service members got the awards and the recognition that their acts deserved on the battlefield. some of them may be upgraded. wolf? >> good reporting, barbara. thank you. that's it for me. thanks for watching. erin burnett "out front" starts right now. "out front" next, the breaking news, donald trump accused of making a death threat over hillary clinton. did he? new polls show hillary clinton leading in battleground states and double digits in pennsylvania. can trump close the gap? trump says he loves mormon, but the feeling doesn't seem to be mutual. could it cost him the election? let's go "out front." ♪ ♪ and good evening. i'm erin burnett. "out front" tonight, the breaking news. donald trump speaking to supp t supporters in north carolina making a comment that sounded like a threat to hillary

clinton. >> hillary wants to essentially abolish the second amendment. by the way, and if she gets to pick -- if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is, i don't know. >> now, let me play a crucial moment here. we've highlighted a man behind donald trump, watch his face after trump says these words. >> although the second amendment people, maybe there is, i don't know. >> and you see his jaw drop. the reaction outside the arena and not just that man and what appears to be his wife outside the arena was fast and furious on what they thought trump meant saying in part, a person seeking to be the president of the united states should not suggest violence in any way. the secret service released a statement saying it is, quote, aware of trump's commentses.

we have a lot to talk with my panel here with me for this special hour. first, jim acosta begins our coverage out front. you were in the room when trump made this comment, jim and now the campaign is fighting back. moments ago trump talking about the second amendment again, but that controversial line was missing. >> that's right. just a few moments ago in fayetteville, north carolina, he glossed right over that comment. that was not the case earlier today when you mentioned jaws were dropping here in wilmington, north carolina, as donald trump appeared to be saying that second amendment supporters could do something about hillary clinton. it sounded like his most outrageous statement to date during the course of this campaign. democrats accused donald trump of enciting violence and the campaign insisters there is nothing to see here. firing up a big and rowdy crowd in the now-critical state of north carolina, donald trump offered this cryptic warning about hillary clinton's plans

for the supreme court. it sound like second amendment supporters could take matters into their own hands. >> hillary wants to abolish and essentially abolish the second amendment. by the way, and if she gets to pick -- if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is. >> the comment was so brazen it shocked people sitting right behind trump. the clinton campaign immediately cried foul. >> think he was just revealing as he has in many other statements that he's made. just no understanding for the role of leader and i don't find the attempt to roll it back persuasive at all. >> the trump campaign said it's called the power of unification. second amendment people have amazing spirit and are tremendously unified which gives them great political power and this year they'll be voting in record numbers and it won't be

for hillary clinton, it will be for donald trump. the uproar sparked by trump's remark once again raised questions about the gop's nominee to stay on message. one of the top surrogates said it was a botched point. >> it was awkwardly phrased. >> it may have been awkwardly phrased, but he talks aggressively to the people. >> former cia director michael hayden who just signed a later along with dozens of former national security officials pledging to never vote for trump said the second amendment comments could have unintended consequences. >> you are not just responsible for what you say. you are responsible for what people hear. >> reporter: now donald trump ask mike pence are being asked about these comments that were made by donald trump earlier today in a local interview in north carolina trump said he was talking about the power of second amendment supporters whereas mike pence told a station in pennsylvania that, no, of course not, donald trump

was not enciting violence. as far as the trump campaign was concerned, erin, he did not encite violence today and democrats are pushing back on that very, very hard. >> thank you very much, jim. jeff zeleny is on the trail with the clinton campaign out front in miami tonight and the clinton campaign reaction was extremely swift, but not actually from the candidate herself. >> reporter: it was indeed, erin. so far we have not heard directly by secretary clinton and that is by design. she was asked by a reporter at a political stop. she declined to answer a question on it and she is at fund raisers in miami tonight and she's making the case that he is an unacceptable leader and a dangerous leader and she is going to not dwell on this. in some respects she doesn't have to. we saw her running mate there make some harsh comments about it and of course, her campaign manager said this is an example of donald trump being dangerous here, but democrats are rallying to her aid, to her side tonight,

erin. one that we are taking particular notice of is from elizabeth warren, the senator from massachusetts. look at this tweet she sent out just a few minutes ago. donald trump makes death threats because he is a pathetic coward who can't handle the fact he's losing to a girl. erin, not exactly high-minded conversation on either side of this campaign tonight. some 91 days to go before election day. >> yeah. that tweet sort of makes it a race to the bottom. >> thank you very much, jeff zeleny. >> out front now, trump supporter chuck fleischmann, and thank you for being with me, sir. you heard the campaign statement calling trump's rhetoric dangerous and continuing to say a person seeking to be president of the united states shouldn't suggest violence in any way. were trump's comments acceptable? >> well, i think what we're seeing, erin, is a very desperate clinton campaign that owns an agenda, an obama agenda of eight years that they have

clung to, almost religiously and they are looking for statements that have been made from time to time and obviously this was not the most articulate statement that mr. trump could have made, but when the american people focused on the last eight years and the promise that donald trump offers for the next four years, i think the choice will be abundantly clear. trump is going to bury her. the clinton campaign and the clinton agenda is an abject failure just like the obama agenda. >> okay. putting aside poll which don't show that right now. polls do show her ahead, and i want to focus if i can, sir, on the specific issue at hand about the second amendment comment. one other tweet came out from chris murphy and he said, don't treat this as a political misstep. it's an assassination threat seriously upping the possibility of a national tragedy and crisis. look, it's a democratic senator, but he uses the word

assassination threat. that is what some people heard, even if as a joke or misstep, that is what many people heard. if he meant something else and he wants to be president should he have been more careful with his words? >> obviously, when you're on the campaign trail both senator and secretary of state clinton have made major miscues in some of the ways they articulate their message, i think what we really need to focus on is where are the american people and where does donald trump want to take them and where does hillary clinton want to take them? it's abundantly clear that the last eight years have been a great failure and that clinton is trying to stick to things that are not all that important. let me say this. let me say this. the second amendment is critically important to americans. i represent wonderful people in east tennessee, and i just won a primary with 84%. the reason why is because i stand up for the second amendment. let me tell you what the people

who love the second amendment will do. we will cure this in the ballot box and it will be all over our great nation. >> perhaps that is a way that donald trump could have articulated that if that's what he meant. the past three cia directors before we go, they've all said they cannot support donald trump. today general michael hayden who previously said he won't support trump was asked about the second amendment comment and he said something pretty specific that i want to play for you. >> if someone else had said that outside the hall he'd be in the back of a police wagon now with the secret service questioning him. so congressman fleischmann, what do you say to that? the issue is what he said today. what do you say to general hayden? >> everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and i have a lot of respect for general hayden, but let's face it, the american people and not the general haydens of the world and not the elites of this world, but the good american people and the great american people will decide this election. they've got a choice.

they may choose hillary clinton which is going to be an extension of the last eight years of failure of the obama administration. there is not a candidate out there, and i've run for public office before and during the time you campaigned and sometimes you say things that you'd like to take back, but you have to focus on where are we going to go on this great country? will we move it forward economically and will it make us great again or are we going to have a continuation of the last eight years? i think the dhois will be abundantly clear and as we move forward, there will be a lot of rhetoric, but the problem is america is languishing. >> congress ooh on america is languishing domestically. we need to move this great country forward candidly given the choice, trump versus clinton, trump wins it easily. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time and i want to get straight to my panel, david gergen is with me, four presidents he serves as

adviser to, karen mcmainy and maria cardona who works for a clinton super pac and senior adviser to the trump campaign and basil smikle. maria, what is your response to congressman fleischmann? he didn't want to talk about this issue although sometimes you say things you could take back. >> let's focus on that. clearly donald trump hasn't taken this back. this is something that he has said and the violence that he has enciting and there's no question, no spin, there's no excuse for the words that he used. if there are, then he should say what it was that he meant instead of what he -- and the words that he used which clearly do seem to be enciting violence and by the way, this isn't the first time. this is someone who from the moment he stepped out on to the campaign trail has been inciting violence and he talked about punching people early on in his campaign. there were two people who beat up a hispanic man because they said this is what trump wants us to do.

he needs to be responsible. >> two, donald trump did answer questions on this specific point and he did an interview and he specifically said that all he was talking about was political power and not violence in any way whatsoever -- let me finish now. over 90 million people own guns in this country legally and that's great political power and the nra has great political power and those folks are behind him and he's picking the next judges and not hillary clinton and he's answered the next question. >> i need to speak to this because you know, i grew up at a time when a lot of the people i grew up with graduated from high school were shot and killed. i myself was shot at 12 by a 14-year-old. so i take gun violence very, very seriously. so when your the leader of a national party and you get up on stage and intimate that violence can be used in situations where you disagree and what no one has

talked to is the pattern and someone that goes on stage and talks about punching and someone who allows the audience to say lock her up, taking away her liberty and no one is taking responsibility for that. clearly the candidate is not. and that's the problem. the former cia director is right -- the former cia director is absolutely correct, you are responsible not just for what you say, but how people interpret what you say. >> this is so absurd to me. he said if hillary clinton appoints judges there is nothing you can do, but maybe there is something the second amendment folks can do, you can file amicus briefs and there are things you can do, but of course, the never trump movement and -- >> no, you have to let me finish. >> everyone on this panel, not everyone, but some of you want to fein outrage at every single thing donald trump says and you look at it through the most negative lens possible and when there was another way to see it.

when i heard that, oh, yeah, file an amicus briefing. >> there was a good percentage of the country that will view that comment in a very different way and react to it and that's -- >> and it has nothing to do with party politics, my point is that if you are the head of a national party, if you are the standard bearer of that party, you have a responsibility to speak to everybody and to be mindful of the consequences and the arena in which you say it. >> hillary clinton doesn't speak to everybody. >> she's extremely divisive. >> he didn't say take action by going to vote. he let it hang. whatever he meant, the truth is at the next rally that he's giving right now he took that line out. isn't that admitting right there that he realized it was taken in the wrong way? >> first of all, it's donald trump, and we know for a fact the speeches are not skipt scripted and that's why he's done so well. that's why he's done so well. 14 million in the primaries and

look at florida, look at ohio and north carolina. >> to our specific point, obviously, the speeches are not scripted and that's why he's such a strong candidate. he did an interview right before the second rally and he specifically answered what he meant and it was all about -- >> that's not what he said. >> let's talk about gun vilence in this country and it's growing under barack obama. that's what we should be talking about. >> i'm going to pause because we'll be right back after this to keep talking. next, the breaking news with the polls which were just mentioned. hillary clinton leading donald trump in several key states. another republican senator said she cannot vote for trump and donald trump professes his love. >> do i love the mormons, okay? do i love the mormons? well, is the feeling mutual? and standing right behind clinton at a rally, the father of the gunman in the orlando nightclub massacre. the father of a terrorist. why was he there?

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breaking news. hillary clinton building her lead in crucial key battle ground states. new polls show clinton leading iowa, ohio and in pennsylvania where she's opening up a double-digit lead. according to an nbc poll, she is ahead to trump's 37. a new quinnipiac poll shows the lead 52 to 42. sarah is in fayetteville, north carolina. these polls are something the trump campaign is watching very carefully. >> that's absolutely right, erin. we know that they are all in in a number of these battleground states and he's been campaigning much more heavily in the general election than we ever saw him do in the primaries and there were a couple of states where he does have reason to be hopeful. if you look at the latest quinnipiac numbers in florida, donald trump and hillary clinton are basically neck and neck. hillary clinton is at 46% and donald trump is at 45% and that

is a pivotal battleground in the fall. let's take a look at what's going on in iowa and it's an marist poll and it does show hillary clinton with an edge and donald trump is in the hunt there at 37%. some of the places that might be worrisome now even though trump is in the hunt in the layest ohio polls he is still trailing hillary clinton and right now, erin, the polls have him getting smoked by ten points in pennsylvania and the trump campaign has made no secret of the fact that they're relying on these rust belt states like ohio and like pennsylvania in hopes of coming to victory in november and certainly in a place like pennsylvania they want to close that gap and in a place like ohio they want to flip the numbers they're getting right now with hillary clinton. >> all right, sarah. thank you very much. we want to bring back the panel who interviewed republican senator susan collins today breaking the news that collins would not back trump. david gergen, let me start with

you on these polls and you hear sarah going through them. ohio, both of the polls out of quinnipiac and five points and four points favor clinton and these states are not looking good for trump. exception, florida with clinton ahead one point. so florida looking like a dead heat, but ohio, pennsylvania and these are not good numbers for trump. >> you do have to say that trump is doing well in the south and you go up to north carolina and she's a little ahead and he's very competitive there and possibly not in virginia, but the rust belt states are critical and you can't get there without the rust belt states and the most devastating news today was pennsylvania and that's opened up a double-digit lead. >> in both polls. >> in both polls and he's also behind in ohio and think about what happened in the last couple of weeks and just yesterday, tom ridge, former governor, popular governor of pennsylvania thought he was a reckless president and that's in pennsylvania. what's going on? he's got a war going on with john kasich, the governor who

was the most popular man in the state. you cannot win those states if the people who -- if you dismissed people and were running as hacks and people of the past, you have to work with them to win, and if he can't take pennsylvania, it's very, very hard. >> and it's not only there, but the states are traditionally red and there was a poll that showed clinton up by seven in georgia. mitt romney won georgia by nine points and georgia hasn't gotten democrats since 1992 and donald trump was up, i believe six points and now it's a dead heat in arizona which hasn't gone democratic once since barry goldwater. this is a problem for donald trump, so if he can't even hold red states. you have to win ohio and utah is another state that people seem to think it's just utah. in utah he got his butt handed to him, 69 to 15% during the primary and it's 60% mormon and that state does not like donald

trump and you have someone with an independent candidate coming in. >> utah, that's very real. the mormons don't love donald trump. >> we have a special report on that coming up. >> this issue, susan collins. you spoke to her and she has never not voted for the republican. >> correct. >> there's never time she switched and always voted for the republican. you asked her why she's not supporting trump and here's what she told you. >> donald trump, in my judgment, would make a perilous world even more dangerous. i worry that his tendency to lash out and his ill-informed comments would cause dangerous events to escalate and possibly spin out of control at a time when our world is beset with

conflicts. that say real problem. >> you've now interviewed several high-profile republicans who have made this switch. more coming? absolutely. i think that we're going see a growing number of people, and i think senator collins, look, this is not a complete surprise and she's been saying for weeks or months that she was troubled and concerned, but the fact that she is coming out gives, i think, some cover to other people who want to come out. i asked her about john mccain who is one of her best friends. he's having a very tough primary. she said very carefully, that's his decision to make, but she also said we've heard john mccain say that. so i think in the next couple of weeks we are going to see that list growing and growing. >> boris? >> we are concentrating on just a few individuals here. 14 million people came out for donald trump in the primaries

and we are concentrating on a few gop officials who we want that support and we hope to win that support by the time november 8th rolls around and we are concentrated on the voters and on the specific polls in utah, a poll just done in august 4th, trump is up 37-25. in ohio, when you count johnson and stein he's only down by two well below the margin of error if you don't count those, so if you look at the whole picture right now, donald trump is doing fine. >> we ignore the fact that he ran against republicans in washington. despite that, he has the endorsement of 37 senators, 25 governors, 166 house members. i'm surprised he has that many because he ran on the notion that these people have failed you, and i will bring in a new order of people in washington. we never focus on the fact that he does have a myriad of endorsements despite the fact he ran against the very people that were endorsing him. >> and donald trump in danger of losing the must-win state of

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a conservative mormon in the state of utah, could he cost trump the white house? kyung lau with our "out front" report. we need another choice. >> the airwaves of salt lake city radio carries the mormon movement against donald trump. >> i'm not going to vote for donald trump. >> gail risica. lifelong, lds member was part of the insurgency so they wouldn't have to back trump. she now has a new man. >> we're going to be talking this morning to evan mcmullen. >> to introduce for her

listeners for lack of any better options. >> we believe in voting for moral people. we want to vote for wise people, moral people, people who live gospel standards. >> we less than a hundred days before the election. >> i know, but i believe in miracles. >> call this a never trump's hail mary. supporters need 1,000 signatures to get evan mcmullen on utah's ballot which they know they'll get, the plan, stop trump and get their conservative elected. >> we waited and waited. >> mcmullen state director also a mormon says in utah, faith is the factor. utah is 60% mormon, last voting for a democrat in 1964. and while trump has said he'll win that voting bloc. >> do i love the mormons, okay? do i love the mormons? the mormons don't all love him back. >> does donald trump conflict with your faith? >> absolutely. clearly some of the ideas and things that he has said and put forward as potential policies of

his potential white house, i would be heartsick about if those policies actually came to light. >> many mormons, a faith persecuted by the federal government a century ago recoil of trump's call to ban muslim immigrants leading the church to prelease an unprecedented statement saying mormons support religious freedom. today lds is a global religion second in the u.s. >> we want to hear him speak about minorities and i get really nervous about the future of our country. >> then there's trump's style. >> he's a bully and he stands at the pulpit and he bullies people. >> donald trump is a phony and a fraud. >> with anti-trump to the lieutenant governor, the governor and senator mike leigh and even state democrats for the first time in decades smell opportunity and hillary clinton's campaign says it has some staff on the ground and bill clinton will visit the

state this thursday. mcmullen's supporters say their campaign won't hand the states to clinton. they're confident they'll get their unknown to win. >> well, i'll let donald trump speak to his ability to win the lds vote. we feel confidently that we are going to earn victory in utah. >> certainly, mormons hold the most sway here in utah, but they also are influenced in other states and the battleground state of nevada as well as the state of arizona pushing that state ever so slightly out of the bright red category and one big influence we are watching, mitt romney, he has yet to meet mcmullen according to a source close to cromney, but he's looking forward to what he has to say. >> my panel is back. kaylee, trump has to win every state and then he has to win a few more in order to win this election. utah is a must-win state.

utah is not a state under discussion and yet here it is. are you worried about it? >> not at all, because the utah policy poll shows him up by 12 points and i know when they look at the supreme court and realize the decision and the right to bear arms say 5-4 decision, hobby lobby, can't force companies to provide contraception. they're not going to allow non-conservative justices on the court. they, in fact, care about conservative values and will show up and vote republican. >> the clinton campaign sending bill clinton to utah. utah has not backed a democrat since 1964. so are we getting way too ahead of ourselves to have this conversation? >> does kayleigh have a point? >> the other thing mormons care about is civility. mormons care about being a neighbor. mormons care about being able to you treat other human beings that we are all taught to treat one another. donald trump doesn't do that. so what they're saying that

they're not supporting trump is that he does not represent their values as a religion. he does not represent their values as a conservative and i think it speaks volumes about the trouble and the hold that the trump campaign is in, and i know that they try to spin it and massage it and say they're not worried and all of that. i'm not saying that we'll win utah, but i'm saying with this kind of movement against trump there's no way they have a viable movement electorally for 270 votes. >> you have a small percentage of the population that's mormon. it's 60% of the state of utah. this matters significantly and they've been very loyal to mitt romney. here's what mitt romney has said about donald trump. >> donald trump is a phony, a fraud. his promises are as worthless as a degree from trump university. >> i believe on the basis of temperament and character that those are areas where i feel i

simply can't vote for him. presidents have an impact on the nature of our nation and trickledown racism and trickledown bigotry and trickle down misogyny and all of those are extremely dangerous to the character of america. >> i support a mitt romney in 2012. he had very different words to say about donald trump. >> fair. >> that's one. two, if you look at the polling again, donald trump is up by 12 points in utah. we're fine in utah. >> i'll just note only for the record and it's not a poll cnn recognizes and it may be true or may not. i want people to understand that. >> by a recent polling and he won by a large amount and he'll be fine in utah and we as a campaign and donald trump as a candidate are not focusing on any one religion and the goal is to appeal to the whole spectrum of voters and the lds folks absolutely care about the national security and the economy. >> i'll just say very quickly

and there is an interconnectedness that we need to pay attention to here. they have four members of congress and the first haitian woman member of congress in the country, so how donald trump talks about immigrants really does matter. susan collins may not -- susan collins doesn't necessarily mention it in the interview, but there are 12,000 somali refugees living in her state, as well. when donald trump speaks ill about muslims and the immigrant community -- excuse me, this will have reverberations across the country even in red states. >> it's having reverberations right now. donald trump just completed an interview with fox news talking about this issue and the issue tonight about what he said about the second amendment and answering the criticism that people say that he was insighting violence against hillary clinton, he says the nra, as you know, endorsed me. they're terrific people. wayne and chris, referring to the leadership at the nra, and they tweeted out basically they

agree 100% with what i said and there could be no other interpretation, even reporters have told me. give me a break. >> i would like to see the nra come out saying that they agree with what donald trump said. i'd be curious to see that because donald trump plays loose with words all of the time. words matter and contrary to what kaylee may think that we're parsing every single word and that's a problem and -- >> syllables or words. whatever. this is not a game and i would think that you would want to expect excellence from the president of the united states and not mediocrity on and -- you're damn right we expect -- >> you talked all day. >> we're going to criticize what he says because he's running for the presidency and words matter. >> who are you supporting for president? >> as never trump people who look at donald trump as a disgrace, we're not liberal and there's nothing liberal about me, number one. i have never supported pro-choice to donald trump.

>> i've work on nothing like conservative values and people like you who cast as persians on people like me who are never trump i think it's despicable. he's the one that just became a republican. >> maybe democrats and my colleagues were unaware that there were means you could take when you appoint wellic ral judges and it was not -- >> amicus briefs. >> that's not what he said! >> if you want to listen to the rest of that clip he said it would be a horrible day. what was he meaning? you have roger stone running out there who is his buddy going out there saying that the system is rigged and that there will be revolution and blood in the streets because the election is rigged. >> all of these -- oh, tara me. it's your buddy roger stone who supports trump. i'm not making it up. >> are you okay? >> yes. >> thank you for coming back to this because i do think this is a major day in the campaign and we ought to get real about the argument. for years, people have been

defending gun rights, and they've made the basic argument, we have to have the right to bear arms and in case we have a tyrannical government and we have to fight back to be a second amendment-type supporter. that's defending your freedom, but let's be clear and it is the right to bear arms and attack tyrannical government and we had harry reid's race where the republican candidate for the senate said in the event that basically we lose and we have second amendment remedies and the right to bear arms basically, she said, to go after them and to go after the people who do that and she lost that race, and it was -- she went way too far. that's what's going on here and that's why it lends itself to this interpretation. there may be other -- hold on -- just old on. listen -- >> go ahead and finish, david. when we hear that from donald

trump it lends itself very reasonably to that interpretation. i just want to make one other point. some of us lived through the '60s and we remember the assassinations of the '60s. i worked with two presidents ford and ronald reagan came within an inch of losing his life and ever since then that nobody goes up close to that line and i'm talking about talking about violence against your political opponents. you just don't do that and donald trump is traveling -- >> there say liberal view, and the conservative world view. >> this underscores why donald trump is absolutely, completely unfit to be president of the united states and leader of they from world. >> she's not the one that's getting billions of dollars to iran. he's not the one that's caused for iran state-sponsor of terrorism. and -- [ indiscernible ] >> thanks to all. next, the father of orlando nightclub shooter saying he's an

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tonight, the clinton campaign facing questions about why this man stood behind clinton at a rally last night. he's the father of the terrorist who carried out the deadliest mass shooting in american history, the father of a man who killed 41 people at a gay nightclub in orlando. so why was sadeiqy mateen behin clinton. >> a rally where she needed to connect with voters in the most important battleground state of them all. >> whoa! this is fabulous! thank you! >> a raucous crowd in kissimmee, florida, just a drive from the spot where 49 people were killed in the worst mass shooting in american history help hillary clinton began by thanking the

city leaders for the response in the pulse nightclub massacre. >> i know how many loved ones and friends are still grieving. >> but as she says that, sitting just behind her in the red cap with a large mustache, saddique mateen and a supporter in the backdrop. >> clinton is good for the united states versus donald trump. >> he spoke to cnn affiliate wptv about why he showed up. it's a democratic party so everybody can join. >> mateen showed a banner supporting hillary clinton, for among other things her position on gun control. this is a man who once touted himself as a candidate for president of afghanistan, and in the week after the orlando massacre held rambling incoherent news conferences. >> i didn't know what i was saying. >> the optic of a terrorist's father so prominent at a clinton event is irresistible for trump supporters. >> this was a slap in the face to the gay community who were actual targets of that terrorist

attack, so not only should she apologize, but she should absolutely denounce. >> seddique mateen says he was invited to the clinton rally and clinton says not by them. this was an open-door, vent for the public and quote, the campaign was unaware of his attendance until after the, vent and this unforced error by the campaign in a key battleground state has even supporters saying they need to do damage control. >> they need to fire the advance person. >> it is pretty stunning when you look at that. >> right. >> it's stunning and it's upsetting. are the people behind clinton vetted before they are placed so close to her that this guy is sitting there on camera the whole time? >> erin, we have a reporter embedded with the clinton campaign and his name is dan marica. he told me that the campaign has advance people and often very young people who go through the crowds at these events and they pick people to go up on stage.

often these people are vips who are familiar to the campaign. sometimes they are people who reflect diversity in age or race, but these are young people who do it and clearly the people who did it at that florida rally did not recognize seddique mateen. >> it's pretty incredible when you think about the motive doing it for diversity and the whole thing. thank you very much, brian todd. "out front" next, we have breaking news. the polls in wisconsin are closing soon. it's a major night. could the house speaker paul ryan really lose his seat? i love that my shop is part of the morning ritual around here. people rely on that first cup and i wouldn't want to mess with that. but when (my) back pain got bad, e gth t thouve

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unknown challenger, this should have been a routine reelection victory for ryan. he is running on the same message as don adtrump putting this race into the national spotlight. manu raju is out front from ryan's hometown, wisconsin. manu, the ryan campaign never thought that this would get to this point. >> they certainly were prepared for a possibility of a primary challenge, but they never thought it was a real serious challenge to their seat. now paul ryan did not take it for granted. he actually raised a ton of money ending this campaign with about 9.5 million in cash on hand and also advertising in this district and at least three adds promoting his record and recognizing that while paul neiland has yet to gain much traction and this is a year when there is a lot of frustration with washington, and antipathy with people in washington and he is speaker of the house and in that regard he took it seriously

and there is no evidence to suggest that paul neiland will make one of the biggest upsets in electoral history, if he does do that tonight. i did speak to mr. neiland earlier about his prospects. i asked him twice whether or not he thought he would win and he did not say that. he expected a moral victory because he thought paul ryan had pared back his position on trade, but the third time i asked him whether or not you think he'll win tonight, mr. neiland, this is what he said. >> absolutely. i feel very strongly that we will be, and you know, we have run a fabulous campaign at the doors and we are getting a lot of great numbers coming in over the past week. i mean, shocking numbers so i feel very comfortable that we ran everything that we possibly could. >> reporter: now pretty rosy assessment and no one thinks that at this point that that upset will happen and we'll see what happens when the polls

close and paul ryan here addressing reporters shortly after to talk about this race and not real lie a victory party and just talking to reporters, erin. >> thank you very much. david gergen is back with me. this is the trump effect and trump endorsed him at the last hour. >> right. >> the penultimate hour. no one would have even thought that this would have been a story. >> absolutely, and i think paul ryan will win this. he was ahead by 66 points. >> right. right. >> 66 points so it will be hard to beat him, but what republicans are concerned about is what's going to happen to the trump voters after this campaign is over? if trump goes to the white house that's one thing. what if he loses? where do the trump voters go? are we going to see many of the people who believe challenging the republican establishment? could someone pull off another eric cantor upset? >> nobody thought that was a story. i remember it actually happened and they said you might want to -- we have a story here and

no one saw it coming. >> given the volatility in politics and there was a lot of concern and what ultimately happens when the trump voters are part of the coalition and are they happy, and are they keep trying to knock off the establishment? that's the big issue tonight. >> david gergen, thank you very much. obviously, those polls are getting ready to close in wisconsin for paul ryan. we'll take a brief break. we'll be right back. looks right to me. shouldn't it be clear- clearly... it is time to get a great deal and a reward card on this turbocharged jetta. gotta make room for the 2017 models. it is a clarence event. why is that so hard for people to understand? it seems clar to me. clear to me. ready for a test drive? whatever you want to call it, don't miss the volkswagen model year end event. hurry in for a $1,000 volkswagen reward card and 0% apr on a new 2016 jetta. allows me to actually operate my guibusiness from everest. 4 i help clients achieve their dreams. being able to go between having a laptop

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and thank you so much for joining us. don't forget, you with watch "out front" any time, anywhere on cnn go. "ac 360" with john berman starts right now. good evening. john germ an berman in for ande tonight. was it something he said? was it thinking out loud or joke, about someone taking a shot at hillary clinton if she becomes president. you will hear the uproar over it, and our panel will debate it and a former nsa director will comment on it and you will hear donald trump's own late reaction on the controversy and those are the remarks whatever he meant have caused and first, though, the words themselves and cnn's sarah murray joins us from the campaign trail. sarah, what's the latest? >> donald trump left it up to his allies to spring to his defense on the second amendment controversy he set off mike pence at a political r