after the republican convention. the president tried to help out a little bit last night by saying one of the reasons she's got some scars and some nicks is because she's been fighting so long. >> hillary has her share of critics. she's been criashing tours by se

of the right and some on the left. accused of everything you can imagine and some things you cannot. she knows that's what happens when you're under a microscope for 40 years. she knows that at times in those 40 years, she's made mistakes, just like i have, just like we all do. that's what happens when we try. >> i'm very interested to see how she deals with this. this was played the other night, i'm fascinated by, this plays huge inside the room. maggie made a key point, ha the room that matters most is inside the home, nopt the convention hall. after the arc of barack obama, the first african-american. how much of this will we get tonight?

♪ >> that was a very powerful moment, whether you like her or not, it is a very historic big moment. 44 guys, 44 guys. the last one african-american. so the question is, do we make history again and how much does she address that? >> she addresses it some. the sheer fact of her being on the stage saying i accept your nomination, that says it all. vacillated, how much to talk about, the historic nature of her candidacy. i'm told and i believe she will give it a nod and address it, but not dwell on it. there is a fine line on that. she knows that. in terms of owning her flaws, i was talking to one of her advisers, i'm with you, maggie, i don't think we'll hear a lot of that. we saw in the 60 minutes interview, the hillary standard.

still sort of a double standard. i do think there will be, maybe more like the president said, listen, i'm not perfect. i'm not the perfect candidate here, but this is a choice. i think she'll pivot to that quickly. owning up in some way, people in the living rooms. >> the thing to watch for most closely which is something you heard obama do that, which you've not heard a lot in his own re-election, there are people, if they don't buy trump's full vision of america, they do feel frustrated. >> that's not her strength. the' motive politician is not one of her politicians. sit night. up next, donald trump's take on the democrats and his changing tune about russia hacking and secretary clinton's missing e-mails.

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you saw the outside. there's the inside. some of the speeches delivered in that hall last night included some edits to take issue with a big controversy stirred up by donald trump. >> he asked the russians to interfere in american politics. think about that. think about that for a moment. donald trump, who wants to be president of the united states, is asking one of our adversaries to engage in hacking or intelligence efforts against the united states of america to affect an election. >> now let's show you the statement at issue. that's leon panetta, the former defense secretary. trump talking yesterday about the hacking and the leak of democratic party e-mails. then he decides to add in the e-mails hillary clinton deleted from her private server.

>> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> now today on fox news, mr. trump took issue with his critics in the clinton campaign. >> you have to be kidding. his client, his person deleted 33,000 e-mails illegally. when i'm being sarcastic. >> were you being sarcastic? >> of course i'm being sarcastic. >> he says he's only being sarcastic. >> it was a joke. >> this is the problem with donald trump's rhetoric if you envision him being president. >> you can move financial markets. >> you can move financial markets. everything you says as president has consequences. you can't be sarcastic and 12 hours later say that.

that's hugely consequential if you imagine him in the oval office. >> everybody at the press conference didn't believe that was sarcasm. it's possible it was straight-faced sarcasm. it didn't play that way in the room. to your point, absolutely, there's an enormity to the weight of the words when you're president. there's also an ongoing theme -- i don't know her deleting the e-mails was illegal. certainly she did delete a lot of e-mails. there are people who are concerned about that. this e-mail controversy is not good for her on the basic facts. we see this pattern with trump over and over where he tries to direct attention to something, he was trying to call attention to the dnc leak and bring it back to her e-mails and he goes off on that side car, and it takes it in a totally different direction. then his campaign spends a lot of time angry at the press that they're covering that. >> they also spent a lot of time cleaning it up. >> both. >> first trump went on twitter saying i meant putin, if he has them, should give them to the

fbi. he was asked repeatedly about russia at that press conference. right after donald trump finished speaking, the campaign put out a statement in the name of governor pence, if it is russia and they're interfering with our elections, i can assure you both parties and the united states government will ensure there are serious consequences. >> you see what pence's role is here, a cleanup in aisle three. we'll lose track of how many times he does it. he also drew attention to this. the clinton campaign is acknowledging there could be national security problem. so not entirely a win for democrats. >> clinton e-mails are a serious issue. he's trying to say his

temperament, ability to be presidential to respect the sovereignty of the united states. he was saying, hey, if you're a foreign actor, you've got o these e ails, let's have them. >> the democrats are trying to divert from the content of those messages which are probably packed with all sorts of things that will embarrass them for the next few months. that was an incredibly effective counter point. >> there's a lot of concern among national security officials. donald trump is about to start getting classified information. his style is so off-the-cuff that you can envision him saying something in the press conference where he leaks out something like that. >> this is an issue, what is mike pence's roll, is he the candidate or -- donald trump has many times said i want to get along with russia and --

>> i have nothing to do with russia. i said putin has much better leadership qualities than obama, but who doesn't know that? >> that's donald trump on vladimir putin. here is mike pence. >> the aggression we've seen from russia in recent years is all evidence of the failed policies of this administration. >> i'm going to take that -- >> leadership -- we'll push back on putin and staupd'd stand up for america's interest in that part of the world, i'll promise you. >> if you're confused at home. one of those is a conservative republican and one of those is donald trump. it's striking the difference between trump does not follow republican orthodoxy on this and many other issues and pence seems to be trying to clean it up all the time. >> the 2012 republican nominee

described yaush as our greatest geopolitical threat n. the last couple months you've had republicans and some democrats who criticized him saying, you know what? he was right. i want to say something in terms of the content of the dnc e-mails. it's absolutely true, there's a fair criticism, if you had a republican official who made a joke about somebody's religion, there would be an enormous outcry. there was an apology made and i think that hit ended the end of it. that is a really, really damning thing in that e-mail. however, it is understandable by people would be concerned that russia is hacking into a democratic party. >> the statement you just made sort of reenforces maybe the smartness of the 20% that don't like them both. people are having a hard time with both of these choices. sit tight. up next, not just about attacking trump. just who are the big speakers here talking to? >> we all should feel the person and we should all not want to get burned by the other guy.

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i wonder. donald trump. donald trump. trump is a guy who promises a lot, but you might have noticed, he's got a way of saying the same two words every time he makes his biggest, hugest promi promises, "believe me." it's going to be great, believe me. we're going to build a wall and make mexico pay for it. believe me. we're going to destroy isis so fast. believe me. >> for many americans that was their introduction to senator tim kaine. he went through his small time upbringing, his dad had an iron shop. worked with his hands. how did he do? >> kaine's speech is one where i'd like a better understanding of what the audience thought. he can't command an arena the

way barack obama or joe biden or bill clinton can. >> skeptics about him in that crowd, don't think he's liberal enough. >> i do think he brings this real folksy augt thenticity tha such a contrast to everybody else. for some people, that can be really appealing. >> i agree with that. i thought of the night's speakers, i actually in the hall anyway, thought he was the least memorable. he certainly made the case, and that is what he was trying to do, but it was a really sort of striking lineup of speakers. he was better i thought in their kickoff event in florida. >> he was better. in miami he seemed more comfortable. he seemed a little alone on that stage. look, we say it a lot. i know you may disagree with me on this. his spanish-speaking, maybe voters don't care about it. but how he effortlessly rolls it into the speech, one didn't roll out the line --

>> don't step on my notebook item. stay tuned. >> in the arena and other times. >> this came up earlier in the show. as much as this is the end of an era for president obama, it's also end of an era from joe biden. he calls himself the crappy kid from scranton. they have problems with the same voters, white guys, blue collar guys, cops, firefighters, union water workers. joe biden trying to speak directly to them last night. >> his cynicism is unbounded. his lack of empathy and compassion can be summed up in a phrase he's most proud of having made famous, "you're fired." this guy doesn't have a clue about the middle class, not a clue. he has no clue about what makes america great. actually he has no clue, period.

folks -- >> he's controversial at times, steps on his tongue from time to time or the tongue gets ahead of the brain. whatever you think of joe biden, he has credibility in a union hall and at a fire station. that could help hillary clinton or not? >> he said this week he's going to be in ohio, pennsylvania and wisconsin. those are the states where she is going to need him to rally some of these folks who are drawn to donald trump but may be skeptical of whether trump can follow through. >> in our increasingly narrow-casted world, when people get their hands on what he said and what bloomberg said, those two messages will be more effective than the president, than tim kaine, even perhaps the first laid different that's the 20% that don't like her or the small sliver of people who are still undecided. those two guys -- >> i don't know about more

effective than the president. the ppt is going to be pretty important for turning out african-americans. >> but they're baked in. i'm talking about the undecided -- >> they might like her -- >> to your point, they each do have a slice. everyone has a slice. last night was about appealing to the different pieces of the electorate they need. you have an independent. he was once a republican, once a democrat i think, too, michael bloomberg, the former mayor of new york city, big on gun control. he made a case against donald trump saying i'm a businessman. the guy who is asking for your vote is a fraud. >> through his career donald trump has left behind a well-documented record of bankruptcies and thousands of lawsuits and angry stockholders and contractors who feel cheated and disillusioned customers who feel they've been ripped off. trump says he wants to run the nation like he's running his business? god help us.

i'm a new yorker and i know a con when i see one. >> it is rare to have an independent get a big prime time spot like that. what was the hope? >> he's literally beholding to no one because he's so wealthy. this was his selling point in new york city. to be clear, he was never really a republican. he was a democrat who borrowed the republican line so he could run for mayor in 2001. he was seen as largely a successful mayor. they were trying to basically sell the message, this is not somebody who has always agreed with hillary clinton. there are policy issues that they defensive verge on. he made a pretty convincing case, i'm not just up there as somebody who is a member of the democratic party. i'm not doing this for loyalty to the dmin tons. what i was struck by in his speech where he said something about the very end, let's vote for a sane, competent person. my jaw dropped. >> essentially saying donald trump is not that.

>> that is something he feels in his gut, in his heart. that these guys go way back. michael bloomberg may have been one of the most important living room speeches. you can bet we'll see that speech again and again, targeting those voters in the middle who may not like either of them. >> interesting to see if his role is one speech. the clinton campaign philosophy is on hands on deck. >> his bank account will be. >> that doesn't hurt. our reporters give a sneak peek into their notebooks including how some sanders supporters might corporate their revolution on their own.

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julie pace? >> you're starting to hear talk among bernie sanders sanders about ways to keep the movement going coming out of the convention. one of the options is creating something akin to organizing america. ofa focused specifically on issue campaigns. they don't go after individual candidates. sanders supporters feel it's their mission not only to push issues, but push people out they feel is part of the political establishment, much more disruptive to the democratic party. >> following up on the espanol of tim kaine, talking to smart democrats yesterday, they say keep an eye on how he's campaigning in english because you'll see some overt appeals, subtle appeals to hispanics, the idea he's a family guy, that he was a missionary in honduras, that he's catholic, all of those things relate. they point out he not only was a

missionary, but a jesuit missionary, well so is copope francis. the idea you have another white politician speaking spanish, we've heard that before, some skepticism about it. they believe as hispanic voters learn about his background, his faith and his work on social justice issues, that that's the kind of thing that will make them realize he'll have our back in the white house if he's the next president. >> have, have, ha. >> va, va, va, florida, fla, flo. >> donald trump i'm told was quite happy with the press conference. it's always important to remember at the end of the day, the trump campaign and how it reacts to thing is about one person. he has many, many advisers. there has been some change since there was a shift in the management structure the last couple weeks. in reality he is still the person running his own campaign. >> without a doubt, important point.

jeff? >> we've heard so much talk over the years, hillary clinton's line, it takes a village. she has a village and she needs it. never before have i seen presidential candidate with so many people around her. former president, her husband, the current president, the vice president, the first lady. she has a huge cavalry here. the question is she stronger together than donald trump is alone? we'll find out. >> a test of traditional campaign metrics. i'll close with this, tomorrow starts a new phase in this campaign, 102-day sprint to election day, not that we're counting. so far the trump campaign is getting help from super pack friends but has not spent one dime on any general election tv adds itself. i'm told that's about to change. trump insiders say the ads will start in the next ten days. change for the better is a theme they're kicking around. the debate now inside is how many states go on the initial target list.

you can be sure florida, ohio, pennsylvania are included. trump aides say there are some surprises under consideration. for example, they say trump is down just four points in oregon. do you make a play or just assume it's a temporary convention bounce and oregon will go back to being blue? decisions next week once the impact of this democratic convention becomes clear. that's it for "inside politics." we hope to see you right here at the same time tomorrow. big day ahead. our coverage continues in just a moment with wolf. bend me shape me, any way you want me

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now you can watch nbc's coverage of the rio olympic games live at home or on the go. hello, i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. in philadelphia. wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us. we're just a few hours away from the gavel opening this, the final day of the democratic national convention. after a week of stars, both political and otherwise, it's down to the final pitch right now for hillary clinton. she'll accept the historic nomination as the first woman to lead a major