how this campaign needs to be about issues americans care about. jobs, the economy, national security. this week could have been about issues with both candidates delivering big economic speeches, and yet here we are ending another week that was dominated by outrageous headline-grabbing statements by the republican nominee, and he's been repeating his latest lines of attack every chance he gets. >> i call president obama and hillary clinton the founders of isis. they're the founders. >> reporter: donald trump refusing to back down from his latest controversy. >> barack obama and hillary clinton, these are the founders of isis. >> reporter: despite growing concern within the republican party about the effect his rhetoric could have on vulnerable congressional races. >> all i have to do is stop funding the republican party. i'm the one raising the money for them. in fact, right now i'm in orlando. i'm going to a fundraiser for the republican party. so if they want to do that, they can save me a lot of time.

>> reporter: sources tell cnn that rnc chairman reince priebus denied he was considering shifting funds from trump's presidential bid to down ballot races, but he did speak to trump about his tone. this after trump spent an entire day repeating a false claim that president obama literally is the founder of isis. >> i meant he's the founder of isis. i do. he was the most valuable player. i give him the most valuable player award. >> reporter: back in february during a cnn town hall, trump placed the blame for the rise of isis squarely on the iraq war. >> the war in iraq started the whole destabilization of the middle east. it started isis. it started libya. it started syria. in all fairness, bush made the decision. >> reporter: the republican candidate also making waves this morning for saying he would allow american terror suspects to be tried at the military tribunal in guantanamo bay. >> well, i know that they want to try them in our regular court

systems, and i don't like that at all. i would say they could be tried there. that will be fine. >> reporter: as for his rival, trump continuing to raise questions about the nature of the state department's relationship with the clinton foundation. >> aren't e-mails a wonderful thing? right? what a great invention. when you go home, i'm not going to do it because if i mention it, they'll play it down. so i'm not going to mention it. >> reporter: meanwhile, clinton hitting trump's economic plan, accusing the billionaire of using his campaign to benefit the rich. >> he called for a new tax loophole. let's call it the trump loophole. >> reporter: with less than three months until election day, trump already entertaining the possibility of losing in november. >> at the end, it's either going to work or i'm going to, you know, i'm going to have a very, very nice long vacation. >> reporter: trump takes his campaign to the crucial swing state of pennsylvania today. meanwhile, hillary clinton is

stepping up the pressure on him to release his tax returns. she plans to release her 2015 returns perhaps as soon as today. and her running mate tim kaine and his wife will be releasing the last ten years of their returns. this as clinton releases a new web video featuring top republicans like senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and former gop nominee mitt romney calling on trump to release his returns. brianna, chris? >> appreciate the reporting. let's discuss. we have cnn political analyst and national political reporter for "the new york times" alex burns. cnn political commentator and congressmmmentator of time warn, errol louis. the nfl has started. let's extend the analogy. big problems on both sides of the ball. let's start with trump. it started off as his typical marketing expertise of coming up with a label to explain a more complex situation. founded isis. but now he's saying, no, no, no,

i mean it, i mean it. it is starting to raise eyebrows. maybe he does mean it. what's your take? >> chris, i think in some ways, and sort of perversely, you could see this as a step in the right direction for trump's message because he has picked a fight over an issue where voters do actually tend to like what he's saying. he's no longer fighting with a gold star family. he's now fighting with the president of the united states on the issue of terrorism and particularly the issue of isis, which polls still show voters tend to like what he has to say. but the longer he drags out that literal label of barack obama and hillary clinton founded isis, eventually it does become a distraction from the underlying issue of his criticism of their policies. >> so that's what he should do, you think, sort of adjust, errol, what he's saying? we're in day number what now of people focusing more on this from donald trump than e-mails from hillary clinton's top aides that were revealed. >> it's certainly a blown opportunity to focus on his opponent and really sort of make

some charges stick that are worth talking about. he's blowing that opportunity, in part because we heard in his interview, he's e no, ma'namores idea of simply provocatively phrasing a point, it ends up in the news cycle. >> let's listen to it. >> last night you said the president was the founder of isis. i know what you meant. you meant he created the vacuum. >> no, i meant he's the founder of isis. i do. he was the most valuable player. i gave him the most valuable player award. i give her, too, by the way. >> but he's not sympathetic to them. he hates them. >> i don't care. he was the founder. >> here's the problem. by going all in here, he has to be completely consistent over time, and he hasn't been. here's him talking in 2007 with wolf. >> how does the united states get out of this situation? is there -- >> how do they get out? they get out, that's how they get out.

declare victory and leave. i'll tell you, this country is just going to get further bogged down. they're in a civil war over there, wolf. there's nothing we're going to be able to do in a civil war. they are in a major civil war. >> this isn't just one example of him doing essentially what he's now criticizing president obama of doing, you know, leaving and creating a vacuum. he's also blamed bush in the past for being i guess what trump would call the founder of isis. so the inconsistency, a problem? >> there's so many issues on which he's not woven a straight path that i don't know that's what's going to be what hurts him. this was important for him. i think his advisers were happy not to be engaging in the fights they had been. this is not fights with his own party members. >> so pretty low bar for success though, isn't it? >> i think we've been doing that. >> you're not kicking the dog. it's been a good day. >> you work with what's in front of you. i think errol is also right. there has consistently been an opportunity to drive a message as opposed to trump just sort of

always playing defense in one form or another, either because of his own creation or because of his refusal to pull back from something or because he gets in these fights and goes down a rabbit hole. to drive a consistent message, you're going to see today that hillary clinton is going to release tax returns to be on offense against him, driving a point. the e-mails issue could resonate. he could do something with it. he's basically leaving it on the table. >> looking at the tax issue, a poll asking voters if it bothers them. it's sort of interesting what they say. 44% said it bothers them a lot. 24% said it bothers them a little. is this something you think really is going to matter come election day? >> i think it'll be an excellent point on which to sort of bog him down. hillary clinton has already been returning to it again and again and again. so his main point or one of his points against her has been, he called her crooked hillary. he says that the clinton foundation is some sort of a ponzi scheme or something like

that. he attacks her on transparency and ethics. all she has to do is say, show us your taxes, mr. trump. he has no answer. >> and the question ultimately comes down to a balancing test. i thought rudy giuliani was effective yesterday. i'll take the problems of what he says over what clinton does. the taxes, you can speculate as to why he won't release them. and what about that relativity? you think that could resonate with voters? >> it sure could, but when you talk to other republicans, they think, why do we have to balance out a guy who says these crazy things against a person who does these distasteful things. i think to maggie's point, when you look at the week that hillary clinton could have had with a different opponent, you really see the scale of the missed opportunity here for republicans. she could have spent the last four or five days just sweating

under the lights talking about these e-mails. instead, she's had an opponent who even when he's arguing about policy is doing it in such a way that it's really hard for her to dismiss him -- excuse me, really easy for her to dismiss him. >> you have an interesting piece today that's talking about the acknowledgment of donald trump, really for the first time that he might not win. you put together a string of examples that are telling. does it seem like maybe this is the reality that it's going to be very close, that maybe it's sunk in. >> i think the reality that it might not be closes is what's sinking in. that's what was striking about what he said yesterday. >> about the vacation? >> the vacation. he had a very long riff in a cnbc interview about how i'm supposed to be the one with the good ideas, and that's fine, and maybe that'll happen and maybe it won't. he has clearly relied on a

certain fact set for a long time, which is that he sees his rally crowds, he feeds off that energy, we have seen that. he gets excited about that. he's had another line yesterday saying, you know, it should translate into votes. maybe it doesn't. this is all new for him. he's a first-time candidate. he's not the first, you know, novice politician to not totally understand that these things don't always correlate. frankly, with rudy giuliani in 2007, he would get crowds and he was a huge draw. it did not really mean anything. i think that for trump, he is seeing this is not a drill. it is one poll after another showing him not just behind but something like utah i was very struck by that yesterday that he mentioned, acknowledged there's a real problematic situation there. >> people often mistake his insistence for lack of sophistication. he's very bright. he just knows what got him here. the struggle, errol, for him is change. this is a man who's always

followed his own gut to get the success he's had. he's always gotten himself out of trouble through his own lights. what does that suggest about his ability to change course no matter how big the brain is that comes to him and says you need to do more of this and less of this. >> that's right. his gut is telling him to take what's in front of him and what he knows. he watches the shows and all this stuff. he can put together, in some ways, a fairly sophisticated view of the situation he's dealing with. that worked through the primaries. this is completely different. we're talking about ten times it the scale. we're talking about voters he's never met and never heard of. people who not only weren't at his rallies but haven't been watching television, haven't been listening to radio and are nowhere on his radar. that's who most of the voters are now. so the polls are now giving him information of a kind that he can't sort of intuitively feel just on his own. so you either have to start listening to experts, which he's already decided he wasn't going to do, or you're going to be where he is, which is hit with

some information coming from a source and from places and from people that you really weren't aware of at all. >> friends, stay with us. we want to discuss the other side of the ball, what's going on with hillary clinton. she has her challenges, but we have some news. >> that's right. we have some breaking news we're following. severe turbulence on a jetblue flight sending dozens to the hospital. ryan noble is joining us now with all of the breaking details. ryan? >> yeah, a pretty frightening experience for passengers on board a yjetblue flight. the flight divert to rapid city, south dakota. 22 passengers and crew members suffering injuries. they were sent to a local hospital. people on board posting photos on social media showing injured passengers being taken off the plane on stretchers. the airline says everyone taken to the hospital was treated for minor injuries and released. jetblue confirming a new aircraft was sent to take the

passengers to sacramento. that flight is expected to arrive in about an hour. we'll have more updates for you on this story throughout the morning. >> really horrifying accounts of people flying out of their seat belts, hitting their heads. thank you. let's get to the olympic games. michael phelps and simone making history in the pool for team usa. simone biles defining perfection. her individual performance clinching another gold medal in spectacular fashion. cnn sports anchor coy wire live in rio with the highlights. what an assignment you drew, my brother. >> reporter: yeah, i got the lucky straw, chris, for sure. simone biles, though, you mentioned her. unbelievable. jaw-dropping as you're watching this juyoung lady perform. many saying this cements her legacy as the best gymnast ever after that performance. a lot of historic performances, though, yesterday. medal count continuing to stack up here. let's give it a look on your new

day. 38 for the u.s.s in total. china in second with 30. japan in third with 22. someone else making history, michael phelps continuing to shatter the olympic record books. unbelievable. michael phelps making olympics history again, surpassing olympians all the way back to ancient greece and becoming the first swimmer ever to win four consecutive gold medals in the same event. powering past his opposition and pick manager up his 22nd gold, this time in the 200-meter individual medley. >> being able to win 22 olympic gold medals, something you just dream of. i'm just living a dream come true. >> reporter: phelps beating out teammate ryan lochte, who came in fifth, nearly three seconds mind him, in what was billed as one final swim between two of team usa's most deck korated swimmers. break-out star simone manuel also making history, becoming the first african-american woman

to ever win an individual swimming event. >> this medal is not just for me. it's for a whole punch of people who have came before me and were an inspiration to me. >> reporter: manuel bringing home the gold for the united states in the 100-meter freestyle for the first time in over 30 years a record-breaking 52.7 seconds, tying with canada, in a photo finish. and simone biles, who many consider the greatest gymnast ever, with a stunning performance in the individual all-around. clinching gold number two after this gravity defying floor routine. outstanding performances from teammate aly raisman, landing her a silver medal and giving the usa a one-two finish. all right. we'll see more of simone biles later in these games as she could add another three gold medals to this already impress i have resume. there are 24 gold medals on the line today, guys. back in the pool, michael phelps

will compete in his individual event, the 100-meter butterfly. katie ledecky looking to repeat as the 800-meter freestyle olympic champ. chris, brianna, take your marks because track and field gets under way here in rio today as well. >> i love track and field. >> it's usually the most exciting. what's happened in the pool and in gymnastics has already been so much. simone manuel, the first ever. amazing. thanks, coy. coming up on "new day," ryan lochte's mom is going to talk with us about her son's friendly rivalry with michael phelps. >> so exactly what was the relationship between the state department and the clinton foundation during hillary clinton's tenure? this matters. now, there's more intrigue. the fbi wanted to launch a public corruption investigation earlier this year, so why didn't they? why did the fbi director in front of congress duck questions about this? a closer look ahead. that didn't make cars made plastics that make them lighter?

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cnn has learned that the fbi and the justice department discussed launching a public corruption case into the clinton foundation monts ago because of suspicious activity involving a foreign donor. according to a u.s. official, they decided not to pursue a

case based on prior unsubstantiated allegations and concerns that the probe would be politically motivated. let's bring back our panel. alex burns, errol louis, and maggie haberman. maggie, if they don't do it in part because it appeared to be politically motivated, not doing it could appear to be politically motivated as well. >> when you're a presidential candidate and less than three months out from election day, this is not a great set of facts to be discussing. not talking about what the disposition is of the facts, there's no world in which this headline is good for a candidate. this issue has dragged on in some form or another, preceding the e-mails server issue that emerged last year. but there have been questions and concerns about overlap between the state department and the foundation for a very long time. they've generally batted them away. they've generally said the foundation does a lot of good work, it is a charity.

it is also a very sprawling and post-presidential enterprise. >> it's a platform, right, for the clintons. >> well, look, they can point to a lot of work they have done that is real in countries that have been in need of help. they can point to a lot of things they have done that have moved the ball. it's not strictly political. the problem is we are dealing with a situation that we haven't seen before politically ever. you are dealing with a potential president who is married to a former president. they have a giant donor-based foundation, other people's donations. while she was a secretary of state involving a lot of overseas donations, there is no road map for that. so basically what people would caution them, and people did caution hillary clinton, you take the simplest road possible, the thing that will not create any questions about appearances. that is not always what they did. it doesn't mean what they did was wrong, quote/unquote. certainly doesn't mean there was any illegal activity.

but it does mean that there are questions being raised and their repeated habit has been over the years and certainly in the last three years to say these questions just aren't legitimate because this is a charity. they are legitimate. >> but if the bar is illegality, it's probably being set way too high for politics. this situation of why it wasn't investigated has never seemed simple and satisfying, errol. cnn did a great write through. you should go on and read it. it's on the website. i'm still not exactly sure why they didn't investigate it. i don't get -- it might be politically motivated to we're not going to -- since when is that a consideration? >> that's the question. since when has it been a consideration? you'd have to go back and find an analogous case in the past. you know, maggie is exactly right. we have not seen this before. on the other hand, a rational discussion of what is this analogous to, what's it like. >> shelly silver is sitting in jail right now in new york state for something very similar. we see politicians where it's

how are you making your money while you're in office. that would be the general category, right. what are you doing that's not in the furtherance of your public duties. >> well, you're talking about something under the sort of banner of honest services. we're entitled to your honest service ps. we're entitled to have you 24/7 working on your job at state department as secretary of state. we don't want your staff members sort of doing little favors. >> no conflicts. >> making little side trips, answering e-mails, trying to help somebody get a job here and there in connection with the foundation. even if they are doing good work. that is a rational conversation that would be worth having. on the other hand, we have a candidate and we have a republican party that have really sort of given that away in effect by saying, lock her up, it was illegal, it's all been rigged, and that sort of thing. that kind of broad accusation when a specific kind of analysis is called for really kind of lets the clinton campaign off the hook. >> normally this would be an issue. for instance, we now know a top

aide to hillary clinton -- really a top aide, sheryl mills. there are a few people in hillary clinton's orbit that are almost like appendages for her. that's who sheryl mills is. she actually, while working at the state department, took the train up to new york to try to help them, help the clinton foundation interview someone to be at the helm. i should say we have a statement from the campaign. they say sheryl volunteered her personal time to a charitable organization, as she has to other charities. brian fallon, the spokesman for the campaign, concluding, the idea that this poses a conflict of interest is absurd. state department saying federal employees can do this kind of thing. it just creates this question of where does the clinton foundation end and the state department begin, and why is that such an issue? >> and where would the clinton foundation end and a clinton white house begin? you're looking at the statement given regarding sheryl mills. are there other examples of her

volunteering her time in this way? paying for her own way up to new york to do a personal favor for the red cross or something like that. did that happen? brianna, i think looking ahead, if donald trump doesn't close up the polls in this race, this is potentially an issue that matters less for the election and more for staffing the clinton administration. republicans, if they lose this election, are going to want to take some kind of pound of flesh in return. you can see that in confirmation processes. you can see it in terms of their objections to people who staff the white house. >> so what are you told, maggie, about what would be the disposition of the cgi, the clinton global initiative, if hillary clinton were to win this election? does it close down? is there some kind of firewall put in place? what do they do? >> alex is exactly right. this is the question. the question is really less a retroactive question, and to errol's point, it veers into overreach when republicans are saying is lock her up and this is clearly illegal, as opposed to a conversation of this just

looks very questionable and how will this work. they have said very little about what will happen in the future. for president clinton, he sees this as his legacy work. i don't think he is going to heed calls to shut it down very easily. >> yeah, it's his baby. we'll see. maggie, errol, alex, thank you all. up next, another accident at an amusement park. a 3-year-old boy falling out of a roller coaster in pennsylvania. we'll tell you what happened next. tempur-pedic mattresses is that they contour to your body. it keeps us comfortable and asleep at night. change your sleep, change your life, change to tempur-pedic. learn how you can change your sleep by requesting a free sample of tempur material. call or click today.

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donald trump doubling down on his obvious false claim that president obama and hillary clinton are the founders of isis. listen to trump on the hugh hewitt show. hugh is trying to give trump an out. here's what he says. >> last night you said the president was the founder of isis. i know what you meant. you meant he created the vacuum, he lost the peace. >> no, i meant he's the founder of isis. i do. i give him the most valuable player award. i give her too, by the way.

>> but he's not sympathetic to them. he hates them. >> i don't care. he was the founder. >> let's discuss. retired lieutenant general mark hertling. and jeffrey lord, cnn political commentator and former reagan white house political director. he's the author of "what america needs: the case for trump." jeffrey, before you launch into a very pained defense of donald trump, i must tell you, he's watching the show. good morning, mr. trump. thank you for watching "new day." and he said that we don't get his sarcasm. that he's being sarcastic here about this, jeffrey lord. so which is it? is he saying, no, they're actually the founders, or is he doing what everybody else would do, which is being sarcastic? >> chris, let me say before i depart on my vacation to new york to long island, new yorkers, as my entire family demonstrates, have a sarcastic sense of humor.

>> really? see what i did there? >> exactly right. chris, i understand you exactly when i hear you talk because you're a new yorker. i understand donald trump. donald trump is exactly right about this. he was, to borrow from president kennedy after the bay of pigs, barack obama was the responsible officer of the government. he was in charge. it was his decision to remove those troops. it was his decision that launched what is now isis. there is no question about it. he and secoretary clinton were and are the responsible officers of this government. >> why didn't he just say that, jeffrey? one theory as to why, especially when he said barack hussein obama, was that it was a little bit of a dog whistle effect. it's a little bit of, let's make our president feel like a traitor, like he was trying to do during the birther movement. what about that whisper? >> chris, chris, kwlis. a, that's the president's name. i mean, i don't see anything wrong with it. but the point that he's making

here -- and frankly, chris, this is the american left in foreign policy since at least george mcgovern. they assured us if we got out of vietnam, there would be peace. instead, there was mass murder. on and on and on this goes. this is the stated position of the democratic party, the american left. they got to put this in practice. and now the world is a mess. it is a disaster. >> all right. let's get to the general for some perspective. now that we've talked about the political biplay here. i won't burden you with that. just for clarity's sake, in 2007, donald trump told wolf blitzer we should get out of iraq immediately, get out, declare victory and get out. and he has in the past blamed george bush for being responsible for isis. now he's saying it's president obama. what is your take on why isis exists today? if you were going to ascribe some blame. >> this gets to the point, chris. first of all, mr. trump is semantically incorrect in describing all this.

secondly, it shows he's pat eeny uninformed about the rift between the shia, sunni, and the governments in the middle east. he's also shown repeatedly the inability to understand this is a complex issue. that's part of the problem. finally, going to jeffrey's point, his ability to communicate. i'm married to a new yorker too. unfortunately, the whole world doesn't come from new york. a leadership requirement is to communicate correctly. mr. trump has failed to do that to others in the world outside of new york. and i'm one of those. but to go to the shia/sunni rift, there have been experts on your program and others that talk about who is responsible for the rise of isis. it w . this goes back decades and event centuries in terms of what has generated this problem. you know, you're talking about terrorism that relates back to the '60s, the '70s, the '80s in

this part of the world. and have different presidents contributed to this because of their actions? yes. instead, it's a complete slash and disrespect to the president. another issue that i have with him in terms of his leadership qualities. but it also appeals to a bunch of people that don't really understand how complex this issue is and the number of people like me who have fought against elements like isis. >> jeffrey, we hear -- >> chris, if i could -- >> please, go ahead. >> if i could just agree with the general on one thing. this problem does go back centuries. on september 11th, i believe, of 1683, islamic forces were at the gates of vienna, saying they were going to behead people and rape the women, et cetera, trying to take over what was then, you know, the gate of the western world. this has been going on for centuries, which is explicitly why the president's refusal to call it radical islam and deal

with its roots is so troubling. >> jeffrey, we hear that donald trump is going to give a talk of some kind about how to defeat radical islam. what do you think we're going to hear in terms of hard ideas for how to battle what is a very complicated concept? >> you know, in candid, chris, i don't know. i would just suggest this based on his performance with his economic speech the other day. he does have a series of advisers. i'm sure he will be consulting them carefully. and i'm sure it will be a very thorough presentation here of his views, which of course, you know, is what presidential candidates do. i do expect that to come, but i just want to say, you know, chris, presidents of the united states, and i worked for one, are responsible not only for their own actions but eventually there are reactions to what they do. president kennedy and one of my heroes as a kid was given much credit for averting nuclear war during the cuban missile crisis.

in fact, later, historians realized he might have instigated it with his botching of the bay of pigs, having a bad summit with khrushchev and doing nothing with the building of the berlin wall, which led khrushchev to think he could put nuclear missiles in there in the first place. what presidents do counts. president obama has been the commander in chief. he made the decision to withdraw these troops from iraq, do it the way he did. the situation is now as we find it. he's the responsible officer of the government. >> general, thank you. i appreciate the perspective on this. i'm out of time for right now. this is going to be a conversation that keeps going. thank you very much for your perspective. appreciate it. >> thank you, chris. >> brianna? >> chris, a disaster in the suburbs of washington. an explosion and a fire leveling an apartment complex. two people are dead. five others, this includes two children r still missing. the search is continuing. we'll have more straight ahead. this is the summer.

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without "good vibrations" by the beach boys. at night, the president gets down to the likes of billy holiday's "lover man" and "i get lonely" by janet jackson. >> do you see anything in this list? is there any revealed about the president? >> i was surprised by the presence of fiona apple's "criminal." just sort of a good throwback. >> what a voice. >> great song. and there's deangelo. >> eclectic. >> very eclectic. just sort of get in the mood music. >> i like to see the killers in there. >> i love the killers. they were not in there. maybe next year. >> nobody is perfect. so a busy night in the pool, including the end of a friendly rivalry. long-time teammates michael phelps and ryan lochte swimming against each other one last time. we're going to talk to lochte's mom about what really is a unique and golden friendship. sur binge-watching. soon, she'll be binge-studying. get back to great.

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the world watched michael phelps race toward his 22nd gold medal with his long-time friend and competitor, ryan lochte racing against him. phelps took the gold 200-meter individual medley with lochte finishing in fifth, but the olympian is already a winner in rio, making him the second most decorated male olympic swimmer.

joining us now is the mother of ryan lochte. congratulations. i know you must be so excited for your son as you're watching this olympic games. what has it been like to be there watching him compete? you've been at other olympic games. i wonder how you feel about this one. >> really, it was just another olympics. it was wonderful. i'm so proud to be here and that he actually made it. so we're really proud. there's no other words. his swim was okay. >> i know he may be disappointed by that swim last night, but he did win a gold with the team, which certainly is very important for him and all of his teammates. one of the things that people are looking at is just this rivalry. this is something that has dominated u.s. swimming now for

so many years. tell us about this and about how it's evolved, this partnership and this rivalry between michael phelps and your son. >> it's basically run for about 12 years, and it's great. they're friends out of the water, and in the water they're just competitors. they both love to compete. so it just makes it fun. even getting up to the starting blocks, they fool around, they joke, but once they get on the starting blocks, it's serious. and it's great. >> it is, and it's really something to behold. >> it's great for swimming too. >> and that's really the point, right. it is great for swimming. it seems like these are two athletes who have been able to push each other to a level of performance, right. >> they have. i don't think ryan would have been where he's at if it wasn't for michael and swimming against

michael. i think michael's times have gotten, you know, better in the im also because of that. so i think they both push each other, and it's wonderful, it really is. it shows that you can be friends and still compete against each other. >> yesterday, to the point where you said they make each other laugh, i know that before this race, such good friends, but they're competing for this incredibly important event where they've kind of gone back and forth between world championships and olympics. i know your son stepped on the back of michael phelps' shoe. made him laugh a little bit. we've seen a lot of michael phelps being incredibly focused, but it seems like with your son, they really have sort of a special place for each other, right. >> they do, and i don't understand it. but they seem to be getting along fantastic for these 12

years. it's sad to see it end, really. >> it certainly is. this may be the last time we see this. how do you approach that when you think about it, that this may be the last time we see what has been an incredible partnership in swimming? >> i don't know. you know, you just have to -- i don't know. i have to react when it comes. yesterday was sad. i was very happy for michael. i'm always happy that he does what he does because he's incredible. so i'm just happy that ryan is able to go close to him. >> your son has said that he may be getting out of the sport. is that right? or he's taking a break. >> i heard that yesterday for the first time, that he was taking a break. he always takes a break, really, after the olympics.

he goes with his friends and makes up for some of the stuff that he wasn't able to do during the season. i think he may be moving. if he moves, then he needs time to get everything together. >> ileana, i have to ask you, because i once dyed my hair a weird purple color. drove my mom nuts. we see your son with this sort of crazy green hair. what do you think about it? >> it was white when it started. i saw it and i almost died. then i figured, this is ryan. i can't do anything. it's better than the grills. when i first saw the grills, i thought there was something wrong with his teeth. you know, i'm getting used to him doing these crazy things

just before a championship. >> big part of his sort of performance element. >> he looks good. >> he looks great. thank you so much for joining us. we really appreciate it. congrats to your son and to you as well. >> you're so welcome. >> and we're following a lot of news, so let's get to it. president obama is the founder of isis. they must love him. he's the founder and she's right there with him. >> the press' coverage of him is so unfair. >> he wants america to work for him and his friends. >> aren't e-mails a wonderful thing? >> gold rush for team usa. phelps is now 4 for 4 at the rio games. >> simone manuel became the first african-american swimmer to win olympic gold. >> simone biles, the greatest gymnast ever. >> this was all about the gold for the red, white, and blue. >> this is "new day" with chris

cuomo and alisyn cam camerota. >> all right. up first in the election, donald trump now says he was being sarcastic when he falsely claimed president obama and hillary clinton are the founders of isis. he said it in a tweet this morning while watching this show. however, he kept doubling down when people were trying to let him say he was being sarcastic about it. it has raised concerns about the campaign, and we'll take you into those. >> mean while, e-mail questions continue to haunt hillary clinton's campaign. the latest on ties between the state department and the clinton foundation. is this a relationship that caused a conflict? let's begin with cnn's athena jones. she's live in washington for us. good morning, athena. >> good morning, brianna. here we are ending another week that has been dominated by the outrageous statements of the republican nominee. as chris just mentioned, now on twitter just a little while ago, trump seemed to walk back his latest favorite line of attack

against the president and secretary of clinton, saying he's just being sarcastic. this after repeating this over the top dig again and again all day yesterday. >> i call president obama and hillary clinton the founders of isis. they're the founders. >> reporter: donald trump refusing to back down from his latest controversy. >> barack obama and hillary clinton, these are the founders of isis. >> reporter: despite growing concern within the republican party about the effect his rhetoric could have on vulnerable congressional races. >> all i have to do is stop funding the republican party. i'm the one raising the money for them. in fact, right now i'm in orlando. i'm going to a fundraiser for the republican party. so if they want to do that, they can save me a lot of time. >> reporter: sources tell cnn that rnc chairman reince priebus denied he was considering shifting funds from trump's presidential bid to down ballot

races, but he did speak to trump about his tone. this after trump spent an entire day repeating a false claim that president obama literally is the founder of isis. >> i meant he's the founder of isis. i do. he was the most valuable player. i give him the most valuable player award. >> reporter: back in february during a cnn town hall, trump placed the blame for the rise of isis squarely on the iraq war. >> the war in iraq started the whole destabilization of the middle east. it started isis. it started libya. it started syria. in all fairness, bush made the decision. >> reporter: the republican candidate also making waves this morning for saying he would allow american terror suspects to be tried at the military

tribunal in guantanamo bay. >> well, i know that they want to try them in our regular court systems, and i don't like that at all. i would say they could be tried there. that will be fine. >> reporter: as for his rival, trump continuing to raise questions about the nature of the state department's relationship with the clinton foundation. >> aren't e-mails a wonderful thing? right? what a great invention. when you go home, i'm not going to do it because if i mention it, they'll play it down. so i'm not going to mention it. >> reporter: meanwhile, clinton hitting trump's economic plan, accusing the billionaire of using his campaign to benefit the rich. >> he called for a new tax loophole. let's call it the trump loophole. >> reporter: with less than three months until election day, trump already entertaining the possibility of losing in november. >> at the end, it's either going to work or i'm going to, you know, i'm going to have a very, very nice long vacation. >> reporter: trump takes his campaign to pennsylvania today. meanwhile, hillary clinton is stepping up the pressure to

release his tax returns. she plans to release her 2015 tax returns soon. her running mate and his wife will be releasing the last ten years of their tax returns. she's also releasing a new web video today featuring top leaders like mitch mcconnell and senator ted cruz all calling on trump to release his returns. chris? >> thank you very much. let's bring in michael cohen, executive vice president of the trump organization, special counsel to donald trump. congratulations on the birthday of your son. got to celebrate the big things. >> big 17, right. >> that's big. your boss, donald trump, tweets this morning, says i'm watching the show. you guys are missing my sarcasm. when i say founder of isis, president obama, i'm being sarcastic. but he has spent the last couple of days insisting that he's not being sarcastic. what you mean is that obama is responsible for their growth.

no, no, no, they're the founder. so what are we supposed to believe when he says something like that? >> i think the best thing is if mr. trump called in, had a conversation with you himself. >> any time. any time. the offer is open. >> there's nobody better to answer mr. trump than mr. trump. >> the question is, should people have doubts about whether or not you can take him at his word? >> i think you do take him at his word for everything. >> but that's how he got into this situation. no, i mean founder, i said founder. >> i watched your show yesterday with mayor giuliani. what he was talking about is how the mainstream media wants to pick on every single word. again, i think mr. trump will answer this question better than anybody else. i think it should be left for him to answer. >> we'll talk. i know you want to talk about the clinton e-mails. just to make a point -- >> i'll tell you what i'd really like to talk about is her -- >> we'll talk about that as well. when she calls something a mistake instead of apologizing,

we're all over it for days. >> but we're talking about when someone says they short circuited, that's about themself. mr. trump is claiming that, you know, president obama and secretary clinton are the founders of isis. what he's referring to, and he's talked about it so many times, is of course the fact that isis grew and grew out of control and is now a threat to our national security. >> but he muddied it. at the town hall, he blamed bush for isis. in 2007, he said to wolf, we should get out of iraq right now, which is now a strategy that he's criticizing in president obama. so he's been all over the place on this. >> i'm not so sure. >> you're very sure now. i just told you. >> that doesn't mean i believe that either. >> you want to see it? 2007 with wolf, here it is. >> how do they get out? you know how they get out? they get out. that's how they get out. declare victory and leave.

because i'll tell you, this country is just going to get further bogged down. they're in a civil war over there, wolf. there's nothing that we're going to be able to do with a civil war. they are in a major civil war. >> get out, that's what he's criticizing about obama. >> but i don't think you saw the beginning. what he was talking about is economically it is a disaster to the united states, spending trillions of dollars that we do not have. >> fine. that's a rationale for getting out. now he's saying it was a big mistake. >> but the clip is not in its entirety. it's a little unfair because, yes, maybe three or four seconds of that clip proves the point, but it doesn't prove what you're saying. >> getting out was either right or wrong. he says it was wrong. there he said it was right. >> the question i believe was about the fact that economically it was destroying this country. what mr. trump has always said is make america great again and putting america first. we can't afford to be the protectors of the world. they should pay us back, which

is what he was always talking about. take the oil. he was talking about, you know, yes, get out because we were losing soldiers. our american children, our soldiers, our money is all being depleted and wasted on protecting a country that probably really didn't even want us there. >> money is always a consideration in these things. we always refer to blood and treasure. sometimes there are certain things that are more important than money. those are decisions a president has to make. the question is -- >> not when you're $20 trillion now in debt and you have a secretary clinton who's sitting there and wanting to in her new plan talk about a $1.2 trillion increase to our already existing deficit. it's insane. >> and the test for both of these candidates is what do you want to do and how are you going pay for it. part of assessing that is when you tell me something, can i say, all right, that's what it is. michael just said what it is. i know.

>> you mean mr. trump. >> that's what this founder thing is about. at the town hall with anderson, he said bush is to blame for isis. now he says obama is the founder of isis, which is several things. one, false. he's not the founder of isis. everybody knows that. two, it is inconsistent with what he has said in the past. and third, and this would be the worst implication, is that by saying barack hussein obama is the founder of isis, it feeds into a narrative that trump has been part of before, which is trying to undermine the credibility of president obama as a patriot, as an american. >> let's also not forget who it was that was the original birther in the movement. it was the clintons during the last campaign. they're the ones that started the entire birth certificate issue. fmpblt that we >> if that were true -- for the sake of the argument, i'll give it to you. there's plenty of argument to be had there. does that make trump doing it right? >> i don't know -- >> if somebody else was doing

it, does it make it right? >> when mr. trump first started speaking about the birther, it was a reporter that asked, what do you think about it? i don't know if he is or isn't. >> you know he loved it and he never backed off. now he won't talk about it. >> he's not the one whoed a advantagesed it. the media advanced it because it came from donald trump. i think only mr. trump can answer and will answer for his tweet. >> he's welcome on the show. he's said he won't come on to talk to me. >> i don't think that's true. >> you don't think what's true? >> that he won't talk to you. >> then why hasn't he come on? >> he's been busy doing other things like campaigning. >> i like your explanation. i take your explanation as true. i hope we can schedule it very soon. >> i'll work on it as soon as i see him. >> thank you very much. so you want to talk about economics. let's do so. what do you hear in the clinton plan that you think is worthy of criticism and that shows donald trump is a better choice for president? >> first of all, hillary clinton has never created a job for anyone other than her daughter

through the clinton foundation. this e-mail scandal is something i believe that the media, while you'll tell me that you have spent an enormous amount of time on it, i think you've spent more time on the gentleman that was climbing trump tower than they did on these e-mails. this goes to the heart. she talks about temperament. mr. trump has exactly the temperament that the united states of america needs right now in order to put it back together. she hits all the buzz words last night. her speech writers are fantastic. the problem though is it lacks authenticity and lacks any sense of reality. she talks about we're going to create jobs. this woman has never created a single job in her entire life. donald trump, tens and tens of thousands. his economic group that he's put together, millions of jobs around not just this country but around the world. we also talk about d-- >> is it a straight line analogy to say he created jobs in the private sector, therefore he

knows how to do it in the public sector. it's very different. >> why is it different? >> one, you're doing it on a curve of profitability. >> america needs to be profitable. how else are we going to reduce our debt? >> understood, but government is not run like a business. you do a lot of services through government because the private sector won't do them because you can't make money doing them. >> what about public/private partnerships? >> very good. >> something mr. trump is also extremely well versed at. >> how is he well versed at public/private partnerships? just so people understand. >> he's been involved in public/private partnerships. even the ferry golf project is a public/private pickup. going back to her speech writers, she talks about mr. trump is negative, mr. trump is pessimistic. we're really not that bad. she starts to talk about her dad that owned a lace company. 50% of the people she's talking to out there in the public, they don't own their own company. actually, they may not even have

a job at the present moment despite our 4.9% unemployment rate, which i have to agree with mr. trump emphatically upon, it's absolutely inaccurate. when you travel the country and you speak to people, they don't have the jobs. >> it's not inaccurate. you're saying that it doesn't tell the whole story. >> it does not tell even part of the story. >> the number is what it is. >> the number is made up. it's made up in order to make people feel good. >> hold on a second. the number is not made up. >> it is made up. >> you can argue that you should look at labor participation or you can look at underemployment, but don't say that 4.9 is fake. >> there's an old expression. numbers don't lie, people do. it's how they manipulate the numbers in order to make the american people feel good. why? because she thinks it's going to then say, well, we're going to continue with the barack obama policies, which i believe have failed this country, and that's going to be her ticket into the white house. she starts talking about mr. trump's temperament. again, he is exactly what this

country needs. >> how and why? >> because he's a natural born deal maker. that's what this country needs. our nafta is a disaster. we need to start making money from being the united states of america one way or the other. just as everybody else. >> but is she wrong when she suggests he is negative in saying that america is in a terrible situation? >> america is in a terrible situation. our infrastructure -- >> you think america is the greatest country in the world? >> absolutely, but we have so much potential to be so much more. and we have to be more. if america is not great and america is not strong, the world is not strong. we're a moral country. >> so you think america is the best country in the world, but you don't think it's great? >> okay. that's not what i'm saying. >> i think message matters. not for us so much. you're counsel, i'm a journalist. but when you're president of the united states, the message you put out matters. we were in rough shape when president reagan said we're a shining city on a hill. why?

he wanted to put america at its best. >> you can't drop pixie dust on the american people's heads and tell them this is their fairy land. we are a great country. we have tremendous opportunity and possibilities. but we are not taking advantage of it because we don't have the leadership, and we need to be better, not just for ourselves but for the whole world. when america's strong, the world is strong. >> true. >> because that's who we are as a country. we need somebody, an outsider, who's not, you know, going to bow his head to foreign leaders, who's not going to allow special interest donors to control him. no one will control donald trump. >> a little cozy to putin for a guy who doesn't want to bow his head. >> vladimir putin is not a donor to vladimir putin. and by the way, we better get along with russia because we need russia in order to defeat isis and in order to stabilize the world. we can't go back to cold war

situation where they're bad, we're good. we've become a global world. we're not just the united states of america anymore. we are involved in the world. we need vladimir putin in order to help. >> michael cohen, counsel, always making a strong case for donald trump. appreciate you on "new day." >> thank you. >> please tell the boss he's welcome on the show whenever he wants. >> when i see him this morning. >> thank you very much, sir. brianna? >> open invite, that's right, chris. new e-mails shedding light on the relationship between the clinton foundation and the state department under hillary clinton. was it too cozy, and could this damage clinton now? we will be hearing from a clinton supporter next. i work as a professional mountain guide the surface pro 4 is the most powerful computer i've ever used

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donald trump now claims he was being sarcastic when he falsely claimed president obama and hillary clinton were the co-founders of isis. this amid questions about the ties between the state department and the clinton foundation. joining us now to talk more about this is democratic congressman from massachusetts seth molten. he's an iraq war veteran.

he's also endorsed hillary clinton. congressman, thanks so much for being with us. >> it's good to be here. >> you bring a unique perspective to this. you're a marine veteran. you served four tours in iraq doing counterinsurgency there. when you hear donald trump say this, just react to this because he was very adamant about the fact that hillary clinton and president obama are the founders of isis and yet now he's saying that he's being sarcastic. >> you know, donald trump has shown that he lies every single day. then the next day he tries to claim it was sarcasm. he's completely reckless and unfit to be our commander in chief. i mean, what happens when he presses the nuclear button and then the next day says, oh, i'm sorry, i was just being sarcastic. it's ridiculous that we're even talking about someone like this being our commander in chief. and it's dangerous for our troops. let me tell you how this plays out on the ground in the middle east. i was visiting the troops in

iraq and afghanistan. these troops have to work every sing l day with our afghan and iraqi partners. we're making shue ining sure th fight to isis themselves. when trump claims america is the founder of isis, that's something that isis uses against us. that's something that isis uses to recruit fighters, to recruit terrorists, to attack american troops. it makes the work of our troops harder. and it just shows that trump has absolutely no idea what it takes to fight isis, what it takes to be commander in chief, and he has certainly no clue what it means to put your life on the line for our country. >> he's making a point, certainly not subtly, but he's also making a point that many critics of president obama's have made, which is that pulling out of iraq so quickly and so totally left a vacuum that isis was able to fill. it's been different in afghanistan. he's kept troop levels there. does he have a point, though,

that there was a vulnerability created by this administration? you're someone who did counterinsurgency, trying to make sure iraqi forces were ready to go, only to see american forces leave and sort of some of that work thrown away. is there a point that there should be this criticism of the obama policy on iraq? >> look, i've been someone who myself has said that we've made some mistakes in iraq. but trump has no plan to fix them. president obama has shown that he knows how to fix the problem. that's why he's kept troop levels where they are in afghanistan and that's why i've been pressuring him to make sure we have a political plan to ensure the peace. it's not enough just to kill isis fighters because they can recruit more. trump has no plan to defeat isis. he says he has this super secret plan to defeat isis, and yet he won't even tell anyone what it is. so he's totally unprepared to take on this fight. just by the statements he's making on the campaign trail, he

is helping recruit terrorists o fight against our troops every single day. >> he does have a lot of support from veterans though. certainly some veterans support hillary clinton, but i think it's fair to say that a large chunk of them are supporting donald trump. what do you make of that? >> well, actually, i saw some statistics that veterans are donating a lot more money to secretary clinton's campaign because we know that secretary clinton is respected around the world. look, veterans are a diverse group of people. i would never claim to speak for all veterans. but when i was visiting the troops in the middle east, i had several troops, quite a few actually, come up to me and say they wanted to know my opinion about the election because they're concerned about what donald trump is saying on the campaign trail every day. you know, i was on a trip with republicans, with colleagues on the armed services committee. in fact, i was the only democrat there. i make a very important point of not trying to turn these things into political trips.

but the troops came to me because they were concerned about the things that trump is saying and how it hurts their work every single day on the ground in iraq and afghanistan. >> you are for hillary clinton. she's struggling right now when it comes to her e-mails. we know from new e-mails there's really quite a bit of an overlap between the clinton foundation and the state department when she was at the helm of the state department. you have a majority of americans who don't believe that she is honest about her e-mails. how does she shake that, and how does she, i guess, turn away from what are really bad optics for her? >> look, this is all a republican ploy to make a big deal out of nothing. the justice department, director comey, said there was no intentional wrongdoing with her e-mails. she alone -- she herself has admitted that she made some mistakes, but we're moving on from that. what the trump campaign is

trying to do is distract attention from the fact that he's -- >> is it just created by republicans? i mean, i look at it, the facts of the case, and i think there's something there that should be scrutinized. is it really just republicans piling on, or is it fair questions? >> look, it has been scrutinized. it has been scrutinized. it's been concluded that there was no intentional wrongdoing. that's what director comey said himself. the fact we continue to talk about this and distract attention from the important priorities of the day, the fact that trump has an economic plan that senator kaine's own former republican economic adviser says will put us into a recession and cut 3.5 million american worker jobs, that's a real problem. and in tthe trump campaign does have an answer to that. so they're just trying to focus attention back on secretary clinton's e-mails.

secretary clinton has an economic plan that will grow the middle class. she believes the engine of economic growth in america is the middle class in america. trump believes the engine of economic growth is his billionaire pals on wall street and that's why his economic plan includes the trump tax loophole, and other tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. so what do you do when you have a situation like that and you're donald trump, where your economic plan is going to put the country into a recession, when your plan to defeat isis has no substance whatsoever and in fact is being used by isis to recruit attackers against american troops. you try to talk about hillary clinton's e-mails because that's the only argument he can make. we have to realize we have an important future ahead of us. we've got to grow the economy here at home, and we've got to defeat isis abroad. secretary clinton has a plan to do both. donald trump does not. that's the only reason why he's talking about these old e-mails. >> congressman, thanks for being with us. we appreciate your time.

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all right. so donald trump tweeted this morning watching "new day," said i'm being sarcastic about the founder thing, don't you get it. the problem is for the last couple days he's been insisting he was not being sarcastic that president obama and secretary clinton founded isis. what does that mean about whether or not we can take trump at his word? that's a big question when it comes to being president. let's discuss with our panel. cnn political commentators hilary rosen and margaret hoover and form ee eer new york govern betsy mccoy. so you're an adviser to donald trump. i'm sure it's not a decision you

made lightly. why do you believe he should be believed? >> well, i'm very much behind donald trump because he has the best economic plan to restore growth in this country. and that's been my focus. on isis, i think there's too much parsing going on. i'll give you an example. yesterday mrs. clinton gave a major economic speech in michigan. she said we need more building going on. we need to be builders. she's absolutely right, and there is a builder in the race but it isn't mrs. clinton. she's the blabber. she's the one who gives speeches for a living. the real builder in the race is donald trump. >> but can he be trusted? >> i can't believe that you're asking that about donald trump instead of hillary clinton, who's been under fbi investigation. >> you know, i think a lot of people would agree with you on that question, but it's a valid one. she has major trust issues, and i don't know of any other candidate who would have given her a run for her money on that

compared to donald trump. >> but his isn't about his conduct. you're simply parsing his words. what i'm suggesting is donald trump saying obama and hillary created isis, it obviously was some sort of shorthand for a very complex history of the problems in the middle east. yesterday when mrs. clinton said we need builders and represented herself as a builder, no one questioned her when she clearly is not the builder in the race. >> hilary, what do you want to say? >> when you're the president of the united states, words matter. so you're in the national security meeting at 8:00 a.m. in the morning. all of a sudden your advisers come in, i don't understand, why are they bombing us? well, sir, mr. president, yesterday you said you were going to bomb them. i was kidding, he says. you know that, just doesn't fly. >> oh, that's ridiculous. >> no, no. it is not ridiculous.

you cannot make -- encourage russians to invade american servers and say the next day just kidding. you cannot accuse the president of the united states -- >> let me point out -- >> let me finish. i let you talk. you cannot accuse the president of the united states of founding a terrorist group when you yourself had been advocating the very same policies the president did. then two days later when you're finally sick of the media calling you on it saying, i was being sarcastic. this is not what presidential leadership is about. the first job of being president is being a thoughtful, responsible commander in chief. he is failing that test daily. >> let me point this out. yesterday mrs. clinton claimed that she would create 10 million jobs. it reminded me of a similar claim she made when she ran for the new york state senate in the year 2000. i was there. she came to upstate new york, a region beleaguered by job losses, as you well know, chris. she claimed she would create

200,000 jobs. she ran a tv ad just before the election making that claim. yet, over the eight years as she sat in the senate, none of these jobs materialized. in fact, manufacturing jobs upstate that beleaguered region, plunged 24% while mrs. clinton was in the senate. so someone raised the issue, how credible are mrs. clinton's economic claims? so far, they're absolutely untrue. >> it's an issue that exists on both sides. what do you think? >> the lieutenant governor is doing work here butting good voice and good reason to donald trump's position. and this is the challenge. in this new environment, you have trump supporters who are far more articulate at espousing his positions and putting the policy beef on the bones, i think. the challenge they run up against is they have a candidate who forget about what he knows about the issues or how

extensive his policy depth is, he has reinforced the narrative that he's completely erratic and has a failure to -- forget about have a core set of beliefs he can stick with. how about stick with a consistent line of reasoning. the truth is that is disconcerting to many independent leaning voters, republican voters who simply don't see the depth of knowledge or character for the person who is presenting themselves to be the next president of the united states and it's deeply troubling. >> when the star of david goes out, there's anti-semitic reference to that. no, it's a sheriff's star. she wants to get rid of the second amendment. fact check, no, she doesn't. we see this, you know, one after another. the founder of isis, even if it's a turn of phrase, it follows so many -- and he was given a dozen opportunities to clarify that, put some meat on the bones, add context.

he didn't. just that simple repeated act of saying, this is true and no, it's not. what does that do? >> here's the problem. hill lay says words are important. yes, words are important. but you know what's even more important? having a consistent core belief and the political courage to stand by it. so in the context of 2007 and the surge and whether we were going to get out of iraq expeditiously or stay in, george w. bush made an unpopular decision to double down in iraq and institute a surge policy, which ended up stabilizing the country and forcing a kind of pluralism that iraq hadn't seen before and hasn't seen since. it was a courageous thing to do. it proved successful in the eyes of history. one must ask themselves if we have seen the kind of behavior from donald trump that demonstrates he would have that kind of political courage under fire, let alone the ability to consistently stick with one argument or line of reasoning. and that, i think, is what these debates are revealing.

it's not just his failure to consistently be careful about his words. does he have the ability to go even further and actually be a leader that can stand in tough times. >> betsy, this isn't new to you. you hear from supporters all the time who are close to trump, he's going to change. he's just doing this now because it works for him right now. but he's going to pivot. >> i do hear it often, chris. but i also at the same time hear very reckless rhetoric on the other side, which concerns me greatly. for example, hillary clinton crisscrosses the country telling people that they are the victims of systemic racism. in the speech yesterday in michigan, she portrayed the republicans as victimizing the poor. you heard it, the class rhetoric. these are tax cuts only for the rich. when in fact the purpose of trump's tax cuts is to renew economic opportunity and jobs. who will benefit the most? poor people who don't want to be poor forever. they want jobs for themselves

and for their children. when you look at the record, under president obama, poverty has increased enormously. 14% of our population is now living in poverty. that's 8 million more people than when he took office. and 9 out of 10 african-american children are now getting food stamps. that's the democrats. >> i do want to give hilary the final word here. >> well, here's the point. i think that hillary clinton would welcome a conversation on the issue. i think she welcomes that in the debate. but you cannot have a policy discussion with donald trump the way that betsy was trying to have. what you have is a series of throw downs and a series of attacks. so hillary clinton yesterday laid out an economic plan, how she was going to support investment and infrastructure, how she was going to focus on middle class jobs rather than the tax cuts that betsy is talking about, which will create trickledown and we know don't

work. let's have this conversation on the issues. hillary clinton wants a conversation on the issues. donald trump wants to be wild and insulting. >> clinton is invited on the show. trump is invited on the show. when the they won't, we can't. betsy, you're always invited back. hilary as well. it's an important conversation to have. the election matters. thank you for being here today. all right. so donald trump, one of the things he likes to say when he gets into situations like this is, this second base about you, the media. you're twisting my words. you're nitpicking me because you don't want me to win. will attacking the press pay off in the long run? we'll discuss next. migraines aren't just bad headaches. they steal moments from my life. that's why i use excedrin. it starts to relieve migraine pain in just 30 minutes.

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donald trump is lashing outs at the media again in a new tweet saying that we don't get sarcasm after coming under fire for falsely claiming that president obama is the founder of isis. here to discuss, we have brian stelter, cnn senior media correspondent and the host of "reliable sources." we also have author and cnn media analyst bill carter. so bill, you look at this tweet, i mean, it seems like -- >> yes. >> he talked to hugh hewitt. he talked in interviews. he followed up in an event publicly where he seemed to be saying, founder of isis, co-founder. hugh hewitt trying to kind of say -- he opens the door, doesn't walk through it, and now it's sarcasm. >> that seems to be now the operative move if it's not going well. he's tried that before saying, oh, i was only kidding. it was sarcasm. really, it's because people get,

you know, on him for it and eventually he seems to realize maybe that was a mistake. somebody maybe is in his ear saying it's not playing, it's not playing well. but it sounds silly in a way after you've done it three or four times and have been given an opportunity to say, i was only kidding. then to say it, it just seems like you really aren't committed to it. >> what do you think? >> the press sometimes does play into donald trump's hands by blowing something out of proportion, by making it seem like it was over the top, and by making it seem like the media is out to get him. he can take advantage of those opportunities. but we are talking about something really fundamental here. we're talking about the world's most dangerous terrorist group. it wouldn't seem appropriate to be sarcastic about something like that. if he's going to, say he's joking. this is the kind of thing you do with your wife. if i say something inappropriate that offends her, i say i was just kidding, honey. we all e no how this works. we're all in on this joke. but we're talking about something really serious. i'm glad the press is holding him to account. >> you have to think to

yourself, if you're a president and you do that, you can't the next day after the market has dropped 500 points or something say, that was actually a joke. >> but all of this, he's going to say, is liberal media bias. every time he attacks the media, he's giving himself a vaccine. he's vaccinating himself. >> and yes, he may be, but i also -- i have always thought candidates, democratic or republican, when i hear them start to turn on the press, i don't think it's generally coming from a place of strength. >> no, usually you're in trouble when you attack the press. usually it's because the stories are negative and it's too harsh. the thing about trump is it's ironic. he played the press to effectively, and the big criticism during the primary was there's too much attention on trump. there's too many minutes, all the people counting the minutes. he keeps doing things to generate those minutes every time he gives a speech, there's some provocative thing he says. that keeps the cycle going. >> it seems like the press was chasing him before and now it seems to be a little bit more of a two-way street. i do want to play something that

former mayor of new york city, rudy giuliani, what he said on day." >> you don't give him a fair shot you parse his words and take them apart. i was on the plane with him and they said they're accusing you of saying, kill hillary clinton. he said what. i didn't say that. >> the comments, having to do with -- >> the second amendment. >> people, maybe you can do something about it. >> is he getting a fair shot from the media, do you think? >> i think he is getting a legitimate critical shot yes, he is being criticized, but some of the things he says are outrageous. if you make that comment, it is going to get reaction. if hillary clinton says something like that she'll be scrutinized and slammed for it. he does it because he does more off-the-cuff talking. he is not strictly limiting himself to his comments. and it is opening the door to this, yes, i think you've done

this. you know the press is now saying we have to really look at this guy seriously. there is a lot going on with this candidate we've never seen before. it is a real challenge for the media i think. >> to treat him like normal would fail the audience, because he is abnormal. in some ways, it is wonderful. >> explain that. >> meaning, well, he is not a politician, comes from a different world. he has different standards for what he'll say and won't say. he engages with the audience. he uses entertainment values. >> and that's effective for him. >> it is not a professional campaign the way clinton has with hundreds of staffers. he is trying to build it up, but lots of things that are different about the campaign. that's why sometimes the coverage doesn't seem fair. if you're talking about 50% for both, that's not the way the campaign can be covered, because he is so unusual. >> great point. bill, brian, thank you so much to both of you. really appreciate it. if the election is wrong with what's is wrong with america, the olympics is all that is right.

team usa is dominating the pool in rio. michael phelps and now simone manual, making history of the best kind. we have a former olympian, with her take about what has been happening in the pool. u.s. swimming gold medalist, dara torres, joins us next, live i'm a fine arts major. nobody really believes that i take notes this way, but they actually make sense to me. i try to balance my studying with the typical college experience. this windows pc is a life saver! being able to pull up different articles to different parts of the screen is so convenient. i used to be a mac user but this is way better.

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so much winning, you could almost get sick of it. na. team usa, dominating the waters, breaking record after record. last night, michael phelps, and now simone manuel, making history in the pool, adding to the u.s. lead in the olympic medal count. let's get perspective. 12-time olympic medalist, dara torres, a champ in her own right, joining us. great to have you with us. thank you for how you've represented the country. what do you see in the achievements of phelps, the team overall, and now simone manuel? >> well, you say 12-time olympic medalist, yes that's nothing compared to phelps and ledecky too. team usa is doing an awesome job, michael phelps has won ten races in seven days. he is on fire.

katie ledecky has 800 free tonight. the great thing, you talk about simone manuel, it had been 32 years since an american has won the 100 freestyle. that was back in 1984, my first olympic games. you see the veterans, but also a lot of first time olympians. it has been wonderful. almost against michael phelps is tom shields, a team might of mine on team kelloggs. so many new athletes here. >> i want to ask you about this rivalry between ryan lochte and michael phelps, and this being the games where we will last see this. i mean, arguably, they are two athletes, and i think we have a graphic to show the ages, just how they've gone back and forth between gold and silver. arguably, ryan lochte would have been one of the, you know, perhaps a world champion if michael phelps had not been in front of him. they really drafted off of each other throughout their careers. >> yes.

michael, this is his first olympic win, something i think ryan was trying to dethrone him on. i said is this, are you done. he said you know, dara, i just need a break. i didn't get a yes or no. i think for michael, what a way to go, on top. >> we talk about rivalries, you hear them in sports all the time. this one doesn't get talked about that way, and is it because that they're actually friends? it kind of takes the poison out of the match-up? >> yeah, you know, i don't think they're friends in the pool, but it's funny, at olympic trials, the 200 im finals, michael was in front and ryan gave him a flat tire on his shoe, he looked back, dude, what are you doing and they started laughing. you know they're really good friends but the minute they get on the blocks, they're rivals. >> i don't think we can under state how significant this is,

we pay attention to michael phelps, but simone manuel, what a performance. so much history made last night. >> i couldn't believe it. i was hoping that she would medal, and then when i was watching the race and actually calling the race for radio, they're like okay, don't be too bias, i couldn't. i was so excited she won. all of a sudden, i'm so happy that simone won. it was so thrilling to watch her, first african-american. an absolute thrill. >> how -- you said you were just hoping she would medal. how unexpected was that? >> i think was pretty unexpected because she had never gone sub 53 before, and i knew it would take a 52 to win the event. 32 years since an american has won. abbey white was the favorite coming in. >> how much is rising to the occasion, whether it's lilly king and now manuel, people who are at their best in the biggest

moments, how big apart of being a plmedalist is that in. >> it is amazing how these first time olympians have risen to the occasion. i know when i had some of my olympic games, i was 17-year-old, and i was scared to death. i was nervous, didn't know what to expect. that's why i'm excited to be able to mentor these athletes. they rise up to the occasion. they know what to do. they got here because they are the best of the best at the olympic trials. it is always interesting to see how they would do once they get here, but it doesn't seem like it has been a problem so far. >> dara, thank you so much for joining us from rio. we really appreciate it. it is just amazing to watch someone have the performance of their career, as she said, with simone manuel, going under 53 seconds for the first time. >> all the experience and all of your competitor, and then yet finding it in yourself to be as good and better. not easy. a lot of news, what do you say? let's get right to it.

barack obama and hillary clinton, these are the founders of isis. >> republican party chairman tried to get him to tone down his rhetoric. >> 33,000 e-mails, deleted. discarded. no good, folks. >> mr. trump may talk a big game on trade, but his approach is based on fear. not strength. >> she is going to try and negotiate trade deals. can't do it. >> i am running for president to build an economy that works for everyone. >> michael phelps, making olympic history again. simone biles defining perfection. clinching another gold medal. >> beside her on the podium, aly raisman taking home silver. >> great day for the americans. >>announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camero camerota. >> we're killing it at the olympics. >> so much winning. >> great moment for america.

good morning, welcome to "new day." he brianna keilar this morning. donald trump tweeting while he was watching "new day," saying he was being sarcastic that hillary clinton and barack obama are founders of isis. trump said he was not being sarcastic while making the claim at rally after rally and interview after interview since wednesday night. >> this is, as hillary clinton's e-mail controversy. newly released e-mails about ties with the state department and clinton foundation. let's begin with athena jones live in washington. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, brianna. this new tweet from trump this morning, saying he was being sarcastic is interesting. also in line with him saying just a few days ago, i guess a week or two ago, that he was just joking about asking the russians to hack secretary clinton's e-mails. it seems like either his version

of an apology. but the fact is, you can't un-ring a bell. it is hard to walk something back after you've been repeating it over and over and over again. and insisting that you meant exactly what you said. >> i call president obama and hillary clinton the founders of isis. >> reporter: donald trump refusing to back down from his latest controversy. >> barack obama and hillary clinton, these are the founders of isis. >> reporter: despite growing concern within the republican party about the effect his rhetoric cou rhetoric. >> stop funding the republican. i'm the one raising the money. in fact, i'm in orlando, going to a fund-raiser for the republican party. so if they want to do that, they could save me a lot of time. >> reporter: sources tell cnn that reince priebus denied he

was considering shifting funds from trump's presidential bid to down ballot races, but did speak to trump about his tone. this, after trump spent an entire day repeating a false claim that president obama literally is the founder of isis. >> he is the founder of isis. barack obama is the founder. >> he is the founder of ice,sis. i give him the most valuable player award. >> reporter: during a cnn town hall, trump placed the blame for the rise of isis, scare lequare the iraq war. >> the whole destabilization, it started isis, it started libya, it started syria. in all fairness, bush made the decision. >> reporter: the republican candidate also making waves this morning for saying he would allow american terror suspects to be tried at the military tribunal. >> i know they want to try them

in our regular court system, and i don't like that at all. >> reporter: as for his rival, trump continuing to raise questions about the nature of the state department's relationship with the clinton foundation. >> aren't e-mails a wonderful thing. right, what a great invention. go home, i'm not going to do it, because if i mention it, they'll play it down. so i'm not going to mention it. >> reporter: meanwhile, clinton hitting trump's economic plan. accusing the billionaire of using his campaign to benefit the rich. >> he called for a new tax loophole. let's call it the trump loophole. >> with less than three months until election day, trump entertaining the possibility of losing in november. >> at the end, it is either go to work or i'm going to, you know, i'm going to have a very, very nice, long vacation. >> reporter: now, trump campaigns in pennsylvania today. we'll see if he talks about isis there.

meanwhile, hillary clinton is stepping up the pressure on him to release his tax returns. she plans to release her 2015 tax returns soon, and her running mate, tim kaine and his wife will be releasing the last ten years of their returns. she has put out a new web video, showing top republicans, calling on trump to release his returns. chris. >> all right, thank you very much, my friend. let's discuss with senior advisor for the donald trump campaign, sarah huckabee sanders. good to have you on the show. >> good morning, chris. >> so help make the case for this proposition that we're dealing with this morning. trump insists that he wants to call obama the founder. he wants to say tom barrack hussein is the founder. good and bad reason for him wanting to say it that way. he then says this morning, watching our show, i'm being sarcastic. how are we supposed to know when to take him at his word?

>> i think the title that he gave, founder, was the point of sarcasm. the point that isn't sarcastic is isis is the direct result of a failed foreign policy under the obama/clinton administration, and that can't be disputed. isis didn't exist before the obama presidency. it had -- it started during that, continued to grow without any plan to stop it. and the actions that this presidency and this administration has taken are what have allowed isis to form into being the threat that it is today. >> isis, the starting point, would be a matter of dispute based on what you just said, when it actually started. there is no question that there is a straight line of criticism for the obama administration on how isis has been handled. you are not going to get any argument from me on that. however, i don't understand why trump muddied the water with this founder thing, insisting on it, when his friends, bill

o'reilly and hugh hewitt, well, what you mean, offered what you just said, and he said no, no, no. founder, you know says he is sarcastic. do you see how it defeats the am he is -- message. >> i think the point is the contrast that exists and trying to bring out an important issue and make everybody talk about it, and that's exactly what we're doing right now. i bet you guys will spend all day talking about whether or not obama played a role in the formation of isis. and so we're actually talking about this issue. so what he has done here is make us talk about the fact that the obama/clinton administration complete and utter failure in foreign policy has allowed isis to form, and since its formation, they have done nothing to stop it, nothing to defeat it, and therefore, it continues to grow. >> the isis plan, monday, we

hear that donald trump is going to say how he will stop radical islam, how he'll stop isis. will he layout a plan or say that it is a secret plan again? >> he is going make a big speeh in ohio on monday and talk about some specific ways to defeat isis. i'm a firm believer you don't tell your enemy every single thing you're going to do to defeat them. i don't know we'll go line by line, but he'll give some specifics that people are looking for and asking for on monday in that speech. >> you know why specifics matter. obviously there is something about operational security and integrity. but it is also something to let people digest whether you're the right choice. another thing he said recently that i want your take on. he said that u.s. citizens who are being tried for terrorism should be tried in military tribunals. he doesn't want to try them in the civilian system in the united states. that has never happened before,

because it is seen by most people who understand the law as an obvious constitutional violation of due process and a couple of other clauses. why would he say that? >> you know, i haven't had the chance to talk to him about that, or find out if he has gotten advice from military officials that are recommending that. i think that's something that will probably be talked about in the next couple of days, in particular, his speech on monday in ohio. the big thing here is we have to take -- put everything on the table to do whatever it takes to keep america safe, and i know that's donald trump's first priority in every decision he makes in foreign policy, and frankly, in domestic policy will be about protecting america, and putting america's interests first and we have to put everything on the table and make sure whatever we do is helping to accomplish those goals. >> right, when you say everything on the table, you don't mean violating the u.s. constitution, right? that's not on the table. >> of course not. no, no, no, no. that's not at all what i meant

was that we would violate the u.s. constitution. i think it means that we put every option that we have. >> right. >> under the constitution on the table. >> but is this an example of where i'm making a guess here, that i'm going to hear donald trump change his position on this? that someone is going to get in his ear and say, no, no, no. you can't try u.s. citizens in a military court. we don't do that. they have rights under the constitution. we have to protect those. and he'll say here is what i meant. is this going to be one of those situations? >> i think that's a question you'll have to save, chris, for donald trump. >> i can't get him on the show, sarah. help us out. we want to make the show a forum for the candidates. >> i'll see what i can do. >> why do you want trump on so much. because the election matters, that's why. the voters should get as much attention from the candidates as possible. sarah, thank you very much for being on the show, as always, making the case for donald trump. >> you bet. thanks, chris. >> brianna.

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hillary clinton is getting hit with accusations of cronyism after newly released e-mails. several fbi field offices wanted

to investigate whether there was a conflict of interest between the clinton foundation and the state department, but the justice department said, there was insufficient evidence to open a case. let's discuss this with cnn senior political commentator and former advisor to president obama, david axelrod. you hear that report, david, whether or not this is -- would be ongoing. it is obviously not at this point. this is not a good headline for hillary clinton right now. >> no, it's not. were this a normal campaign, it would probably be getting a lot more attention. she has the good fortune of an opponent who on a daily basis lights himself on fire, and gets all the attention, and so some of these stories that may have been larger stories in a different kind of campaign aren't getting that kind of attention. >> what do you think about their answers on this? this latest wrinkle, why they didn't do it, i don't think they were helped by comey, where he

got asked by this and he said i'm not going to talk about whether there was or wasn't an investigation. non-answers fuel speculation. do you feel the campaign knows how to answer these questions effectively? >> well, look, i don't know what the effective answer is. the fact is that apparently there were some contacts. you know, i don't think that they were earth shaking, but you know, i don't know what else there is there. but you know, the -- their answer is, nothing particularly happened. you know, especially on the request for putting one of their donors together with a diplomat. so what else are they going to say. i think the less said, the better in certain ways. >> what do you think about what we're hearing now about the clinton foundation and the state department under hillary clinton. we have seen some new e-mails that really make you wonder where does the clinton

foundation end and the state department sort of begin back when hillary clinton was at the helm of it, and you have clinton supporters who say, look, the clinton foundation does good work, but at the same time, the pledge that hillary clinton herself made in 2009, she said i will do everything in my power to make sure the good work of the foundation continues, without there being any untoward effects on me and my service. what do you think about how they've carried on? >> well, you know, i'm not going to make a judgment about how they carried out. i think it is a bit overstated to say you can't tell where the foundation ends in the state department begins, based on what i've seen. it is clearly an issue, and it will be an issue, and i'm sure donald trump will raise it and others will raise it. the frustration of republicans is, they can't raise these issues and get any sustained attention on them, because their candidate keeps side tracking

the discussion to his own antiques. -- antics. this will continue to be a dynamic in this campaign. >> you're brilliant writer. i hope people have read your book. it seems like even you couldn't come up with a better match-up than this in a political setting, where this man, trump, seems to say something on a day, every other day basis, that you could just use as a hammer on him all day long as an opponent. but hillary clinton can't, because she has this underlying trust and credibility barrier with voters, right. 27% believe her about the e-mails. over 50% say she can't be trusted. so we keep getting into this cycle where one can't take advantage of the other. >> yeah, well, on this issue, i think that's true. i think on the trust issue, they've kind of negated each other. they both have very low numbers.

she actually in the "washington post" poll that came out on monday had a 9 point lead on trump on trust, which was kind of stunning, actually, given everything that's happened. so this issue is not the issue on which people ultimately are going to make their judgment, because they both have great liabilities. the race is really centered on trump's temperament and his preparedness for the office. that's what is driving vote right now. that's why she has moved into the lead. people judge her to be competent. they judge her to have a better temperament than trump. and he keeps fueling this fire with the things that he says and does. and the question is, can he change that dynamic. can he persuade people that he does have the temperament, that he does have the sort of base of knowledge necessary to be president. that's why these debates are going be so important to him. >> david, you've worked closely

with president obama as he kind of got his legs beneath him getting into the white house, went through the learning curve of that. and the difference between campaigning and governing, which is a very serious difference. when you hear the things donald trump says and then the way he sort of back pedals on them or tries to say they're untrue, like the sarcasm, when put that in the context of being in the oval office, are you able to do that? do you think about what that would look like? >> yeah, i mean, i think that is what voters are doing right now. i think people intuitively understand that when the president of the united states speaks, he's i've said probably before here, can send armies marching and markets tumbling with just one sentence. and so you can't, when you're president of the united states, just shoot first and think about it later in terms of what you say. because people can actually start shooting based on what you say. and so donald trump, you know,

if he -- he has to show some capacity for restraint, dis skrek correctio discretion, it will be hard to persuade the majority of americans or the number that he needs to win. >> david, we always appreciate you being with us, giving us your insight. thank you. >> good to be with you guys. you have clinton and trump selling their economic visions for the country. but do their plans really add up, and which one is going to resonate with voters in no he have? we'll be comparing them side by side, next. soon, she'll be binge-studying. get back to great. this week sharpie singles now twenty-five cents. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great.

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- not their profits. ♪ all right, you want policy, we've got policy. what about the economy. what are the competing plans. all right, we heard from donald trump. now we heard from hillary clinton. she took a shot at him yesterday by saying well, his plan is only for the wealthy. is that the case? whose plan adds up better for you? let's discuss with steven caulk, chairman and ceo of the federal savings bank and senior advisor for the trump campaign and mr.

ali velscher. we're going to get some meat on the bones, some of the things we have not heard the case. not the case with clinton. what did you take away. >> two things. bernie sanders really has influenced her to the left with some of these programs, particularly with college tuition. the infrastructure proposed she had really interested me. it is smaller than the one donald trump proposed, but she is talking real facts, about $25 billion being put in by the federal government, creating a multiplier effect so that $250 billion and ultimately, you know, that will be used -- raised by the private sector. if you see trump, he is talking about double the amount of money. not as clear about how you fund it. hillary clinton is talking about a bank. both work. but at least two candidates are talking about that. same thing with child care. i think hillary clinton's plan actually works better for working families, because she

puts a cap on how much child care can be, as opposed to a deduction for how much you pay. but again, kind of neat that two candidates are talking about child care, because that's the world in which we live, where america is behind its rich country counterparts. so it was an interesting proposal. >> steven, what did you hear that you believe shows that trump has a better plan? >> well, i think there is a number of different things. i think first and foremost, just reflecting back on mrs. clinton's speech, i'm pretty good with math, most people know i am a main street guy more than wall street guy, but that being said, i heard about $1.15 trillion in new spending. her speech was 47 minutes long, the math is about $25 billion in new expenses per minute is the way the math worked out for me. i don't possibly understand how lowering the tax rate on middle class families lowering the corporate tax rate for job

creators, and folks that invest in those companies, your 401(k), et cetera, trying to re patriot could do anything. we've got to spur the entrepreneur spirit. the best way is to increase the number of taxpayer, and the best way to do is that is to create more jobs. >> the big knock is steve, you said a lot, because you're very smart, the big knock is she is asking for a lot of new money, not telling how she'll justify the new money and how to offset it. >> the college plan, that's the biggest one. that needs congressional money, state money, that's a complicated one to figure out. by the way, an unintended consequence when you say that there is all this money available for education. it was the way we said there was all this money available for mortgage, and home prices went

up. it is not economically sound, but fundamentally, she is talking about raising taxes on the highest earners and eliminating the carried interest deduction, which means wealthy people, investment people, will pay tax the way working people pay taxes. so she is talking about where she would raise it, versus donald trump, who is talking about lowering taxes, corporate and personal income taxes, raising spending, and hoping that the resulting economic growth will make up for the shortfall, which he says might be about $3 trillion, most economists say it will be 9 to $14 trillion, over a decade. so the problem with trump's plan is it might sound better, the math doesn't add up. hillary clinton's plan doesn't sound as good, but her math works better for me. >> do you accept or reject, and why? >> well, i'm afraid i'm going to have to reject. i'm happy to meet after and run numbers side by side with each other. but the basic principle of putting americans back to work, getting more people on the job, that is what excites america.

that's a bold new plan. that's not the same recycled rhetoric we've seen over the last -- >> what do you mean, steven? every presidential candidate in history wants to create job. they want to create more jobs and better growth than anybody else. somehow that i a bold new plan? in all the time i've been -- >> that's all i've -- look, chris, i mean, what you're saying makes a lot of sense and that's typical rhetoric. the differences now, we've got people who are actually going into office, willing to volunteer, willing to get involved, that have done it. they have actually been job creators. and mr. trump has created tens of thousands of jobs. he spurred people like me that have never been involved in politics that aren't even necessarily interested in politics to offer their advice, offer their guidance, and tell them, what does it take to get a business started from dollar one. >> you're good guy to advise him on that because you've been a successful businessman. i definitely appreciate not only the fact that he is attracting

guys like you, but a whole lot of people who are not in the political process. but the concept that no one has thought of this before, and that wow, wouldn't job creation be a great legacy, the trump people should stop saying,s about it is just silly. >> at the end of the day, i think that americans want a leader who will show them a path to prosperity. i think america is sick of playing second fiddle. i know here in the heartland, we certainly are. we want to begin leading again. not to ask the government to give me money, so that i can then, you know, match it and go on and build a business. what i want is to use my own money, my own creativity my own powers and the skills i've developed, middle america and working class americans, middle class americans, my mom was a schoolteacher, my father was a salesman and what i learned, get a good education and get your butt up and go to work everyday.

>> hillary clinton is offering that for free. >> i don't want to wait on government funding. >> hillary clinton is saying everyone can go to college can go to college. i'm not arguing it is a financially good policy, but everything you just talked about, she is offering a 10% cap on child care. a cap, totally. one-third of americans pay 25% on child care, which when you count for tax, means one person shouldn't work. the wife, the mother or father, has to stay home. she is talking about the very things you seem to care about a great deal. >> right, so here is the deal. are we talking about the 53% of the people that pay tax in america or the 47 that don't. my goal, and i know mr. trump's goal is to get the other 47%, as many as possible, back into working america. now, i could tell you, as a single dad, child care is a major expense. it is something that one worries about, not just financially, but emotionally every single day. i think both parties have come together on that idea. the semantics of how the math will work, i think that will be

worked out. what i love is that both parties have come together. >> i'm with you on that. >> now we need to talk about how to get people back to work. the best way is to spur growth within america, no the wait around for the government to hand that money out. >> you know what i love. >> i don't want to wait for the government to control my money. >> you know what i love, steven and aly, you're so smart, making great points. i'm going to have you both back. >> i'm going back to chicago oh so we can talk about it. >> thank you, fellows. the more content about policy, the better. >> that is very right. all right, female joggers, murdered within a week of each other. there are eerie similarities, even though they happened hundreds of miles a apartment is there potentially a connection here. matters. both on the track and thousands of miles away. with the help of at&t, red bull racing can share critical information about every inch of the car from virtually anywhere.

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all right, we have a series here at cnn, where we recognize police officers going beyond the call of duty. we have a story about two nypd officers faced with a difficult situation. what a decision to make. what would you do if you have device that looked like a bomb and thrown into the lap of your

lap, in a squad car in the middle of time scas square. they went beyond the call of duty, putting the lives before their own. here is bryn with the story. >> born and raised in afghanistan and came to the united states on a calling. >> i seen a lot of people die in front of my eyesment i was a kid, but i was helpless. i couldn't do anything for them, you know what i mean. and i always wanted to be able to save someone's life. >> he is now raising his 12-year-old daughter in new york. armani is a single father. >> every time i leave home, she gives me a big hug and holds my hands and looks in my eyes. dad, promise me, you gotta come home. >> it is a promise that the ten year veteran almost couldn't

keep. armani was patrolling new york times square with officer peter sybolski. >> next thing i know, something hits my right hand, and then it hits the dashboard. so i look over to see who just threw something at me and i see a man giving me a really mean grin, and speeds off quickly. so i look back to see what the device, what it was. boss, this is a bomb. >> it was making a clicking sound. it was flashing a bright light. i felt like we had 15 seconds. in my mind, i accepted we were going to die. i wanted to get as far as possible. i didn't want anybody else to die with us. >> the officers drove away from the crowd, bomb in hand. seconds passing, they prayed together, two men, different faiths. >> i looked up, god, i just don't want to feel pain. at the same time, i made the sign of the cross, starting saying the our father. >> the bomb squad eventually determined the device was fake,

and hours later, police captured the man suspected of throwing it in the van. the pair returned to their homes as heros. armani's promise remained intact. >> she goes dad, don't you dare do that again. two joggers murdered within a week of each other. hundreds of miles apart. could there be a connection. we have john walsh with us next, here in studio. ♪ ♪

two women killed while jogging within a week of each other. these cases are being investigated hundreds ever miles apart, but there are many similarities. their killer or killers, still on the lose at this point. a lot of people are wondering if there are connections between these two cases. joining us now, we have the host of cnn's "the hunt", john walsh. you have big capture to your roster of captures. i want to first talk about this case, these cases we're seeing. two female joggers, vanessa marcotte, and then karina veter vatrano in howards beach.

they are jogging, seems their profiles are similar. what is your read on this? what are you hearing? >> well, the mo seems to be similar, because they were both young ladies jogging. but they were miles and hours apart. so when the princeton police and the massachusetts state police get the d ina, because she foug very hard, they'll find some of his skin scrapings under her fingernails, and when they get that dna back, if it matches the nypd case, karina here in new york, then you've got a serial killer on your hand, and you've got to let people know that there is a guy out there hunting girls that are jogging. tell your wonderful daughter, wife, sister, whatever, not to go jogging. i don't think they're the same guy, but it very well could be. so people should be on the alert, number one.

karina's family did a great thing by raising over $200,000 for a reward. so people say, look, john, i don't want to call the cops, i don't want revenge, if it is the killer, i'm dragged in the case. there are way, and we've done it over the years, you'll get over your $200,000 if you make the call. no one will know who you are. that is set up through crime stoppering all over the united states. if you think it is weird uncle harold, don't worry about uncle harold coming back and hurting you. make the phone call. you'll get your reward. no one will know who you are and you'll take a killer offer the street. people should be very wear because of the similarities between the cases. >> you mentioned in the case of vanessa marcotte that her hands were burned. she was found just several hours after she went missing, and so that was you believed to destroy dna evidence, but does that destroy d in. a evidence? >> no, i don't think that the bad guys out there realize how sophisticated the recovery of

dna has become. actually, i did a case of a five-year-old girl who was kidnapped and raped and the rapist tried to burn her body, burned her face. we were able to get forensic scientist to come and lift this guy's finger prints off of her skull, off of one layer of skin. we have three layers of skin. i was amazed. they got a hit through the fbi data bank. when this dna comes back from the massachusetts case, they'll check it against the fbi data bank, hopefully there will be a hit there. the nypd didn't get a hit, and i think they're going to get one from the massachusetts case. >> big capture from an episode in season one, christopher ponce tell us about this. >> i live in florida and this is a florida case of a wonderful young man, william angel, who went out one night with a friend of his, a veteran of afghanistan, a british veteran. go out to have a good time, and police say that christopher

ponce was double the legal limit drunk, over the limit. he had ten speeding and dui violations, yet he got a family car, went out that night. i don't know how they didn't keep him in jail until the trial, but somehow, he was able to convince the judge he could stay home with an ankle bracelet so he could go to the doctors. he wasn't hurt badly. so when it came time for the trial, about eight months after the incident, cuts off the ankle bracelet and disappeared. it has been four long years, but i talked to william angel's father, two days ago, said look, some fans pushed the case to spain. the marshals did an incredible job. they always do. they're one of the best man hunters in the world, and our partners at interpol put him on the red list, so they nailed him in spain. it will take about eight months to get justice, but they'll shall able to end that chapter. talking to that dad, the father of a murdered son, this is great

this creep is coming back. >> it is fulfilling work you do. when you talk to a father like that. you have new episode coming up, and this has to do with sex trafficking here in the united states. we have some statistics, more than 19,000 cases reported in the u.s. since 2007, more than 2,600 sex trafficking cases reported this year alone. this is a big issue that doesn't get a lot of attention. >> it is the ugly, under belly of the united states. so you ask anybody on the street, where is the number one country for sex trafficking of children. they're going to say cambodia, thailand, vietnam, i've done shows there, and yes, it happens there, vietnam, india for example. but the number one offender is the united states. we are the number one offender of sex trafficking of children, and this guy that we're doing on sunday night has a rap sheet this long. he is a mexican, poncho diaz juarez, i'm hoping people will see him coming back and for the the border. he kidnaps underage mexican

girls. he brought one girl here in 2010. he raped her, she became pregnant, had a baby, gave it to someone to take care of. he kidnapped the baby to force her back into prostitution. he was caught. guess how much time he served in a texas jail, all in houston, a big port of entry for sex traffickers. three years and got out. what did he do. he immediately went right back to work. a big canteen in houston, a madam that ran it, and this guy got away. he is on the top of my list. he is a horrible sex trafficker of young girls. >> it will be a great episode. john walsh. be sure to check "the hunt" with john walsh, this sunday night at 9:00 p.m. >> boy, owe boy, john walsh, what a hero for all of us. many organizations that help the homes providing food, shelter, medical supplies, guidance. but what about clean clothes. that's where cnn hero, nicholas

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american woman being crowned the olympic all-around champion. 19-year-old superstar on everybody's mind. she won the women's all-around after winning the team medal as well. her teammate, aly raisman was a big winner too. she got the silver. who is the best. who is the best of all time. the most decorated gymnast is shannon miller, joining us with her own perspective. other than you, who would you say is the best of all time? >> oh, you know, it is so hard, because we have this discussion in gymnastics, we have this discussion time and time again. it is so hard because it is apples and oranges. you look at someone like larissa back in the day, 18 olympic medals, spanning three olympic games, two of them all-around gold. she was pretty good. you try to compare that to

simone biles and when you look at the gymnastics, it is like you're watching two completely different sports, because it has changed. if i think you're going by difficulty, and power and really just where gymnastics is today, you have to say hands down s simone biles is the best gymnast ever. >> when marie lou ret ton came on the scene, she had the big smile and so did you, but the power of it, what categories of excellence matter to you when you are assessing a gymnast? >> you know, i think you play to the rules, so gymnastics, the rules change every four years. right now the rules are very for giving for those athletes that have a lot of difficulty, a lot of power. that's where simone biles is. she is born to do this sport. she has got the right height. she has the right build for that power athlete.

just like marie ly lou. yes, it makes her a star, but she is just such an incredible gymnast in the way she can have that difficulty but also maintain consistency which is really hard and also the execution. you look at the routines and they're just ball to watch. >> you were known as a perfectionist, and i know that's how they talked about nadia, perfection, exactly how it was supposed to be. even accounting for the rule change, do you put that as a premium also? >> you have to think of nadia, mary lou, a few from my team, shawn johnson, there are so many great athletes that we've had over the years. the soviet union and from belaruse. it has evolved over the years.

while i'm more compared to nadia, simone is compared to mary lou. body types. it is a very rare combination to have that amount of power and difficulty and combine that with the execution, the perfection, the precision of each skill. >> i know you are an all-around athlete. is there anything you think is comparable in terms of difficulty of sticking a landing the way it has to be done off the vault or even in a floor exercise? >> it's hard to say because you have most olympic sports, you're thinking about racing for time and get to the finish line. ours is different, where it is not about racing to a finish line. it is about absolute precision. you have to stick that landing. you've got to nail it. it is the last and final impression you leave with the judge, and it is probably the most important impression. >> can't think of another sport where you have to stop so much

momentum all at once and do it perfectly. well, when we're talking about perfection, you'll have to be in the conversation every time, shannon. because you're great at what you're doing now and made the country so proud. thanks for joining us here on "new day." appreciate it. >> thank you. all right, there is a lot of news going on this morning from the world of politics and in the olympics. so it is time for "newsroom" with erica hill, who is filling in for carol costello, taking it now. >> hey, chris, good morning. thanks. "newsroom" starts now. good morning, everyone. nice to have you with us on this friday. i'm erica hill, in today for carol costello. donald trump versus donald trump. the republican nominee bruised by sagging poll numbers. now battling his own words again. he says his most recent over the top comments were nothing more than tongue and cheek. this ee