against her russian rival. >> she is outspoken about following the rules and doing it the right way. this is good morning. welcome to your "new day." it is thursday, august 11th. brianna keilar and i are here for you. donald trump is trying to insult his way back into the race, now calling president obama and hillary clinton the founders of isis. trump also digging in on these statements about the second amendment, saying that hillary clinton's supreme court picks could be the turning point in america's culture. >> and cnn has learned that the secret service has had more than one conversation with the trump campaign about donald trump's remark. donald trump says not true. hillary clinton, though, facing her own headaches over newly released e-mails. we'll have it all for you. we're covering it like no one else can. i want to begin with sara murray, live in miami, where trump campaigns today.

>> reporter: good morning, brianna. after a couple days of donald trump working through a fire storm of his own making, today he is definitely looking to change the conversation. he actually started last night by leveling some harsh attacks against president obama and hillary clinton, hammering the former secretary of state over her e-mails. donald trump trying to shift the spotlight to hillary clinton's missing e-mails after a newly uncovered batch of messages raises questions about ties between the clinton foundation and the state department. >> it's called pay for play. some of these were really, really bad and illegal, if it's true. you're paying and you're getting things. >> reporter: but the fire storm trump ignited with his own words isn't going away. >> hillary wants to abolish -- essentially abolish the second amendment. by the way, and if she gets to pick -- [ booing ] if she gets to pick her judges,

nothing you can do, folks. although, the second amendment people, maybe there is. i don't know. >> reporter: trump digging in and continuing to blame the press for twisting his remarks. >> the biggest rigger of the system is the media. the media is rigged. it's rigged. it's crooked as hell. >> reporter: the bombastic billionaire insisting he wasn't advocating violence. >> what we're talking about is political power. there's tremendous political power to save the second amendment. tremendous. and you look at -- you know, you look at the power they have in terms of votes, and that's what i was referring to. obviously that's what i was referring to. >> reporter: a secret service official tells cnn they had more than one conversation with trump's campaign on the topic. but trump disputes this, tweeting no such meeting or conversation ever happened. >> words matter, my friends. >> reporter: all as clinton fires back on the stump. >> we witnessed the latest in a

long line of casual comments from donald trump that cross the line. >> reporter: amid the uproar, trump is ramping up his attacks. >> isis is honoring president obama. >> reporter: labeling the president the founder of a terrorist group, not once, but three times. >> he's the founder of isis. he's the founder of isis. he's the founder. he founded isis. and i would say the co-founder would be crooked hillary clinton. co-founder. >> reporter: the man who once demanded the president's birth certificate to prove his citizenship now emphasizing obama's full name. >> during the administration of barack hussein obama -- >> reporter: sitting behind trump at the rally as it all happened, disgraced ex-congressman mark foley, who

resigned in 2006 amid allegations he sent sexual e-mails and messages to teenage boys. >> how many of you people know me? a lot of you people know me. when you get those seats, you sort of know the campaign. >> reporter: as trump pounced on clinton for having a terrorist father sitting behind her this week. >> wasn't it terrible when the father of the animal that killed the wonderful people in orlando was sitting with a big smile on his face right behind hirktd. >> reporter: now, as donald trump looks to get back on track, he'll be campaigning across florida today beginning right here in miami. the latest polls show him neck and neck with hillary clinton here in the sunshine state. back to you, brianna and chris. >> sara, stay with us. lets let's discuss. we have cnn political analyst and presidential campaign reporter for "the new york

times" maggie haberman. we have jeff zeleny as well. maggie, you just can't make it up. barack hussein obama, the founder of isis. the father of the orlando murderer in the back of clinton's campaign. trump points it out. we then look behind him and mark foley is sitting there. >> in the same place almost. the exact same spot. >> trump comes up with, let's say, casual comments about what second amendment people could do, refuses to apologize. his campaign says this is part of our maturation process, that we have to learn to get better and get more consistent on message. the day after they say that, he doubles down and says more inflammatory things. you can't make it up. >> no, and as you said, we go from -- you just described exactly the life cycle here of one day of a teleprompter speech and praise that he staid on a teleprompter, which on its own is sort of a strange level of praise. >> and talked policy and drew

real points of contrast with hillary clinton. >> and it was a very focused message. he criticizes clinton in his speeches, including the one last night, for using a teleprompter. yet, you know, this is the thing his aides want him to do. then the next day, you know, he has this outburst, an errant line about second amendment people. and there was yesterday. this is what is frustrating to his supporters, to his allies, to some of his aides. there's a complete sel self-imnolating factor. he is letting them go because, yes, it is true -- and te talk abouts this. he'll say 45 minutes of whatever and then it's the 30 seconds that he says that becomes a story. that's not new to him or new to this presidential cycle that's politics that's been you could go on forever. he just can't stop doing it because he loves these rallies. >> sara, i wonder what you think because certainly there's a

criticism that i think a lot of republicans will make of president obama about his leadership when it comes to isis and certainly hillary clinton's, which we've heard donald trump talk about, but when donald trump refers to president obama as barack hussein obama, while that is of course his name, it's something that even back, you know, when there were the birthers who were questioning whether the president was actually born in the u.s., that was -- >> and trump was among them. >> leading the charge. that was something they would say to sort of evoke that sense of he's not really american. he's obviously undercutting himself. >> well, and it was interesting to see the way he put these two things together in his speech because he was talking about president obama essentially being a leader of isis. then right after that, it was talking about barack hussein obama. as chris was just pointing out, donald trump was one of these original birthers. remember back four years ago, this was something he talked about regularly, president

obama's birth certificate, proving he was born in america. i think this is something that we've seen time and time again from donald trump, these sort of dog whistles, whether we're talking about president obama, whether we're talking about other sort of ethnicities, whether we're talking about muslims, and this is one of the things that has been very frustrating, as some independents and even some republicans have looked to whether they can support him. the notion that he can't leave some of these more conspiracy theory views behind. it was one thing to sort of espouse them when he was a reality tv star, but it's another thing to be out there talking like this when you're the republican nominee. >> the birther thing was so wrong, so embarrassing, that even trump won't talk about it anymore. if you notice, jeff zeleny, every time someone asks him about the birther allegations, he says we don't talk about that anymore. that's a really high bar for donald trump to not want to do it. but what do you make in terms of this disconnect? we many sam clovis on yesterday. he's a senior adviser. he says we have to learn to keep him on message.

don't put it all on him. then we see yesterday, is there really any ability to control donald trump even by his own staff? >> i think there's absolutely no ability to control donald trump. i mean, of course it's on him. he's the candidate who's running for president. it begins with him, it ends with him. he's the only one that can control this. sam clovis lives in sioux city, iowa. he's close to the operation, but he doesn't have any say over what donald trump says at a rally. i think you have to wonder if donald trump -- again, as maggie was saying, we've seen this so long, i think he knows exactly what he's doing. he loves to get this attention here that you can only get by going off script, off message, things like that. the mark foley thing last night at the rally in florida may have been the only unscripted matter of the whole thing there. i don't know. i doubt that donald trump knew mark foley, the former congressman, was sitting behind

him. interestingly, i happened to be looking on mark foley's facebook page this morning. he posted yesterday afternoon around 1:30 or so the story of the orlando shooter's father and hillary clinton. so he knew exactly what he was doing when he was sitting there. just one of those bizarre things. as for donald trump, he can control himself if he wants to. we're not sure he wants to actually. >> to remind people of who mark foley is, this is someone who was actually at another trump event here during the cycle, but mark foley was the source of the page scandal in 2006 that was very much the down fall of house republicans, including the speaker, dennis hastert, who we later learned had huge problems of his own, legally, and doing inappropriate things. but this is gigantic. this is what led to democrats taking over the house. the idea he would have him sitting almost in the same place, maggie, i mean, there seems to be no sense of irony

here. >> this is the problem. democrats were very upset when hillary clinton was criticized the other day for having the father of omar mateen sitting at her rally. it's still not clear how it happened. it took her campaign a full day to come out with a clear statement. it was clearly not great advance work. it was clearly a slow response. >> you don't believe they invited him? >> i have no idea. i find it very unlikely. i don't know how he got there. i don't know if it was someone who just showed up. and to be clear, people have a right to go to a political rally. as a presidential candidate, you're going to get criticized for the people who back you. this is not new. trump has been seizing on this. he makes it a big thing. then he has mark foley, who's a friend of his, to be clear. it's not like this is somebody who just showed up at a rally, sitting right behind him as trump is literally in realtime saying, can you believe she did this? this is what happens with this

campaign over and over again. he will make an attack, and then he'll get caught in something similar and try to explain why it doesn't apply to him. in his description, it's that he's being treated unfairly. >> sara, what do you hear from the campaign in terms of this latest round of this stuff, in terms of how they rationalize progress in this. i got a lot of buzz after katie tur from nbc, the story came out that i guess trump openly criticized her, condemning her in front of a crowd. the crowd went after her verbally or enough to scare her. the secret service had to escort her to her car. the campaign -- first it was, oh, that didn't happen. this is about the crowd. it's not about him. how do they rationalize what's going on right now in terms of the environment that strump ktr creating. are they giving any ownership of

these moments to trump? >> no, chris, i don't think there is any ownership of these moments. i'm good friends with katy tur. i've been at these political events with her when she's been called out, when i've been called out, when other reporters have been called out. it is sort of this surreal moment when you see a crowd of thousands of people turn on you and begin to jeer at you. there's no doubt that donald trump gins this up. even last night he was talking about how horrible the press is. it wasn't just donald trump. there was an rnc official who spoke before him who said very similar things about how horrible and unfair the press is, how disgusting the press is. this is sort of the atmosphere that they've created at this trump event. now, they certainly don't take any ownership over the notion that some negative consequence could come of that. obviously we hope that nothing like that would ever happen, but they sort of believe that donald trump is just slamming the media and that if someone did something crazy of their own accord, that's not on donald trump. >> all right.

sara, jeff, maggie, stick around. we're going to talk more ahead here. we want to talk about the olympic games though. that is big news. katie ledecky, she's just crushing her competition. she's winning another gold for the women's swim team. all eyes now on michael phelps and gymnast simone biles as they each battle for the top prize tonight. we have cnn sports anchor coy wire live in rio with more. i feel like i say this every day. this is a big day. but this is, again, a very big day as we watch these huge names, coy. >> reporter: no doubt about it, brianna. simone spectacular going to be fun to watch, but i'm really interested in seeing if phelps can claim the 200 im gold for a fourth straight olympics. he has a heavy workload before that today. he has the 100-meter butterfly prelims and semis before that final. let's get you caught up on the medal count. the u.s. added another six medals yesterday, bringing their total to 32, leading the way.

china is second with 23. japan in the third spot with 18. guys, it's the americans who continue to be like a plethora of poe psi dons, ruling the waters here in rio. it's their youngest member, 19-year-old katie ledecky, making a splash. katie ledecky strikes gold again. her teammates cheering her on as she overpowers the australians in the last leg of the 4x200-meter freestyle relay. the 19-year-old superstar claiming her fourth medal, third gold, at these rio games. ledecky is a favorite to dominate the 800-meter free still, which gets under way today. but the win overshadowed by the modern day cold war playing out in the pool. american gold medalist lilly king makes waves after openly criticizing russian rival yulia efimova for being allowed to compete despite two suspensions for doping. king telling cnn, quote, i'm glad to be a poster child for

clean sport. but king fails to qualify to compete tonight in the 200-meter brek stroke final, while her rival earns a spot. the two are expected to face off again later this week. michael phelps aiming for his 26th olympic medal tonight going head to head with teammate and world record holder ryan lochte in the 200-meter individual medially. lochte, a 12-time olympic medalist, is the second most decorated male swimmer after phelps. >> i think for me, he brings the best out of me. we're racers. so it's meets like these that i love the most where he and i get to duke it out. any time i get up and race him, it's the best. >> reporter: guys, phelps and lochte are roommates here in the olympic village in rio. that's going to be exciting to see. also, 21 gold medals on the line today. we're going to see simone biles,

as we mentioned earlier. aly raisman also competing. will had the pools turn green again here in rio? that's to find out as well. >> the pool. >> they're swimming so fast. they're stripping the chlorine out of the pool. >> that's right. >> my man coy wire has the line of the day, and it's not even 6:20 yet. >> plethora of poseidons. >> my man. well done. all right. we're going to take a break on "new day." when we come back, the hillary clinton side of the game has its own problems. new e-mails that raise questions about overlapping, about wrongful connections between the clinton foundation and the state department. what is the response from the campaign? a closer look ahead. ♪ mapping the oceans. where we explore. protecting biodiversity. everywhere we work. defeating malaria. improving energy efficiency. developing more clean burning

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newly released e-mails from hillary clinton's time as secretary of state are raising questions about the clinton foundation's influence on the state department. the clinton campaign denying there was any conflict of interest, but donald trump is calling it pay for play. i want to bring back our panel

now. okay, so an example in one of these e-mails, maggie, that you have is coming from doug band, top adviser at the time to bill clinton, helped found the clinton global nicinitiative. he says in an e-mail to two top aides to hillary clinton, we need gilbert to speak to the substance person re lebanon. as you know, he's a key guy there and to us and is loved in lebanon. i think, you know, we expect sometimes -- i think we know that some of this goes on. this very sort of tractional behavior. but it's pulling the curtain back in a way that just confirms what people already suspect goes on in washington and what people already suspect goes on with the clintons. mpkt right. look, there is an kpaising narrative out there about the clintons that has been there for many, many years about the

overlap between the foundation and the state department. there's been a lot of criticism about this kind of interaction before. to see it there in writing is, of course, going to elicit criticism. donald trump is making the criticism that the clintons would make about him if this kind of thing showed up. and none of the explanations for it have really done much to sort of say exactly -- essentially what they're saying is you're not seeing what you think you're seeing. take our word for it. they would in the take that, again, from republicans or donald trump if that was the case. and this is the kind of thing that they had said, you know, they would not do essentially. in this agreement when she was made secretary of state, gompbigompb i -- there was a clear discussion of it. her allies say this doesn't violate any of that. i got lots of unsolicited messages from clinton allies saying this is all nothing. but a, the campaign seemed

extremely unprepared for t and b, it is clearly a story. >> how would it not be a violation of what he said, which is i'm not going to have the foundation overlap with the state department anymore? >> there's no way somebody can look at this and not see it as there was a special point of access for people involved in the foundation. and the fact that she's not involved in it and the fact that her name is not on the e-mails, again, is not an explanation that democrats would ever accept from a political opponent. and it doesn't answer anything. if you want to be president, you're the boss and you're running an organization. >> and you're talking about an aide who is the right-hand person of clinton. >> and you did a good job yesterday. yes, he works for president clinton in a personal capacity and worked for the cgi. the argument is, well, he was doing that as president clinton's assistant. that's too cute to be true. >> you are who you are.

you're unfortunately wearing both hats at the same time. >> jeff, did the campaign acknowledge they're kind of pulling a trump here? somebody shows them something and they say this is not what you're showing me right now, even though it clearly is. >> they don't acknowledge that. as maggie said, they do seem unprepared for this. the whole e-mail thing, the whole link between the foundation and the state department was actually very predictable. the obama administration back in 2009 -- i remember this very well when i was covering the early days of his white house, and the transition. they were very worried about this. they were worried about the fact that there was this potential conflict of interest with the clinton foundation and the clinton state department. we're now eight years after that fact, and these answers are still sort of troublesome here. maggie is right. of course they wouldn't accept a similar answer from the trump campaign. the reality here is the, the question is, do people care about it? do voters care about it? the sense that i'm getting is, you know, no, they don't.

more people are with bernie sanders, who famously said enough of these damn e-mails, but it does feed into the narrative that people don't trust the clintons. they always wonder if something is up with the clintons. in terms of the actual substance of these e-mails here, i've been a little stunned at how the clinton campaign says there's nothing to see here. we'll see about that. again, three months before election day, do voters care? i'm not sure that her supporters do. >> talk about the poll, brianna. >> that's right. maybe specifically it's a lot to grasp, i suppose if you're not going to spend a lot of time looking into it. when you look at what voters are asked, do you believe hillary clinton has been honest about her personal e-mail account, 27% say yes. 64% say no. she has been dishonest. this certainly is in line with how they feel about whether she's trustworthy or not. >> yeah, i think that's right, brianna. it's the kind of thing that may

not resonate with her own supporters, but it's certainly the kind of thing that could give independents who are thinking about voting for her. it's the kind of thing that could make her think twice. it does add another layer to this narrative that hillary clinton has something to hide. we're talking about e-mails that she deleted, that she wiped from her server. you know, in this case, a number of e-mails that weren't actually turned over among this investigation that, you know, she said had to do with personal things and now we're seeing that these were e-mails that had to do with the clinton foundation, with business with the state department. i think it's going to feed into this narrative that you can't trust the clintons, that they play by their own rules. donald trump is going to continue to hammer her on that. we heard it last night talking about the pay to play. >> clinton is just lucky she's running against trump. is there another chapter?

your newspaper is reporting that it was as many as 100 party officials, democratic party officials, had hacks, not just their professional accounts, their personal accounts. >> it's not clear what was breached. what is clear is julian assange of wikileaks has alluded repeatedly to having more. it's in his interest to stoke breast interest in it. we don't know what they have. certainly you assume if you have adversaries of the clintons, they're going to wait as long as they can with maximum impact. with 100 different accounts potentially breached, that's a lot of stuff. this was the criticism of the clintons when talking about russia and trump during their own convention. a lot of the democrats said privately, at the end of the day, we're still talking about e-mails and that's not a good subject for her. in that poll you just saw why. >> from april of last year.

it has been so long. maggie, sara, jeff, thank you so much to all of you. >> all right. another big story we're going to be talking about this morning, a powerful explosion that leveled an apartment complex in the suburbs of washington. dozens are injured. many of them had to jump out of windows. why did this happen? we have new details it next. she spent summer binge-watching.

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terrorist threat, killing the suspect. police told the suspect's family that he injured himself and another person when he blew up an explosive device. officers reportedly opened fire when he tried to detonate a second one. the suspect was released on bond earlier this year after an arrest in 2015 for openly supporting isis on social media. turkey's embattled president issuing an ultimatum to the u.s. over an exiled clerk. they claimed fethullah gulen was behind the coup. president erdogan says the united states must choose between their relationship and gulen. turkey considers him and his followers to be terrorists. >> a man heading to court today after police captured him scaling trump tower with ropes and suction cups, and now we know why he did it. we'll have details next on "new day."

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scaling trump tower with suction cups had many of us holding our breath. he made it all the way to the 21st floor before the nypd grabbed him through a window and pulled him inside. cnn's rachel crane is live for us at trump tower with the latest. rachel? >> reporter: brianna, we now know that this man was 19 years old from virginia. the police are not releasing his name until charges are filed or dropped. many wondering why he would do something so crazy. he had a very clear answer for that in a video that he posted on youtube. he said he was a trump supporter, and he wanted to deliver a message to the republican nominee. take a listen. >> i'm an independent researcher seeking a private audience with you to discuss an important matter. i guarantee that it is in your interest to honor this request. the reason i climbed your tower was to get your attention. if i had sought this via

conventional means, i would be much less likely to have success because you're a busy man with many responsibilities. >> reporter: now, brianna, as you pointed out, there was a massive crowd outside of trump tower yesterday watching this all unfold. also, millions of people tuned into cnn's facebook live stream of the event. certainly his goal was to get attention. he accomplished it. now it all began at around 3:30 when he began to scale this building. the police responded. they attempted to try and talk the man off the building. he insisted on trying to get to the top. the police were able to pull him into the building through a window that they removed the glass from at around 6:30. he was taken to bellevue hospital and given a psych evaluation. chris? >> all right. thank you very much. just when you think it can't get any stringer. the trump tower climber, you have the orlando father behind clinton at one event. you have mark foley behind

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there are new reasons every day we can say we've never seen an election like this. we're just telling you about this deranged kid who decided to climb trump tower yesterday. took three hours then police finally arrested him. there was also an incident involving a protesters rushing the stage at a clinton rally yesterday. sure, that happens, it just seems to happen a lot more now. that puts a focus on the challenges of protecting these presidential candidates. so let's discuss. we have retired nypd chief of the department phillip banks and former secret service agent dan. thank you for being with me this morning. one of the things that seemed bizarre, other than how locked up traffic was in the city, we understand why, but at one point, one of the officers seemed to take a picture of this

kid through a window. within like minutes, they knew who he was. they got to his social media postings and got a real profile on the kid while he was still climbing before they actually physically apprehended him. is there new technology at play in these situations? >> there's always new technology coming out. it was very important for them to know who they're dealing with. is this a kid doing a prank, or is he part of a bigger plot? he did have a backpack. the officers were unsure what was in that backpack. taking that picture, understanding who he is, doing an investigation, it determines who he is and what they need to know about him and that would establish -- >> so they have like facial recognition technology now? they can just get him within minutes. and do you have guys who are on the staff there who are skilled or trained in climbing and dealing with climbers? it seemed like they were tactically making decisions that wound up leading them to this kid's path. >> when people need help, they

call the police. when police need help, they call emergency services. they're the best trained officers, i believe, in this land. they train for various different situations. this is something they trained for. they were very confident going in there what this outcome was going to be. >> are we dealing with more of the same right now in terms of the challenges on secret service, or has the game changed for them as well? >> no, the game has definitely changed, chris. i get on the secret service from the nypd in 1999 and saw the evolution of the threat level. here's what we're seeing now. this is what i feel has contributed greatly to this growth in these number of incidents like this and the stage storming. it's the advent of social media. it's for a number of reasons. i think the most prominent one is you can become essentially a youtube or twitter celebrity overnight by doing something really stupid like climbing a building or storming a stage. you didn't have that when i got on the secret service in '99, that forum just wasn't

available. so yeah, we are seeing more of this, and i watched it in live time during my time as an agent. >> so you have operations that you have to do differently and also seems to be a level of sophistication in terms of dealing with perceived threat. like this situation with trump and what he was saying to the crowd in north carolina about the second amendment, the secret service talking to a campaign about language used. i've never heard of that before. how would that conversation go exactly? >> well, the secret service did not talk to the campaign about that. that's not what i'm getting from my sources. >> as you know, jim sciutto's got two sources that said they contacted the campaign, two different sources, high level, at the secret service. assuming it did happen, how would it go? >> yeah, listen, i love jim, but again, that's not the story i'm getting. what probably happened is donald trump has a secret service detail, so they're talking to him all the time.

he probably mentioned something in one of the armored cars or one of the limos, and i guess that's how the conversation happened. as for any formal investigation, you know, chris i was on your network about this topic. i would be absolutely stunned if they had mentioned to him anything about this in terms of any formal investigation. it would be a political decision. it would not be an investigatory one. he was not making a threat. it was clear as day. >> one thing we learned yesterday about the nbc reporter who was getting intimidated ed one of trump's events because he called her a liar in front of a huge crowd, the secret service she says helped her get to her car. is that part of the discretion of their duties? obviously they're there to protect the candidate. >> they're law enforcement agents first. the secret service does a lot of things that probably aren't in the job description on the internet. so yeah, i've seen things like that happen before.

>> dan, chief, thank you for helping us understand what we take for granted these days in watching situations get handled, even at such a high level. appreciate it very much. thanks for the job you guys do. brian brianna? >> thanks, chris. pennsylvania isn't a classic swing state. it's voted democratic in every presidential race since 1992. so why might the keystone state decide this year's election? our battleground series next.

we pay a lot of attention to national polls, but this election will likely come down to a few battleground states. donald trump trying to win over voters in pennsylvania, where the latest poll of likely voters has hillary clinton with a double-digit lead, up ten. cnn's miguel marquez has more on the ground game in the keystone state. >> reporter: as one theory goes, pennsylvania, ohio, florida, win two of the three and the keys to the white house are yours. so despite what the polls say, despite how trump is doing right now, pennsylvania is in play. >> we need all of you on the ground helping us make sure hillary clinton wins pennsylvania. >> reporter: the clinton campaign on the march big time across the keystone state. this week targeting female voters. >> i'm working as much as i can, phone banking, going door to door. >> reporter: clinton coming off a huge convention bounce already has 300 staffers here, three

dozen offices open, another dozen on the way. >> i love hillary. i think she's an incredible candidate. she's more than qualified. also, we cannot have donald trump as a president. >> reporter: trump's ground game just getting off the ground, opening his first three offices in the state this week. only about a dozen staffers, many still to be hired. the campaign relying on the rnc and its 80 staff members and more than 400 volunteers. >> if trump can just stay on message and be disciplined, which i believe he can be, i think he can yield some votes out of here. he doesn't need to win this county. he just needs to stay competitive here. >> reporter: competitive if those vote-rich philly suburbs in particular. can donald trump really be competitive across all pennsylvania? perhaps a telling sign, since early june, the clinton camp has spent over $4 million in tv advertising. the trump campaign, zero. the last time a republican

presidential contender won the state, 1988. today democrats have nearly a million more votes here than republicans, but conservatives are hopeful. despite the democratic advantage, 13 of 18 house members are republican, and both houses of its state legislature are controlled by the gop. >> this year almost anything can happen. >> reporter: this pollster says trump may be down for now, but this election, too unpredictable to be sure of anything. >> we're part of this so-called rust belt theory. win the white, blue-collar workers in pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin, and you have an electoral college mix that could get donald trump to 270. >> reporter: cheesesteak in philly attracts voters of every stripe. >> how important is it to vote this year in pennsylvania? >> very important but just make sure you don't vote for trump. >> reporter: this man was a

democrat until last march. the retired teacher now all in for trump. >> i know this for a fact. there's a lot of people that will not say they're voting for trump because he's been so demagogued by a lot of the media. >> no offense taken. >> and by hillary the last few months that you're now considered not that intelligent if you're going to vote for trump. so there's a hidden trump vote. >> reporter: but the clinton campaign is targeting conservative voters, opening offices in 12 counties won by mitt romney in 2012. why? college educate the white voters in pennsylvania prefer clinton by a whopping 30%. republicans count er they just have to find those conservatives

who sat on their hands in 2012. >> the last time mitt romney lost a state, there were 800,000 republicans that didn't vote. >> reporter: with less than three months until election day, an enormous campaign under way to get voters to the ballot box in november. trump, clinton, the vice presidential candidates and tons of their surrogates will visit the keystone state a dozen times. it's an all-out slug fest for votes here in philadelphia. brianna, chris? >> miguel marquez for us. we're following a lot of other news. let's get to it. barack hussein obama. >> words can have tremendous consequences. >> he is the founder of isis. he's the founder of isis. he founded isis. >> donald trump is dangerous. >> hillary clinton wants to decimate our second amendment. >> the latest comments from donald trump cross the line. >> nothing you can do, folks.

although, the second amendment people, maybe there is. >> katie ledecky crushing her competition, winning another gold. >> american gold medalist lilly king openly criticizing russian rival yulia efimova. >> she commented about athletes who had been busted for doping. everyone should be on the same playing field. >> can michael phelps and sooi moan biles bring home gold for team usa? >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." alisyn is off. brianna is here with me this morning. we have big news in the election. donald trump shifting into a new attack mode, accusing president obama and hillary clinton of being, quote, the founders of isis. trump dismissing claims as well that his second amendment remarks suggested violence. he's saying the media is to blame, not him, for what came out of his mouth. >> meantime, hillary clinton is facing new questions about newly released e-mails.

we have this all covered. let's begin with cnn's zaisara murray in miami. >> reporter: good morning. after a couple days of dealing with the fallout of his latest political fire storm, donald trump is looking to change the conversation. he leveled some heated attacks against president obama and hillary clinton last night, including hammering clinton over her e-mails. donald trump trying to shift the spotlight to hillary clinton's missing e-mails after a newly uncovered batch of messages raises questions about ties between the clinton foundation and the state department. >> it's called pay for play. some of these were really, really bad and illegal, if it's true. you're paying and you're getting things. >> reporter: but the fire storm trump ignited with his own words isn't going away. >> hillary wants to abolish -- essentially abolish the second amendment. by the way, and if she gets to

pick -- [ booing ] if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although, the second amendment people, maybe there is. i don't know. >> reporter: trump digging in and continuing to blame the press for twisting his remarks. >> the biggest rigger of the system is the media. the media is rigged. it's rigged. it's crooked as hell. >> reporter: the bombastic billionaire insisting he wasn't advocating violence. >> what we're talking about is political power. there's tremendous political power to save the second amendment. tremendous. and you look at -- you know, you look at the power they have in terms of votes, and that's what i was referring to. obviously that's what i was referring to. >> reporter: a secret service official tells cnn they had more than one conversation with trump's campaign on the topic. but trump disputes this, tweeting no such meeting or conversation ever happened. >> words matter, my friends.

>> reporter: all as clinton fires back on the stump. >> we witnessed the latest in a long line of casual comments from donald trump that cross the line. >> reporter: amid the uproar, trump is ramping up his attacks. >> isis is honoring president obama. >> reporter: labeling the president the founder of a terrorist group. >> he's the founder of isis. he's the founder of isis. he's the founder. he founded isis. and i would say the co-founder would be crooked hillary clinton. co-founder. >> reporter: the man who once demanded the president's birth certificate to prove his citizenship now emphasizing obama's full name. >> during the administration of barack hussein obama -- >> reporter: sitting behind trump at the rally as it all happened, disgraced ex-congressman mark foley, who

resigned in 2006 amid allegations he sent sexual e-mails and messages to teenage boys. >> how many of you people know me? a lot of you people know me. when you get those seats, you sort of know the campaign. >> reporter: as trump pounced on clinton for having a terrorist father sitting behind her this week. >> wasn't it terrible when the father of the animal that killed the wonderful people in orlando was sitting with a big smile on his face right behind hillary clinton. >> reporter: now, as donald trump looks to get back on track, he'll be campaigning across the sunshine state today, beginning here in miami. the latest battleground state polls show him running neck and neck with hillary clinton here in florida. back to you guys. >> all right, sara. i want to bring in now cnn political commentator andre bower, former lieutenant

governor of south carolina and donald trump supporter, as well as a democratic strategist and former senior adviser to bill clinton. and margaret hoover, republican consultant who does not support donald trump. to you first, andre. i want to ask you about what we heard donald trump say there. he's referring to barack hussein obama. that conjures up rhetoric that we have heard birthers, donald trump among them, use in the past, this idea -- yes, that is his name, but this idea that he's sort of not american. why is he doing that? >> you know, i don't know why he's doing it. i guess it gets some of the folks at the rally worked up. you know t does revisit the birther issue. >> is that smart? i mean, what kind of service does that do donald trump as he's trying to broaden his appeal? or as he should be trying to broaden his appeal. >> you know, i question some of

it from time to time. he got this far, and i haven't, so -- but some of it i would think we'd start moving towards a different crowd. but this is raw donald trump. he is a guy that speaks from the cuff, and stams it's very invigorating and exciting, and it does get people excited that usually don't engage in politics. but also sometimes puts you in a pickle like we've seen the last few days. >> brianna, if i can, that is a remarkably candid answer from governor bauer here. this is a show he is putting on. he's putting on a show. his narcissism is being fed by the reactions from the crowd. you can see it in that video. but what i worry about is the effect it's having on our politics, on our election. i mean, we're having an election now just a couple months away in which we will decide the future of our country. we want to be talking about the issues that matter to people. this is the greatest democracy

in the world. and here we have a candidate of a major party talking like this and making fun of people, scaring people, calling our president, the person who has been responsible for our war against terrorism and for the most part very effectively run it with military, calling him the founder of isis. it doesn't make any sense. >> this is where i absolutely beg to disagree with you, and you. you won't like what i have to say here. if donald trump is going to sort of speak ad hoc, off the cuff, at least he should litigate lines of argument that actually republicans can get behind and make a strong policy argument for, which is that when president obama left iraq expeditiously, it did create a vacuum and an opening for isis. there's a real argument there that foreign policy experts would like to argue. you and i can argue that here. >> that would be great if he was doing that. >> here's what donald trump sort of lacks. you know, he gets up there, he likes the attention, he says things for entertainment value, but what would be great is if he

used the platform to prosecute real policy disagreements between himself and hillary clinton. >> that winds up hamstringing himself because isis is a problem. when you say that the president and clinton are founders of isis, you kind of shoot yourself in the foot. >> and it's a lost opportunity. if he gets to issues, he wins this race. if he gets to jobs and the economy and where we are as a nation, he'll beat hillary clinton, but he's got to stay on that message. >> but he's a little bit of a blessing for her right now because of the second amendment stuff because of how he's dancing about different facts, he's distracting from some real issues that came up with clinton. these new e-mails that came out -- and i'm not talking about the classified e-mails. >> let's talk about them. >> i'm not understanding where the confidence is coming from. clinton said, i'm not going to have the state department do anything with the foundation anymore. we have to be better than that. then it kept happening. >> first of all, there's a

lot -- we're conflating a lot of -- >> i'm not. i'm just talking about these 44 e-mails from the state department. >> first of all, these are e-mails that have been released by the state department in response to this litigation from judicial watch, a right-wing organization that -- >> why does it matter? >> a right-wing organization that's been after hillary clinton. >> they didn't create the e-mails. they exist. even if that's how they're being revealed. >> of course, of course. >> these e-mails are create bid people very close, as close as possible to hillary clinton. >> but let's talk about what's in these e-mails. you have two e-mails that we're spending a lot of time talking about, naeeither of which is tor from hillary clinton, neither of which resulted -- >> some might argue that an e-mail to huma abedean is to hillary clinton. >> the other one is requesting a

meeting for somebody who has been very active in the nonprofit sector who wants to share information -- >> who's a big donor. >> very active. >> who also happens to be a dig donor. >> that's why they're asking. >> the meeting is with the then-sitting u.s. ambassador to lebanon. this is not -- >> brianna, you wouldn't want someone who had information about lebanon to smeet with the sitting ambassador? >> i think it's what's unseemly about this, that he's a key guy there. >> i will admit certainly that in this context and with all this other stuff about e-mails, that it's not great that these are coming out now. but if you look at them and if you look at them fairly, you will see that there is not much

here. >> margaret? >> here's what happens. and this is why republicans, many republicans, even republicans who don't like donald trump, will never, ever, ever be comfortable with hillary clinton. it is the appearance of impropriety, of taking her position that he is in from the people of this country and trading on it, trading that influence for favors for people who have written seven-figure checks to her husband and her foundation. that is incredibly, at very, very best, it is deeply -- >> i would venture to say if the russians hacked your e-mail or if judicial watch sued you for your e-mails, that you, too, would have e-mails recommending former staffers for jobs and suggesting that people meet with other people. >> no one has given me a million dollars to five million dollars to recommend somebody for a job. >> let's make a bigger point that everybody at home knows and very often insiders tend to

forget. this happens. there is an uncomfortably incestuous habit in politics where you help the people who help you. >> so transactional. >> it happens. >> but this is a 40-year pattern. [ overlapping speaking ] >> there was no meeting. >> there was a telephone call. >> the ambassador says there was no meeting. i don't have any better information. >> but there was a meeting. >> he said, i have never met nor spoken. >> we're ignoring an obvious point. you're supposed to be the best of us. that's what a president is supposed to be. what is bothersome about donald trump is that he's catering to our worst instincts, not our best. it's not a partisan -- it's just the truth, governor, and you know it. that's what he does. he's catering to it. same thing with hillary clinton. if you're doing things that

represent the worst of the process, how are you supposed to represent the best of us. >> there's a false equivalence baked into your point. >> no, each has their issues. >> that is that you have a guy out here saying all kinds of crazy stuff who is so obviously temperamentally unfit to be president -- >> for him, it's just words. she's got a pattern. >> 27% think she's telling the truth about e-mails. >> she's had a lot of people come after her for a lot of things. we'll see what the voters say. >> they just said it. 27%. >> they have not voted with it. the elections are always a contest between two people or three people. >> that's what biden says. don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative. it's unfortunate this is the basis of comparison. >> i have known hillary clinton for 25 years. i think she's fundamentally a very honest person. i think all this stuff is, you know, you have a long record, you've been in public service for a long time, i think she is very honest. i think that if you look at the

specifics here, it will not bother voters. >> let's talk about -- on a different topic, the optics of the campaign audience that's just eye onning. we saw donald trump go after hillary clinton because the father of the orlando shooting was behind her. he was wearing a red hat. as he's complaining about this or criticizing her about this, behind him is mark foley, who sent inappropriate communications to underage boys who were former congressional pages. really, just got out of congress in a very scandalous way. i don't even quite know what to say about it. it's almost unreal. >> i was a staff person on an incumbent president's campaign. there was absolutely not a possibility that every single person who appeared in the shot with the president wasn't thoroughly vetted, that they hadn't paid their parking tickets and hadn't paid their speeding tickets. >> that's because he was president at the time.

it's totally different. >> it's a lower threshold when you're running for president. by the way, corey lewandowski was on set the other night and said this would never happen in the trump campaign. loor look, it does happen. >> maybe they did want foley there. >> this is the thing. he was the congressman representing the area for many, many years. here's the symbolism that nobody is talking about. one of the reasons that was given for the massive slaughter of the republicans in 2006, it wasn't just iraq, it wasn't just hurn katrina, it was mark foley's scandal. the irony. mark foley is sitting in the background of donald trump's rally. >> poetic. also just another reflection of why more and more people are saying this is just a daunting proposition when you head into the voting booth in november about who is less bad. >> i really think it's going to

be an incredible election. we have seen nothing yet. i'm very worried that with the rhetoric and the volume and the back and forth tit-for-tat that we haven't seen anything yet. it's just going to get worse. >> if we haven't seen anything yet, we're going to need more than 24 hours in a day. i don't know how much more we can handle. gentlemen, thank you very much. margaret, as always. so hillary clinton speaking about policy, which should matter. there was a big economic speech from trump earlier in the week in detroit. now we're going to hear from clinton in detroit. one of the things that her economic plan calls for is almost $300 billion in new spending on infrastructure, and that's going to come in part from higher taxes on the rich. also alms to raise the minimum wage. to figure out how this plan will be pitched, let's get to cnn's jeff zeleny live in detroit with more. what are we expecting, my friend? >> reporter: good morning, chris. we're in mccomb county, michigan. that's home to all the reagan

democra democrats. those voters once again central to this election as they have been in other recent elections. hillary clinton going after these blue-collar workers here, trying to make her case on the economy specifically. as you said, she will be calling for the biggest increase in infrastructure and investment jobs, good paying jobs since world war ii. she will be drawing a contrast with donald trump's plan that he proposed in detroit earlier this week. specifically calling him out for what she's going to be calling the trump loophole, going right after some of his proposals that specifically benefit him and other wealthy americans here. she's also, i'm told, going to be calling his plans wildly unrealistic. so this is going to be an economic speech in two parts. part her proposals, but just as much what she's saying his plan will not work for the economy. and brianna, this is the yn here. the economy so central to this

campaign. about three weeks ago or so, donald trump had an advantage on the economy. after the conventions, as you can see here from this poll, she's now slightly overtaking him, but it's all about the economy as normal. that's why she's giving this speech here in mccomb county, michigan. >> jeff zeleny for us there outside detroit, thank you. turning to the olympic games now, katie ledecky dominating in the pool, earning another goaltender medal for the women's swim team. meantime tonight, michael phelps and gymnast simone biles are back in the spotlight. cnn's sports anchor coy wire in the spotlight for us from rio. coy, what's going on? >> reporter: brianna, a lot is going on. no doubt a lights-out performance from simone biles tonight. phelps can claim gold in the 400 im for a fourth straight olympics. let's check the medal count. usa racking them up. 32 total, 21 coming in the pool.

japan in third with 18. but it's the pool where the u.s. is dominating here in rio. young katie ledecky's neck wear game so banging she's making flavor flave jealous. swim team's youngest member just 19 years old tearing up the pool. katie ledecky strikes gold again. her teammates cheering her on as she overpowers the australians in the last leg of the 4x200-meter freestyle relay. the 19-year-old superstar claiming her fourth medal, third gold, at these rio games. ledecky is a favorite to dominate the 800-meter free still, which gets under way today. but the win overshadowed by the modern day cold war playing out in the pool. american gold medalist lilly king makes waves after openly criticizing russian rival yulia efimova for being allowed to compete despite two suspensions for doping. king telling cnn, quote, i'm glad to be a poster child for

clean sport. but king fails to qualify to compete tonight in the 200-meter breaststroke final while her russian rival earns a spot. the two are expected to face off again later this week. michael phelps aiming for his 26th olympic medal tonight going head to head with teammate and world record holder ryan lochte in the 200-meter individual medley. lochte, a 12-time olympic medalist, is the second most decorated male swimmer after phelps. >> i think for me, he brings the best out of me. we're racers. so it's meets like these that i love the most where he and i get to duke it out. >> any time i get up and race him, it's the best. >> reporter: phelps and lochte olympic roommates here in rio, so an interesting story to add.

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donald trump isn't apologizing. full stop. this time in context, he says he's not going to apologize for anything he said about second amendment supporters and the implication to any ears that he was calling for them to take action against her. let's discuss the state of play with someone in this election who understands politics. he's the editor of "commentary" magazine. long-time journalist, deep in the game. thanks for being on "new day."

good to have you here. >> thank you. >> how do you make sense of this dynamic on the trump side of the ball? we've got entrenched problems on both sides of the ball here with clinton and trump. no question about it. you hear the same thing that i do from people, which is, wow, this is like a decision for who is less bad. but this cycle of he says something, maybe casually, maybe he's aware of how it affects the crowd and is unaware or doesn't care about its broader application, then no apology and blames the media. how do you explain this? >> i think there are two things. one is a psychological question about donald trump. a lot of people in politics don't know trump and have had very little experience with him. it's all guessing. >> but you know him. you've dealt with him. >> i've dealt with him, but i don't know him. what i do know about him is that he was schooled in the art of public persuasion by a famous, notorious lawyer in new york named roy comb, who cut his

teeth on the mccarthy hearings as an aide to mccarthy and became a real power broker in new york city. she -- trump was a kid and cone was his mentor. cone said never apologize, never stop attacking, always attack, always attack, always attack. we also know that he has said that he learned something very big when in the early '80s there was a famous sports better guy named jimmy "the greek" who was on cbs who said something very offensive about women, and jimmy apologized. jimmy "the greek" lost his job and donald trump said, okay, if you apologize, you lose your job. that's the story, never apologize. that's one. the second is he thinks that what worked for him in the primaries is going to work for him in the general. he did all this, never got in trouble, and benefitted from it. he got 13 million votes in the republican primary. he needs five times that number of votes to win.

he's running the race that won him the nomination. but it's a different race. >> when he said yesterday, barack hussein obama, that's the president's name, but we know why he uses it that way. we saw him using it during the birther days. is the founder of isis. so many legitimate angles of attack. when you call him the founder, when you say isis is honoring obama -- i don't even know what that would mean, by the way. but he shoots himself in the foot. now he's lost the ability to argue against isis. >> there's a serious argument that obama pulls out of iraq, creates a vacuum, it's filled. but the problem here is that everybody on earth who is jazzed by hearing obama called barack hussein obama is already voting for him. everybody for whom the idea that obama's a muslim or he wasn't

born in the united states is already voting for him. he's -- realistically, he's at 40% in the polls. he needs a whole burch of people who aren't voting for him to vote for him. if he falls back on the greatest hits of 2011 and doesn't create new material for them to listen to, then he is, you know, he's a nostalgia act. >> another thing i want to get your read on this morning is the debate. we have rudy giuliani coming on later this morning. we just heard out of donald trump's mouth that rudy giuliani is going to be involved with the negotiating. i would have thought that donald trump would want a thousand debates with hillary clinton, that this is the moment he's been telling everybody he wants. now it seems like he's trying to find ways to duck it. what's your take on it? >> people among the 17 people who ran for office, who were debating against him, and their teams have said he didn't really like the debates. he did well in the debates. he won the republican primary debates. he didn't like them.

if you watched him in it, he got tired. he got annoyed. he would get angry. he doesn't like being attacked. nobody does. but he in particular didn't like being attacked, though he doesn't mind counterattacking. so there may be something in him that doesn't like them. second thing is, the jujitsu possibilities here for hillary are endless. if he's going to walk around saying, i need this and i need that and i need the other thing, she doesn't need the debates. the debates are arguably more dangerous for her than him. she's got all these questions she finds really difficult to answer about james comey and her e-mails and now this new story about her aide and e-mails she exchanged about possibly representing conflict of interest within the state department and the clinton foundation. so she could say, look, if he doesn't want them, i don't want them. yeah, he should be debating her every three days. that's his only hope, that you end up as one of the debate moderators and you hammer her and she doesn't answer well.

he's six to eight points behind. he's acting like he's in the lead. he's acting like he was when he canceled debates in the republican primaries. i would call it nuts, but it's not. this is who he is, and he's obviously, as we all say, he's never going to change. the problem is that what he's doing, it's not a problem if you think he shouldn't be president. what he's doing is not working. i think he's doubling down on things that are not working. >> john podhoretz, thank you. brianna? >> crossing over, republican congressman chris shaes is the latest to split with his party to support hillary clinton. we'll find out why next.

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another republican breaking with his party to support hillary clinton. we're talking about former congressman chris shays who wrote an op of ed for cnn.com

about his decision saying in part, quote, i know some republicans dislike president obama and have such a strong dislike for hillary clinton, they're willing to vote for a man who does not have the temperament, knowledge, or experience to be president. former connecticut congressman chris shays joining us now. tell us about your decision. how did you come to this conclusion that not only are you not going to support donald trump, but you are going to support hillary clinton? >> well, first off, i was strong and am a strong supporter of john kasich. he was my first choice, my second choice, my third choice. but now my conclusion is that hillary clinton is my choice. if you told me i would have said that three months ago, i would have been really surprised. so i watched the conventions. we republicans had a very dark convention. it was almost like a lynching.

you know, guilty and lock her up. i thought, this isn't the party of ronald reagan. it ain't the party i joined. and then i watched the democratic convention. hillary did all the things that reminded me why i liked her. i worked with her on the 9/11 sicknesses of these incredible people who were cleaning up the debris and trying to save lives. she came into our hearing. i was chairing the national security committee. we were in new york. she came in the hearing, sat next to the other house members, asked me one or two questions, and then spoke. she was willing to work with house republicans and democrats, and she wasn't partisan. she was solution oriented. the biggest problem we have in this country right now is our government is not working. and our founding fathers formed the constitution to help a diverse group of people find common ground. she'll do that.

>> how many people do you think are in a similar situation to you though? do you think there are a lot of republicans who are going to make this switch? >> i think there are a lot of republicans that know that donald trump is not qualified. but they represent districts where a lot of republicans, a lot of republican candidates know he's not qualified, and they are in districts where a lot of republicans in particular and maybe some unaffiliated voters are supporting him and would be really angry if they didn't support donald trump. >> you said that's not the party i joined. when you're talking about the republican party, hillary clinton sort of famously said she's said repeatedly because she was at one point a republican as a young person. she said, i didn't leave the party, the party left me. i wonder if you feel the same way about the republican party right about now. john kasich had a lot more similarities, i thought, with some of the democratic candidates than he did with many of the republican candidates. >> the one similarity he had is he wanted government to work. he's a fantastic governor in

ohio. it's almost like when ronald reagan came in, he believed in small governments like republicans do. but that got morphed into not liking our government. then it got morphed into we don't want government to work if it's bad. just one quick story. i asked a senator who was a house member, he just got into the senate, the youngest senator. i mean the newest. i said, how do you like being there? he said, i love it. i can kill anything. the senate, one senator, can stop anything. so republicans are not using government to do good things. they're just trying to not have it do anything. how do you repeal regulations? you need a law. you need to work with both sides to repeal what you've done. >> you make the case that donald trump is dangerous. >> he is dangerous. >> why do you feel he's dangerous? >> first off, he's ignorant of the world. he's ignorant of what he says. he's casual about nuclear weapons, about our adversaries.

he's giving our allies the impression that we may not be there for them. words matter, particularly for a president. and for like the head of the federal reserve. if they cough, the market goes up or down. and he doesn't have a principle that heads him in a good direction. >> did the clinton campaign reach out to you on this? i know they've been courting some republicans. >> no. i knew john podesta. i said, tell john i'd like to offer my support. he got back to me and put me in touch with someone. >> but you have not always been supportive of hillary clinton. you've had pretty harsh words for her over the years. >> i have. >> this is a bit of an about face. >> it is a bit of an about face candidly. i sat back and said, okay, what do you like about it, what don't you like. i like the fact she's smart, intelligent, hard working. i like the fact that she knows the world community. she knows the congress.

she knows the white house. and she knows the american people. i mean, she's been around a long time, out in the community. that's what i like. i don't like the fact that she pushes things to the edge. the clintons do that. . >> to the line. >> they do. and it's hurting her. i mean, she should win this thing with no close second. >> congressman, former congressman chris shays, thank you so much. really appreciate you being with us. chris? >> all right. another issue that's going to come up in this election and it matters is the intelligence assessments on isis and al qaeda. were they overly optimistic? that's what a republican-led congressional investigation, their report just concluded. is that accurate? and if so, what does it suggest? we have a national security expert weighing in next. ♪

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all right. so here are the facts. a new republican-led congressional report says that u.s. central command was overly optimistic about the war against isis and al qaeda. the report says members of sent-com ignored senior analysts and intelligence community predictions in favor of ones that simply looked better. mike rogers knows about intel. he's a cnn national security commentator and former republican chairman of the house intelligence committee. we should note that he has recently volunteered to advise the trump transition team and has signed a nondisclosure about his advice to the campaign. great to have you on the show. i want you to tell me what you told the campaign. no, kidding. >> chris, can i make one thing

clear first. most americans i don't think are even aware of this. two things. there's a campaign that runs then a transition team that runs that are very, very different. hillary clinton has a transition team. so does donald trump. they're in the same building in the federal office. it's important because one candidate is going to win. america's going to choose a candidate and when that happens, you need the best team possible surrounding either president to go in and make sure that our national security is safe and you take the reins of government. there's two separate entities. one is a transition team, one is a campaign. i don't advise the campaign. >> understand and appreciate it. hearing donald trump say that barack hussein obama and hillary clinton are the founders of isis, do those statements make any sense to you? >> well, listen, in a campaign, nothing makes sense to you anymore. but i will tell you this. one of the things that happened is decisions have consequences or lack of decisions also have consequences. so that unilateral pullout in

iraq really was the fuel for isis to develop. it didn't -- isis is not a product of any administration. george bush or barack obama. it is radical jihadism that was causing the problem. at the time, it was still affiliated with al qaeda. that power vacuum in iraq allowed al baghdadi to get out of jail. he escaped with 1500 or so of his compatriots. they went to eastern syria, and that's how isis started. but then there was a whole series of nondecisions. well, we're with going to let that go. we're not going to engage. they grew and they got stronger and they got more brutal and they held land and we all know that terrorists who hold land have the opportunity to plan operations that strike the united states and europe. and that's that series of events that i think people are ramping up the rhetoric that, you know, they praise obama. they don't like any american, but i do believe that those decisions caused isis to get stronger in eastern syria and iraq. >> so what's your take on the

basis for those decisions, what we just saw in this republican congressional report? do you believe its assessment that the people who are advising the administration picked the most rosy scenario they could to justify inaction? >> well, and i got to see both sides of it, so there's the defense intelligence side and the tactical intelligence side that you would get as a commander, sent-com, in iraq. then you have the civilian, the cia and other agencies who would put their products together to provide the assessment. as chairman at the time, there were differences of opinion. the civilian side, the cia, was saying this is a pretty bad group, it's likely to get worse. the military commanders, i think, were looking at it from a military position thinking, i think we got this, i think we can do this. i do think they were overly optimistic, clearly. that certainly has proven out. was it intentional or not? i find it hard to believe that senior military officers were intentionally misleading anyone. i do believe they thought that they could handle this thing in

spite of what the civilian side intelligence services were saying. >> is there any proof that this was manipulated by the white house or that this was all just going on within the military, not about political motivation? >> here's the thing on that, chris. i think presidents have the option or at least the people feeding in their national security council. in this case, likely pulled the things they found most favorable. i do believe that happened. i don't think they made it up. i think they found what they wanted to, and that's what was presented to the president, would lead him to say this is just the jv team. i think a whole group around him wanted to believe that. so that's what they told him. and that led to some really god-awful decisions that led to isis now being in two dozen countries operating. we have troops now, ground troops in libya trying to push them back. every state in the union of the united states has an isis investigation through the fbi office. it is a huge problem. these aren't casual mistakes that we should just fluff off.

these are serious, serious, serious decisions that were completely wrong and i think have led to the explosion of what we now know as isis operations around the world. >> last question. do you think they have it right now? >> yes and no. i think finally we're engaging. i do think we need to ramp up our special capability forces, have the ability to tag along with some of these military units that are operating in eastern syria and iraq. it's still going too slow. you have to have that disruptive moment to isis to make sure that they understand, the world understands we're not putting up with it and we'll find you where you do your command and control, you do your propaganda. we haven't done that. we can do it. we have the capability to do it. we just keep flirting around the edges. i think the administration is trying to push the ball into the next president, whoever that is, because they with it. it is hard. it is not easy. the longer it goes, the more deaths you'll see. >> mike rogers, appreciate the

perspective. also, mike rogers has many different jobs. another one, he is hosting a series called "declassified." please watch it sunday night at 10:00 p.m. it is very good. >> it is a great show, chris. drama bubbling up in the olympic pool, lilly king fails to advance to the 200 meter advance. her russian rival redid. did the rival retake its toll on king. we'll discuss that next.

we're seeing cold war rivalries reemerging in the swimming pools between lilly king. king has been very vocal about her russian rivals' past drug offenses and king failed to advance to the 200 meter final. coy wire has more and sports analyst, christine brennan. this really, christine, has taken a bit of a dramatic twist. >> it has, brianna. i think the conversation is fantastic. the bottom line here is the international olympic committee has avoided it. let the russians in. whatever you think of this issue, doping is huge in sports. this is a major problem. it is not going away. so the international olympic committee doesn't do anything about it, but a 19-year-old

indiana university sophomore does. bravo to lilly king. whatever you think about it, this is a conversation that had to happen, and this young kid did it. she'll be remembered forever because of that. >> you bring up a great point. she is so young, getting the job done. i relate this to some of the nfl. i played nine years in the league, you see these guys get suspended for sports performance enhancing drugs, get busted, hand slapped, you get a third time, i mean, you keep getting opportunities, and as clean athletes, we used to get so fed up, if you want no tolerance, make it so there is zero tolerance. you're gone. as you mentioned, 27one of the russian athletes have been banned from the sports because of their doping in the past. enough is enough. we need to do something about this.

>> it will be interesting to see if michael phelps, if he makes this a cause. if michael phelps starts to take this on, the ioc will pay attention. >> give us some context, doping, what are we talking about, steroids? what's a range of different types of manipulation that are of concern, christine? >> well, chris, as has been reported, the russians have taken it to a whole new level. this is not -- by the way, i know people are saying what about lance armstrong, barry bonds, mark mcguire, yes, doping cheats in the world, yes. the difference is, it is not state sponsored, if the russians, if we put it in u.s. terms, if it were one of the president's cabinet members, running a doping program in conjunction with the fbi and cia, and the anti-doping agency involving hundreds of american

athletes. that's what the russians did. that's why it was so egregious. i think that's something that we loss in the conversation. >> they were taking these substances, putting them in cocktails. mixing them with alcohol, giving them to the athletes to compete on a world stage and then covering up the tainted test results. the state-backed program, unprecedented in any olympic games. that's the context we're talking about. this has not been seen before. >> are people talking about in the stands? >> well, certainly in swimming, where the swimmers are booing, especially, brianna. the swimmers know, as your point, could i, about the nfl, the athletes know. they know who is cheating. they've known since 1976, calling out the east germanys, they were not just -- they were not prepared, the reporters, to acknowledge that we were in the

steroids era in sports. that's 40 years ago. now everyone is listening to lilly king, and the athletes are booing, and they've been cascading down. by the way, i feel bad that she is getting that too. bottom lienl, bottom line, if the ioc had done its job, she won't be receiving that treatment. >> she'll be part of the great change that is needed. i asked michael dwyer, two time gold medalist, he was part of the relay team, earlier in the games, he finished bronze in the 200-meter. i asked him about it. i said your teammates are speaking out. you finished behind someone who has been banned for doping, how does that make you feel. he said you know what, it stinks. but the people in power made the decisions they made, we have to deal with it. he says he can only hope we can use our collective voices and weed out all the doping we see.

>> coy, christine, hopefully lilly king not advancing doesn't mute this conversation. hopefully we'll be talking about it. thank you very much. we'll check back in a little bit. we are following a lot of news today. let's get to it. hillary wants to abolish the second amendment. nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment, maybe there is. >> words matter, my friends. >> i saw it. i heard it. i know what it froissement. >> our second amendment is under siege. >> the rhetoric is -- >> it is called pay for play. >> the media is almost as crooked as crooked hillary clinton. >> friends don't let friends vote for trump. >> american swimmer, lilly king, taking a stand against her russian rival, and all cheats.

>> katie ledecky, winning another gold. >> the americans who continue to be like a plethora. >> will team usa winning streak continue. >>announcer: this is "new day," with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. good morning, it is thursday, august 11, 8:00 in the east. we have brianna keilar, and trump ramping up his attacks on hillary clinton and barack obama. calling them the founders of isis. what do you think of that? >> well, trump is digging in over his controversial comment that second amendment people could stop hillary clinton's supreme court picks. in a moment, we'll talk with form former new york mayer, rudy giuliani. we want to begin with sara murray. sara. >> reporter: good morning, brianna. for the last couple of days, donald trump has been dealing with the fall jaout from his sed amendment comments. it is clear he is ready to change the subject.

he unloaded on president obama as well as hillary clinton, criticizing her in a very heated way about her e-mails. >> donald trump trying to shift the spotlight to hillary clinton's missing e-mails. after a newly uncovered batch of messages raises questions about ties between the clinton foundation and the state department. >> it's called pay for play. and some of these were really, really bad, and illegal. if it's true, it's illegal. you are paying and you're getting things. >> reporter: but the firestorm trump ignited with his own words isn't going away. >> hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish the second amendment. by the way, if she gets to pick -- if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is. i don't know. but. >> reporter: trump digging in

and continuing to blame the press for twisting his remarks. >> the biggest rigor of the system is the immediate yeamedi. it is rigged. crooked as hell. >> reporter: insisting he wasn't advocating violence. >> tremendous political power to save the second amendment. tremendous. you look at the power they have in terms of votes and that's what i was referring to, obviously that's what i was referring to. >> reporter: a secret service official tells cnn they had more than one conversation with trump's campaign on the topic. but trump disputes this. tweeting no such meeting or conversation ever happened. >> words matter, my friends. >> reporter: all as clinton fires back on the stump. >> we witnessed the latest in a long line of casual comments from donald trump that cross the line. >> reporter: amid the uproar, trump is upping his attacks. >> isis is honoring president

obama. >> reporter: labeling the president, the founder of a terrorist group. >> he is the founder of isis. he is the founder of isis. he is the founder. he founded isis. and i would say the co founder would be crooked hillary clinton. co-founder. zvlg >> reporter: the man who once demanded the president's birth certificate, now emphasizing his full name. >> the administration of barach hussein obama. >> reporter: sitting behind him, disgraced congressman, mark foley, sending messages to teenage boys. >> a lot of you people know me. when you get those seats, you sort of know the campaign. >> reporter: as trump pounced on

clinton for having a terrorist father sitting behind her this week. >> wasn't it terrible when the father of the animal that killed the wonder of people in orlando was sitting with a big smile on his face, right behind hillary clinton. >> reporter: now, as donald trump aims to get back on track, he'll be campaigning today across the sunshine state, sdartisdar starting right here in miami. they show him neck in neck right here in florida. >> sara, thanks for the reporting. let's discuss with rudy giuliani, an obvious trump supporter. trump just gave an interview on cnbc. here is what he said. >> he was the founder, absolutely the founder. in fact, he gets the -- in

sports, they have awards. he gets the most valuable player award. i mean she gets it too. if you look at the speech, i think you probably did. but he and hillary get the most valuable player award, having to do with iraq, and having to do with the isis situation, or as he would call it isil. he calls it isil, because nobody else does. probably wants to bother people by using a different term, and whether it is more accurate or not. >> with all the legitimate angles of attack on the current state of play with isis and the united states, why go the route of saying that president tom barrack hussein obama founded isis. he didn't found isis. isis doesn't honor obama. why say those things. >> well, first of all, what i think he is saying is legitimate political commentary, legitimate political -- >> but it's not true. >> it is true in the sense that

before obama, isis was an almost unknown small little organization. he even called it the jv. totally wrong. here is why it happened. because he withdrew the troops from iraq. general pa gener general petraeus, it wasn't in revolution, it wasn't breeding terrorists. he had gotten the support of the sunni tribes. when we pulled out and the obama administration and our secretary of state were unable to get a security of forces agreement for our troops, that's when isis formed. >> that's a legitimate argument to make, but he doesn't make that argument. he says the guy is a founder. >> that's what he means by it. >> he says you know, oh, maybe you guys can go and do something. he makes a joke that winds up becoming the story. >> it wasn't a joke. >> well, you're not saying he had serious intentions about encouraging second amendment people to do something bad?

>> of course not. no more than hillary clinton had eight years ago when she said she was going to stay in the race, because remember, kennedy was assinated. >> she was wrong. >> maybe you can do something, because you have guns. >> chris, chris, chris, he didn't encourage them to do that. he said don't vote for her. it is the clinton spin machine. >> no, it isn't. i'm not part of the clinton spin machine. >> but accepted it. >> the context i accept. he didn't say during the election. he says if she picks the judges, it is over. you can't do anything. well, maybe you can. after she is elected. you can only pick judges if you're president. >> let's play lawyer and plain language interpretation. well, maybe you can. can be a reflection on thought you had before, which is, well. >> you know what the problem is. why explain what the man comes out of his mouth every two seconds. >> because you don't give him a fair shot you take his words and parse them and take them apart.

i was on the plane with him when they called him and they said to him, they are accusing you of saying kill hillary clinton. he said what. i didn't say that. what i said was -- >> he didn't say that, you're right. i never said he did. >> he said i said don't vote for her. was open to misinterpretation. t >> if you want to misinterpret it. on the other hand -- >> the guy that -- >> the guy behind him stroked his chin. >> he looks at his wife and says ex oh -- >> you don't know what he said. oh, wow, we could go vote. >> he did not say that. he did an interview on cnn, i can't believe he said it. let's play for everybody what trumpl sai trump said. >> it is really outrageous. >> hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish the second amendment. by the way, if she gets to pick -- if she gets to pick her

judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is, i don't know. >> although the second amendment people, maybe there is. it could mean you can vote against her. that's exactly what he froissement. that -- what he meant. >> the first people to put it out, because we got it from him, the first people to put it out, a got a call on the phone, it was from the hillary clinton spin machine. all of you jumped on it and the biggest story yesterday. >> first of all, i don't think -- it is part of a pattern. he does this all the time. >> it is part of your pattern. >> no, i don't control what comes out of his mouth. the man as blacklisted me. he won't come on the show because he doesn't like answering questions about what he says. >> it is a pattern of the press exaggerating what he says. yesterday we get e-mails that demonstrate what i've been saying for four months. clinton foundation is a fraud. the clinton foundation is a

racketeering enterprise and it was a pay for play -- >> the e-mails that came out, we have covered here just as much as everything else. it doesn't mean it didn't happen. >> why isn't she being -- pay for play. >> i don't control who is being investigated. i don't control that. my job is to cover it. >> we're covering for the third day -- >> he says the media is doing this to me. the media is rigged. do you think my coverage is rigged? >> no, i don't think yours is, but a lot is. >> how is it rigged? it comes out of his mouth, and you have to apologize for it. >> i have not apologized. well, could have froissement this. >> no, i didn't say could have. i'm telling you didn't say words of violence. >> he didn't say go out and vote, did he? >> no, you say things in politics, talk for 100 hours, so you say things in a lot of ways. i was a lawyer, i argued in court, sometimes when i wanted to mack a point, i might say something is the founder of something, when the guy is the

person who helped to enable it. >> you had trouble with the media when you were mayor, sometimes you kept people out of press conferences. you never said the things he does, chanting lock them up, about the media. >> for which -- >> calling reporters liars, when he knows it is not true. >> for which he steps back and says beat her. >> yeah, that's the only time. katy tur had to be escorted by her car by secret service because the crowd turned on her because he pointed at her and said she is a liar, remember that. she is a liar. president of the united states? >> look, the coverage is not fair. if you can't see that, i can't help you. >> no politician likes the media. no politician says the media is fair to them. >> nobody, nobody brought uph l hillary's comments about bobby kennedy. >> it is all over the place. >> no it isn't. three days in the newspaper. the front page of the times

yesterday didn't have the pay for play scandal. it had three articles on donald trump, all negative and -- >> every outlet is different. i don't work for "the new york times." we've been covering it consistently. >> and new york times failed to point out in any kind of highlighted way the fact that a terrorist and the father of a terrorist was sitting behind hillary clinton and they failed to ask the question, what attracted him to her? what attracted that taliban -- >> what attracted mark foley to donald trump? >> i don't know. lots of questions were asked about that. >> not as much about the orlando father. >> he was asked about david duke, who he has never met. >> you don't think that's a legitimate question. >> hillary clinton hasn't been asked about the father yet. >> that's not true. they've been all over the campaign asking. >> her answer was thank you. her answer was thank you. >> no, just said, rudy, you just said she hasn't been asked. that's wrong. she has been asked. you know what i'm saying.

i don't understand why you support him. i get it. but you apologize and defend for him -- >> chris, i am -- >> that's putting you in an awkward position. >> you're right. you don't apologize. it might be the more honorable thing to do. >> it wouldn't be. what he meant was -- >> if you're saying it was on the media, that's not accurate. >> yes, the media -- >> it is wrong. >> media took words, that were not violent words, and the media interpreted them as violent. those words are not violent. >> other people interpreted them way, and why. because of the pattern. because of the pattern. this is what the man says. he says things that are hyperbolic and they go too far and refuses to apologize and blames the media. >> hillary clinton is trying to paint a demonic picture of donald trump, because she was

engaged in significant criminal activity. the e-mails, we know about -- >> she is beating him bowlpolls because of this behavior, but for his own temperament and actions of vakatawhat comes outs mouth. >> that day, what he was talking about was voting. what the clinton machine and the media turned it into was violence. he didn't say words of violence. >> true, you know what would have said if i asked you this question. if i said to you you know what the suggestion is, you know what you would have said. god forbid, i would never suggest that to people. i would never want anybody to do anything violent to anybody. i don't want anybody to believe that. he didn't mean it. i'm sorry if someone took it that way. let's move on. that's what you would say. why doesn't he say that. >> people are different. they can say different things. he told the truth. >> it comes across like he enjoys or he think he benefits from the anger.

>> he wasn't trying to create anger. one way he was, he was trying to create a feeling among second amendment people, you gotta keep her out of office, because if she puts a justice on the court, they reverse the private rate to bear arms. >> she actually said she doesn't want to reverse heller. and, what? what? >> i believe that, just as much as i believe she was in favor of the excel pipeline and now she is against it. if she -- if i would bet you, anything you want, that she puts a supreme court justice -- >> he said she wants to abolish the second amendment. we both know that's impossible. >> what he means by that, she wants to interpret it in a way to abolish it. >> so if he wins, is that going to be your position, he goes out, he'll say things and you'll come on and say what he actually meant. >> that doesn't confuse anyone. she will effectively abolish the

second amendment. if you reverse heller. >> she said she doesn't think heller should be reversed. >> i told you, they believe that she legitimately changed her minds over the xl pipeline. >> what does one have to do with the other? >> what it has to do with it is that nobody covers her in the same way that he is covered. her flip-flop on the xl pipeline got one story. >> who says more things that confound reason? donald trump or hillary clinton? >> hillary clinton. >> on a regular basis? >> on a regular basis. >> tapes come out of the man obviously playing his own pr machine, he says it is not me. >> no. >> the star of david thing comes out, he says it is a sheriff's star. why not just own things, say they are a mistake, move on. move on. >> some things he has said were a mistake. >> what? >> other things -- >> what? tell me one thing he has apologized for. >> he said he has said that it was a mistake, the things he said about john mccain.

he said that he -- john mccain was a hero, he should have acknowledged that, acknowledged his had heroism and public service. did he it five months ago, two months ago and a week ago. >> that's the one example you have? i don't remember him saying by the way. obviously we'll check. i don't remember him saying i apologize for what i said about john mccain. >> i didn't say -- i don't remember him saying i apologize. i do remember him saying -- >> what does that tell you, though? wouldn't you if you said something so insulting. >> i might say it was a mistake. >> you wouldn't apologize if you said that? i don't know that you would ever say, but. >> maybe i would if that were the proper circumstances. you asked me where is the time where he owned up to a mistake, he own up to a mistake. >> all the times that he doesn't, what does that mean to you? why doesn't he do it? all the situations would go away. he won't come on. he won't come on the show, rudy. >> because honestly, this is -- i know, oh, you keep saying this over and over again, the press gets so up set and very

defensive. your coverage, i don't mean you, but the press's coverage is so unfair, the pay for play, secretary of state, who revealed e-mails that put the national security of this country in jeopardy, that is a massive scandal of huge proportions. >> i'm not disagreeing with you about the need to cover it. >> rather than fighting overlain wage and what language. >> by the way, i think that you're right in terms of the strategy here. that's why i'm asking you about the strategy. i mean, he could be talking about the e-mails, instead, he is defending what's coming out of his mouth. >> what he said was certainly not criminal. what she did with the clinton foundation and all the favors the state department did for hundreds of millions of dollars is, to me, clear violation of the conflict of interest law. and i would be investigating it

right now as a racketeering enterprise, as i did a lot of wall street people. >> and if it is investigated, we'll cover it. >> i'm the person who helped contribute to -- >> we cover it and we would cover the investigation. >> there are allegations coming out day after day, e-mail after e-mail. >> we cover them. they come out on this outlet. >> not with the same vigor. not with the same tremendous emphasis. not with the same amount of time that you spend -- >> but also -- >> one thing, he says -- >> but it matters. >> why not accept his explanation? >> he didn't give one. >> yes, he did. >> he said the media is rigged. they twisted my words. this is terrible. they're terrible. >> no, he said this is what i froissement. wh -- meant. what he meant is they should vote against her. they should vote against her. >> he didn't say vote against

her. he said something that was open to interpretation. that's what started this latest round. >> everything i say is open to interpretation. you can't say -- >> that's why you have to pick your words carefully, as you did as an elected leader, because people will parse them. if you're president of the united states, it will be more so. >> what is wrong with those words? what is wrong with those words, you can do something about it, if you assume that the man is not there talking about violence? he used no words of violence. >> true. but the things he said before raises a question, it just does. his decision on another front, the taxes. are the taxes a big deal? no. but his decision to not release them now becomes a big deal, because his argument about hillary on one level, is what, transparency. you can't trust her. she won't be open with you. it is hard for him to make a compelling case when he is doing the same thing with his taxes.

why don't you advice him to release his taxing. >> whatever i advise him is between me and him. >> true. >> that's a personal decision, given all the things she has hidden, all the things she has destroyed, the fact that he is not releasing his taxes, when you have financial disclosure form which describes a great deal of his holdings. >> except the financial disclosure form rewards exaggeration. >> we had a dozen different official investigations of that issue. right? it is not like we ignored the e-mail situation, right? she gave 11 hours of open testimony on it. so it's not like nobody knows anything about it. >> sat down inappropriately with the attorney general of the united states three days before -- >> it never got to her, the head of the fbi, who you know and respect, i don't see a case to be made here. she was extremely careless. >> nobody said there was not a

case to be made. >> of course there was. otherwise he would have referred a case. >> it is not his job to make a determination -- >> that's his conclusion. >> his conclusion was she lied on a number of occasions. his conclusion was that she was extremely careless in the -- >> right, but he didn't see the case of a crime. >> and extremely careless, means grossly negligent, which violates the law. >> he would have referred the case for prosecution, but he didn't. >> as his former boss, i believe jim comey's reading of the law is completely wrong. i think it is highly suspicious on the day he said that, bill clinton was on an irplane with hillary clinton. >> do you think james comey was compromised on this situation? >> i don't know. >> that's a very heavy, heavy allegation. >> i'm not saying james comey was compromised. he might have told the attorney general or the deputy attorney general. i don't know who he told. >> told them what? >> his decision. chris, you know politics. are they going to put clinton on

the same plane with the president of the united states on the very day that the director of the fbi is going to give his report on this, if they think he is going to say -- >> who is they? >> the white house. the white house. >> the white house didn't put clinton on the plane with the attorney general. clinton made that happen. maybe that was inappropriate. >> you're not getting my point. on the day that james comey made his decision -- >> right. >> the president of the united states was going to appear with hillary clinton. >> right. >> if the white house knew that there was the possibility that there was going to be an indictment, right, the president wouldn't be there. i worked in the white house. i know that. >> how does that undermine comb me -- comey's decision. >> so what. >> there was a leak. >> do you think comey made a call that was influenced by somebody else? yes or no? >> i don't know the answer to that, i can't make the charge.

i believe he made a grossly -- >> he made a call -- >> -- wrong. >> for a year, he had his guys look into it. >> which he shouldn't are have been looking at it for years. >> i don't understand you're trying undermine the confidence in the man's decision. >> well, i do undermine, i disagree with his decision. >> you can disagree with it, but it doesn't mean it was a bad decision. >> i think it was an embarrassment to the fbi. >> there is two different things. he got it wrong, fine. but if you say and why did he get it wrong, now you're going down a path of speculation that undermines the confidence in a system that a very dangerous thing to do if you don't have any proof. >> i believe his decision -- >> was wrong. >> no, grossly inadequate. >> you don't think he made a decision for bad reason. you don't have any proof of that. >> i have no proof of that. >> that's the question. >> i'm not suggesting he made it for bad reasons. >> because it sounded like you were. that's why i'm making you clarify it.

>> i'll clarify it. i believe the decision was so wrong, i can't understand how he came to cthat conclusion. i believe he is a good man, but the decision perplexes me. it perplexes numerous fbi agents who talk to me all the time. and it embarrasses some fbi agentless. so -- agents. >> that's where it should be left. that's not what trump says. trump says, oh, it was the -- there was something wrong there. >> you read that report until the last two pages, he laid out a case for a perfect prosecution, under a statute that has a grossly negligent standard and five years in jail. >> as you well know, and again, everybody should know this about you, you were a prosecutor and a very good one, federal prosecutor, that statute is almost never used and when it is, they always look to show intent. they go way beyond gross negligence. >> as far as i can tell, the research you're able to do cases

that are declined, that statute, there has never been a violation of it at the level of which she violated it. her violation was incredible, meaning thousands and thousands and thousands -- >> none of that can be denied. what i'm saying at the end of the day, he looked at it and it wasn't a crime. >> under similar statutes, under similar statutes for which she could have been prosecuted -- >> when they've been able to show that they lied to the fbi or knowingly did what is specified -- >> she did lie. she lied to the public. >> but not to the fbi. and one is a crime. someone a crime -- i am taking it as your opinion. someone a crime, one is not a crime. >> but evidence of intent. lying to the public is evidence of intent, by the way. >> you would have to lie to the fbi to trigger the statute. i know we're in the weeds -- >> to the to trigger that statute. >> what i'm saying is you have to be careful about what you insinuate about the situation.

it undermines confidence in him, which is by the way, you get this open letter of 50 national security experts from the gop who come out and say this guy can't be president. and you kind of brush it aside and say they have it wrong. you got mike truoff, tom ridge, you know and respect these guys, and you brush aside their assessment. >> i believe they're wrong. they don't know trump the way i know trump. they don't realize and understand what trump can do for the country that hillary clinton cannot do. they're not assessing properly how hillary clinton will appoint a supreme court that will destroy a lot of the rights we have and make the next president -- >> they're talking about national security. they're talking about foreign affairs. how do they not know? what do you know that they know? >> i know him better than they do. i also assess maybe more strongly the fact that i don't want a president who has been grossly negligent with the handling of national security. i think that is a lot more

serious than all these little arguments about we're having about what trump mean it. about this or that. i have put people in jail that did far less than she did. i have done cases that are so 10% of what she did. >> but it went through the system and that's it now. >> that isn't it. i can still draw my conclusion -- >> of course you can. i'm saying in terms of the -- there is something more there, it is what it is. they went through it. they did the investigation. comey had his finding. you had 11 hours of testimony. it is baked in to voters, that's it. that's what it is. 27% of people think she is telling the truth about it. obviously it has sunk in. >> worst case for both, you get a choice between a secretary of state, who was grossly negligent in handling national security and a president who says things that you find ambiguous -- >> no, that's not the proposition.

here is why. you're right, i'll give you one part of the equation. that's your opinion. i'm not saying it is accurate. >> no, no, no, that's not my opinion. that's what comey said. comey said she was grossly -- >> extremely careless. >> if we want to use -- >> extremely careless. >> a legal definition of gross negligence. >> we both know -- it would be an extrapolation. he picked those words on purpose. >> go read the cases and definition of gross negligence. >> all right. >> it is extremely careless is one of the four definitions. >> be that as it may, on other side of the scales, not of justice in this case, but presidential politics. >> comey knows what i said. jim knows that the definition of gross negligence, because he sat through enough trials in which gross negligence -- >> look -- >> has been denined -- >> it came up, i get it, the end of the conclusion, though, he didn't see a case to bring forward. on the other side of the scale, though, is donald trump, who not once, not twice, but many, many times, undermines confidence in his ability to send across a

clear message that is not inherently hostile or divisive. the manu welcomes -- do you thik that's healthy, that encourages people to turn on the media? >> first of all -- >> would you do that? >> if you treated me the way you're treating him, you're darn right i would. and i did. when -- you i think was treated fairly as a republican mayor in new york city? >> i think no politician thinks that they are treated fairly. >> huh-huh. you treat republicans differently than you do democrats. it is just the truth. >> it is your truth. >> i know you think it is my truth. it is absolutely true. as the republican mayor of new york city, i knew i had to overperform. i knew, i knew "the new york times" would, if i raised my voice this much, would say mayor scorns out a conference. >> pop said the same thing, they bo call him a hotheaded italian,

he had to keep his temper down. he was no republican. >> that's -- >> he was no republican, right. politicians don't like the media. >> not that your dad was a hotheaded, it is true that democrats get bad coverage, but if you look at any objective analysis, the negative coverage of republicans is about three to one to the coverage of democrats. >> i don't know where that number -- >> it comes from studies. >> i'm only responsible for what i do. i don't have a media to bake. >> i'm on your show, because you're fair man. >> i respect that, and you know that i -- >> i don't think that the overwhelming majority -- >> i get it. >> of your profession is fair. >> i get what you feel. i'm just saying it is not worth our time right now. >> it is. >> no it isn't because i can't have a media conversation. there are so many different outlets. >> the american people have to make their own decision about this on influence on a media that is substantially bias against donald trump. >> not all media is the same and

i will say this to you. >> i'm not talking about you. >> donald trump causes his own coverage cycles by what comes out of his mouth. we do not have to hunt for situations. >> you do in this one. >> he presents them. the cause and inability to ever apologize for anything that he says. >> okay. if we grant all of that is true, i'll take that over an attorney general -- >> that's your decision. that's the voter's decision. >> you're asking me about my decision. i would take that over a secretary of state who is extremely careless about the use of national security information on thousands of occasions, against a secretary of state who turned the state department into a pay for play organization. >> that's your interpretation. >> well, you're asking my view. >> just to clarify, because you're very compelling. i wanted to clarify for my audience. >> why do you have to clarify. >> there is no finding. people from the foundation were

talking to people in the state department about meetings and trying to find jobs for people. >> how about a meeting for a guy with the american ambassador to lebanon, and the guy is a convicted money launderer, and he makes a one to five million dollars contribution to the clinton foundation. >> they ask for it. the ambassador says it never happened. let me ask you about something else. the debates, you're going to negotiate for trump. i would have thought trump would jump at the chance to have as many debates as possible. >> he does. >> it doesn't seem like that. he came up with this story with with the nfl. >> he'll participate in all the debates and it will be about how we do it. >> he'll do all three. these stories about he'll only do one, you don't buy it. >> he'll do all three debates. the negotiations, which the federal commission has always allowed between the candidates. >> absolutely. >> will happen about, you know,

i don't know, how big is the podium, do you wear red ties or does she wear a blue suit. >> all those things. >> all that crazy stuff they negotiate over. how much water do you put on. can you take notes, can you bring notes out. those negotiations have to take place. he has told me two weeks ago, he wants me and paul manafort to negotiate the terms of the debate. he has told us the things that are critical to him. none of them have to do with not debating. there are things he thinks are important to him and what -- and fair to him. none of them are unusual or unprecedented. there are things that have been done before. i see no reason there won't be debates. i believe that the debates are critical for him. >> yeah, i think you're right. >> i believe he needs to go above the press and talk directly to the people. there was once a headline in "news day" and they actually

figured out my strategy, after 12 months of being viciously criticized by "the new york times," in particular, and the liberal media in new york, they figured out my strategy. i was on radio and television so often that i was delivering my own message to people, because i didn't want "the new york times" saying the angry mayor, the mean mayor, the manean mayor trying take people off welfare. >> that's why we offer this platted form platform. i would encourage you to encourage him to come back. >> i am going to encourage him to come back. >> good. >> he is his best advocate when he explains himself. >> air trump should be part of the strategy. >> "new day" is open for all relevant people. >> it is also called "new day." >> thank you very much. you got it. mr. mayor, thank you for being

here, as always. >> thank you. always a pleasure. tough, but fair. what does the other side think about all of this? we will speak live with democratic congressman and clinton supporter, jim himes, next. giuliani, so how do hillar

clinton's supporters responds. how do they feel about donald trump's claims about her e-mails

being pay for play. some of these new e-mails just released by judicial watch. joining us to talk about it, we have connecticut congressman and clinton supporter, jim himes. so you were able to listen to what the former mayor said, his extensive comments. i do want to play one in particular. because he is accusing hillary clinton of breaking the law. here is what he said. >> pattern of the press exaggerating what he says and yesterday, we get e-mails that demonstrate what i've been saying for four months. that the clinton foundation is a fraud. the clinton foundation to me is a racketeering enterprise and the state department was a pay for play organization. >> all right what, is your response to that? >> you know, it is sad for me as a guy who worked in lower manhattan on 9/11, who has some good feelings for mayor giuliani, it is sad to watch him probably shred whatever political legacy he has by standing up for this guy. having the argument he had with

chris, standing up for the violent language that trump has been using not just last week but week after week after week. criminal, racketeering, fraud. that language is just so consistent with the very dangerous undermining of this country's institutions that trump himself has been doing. look, let's look at what we know about this supposed racketeering, fraud, criminal enterprise, as that former prosecutor and former new york mayor described it as. the aide asked for -- >> the top aide. >> to the clinton foundation, asked for a meeting, which apparently never happened. now, the mayor knows, as every governor knows, as every senator knows, as every congressman knows, you get these requests, and sometimes they look a little borderline. if a meeting had occurred, now this is potentially something of interest. now, by the way, look what happened to the governor of virginia, the governor of virginia is getting watches and

vacations and everything, a court does not convict or i should say a court did convict him and it was overturned and rudy giuliani is calling this criminal and racketeers. it is profoundly irresponsible. >> isn't she undermining herself and top aides, haven't they undermined her? this is what people don't like. if bill clinton is at the democratic convention, casting his wife as the change maker, this is not the kind of thing, this business as usual, that makes voters say oh, that's a change maker? >> look, every organization, you know, it is not at all clear, and in fact, it doesn't appear that secretary clinton or former president clinton knew anything about this. >> okay, i want to stop you right there, because -- >> saying that's a problem for her assumes she news. >> well, that is -- >> the meeting never occurred. >> it didn't occur, because we're talking about a meeting between donor from bill clinton and one of the founders, co-founders of cgi to get a

major donor in touch with the u.s. ambassador to lebanon. he said it did not happen. the reaction from the clinton campaign says neither of the e-mails involve the secretary or relate to the foundation's work. this is something that you're echoing. these are communications between her aides and the president's personal aide and it was for the former staffers who was not employed by the foundation. that's about this kind of looking for a job. i want to challenge you on this, because this happened on her watch. this is not someone removed from hillary clinton. this is huma abedin, responding to one of these e-mails. this is cheryl mills, this is doug band. this is the top aide to bill clinton. this is the right-hand guy for bill clinton, and the right-hand woman for hillary clinton. these are almost extensions of hillary and bill clinton. >> but again, let's use the words you used. it did not happen. okay, those are the four words

that i think would be in any way relevant to rudy giuliani's wild charges that this is racketeering, fraud, criminal. you said it your self-. it did not happen. >> the idea it could happen was normalized in these communications. it is not that they said it is not going to happen. there is record here of aides trying to set it up. >> we don't know the facts here, and so maybe huma abedin and i don't know the facts either, but the point is it didn't happen. maybe at state they were saying it's inappropriate, stall it, don't do it. >> that's not what it says. doug band e-mails, we need gilbert to speak to the substance person. as you know, he is a key guy and loved in lebanon. huma abedin, i'll talk to jeff, the u.s. ambassador to lebanon. >> the meeting never happened. if a meeting had happened, i think we're talking about legitimate allegations, not fraud, not criminal enterprise, not racketeering, none of the

wild language that rudy giuliani used, we're talking about legitimate allegations. but a meeting did not happen. so you know, to suggest that this is any of the things that rudy giuliani suggested was is just crazy. now, look, the clinton campaign and you read it, the secretary was unaware. >> sure, but i want to ask, because i only have 30 seconds. congressman shays, your predecessor is now endorsing hillary clinton. he is a republican. he said one of the things i don't like about hillary clinton, though, is that she takes it to the line. isn't this an example of that? >> again, if she had known, and if she had made a statement about it, maybe. maybe it would be. but that is not where we are. look, congressman shays said it well. he said to me in the green room. if hillary clinton had just come out and said, you know, from the start on this e-mail thing, terrible mistake, wish i hadn't done it, apologized, it probably would have gone away. i think he is right about that. but this is not, again, to -- this does not even approach what

rudy giuliani suggested it would be be. it is a pattern with threats of violence. we didn't talk about the founder of isis. think about a country of 350 million people, some of whom are running around, actually believing that the current president of the united states is the founder of an enemy of the united states. this kind of daily use of language is going to lead to violence. it is beyond irresponsible for trump and his various surrogates like giuliani to be using this language. >> congressman jim hines, well represented here on "new day." thank you for joining us. no question that donald trump likes to use the defense that the media is against him. that we twist his words. the latest example would be that's how he explain what is he said about second amendment supporters, but many journalists say they're facing a struggle when it comes to covering trump. staying objective. we're going to discuss trump's war with the media, next. you do all this research on a perfect car,

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clinton says words matter. let's discuss. we have correspondent and host of reliable sources brian stelter. and new york times magazine, jim ruttenberger. i want to start off about this piece you've written, how do you stay objective. if you're working juournalist, e would be dangerous with the united states nuclear codes, how the heck are you supposed to cover him. that's uncomfortable and unchartered territory for any non-opinion journalist i've ever known. this a different election, this cycle. >> we just saw it on this program, with, you know, a half hour almost interview rudy giuliani. there is a lot coming out of the trump campaign that creates a different relationship, right.

we just saw chris with the mayor, who is it very much a trump surrogate, where chris had to repeatedly say is that true, wait a minute. that's not accurate. so it is a different dynamic. we always do that as journali s journalists, but turned up to 11 now. >> is it healthy for people to be chanting lock them up, talking about the journalists in the room, and the answer is no. we know that deep down inside, don't we. exercising their first amendment rights by covering donald trump. the protesters can say whatever they want. they have a first amendment right. but to suggest they should be locked up, we're at the point that some of the supporters are delegitimate -- saying the election could be rigged, the judiciaries, the media, i don't know if trump is doing it systematically, but he is delegitimatizing institutions. when you're covering politics

101, rules apply. when you're not covering politics 101, they go out the window. that's where we are now. >> the same standards apply. jim, you are very smart. people should read your piece. but to me, it is trump has been simple. dealing with the aftermath of covering trump is not simple. it is frustrating. i get why people like you, brianna, out on a regular basis, katy tur, i feel for her. that would be hard to be in that crowd. i know what it's like to have trump people against you i'm okay with it. if you test somebody about what they say, that's your job. trump will make it hard for you afterwards. clinton will make it hard for you. nobody ducks a question the way clinton does. i don't means th that as a compliment. people can judge it. there is perception out there that we favor the democrats. when hillary clinton was getting ready to run and trump was getting ready to run, i said on

the show, we're doing clinton's work for her. the media is begging her to run, so she better do it already. people say you're giving her a pass. i was saying the media wanted her to be in the race. we did the same thing with trump. but people's tendencies are, you're bunch of lefty, and that means you are not going to do what -- you won't do to clinton what you're doing to trump. >> first of all, that perception exists and in many cases, for good reason. it can't be reason to not do your job when you're covering trump, to worry about the perception. we're not in pr. we're in journalism. we have to scrutinize hillary just as hard as we can. >> do you think we do? do you think the media has been equally tough on each? >> i think equally tough, yes. does trump throw up more things that need be scrutinized as a brand new want to be public figure. that's the difference. >> does it give her an add

strange -- advantage. going into that you just know when you're covering hillary clinton, that there is going to be a lot of scrutiny. but it seems like, you know, in the end, time is finite, resources are finite. if a lot of fact checking is going on with donald trump, does in some ways help her. >> i think the e-mail coverage this week is showing that clinton is being vigorously covered and fact checked. donald trump says barack obama is the founder of isis. on another level, that's a coded message suggesting the president of the united states is a traitor. that's what this is. it is a coded message. when we repeat that message and come on the air and fact check it, some people take away the idea that it is true. they hear it, and believe it. it enforces people's beliefs in some cases. i don't have the answer to that, if we talked for an hour, i don't know what we do in those scenarios.

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the biggest rigger of the system is the media. isis is honoring president obama. >> he is the founder of isis. he is the founder of isis. he is the founder. he founded isis. by the way, if she gets to pick -- if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is, i don't know. >> words matter, my friends. and good morning i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. auto we begin with a bombshell report. a grave warning from the top of his own party. the new edition of time magazine, a dripping orange character of trump with the word