well, welcome to saturday. we're so grateful to see you, i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. your "new day" starts right now. the only way we could lose, in my opinion, i really mean this, pennsylvania, is if cheating goes on. >> this is the biggest load of bull i ever heard. >> he refuses to do what ever other presidential candidates in decades has done and release his tax return. >> the folks out here say they did not expect it to happen this way. they thought they'd get some rain and some flooding maybe up to their front pomps. terrifying scene out here in st. helena parish. at this point, more rain to

come. michael phelps making olympics history again. breakout star simone manuel also breaking history becoming the first african-american woman to ever win an individual swimming event. well good morning. we're going to begin this morning with the race for the white house. and donald trump who headed to connecticut tonight where he's going to rally supporters. >> yeah, and trump's visit to connecticut which hasn't voted for a republican candidate since 1988 comes where he trails hillary clinton in several swing states including there in pennsylvania. >> nbc news "wall street journal" marist pool shows hillary clinton with 11 more points. trump says if he loses pennsylvania is will be because clinton's cheated. cnn's jessica snyder has more. >> reporter: well, victor and

christie, donald trump trying to clarify his comments saying that he was somewhat sarcastic when he talked about president obama and hillary clinton being the founder of isis. but as he toured pennsylvania here in altoona, he also made serious charges, controversial acharges, saying the only way he'd lose this state, the only way hillary clinton would within here in pennsylvania is if cheating was going on. donald trump trying to clarify his comments about president obama and isis. >> i said the founder, obviously being sarcastic, and obviously not that sarcastic, ieg said s founder. very soon he's going over to pick up his most valuable player award? did i say that? >> reporter: after trump

insisted that the president was the founder of the terrorist organization. >> i call president obama and hillary clinton the founders of isis. >> he meant that he created the vacuum he lost the peace. >> but he's the founder -- >> he's not sympathetic to them. he trying to hill them. >> reporter: that come from more that obama's comments he wanted to pull out of iraq. >> we should get them out real fast. >> reporter: it's not the first time that trump has claimed sarcasm to get out of a jam when he said this back in july. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> reporter: he layer dismissed the uproar. >> i obviously was being sarcastic. everybody in the room found it very funny. >> reporter: warning for trump to be more careful with his

words. >> one of the things, the imprecise language. he sometimes uses three words but uses ten. he's got to learn to use language that is thought through. >> reporter: the latest nbc news/"wall street journal" marist poll showing trump lagging in 11 states. 11 points in colorado, trump said he's having trouble in traditionally red utah. >> having a tremendous problem in utah. is anybody here from utah? i mean -- i didn't think so. we're having a problem. >> reporter: and donald trump also seizing on some of bernie sanders words making those remarks about cheating telling his supporters that the system is rigged. he's urging people to go out and avote. donald trump acknowledging the importance of pennsylvania, the state and voters here. telling his supporters we need

to win pennsylvania. telling them to go out and vote. he did talk very specifically and stick to his policy in this speech. he talked about job creation and lowering taxes. law and order. and urging people here to stand behind him and make the polls go his way in november. christie and victor. >> jessica, thank you so much. we've got scoutty nell hughes and scottie, good morning to you. >> good morning. victor. it's been a great week in politics. once again, we had a lot of headlines but last week we could not have predicted this. >> we certainly would not have predicted this headedline 24 hours ago. donald trump claiming that the only way he'll lose pennsylvania if there's cheating going on. however, the latest poll has him 11 points behind. why would he make that about kau

cuization? >> because he's making that of some sort of voter fraud. 19,605. zero votes to mitt romney. let's go to 2008, mccain, 0 of 57 precincts. >> you know exactly were those precincts are. in 2012, 59 precincts are in highly african-american populated areas of philadelphia. and the president won 93% of the african-american vote in 2012. so that's why there were no votes for mitt romney. there were also, in utah, several precinct where is barack obama got zero votes, but there are no claims of voter fraud there in utah. >> absolutely. but let's go back to george w. bush, george w. bush, there were only five precincts in philadelphia that went zero.

you mean to tell me that in all of those areas there wasn't one single republican? i think mr. donald trump is gaining ground because you're seeing a much more aggressive movement for the african-american vote. mr. trump has really tried to go into these communities, reach out into a lot of their leaders and bring them into their campaigns. now, victor, cheating is a harsh word. i think this is more like cheating on that diet by eating that cookie you shouldn't eat but not necessarily cheating on the clinton foundation. >> as the former speaker, newt gingrich put it there, is he -- i feel like, although i shouldn't have, to i should ask every time there's one of these statements made by donald trump. this is sarcasm, this is hyperbole? is this a figure of speech when heization the only way we can lose, pennsylvania, as i really

mean it is, cheating is going on, does he really mean it or something else here? >> you can see by what he put on tv, all of these pundits are trying to figure out where i'm going or where i am. >> in the headlines is one thing, clarity, especially during a national election is another. does he mean it, or does he not? >> well, this is all about engagement, too. >> i feel like i'm not getting an answer to the question here. does he mean this -- it's simply a yes nor. i'm not going to force you to give me a yes or no. does he mean this, or does he not? >> that's a question you ask mr. trump when he comes back on cnn, we can ask him. i think this is why he's -- >> so you don't know? >> i don't think cheating, i don't think of clinton going in there personally and steals -- >> do you know if he means it or not, last time with that question because i've got to move on? >> i think if he says it, he

means it. we saw that with the sarcasm comment. we'll see if he clarifies it again tomorrow morning. >> scottie, stay with us. we've got more questions. we'll be right back. and when we come back, although donald trump has been struggling in recent polls, he says he doesn't plan to change his course of attack. why that could work for him in november. also -- oh, my goodness, what a night until rio for team usa. michael phelps, katie ledecky, both raking in medals in multiple events. that's not what everybody is talking about, the growing backlash over comment it's made by hope solo, why she called sweden's soccer team cowards.

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e-mails by classified. they saw too late nos with a "c" on it. this is the biggest load of bull. they were about telephone calls she needed to make. the state department typically buts a little "c" on it to discourage them from talking in public. >> scottie nell hughes, and maria del. i've got to start with, maria, the president saying this is the biggest load of bull as the former president is asked about lies about the former secretary. is this the way the campaign wants to frame this, at least we're hearing rhetorically, a

very different style from the former president than the former secretary? >> i think what you're hearing from hillary clinton is a simplified way of looking at it, is that hillary clinton never put our national security at risk. he's going into details. two stand out. the first one is that comey was very clear in telling congress that there's absolutely zero evidence that hillary clinton ever misled them or lied to them, number one. and number two, he, under questioning, had to admit that the three e-mails that the fbi said were classified were actually e-mails that had very partial markings on them. even a specialist and an expert on clarification material would not have deemed those to be classified. >> let me get some clarification. >> under any normal circumstance, that would not be the case. >> let me clarify. you said director comey said

there was no evidence that he misled -- >> that secretary clinton misled the fbi, correct. >> what about the american people, that's the question? did she mislead the american people in some of her statements about her server and those e-mails? >> well what she has said from the very beginning, i think, the most important thing is that she has apologized to the american people. let's get that out there. several times in fact. she understands that having a public server was not the right decision. not the right way to go. she's apologized to that. >> i understand that but did she mislead the american people or did she not? >> well, no, because in her understanding of how clarification -- actually many people's understanding of how classified material gets classified, she never intently received or ever sent clarified material. knowingly received or sent classified material. that is what she has said. and that continues to be the case. >> okay. let's watch this exchange back

in september 2015 between secretary is clinton and msnbc andrea mitchell. and then we'll hear an exchange from congressman trey gowdy and director comey. let's watch. >> and it took weeks, but they went through every -- >> single e-mail. >>. >> -- yes, every single e-mail. and they were overly inclusive. if they thought anything was inclusive, so inclusive, the state department said we're going to return 1200 e-mails because they were totally personal. >> secretary clinton said her lawyers read every one of the e-mails and they were overly inclusive. did her lawyers read the e-mails individually? >> no. >> director comey said they didn't do that? >> well, i don't know what

information director comey had or came to that conclusion. but the fact of the matter is, she turned over all related e-mails to the state department. and the only ones that her lawyers kept were her personal e-mails. and you know, republicans continue to harp on this, victor, because they have nothing else to go with her. because they cannot compete in the battlefield of ideas because their comment is coming off the rails with ridiculous irresponsible statements that underscore each and every day just how unfit he is to serve as president of the united states. i understand your desperation. >> let me bring scottie nell hughes in. >> that was a beautiful pivot. >> the clinton people believe some of this is already bake into the numbers. >> yeah. >> and she's in some cases, according to some poll, dubt digits ahead? >> let's realize why she has to apologize. because with every new week there's a new revelation of e-mails it at the state department or fbi, there's a new

revelation that's brought up by some reporter and she has to apologize again for a whole new round of scandals. john mccain's daughter i can't believe i'm going to praise her because she's been highly critical of donald trump said it best yesterday when she said listen, donald trump's words are offensive, but what hillary clinton has done is lethal. it has put people's lives at risk. >> absolutely not. >> well we don't know. the reason why there's an investigation by the fbi on the clintons. >> there isn't one. >> between tying the state department and these issues. to pay for play for someone who hasn't had any knowledge on the international scene, putting him on one of the biggest donor's doors, that puts us all at danger. you have to decide, what scares you more, words or actions. right now, we don't know all of the actions of hillary clinton. that's why this continues to

come up. >> maria, you have a time to respond. >> we know more about hillary clinton in the last 30 years than we'll ever know about any one running for president, number one. number two, the american people are starting to solidify on what choice they prefer. they prefer somebody who has had 30 years of public service, focusing on making people's lives better. who has the knowledge, expertise and temperament to be president versus somebody who has only focused on lining his own pocket at the expense of middle class and working class people who have defrauded people. who says irresponsible things day in and day out. myriads of national security expert from the gop and has said he's a -- that he say danger to the republic. >> we've got to wrap it there. maria cardona, scottie nell hughes. we'll continue at the top of the next hour. christi. big night for the pool in

rio. on the soccer field -- that's where it gets dicey. the women's team losing to sweden. coy wire with hope solo is the the one making waves this morning. coy. >> reporter: good morning, christi and victor. we have great stuff. but wait till you hear what hope solo said to the people to whom they lost. we'll have that and much more coming up after the break. hmb plus 20 grams of protein to help rebuild muscle. for the strength and energy to do what you love. new ensure enlive. always be you. did you know verizon has more than three timesizon. the 4g lte coverage of sprint? and i'm jamie foxx for sprint. pretty much the same coverage if you squint. you are not jamie foxx! sprint is last nationally in 4g lte coverage. well, who is going to notice? what about the left side of the country, huh? this part of texas, california, new york, et cetera? (announcer vo) don't get fooled by cut rate networks. get the best.

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3. 24 minutes past the hour. and katie ledecky does it again. the 19-year-old swimming phenom wins a fourth gold medal of the rio games.

sets another world record in the process. coy wire is out watching all of the action and joining us live from copacabana beach. this had to be something to see, coy, in person. >> reporter: absolutely, christi. you know, i talked with katie before coming down to rio and i asked her simply what is fear. she kind of leaned in and said, what fear? she smiled, shrugged her shoulders and said, i don't know. never heard of it. i love her attitude. 19 years old, katie ledecky, we're watching a once in a lifetime talent, guys. she takes her fourth gold medal in the games in rio. this time in the 800-meter freestyle. it's not that she won but how she won. finishing 11 seconds over the top swimmer. she's competing against olympians here. the best swimmers the world has to offer. katie was emotional after this

win here. michael phelps said that was the first time he's ever seen her in tears. seen true emotion come out of her. she has six olympic medals and 13 world records. >> i was on the floor and just had a lot of fun with it soaking up all of the greats here. i mean, i just feel olympics is the pinnacle of our sport, i have to wait another four years to have this moment again. i'm so happy with how the week has gone. >> reporter: other huge news from the pool, guys, michael phelps will not win his individual race in the olympics. finish for a three-way tie for the silver medal in the 100-meter butterfly. one more hundredth of a second, any would be in second place. joseph schooling of singapore

took the gold medal. that's the second for the country. schooling said phelps is his idol. back in 2008, schooling's parents arranged a meet where he could meet phelps. team usa basketball surviving another scare. this time against serbia, bogdan bogdanovich, two seconds left in the fourth quarter, that shot would have send the game in overtime. usa holds on winning, 94 to 91. next up for the u.s. matchup with tony parker and fans tomorrow afternoon. finally one of the biggest upsets in the games comes in women's soccer. team usa gets knocked out of the tournament by sweden in penalty kicks. american goaltender hope solo who allowed sweden's final penalty kick.

didn't hold back. saying we lost to a bunch of cowards. the better team did not win. end quote. that's not going to fare well victor and christi for her popularity because she was booed earlier for the crowds attending them when she was making fun of zika virus that has been prevalent here. not a good look for the u.s. soccer team in their loss. >> coy wire, always good to see you. thank you, sir. hillary clinton laid down the challenge again. she released her tax returns and now she's calling on donald trump to dot same. plus, deadly floods in louisiana. one town surrounded entirely by that water. and the rain seems to be coming down again. it just won't let up. we'll take a look at the forecast in a moment.

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good morning to you. i'm christy paull. >> i'm victor blackwell. good to be with you. 87 days until the election. donald trump is lashing out telling the supporters in pennsylvania, if he loses the state of pennsylvania, voter fraud is to blame. >> the only way we can lose, in my opinion, i really mean this, pennsylvania is if cheating goes on. >> the latest polls in pennsylvania shows that clinton has an 11-point advantage there. and hillary clinton has sent a

message to donald trump. the democratic candidate released her 2015 tax returns. a move to put the pressure on donald trump to release his, something he's trofd do because he said he's being audited. pamela brown is breaking her clinton's numbers. pamela, good morning. >> well, good morning, christi and victor. hillary clinton and tim kaine released their tax returns on friday making the case they have nothing to hide unlike donald trump. >> reporter: hillary clinton is putting the pressure on donald trump to release his tax returns. >> he refuses to do what every other presidential candidate in decades has done and release his tax returns. >> reporter: clinton and her husband bill released their 2015 tax return which showed they raked $10.8 million when she was running for president. much less than the $28 million they made in 2014. they paid a third of their income to uncle sam, $3.2

million. making their effective tax rate 30.6%. at the same time, the campaign disclosed ten years of returns from running mate tim kaine and his kind of ann holton. they reported $313,000 in income. the clinton says now it's trump's turn. >> we will only know if he's the real deal or phony if he releases his tax return. >> reporter: it's part of the campaign that includes a new video calling on trump to release his returns. >> the last 30 or 40 years every candidate for president has released third tax returns and i think donald trump should as well. >> he doesn't want to do it because presumably there's something in there that is bad. >> reporter: trump said he'll release his returns once an irs audit is complete.

>> well look i'm under an odd gift, who is a lawyer what when you're under a routine audit you that don't release. >> reporter: a point that bernie sanders seized on during the democratic primary and trump could revive. >> i am going to release all of the transcripts of the speeches that i gave on wall street behind closed doors. not for 225,000. not for 2,000, not for 2 cents, there were no speeches. >> clinton has said she'll release her speech transcripts when donald trump does. meantime the returns out friday show nearly 10% of the clintons' income went to charitable contributions. most of that, $1 million was donated to the private clinton family foundation. christi and victor. >> pamela, thank you. cnn's comment tart and political

anchor for new york one errol louis is with us. errol, what was the biggest release for you particularly the money that went to the clinton foundation. >> what struck me they did not have to structure their taxes the way they did. keep in mind, christi, this was for 2015 when she knew she was going to be a candidate. she spent the entire year running for president. we don't have to pity her for making only 10 million plus dollars while she was running for president. but it was striking to me there were some obvious things she could have done with that income that would have lowered her affected tax rate. she could have invested in farlland. she could have invested it in rental property. she could have invested it in stocks and bonds and taken what they all passive income. all of which would have been taxed at a lower rate and resulted back in credits to her. and they chose not to do it. it's a very political document, they basically paid more than

they needed to. one point of clarification, when you talk about her personal family foundation. that's different from the clinton foundation that we've all been covering and writing and broadcasting back. the private foundation is kind of a clearinghouse, a chance to put their myriad donations to. it's not that highly visible, politically charged clinton foundation that's gotten so much attention. this is really just a way to move their personal charity to local churches and other kinds of giving that they're giving, that's really just for family members to contribute directly to local charitable efforts. >> thank you for that. we appreciate it because the clinton foundation is in the news. i want to read you something from an investigation that was done on this. cnn was told at least three different justice department field offices all came to the conclusion that there should be an investigation launched into

some -- any sort of -- i think it was call the corruption of some sort. between the clinton foundation and hillary clinton's time as asecretary of state. this, of course, coming after cheryl mills traveled to new york. she was the chief of staff for hillary clinton. she traveled to new york to volunteer her time for the clinton foundation. so, a lot of foggy areas between the relationship that was there. and the work that was happening. again, cnn was told three different justice department field officers came to the conclusion there should be an investigation launched, higher up, but the justice department examined it, and they did not agree. concluding that it was more political than substantive. so, when you read that, errol, even if there was no wrongdoing at all by hillary clinton, what does this do to speak to her trustworthiness, how toxic or

damaging might it be? >> this won't help her trustworthiness numbers in the polls to say the least. it's worth keeping in mind. i thought this was true all along with the e-mail controversy, it's that it this is something that will be and in my opinion should be litigated so to speak through the political process. in other words, tell the voters everything you know and let the voters make up their minds. and they're telling the pollsters they don't like the odor that this whole arrangement sort of gives off. and i think the ultimate decision by the justice department was a right one. they could have gone in a different direction. as we know, the justice department, the fbi, these are prosecutors, these are people who do criminal investigations. it is the main tool that they have. so, when you in fact have a hammer, almost every problem looks like a nail. there's always going to be a bias in the direction of let's do an investigation. let's not give the target the benefit of the doubt. let's see if there's a crime here. that really puts things in a

light in a political season would harm the candidate, regardless of what the outcome of the investigation yields. so, i think we've got the right balance. voters will just make up their minds. if what they see really bothers them, the cheryl mills thing about obvious conflict of interest at odds with what secretary clinton promised she would do. and what somebody would expect mb in her mission to do. and we'll figure it out november 8th. >> cnn had a poll who was honest and trustworthy, both hillary clinton and donald trump coming in at 64% as not trustworthy and honest. so, the roller coaster continues, errol louis. thank you so much. >> absolutely. >> we're going to talk with him later, too, about trump criticism of the media. still to come, this flood emergency hit southeast louisiana. the rivers there still rising. desperately, rescuers are trying to save people from the raging waters.

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breaking news out of southeast louisiana, dangerous floods that killed at least three people now. a father swept away near baton rouge is still missing at this hour. louisiana's governor declaring a state of emergency. and in the meantime, the rain is still coming down. the town of livington has seen 17 inches just since midnight. at least two dozen rescues have been carried out. people swept from their cars, homes and even trees. meteorologist --

>> victor, christi, we've seen at least 36 hours of solid rain. we see records being shattered. refers outside of baton rouge crested three feet above the previous crest high. that was set in the early '80s. that is amazing. in fact, you can see it rose 20 feet in the matter of 14 hours. that is incredible, and that is called flash flooding, my friends. take a look at this. baton rouge has received nearly its monthly average in a 24-hour period. extremely wet. extremely satch rated conditions across this area. as victor just mentioned we have had reports of 17 to 20 inches of rain locally across the

northern sections of la. the live radar, as we zoom into the heaviest rainfall. it continues to impact baton rouge down towards the new orleans region. really, just to the west, that's where the bulk of the heavy rainfall assists at this moment in time. flash flood warnings exist. anywhere you see that shading of red watches around that, that ends to the gulf coast not including the lake pontchartrain area. the national weather service has issued flood watches across this region. look at how the rain spreads into missouri, parts of tennessee, kentucky, as well as ohio and michigan. who could potentially receive 3 to 6 inches of rainfall to that region. >> derek van dam. we appreciate it so much. we'll be right back. needs... all in one. purina one. healthy energy, all in one. strong muscles, all in one. highly digestible,

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welcome back. prosecutors in colorado are upset with the judge in a college sex assault case. they say the sentence he handed down to a convicted rapist is who lenient. cnn's dan simon has details for you. >> reporter: 22-year-old austin wilkerson has been sentenced to two years in the boulder county jail. but there's a catch, it's called work release. an arrangement where defendants are able to go to work or school during the day. prosecutors say it's too lenient of a sentence for a convicted rapist. >> we were hoping to see a prison sentence in this case. obviously, we feel that prison is appropriate for someone who commits a rape of this nature. and particularly given the aggravated facts here.

>> reporter: they were students at the university of colorado. it was march 2014. a st. patrick's day party. lots of drinking, wilkerson offered to look after the victim. instead, prosecutors say he sexually assaulted her. court documents say when confronted by investigators, wilkerson she made repeated. in court, wilkerson's story changed, claiming the encounter was consensual and that the victim was sober. >> he definitely, in our opinion, and as we argued to the court, throughout the process has given the jury a story that at that moment is best going to serve him. >> reporter: in the end, jurors found wilkerson guilty of sexual assault and unlawful sexual contact. changing his story yet again, he admitted to his crime and apologized at sentencing. judge patrick said he struggled

with the decision. mr. wilkerson deserves to be punished. i think we all need to find out if he truly can or cannot be rehabilitated. the outcome comparing comparisons to stanford brock miller who received six months in jail for raping a woman behind a dumpster. the colorado case being the latest example. >> in this case, we have come to accept that light sentences in these crimes are the norm. >> prosecutors requested a sentence of 4 to 28 years in state prison. wilkerson's lawyer did not give comment but that his client has general remorse. dan simon, cnn, san francisco. >> cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey

jackson with us now. good morning, joey. in a sentencing memorandum, they noted this is equivalent to felony three sexual assault for which he was convicted. in that same class, vehicular homicide. do you think this is the appropriate sentence? >> christi, i do not at all. for many reasons. when you look at the reasons why sentence egg of any type would be appropriate. you look at the tenets of the system, punishment and rehabilitation. i think the sentence failed in those regards. in terms of punishment, what is it? you look in terms of the offense that he committed it's a victim that he promised we should remind viewers to get her ohm safely, he broke that commitment in as much as he raped her and the jury found him guilty. then you look at the deterrent value. what is the deterrent? what are others going to think out there? you can just rape someone, violate someone and get away with it? so does it deter? when you talk about

rehabilitation, it's difficult to argue of being rehabilitative in terms of sentence when you think that this is serious. with respect to the victim. the victim impact statement just chilling in terms of what it did to her psychologically, what it did to her emotionally, the financial toll it took on her. i think judges really need to be a little more considerate. a lot more considerate, i'm understating it in a sentence. >> there's something that stuck out to me, in a sentencing memorandum they argued that actions speak louder than words. the defendant raped a helpless young woman after duping the people around her into believing he was going to care for her. tried to cover up his crime reeshgs petedly lied about what he did, including end oath at trial. the state probation department recommended no imprisonment because of his impressive responsibility and empathy for the woman.

the delayed empathy ab said solve the sentence? >> that's it. critty, i'm so sorry, i didn't mean it, i'll never do it again. but obviously, the system wants you to accept responsibility ultimately. but many argue did they get this treatment? to the extent that the judge relies on a pre-sentence report where probation says he's accepting now. i think the judge is hiding behind that. i can tell you many times i have a pre-sentencing report that a judge disregards. and the judge does what they believe is appropriate for all parties concerned. i think that was lost here. knowing empathy should not absolve someone. as we've seen in this piece. this has been an issue for a

lost university communities. how much responsibility does the court have to think about that, about the message that it sends? >> i think it's huge, christi. it goes back again to the tenets of the system, punishment, deterrent, and rehabilitation. and a judge, although given why discretion as we see here. we saw what the judge did with that discretion, 20 years' probation and the few years of work release. you want to send a message that deters. so this doesn't happen. you, sir, you're convicted, you're not going to do it again. and anybody who would attempt to do this to a woman, they won't do it either. you need to punish adequately. i'm all for rehabilitation. i argue that all the time. >> you can have rehabilitation with prison sentences. >> exactly, they're not mutually exclusive. at the top of the hour, new claims from donald trump about

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>> folks out here said they didn't expect to happen this way. terrifying scene in st. helena parish. at this point, more rain to come. michael phelps making olympic history again. breakout star simone manuel also making history becoming the first african-american woman ever to win an individual swimming event. and in his bid to be president, donald trump is staring down a significant challenge in some key battleground states. double digits in colorado, florida, north carolina, virginia. in the latest nbc news/"wall street journal/marist poll. today, trump will head to a state that will likely be more favorable to hillary clinton. "are the. >> the campaign manager said connecticut is in play. but the last time it voted for a republican was in 1988 for george h.w. bush.

chris sipes is joining us now. chris, even though trump's in connecticut we cannot miss headlines that he's making serious charges about the state of the race in pennsylvania. >> that's right, christi. you know as much as i do when donald trump is ahead in the polls he'll be the first to tell you they're tremendous, they're fantastic. but when he's not, then he'll argue that the system is rigged. trump last night again, argued the only way they could lose the state is if there's cheating. >> the only way we could lose, in my opinion, i really mean this, pennsylvania, is if cheating goes on. the only way they can beat it in my opinion, and i mean this 100% is if in certain sections of the state, they cheat, okay? so, i hope you people can sort of not just vote on the 8th, go around and look and watch other polling places. and make sure that it's 100%

fine. >> now, trump provided no evidence that there's cheating going on in pennsylvania. in fact, the accusation comes as trump is badly lagging in the polls there. a recent quinnipiac poll, likely pennsylvania voters shows clinton beating trump by 10 points. 52% to 42%. and if he does lose the state in november, he'll be part of a trend. the last time the state voted for a republican 1988. now, trump's habit of suggesting the system's rigged without providing any evidence that it is has led some commentators to worry he's delegitimizing the entire political process. in fact when our own erin burnett asked trump supporter ben carson if this is hurting democracy, carson just dives the question. >> good to see you, chris frates. joining me here in atlanta co-chair of women vote trump and

marineia cardona, a clinton supporter. amy, i want to start with here. after the week, i need to ask about this comment we heard from donald trump, is he being sarcastic? is he exaggerating, this is hyperbole? >> on the -- >> voting, cheating, yeah. >> i think we need to focus on winning. that's what we need to focus on, getting out to vote and everybody being active until that last ballot is cast. i mean, voter fraud is a serious issue. >> okay. >> there have been concerns before but i think we need to focus on getting 0 out to vote. >> donald trump says the only way we can lose knew opinion, and i really mean this, pennsylvania is if cheating goes on. the only way they can beat it in my opinion, and i mean this 100% is if in certain sections of the state they cheat. i'm going to ask you is he genuine or sarcasm? >> i'm not in donald trump's

mind. >> is it if supporters don't know if he's serious or joking? >> i think we need to get out to vote. i don't care if he's 10 points ahead or 20 points ahead or 10 points down or 20 points down, you work until that last ballot is cast. >> donald trump says the only way he can lose pennsylvania is if the clinton democrats cheat pipe look at the nbc news/"wall street journal/marist poll and donald trump is viewed favorably because of regardless of race, age, military service. how does he believe in being under water in all 21 of those categories is that the only way he's going to lose is that people cheat? >> i think a lot of who you are polling are regular voters. i think he's going to turn out a lot of new voters that have never been involved in the

process before. we saw that in the primaries. look, victor, obviously, polls do matter. at the end of the day it goes out to what i said, it's about getting out to vote. i mean, personally i believe, that, yes, poll, important. they're a snapshot in time. i mean, what you're seeing in polls today may not be the same thing that you're seeing next week or even two months from now. so ha what matters is if you get out to vote. i think people are going to be voting on issues. jobs in the economy. >> fair point. but is it healthy for a candidate for president to say that the system here, locally, and again there is no federal nationwide system that's rung these. these are local municipal, statewide county elections in these community dhas they're already -- is that healthy -- >> well, i say you can volunteer to be a poll watcher. you can work at the polls. if you're concerned about that, that's what you can do. we have people doing that all

across the country. >> that's not what he's saying. what he's saying is, if i lose, the fix is in. >> i'm not in donald trump's head. >> do you support that -- >> do i support -- >> do you support the concept if donald trump doesn't win, they cheated, democrats cheated? >> we need to look at voter fraud. i want everybody to focus on getting out to vote and working for the candidate that you believe in, in both sides. >> let me skushask you, getting to vote, if you believe the system is rigid what's the value of getting out if the candidate says they're just going to do whatever they choose? >> look, you have to go and work for your candidate and encourage people to get out and vote and vote on the issues that matter. and some point, if allegations of voter fraud come up, we won't know until it happens and you deal with it. to say there's no voter fraud is not correct.

because there has been. >> there's been a very small number and isolated cases, you make a point there have been cases. it's not widespread in the wray that donald trump says if he loses pennsylvania where more than 5.5 million votes were fast in 2012. >> i don't think anybody can say that until after the election. >> donald trump just said it 87 days before the election. >> let's focus on getting out to vote. getting them to make phone calls. >> we had a technical issue we had to solve with maria cardona. i understand we have maria now. donald trump, is he playing summon of the unfavor about, untrustworthy numbers that haunt hillary clinton in saying that if i lose pennsylvania, then they still win? or is this something else? >> well i think he is certainly trying to do that.

but i think more than anything else, and what is so dangerous about this kind of irresponsible rhetoric is that he's already laid the predicate for a loss. i think that he's already seeing these poll numbers. and so what he's doing is, when hillary clinton wins, his supporters are not going to be able to accept that outcome in any way, shape or form. because of this kind of language that he's using. he will online be trying to delegitimize the process. de delegitimize the president of the united states, but he's doing and giving his supporters the excuse anything that they think may be appropriate to make sure they're voicing discontent. and basically saying the whole system is rigged. it's a completely irresponsible strategy here because i believe that he knows he is on a pathway

to lose. and he's trying to make sure that he does everything he can so that his supporters can't accept whatever outcome that is. which at this point is probably that hillary clinton is going to win. >> we've got to take a quick break. we'll bring both of you back. we'll delve into another hot topic on the campaign trail. we're going to talk about taxes and donald trump's claim if he loses pennsylvania, it's because it was rigged. we'll be right back. from our blog to video editing... our technology has to hang tough with us. when you're going to a place without electricity, you need a long battery life. the touch, combined with the screen resolution... a mac doesn't have that. we wanted to help more people get out there and see the world. once you take that leap, that's where the magic happens. i'm hillary clinton, and i approve this message. michael hayden: if he governs consistent with some of the things

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trump. where are yours? we have maria cardona, a clinton supporter. quickly, amy, donald trump, do you believe he should release his tax return? >> i believe that -- he's a private citizen. there's no law that requires them to release his tax returns. >> that is correct. >> so it's up to him. it's his personal choice. i will say, while there is no law for him to release his tax returns there say law that requires hillary clinton to turn over her e-mails and she broke the law. >> there's a bit of a scoff with maria cardona, saand i'll get t that. >> i don't have a problem with him releasing them. i'm not concerned about that. i'm concerned about what is he going to do to get back on track to make sure we're safe and

secure and the economy and people have jobs. his tax returns are going to do nothing for that information. >> maria, what about that argument, people don't vote on tax returns specifically. when you rank what voters care about, it's not falling in the top ten. there's economy, national security, you know. >> sure. no, absolutely. but there's also another reality it's that 69% of american voters do want to see his tax returns. they are concerned about what might or might not be in there. there's a reason why this has been something that for over frou40 years, presidential candidates from both parties, whether they're under auditor not, have released their tax returns. it's an issue of openness and transparency. the american people have a right to know, for example, what is your tax rate? have you paid any taxes? what are your charitable contributions when you underscore how much you have given the charity?

is that true? is it not true? are you lying about that? what are your foreign business practices? so, i can understand why donald trump doesn't want to release his tax returns. the tax returns we have seen from him in the late '70s, victor, he paid zero taxes. i'm not saying that's illegal. but what i am saying is that when you have a candidate running for president of the united states who is a multibillionaire, and the american people see that he has paid zero taxes, i don't think that's something that they're going to think is a great thing to have in a candidate who is seeking to run a government that he himself refuses to fund. >> this is a thing, though. it's that we're talking about -- he's not required to do it. why are we not talking about these e-mails and the state department and the pay to play that was going on there. that's really what the american people care about and concerns them. >> we have talked about the e-mails and the server, maria. >> yes, we have.

with transparency, let's see the e-mails. >> you have seen the e-mails, amy. >> no, we haven't. >> yes, you have. >> we have had the e-mail conversation. speaking of somebody in that position in the show, we'll continue to have that e-mail conversation. maria, a poll jumped out at me from bloomberg this week. i want to put it up on the screen. they asked participants about two statements being made, without telling them who made the statements. which described the situation. first, the u.s. is in a dark and dangerous place with threats from overseas and our borders. at second the u.s.s. in a strong place from the economy respectively from donald trump and hillary clinton. again, the voters participating in this didn't know that. 56% of the people pictured trump's depiction. 40% picked clinton's depiction. is the clinton campaign fully appreciating the unease across the country, are they painting too rosy of a picture? >> well, i think that they are

certainly painting a picture that america is great, that we can do a lot better. but that inherently, we are an optimistic country that has hope for the future. regardless of where we have been in the past. and i think that what clinton is saying, and what she says ever day on the trail is that even though we have made incredible progress in the last eight years because president obama was handed a huge hole thanks to republican economic policies, we still need to do more. there's no question that we need to do more. and he acknowledges that people are in pain, and that they are anxious. and she focuses on making sure that she is working to make an economy that works for everyone, versus donald trump that's going to continue republican policies of only helping rich people like himself. >> all right. we've got to wrap it up there. >> these are not republican policies that have been the past eight years, we don't need four more of the same. >> and he's done great in the last eight years given where we

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22 minutes past the hour. tonight, michael phelps brings his olympic career to a close in rio. we're already seeing a new

generation take over for the former as katie ledecky dom natures in the poll. and this was a win to take the record books, coy wire watching all the action. joining us live from copacabana beach. hey, coy. >> reporter: hi, christi. i talked to katie before coming down here she's just a once in a lifetime athlete because she has the physical challenge and also this focus that is outmatched by no one. she's 19 years old. she doesn't even have they are driver's license yet. she's that focused. but katie ledecky taking the gold medal, this time in the 800-meter freestyle, and she finished 11 seconds over the sweater. she could have hopped out of the pool, put on her parka and sipped on a recovery smoothie before the others finished. katie did get emotional in her final. there were tears.

six medals and 13 world records. and others in the news. michael phelps losing in a three-way tie for silver behind joseph schooling from singapore. guys he has the men's 4x100-meter medley. and a good shot there. phelps said i have two laps left in my career, unquote. a huge upset in rio. the u.s. women's soccer team going down. knocked out of the tournament by sweden in penalty kicks. american goaltender hope solo who allowed sweden's final score talked trash afterwards. she told reporters, quote, we lost tie bunch of cowards. the better team did not quiwin." not good for hope.

>> and finally the world's fastest man is set to defend his gold medals in records. jamaica's usain bolt to run in the qualifiers of the 100-meter dash today. bolt and justin gatlin are expected to finish one/two in the final tomorrow. christi that will be one heck of an event. justin gatlin told me a few days ago he wants to earn back his title he had in '04. usain bolt said gatlin will feel his wrath. >> notice they said they'll finish one and two, he didn't say in which order. coy wire, we appreciate it. thank you. a flood emergency hits southeast louisiana. the rivers are still rising and rescuers are working around the clock to save people from raging waters. we've got a live report from one of the hardest areas. also former mayor rudy

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in pennsylvania, if he loses the state in november, voter fraud is to blame. >> the only way we can lose, in my opinion, i really mean this, pennsylvania, is if cheating goes on. >> meanwhile, hillary clinton released her 2015 tax returns and made a statement for trump to release him. she vorted an annual income of $10.6 million with an affected tax rate of 30.6%. cnn's chris cuomo sat down with trump support and former mayor rudy giuliani. >> he said the media is doing this to me. the media is rigged. do you think my coverage is rigged? >> i don't think yours is rigged but i think a lot of coverage is rigged. >> you have to apologize for it. >> i'm not going to apologize. >> could he explain -- >> he didn't say words --

>> he didn't say go out and vote either did he? >> no, but you say things. >> enough year said things in front of a crowd that have them chanting lock them up about the media about reporters calling them liars? >> the coverage is not there. if you can't see that, i can't help you see that. >> no politician likes the media. no politics says that the media is fair for them, that we're doing our job? >> nobody brought up hillary's comments about bobby kennedy. >> what are you talking about, it's all over the place? >> no, it isn't, not three days. "the new york times" failed to point out in any kind of highlighted way the fact that a terrorist and the father of a terrorist was sitting behind hillary clinton and they failed to ask the question, what attracted him to her? what attracted that taliban -- >> what attracted mark foley to donald trump?

>> i don't know. questions were asked about that. >> not as much as -- >> he was asked about david duke he's never met. >> you don't think it's a legitimate question? >> hillary hasn't been asked about the father yet. >> that's not true, they've been all over the campaign. >> his answer was thank you. >> rudy, you just said she hasn't been asked. the answer is, that's wrong. she has been asked. you know what i'm saying, i understand why you support him, i get it, but you apologize for him. >> chris -- >> that puts you in an awkward situation. >> not for me. >> you're right, you don't apologize, maybe you should. it might be the more honorable thing to do. >> it wouldn't be the more honorable thing to lie. what he meant was -- >> if you're saying it's on the media, that's not lying but it's also not accurate, right? but it's wrong? >> the media took words that were not violent words and the media interpreted them as violent words.

>> all right. let's bring in national public radio tv critic ed begins, swelsz commentator errol lewis. it does get heated. do you see bias in the way trump is covered versus the way hillary clinton is covered? >> i have to say i don't see the kind of bias that rudy giuliani and trump supporters have been talking about. you know, trump's appeal and success has been in being so visible in the media. in being somewhat saying things that generate a lot of coverage. and it worked very well for him in the primaries. now, that he's in the general election, some of the same things that he's saying, they're generating tough coverage from news media outlets. and they seem to be complaining about it. and that's the thing that i don't quite understand. he knows that his appeal comes from dominating the news cycle.

and when you dominate the news cycle, you do tend to generate a lot of tough coverage, especially when the race narrows down to two people which is what we're seeing right now. >> errol, do you believe, is there any evidence it's strategic? he says he doesn't like the coverage, but he keeps creating headlines himself. >> well, of course, it's strategic. donald trump favorite method of putting out a fire is to start a new fire. and he pretty much has acknowledged that in a very interesting exchange he had with hue hewitt the other night in a conversation is he actually accusing the president of the united states of being with a terrorist organization. he turned it into a metaphor. he also said, they're going to be talking about the way i put it as opposed to the way you do

it, as he was talking to hue hewitt. i've watched this for an entire generation. this is now he came to national prominence through the tabloids including one i worked for, new york daily news. he used to call up newspapers understand a false name and plant stories. some of which made him look pretty awful, but he's always wanted lots and lots of attention. when it doesn't go his way, he always uses his own vocabulary. he uses the word "unfair." you catch him in a law which he's being caught in over and over again, he says you're being unfair to me. i don't think anything of this is taken seriously. when you catch him and don't play along with him, when he does something like obviously mock a reporter and claim we can't see what we just saw, then point out, you just mocked a reporter.

you're being unfair to me. okay. fine. we understand how to translate. i think most viewers understand exactly what's going on here. >> but he could be on both ends of the spectrum here. eric, hillary clinton just relosed any new interview on her podcast, the interviewer is on her payroll, a clinton supporter. saying he's not supporting the media, talking to someone who supports her. does that aid somebody who is comi coming to her? >> i think hillary clinton has faced criticism for not making herself available to the media. when she did speak to the national association of black journalists, the point was made that journalists would like to have more access to her. i think both candidates, hillary clinton and donald trump have both complained about her press coverage. i will say what's happening with

donald trump is that he speaks during his speeches in a way that sometimes seems like he's trying to speak in code. he will say something like this second amendment reference. and reporters are left to try to figure out what exactly he means. and in one instance, he will back up what he's saying and say he meant "x." and in other instances he will come back and say no, i was joking a couple days later. so in many instances when they try to speak code to followers, it's easy to understand what they're doing. in trump's case, he seems to be putting the message out there and when the media says you seem to be saying x, y or z he will double down and either deny it or not say it. then he criticizes the coverage when he seems to be thread a

needle between talking in code or more directly. >> errol, in the presidential debate, how problematic, do you think that's going to be, for donald trump? the fact that chris cuomo was getting to the point there, you have to have him say one thing and his surrogates come on and explain what he meant. that's not going to be okay in the oval office? >> not only that, it's not going to be okay in the campaign trail. that's why i think you see hip slipping in the polls. that's why the obvious frustration with the media is bubbling over. it's not our job to go behind and clean up all kind of statements that are made all over the place. quite frankly, his surrogates have a hard time doing it in part because his organization has not provided him with talking points in a timely way. i can't tell you how many times, christi, in the last year, i've run into his folks in green rooms. they have no idea what to say. it's unfair to them to expect them to clean up something?

>> you mean they don't know what to say? >> he'll say something and they'll dial it back. exactly like eric said. they're not giving any clue or warning that something he claimed on monday is going to be changed on tuesday. it happens over and over again. >> eric and errol, we appreciate you being here. the ten-points netflix documentary has people talking. one of the men featured in "making a murderer" could soon be free. plus, record rainfall, deadly flash floods pummel areas of louisiana. >> reporter: good morning, victor, the flooding has essentially cut off many neighborhoods. ahead, when the rain will finally cool down. well she loves to say,

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43 minutes after the hour. and breaking news in louisiana. a flood emergency for several communities. dangerous rushing waters have claimed at least three lives. one man who was swept away is still missing. now the pounding rain is not letting up. to give you an idea of just how wet it is, baton rouge got 9 1/2 inches of rainfall in just 24 hours. that's nearly 4 inches more than they average for the entire month of august. now, the water rose so quickly, already at least two dozen people have been rescued from their homes, cars, some people pulled from trees. cnn's boris sanchez is following the latest for us. boris, i'm looking at this waterlogged community around you. i would imagine, a lot of

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you see water on the door handle of that business. after so many days of persistent rain where the ground was saturated. and a lot of rivers, canals and tributaries just overflowed into these neighborhoods. as you said, victor, at least three people were killed. one person is still missing. more than 12,000 people are without power right now. and many, many people have been forced out of their homes. we talked to a man yesterday who told us he was camping out at a gas station because he didn't know wres here else to go. there was a shelter nearby. and many people were gathered there. unfortunately, the church was invaded and pews were floating around. it's a precarious situation. officials told us they had conducted five rescues in just one hour. so a lot of people are trying to get the hope here is that the water

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he wanted 20 million people to watch the hugely popular documentary "making a murderer" because the federal judge in wisconsin overturned brendan dassey conviction. he was sent to prison with his uncle for the murder of a woman. he was 16 years at the time with a learning disability. the judge learned that the judge violated his constitutional rights and gave prosecutors 90 days to decide if they are going to retry dassey. if they do not, he will be released. the criminal attorney joey jackson is with us. the judge slammed investigators, of course, one of dassey's former attorneys. how does he believe that dassey was wronged? >> well, what happens, christie, is this. good morning. the case against dassey largely

relied upon his confession. remember how powerful confessions are because essentially you're saying, yes, i was there as he did, i did it, i aided, i abetted, i participated. a confession is compelling, ab confession is everything. however, it has to be voluntary and knowing and can't be coerced in any way. you can't be intimidated into giving it. you can't otherwise be promised things into giving a confession it. has to be fully voluntary. the court said it was not and based that on a number of factors including the fact he's a juvenile. that his mental i.q. and other mental abilities are somewhat deficient and the fact that the investigators took advantage of him. in light of that, it was the court's conclusion that the confession was not voluntary to the extent that the investigators really exploited him. the courts said, you can't do it. then the final piece of the analysis, of course, is while

maybe it's harmless error. so what, he confessed, did it make a difference? it made all the difference because based upon the confession, really, when he was testifying in court, the prosecutors really made neat of him, if i can say that, by whatever he testified. well, you didn't say that before during the interrogation, didn't you? so he was convicted upon that. the court says, you get a new trial. >> listen to how one of the defense attorneys feature in the documentary reacted to the news. aic a look, take a look. >> the court found, the finally a court of justice has found that the investigators' techniques that were used on brendan dassey were improper, they were false promises of leniency, they manipulated him and took advantage of his mental limit takeses to, psychologically force him into,

at least, co hers him into saying what they believed the truth to be, and only what they believed the truth to be. >> we are so late in the game now. >> yeah, there's really not. in fact, the court goes to say in its decision, you know, 90-some odd day decision, that we're really not ascribing malicious intentions to the investigators at all with regard to what they did here. we're just saying what they did is constitutionally impermissible. so i wouldn't look to see anything happen to them. the real question is, will they retry him without a confession now, it's a whole new ball game because now he's not implicating himself. the state needs to find independent evidence to show he's guilty. >> do you think they will retry? >> it really depends on what outside evidence they have. in the first trial against him where he was convicted of everything and sentenced to life, you know, the confession was that the beginning of the case, the middle of the case,

the end of the case. it meant all. so now what they have to do is go back, look at what evidence they have that might support a conviction without him implicating himself. and what they have really in the files will largely depend upon whether they go at him again or just let it go. >> you know, joey, i think a lot of people look at this and wonder, did the netflix documentary series have anything to do with what we're seeing up ravel here? what is your assessment in that regard? >> well, christie, i have to say that it really did. i think that the country was compelled with that series about the process itself, with the efficiencies of the process, with whether the police were taking advantage of this youth with his mental instability or at least his mental deficiencies. and i think that really those things that are done in the dark had to come out in the light. now, i say that figuratively, of course, because the confession was from 11:00 to 4:00. and even though it was from

11:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. ten years ago, the fact is that it was only three hours in duration. but when you do things and you do things behind closed doors and you take advantage of someone and their parents are not there and you promise them, and you're going to go home, and it's going to be okay. just tell us what you need to tell us and just be honest. of course, he veers off from what they deem to be honest. they say, that is really not what happened, did it? tell us what we need to know. i think essentially when the world sees that, it really shines a bright light on it. i think it forces the courts to real examine it because at the end of the day we need to trust the justice process. so i would be one to say, the facts are what they are, this has nothing to do with it. i'm one that firmly believes that it really did. >> joey, you have 20 seconds. stephen avery also convicted in this murder. what do you think is in store for him, does it change anything? >> not as it relates to him. although to the extend that the

confession really implicates him, i see his attorneys says, well, wait a second. that evidence was compelling and as a result of that, we have to look at his case. if that is no longer on the table from this point of view when it cannot come in in his trial, what else do you have to convince my client? so although this doesn't directly do anything with this case, i think in the future we will certainly see some motions being filed to have his case looked at anew. >> joey jackson, always appreciate your insight. thank you. >> thank you. and let's talk a little politics, shall we? >> let's do it. the next hour starts right now. the only way we can lose, in my opinion, i really mean this, pennsylvania, is if cheating goes on. >> this is the biggest faux pas i have heard. >> he refuses to do what every other presidential candidate has done and lease his tax return.

>> folks here say they did not expect it to happen this way. they thought they would get rain and flooding up to their front porches. a terrifying scene out here in st. helena parish. at this point more rain is to come. michael phelps making history again. the break-out star simone manuel also making history, becoming the first african-american woman to ever win an individual swimming event. well, look who is up and at 'em. happy saturday morning. i'm christi paul. >> and i'm chris blackwell. >> you've got to get your people out to vote, and especially in the states where we're represented -- i have a tremendous problem in utah.

>> to put trump's comments in perspective, utah has not gone for democrats since 1964. the numbers are not good in battleground states. let's talk about pennsylvania and bring in chris, good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, victor. as you know, when donald trump is ahead in the polls, he'll be the first to tell anybody, those surveys are tremendous, they are fantastic. but when he's losing, well, he'll argue the system is rigged. last night in pennsylvania trump again argued that the only way he could lose is if there's cheating. >> the only way we can lose, in my opinion, i really mean this, pennsylvania, is if cheating goes on. the only way they can beat it, in my opinion, and i mean this 100%, if in certain sections of the state they cheat. okay? so i hope you people can sort of not just vote on the eight, go

around and watch other polling places and make sure that it's 100% fine. >> reporter: now trump provided no evidence of any cheating going on in pennsylvania. in fact, the accusation comes as trump is badly lagging clinton in the polls there. a state that is critical if trump is going to win the white house. a recent quinnipiac poll of likely voters shows clinton beating trump by ten points. that's 52% to 42%. if he does lose the state in november, he won't be alone in the history books. the last time the state voted for a republican in the presidential, 1988. and trump's trying to buck that trend by appealing to white working class voters there. hillary clinton, of course, going after the suburbs. but the billionaires are suggesting that the system is rigged and not providing any evidence of it has led commentators to worry he may be deill jit m

deillegitimizing the whole democratic process. when erin burnett asked ben carson about this last night, he didn't want to answer. >> we'll bring in our panelists. robert zimmerman, a democratic strategist and hillary clinton supporter. and we have mr. hughes, a donald trump supporter. we'll start with where chris left off there and you, scotty, does this hurt for donald trump to say that the system is rigged? >> well, let's go ask bernie sanders people. let's go ask -- >> i'm asking you. >> i know. but let me put this in context right now. in the previous segment they said there's no history of this, doubt providing evidence. go ask bernie sanders' folks because they feel like it's a system rigged beneath them. and the e-mails prove this. all it takes is one lie to sit there and question the other

truth. and right now that is why mr. trump has this system, has this question right now. is the system going to be rigged against him? you look at the dnc with the wikileaks e-mails showing the clinton campaign forged political allies and did everything to skew it in hillary clinton's favor. so it's not like we don't have a history with the clintons and the democratic party right now of a rigged system. so this question is very truthful question that the american people should be asking. >> robert, to you. >> first of all, let me give you evidence, scottie, since you seem to be asking for it and haven't done your homework. sanders pointed out that regardless of the e-mails from the democratic national committee, it didn't in any way impact the results of the primary he faced with hillary clinton. and he acknowledged the fact that hillary clinton won the nomination fair and square. let me also point out to you that before the study he found in 14 years that he did the

study in 2014 and founded recurring examples of voter fraud. in fact, politifact said that it is more likely to be struck by lightning than to be found in person committing voter fraud. what donald trump is doing based upon no evidence is trying to justify his own failing by ill legitimizing our democratcy. i have been on losing sides and winning sides, but even al gore despite what he went through, despite the supreme court stopping the vote, he accepted the results and he accepted the election results. >> scottie, let me come to you with the numbers from the recent nbc news/wall street journal/maris poll. looking at the internals, the big number is that clinton is ahead by 11 points in thisle who. but when you look into the

numbers here, unfavorable versus favorable for donald trump, his unfavorables are higher than his favorables. and i read these last hour, in every region of the state, regardless of household income, regardless of education, amongst all races, age, all age groups, both men and women and regardless of military service. so in all 21 of those categories, his unfavorables are higher than his favorables. so isn't it credible to think that he can lose this based on the merits, not based on some nefarious efforts by democrats? >> one thing we are showing, victor, is polls are extremely temperamental. it takes a news cycle to turn the polls for you or against you. one thing donald trump has going for him that hillary clinton does not, not in the polls, but it's the engagement. hillary clinton can't fill a room full of supporters of more than 200 people, you have donald trump pulling in large rallies

this far out, 15,000 people at the rallies, the trump supporters are extremely engaged, which is something hillary cannot claim right now. trump is beating hillary clinton on social media across the platforms double to triple hillary clinton. that just shows, don't tell me democrats cannot do that because they produce amazing numbers. barack obama in 2008, they were engaged then. that's why you see words like cheating and racism. because donald trump is sitting there encouraging engagement, the reason the republicans lost in 2012 is mitt romney lost the engagement of conservatives and republicans. >> let me come to you, robert. with the 21 categories i just read, donald trump is under water in all of them. hillary clinton is only above water in four of the 21. so is there a possibility that this will work in pennsylvania or in other states where donald trump believes he has to win to get to 270? >> well, the reason you see hillary clinton winning in most of the battleground states by

double digits and solidly this early in the state is because she has a message, record and program resonating the electorate. that's the point. sco scottie, i think you are confused by hits on twitter than votes. that's not how we do it here but that's how we do it in trump university. here we base it on facts, not social media. you watch hillary clinton resonate with the electorate and get record support from republicans which is virtually unprecedented both from a retired four-star, one to four-star generals, retired members of congress, foreign policy leaders, you see this coming together of a coalition because this election is not about liberal versus conservative. it is not democrat versus republican at this point. it is about stable, strong leadership versus unstable, erratic behavior. >> stay with us. we have to take a break. you're both staying with us. we'll start with you right after

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back now with more on what we were talking about before the break. scottie, go ahead. >> we here have the opportunity to show the rest of america how to have a respectful debate. bringing in personal insults like i didn't do my research is false. let's talk about hillary clinton right now. you want to talk about we can't ask hillary clinton about any of the questions regarding her server, regarding the clinton global initiative. we had two economic speeches, hillary clinton released her tax forms last night and we have not been able to chat about that. in it we don't talk about

two-thirds of her paid speeches, $10.6 million. they were from large corporate donors or that 96% of ore own private donations went to the clinton foundation, so back in her own pocket. so these are the topics we need to focus on. people don't necessarily agree this could be a potentially rigged system because we are not able to ask hillary clinton the questions. she does not make herself open to the press to be asked. >> one thing about the donations of 96% of the charitable donations, the clinton family foundation, which is different than the bill, hillary and chelsea foundation, which is the center of the controversy. the clinton family foundation is the clearinghouse that goes to other groups. just for this point of factual reporting, i want to -- >> 96%. >> okay. i want to play something for you, robert, talking about the e-mails that bill clinton said last night. he got a question from a voter who asked why should americans trust the democratic nominee when she lied about her e-mails?

he first said, that's not true. and then he said this. >> first of all, the fbi director said when he testified before congress, he had to amend his previous day's statement that she had never received in i e-mails that were classified. they saw two little notes with a "c" on it. this is the biggest load of bull i've ever heard. that were about telephone calls that she needed to make. and the state department typically puts a little "c" on it to discourage people from discussing it in public in the event the secretary of state, whoever it is, doesn't make a telephone call. does that sound threatening to the national security here? >> so first the characterization from the former president that that's not true, this voter asked about lying about e-mails. do you believe, not to the fbi, i think that has been clear from director comey, but in her

conversations with the american people that she ever misled the american people or lied about her e-mails over the last year and a half? >> you know, victor, i'm a proud hillary clinton supporter as you know, but i also respect integrity and also respect the truth and respect -- i believe i've committed to share that with you when i'm on with you. i can say with complete confidence in no way did she lie to the american people. she gave the facts as she saw them. in fact, she spoke, not only candidly to the american people about it, but i think the important point here is that the fbi director testify in front of congress that the e-mails in question could be easily interpreted as in fact not classified. and were improperly marked. that's a very important point to bring up. >> let me play the exchange between hillary clinton and andrea mitchell back in september of last year and then director comey on the hill being questioned by congressman trey gowdy. >> it took weeks but they went

through every single e-mail. yes, every single e-mail. and they were overly inclusive. if they thought anything was connected, in fact, so inclusive the state department has already told us they are going to return 1 2r 1200 e-mails because they were totally personal. >> we read every one of hillary clinton's e-mails that were overly inclusive. did you read the content individually? >> no. >> you heard clinton's answer there and comey's answer there. you said she never misled the american people or lied to the american people. it seems like some inconsistency there at the very least. >> you know something in there are obviously different interpretations there. she used her staff and she herself obviously did the best to go through all the e-mails. in fact, director comey, i go back to the congressional testimony that is so important to put this all in the proper context. so it also disproves scottie's point that no one is asking

about hillary clinton's mails, my goodness, that's the entire theme of the republicans in congress and the trump campaign. and the point is simply they haved in front of congress that, in fact, the e-mails could have been misinterpreted and hillary clinton never knowingly sent or received classified e-mails. that was his testimony. so it's important to put the facts out there. the american people can make their evaluation on this. right now based upon the polling and the response hillary clinton is receiving, they do not see the e-mails of being a defining issue. more to the point, every leading republican in foreign policy and national security has stepped up to support hillary clinton, almost every leading republican has stepped up to support hillary clinton and most have taken on donald trump as making america less safe. mike mccall said the trump republican strategist of banning muslims is a tool for isis. >> we'll have that conversation throughout the morning. as you said, put the facts before the american people. we played what hillary clinton said in september of 2015 and

what director comey said a few months ago. robert and scottie, thank you, both. now hillary clinton seemingly taunting donald trump after leasing her 2015 tax returns, how she is using one of trump's favorite lines to put pressure on a republican rival. that's coming up. also, living swimming legend michael phelps set to make his final olympic splash tonight as the u.s. women's soccer team crashes out of the games. coy wire, what a view you have in rio. >> reporter: it's a beautiful day, christie. hope solo never shy to speak her mind. she was booed here in brazil. wait until you hear what she called her opponents after the shocking loss last night. all things olympic coming up after the break.

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well, the u.s. is piling up a medal count in the lead by more than a dozen medals. katie ledecky shows us what the next generation of u.s. swimming dominance could look like. coy wire watches all the action and is joining us live from copacabana beach. hey, coy. >> reporter: hi, christi. michael phelps, he got the best of him last night. he didn't win. he said, he gave it everything he had. he had a big night's rest of sleep and he just didn't get it done. he was in the final individual race of his e e /*elustrius

career. he still has the 4x100 medley relay ending it in gold. phelps said, i have two laps left in my career. here he is. >> obviously, i always want to be faster and be on the top of the medal podium. that's what i could do today. so, it's okay. i have another race tomorrow. and we'll get ready for that. >> reporter: now phelps may be the most decorated swimmer, but ledecky, katie ledecky is no doubt the most dominant. she takes her fourth gold medal of the games here in rio. this time the 800-meter freestyle finishing over 11 seconds ahead of the silver medal swimmer, guys. she could have started to take her post-race nap before the other swimmers finished.

we're talking about the best olympians and the best swimmers in the world and she's crushing them. she has six olympic medals in total now. she smashed 13 world records in her young career. and we're getting to watch it all. outstanding. now a huge upset here in rio, the u.s. women's soccer team going down to sweden. in penalty kicks, everyone is talking about american goaltender hope solo. she allowed the last score and said later, we lost to a bunch of cowards. the better team did not win. not a good look for solo or the u.s. women's soccer team who won three olympic golds in olympic competition. what do we have to watch today? men 4x100 relay, we'll see michael phelps in that olympic pool one more time. taj mohommad is the first to wear a hijab in olympic competition returning to fencing today. and we'll see who is the fastest

woman on the planet. we'll find out in the women's 100-meter final. take your mark, let's go. >> we were talking about it, we still don't think michael phelps should be upset about a silver. he still medaled. come on, it's not a loss. yeah, you take it. >> reporter: oh, i'll take it. he has a stack of medals bigger than my head. and that's a big head, that's saying a lot. >> i love it. coy wire, thank you so much. you're having far too much fun out there. >> did you catch that where he said bigger than my head, victor knows. >> i missed that. >> okay, got you. we'll move on to politics. and hillary clinton putting new pressure on donald trump to release his tax returns. the taunting trouble with one of his favorite lines. we'll tell you more on that this morning. plus, emergency officials in louisiana say it is the worst flooding they have seen in decades. the race to save residents from a deadly downpour. abdominal pain?

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clinton's return showed an annual income of $10.6 million with an effective tax break of 31%. clinton is keeping trump's feet to the fire essentially in a new attack ad turning his own words against him. look at this. >> you know if you're running at a minimum, probably you're going to have show your returns. if you didn't see the tax returns, you would think, there is almost, like, something wrong. >> clinton's move will not yield any action from donald trump. he's been steadfast in his months' long refusal to release taxes under audit. his primetime. >> unbelievable. >> reporter: donald trump promised to release his tax returns to the public, but that was a year and a half ago. then at the start of 2016 trump said he was working on it saying the information was approved in, quote, very beautiful. he went from that to down did

playing their impact. oh, maybe there's something in his tax returns. there's nothing. >> reporter: then trump says a long-running irs audit is happening and he can't release them. he got defensive when talking to abc. >> what is your tax rate? >> it's none of your business. you'll see it when it's released. maybe because of relimb, maybe because of this, because i'm doing something else. >> what do you mean religion? >> i think he's demagoguing the issue and distracting from what is going on. sometimes he reacts irrationally. >> reporter: to all the deflections and excuses, still no release of donald trump's tax returns. is he legally prevented from leasing them during the audit? >> there's no reason why donald

trump couldn't release his tax returns now. it is perfectly allowable for him to do snow. >> reporter: is trump being audited by the irs? >> i get audited every single year. >> reporter: trump offered a letter from his tax lawyer sent to him in march saying, quote, examinations for returns for the 2009 year and forward are ongoing. but is there a letter from the irs to trump specifically saying he's being audited? the irs says it's not allowed to tell us. trump's campaign and his lawyers aren't telling us either. and the political pressure on the gop nominee is building. >> i think you're going to keep seeing the democrats continue to hit this because they sense a vulnerability here. >> reporter: trump's tax returns may confirm whether he's as rich as he says he is, gives as much to charity as he says he does, and reveals who he does business with and where his interest lies. but one adviser says not to release taxes while being audited. >> thousands of people, millions of people are looking at the transactions that are complicated and perfectly legitimate. but that looks strange to

someone who is not trained in the tax field. and that could raise a public outcry. >> reporter: trump could get around that and provide other basic figures without releasing his returns. figures on his adjusted income, his charitable contributions. he could come out to say what his tax rate is. we asked trump's campaign and tax attorneys if they could provide us that information. they declined saying, again, that the nominee is undergoing a, quote, routine audit and will release his returns when that's done. brian todd, cnn, washington. brian, thank you. we are going by our panel, robert zimmerman, democratic strategist and hillary clinton supporter. and scottie la-hughes. we'll start with you, okay, it seems evidence that he's not going to release the entire tax return. but what about those parts? what about the adjusted income, the charitable contributions and just leasing his tax break. would it not help him get rid of some of the criticism? >> it might. but then again, we don't know

what his tax return or tax account is. that package just showed a very good tax accountant and lawyer said not to release. we don't know what he's being advised. if he could release it, he would. there would be no reason to hide it. >> he could release little bits of it. that much we know. >> we know. just because you could, is it necessarily in his best interest or the best interest of his companies that employ thousands of employees. i think he is doing what is best for his company. it is not just donald trump you have to think about, it's a whole conglomerate. but at the same time, we talked about in the previous segment the clintons giving to the clinton foundation, their separate family foundation, which the clintons still control the in and out of money. imagine if that was donald trump. if donald trump had given 96% and vealed to his own family foundation, he would come under such fire and scrutiny. just like mitt romney did in 2012 when it was revealed he gave a majority of his charitable contributions to -- >> turn it around, what if it

was hillary clinton not releasing her tax reference? donald trump you say there on record has said himself, if you're not releasing your tax returns, that could give the impression that there is something there you want to hide. >> if she had a legitimate reason still being advised under an audit, i don't see how to criticize. she still has not released all the -- all she gave to wall street. we are not sitting here throwing things about this. >> robert, i know you want to respond. go ahead. >> christi, in new york we have a political expression for donald trump's strategy of hiding his taxes. it is call ed hudsva. he could make his taxes available this year that are not under audit. he can disclose his rate of tax, his tax rate. he can disclose the charitable donations. understand as a former mayor, mike bloomberg said, if you ain't from new york, you know a

con when you see one. his argument is as illegitimate as him being a self-funder. and all the other lies, for example, saying -- >> lie. >> now he says he doesn't know vladimir putin. he goes down the list. it just demonstrates, and i think the nation is responding to him being ill-equipped to be president. why his canadidacy is built upo a fraud. that's what the election will determine and why he's losing important ground here. he's not a legitimate candidate. >> robert, if any of the questions that you really need to know, mr. trump has done everything legally required by law. he's not been a fraud. >> wait a minute. i want to get to something grabbing headlines today as well. and this is a tweet that hillary clinton put out saying many people are saying trump won't release his tax returns because he's hiding something. what do you think it is? she actually made this into a

poll and has said, he doesn't pay taxes, he parts money overseas, he inflates wealth, is not very charitable. there are more than 107,000 votes, people that have had contributed to that already. so scottie, is it doing donald trump more harm up, though, than good to have this speculation out there when he could just tap it down? by releasing one thing? >> no. one little thing might, but at this point the supporters really behind him don't really care about the e-mails. many don't care about donald trump's tax return at this point. talking in an online poll, cnn doesn't put much in into the online polls. here's the real question about the tweet out, she's accusing donald trump of throwing things out there without any facts or anything to back it up. she just did the exact same thing once again. let's just start throwing things out there, ideas and concepts,

and without any facts or sitting there and creating the types of conspiracy theories. >> okay. wait. i've got 20 seconds. robert, go ahead. i want you to be able to respond. >> scottie, the clinton campaign asked a question. and very frankly -- >> donald trump asked a question, too, about the e-mails. >> don't interrupt. if donald trump wants to answer the question, all he has to do is put his taxes out there and be straight with the american people. he built his whole campaign about being straight-forward and being a straight-talker. we are seeing what a fraud that is. >> robert zimmerman, scottie hughes, thank you. we'll obviously continue to have the conversations throughout the day. but i want to show you some of the latest pictures we're getting in from louisiana. three people have died already as the devastating floods are taking over. the fight to save residents from the downpours are still coming. and the sentence for a

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breaking news, active rescue operations are happening across southern louisiana as dangerous floodwaters continue to rise. get this, in the last 24 hours there have been dozens of people pulled from their cars and homes, even people holding on to tree. fortunately, they were taken to safety. look at this, the force of the water was so strong here it swept the semi off the road.

the driver was able to escape. already the flooding has claimed at least three lives. one man swept away is still missing and louisiana's governor has declared a state of emergency. cnn's boris sanchez is following the latest for us this morning. again, these rescues are happening literally while we're talking right now. >> reporter: yeah, exactly, victor. we got confirmation over an hour ago there was a rescue in north baton rouge, it's been ongoing since yesterday. we were stopped at a highway where officials conducted five rescues of people trying to flee the floodwaters and got into flooded roads and got stuck. they did five rescues in just one hour. you can see behind me just from when we saw you an hour ago, the water has moved on from this area and receded quite a bit. and a couple of the businesses around here, there's a home down there that is certainly flooded. this business here is definitely flooded. and an appliance store behind us also flooded. i want to show you where the high water mark is on that sign

to give you an idea of how high the water went. this is fewer than 24 hours ago, this entire neighborhood was swept under partly because there's a river behind us, just behind me there is a bridge. and so several days of rain, this storm not particularly a strong one, but certainly a persistent one since monday this region has been getting pounded from the florida panhandle to mississippi and the brunt of it here in louisiana. to give you perspective, the water starts moving south, those neighborhoods in the south are going to have to start moving on. three people have been killed, one person still missing. more than 12,000 without power and many homeless right now. hopelythe in will clear up soon to get the recovery underway, victor. >> meteorologist eric van dam says another 36 hours of rain for parts of southeast louisiana. boris sanchez, thank you so much. a convicted rapist avoids prison time. the question now is with the

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years on jail release.lenient? i talked to joey jackson about that a moment ago. good morning to you, joey. in a sentencing memorandum they noticed this is equivalent to third-degree sexual felony assault, but this is in the same class as second-degree murder and vehicle lur merchandivehicu. do you think it's the same? >> no, i do not. i think the sentence fail in all regards. in terms of punishment, what is it? you look at in terms of the offense that he committed, there is a victim here that he promised, we should remind viewers, to get her home safely. he broke that and raped her and he is guilty. then you look to the deterrent. what are others going to think

out there? can you just rape someone, violate someone and get away with it? does it deter? and in regard to rehabilitation, it is hard to argue rehabilita e rehabilitating. in respect to the victim, the victim impact statement here just chilling in terms of what it did to her psychologically and emotionally, the financial toll it took on her. so i think that judge really needs to be a little more considerate, a lot more considerate, i'm understating it, when meting out a sentence to someone. >> this stuck with me in the sentencing memorandum, they argue that actions speak louder than words. i think we have this. the defendant raped a helpless young woman after duping the people around her into believing he was going to care for her, tried to cover-up his crime and repeatedly lied about what he did including under oath at

trial. the state department recommended no prison because of his unprecedented responsibility to the woman. delayed empathy involving a sentence? it seems that is what happened in this case. >> i didn't do it. she consented during trial. you fight it. now that you're caught red-handed, i'm so sorry, i didn't mean it. i would never do it again. obviously, the system wants you to accept responsibility ultimately, but many defendants apologize, do they get this treatment? and so to the extent that the judge relied upon a pre-sentence report where probation said, he's excessive now, i think the judge is hiding the sentencing report that a judge disregards. and the judge does what they believe is appropriate for all parties. no delayed empathy should not ab solve someone of a conviction like this. >> again, in the memorandum, it urged the court to consider the

ramifications here and the message this sends to the university community as we saw in that piece. this has been an issue for a lot of university communities. how much responsibility does the court have to think about the message it sends? >> i think it is huge. it goes back to the punishment and rehabilitation. although the judge giving wide discretion here as we saw what the judge did with the discretion here, 20 years probation, okay, and 2 years work release. but the fact is you want to send a message to deter so this doesn't happen. you, sir, you're convicted, you're not going to do it again. and anybody who would attempt to do this to a woman, they won't do it at all either. and so you need to send that deterrent effect. and i'm all for rehabilitation. i argue it all the time. >> you can have rehabilitation with prison sentences as well. >> exactly. they are not usually exculusive.

it's a great point. that's what the judge did here, unfortunately. >> thank you. appreciate it. another major case making waves today. if you are one of the 20 million people who watched the hugely popular netflix documentary "making a murderer," we have news for you. >> a federal judge in wisconsin has overturned brandon dassey's conviction. he was sent to prison along with his uncle for the 2005 murder of 25-year-old photographer teresa hallbaugh. dassey was 25 at the time with a learning disability. >> the judge gave prosecutors 90 days to decide if they will retry dassey. if they don't, they release him. that's it for us. see you back here at 10:00 for an hour of "newsroom." >> don't go anywhere, smerconish is next. get back to great. this week sharpie singles now twenty-five cents.

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