good evening. in this hour we are told donald trump will step up to a podium and read from a teleprompter. he's speaking about law and order. again like yesterday's address on fighting isis, this one is expected to be scripted, on message and another sign perhaps the candidate is acting less off the cuff and more presidential you might say, a sign campaign insider speak the candidate is pivoting away from the primary and toward the general election. at the same time, donald trump is once again saying himself he doesn't want to pivot or to change. so what are we going to see tonight? what we see may not be such a pivot after tonight. cnn's jason carroll is at the event and joins us with the very latest. so what is the latest in terms of expectations there at the event tonight? what are you hearing from the campaign? >> reporter: well, a couple of things. i know you mentioned the teleprompter, certainly a number of people who support donald trump are hoping that he has a

clear message, a simple message, and that he sticks if you will to the script and to the message. the message being that once again, we have heard him say this before that he is the law and order candidate. we expect him to renew that theme again tonight. we expect him also to paint a very distinct difference between himself and hillary clinton. hillary clinton, who he will tell the crowd here hillary clinton is weak on terrorism, weak on crime. you know, a little earlier today he was asked in an interview, he was asked what he would do to solve some of the problems plaguing urban communities like what we saw in milwaukee, and he mentioned two things. he said first, bringing economic development back to these areas and two, he talked about this need for law and order. so again, these are themes we expect him to address tonight when he eventually ends up taking the stage. >> we are also told that the campaign will begin to air their first tv ads of the general election, i think starting this weekend, correct?

>> reporter: right. those ads supposed to roll out this weekend in five key battleground states, north carolina, ohio, florida, pennsylvania and virginia. as you know, the trump campaign has been waiting really to release these ads, to spend money. a lot of people have been impatiently waiting saying when are you going to do this, when are you going to do this. hillary clinton is spending some $105 million so far in terms of the ads that have been out there on tv, they have basically been put out by super pacs and the nra. finally trump getting into this game. certainly a number of people in those states will be happy to see him going after hillary clinton on tv. trump was asked about this sometime ago, why wait, why wait so long to do something like this and he said i don't want to go too fast, it's like an old horse race. he said who knows, maybe i'm wrong. time will tell. >> i hear the chants of "lock her up" behind you. as we wait, let's bring in the

panel. conservative trump critic and also tara setmeyer. it's interesting to watch donald trump try to calibrate should he pivot, is what got him here going to get him across the finish line to the presidency, is it enough. clearly he is more comfortable talking off the cuff. a lot of his supporters like that about him and yet, there is also this need to reach new voters. >> right. that's exactly the distinction that his campaign has failed to see so far. he did a great job during the primaries, he ran against a lot of people, built a core base of support that was not a majority. he only got a plurality of votes in the primary but it was enough he built up by being himself to get through that. what took months to figure out is that wasn't a successful strategy to reach out to a general election audience. the interesting thing about these tv ads, we are looking at someone just now starting a general election campaign whereas mitt romney had already

spent millions of dollars and had field offices in a bunch of states in june 2012. so it's fascinating as we talk about what he's doing with this pivot, he is already months behind in terms of what his campaign should be doing anyway. so it's going to be fascinating to see if this actually makes a distinctive difference. >> how concerned are you guys who are supporters about the ground game, about his lack of offices, his lack of -- >> he's working in partnership with the rnc and the ground game's going to be awesome. it already is. they are out there, they are moving. >> what does that mean? just in terms of actual offices, in terms of people on the ground, hillary clinton certainly has a much more organized effort under way. >> there will be more people on the ground in 2016 than there were in 2012. hillary clinton has also spent like we just said, $105 million where he's virtually spent nothing. donald trump is in very good shape. this concept that he's pivoting because he's speaking, conducting a speech with a teleprompter is ridiculous. there are two kinds of speeches in our business, a rally speech where we have a lot of rhetoric

involved, and we go off the cuff, we speak from the heart. then there's a policy speech where we use a teleprompter because we are conveying our thoughts. >> your idea, everything is going great? >> everything is going according to plan. his plan -- >> the poll numbers in battleground states -- >> based on what? >> who's spending money in battleground states? he's not, she is. >> but he's losing. i don't understand this argument. >> we spoke earlier in the program on the other side of the aisle, they said we are a little concerned, we are not going to take this for granted because he hasn't even started yet. >> tara, you are not a trump supporter. >> no. >> he's saying trump hasn't even started yet. there's a little more than 80 days left. >> well, he hasn't really started yet in a lot of areas. we have been hearing this, we haven't started yet since he basically clinched the nomination back in may. they are just now starting to hire a couple of campaign, like normal campaign positions that should have been filled a long time ago. they don't have state directors in a lot of crucial states.

there's zero outreach for, especially for minority communities, zero outreach going on. >> have you seen omarosa? >> i would love to see when she's done. she claims to have a 76-page outreach effort that no one has ever seen. it's not on the website. they haven't contacted some of the more prominent black republicans like joe watkins of philadelphia. pennsylvania is a crucial state. they made no contact with him. he even said it today on air. their state director in north carolina pulled a gun on people and is being sued for it, for goodness sakes. this is still an amateur hour operation. they don't have people on the ground like they're supposed to. the rnc can't be the campaign arm. >> tara paints a bleak picture. you don't seem that concerned. >> the nice thing is we have a history of the same statements being said a few months ago except with respect to the primary. >> ted cruz's ground game. >> it didn't matter. here's where donald trump can change this election. this electorate is suffering

economically. this electorate looks around the world and there's an isis terrorist attack every 84 hours. they look at home and cities are burning. this is an electorate primed to hear donald trump's primary message. i know my liberal friends will try to paint it as racist and divisive but the idea of vetting people who come in, the idea of bringing peace to the streets, the idea of bringing back economic prosperity is a winning message. it's been clouded the last two weeks by some of the side stories. if he can deliver that on the stage, he will win this election and be the next president. >> so is there this much ado about nothing about the ground game, the need for offices? >> john makes a good point. >> that is an old way of thinking? >> it depends on which party you're in and which voters you're reaching. in my party there's no chance to win without it. none. because the coalition president obama put together that hillary is trying to inherit is built on young people, people of color and unmarried women. there's more of them -- and secular voters. there's more of them than there are of trump voters but we have to reach them. something like 25% of voters

under 30 move every two to four years. now, his base, i criticize old folks in the last hour. let me tell you, his base, they vote. older angry high school educated white men, that's all they do -- well, they complain about their prostate and vote. that's the only thing they do. so they will come out no matter what. >> i want to disavow myself from that. >> that's all they do. i'm defending them. >> what's your twitter handle? >> very quick point on that. actually, one of the things we are seeing in polling is that trump's core base which is the non-college educated white men, they are actually less committed to voting than are college educated women. that's a big problem for him. he actually does need to turn them out. if they are relying on the rnc, that's talking about pulling funding. >> what about the point, they are motivated, they are showing up at the rallies, people are standing in line for hours and hours, have been for months. he made $80 million in donations in many small donations people

made, to your point last night, people made a big deal when that was on the democratic side, but for trump, small donations, $80 million. >> i have no doubt that the trump supporters that trump has, he has and i think there's going to be no effort on the clinton campaign to try to get them. it would be a waste of money and time, whether they turn out to be less prime voters than others, we will see. he has those voters. no question. the question now for him as it would be for most campaigns in this moment is how do you reach out, how do you get other voters. kelly talked before about a bridge. look, honestly, even though i'm a democrat, i would love to see all candidates trying to build bridges. the thing about bridges is they start on a foundation and they go to a foundation and they connect. what's missing in whether it's a teleprompter or off the cuff, i agree with john, who cares what he talks from, but what's missing in both of those and the lack of the foundation is any real plans that will help americans. if you look at his economic

plan, he talked a lot about a child care tax credit. there's great benefits in that for people making 30, 40 cents on the dollar to save on their nannies. there's nothing built in there to help people who don't have child care, lower income new yorkers -- americans, pardon me, and middle income americans get child care that they don't have. there's nothing really there to help people. there's trillions of dollars worth of tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires but there really isn't anything to create jobs. nonetheless to make up for the jobs that have gone overseas. >> donald trump was very specific. he talked about tax reform, trade reform, regulatory reform. he talked about energy independence. he's talking about putting americans back to work. that is what's going to change america. that is what's causing the social unrest in this country right now. people are not working. 14 million less americans are working today than seven years ago. barack obama's failed domestic policy that hillary clinton has

embraced is not going to be embraced by the american people. he is coming from a very different direction. he's talking about restoring pride in america, putting the focus on america, rebuilding america. economically, militarily and our reputation around this world. >> for somebody who still could vote for donald trump, you are a conservative -- >> let it be known right now i will never vote for donald trump. >> but has he given enough specifics? >> no. look, that economic speech last monday was a decent economic speech. i didn't agree with the protectionist side of some things but some other things were really good in there and some of the things john named. but how much did we hear about that after that? we didn't hear about it at all. he went to twitter and started bashing the media and then went off on the second amendment stuff. there were all those things. he keeps stepping on his own message. that should be the message he hammers home every single day if he really wants to win but he

has not been doing that consistently. >> which is why again tonight, it is so -- it is why tonight is interesting. it's two speeches back-to-back which have been very directed and we will see tonight, we are waiting for donald trump's remarks tonight. a lot more ahead as we wait for what is billed as a law and order address just outside milwaukee. next, we explore donald trump's recent claims that if he loses pennsylvania, it means the other side cheated. got a lot of attention. question is, does it actually have basis in fact? once i startd building the tree, ancestry helped me find out that military service goes into my family pretty far back. that makes you more proud to be an american and more proud to be a veteran. i served in iraq in tikrit in 2009. when i took the ancestry dna test, i mean a few results came up that were really shocking. 11% of me comes from the part where i had served. we all come from such different backgrounds that you never know. get the deeper story of you at ancestry. get started for free at ancestry.com. if you'try clarispray.emes to escape your nasal allergies.

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welcome back. we are waiting for a speech from donald trump tonight. we want to quickly revisit one of his less scripted moments on friday in altoona, pennsylvania which made quite a few headlines. >> the only way we can lose in my opinion, i really mean this, pennsylvania, is if cheating goes on. i really believe it. if we get cheated out of a win in pennsylvania, which is such a vital state, especially when i know what's happening here, folks. i know -- she can't beat what's happening here. the only way they can beat it, in my opinion, and i mean this 100%, if in certain sections of the state, they cheat. okay? >> the day he said that, he was trailing significantly in polls in pennsylvania.

he still is tonight which has not kept trump's cheating allegation from resonating with voters from pittsburgh. gary tuchman reports. >> uncovering the truth with undeterred tenacity. unbowed. unbroken. it's rose unplugged. >> welcome to the show. this is rose unplugged. >> reporter: here in pennsylvania, donald trump has sparked quite the controversy. after declaring the only way he could lose here is if cheating happens. >> the moment i said we are going to talk about voter fraud, the phone lines just lit up. we will take your phone calls. >> rose unplugged. >> reporter: here on am 1250 in pittsburgh, conservative talk show host rose tennant agrees with trump. so do her listeners. >> good morning. how are you? >> reporter: caller lauren explains what she says happened when her mother tried to vote for mitt romney in 2012. >> we have the touch screens, electronic screens. she went in there in the booth, she hadn't even touched the screen at all, she looked down

and all the boxes were checked for democrat. she got all flustered. she called the person over and they go oh, that just happens sometimes and they cleared the screen for her. she got so flustered that she didn't even know then when she got in the car she voted for president or not. she started crying. >> diane is calling from kennedy township. >> reporter: dianne says she overheard a woman on the phone talk about how she was not registered and how easy it would be to intimidate a poll worker. and that she ended up getting the provisional ballot. >> i just like lost it. i just said look, i heard you outside on the phone. i said you're doing voter fraud. she turned around and she mf'ed me and left the poll. >> reporter: then -- >> this is ken calling from peters township. good morning. how are you? >> good morning. when you mentioned voter fraud, you touched a hot button for me. >> did i? >> yeah. >> what's going on? >> i think we have been cheated out of a couple elections in recent years. >> reporter: how is that? ken says a friend of his who works in a shop told him that a

few years ago -- >> he was approached by a democratic precinct worker and said it's fairly easy to get registered twice. you register once using your full name and home address, then he said you register again using your shop address and a nickname and you can vote twice then. >> reporter: allegations and complaints about voter fraud are nothing new. however, there is widespread disagreement about how serious and significant the issue is. and who might be most affected. if you're concerned about cheating, why would it be just hillary clinton voters cheating, not donald trump cheaters? >> as i said, if there's a concern about cheating, it should be everyone's concern. >> reporter: is it fair to say anybody can cheat? >> i would say so. yes. of course. >> reporter: but these callers are concerned about the republican candidate. >> i think it's time for the nation to have a unified simple i.d. which covers the nation. >> reporter: concern that has increased with donald trump's dire warning about pennsylvania.

>> gary, the radio host who you talked to is worried about the possibility of cheating. is she worried about trump's poll numbers in pennsylvania at all? >> reporter: well, i did talk to rose unplugged about that and ironically, she says one of the reasons she is worried about the possibility of cheating is because she is not at all worried about the polls. she thinks the polls are wrong. she thinks the race is close. she thinks if there is cheating that donald trump could lose because of the cheating. i should tell you that in the conservative talk radio universe, there are lots of listeners who feel the same way. >> thanks very much. it is interesting, this sort of -- brian stelter talked about this, if you read drudge, this idea of sort of the polls aren't really the polls and here's a poll that's more -- there's some polls which are sort of online polls which we don't really go by because they are simply the methodology is not as reliable. >> right. a lot of online polls, people can go and vote and aren't considered reliable.

this issue of cheating, there's fundamentally no evidence for it. the state of pennsylvania itself went ahead, a republican governor admitted in a legal filing there had been no examples of voter fraud. there are always places where someone has a similar name to someone else and those things end up being basically nothing. we are talking about millions of votes here. the idea that even if this were a pervasive problem you could somehow shift millions of votes on behalf of one candidate or the other, particularly when, it's self-fulfilling when donald trump is down 9.7 points in the polling average in pennsylvania but that's wrong and therefore, if hillary clinton wins by 9.7 points it's because they cheated, it is self-fulfilling. there's no evidence for it. frankly i think it's irresponsible for media outlets to suggest it is. >> there absolutely is evidence. it's not millions of votes. >> there's not. there's not. >> we saw the election in florida come down to hundreds of votes. look at 1993 in pennsylvania. you had a state senate seat reneged by a federal judge because it was determined by cheating. the guy lost his seat. it was given to someone else. in 2012, the black panthers at

polling facilities. we have seen it time and time again. >> oh, come on. >> acorn, do you remember the far left group? >> the black panthers, a small group of people outside a polling station? that's an example of cheating? >> every vote counts in this country. it is intimidation. yes. >> so when donald trump talks about getting his supporters to monitor polls, is that intimidation? >> not monitoring polls. he wants law enforcement at polls to ensure things are -- >> doesn't he have a thing online on his website for people to sign up? >> he's not advocating people go there with their guns and intimidate voters. he's saying be on the lookout for voter fraud. it has happened. >> john? >> there is no question that there is voter fraud in america. it is a joke that it is 2016 and we do not require people, you need a license to own a gun, a license to drive a car. you don't even have to show i.d. to vote. it is absolutely a fact there is voter fraud out there. for anyone to insinuate

otherwise is completely naive. >> first, you don't need a license to own a gun, actually. but -- >> you need to show i.d. >> you need to show i.d., don't you? >> the evil obama administration. when george w. bush was president, the justice department had a five-year crackdown on voter fraud. they believed this myth. five-year crackdown. know what they got? 86 convictions out of hundreds of millions of votes. after the washington state governor's race in 2004, one of the closest in history was decided by 129 votes. they microscopically analyzed the vote. they found .00009% was cast illegitimately. it jut doesn't happen. it is literally more likely you be struck by lightning. [ speaking simultaneously ] >> what are you afraid of? >> the bush justice department -- >> there is so much cheating going on, it happens in new york city -- >> why didn't the bush republicans catch it?

why didn't they catch them? they had every political incentive. >> i am a local county chairman. my county is larger than ten states. we see it in my county. we have people that live in new york city and vote in the hamptons. that happens. we caught it. >> warrants have been issued in philadelphia after the primary. so this happens. if you don't believe -- [ speaking simultaneously ] >> the key thing here is also scale. yes, of course there are sporadic incidents where someone votes on behalf of their mother who died or invalid or whatever. that certainly happens. but there is no way the scale is possible. when you mention florida, you would have had to have anticipated there would be that close a race in florida, targeted broward county for 500 votes, found 500 people who weren't going to vote -- >> have you heard of acorn? >> of course. i also heard of voter registration. >> tara? >> look, yes, voter fraud

happens and yes, the scale of voter fraud is the difference here. in philadelphia, it's well known, even chris matthews for goodness' sakes who is a bleeding heart liberal admits there is voter fraud going on in philadelphia. there were election officials that were convicted last year or a couple years ago on election fraud. we are talking about a couple, six votes. it happens. in order for it to happen on the scale donald trump is talking about, it would be millions. >> do you believe if donald trump loses pennsylvania it's because of cheating? >> no. >> you don't believe that? i'm just saying, do you believe it? you won't say whether or not you believe if he loses -- >> he's going to win pennsylvania. her policies -- >> if he loses pennsylvania, do you agree with him it's because of cheating? >> he is talking generically. he talked about how the republican party, the individual states had a lot of bizarre laws. now we are on the general election -- >> you don't want to answer. you don't want to answer. >> let me say this.

>> i know you well enough now, i know that smile. [ speaking simultaneously ] >> this is why the voter fraud argument won't work. there are 1.94 million voters in the philadelphia area and the suburbs. out of 5.6 million in the entire state of pennsylvania. that is overwhelmingly democratic in the philadelphia area. there is no way in the world donald trump's going to make up that difference and if he does -- if he doesn't and claim it's voter fraud. >> donald trump will win pennsylvania. >> this is kind of in a way a classic candidate who's losing, right, if you're a candidate who's winning and the polls are good, you brush off the polls. if you are a candidate who's losing you try to spin the polls that you are not really losing. i have been both a winner and loser, trust me. i know of what i speak. but bigger than that, this is very classic donald trump. when things aren't going his way, he blames somebody else. >> are you comparing this to

what we saw in the primaries where he said it's rigged. >> absolutely. i'm comparing it to that but also even in the case of captain khan's family where he clearly made a mistake, he can never apologize and take responsibility. he's not doing well in pennsylvania because he's running a bad campaign, he is off message, setting a message he's not fit to be president of the united states and doesn't have real policies that help the people of pennsylvania. that's why. >> i want john to have the last word. then we have to go. >> what we should be talking about today, we are talking about this state but the attorney general in pennsylvania is convicted of perjury today. deeply involved in the clinton campaign. we will talk about oh, he met with roger ailes -- >> she's not involved in the campaign. that's not true. that's not true. >> his opponent embraces the black lives matter movement and they want dead cops. >> that's not -- whoa.

whoa, whoa, whoa. that is absolutely not true. >> you can respond. >> it is an outrageous statement to say black lives matter movement wants dead cops. that is absolutely not true. >> this chant at trump rallies, too, that trump is not held accountable. >> just last night on the program, there was a trump supporter in the crowd saying that barack obama's a muslim. everybody here was saying, i said it as well, you can't point out to one person in the crowd and say look, that person says that, that's all trump supporters. >> the whole city heard it. multiple times. she doesn't disavow herself. she's willing to give up all of her morals to get them. [ speaking simultaneously ] >> even what you are saying now, it's not about hillary clinton or donald trump. to take the black lives matter

movement which is a movement you can disagree with their tactics, you can disagree with how they organize but they are a group that is trying to articulate clearly in this country that black men and women and children are not embraced and affirmed the same way as white children. that is a fact and they trying to address it, to reduce police brutality and i was in don lemon's very good town hall meeting about this and i saw members of the movement talking to the cops afterwards. they are actually working to bring people together and hillary clinton was right when she brought those mothers up onstage because people need to know their children's name and to know they're gone and to know what happened. she talked to the wives of some of the cops. >> she did do that. not on the same night. she did as well. more with the panel ahead. coming up, hillary clinton campaigned in pennsylvania, a key state where the polling is

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the clinton campaign. this however is not new fallout from her e-mail issues. more from joe johns. >> reporter: hillary clinton campaigning today at a philadelphia voter registration event. >> when donald trump speaks, he speaks about fear. he speaks about such negativity and such pessimism. >> reporter: but her e-mail controversy still casting a shadow over her campaign. the fbi releasing a new report to congress detailing why it recommended no charges be filed against the former secretary of state over her use of a private e-mail server. the report also includes notes taken by the fbi during witness interviews. the report is classified but it does keep the controversy alive for clinton while offering trump another talking point against her. >> hillary clinton lacks the judgment as said by bernie sanders, stability and temperament and the moral

character to lead our nation. >> reporter: the clinton campaign saying they prefer the report be released publicly rather than selectively released by someone with political motives against clinton. meantime, clinton is polling very well in key battleground states like virginia. a new "the washington post" poll finds her ahead of trump by eight points there, 51% to 43% among likely voters. in fact, clinton is doing so well, her super pac priorities usa is pulling ads in virginia along with crucial states colorado and pennsylvania for much of september. the group telling cnn clinton's early success in those states means they can focus their attention and cash in states where it's more needed. in philadelphia today, she was working hard to turn out african-american voters in record numbers. >> we want you all to register to vote. we have places to register

because we don't want you on the sidelines come november. >> reporter: clinton courting the black vote a day after vying for white working class voter alongside vice president joe biden in scranton, pennsylvania, trying to hold on to the battleground state that has gone to democrats in every presidential election since bill clinton won it in 1992. >> friends should not let friends vote for trump. >> reporter: and the clinton campaign is already putting together its transition team, announcing former colorado senator and interior secretary ken salazar will lead it. joe johns, cnn, philadelphia. >> we are back with the panel. when you look at the polls in battleground states, right now donald trump is not doing as well as hillary clinton is, do you think the democrats are getting a little cocky on this? there are more than 80 days left to go. >> i think they are, certainly, because as we mentioned previously in this panel that hillary clinton's voting base is going to be made up of minorities, they need minorities to turn out. they also need millenials to turn out. those two groups are tailor-made

for trump's message because those two groups have suffered the most under this economy. they still face double digit real unemployment, they have depressed wages in chicago. >> but there was just a piece in the "times" today, you can think it's ridiculous as trump does or not, but they look at what outreach the trump campaign is doing to african-americans and there were a lot of african-american conservative groups who he hasn't reached out to, even pastors, they had a meeting a long time ago, got a lot of press coverage but going to a conservative african-american church and making a speech, things like that which is a traditional kind of retail politics, he's not doing. >> i think that's something he needs to break into in these next 80 days. >> you would like to see him do that? >> absolutely. we know he has mark burns, phenomenal african-american pastor and darryl scott. he needs to reach out to this broader community and bring this message of the economy and safety. we know there have been more than 200 homicides in chicago. that is startling. his message is tailor-made -- >> it's interesting, the "times" used the example of him going to

detroit, actually flew in there, had a big rally, in a largely white area, left without kind of going to any inner city area where he could have stopped into a barbershop or something. >> yeah. there were many blown opportunities. a year ago, donald trump had an opportunity i think to get maybe 20% of the black vote because people know who he is, they respect him as a businessman and i think that there hasn't been great economic growth actually, it's been horrible for black america under barack obama in a number of areas. so i think they were ripe for it. donald trump blew that. not only is he not going to get anywhere close to that, we saw the polling is at 1% maybe up to 3% possibly. that's abysmal. in detroit that would have been a perfect opportunity for him. there are plenty of black-owned businesses, plenty of areas in detroit, detroit trying to make a comeback that donald trump could have gone and used his quote, business prowess he brags about all the time to show why his business and free enterprise

and empowerment zones and things like that that could be beneficial for the black community. talk about school choice. he didn't do that. not only that, he has given zero money to his national diversity council. he has no problem parading black faces out in front of him and pastors that want their faces on television but he -- the campaign has given no money whatsoever, no investment in that. donald trump had an opportunity to speak in front of the naacp conference which is right in cincinnati when we were -- our convention was in cleveland. he said no. he didn't go to the nabj conference, the larger gathering of black journalists in this country. they didn't bother to get a phone call back. not to the urban league. he's done zero media for any major black media outlet. here we are 80 days plus before the election. you think you will just swoop in and convince people? it's not going to work. >> just in terms of focus groups and stuff? >> polling. in ohio and pennsylvania, trump is polling zero in the africa nchn american. there's a three point margin of error so it could be minus

three. there could be white people pretending to be black to hate on trump. so i guess as a strategist you have to hunt where the ducks are. look what hillary did. she went to scranton which is not her part of pennsylvania. she will win in philadelphia and the suburbs. she went to scranton, that's the heart of blue collar older white men. joe biden with her. she's going for the votes that in trump's space. she's reaching out. >> literally into biden's old home and was kind of around the ki kitchen with voters. we all know that's not hillary's best moments but she's pushing herself. >> trump doesn't like to do those traditional kind of -- it's big stadium events which again, during the primary it worked very well for him and he seems most comfortable in that. >> that's exactly right. he hadn't had to do them. he didn't really have to transition into becoming a normal politician which was good for him. he doesn't want to be a normal politician. i think the core question here

is can donald trump who has been under the media scrutiny constantly since june 16, 2015, can he now convince people that he is something different than what they have come to understand for the past year and a half. >> or is it too late. >> or is it too late with 80 days left. >> you know what else it speaks to, kind of a lack of interest or curiosity. doesn't donald trump want to go out and meet the americans, go to communities he hasn't been to before? speak to the people he says he wants to help? >> i mean, you can make the same argument about any politician. does hillary clinton really want to -- i mean, maybe she does, i don't know. >> you actually do learn things. >> i'm not saying you don't learn things. of course you learn things. do they really want to do it? >> i actually think hillary loves -- >> she is not in touch -- >> i sat with hillary at these events. she and those kind of 20 person roundtables, she's engaged. >> that's what people say. we have to take another break as we wait for donald trump to take the podium.

apparently he's running late. one of the questions we will be looking at, are there states in this country dealing with people trying to impose sharia law. this is something a trump advisor, general flynn, said on the program last night. i was sort of surprised when he said it because i looked into this and every time i did, i couldn't find what they were looking at. he was talking about florida and texas. we will get a reality check on that. and as we wait for donald trump's speech. able. and with extended range lte it reaches farther than ever. from the powder to the pavement, skylines, coastlines, out in the country, deep in the city. we got you covered. 311 million americans and counting. and we won't stop. come see why t-mobile is the #1 recommended wireless company in america.

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donald trump expected any minute now for what's billed as a law and order speech outside milwaukee. we will bring you that. meantime, a quick reality check on something one of his top advisers said last night. in a speech yesterday, trump called for what he called extreme vetting of immigrants to screen out people who think, for example, sharia law should be imposed in the united states. last night, jen michael flynn, a trump advisor, says it's already happening some places in the country. >> we have a couple states in this country right now that are dealing with -- at the state and local level dealing with the imposition of sharia law right now. this is a very serious issue. i think that was really the points donald trump was trying to make today.

>> where do you see people seriously trying to impose sharia law in the united states right now? >> florida and texas are two states. >> tom foreman has a reality check. how did the general's claims actually hold up? >> reporter: well, let's take a look at the claim itself. what he's saying is a couple of states are dealing with the imposition of sharia law. we will start with the definition. sharia law is a legal system based on islamic teachings. it covers crime, business, marriage, diet, etiquette and much more. so where is this being imposed upon people in the united states? as you just heard the general say, texas is one of those places. what has happened there is that some muslim community leaders have formed what they call an islamic tribunal. this is a place where members of the community can come together if they have some dispute, some civil dispute, they can air their grievances in front of this group and they can get arbitration based upon sharia. it's important to note this kind

of arbitration has existed for christians and jews and other people for many decades out there, and importantly as they note on their own website, look, these proceedings must be conducted in accordance with the law of the land, local, state and federal within the united states. >> so just to be clear, this isn't quote, sharia law like that found in islamic countries and it doesn't supersede any u.s. law or challenge any u.s. law. >> no. there is no way in which somebody under this arbitration system cannot challenge the results or go back and get justice from the courts if they wish. >> it's the same kind of system that in some communities in new york, among orthodox jews, they have the same sort of setup. if someone wants a religious ruling. >> exactly. same sort of thing. >> the other example that general flynn cited was in florida. i hadn't heard of anything happening there. what is happening? >> florida is one of at least nine states that have passed what we refer to as anti-sharia

laws. what this means is they basically said the courts there cannot give too much weight to sharia or indeed, any foreign law in making a ruling here. now, why would you have such a thing? think about this. say you had a couple that got married in egypt and they had >> let's say you have a couple that got married in egypt and they decided to get divorced. the courts do consider their expectations from back home but not if those expectations fly in the face of u.s. law or u.s. customs. then they get pushed aside. otherwise they can be considered. the bottom line is even though if the states are pushing anti-sharia laws, does not prove anyone is trying in an incredible, big way to establish sharia law. that's why our finding is this statement is simply false. anderson? >> thanks very much.

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donald trump, who we're told has been running a bit late, has

arrived. what is the campaign saying? they've been focusing on this event tonight saying this is not a typical rally. this is going to be an address by the candidate. >> we're seeing signs that this is going to be very much that donald trump gives about law and order. rudy giuliani already pitting the tone talking about what happened in milwaukee, saying this is a difficult time not just for the city, but for the country, and that the officer that was involved in this controversial shooting was himself african-american. and then he told the crowd do black lives matter when it is an officer that's involved, already setting the tone for what's to come later on when donald trump likely taves the stage. he's now more than an hour late at this time. it is extremely hot in this

room. a lot of people saying if you're going to be late, you better bring it when you take the stage. donald trump promising to do that when he takes the stage just a few moments from now. he's expected to be hon message talking about the key is the law and he will pant a very strong difference between himself and hillary clinton, who he will tell the crowd is weak when it comes to crime, weak when it comes to terrorism. again, when he takes the stage just a few moments from now. >> it's interesting because trump said he wasn't going to make a pivot at this point in his campaign. this is the second kind of controlled speech, nonimpromptu address that trump has made in the last two days. >> he did say earlier in an interview when asked, look, your rhetoric is turning a lot of people off, especially in places like wisconsin, where you are trailing hillary clinton in the polls here.

and don't you need to do something to change your rhetoric, change your tone. and donald trump basically told this reporter, look, it's gotten me this far, it's gotten me through the primary. then you look at that statement that he put out, anderson, just a little earlier this evening, put out a statement on facebook "a ledge to america." it says "we will reject bigotry and hatred and oppression in all its forms and seek a new future built on our common cultures and values as one american people. that's not the type of language we've heard from donald trump in the past. some might call that a bit of a pivot, at least on paper. but when it comes to his speech here, tonight expect it to be very much about law and order. anderson? >> thanks very much. our panel members have been with us all evening. it's interesting because at the convention, probably one of the strongest parts of the

convention was trum of declaring himself the law and order candidate. it's not something we've heard a ton of from the candidate since the candidate but now two days in a row you have the address on defeating isis, on attacking isis yesterday and this focus -- we're told this could be on law and order tonight. that does seem to be a certain discipline at least on message. >> and this is where donald trump has a big moment tonight to come off and be a commander in chief. you can tell a lot about someone in a moment of crisis. and when obama came out in ferguson and hillary clinton came out to say law enforcement needs to regain the trust of the community. donald trump can be a president tonight. it's a big moment. >> we'll see. how many times have we heard this? every opportunity for donald

trump when he's in front of people has been an opportunity to present himself as commander in chief and he's failed miserably so far. if he does that tonight and he's on prompter, i was very surprised. when the report came through that people are upset and it was hot in the room, you know that donald trump may try to entertain. so there was a couple of groans about that. we'll see if he stays on mark tonight. >> eric holder put out an op-ed before the facts were out saying we stand with you ferguson before he ever knew what was going on. >> there's this myth that

somehow trump is off message when he says these divisive, hateful things and he's on message. that's why he's going to lose the primary. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> the breaking news at 10 p.m. eastern, donald trump about to take the stage at any moment now in wisconsin making a big speech on law and order. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. live pictures now in the wake of this weekend of the unrest in milwaukee, donald trump coming down on the side of police. we're waiting for donald trump to come to the podium, as we get ready for him, you see reince priebus on the stage.