and thank you so much for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. good evening, everyone. jim sciutto here tonight for anderson and tonight, breaking news. donald trump telling voters that the only way he will lose the key state of pennsylvania is if the other side cheats. also tonight, which donald trump is it? is it the one who called pr president obama the founder of isis and even after given chance after chance after chance when he did not mean it literally or when he was being sarcastic or the one this afternoon when he said he wasn't being that sarcastic or the one just this evening who said he was being in his words, somewhat sarcastic and in all of those, donald

trump's campaign tonight in pennsylvania with polling in that battleground and others showing him falling significantly behind. despite that, he just leveled the claim that if he does lose in pennsylvania in november it will mean that he was robbed. so we begin tonight with donald trump's election fraud bombshell. cnn's jessica schneider is with him on the campaign trail. jessica, a remarkable charge to make here in the key state of pennsylvania. >> reporter: yeah, jim. definitely a strong charge. of course, that charge coming after him dialing back some of his previous comments about president obama and hillary clinton being the founders of isis like you said today. he talked about on twitter that he was being sarcastic and dialled it back again, saying that he was being somewhat sarcastic and more potentially controversial comments that could again shadow or overshadow his messaging and he talked about the fact that the only way that he could lose pennsylvania and that hillary clinton could win this state would be if

cheating goes on. take a listen. >> the only way we can lose, in my opinion, i really mean this, pennsylvania, is if cheating goes on. i really believe it because i looked at erie and it was the same thing as this, and i know this state well. i know the state well, but let me just tell you, i looked all over, pennsylvania, and i'm studying it and we have some great people here, some great leaders here of the republican party and they're very concerned about that and that's the way we can lose the state, and we have to call up law enforcement, and we have to have the sheriffs and the police chiefs and everybody watching because if we get cheated out of this election, if we get cheated out of a win in pennsylvania which is such a vital state, especially when i know what's happening here, folks. i know -- she can't beat what's happening here. the only way they can beat it, in my opinion, and i mean this

100%, if in certain sections of the state they cheat, okay? >> so some very strong words from donald trump, and he also talked about the voter i.d. laws that have been struck down by many judges throughout the country in recent weeks and recent months. he also borrowed some wording from bernie sanders talking about the fact and stressing the fact as he does that the system is rigged, urging his supporters who were here in altoona tonight and throughout the state to go out and vote, jim, but some very serious words from donald trump tonight. >> incendiary to say the least. jessica, this happened the same day that he had reince priebus there on the stage intended as a shoaf party unity despite real concernsing with the in his own party about the kinds of thing he's saying. how significant was that appearance with you on stage? >> very significant, jim. a real show of solidarity and coming in the wake of the fact that over the past few weeks

many republicans have defected from the trump train. we just saw it yesterday, that about 75 former members of congress and former rnc staffers signed that letter urging the rnc to back away from trump and pour its money into house and senate races impeach he got here as well as the crowds in altoona and erie, pennsylvania. he touted donald trump's experience as a businessman and getting behind donald company s trump. >> maria cardone a cnn political commentator and former senior obama administration official, van jones and cnn political analyst gloria borger and kayleigh mcmainy and washington columnist michael gershwin and

former ben carson official and current trump supporter jason osbourne. not one mention of the word cheating. you heard him double, triple, quadruple down on that another trip down the rigged election path. >> right. at least it does take it to a different level. you say the system is rigged. we heard that during the primaries until donald trump won at which point and i looked this up from last may. you've been hearing me say it's a rigged system and i'm want not saying that because i won. i believe it personalizes it to a certain degree and not that the system is rigged, but that the clinton campaign will cheat, okay? and will take this election away from me because whatever draw donald trump has had in the polls cannot be about donald trump. it has to be about hillary -- it has to be about a system that is not going to treat him fairly.

>> kayleigh, the system is working when he's winning and it's rigged when he's losing and the polls are correct and laudable when he's winning. what's happening here? >> this was a show of confidence. he is making the point i am so confident that i'm going to win the state that the message was taylor made for it. >> kayleigh, he was talking about law enforcement coming out to enforce and prevent mass voter fraud. that does not sound like a confident candidate. >> there were four warrants issued and there is a history of election fraud and has it tur d elections? not to anyone's knowledge. we know florida came down to a few hundred votes and to put the spotlight on this before the election happens i think is very smart. we tend to parse every single syllable from donald trump and this is a display of confidence. >> what is the parsing of the words there. >> he's saying i am so confident i will win that the only way i can lose is if hillary clinton

cheats and we parse every word and i understand that to make a story, but there is no story here. >> jason, i want to get to this. >> are we parsing the words of what donald trump just said there no, and i'm starting to get concerned. donald trump when we had obama elected did everything he could do discredit him with this birther thing, delegit mating a sitting president in the middle of two wars in the middle of the great recession. he is now pre-delegitimating his opponent. what is going to happen if she wins. >> and the system. >> but i don't think people are thinking about wednesday morning. wednesday morning the trump voters are not leaving america. the clinton voters are not leaving america and the green voters, we're all going to be in the same country, but you may have millions of people who do not accept the result because in august a major candidate is saying that the election in the

united states is rigged and that the winner cheated. that is dangerous. >> that's dangerous! >> after bush versus gore. you had millions of democrats out there and still four years later gore is saying gore won this election. >> when you're talking about millions of people. >> sir, you would be concerned in any country if a major candidate predelegitimated -- don't give a different answer. >> i'm not giving a different answer. >> i watched the clip that he saw and what he is saying and to reinforce what kayleigh just said, looking out in the crowd, i saw this in erie and the massive numbers of people that were coming out. should he have put it in a different way so that you all would understand what he was saying to make his point better? i don't know, but i looked at it and saw he's seeing massive crowds coming out for him and he's saying the enthusiasm for his message and what he's saying is resonating and there are the

cases in philadelphia where people have committed fraud. >> i think gloria's on the right track here. this has been a catastrophe in the last couple of weeks and an electoral catastrophe and the polls are going down very badly and he can't blame the hillary clinton campaign which has not been very good, actually. he can't blame the media, but he doesn't want to accept the responsibility himself. this is a candidate who says things compulsively that have no relation to strategy and that's what i think a lot of republicans are deeply concerned now that he's not in control of his own message. that is the most serious -- >> and we know today that the majority leader in the senate, mitch mcconnell talking about the very real possibility that they might lose the senate. clearly -- and that's from inside the same party. >> and that's, i think, a big reason why so many republicans are leaving the trump train because they see not just how

dangerous his words are, but how incredibly pernicious his campaign has been to the republican party brand. >> and by the way, you worked for ben carson. ben carson came on our air an hour ago and was brilliant. i didn't agree with him. he was brilliant. he was well spoken. he was desperately trying to turn the attention back to real issues and the deficit and inner city schools and i said this is a leader. i don't agree with him. he's a leader. i cannot imagine how you come out what you're saying from donald trump. >> and he was also on the air highlighting the voting fraud in philadelphia and he was the one that brought this up. >> last week was a bad week and i'll give you that. this week was not a bad week and this week was a week when media took it out of context. the l.a. times has him down by one. >> that's one national poll. >> and you found the four battleground state polls and colorado, virginia, north carolina and florida, three of

those states with double digit leads for hillary. >> another florida poll shows him down by one and the ras mussen poll. >> the direction of the polls though, is clearly and i want you to speak, jason, as well, but the direction is clear. >> for how horribly donald trump is doing to still be in the statistical margin of error with hillary, he's doing phenomenal. >> in the battleground states he's well beyond the statistical margin of error. >> jason and then gloria. >> to your point, van, you are sitting here saying that i'm defending that he's saying there's voter fraud out there. >> i don't think he was saying that there was voter fraud or cheating. what he's saying again is the massive crowds coming out and seeing me, how can i lose this election when we're seeing video from hillary's rallies where there are very small numbers of people here. >> to that point and just for clarity. can we play that clip again? you're saying he's talking about the turnout and the rallies and

we'll let viewers make their own judgme judgment. the only way we can lose is if cheat being goes on and i know the state well. i know the state well, but let me just tell you, i looked all over pennsylvania and i'm studying it and we have some great people here, some great leaders here of the republican party and and they're very concerned about that and that's the way we can lose the state and we have to call up law enforcement and we have to have the sheriffs and we have to have the police chiefs and everyone watching because if we get cheated out of this election and if we get cheated out of a win in pennsylvania which is such a vital state especially when i know what's happening here, folks. i know she can't beat what's happening here. the only way they can beat it in my opinion, and i mean this 100%, is if in certain sections

of the state they cheat, okay? >> was that a confident candidate talking about rallies? i heard cheating six times in that statement. >> i understand, you want him to say rally and you can't beat what's happening here. >> in addition, and i want to get gloria to pipe in and i he said if there's cheating and the only way we can lose is if there's cheating. >> it's a confident candidate. i remember in 2008 when we had sarah palin up in new hampshire and we had thousands of people up in la conia, new hampshire, and you look out on the crowd and you think how can we lose this? >> that's a legitimate -- >> are we dealing with two different version of reality here. >> what donald trump is saying part of it, he's saying, look, i have these huge crowds and i get this amazing support and you know, this is where trump gets his energy and support is from these crowds. how can i possibly lose? look at you. there are so many thousands of

you and that's what happened with sarah palin, right? but she lost because very often the crowds don't translate into votes a s ans and therefore he make the case, but if we lose then it's about cheating and my larger point here and then i'll give you the floor. my larger point is it's never great in a presidential campaign where you have to parse the words of a candidate to try and figure out what he or she means, and is saying and over the last couple of weeks what we have done is tried to parse the words whether it's on the second amendment or sarcasm or whatever -- whatever the issue du jure is. we have been trying to kind of figure it out and that leaves voters independents, with are seven points behind hillary confused, right? >> folks, we'll have a whole other block and we'll get back to you and a lot more to talk about tonight including a closer look at donald trump's plan for defeating isis, all of them.

he has said a lot on the subject and we'll hear from a pair of national security pros on how it fits together or it does not, later on hillary clinton turning up the pressure for trump release his tax returns and see how much she and bill clinton earn and how big a check they wrote to the treasury when "360" continues. then we wad it up to make it nice and soft. but grandma, we use charmin ultra soft so we don't have to wad to get clean. mmm, cushiony...and we can use less.

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ran ra randi kaye. >> the barbarians of isis. >> we have to get isis. >> we have to defeat iceis. >> we have to knock out isis. >> reporter: his most recent comments about the terror group included this suggestion linking president barack obama and hillary clinton to the birth of isis. >> isis is honoring president obama. he is the founder of isis. he's the founder of isis, okay? he's the founder. he founded isis and i would say the co-founder would be crooked hillary clinton. >>. >> reporter: whether or not he believes obama and clinton are co-founders of isis trump seems confident he's the expert on the terror group. >> i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. >> reporter: if that's true, then why would he have said this. >> we don't even really know who

the leader is. >> trump has suggested several different ways he'd handle the terror group, first, warning isis their days are numbered. >> i would bomb the [ expletive ] out of them. >> i would just bomb those suckers. >> then another idea. he told cbs' "60 minutes" he'd let russia do away with isis. >> russia wants to get rid of isis. we want to get rid of isis. let them get rid of isis. what the hell do we care? >> what about the oilfields isis has taken control of? >> i would bomb the hell out of the oilfields. >> eight months later, a different plan from trump. this time he said he'd send tens of thousands of troops out of the middle east. >> we have to knock the hell out of them. i would listen to the generals and i'm hearing numbers of

20,000 to 30,000 and we have to knock them out fast. >> reporter: he also took heat for this idea and saying he's target those related to isis members something against the geneva conventions. >> you have to take out their families. >> reporter: one thing trump has made clear is that if he's in the white house isis will be destroyed. >> they're going to be gone. isis will be gone if i'm elected president and they'll be gone quickly. they will be gone very, very quickly. he just won't say how he'll do it this is what he said a month before he officially announced his run for the white house. >> i do know what to do and i would know how to bring isis to the table or beyond that, defeat isis very quickly and i'm not going to tell you what it is tonight. all i can tell you is that it is a foolproof way of winning. >> winning, something donald trump prides himself on. all he seems to need is a solid

plan. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> back to our panel now, also joining the conversation is mary katherine hamm, she's cnn political commentator and senior writer for "the federalist," we'll deet a deeper dive into isis strategy and we'll get into the allegation that trump has alleged tonight about cheating in pennsylvania. maria, you have some thoughts. >> back to what gloria was saying in terms of the things that candidates say, right? we try to parse them and the reason we try to parse them is because words matter. when you are president of the united states the things that come out of your mouth can move markets and this can push people to go to war, i don't think he understood or cares about and we've also seen the effect from his people on down of what those words are doing. for example, his person in new york carl approximateliadino is now saying that the khan family has connections to isis and

therefore they don't deserve to be honored. for goodness sakes, this is a gold star family. in north carolina there is a lawsuit because one of his staffers pulled a gun on another staffer. these are the things that happen when you are the nominee of a major party and you say reckless, irresponsible things. >> mary katherine, we have to give mary katherine a chance there. is there a danger here as he starts to float that balloon, in effect, to say if i lose there was cheating and you, therefore, my supporters have a reason to be angry and not accept the results? is there a danger there? >> look, i think there's some, and i think he does want to have a scapegoat should that happen. i think you're also right to point out that post 2000, gore was not super quick to say everything's cool, guys and this is a legit election and many liberals were not quick to say that. >> immediately he said that and that's not fair to mr. gore. >> there was a question about the supreme court. >> right. >> the supreme court ruled appropriately and he came out and set an example for the

entire world about how to deal with that. >> and the -- do not insult al gore. >> and they have said selected and not elected. >> not the leader. fair enough. this is an actual issue. i do think there is an issue of blowing what trump says out of proportion and making it the entire conversation, and i think there is a point with the isis conversation on this where he says it was sarcasm. i think he means hyperbole and i think that's actually what it was and i don't think it was as big a deal as people were talking about. >> this is about calling obama the founder of isis. i will point out that back in june some of the senators who were involved in the antigun -- the gun control stuff were saying that the gop wanted to sell guns to isis and they were being hyperbell onic and irresponsible and nobody turned it into a big deal. >> do you accept, gloria. >> and i guess the question is, and i would ask you this, what about the second amendment question? >> regarding hillary clinton.

>> regarding hillary clinton. i think the question is if it were just once i'm totally with you. >> he has not earned a lot of charity. >> this is my point. it happens time and time again and it puts him in a bad, and his campaign, i would say, in a bad situation because what we are trying to do is interpret and figure out whether it's hyperbole or whether it's sarcasm. >> i want to add one thing into it because i interviewed the director of national intelligence a short time ago, and i asked him about the issues in the country right now. whether it's racial tension, gun violence and also loss of confidence in institutions and the political system, and he said he's not an alarmist. he's been in intelligence for 50 years and he says he's concerned about domestic stability and he's spoken with the president in his words about being a thin membrane between stability and instability and i wonder if it's a fair question and i know you have different points of view, but if injecting this thought that if he loses that, you know,

go with your pitch forks to the gate of the white house, is that dangerous? >> the loss of confidence in institutions, that's entirely because of the other party. when you have the irs going after tea party groups and when you have the justice department hunting down private citizens and saying that they're criminals like darren wilson and coming out and saying they're entirely inon sent and when you have the dnc nonpartisan saying let's use bernie sanders' religion and making fun of an african-american person's name. >> just very quickly before we go to break. >> i think voters felt betrayed by the republican party. >> is it on one party, van jones, or is it both parties? ? well, i don't think that you can make the case that the entire -- listen, you have both parties that were responsible for deregulating the banks and both parties are responsible for giving us these dumb wars and the trade deals that nobody likes and i think you have a bipartisan failure and every opportunity to attack obama

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more breaking news tonight. bill clinton weighing in when asked about hillary clinton's e-mail issues and her claims that she never received any that were marked classified. >> first of all, when the fbi director -- first of all, the fbi director said when he testified before congress he had to amend his previous day's statement that she had never received e-mails marked

classified they saw two little notes with a c on it and this is the biggest bull i've ever heard that were about telephone calls that she needed to make and the state department puts a c on it to discourage people from discussing it in public in the event the secretary makes a telephone call. does that sound threatening to you? >> meantime his wife ask her running mate tim kaine have released a new batch their tax returns and both releasing the case they have nothing to hide unlike their gop rival who has refused to release any of his returns. cnn's pamela brown reports. >> reporter: hillary clinton is keeping the pressure donald trump to release his tax returns. >> he refuses to do what every other presidential candidate in decades has done and release his tax returns. >> hillary clinton and her husband bill today released their 2015 tax return which showed they raked in 10.6

million last year, much less than the nearly 28 million they made in 2014. they paid roughly a third of their income to uncle sam. 3.2 million, making their effective tax rate 30.6% on par with their 32% effective rate in 2014. at the same time the campaign disclosed ten years of returns from runningmate tim kaine and running mate ann holton and paid nearly $63,000 in federal taxes for an effective rate of 20%. >> we will only know if he's the real deal or a phony if he releases his tax returns. >> it's part of a coordinated effort by the campaign that includes a new web video featuring prominent republicans calling on trump to release his returns. >> every candidate for president has released his tax returns and i think donald trump should as well. >> he doesn't want to do it because presumably there is

something in there that is bad. >> trump says he will release his returns once an irs audit is complete. >> i'm in a routine audit and every lawyer tells you, including greta who is a lawyer, but she said when you're under a routine audit -- >> as clinton urges transparency on tax returns she is still not releasing transcripts from her paid speeches and a point that bernie sanders seized on during the democratic primary and trump could revive. >> i am going to release all of the transcripts of the speeches that i gave on wall street behind closed doors and not for $225,000, and not for 2,000 and not for 2 cents. there were no speeches! >> he has said repeatedly that she'll release the transcripts of her paid speeches when donald trump does and there's no indication at this point that it's going to happen any time soon and we know after she left the state department she gave a round of speeches to banks

including three to goldman sachs and over 60% of the clivent's $10.6 million incomes says come from speeches. >> pamela brown, thank you very much. >> maria, does this move donald trump on releasing his own returns? >> donald trump will do what donald trump is going to do, it doesn't look like this will move him to do anything. he's try to the use the excuse that he's under audit and we know that that is not an excuse. the irs has said that anyone can release their taxes when they are under audit. 40 years, every democrat and nominee has released their tax returns and hillary clinton has released her tax returns for the last 38 years upon. this is something that the people do want to see his tax returns and it's not the same thing as financial disclosure which is what the campaign loves to say. we would see his charitable contributions and his tax rate which is zero. >> we would see if there are any russian ties that has been an issue in this campaign.

so i think the american people deserve to see it. >> on the issue of e-mails because that is the news in the last hour is bill clinton making the argument that the, mails that were marked classified only had a c. they didn't have the word classified and he said that's bull to imagine that that was a threat to national security and kayleigh, do you accept that? >> you sign agreement to understand what classified information is, even when there aren't cls phied markings and you are obligated to know that it is supposed to be classified and maria spoke earlier about needing to parse donald trump's words every day. we need to parse hillary clinton's actions every day and her actions where she violated her nondisclosure agreement and her agreement not to conduct work-related matters on her private server and her actions at the clinton foundation that wreak of quid pro quo corruption in the 44 e-mails and her actions in benghazi where she allegedly lied to two family

members. i will take explaining words and you guys have to explain unethical and unlaufrl action. >> words matter. to your point, when you say words matter and she continually says that she did not lie to the fbi. and then comes out and said -- >> the fbi said she didn't lie to them. >> are you still defending the fact that -- >> comey said that she was not -- comey said it. read his transcript. >> i have friends that have come up to me that worked at the pentagon that got fired from their jobs because they went to the printer and there was one piece of paper that someone else printed out. they lost their national security clearance and they got dishonorably discharged from the military. this happens all over the place. she has thousands of e-mails that we have never seen and all of a sudden. >> you mean her personal e-mails. those are personal e-mails and no one has the right to see personal e-mails. >> and official business and private business then everything is -- >> this is all that you guys have to go to because you have

nothing else. >> clinton is making a transparency argument and she can make the argument for a moment and then we move on to these other things because she has to answer for them. you can see them in the polls and she has lied in many a press conference and there is a difference the hillary team will say she's done nothing wrong because no one has gone after her criminally. you can do something incredibly wrong. >> and the clintons do that constantly. >> during the flap about donald trump's comments, seemingly tempting second amendment people to take the law into their own hands. if an average person said that the secret service would sit down and talk to them, but this is a fair point, if an average person, a lower-level person at the state department treated this classified information this way there would be penalties if not legal penalties. >> as comey said it was extremely careless and he chose not to prosecute. you may disagree with that. one of the problems with hillary

clinton is bill clinton just explained this a little bit better than she has, you know? is that, you know, he sort of made the point at the end of his statement well, if this was so awful why would all these people who have had these high-level security clearances like admiral scowcroft and colin powell and former head of the cia et cetera, et cetera endorse her if she was such a high national security risk and then he went about explaining what this was. you may not accept his explanation, but when hillary clinton went on, you know, on chris wallace's show a couple of sundays ago she had trouble explaining it. she always has trouble explaining it and so -- >> or admitting fault. >> or admitting fault. bill clinton once again, explainer in chief here -- >> we'll have to go to a segment -- >> you brought up colin powell. colin powell and senior aides to condoleezza rice also said that they on their e-mails retroactively also had

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tim kaine, here 13-point advantage. going back to pennsylvania, indeed the key to victory could be there in bucks county north of philadelphia. our gary tuchman explains why ands tos voters there to see who they like. >> reporter: cramer's bakery in yardly, pennsylvania, in buck's county. it's been in business 70 years. so they know all about delicacies here. what they didn't know is that presidential candidates specifically treasured their vote. jill mcdade is one of the employes. >> did you know you were a swing so thor? >> i did not. you're the person hillary clinton and donald trump want very badly to vote for them. doesn't it make you feel pressure? >> it doesn't feel like pressure? >> no. >> jill, her fellow bakery workers and hundreds of thousands of other voters in bucks county are widely considered a microcosm of the american electorate. almost split between republican and democrat, white collar and

blue collar. a swing county in a swing state. now you may feel some pressure. who will you vote for? >> donald trump? >> how come in. >> i'm a registered republican. i've always voted that way and that's the party i want to support. >> john barrow also works in the bakery. >> i don't want to anger you because you have a knife in your hand. who will you vote for president? >> oh, i don't know. >> reporter: if you had to decide right now? >> i would have to vote for hillary, because don i don't think donald trump would do a good job. >> presidential candidates would declare that every state and county is important, but in reality some are more important than others like here in buck's county where recent political history indicates that if you don't win here you are not so likely to make it to the white house. >> bakery employees seem to be evenly split.

>> what they are not split about is the candidates would take note of if they haven't already. the distaste about the way the presidential race is being conducted. thomas cramer is the bakery owner. >> i feel that the candidates should stick with the subject matter and all this childish behavior should stop. >> it's a sentiment heard all over this county. even among people who have made this presidential decisions. diana di checko said she would vote for trump. >> just to have freer capitalism, more free economic system and also watching our borders. >> reporter: trump's your guy. >> it's very important. >> does your friend agree? >> no, i don't. >> reporter: who do you like? >> i don't like anybody. >>. >> are you going to vote? >> yes. i'd rather that bernie. >> you don't like hillary clinton, the reason you are

voting for her is because you like donald trump even less. >> this year is a rough year. >> that's the message to the candidates from many of the voters in buck's county. it's a rough year and many are disenchanted. none more so than this woman. >> so who do you want for president? >> allison kennedy of the socialist workers party. she's not going to win, but i would rather vote for someone i like that doesn't win than someone i don't like that does win. >> their opinions may vary, but the importance of buck's county voters is not being questioned. gary tuchman, cnn, yardly, pennsylvania. >> there's more to come, a fugitive profiled on season one on "the hunt with john walsh" has been captured. next john walsh will join us with an update and a preview of this weekend's episode. poor mouth breather.

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thinks sex trafficking of children only happens in cambodia, india, vietnam, thailand, and it does. i have been in those countries. but the biggest offender, the biggest user of children in sex trafficking is the united states. this guy has been on my radar for years and i call him a five-star sociopath. in 2010, he's a mexican national that kidnaps little girls in mexico, he's also a professional smuggler, a coyote. he brings them to houston to that madam you saw there, and he kidnapped a girl in 2010, raped her, brought her to houston. she was pregnant by him, had a baby. she tried to -- she gave the baby to a friend, somebody that she trusted in the brothel because they never let her out of that room except to have the baby. he kidnapped the baby to force her back into prostitution. he got caught by authorities. he only served three years. three years for that. >> for destroying so many lives. >> this girl's life, definitely,

and kidnapping her baby. so in 2013, they had a raid on that particular cantina and there are many of them. houston is the big gateway for sex trafficking of latin girls from central america and mexico. so they raided that brothel, caught that madam and 13 other people. they are all in jail. she's doing life without but alphonso diaz juarez is still going back and forth across the border, kidnapping these girls. these are the criminals i hate the most. as the father of a murdered child, i hate people who prey upon children and women. he does both. he beats them, he tortures them, he is a five-star sociopath and we have big following in mexico. i have spanish operators, spanish-speaking operators. only my operators answer the phone. no cops answer the phone. if you are an illegal in the united states, i don't care what your name is. if you are in mexico, i have a toll-free hotline. turn this sociopath in so we can

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