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will also be rolling out proposals to increase choice and reduce costs in child care offering much-needed relief to american families. they are suffering. they are suffering. we're going to get them. there's much needed relief. i will unveil my plan on this in the coming weeks which i've been working on with my daughter ivanka, who's here -- stand up. [ applause ] she feels so strongly about this. and an incredible team of experts. likewise, our education reforms will help parents send their kids to a school of their choice.
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it will be so good for detroit. we will also give our police and law enforcement the funds and support they need to restore law & order to this country. law & order. [ applause ] thank you. thank you. without security, there can be no prosperity. without security, there can be no prosperity. we must have law & order.
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we must have law & order. and by the way, our police in this country are really unrecognized for the incredible job they do. thank you. in the coming days, we'll be rolling out plans on all of these items. one of my first acts as president will be to repeal and replace disastrous obamacare, saving another 2 million american jobs. we will also rebuild our
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military and get our allies to repay their fair share for the protection we provide to them saving them countless more billions of dollars to invest in our own country. we also have a plan on our website for complete reform of the veterans administration. this is something so desperately needed to make sure our vets are fully supported and get the care they deserve, which they have not been getting, not even close. detroit, the motor city, will come roaring back.
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roaring back. we will offer a new future, not the same old failed policies of the past. our party has chosen you to make new history by selecting a nominee from the outside and that's outside of the very, very already proven rigged system. the other party has reached backwards into the past to choose a nominee from yesterday who only offers the rhetoric of yet and the policies of yesterday. just take a look at what happened to new york state manufacturing and take a look at her promises before this happened. a disaster. there will be no change under hillary clinton. only four more years of weakness
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and president obama. but we are going to look boldly into the future. we will build the next generation of roads, bridges, railways, tunnels, seaports and airports. that, believe me folks, is what our country deserves. [ applause ] american cars, american cars will travel the roads. american planes will connect our cities and american ships will patrol the seas. american steel -- steel -- american steel will send new skyscrapers soaring all over our country. we will put new american metal
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into the spine of this nation. it will be american hands that rebuild this country and it will be american energy, mined from american sources that powers this country. it will be american workers who are hired to do the job. american workers. americanism, not globalism, will be our new credo. our country will reach amazing new heights, maybe heights never obtained before. all we have to do is stop relying on the tired voices of
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the past. we can fix a rigged system by relying on the people -- and just remember this. it's so important. we are reliant on team that rig the system in the past. we can't fix it if we're going to rely on those people again. we can't solve that problem. so we can't solve our problems if we're going to just go back and rely on these politicians because that's what we've been doing. only by changing will we get new and great results. we need -- thank you. we need to stop believing in politicians and start believing in our great country.
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before everything great that has happened, the doubters have always said it couldn't be done. they say it right now, it couldn't be done. they actually said it when i ran for political office. it's not going to happen. he's never done it before. it happened. america is ready to prove the doubters wrong. they want to you think small. i am asking you to think big. we are ready to dream great things for our country once again. we are ready to show the world that america is back, bigger and better and stronger than ever before. thank you very much, god bless you. thank you. thank you. thank you very much.
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thank you. thank you very much. >> so there he is, donald trump, the republican presidential nominee wrapping up his speech very carefully drafted speech. he spoke for almost an hour, about 55 minutes by our count. the detroit economic club. went into the most specific details so far in his campaign on his economic policy talking about tax reform, lowering the top interest rate, for example, from earning 39% to 33%, regulation reform, eliminating a lot of regulations. he says that would create jobs. trade reform, getting rid of nafta, for example, the north american free trade agreement. he talked about the war on coal and other specific issues. he was also interrupted more than a dozen times by some hecklers, some protesters. gloria borger is our chief political analyst. to those of us who follow house republican economic policy, there seem to be a similar tone,
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shall we say. >> yeah, we were talking amongst ourselves and wondering whether he was channelling, i should say, the house speaker paul ryan. except in a couple of important ways, wolf. it's a standard republican orthodoxy. lots of republicans are for the tpp and don't want to renegotiate our trade deals, et cetera. so i think that is one of the big areas. the other big area is, of course, deficit reduction which we hear paul ryan talk about an awful lot, that kind of thing. donald trump was talking about lowering your taxes. that cost a lot of money and we're not quite sure how you would make up for the revenue loss. >> it would keep with "the washington post." what was your reading on this speech? very carefully scripted speech.
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he was reading it from a teleprompter, which he often doesn't do. >> this would help quell the concerns of certainly many republican lawmakers out there campaigning right now on the ryan plan that they can now say we're 80% of the way there when it comes to the economy. there was a discussion of minimum wage and family leave. a tip of the hat to a proposal to make all child care expenses or most of them tax deductible. that's clearly an appeal to working women, especially who is he suffering with, if you look at recent polling. but clearly he's sticking to his countries. >> that's partly because the room was larger than normal. those speeches often given by republican presidential candidates, this looked more like a speech to a room full of chairs. >> and a few hecklers there as
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well. we'll get to that in a while. but the specifics -- there was no discussion, as you point out, about what was called entitlement reform. he wants to keep social security and medicare just as it is. >> just a couple points. one, finally donald trump is talking specifics. i mean, this really has been a campaign that has lacked policy detail. so, you know, thank god we're getting some detail finally. i think this speech was sort of a coming together of these two wings of the republican party that have been at odds for a year. not a full coming together. they are not on the same agenda yet but he basically scrapped the tax rates he proposed in his last tax policy speech and adopted the tax formula of paul ryan. very, very similar on energy reform and regulations but critically as gloria points out,
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no discussion about social security and medicare. it will be interesting to see how they react. and the new policy here, that i think the trump campaign really was excited to talk about, is this child care deduction. we don't know the details yet. remember, it's a deduction, not a tax credit. 40% or something of americans don't pay federal income tax. so for some people, if you don't pay federal income tax, you don't get the deduction. it will be important to see what the details on that are. >> and thank his daughter ivanka for that concept. >> and he said the average child care cost, which is $12,000, which is a big deduction if that ends up being. i think they would argue, don't worry, when he's president, we'll have more influence over him, this is an encouraging sign from that wing of the party. >> earlier in this campaign he spoke of eliminating the seven current tax brackets going down
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to 10%, 25%. today he said he has different numbers. 12%, 25% and the highest tax rate would be 33%. that represents a shift from some of his earlier positions on this very sensitive issue. >> it does. but the speech was -- for all that he was coming close to the house republicans, it was self-contradi self-contradictory. he is giving a huge tax cut to the wealthiest families. his 15% tax rate on being in, for instance, he said that would be for small businesses. most are pass throughs like small law are firms that tend to make a lot of money. again, there's not that much detail still to look at here. for instance, on the child care proposal, the way that it sounds like it's structured, that would be huge tax cuts. >> he had a lot more to say
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about that in the coming weeks. >> absolutely. >> one thing that i would say, which is politically dangerous, he wants a full repeal of the tax -- >> look, if you were donald trump, he's worth $3 billion, this is going to be criticized by democrats as a huge boom to his children. >> he hasn't released his tax returns. >> he's very wealthy. >> the interesting thing that this raises, of course, is the more donald trump starts talking about your tax rates and how he's going to save you on your taxes and how the wealthy are going to pay some more and the middle class is going to pay some less, the question can then be turned around and i think it will take a nano second right now for the clinton campaign to do it, which is, what have you paid? where are your taxes? why can't we be talking about that if you're prescribing what ought to be done for the rest of america, let's see how you did in this current environment. >> it's fair to say that given
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where he is last friday, john mccain, kelly ayotte, this is a natural follow-through in his effort first to try to unite the republican party as much as possible. >> and this endorsement will matter more to paul ryan than the endorsement in the primary race that he faces tomorrow. he has said for more than a year now, i will be speaker, leader of this party but i'm going to focus on conservative orthodoxy. again, absent the trade policy, one other thing he didn't talk about that he suggested last week was the idea of a massive infrastructure spending program. that causes tea party lawmakers to go white in the face and keel over. today, it will be a victory for sure. >> he didn't talk about deficit reduction because if you're proposing a massive increase in infrastructure spending, if you're proposing a big, big tax cut the way he is, balancing the
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books and cutting the deficits, eliminating it in eight years as he previously promised would be impossible. >> you need to have the revenue numbers here and you need to have the numbers, as you know better than we do. >> there's no way that this adds up. it just doesn't. it's impossible. >> the economy is going to be growing at such big numbers that it will bring more taxes in automatically. instead of 1 or 2% growth, if he has his way, it will be bigger than that. >> when you don't have the numbers there, you say, well, the economy will grow at such an accelerated rate that it will take care of the difference. everybody, stick around. much more to assess. trump's economic speech -- and you just heard it live here on cnn, it was interrupted more than a dozen times by
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protesters. jason carroll is inside that auditorium there. he was interrupted more than a dozen times. most the protesters were women. there was at least one man that i saw protesting. donald trump kept his cool, didn't say much, didn't say kick him out, get him out as he usually says at his rallies of protesters. what do we know about these group of protesters clearly timing their protesters throughout that nearly one-hour speech? >> reporter: right. at the very beginning, they came every few minutes, spacing between four minutes and another five minutes after that. 13 women, one man, 14 total i
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think we counted there. the last man escorted out just before trump's speech ended, we were able to make out, he was shouting trump has small hands, trump has small hands. they were shouting about a number of different issues, some shouting about immigration issues. but what was interesting is trump, as you say, did stay right on message. he did not let it bother him. at one point actually making a joke about it saying that they are really well-spaced out and then saying that bernie sanders protesters had more energy and vitality. at the end of the day, this was a speech that was well-received by the economic club here at the conclusion of donald trump's speech, he took to the stage and apologized to donald trump and said that they are going to get to the bottom of how these protesters got inside. once again, this was a speech that was well-received by the folks here in the room and felt as if it was upbeat.
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and we're ready to show that america is back and better and stronger than before and that resonated with the crowd here. he talked about hillary clinton and said that she's the candidate of the past, we are the campaign of the future. a message well-received here. wolf? >> jason carroll in detroit for us, jason, stand by. we're going to continue to stay on top of the breaking news. donald trump has just delivered his more detailed economic plan so far. a lot to assess. we'll be right back.
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out in the most specific details so far in his campaign his economic plan for america. i want to talk over the trump plan with one of its architects, the senior economic advisory and also served as deputy assistant treasury secretary under president ronald reagan and george h.w. bush. thanks very much for joining us. >> hi, wolf. good to be on. >> donald trump wants to undertake a huge tax cut for almost everyone. the largest in decades, lowering taxes for rich and the middle income. this is what economists are going to be asking. who is going to pay for that? that's automatically going to increase the deficit. right. especially it's a tax cut for businesses. they are going to be investing more. so this is the biggest tax cut since the reagan tax cut. i worked on the reagan tax cut that went in in 1986 and the way
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it works is you get a lot more growth in the economy and over time it helps the economy grow and produce a lot more revenue. by ten years after the reagan tax cut, the budget was balanced. so it's very hard in advance. you know, you're going to hear a lot of talking heads say, oh, the numbers don't add up but i think you should ask them what growth rate are you assuming from this plan? i know there was an analysis out a month or two ago which said it would be a big deficit increase but they were only assuming a 3% growth rate from the plan. it's going to be more. and that's where some of the benefits come. >> what is the growth rate that you're projecting under donald trump's economic plan? >> well, i think there's no reason the economy can't be growing 4% now and with a surge -- remember, after the reagan tax cuts, there were surges in the economy to 8%.
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the average was much higher. we've been running an economy now for seven years that averaged only 2% growth. and so that makes all of the data look worse. the participation rate is worse, people just are getting left out of the economy. so the whole purpose of this is to unleash the economy. >> the whole notion, though, of the tax rates, at one point he said the highest tax rate should be 25%. now he says it should be 33%. the existing tax rate is a little bit more than 39%. why did he decide to increase that upper level tax rate from 25% to 33%? >> yeah. you know, this is going to go through congress. recognize that. there's going to be a lot of steps in actually achieving tax reform. this is to an extent unifying part of the plan. you know, the house republicans have a plan that's for 43% and
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so there is some concept there that you want to work with, a big party that's united. and i think the speech did very well in that. there was a lot of clapping in the room and it was a unifying kind of a speech. >> he did not mention any changes at all to medicare or social security. does he still stand by his stance that there should be no changes in medicare or social security? >> yes. and i think that's a very reasonable going in -- a very reasonable position to take. the government is really out of control in spending in almost all areas. and so why would you want to go in to the programs that protect the elderly and cut them first when you really haven't done a full review of the budget? so it seems to me that what we should be focusing on right now is getting the economy going and getting a lot more people
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participating in the labor force and getting jobs, getting wages to go up. and that's the focus of this speech. >> he clearly disagrees with paul ryan, the speaker, when it comes to entitlement reform. right? >> right. and so donald trump wants the federal government to have really strong finances. but this isn't the -- there doesn't have to be cuts in the entitlements in order to get there. what there has to be under any scenario that you're going to make the finances stronger, you have to have a lot of growth and that should be the first priority, the highest priority and it's a big contrast with mrs. clinton. she's really wanted to make it clear that she's going to continue the programs that president obama has done and that's left us with an average growth rate of 2% over the last year, 1.2%.
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it's a failed program. >> what about the minimum wage? at one point he didn't want to raise it and another point said maybe $10. where does he stand nationally on the minimum wage? >> you know, that wasn't addressed in this speech and there's going to be more parts of the economic program going forward. but the clear priority is to have wages go up for all workers and, very importantly, is to bring more workers and minority and youth into the labor force. a critical problem in the economy right now is they are getting left out and that's so divisive for the country and so the best way to get us going forward is to have a really vibrant business community that wants to hire new workers, workers that may not have the greatest skills but can improve their skills. that's what we want to achieve. >> why didn't he mention anything about the minimum wage in this very detailed nearly one-hour speech? >> no, but that's not the
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priority and i want to -- and so the priority of the speech is to unleash the economy and so that's not the focus of the policy question right now. the focus of the policy is to get wages going up in a market system. >> david is a senior economic adviser to donald trump. david, thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. the democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton will lay out her economic plan in detroit on thursday. it's expected to -- that plan will give more specific details on how her policies, from her perspective, will strengthen the overall u.s. economy. i'm joined by chief economist mark zandi. mark, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. >> what's your biggest criticism of the lengthy plan that donald trump just released?
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>> well, there's some stuff in it that i like and don't like. you know, i do think -- i'm sympathetic to the idea that if you lower marginal rates on businesses, individuals, you get more saving, all good but you have to pay for it. maybe we get a lot more growth. maybe. you about i don't think that's prudent to count on it. what i would do is say, okay, let's have a plan that is deficit neutral, in a static sense, not counting on growth. and if we get the extra growth, great, and then we can have more tax cuts. otherwise, the literature is pretty mixed, if you're wrong and don't get the growth you expect, we end up with very large deficit and debt and we can't afford that. it's not prudent to go down a path that we're unsure of. >> what if you get 4% growth as
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suggested, they think their plan will result in 4% growth. will that eliminate more deficit, more national debt? >> on a sustained basis, you can get that for a quarter or a year but if you get that on a sustained basis, fantastic. and that does allow for more options for fiscal policy. you can do a lot of things with that. you can cut tax rates more and have spending on infrastructure, you know, all of the kind of things that we want to do. so bring it on. but i don't think i center a plan around the idea that you're going to get 4%. that's something that we'll have to see. i wouldn't expect that you'd get it. so, you know, i don't think that's the prudent way to go. >> what do you think of his proposal to lower the top income tax bracket from 39 plus percent down to 33%? >> well, again, can we pay for it? you know, and if we don't pay
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for it, you know, through extra growth, then what are we going to cut? what is it that you have in mind? what kind of spending would you cut from your budget to make all of the arithmetic work? if you're not going to address entitlements and medicare, medicaid, social security, the parts of the budget growing more quickly, exactly what would you do? the arithmetic here is very important. that's key for people like me, economists that actually sit down, look at the numbers, go through it in careful detail and see what the implications are. so we need that information and that detail and until we get it, then it's really hard to know. >> like a lot of republicans, he wants to eliminate the estate tax, what he calls the death tax. is that a good idea? >> you know, i don't think that's a growth engine. no. that's more about who pays the tax? high-income net worth households? if you don't have an estate tax,
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they pay less in tax. it's more about the incidents of the tax, who is paying for it. it has much less to say about economic growth. that's not going to get you much juice in the economy, no. >> he was very critical on a whole host of issues, including this. let me play a clip, he criticized her record when she was a senator from new york. >> data shows that upstate actually lost jobs. a lot of them -- during clinton's first term. in other words, she was all talk, no action, upstate new york, the disaster. it's a disaster. what's happened to upstate new york. and nafta, which her husband signed, is a very, very big reason. >> so he keeps talking about nafta, the north american free trade agreement which bill clinton signed into law which has been a disaster for the united states. has it been a disaster for the u.s.? >> no.
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no. i think it's been a significant net positive for the u.s. economy. now, there are winners, big winners and there are losers, big losers in places like upstate new york and they may have suffered as part of nafta. i haven't done the research but it's plausible. on net, when you add up who wins, who loses and add it all together, the u.s. economy is in a meaningful better place today 23 years after nafta was signed than otherwise. and i think that trade in general, you know, smart trade, good trade deals are a significant plus with the u.s. economy. it makes our economy grow, makes our economy tick. it's to our comparative narrative and increasingly going forward, because the rest of the word, the chinas, the mexicos, they have deep middle classes that have grown out because of the trade we've engaged with them and now they are buying the
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kinds of things that we produce. going forward, if we step back from trade, it would be dark irony. we are benefiting across the board from our trade relationships with the rest of the world. that, in my view, is a mistake. that doesn't matter in any given year, it's not a big deal the next year or the year after but when you look back at a generation or two, if we step back from trade in a meaningful way, our economy will be significantly diminished. >> mark zandi, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. we'll be right back.
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sweeping reforms from reducing taxes to rewriting international trade deals but how feasible are some of his proposals? cnn money correspondent christina lecristina alesci is joining us. what did you find? >> trump attacked a point he's made many times before. something he argues is holding businesses back and costing the country jobs. listen. >> the united states also has the highest business tax rate among the major industrialized nations of the world. at 35%. it's almost 40% --
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[ applause ] it's almost 40% when you add in taxes at the state level. >> those are big numbers and they are pretty much correct. the federal rate is 35% and the state and local rates are around 6%. so he's on the money there with his math but here's the catch, companies don't generally pay that. thanks to offshore tax havens, in 2010, the government accountability office found they actually paid about 12.6%. two-thirds of american corporations had no federal tax liability. so in terms of what is actually paid, the u.s. is not at the top level but they are 16th highest. now, maybe that's too high, in your political view, but
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nonetheless, it's not number one. trump said it's true on the math but misleading. we checked out a whole lot more, wolf. the calculators have been going. much more as the day goes on. >> that's very, very interesting. cristina, does trump's plan disproportionately help the wealthy, as his critics are charging? >> trump missed an opportunity to really highlight how his plan would impact the average and lower income americans here. one of the things he could have talked about more is his plan to increase infrastructure spending, which would have a direct impact on jobs, probably more immediately than what he talked about, which are his tax reductions. i've got to be honest, wolf, most of the tax reductions, if you look at them, will probably disproportionately benefit the wealthy and he talked about clinton and her $1.3 trillion in tax cuts but those will fall on the shoulders of the very rich.
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in fact, clinton wants to apply something called the buffett rule. if your adjusted growth income is more than a million dollars, you'll have a tax rate of 30%, the burden clearly falling on the wealthiest americans. he made it sound like taxes would -- reduced taxes would help middle to lower-income families but it's unclear how that would trickle down to lower classes. also, on trade, very complicated issue here. you know, he talked about how trade has hurt the american economy. mark zandi has said it has actually benefited the american economy. you just spoke to him. i was in indiana, mike pence's home state, where there are dozens of researchers looking into whether these trade deals have actually helped indiana, a big manufacturing state. i know many of the objective researchers say it's a net positive for the state.
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i visited a manufacturer of a large industrial engines there. it is executives told me tpp would help their bottom line. so it really is a complicated issue and you could pull a an anecdote. >> cristina alesci, thank you. the latest polls show the campaign is in need, in fact, of a reset. take a look at this brand-new monmouth university poll released this hour. hillary clinton leads donald trump by 12 points, 46-34%. clinton also has a double-digit lead in our recent average of surveys. she's up 49-39% in the cnn poll of polls. nia-malika henderson is with us, patrick murray is with us,
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director of monmouth university polling institute. >> i think the clear thing here is about temperament, i think. and it's going to be interesting to see how this policy speech that trump had today helps with changing the narrative because it has to become, is trump really capable sha-- does he ha the temperament to be president? in fact, after both conventions, clinton's numbers have gone up. 61% say she has the right temperament to be president. so he has to do something which changes that dynamic, either moving it away or convincing the voters that he actually is a steady hand at the tiller. >> you're an expert on polling. how concerned should the trump campaign be about the numbers in the polls of polls we've just put up? >> they are consistent. double-digit lead for hillary clinton. donald trump got a small bump in the few days between the two conventions. hillary clinton got a
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significantly larger bump. part of that bump is positive -- a slight positive rating of her that has gone up but also negative ratings of donald trump that have gone down. this is a big bump. now, we're still in the convention bounce period, which means it's likely to come down again. but the question is how much. this is a pretty big bounce. he needs to be concerned about this because this is a bounce that suggests that voters are solidifying their view of what donald trump would be like as a president and if that continues in the trend that we're seeing right now, particularly among white college educated women, that's the big one, mitt romney won that vote and donald trump is losing it by 30 points right now. if he's got to convince those people that he's actually a stable hand. >> he seems to be listening to his advisers and republican leaders want a more focused, deliberate donald trump, not going off on tangent issues, the speech was very carefully written today and he read it from a teleprompter. >> he did. a rare thing from this candidate, to see him standing
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there and just reading text, reading about policy, reading about his own policy proposals. and in that speech, he also, i think, was thinking about the gaps he's seen in terms of women, he talked about the child care deduction which he would make unlimited in his tax plan, something like $6,000 now. he pointed to ivanka trump who was in the audience there who many people see as his ambassador to women, particularly a college-educated suburban women. those are the areas that he really has to focus. you think about states like virginia, pennsylvania where he's down in a lot of the polls we've seen so far. he's really got to figure out a way to drill down and really connect with that particular constituency because, as you said, these numbers -- i mean, we haven't seen these numbers before when you're talking about a republican candidate. so to see him doing so horribly there, they've got a lot of work to do. >> you said, patrick, that in your poll temperament was his biggest liability among voters, likely voters, registered
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voters. in your new poll, what is the biggest liability for hillary clinton? >> it continues to be her trustworthiness. but what we're seeing in our polls, more than 6 in 10 say she hasn't been honest about how she handled her e-mails. >> similar number for trump. >> yes but the issue we see with her e-mails is that most people say we've heard enough about them. which means i think they maxed out on the e-mail potential. you can't drive them down further. whereas hillary clinton, donald trump has raised issues about his friendliness with vladimir putin. nearly half of voters say that concerns them. there are things that can move for donald trump that can't move for hillary clinton and that's why there are more warning signs in here for trump. >> yeah. he essentially keeps giving the clinton campaign and democrats more material and in ads if you go to these swing states they are just using his words against
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him. there are entire ads that are just based on things he said in the past. i think republicans they have to be worried about even if he reset cans he undo the damage over these last not only just couple of weeks we've seen in terms of him talking about the khans and getting into that back and forth, there have been many, many months of gaffes that democrats will continue to seize on. i think the question is can he reset and make it permanent. >> donald trump throughout the primaries -- he's obsessed with the polls. he always spoke about the polls. but during the primary he was doing well in the polls so he's going to look at your poll right now, his advisors will look at your poll right now and they'll say to donald trump, mr. trump, you need to do, based on your polling results, patrick, what does he need to do? >> he needs to become a policy candidate. he needs to do what he did today, simply talk about policies instead of drifting off and trying to attack hillary clinton for being unhinge d tha
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doesn't play well among these voters, these white suburban women who tend to vote republican who are swinging wildly towards hillary clinton because they don't like that language. they want to hear about child care and education and the bread-and-butter issues. >> patrick murray is the director of the monmouth university polling institute. thank you very much for coming in. >> my pleasure. >> nia is our cnn political reporter, she has no choice, she has to be here. guys, thanks very much. coming up, a very different story we're following right now. iran executes a nuclear scientist they accuse of sharing secrets with the united states. we have new information right after this. yet up to 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more... ...add one a day men's 50+. complete with key nutrients we may need. plus it helps support healthy blood pressure with vitamin d and magnesium. (lion♪it's peyton on sunday mornings.♪ (peyton) you know with directv nfl sunday ticket you can watch your favorite team no matter where you live. like broncos or colts.
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an iranian nuclear scientist vanishes, reemerges in the united states under speculation he's working with the cia only to return to iran and years later be executed in his home country. our gobel global affairs correspondent elise labott joins us now. it's unclear how shahram amiri came to the united states and his role with u.s. intelligence. you're getting new information. what can you tell us. >> well, wolf, it certainly is a dark end to this real-life spy drama. a very strange case. mr. amiri came to the united states in 2009. he said in a video that he was abducted from a pilgrimage to mecca but u.s. officials said at the time that he actually was a willing participant and provided by useful information to the united states about iran's nuclear program. but what happened was they said that he changed his mind and he wanted to go back to iran. he showed up at the pakistani embassy which runs the iranian
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intrasection, demanded to go home and when he was arrived he was greeted with a hero's welcome. secretary of state clinton, who was serving at the time, said that he was not kidnapped, that he was free to come and he was free to go, it was all his decision. but as we know, when we arrived back home, he disappeared and the iranian judiciary ministry just announced yesterday that he was executed for spying on behalf of the united states, wolf. >> you mentioned hillary clinton. she was secretary of state for four years, the story -- this whole exchange, this whole meeting, encounter with this iranian nuclear scientist, there was references to it in her e-mails that have become public. what did they say? >> well, references to when he showed up at the pakistani embassy. they never mentioned him by name but her aides were telling hillary clinton that he did show up at the iranian intrasection wanting to go home, there was nothing that really could be
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done, they needed to find a way out. but actually hillary clinton was much more public about the case. when she spoke publicly to reporters saying he was not kidnapped, he was free to come, free to go, she said these were all his decisions to make, kind of pouring water on his claims that he was abducted and he escaped his so-called captors, wolf. >> you've seen these reports that he wanted to go back because he was missing his little son. that's why he went back. was he told by u.s. authorities before he went to the pakistani intrasection -- the iranian intrasection at the pakistani embassy here in washington that he'd likely be killed if he went back? >> well, certainly they told him about what has happened to other so-called would be defectors that have gone back and changed their mind and he -- there was some suspicion that perhaps his family was being threatened or his family was being arrested so he needed to go back home but it was pretty clear he knew the risks, wolf. >> he certainly -- i assume he
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knew the risks. thanks very much, elise. we'll have more on the story in the situation room. that's it for me. i'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern in the situation room. up next, the news continues right here on cnn. happy monday, you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. despite more than a dozen interruptions, donald trump got specific on what is considered to be his greatest strength as a candidate, the u.s. economy. there he was from motor city this afternoon. mr. trump just laid out his business -- his plans to drive business revenue up, bring tax revenue down. meantime, hillary clinton, too, is choosing detroit to talk about the economy, that speech happens thursday, but in just the next hour she will be doing a jobs event down in florida and we should be hearing her response to trump's plans.
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