brynn, thank you very much. thank you all so much for joining us tonight. you can watch erin burnett any time anywhere on cnn go. "ac 360" starts right now. ♪ ♪ good evening. thanks for joining us. you picked quite a night. down there behind me we are getting ready for another cnn town hall and this time for the green party presidential ticket. many do not like the major party choices they have and some are leaning toward the green ticket and plenty still have questions and they and you will have a chance to hear answers from the candidate jillstein and her running mate ajamu baraka with chris cuomo hosting at the top of the hour. we begin with plenty of news with what the trump campaign explicitly says is not a shake-up and not an overhaul and no big deal at all. whatever you call it, there is a new and aggressive chief executive onboard with a commitment to letting trump be trump. this is coming after a rough several weeks for the candidate.

and the campaign also disputes. >> you say it's not a shakeup, but you guys are down and it makes sense that -- >> says who? >> polls. >> says who? >> polls. most of them. all of them. >> says who? >> polls. i just told you. i answered your question. >> okay. which polls? >> all of them. >> it is one of the greatest exchanges of this election so far, i've got to say. that was the trump organization's michael cohen talking to brianna keilar uttering two words, says who that turned into a twitter hash tag sensation and we'll talk about that and how it might affect with the moderate voters he has yet to win over. new questions about the clinton foundation and influence peddling and jason carroll and the new team now advising donald trump. >> reporter: with a major shake-up in donald trump's campaign, he now seems likely to return to the brash style that

has defined him so far. >> i think what he doesn't like is people telling him exactly what to say and maybe that's hillary clinton's game. what do the focus groups say? >> republican pollster and former ted cruz backer kellyanne conway is now campaign manager and media flame thrower steve bannon and from breitbart news is now the chief executive. bannon who bloomberg's businessweek dubbed the most dangerous political operative in america and both will work alongside political consultant roger stone who is an informal adviser to the campaign and also advising trump though the campaign denies it, former fox news chief roger ailes. in short, an aggressive mix of operatives. so why shake things up with less than three months to election day? in part, lagging poll numbers in key battleground states. trump's former campaign manager whose strategy during the primaries was to simply let trump be trump says the campaign

needs to let their candidate unleash more on hillary clinton in his own way. >> think there are missed opportunities from the campaign over the last two to three weeks that have not had the trump campaign responding directly to the mistakes that the clinton campaign has been making. campaign chairman paul manafort stepped in when lewandowski was let go and while sources say trump's relationship with manafort has soured over recent weeks, the campaign announcing today he will stay on as campaign chairman. trump saying in a statement he's committed to doing whatever it takes to win this election and that could mean resisting efforts by some in his camp to make him more presidential. the campaign moving on to other business. the candidate holding a national security roundtable at trump tower this afternoon. the meeting focused on counter terrorism. former new york city mayor rudy giuliani, ivanka trump and new york congressman peter king were among those present. >> i'm doing very well. i felt as though all of us were

part of it and that donald trump wants to cut through and it's interesting dealing with a businessman as opposed to a political person and he's able it to weed out the extraneous matter and get right to the point. >> reporter: later, trump arriving to his first classified intelligence briefing in new york. that, too, creating headlines after trump questioned the credibility of what he was going to be briefed on ahead of the meeting. >> do you trust intelligence? >> not so much from the people that have been doing it for our country. i mean look what's happened over the last ten years. look what's happened over the years. i mean, it's been catastrophic, and in fact, i won't use some of the people that are the standard. >> jason carroll joins us. what kind of campaign can we expect moving forward from donald trump? it's not as if he hasn't sort of been allowed to just, you know, talk off-the-cuff. he did that most of last week. >> reporter: right. right. i think it's going to be a couple of things. first thing's first. i think we'll see more of those large-scale rallies. he continues to draw a large

crowd whenever he holds these rallies. he responds well. these are the types of things that he does well at. i think kellyanne conway brought up a good point, his new campaign manager when he said more policy speeches and he's given an economic policy speech and a foreign policy speech and more of the policy speeches going forward, as well and more of a focus on these battleground states where he's trailing. you already saw where he's doing very poorly in some of these battleground states and he's done some ad buys in five of the key battleground states and more of that, as you say, anderson. he's going to continue being himself. he said in an interview just not too long ago that what he wants to do is continue being himself even if it's politically incorrect. he feels as though this is what is going to work and even if i don't win i'm going to go down being myself. >> he feels as though being

himself is what will end up leading to a victory. >> jason carroll. i thought it was jeb bush with the backpack behind you for a second here. cnn political director david chalian. trump supporter and lieutenant govern oran dre bower and former congressional black caucus angela rye and anchor of cnn reliable sources. the trump campaign saying don't look here, nothing to see, it's not a shake-up. you now have a guy who has never run a campaign before running the campaign. >> it's clearly a shake-up because if things were going swimmingly over the last two months you would stick with the plan that you had. donald trump was totally dissatisfied with the way it was going. the poll numbers were not the kind that he wanted to -- >> says who? we used to see speech after speech, and the question now is what are we going to see that is different? i think it's true. it's not as if he hasn't been

free wheeling and free to be himself in the last few week ands in fact, if you look at these last few days that will be the model going forward and i don't think he'll always have a teleprompter and his staff, new team, old team in the larger republican universe were really pleased with what they saw in the last couple of days of a focus message on law enforcement. >> he doesn't enjoy that. >> he hasn't liked that give -- it doesn't seem as if he likes it as much as the more extemporaneous entertaining speeches. >> whether he likes it or not he ought to stick to it because it's definitely more beneficial to it to get new folks to pay attention to him that have a concise message and so he might not like it, but i think he did a good job in the last few speeches. >> corey lewandowski said that he has aren't been able to kind of make the most of some of the mistakes hillary clinton made and some of the very real issues that voters don't like about hillary clinton. the question is whose fault is

that? because arguably, he had a real chance to do that to focus on the interview that hillary clinton said to wallace and how she characterized what the fbi director said about the e-mails and trump didn't focus that. he ended up going off in the other tangents that ended up eating up the week for them. >> there were huge miss steps where the campaign moved backward. i don't know who called the shots on that and they were very clearly missed opportunities and so changing the ship, riding the ship, moving towards a new direction and trying to capitalize on these opportunities is what they've got to do. >> you're obviously not a trump person and you're a never trump person. >> never. it's i talked to charlie who tweeted earlier today that he believes this is the hospice phase of the trump campaign. he knows the end is near. he wants to be surrounded by friends and family. >> ouch.

>> yeah. painful. snarky. but as far as a democrat is concerned is this the best development you can see? the guy who runs breitbart now running the campaign? >> well, here's what we can certainly say. andre talks about him broadening the tent. him bringing in breitbart, breitbart is too right for a lot of republicans who i worked with on capitol hill. it is a very right-winged media outlet that most often pedals conspiracy theories and whether or not barack obama is an american citizen. this is the type of material they regularly and more than anything it demonstrates that he's looking beyond the election. i will be -- i will not be the person that says this is the hospice stages of the campaign because the end is near and their duration has been wrong the entire time and it is very telling and for him to be the third campaign leader is very

damning. >> you look at media all of the time and what does it is a to you that he's reached out to breitbart and roger ailes? >> stephen hayes of the weekly standard called this an alternative reality for trump to live in, the breitbart universe. ? would call it a white nationalist site. it's a knock against paul ryan and other gop leaders to bring in stephen bannon given that the site is very much opposed to the paul ryans of the world. it sounded like they were playing and it was very revealing when he says says who? when he seems to challenge what the polls are showing. he told me tonight he said he thinks he's being misconstrued and he believes trump will do better than the polls are showing. >> just because we have it. let's show it again because it is the most amazing exchange that occurred today. let's just watch. >> you say it's not a shake-up, but you guys are down -- >> says who?

>> polls. >> says who? >> most of them. all of them. >> says who? >> polls. i just told you. i answered your question. >> okay. which polls? >> all of them. >> so he's saying it's misconstrued. >> that's an important point here. he said afterward that that he doesn't care about the polls and they're edging toward us for denialism, and the same denialism, and some mitt romney supporters and the polls were all wrong and they're tilted in favor of president obama and they couldn't believe the numbers and to the extent they were the same thing this year. the polls are rigged and don't believe the polls. that will damage the campaign because they'll live in an alternate reality that will hurt them. >> it is interesting because they were living by those polls

by those very same news organizations. >> i've always said this, trump was tuning out better numbers than even what the primary numbers were putting out. that's factual and i think there is a movement like brexit here and they're not even showing up on a poll and they are going to come out and they're coming out in these rallies and that's why he's so energized by the rallies. >> you can't count rally crowds as a sign of support. we've learned that over the course of decades in political history. >> the numbers showed brexit wouldn't win either. there is a movement now. people are so frustrated with the system. i could be wrong and the other fact i was going to point out is he hired an individual, not a company. if you're hiring the best it doesn't matter what that person does in the past, he's hiring someone who thinks that's good of what they do and trump's going to keep trump's perspective and i think they can all agree on that and he hired somebody he thought was really good at getting the message out.

i want to talk more about this and donald trump hires the best people and that was one of the selling points from the get go. i'm an executive and i have business experience and i may not know all of the details, but i hire the best people and this is what arguably his third shake-up of the campaign does that raise a question about does he really hire the best people? we'll talk about that ahead and we have to take a quick break coming up next. a closer look at steve bannon and his past. later, we'll introduce you to the members of the green party ticket so you'll know them better before they take the stage at the top of the hour for the town hall. olympic swimmer ryan lochte said he was robbed at gun point and there's new video that suggests otherwise. police are kept cal. so is ryan lying? stay tuned. what muscle pain?

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banker, turned media mogul and breitbart news executive chairman and now trump campaign boss installed as the campaign chief executive with just over 80 days to go until november 8th as trump looks to stabilize a campaign that many say is taking on too much water. >> think anger is a good thing. if you are fighting, this country is in a crisis and if you're fighting this save this country and if you're fighting to take this country back it's not going to be sunshine and patriots and it will be people who want to fight. breitbart was all about the fight. we call ourselves the fight club. his take no prisoners politics has an ever-growing fringe voting bloc, bucking establishment politicians as they see fit and using social media to create political waves including the 2013 government shutdown and later driving out house speaker john boehner in 2015 with the help of anti-establishment senator ted cruz.

the former speaker had this to say about his former senate colleague. >> how about ted cruz? >> lucifer in the flesh. >> bannon has a special zeal for the clintons. >> breitbart news has taken every available news to complica complicate her candidacy, pushing the book "clinton cash" to success and bringing up her health. anyone is fair game when it comes to bannon. >> look, media is the guard to the political class and all of the consult apartments are coming after you, and the political masses and consultants are all in bed together. >> right. i agree. >> a populist at heart, bannon describes himself from a blue-color, irish-catholic, and he didn't get involved in politics until he served in the navy and saw how bad things were. soon after he became a reagan admirer by bringing bannon aboard, bannon hopes to meld the

populist outright message to his home, firing up the know anti-establishment legions of supporters and propelling them to the white house and a recent strategy and one that trump knows well. gary tuchman, cnn, atlanta. >> plenty more to talk about with the panel. we talked so much about if you look at the polls and donald trump needing to reach out to other voting blocs. he already have to andre's point earlier very strong support among the folks who wait in line for hours and hours to come to his rallies. the question is are there enough of them and does he need new people and are these new people he's hired the ones to get him -- >> one, there are not enough of them as you said of just the die-hard trump supporters and he has two missions still, and it's late in the game for the first mission which is that he is still performing among republicans at a lower level than he needs to, republicans overall and the broader sense of

people who identify themselves as republicans. he's not at the level that john mccain was at and of course, they lost, but he needs to up his republican game. hill reclinton has much higher support among democrats right now than he does among republicans. he still has to fortify his own party and then still add to it. so usually by the time the conventions roll around the candidate is focused on just adding and he still needs to do both and i don't think it's necessarily detrimental that people wants to revive the rally cry that he had all primary season long because i think that can be somewhat beneficial to him, but not sufficient. >> all of that talk, andre, of a pivot. early on, even while he was fighting the primaries at some point i don't think he necessarily used the word pivot and i can be presidential and i'll be so presidential it would be boring for everybody and you'll wish i wasn't, and i'm going to basically change, this doesn't seem to be a sign that he plans, the whole idea of a pivot seems certainly put away with these hires.

>> it doesn't seem like it's come natural for him and it seems like he's fought it and i think donald trump is just a business guy at heart and he's been with other people along the way and he called the shots. >> if he's going to win or lose, he wants to do it his way. >> i'm not sure he thinks like that. i don't think winners think like that. i don't think he's lived his life thinking i may lose. i think he's focused and there may be other people saying that, and the other thing is he's adding to the team. he did say that at some point in time, and they've raised money and they're going to start spending money and they'll go up on air and they're growing the campaign staff. >> isn't it a little different, though, that campaign is starting to look really top heavy and while i don't think there are a lot of similarities between a hillary clinton campaign and a donald trump campaign this reminds me of what happened with hillary clinton in 2008 where they were top heavy and he had informal advisers on

the outside that were different from the campaign manager and late in the game and the campaign manager was replaced and this time we're seeing not necessarily a new campaign manager and someone who was known as the campaign ceo and i don't know what the distinction is between a campaign ceo and a campaign chairman and they still have a campaign manager and a new one, kellyanne and now, what's next? the campaign president? i'm just wondering what the top heavy -- >> no i definitely am not going to go there. >> you said earlier thinking about past november? >> that's right. >> think we need to keep that in mind. steve bannon is coming over from media. it's all about aggregating the biggest possible audience. that's what trump tries to do and what cnn tries to do. what if trump loses. who does he have? steve bannon, and roger ailes and he has all of the people to put together a new media company and something we can't picture that. i think we have to consider that

possibility even if trump would never acknowledge that's real. >> yeah. >> the other interestingas pekt is for more establishment republicans, what does this mean? breitbart has had them in their sights a lot just as much as liberals, so if you are a paul ryan or mitch mcconnell or if you're the rnc and looking at this, at a certain point do you start to think, you know what? we'll start putting resources elsewhere? >> i keep hearing that, but donald trump's their fund-raising mechanism. he's their draw. i continue the discussion through the media and i haven't heard the republican party talk about it and without him they have the funding mechanism and it's not nearly as powerful as the top of the ticket and he is an amazing draw like him or not like him. >> he's an amazing detractor and we know there are a number of rnc folks who left and they had to replace a whole black outreach, and they were hired

consult apartments. he is a polarizing candidate. >> if the rnc would go away, i think it would be a dangerous move because they're relying on him for the ground operation and if that were to fall away, not only is that a dangerous move on the presidential level, but if he began to tank in a lot of these key battleground states where there are key senate candidates in those key states. >> if ails and bannon and stone and others encourage trump's worst impulses in september and october, won't more establishment republicans need to get out of town or go over to gary johnson or to try to avoid donald trump? isn't that one possible scenario? >> it's a total risk. i just think one of the things we need to watch for in the next few days is we're talking a lot about staff and at the end of the day it comes down to candidate and if the candidate, and if all he did was do what roger stone told him to do, perhaps that would be a risk, kellyanne conway is talking to him now also.

that's a different slice of advice that he's getting and his instincts are not just to go to the right. some of thestincts as you were saying to try to reach a mass audience. >> a lot to watch for in the coming days. >> do you think we'll see a change in the coming days? >> do you think there will be demonstrable differences that quickly? >> no. i think it will take longer than the next few day, but he does have rallies over the course of the next three days in north carolina and michigan upcoming and i do think we'll see him in an atmosphere and see if he is relieved of something and see if he's a little looser. >> coming up, what hillary clinton has to say about the trump shake-up as well as the new questions surrounding the clinton administration. and a look ahead at jill stein ahead of tonight's town hall. steve. yeah?

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donald trump. there are details surrounding the clinton foundation and the state department when she served as secretary of state. those details don't seem to be derailing clinton's message on the campaign trail which has been disstilled down to a simple friends don't let friends vote for donald trump. joe johns takes a look. >> reporter: riding high on new polls showing big leads in virginia and colorado and tied in iowa, hillary clinton arrived in battleground ohio today in full attack mode, leveling attacks against donald trump once again calling out the billionaire businessman over his failure to disclose his tax returns and repeating the accusation that his tax plan would give the trump family a benefit of $4 billion. >> he's even created a new tax loophole that we call the trump loophole. of course, we have no idea what tax rate he pays because unlike everybody else who has run for president in the last four or five decades he refuses to release his tax returns. so the american people can't

really judge. >> reporter: and behind the scenes, clinton's campaign manager was also blasting the trump campaign for the latest shake-up, telling reporters on a conference call -- >> donald trump has decided to double down on his most small, nasty and divisive instincts by turning his campaign over to someone who is best known for running the so-called news site that peddles divisive and at times racist and anti-muslim and ant ant anti-semitic conspiracy theorists. >> steve bannon who is taking over as chief executive of the trump campaign. in her cleveland speech mrs. clinton made a reference to his new ceo. >> donald trump has shown us who he is. he can hire and fire anyone he wants from his campaign. there is no new donald trump. this is it. >> reporter: the turmoil in the trump campaign distracts from

her own troubles including new details that shortly after she stepped down as secretary of state the state department expressed interest in a nigerian land deal involving billionaire lebanese businessmen gilbert and ronald chagoury. gilbert had given over a million dollars to the clinton foundation. the property was on a list of several properties it was considering for a consulate. the deal never went through. surrounding the inference of pay for play which the campaign has denied prompted the boston globe to write in an editorial that mrs. clinton shut it down. the inherrent conflict of interest was obvious when hillary clinton became secretary of state in 2009. if the clinton foundation continues to cash checks from foreign governments and other individuals seeking to ingratiate themselves.

>> what is the clinton campaign saying about the nigerian land deal? >> number one, anderson, they are pushing back saying there is no quid pro quo whatsoever here and they're pushing back on the conservative group that released this document that started the latest rounds of questions. that statement from the clinton campaign says citizens united is a right-wing group that's been attacking the clintons since the 1990s and is once again trying to make something out of nothing. this draft letter was written after hillary clinton had left the state department and it never led to any deal. gilbert chagoury, the billionaire businessman also in the middle of all of this has put out a statement as well which reads sort of like a commercial for real estate on the location in nigeria that was under consideration. he said, in part, it made sense for the state department to look at that location because of its security and because it's a new place in nigeria, just one of

several locations that statement says that the united states was considering for its consulate, anderson. >> clinton's running mate, tim kaine talked about another clinton controversy 20 years ago involving bill clinton. what did he say? >> well, this statement actually occurred apparently in 2002. this was well after the impeachment of bill clinton, but he was weighing in on the issue of whether bill clinton ought to have resigned due to the monica lewinsky scandal and he was quoted by the newspaper at that time saying if the allegations were true, bill clinton should have resigned. this time around asked by a television station in iowa he said essentially that he was disappointed with the former president, but did not want to relitigate the issue, anderson. >> joe johns, thank you. coming up, a preview of tonight's green party town hall that begins less than 30 minutes

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>> tonight there's a new twist in the reported armed robbery of olympic swimmer ryan lochte ask three of his teammates in rio. today a judge gave authorities to -- the problem is for the brazilians lochte is already back in the u.s. he returned on a commercial flight on monday. it's believed the other swimmer, though, james feigen is still in brazil. here's how lochte first described the incident to nbc news. >> they told the other swimmers to get down on the ground. they got down on the ground. i refused and i was, like, we didn't do anything wrong. so i'm not getting down on the ground, and then the guy pulled out his gun. he calked it a ed ied i ed iede forehead and put my hands up and i was, like, whatever. >> an international olympic committee spokesman said it is absolutely not true and he later backtracked and apologized.

joining us from rio is christine brennan, cnn sports analyst. we just heard what ryan lochte had to say to billy bush on the "today" show, there are questions about the story. what's the latest on it? >> yes, anderson. the judge is concerned. one of the things she said was that one of the swimmers said they were attacked by one person and another said there were several people. there's a time lapse of what they were doing when and there is video of what many folks are seeing at the end of the long night of celebrating that they seemed to have all of their valuables. they seem happy, nonchalant and she pointed all of those things out wondering if they falsified the police report which is a crime here that could be punished by up to six months in jail although no one thinks that would actually occur and ryan lockty is back in the united states and he's certainly not going to come back to face the music if there is any music to be faced. >> has he commented on this?

he's back in the u.s. has he made a statement? >> his lawyer has. his lawyer says he doesn't intend to come back to the u.s., anderson. >> back to -- >> yes. back to brazil. >> he doesn't expect -- he says he's sorry that he's caused this hubbub and obviously taking away from some of the news about the athletes and ryan lochte is sorry about that, but the lawyer says ryan lochte stands by his story that he was robbed at gun point the other evening. >> and james feigen, is he still in brazil and if so, would his passport be taken away? >> he's still in brazil according to all of our sources. we don't know where he is which is a little surprising with the authorities wanting to speak to him and the u.s. olympic committee saying they will cooperate that he has not yet apparently been interviewed although we are not sure what's happened this evening and yes, he is till believed to be here and theoretically his passport could be taken and the u.s. olympic committee is offering all of its services to james

feigen and his family including legal services if he wants them. >> what is so strange about this is the flipside of this is why would ryan lochte and the other swimmers lie about this? >> reporter: exactly. there are a lot of theories floating around. obviously, we're journalists and we don't need to get into all of those theories and the question might be that it was a night out and if something happened that he wanted to tell a story, but what a wild story to tell. and what a damaging story to tell because as you know, all of the talk is about street crime, all of the things about rio and how they would pull off the olympics and if this is not true, for ryan lochte to say a gun was pointed to his head could be such a damaging thing for the city. it already has the games kind of on edge. if that story is not true, i think ryan lochte will certainly never have another sponsor again if it were to come out that he

made this up and it would be a horrible p.r. move for him and the olympic committee and for the entire u.s.-brazil relations. >> you think it could have that severe an impact if it's not true that he could lose all sponsorship? >> oh, i do because first of all, this has been such a big story and it's a story that's hijacked the second week of the olympics. swimming just ended and he was out with his buddies and that's understandable, but yeah. i think so. the idea if he made it up and i want to stress, we have no idea. >> right. >> if the judge is correct in looking into this and if he made it up, i can't imagine a sponsor who would ever want to be involved with ryan lochte again. >> we'll continue to follow it. christine brennan, we appreciate your reporting and we are 15 minute away from the cnn's green party town hall. a closer look at the candidate and her running mate and their background, what they stand for and how they plan to change the country. [ simultaneously ] she does. help defend against those digestive issues.

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we demilitarize the police. >> reporter: as the green party's nominee, jill stein is pushing an agenda for the mainstream from the political fringe. >> i'm the only candidate in this race who is not poisoned by corporate money, lobbyists and super pacs. >> she's a harvard-educated doctor whose platform revolves around a serious effort to end climate change, including a u.s. shift to 100% renewable clean energy by 2030. that means an end to offshore oil drilling, frackiing and mountaintop mining. she wants a $15 minimum wage, guaranteed work for all and more power for unions and a 50% cut in what she considers runaway military spending. >> what do we have to show for it? failed states and mass refugee migrations and worse troerist threats. >> and she wants to free college tuition and legalize marijuana

and a new way to do business in washington. >> the majority of people are calling with something else, something with integrity and something that is not bought and paid for by the big players, by the big banks and the war profiteers. >> stein's questioning of the health effects of has raised eyebrows but not nearly as much as her vice presidential running mate. >> ajamu baraka works for a liberal think tank. he has called america a racist, capitalist state waging war against black, brown and poor people. he has also called the current owner of the office -- >> barack obama has, he engages what i call instrumental blackness. he puts on his black act. he becomes a black person when it becomes important to deliver up that blackness.

>> still, like stein, baraka believes the nature of the presidency can change. >> we will be there to provide opportunity for a new day and another way. >> and their message to the major parties? >> we're saying to them, get out of the way because we've got a future that we have to take back and we are in a hurry to make that happen. now. >> cnn, washington. >> back now with the panel. joining the conversation. cnn commentator, mark hill. you're a supporter of the green party -- >> and one of the advisers on the campaign, yes. >> this is a huge opportunity for them. this is probably one of the bigger worldwide audiences they will have to date. >> one, they need to really arrest particular 38th green party agenda. there are many people excited about bernie sanders. >> they're aiming for those bernie sanders disenfranchised --

>> absolutely. people who want to see change in our approach to the middle east, to trade, to education, the militarization of police in the united states. we have answers. we want to get through those tonight. we want to talk with the long term vision of the green party. it would be dishonest to say this is an easy race to win. the argument is why vote green when the stakes are so high? we have to have an answer to that question. >> what is the answer to that? a lot of folks say a vote for the green party is a vote away from hillary clinton. and that could help donald trump. >> my answer is we have to have a long term political vision. i don't believe a donald trump presidency is good for america. i think anyone left of just about anybody would agree with that. however, there is a long term political history of neo liberal democrats. we need a bigger political vision that cannot be locked in to the latest news cycle or campaign.

>> a lot of people point to ralph nader who took enough votes away. >> right now in our latest polling, we see about 70%, 7 in 10 sanders supporters are with hillary clinton. that doesn't leave a huge universe right now for sanders supporters to scoop up. even if they get remaining 30%, it is hard to see how they get to the 15% threshold to get into the debates which would be a huge turning point if they were able to do so. >> for them as it is for gary johnson and bill weld, it is crucial to move forward. >> no question about it. and i think it is a substantial up-hill chime. i think gary johnson, for example, is polling around 9% and she is at 2%. i think it is very tough. i like a lot of what they say. i just don't think that it is plausible to see that type of

left agenda, being accomplished with the voters where we are. i think we are in a very polarized america. some of that we can thank donald trump for that and i'm sure there is someone else to blame as well. i don't see green party ticket really capturing any substantial number of votes. not even enough interest to get into the debates. >> i've heard some trump supporters saying if they were advising donald trump, they would suggest donald trump try on negotiate the debate commission to let them in, to leapt gary johnson, to let jill stein in. the more people you have in a debate, they feel might help donald trump. >> i don't. i've been in the debates when i was running for office. they eat up your time. >> a very intensive, two-person debate back and forth may not be donald trump's strength. he did very well in a lot of

debates when there were a lot of folks on stage. >> he has to show the difference between and he hillary clinton. this other stuff muddies the water. he has to show how it will take the time. >> i don't know that anybody thinks jill stein has a real chance of getting into the debates. >> this is an opportunity unlike any she's before. the first debate is september 26. a short window of time to dramatically change the trajectory. that doesn't mean she can't have an influence on the debate and indeed, we know one thing. we've seen it in the libertarian town halls. there is a hunger in the country for something other than hillary clinton and donald trump. so there is a real opportunity for her to speak to that and tap into that outsider theme. that fuel that has been sort of

animating this entire election season. >> she's talking about a 50% reduction in spending on the military. that has to be a tough, if national security is the main issue and you're not in favor climate change but actual terrorism, is that an issue she is toward address? >> it is an issue that she is ready to address. if you're worried that terrorism and the kind of, more terrorism, donald trump's rhetoric is equal ly. >> we're out of time. the town hall starts in just a moment right here. ♪ ♪ only those who dare

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good evening. welcome to the green party town hall. this is your chance to get to know candidates thin party that promise as real alternative in november. >> for voters tired of this -- >> friends don't let friends vote for trump. >> has anybody lied as much as hillary clinton? >> they're promising something truly different. >> when we stand up together, we are unstoppable. we say no to the lesser evil. >> they say why not? >> we have a fe