hatred so deep. it drove omar mat mateen slaughter people on a dance floor in orlando. it is impossible to understand and impossible to get into the mind of a terrorist.

>> they are facing terror and tragedy. >> why do so many hate the usa. >> better ticket of the man accused of murdering 13 people. >> what did we do to the islamic world. 15 years after 9/11 we are no longer surprised when they tell us they want to kill us. >> you can go to a gun show at the convention center and who

are they? how many. are they multiplying in a new deadly form? >> tomorrow will be washington. it will be new york. it is coming. inside schools. >> being taught how to kill us. if the goal is to terrify america, it worked. >> let's look at the mood of the country. terrorism is front and center. >> that are fear paved the way for a new voice in this country. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shut down of muslims international

the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. we can have more world trade centers. it's going to get worse, folks. >> trump's message led some americans to say who cares why they hate us. we hate them. >> who is bombing buildings and airplanes. it's not the christians and the jewish, it's not the buddhists. it's the muslims. you got that on cameras? >> we have training camps brewing where they want to kill us. >> they are coming to get us and won't be happy until they take over the country. we have to be under sharia law. i'm not going to bow down to them.

>> with fear it's a matter of life and death. >> when you ask someone steeped in the subject like columbia, he makes an important distinction. >> why do they hate us? >> if you take they as being muslims, they don't hate us. if you talk about they as being a narrow group of extreme radicals, that's an entirely different question. >> he comes from that very small group of extreme radicals. >> to the muslims in america, i have to this say. how can you have your loyalty to a government that is leading the war against the muslims? >> no one scares american security officials more than him. >> wanted dead or alive. >> head of al questioned add in yemen. >> helps plan attacks on the united states. >> he is the driving force

behind all of the worst terrorist attacks in america since 9/11. >> we are facing those who love death just like you love life. >> he is an american, born in new mexico, educated at colorado state university. how influential is he? the boston marathon bomber wrote about his teachings as he lay bleeding in a back yard boat waiting to be captured. one of the san bernardino killer, the husband watched his video sermons for years. >> what we know now, the deadliest shooting ever. >> then psychiatrist nadal hasan who murdered 13 americans at ft. hood in texas. he e-mailed about his plan. the underwear bomber trieded to

blow a plane out of the sky over detroit under orders from him. and finally orlando killer o ma mar mateen. he appears to have been swayed by him after watching his sermons on the internet. but here is the strangest twist in this american horror story. after the 9-11 terror attacks, he was invited to lead prayers at the u.s. capital. he was considered such a perfect role model, a moderate imam, that "the washington post" did a story about him. >> there is always an association between islam and terrorism. when that is not true at all. gradually it is possible to seat beginnings of this

disenchantment. >> there are reasons for this. the fact that the u.s. they have administered the death and homicide of over one million civilians in iraq. >> he was a scholar and never cites his religion when he speaks about why he hates us. >> everybody turn outside. his reasons are about american foreign policy. the so-called war against islam that jihadis speak of. the fbi began to monitor our life. he fled to yemen and eventually became a top leader of al qaeda.

>> would you say it's as least as severe? >> probably the most significant race than on land. >> there is one important fact about him that i have not mentioned. he is dead. it was an american drone strike in 2011. here's the most frightening fact. he is still killing americans. some of the bloodiest terror he inspired happened after his death. the san bernardino killings and the boston bombings and the worst mass shooting in american history, the orlando nightclub murders. hoe is on the internet right now, literally thousands of his videos are just a click away. >> the you remember the good old days when american his security and peace? >> the man is dead, the message is not.

yet his main explanation for why they hate us doesn't ring true to me. the united states has for better or worse waged war in many lands. why are there no vietnamese or cambodian terrorists? and why do they kill mostly other muslims? the explanation for the violence in the world of islam must lie somewhere else. somewhere deeper. some say it comes direct low from the koran. but is the muslim holy book being distorted? >> the koran promises a martyr in the name of islam. 72 virgins. is that true? >> what exactly does the koran promise martyrs? when we come back. moms know their kids need love, encouragement and milk.

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>> 9/11, 7-7 in london. mumbai, the boston marathon, san bernardino, paris, brussels, and now orlando. all perpetrated by muslims and all done in the name of islam. it raises a question, the wobs question. is islam an inherently violent religion? ask a critic of islam and then ask an honest muslim reformer, you will get essentially the same answer. there is a connection between the religion and the violence. >> it's time to stop saying this is not about islam. isis is uber islamic and it's

time it's side. >> the next time you hear this, no, please don't misunderstand. islam has nothing to do with this. that's simply not true. most of the people doing these bombings and beheadings say they are doing it in the name of allah and cite verses from the koran. >> we are men horrored who find the peaks to perform jihad. >> the controversial question triggered a shouting match. >> we have to be able to criticize bad inside. >> this is the mother lode of bad ideas. how can more than a billion people who don't bunch women and just want to go to the store. >> and let's get down to who has the right answer.

a billion people. all of these people don't hold these pernicious beliefs. they don't. >> we will come back to the point about the numbers, but let's look at the text. the koran does contain verses that encourage intolerance and violence. it recommends a fiery death for gay people in a shower of stone. look at the bible on the same subject. in leviticus, if a man has sex with another man, kill them both. both holy books have messages recommending forward for nonbelievers. this verse in the koran is the that isis has taken literally. i will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. therefore strike off their heads. >> we will continue to strike the next of your people. >> but the same belief that

guides isis appears in the baseball. believers are instructed to stone nonbelievers until they die. 24 holy books with one obvious difference. they are acting on what they read in the koran. >> islam is being manipulated and used. >> they point to an one example of manipulation in a story. >> the koran promises a martyr in the name of islam. 72 virgins. is that true? >> it is not true. >> she said that several scholars studying the original text came to a startling realization. >> nowhere in the koran does it promise 72 virgins, 70 virgins, 48 virgins. what it promises as far as heaven goes is something lush. the arabic word for virgin has

been mistranslated. the original word that was used in the koran was the word for raisin. not virgin. in other words, martyrs would get raisins in heaven, not virgins. >> 72 raisins. imagine the surprise of the terrorists who expected something completely different. >> the story illustrates that radicals have twisted islamic ideas. it always reflects a growing new reality. the violent jihadis who carry out terror attacks know little about islam. >> in many cases they are petty criminals and dropouts. in many cases they are unemployed and drug users. they never had anything to do with the religion. no religious training

whatsoever. >> you probably know it's not better than me. >> they are ignorant of religion and latch on to radicalism as a way to act out. >> the brothers fit the profile. these are the isis killers partying at a high end nightclub in brussels. he was the mastermind of the paris attacks. rahim blew himself up in paris. it is easier, say some, to brain wash recruits who are not religious. former radical hold the forker that for purposes of recruitm t recruitment, having no background is islam is an advantage. he is trying to stop the recruitment process by exposing young people to all of islam's ideas. >> i am pointing out that the faith itself has the raw material. they have the elements for a

change. >> there is another famous koranic story. a father's twos convert to christianity and leave home. the father asks the prophet to bring them back, but mohamed declines saying there is no compulsion in religion. >> the book can't speak. it is we muslims who speak on its behalf. there is a beautiful passage in the koran, one of many, that states god does not change the condition of a people until they change what is inside themselves. >> to those who say you are cherry picking, what do you say? >> i say yes. that is correct. and so are you by not acknowledging the freedom loving verses of the koran. >> as you can see islam can be used in many ways, but the question remains, why is an intolerant and violent interpretation flourishing in

important parts of the world? it all starts, believe it or not with an american pop song.

we are scrambling to figure out what turned this couple into mass murderers. >> the wife in the san bernardino terrorist attacks. >> how and where was the 29-year-old mother of a newborn radicalized. >> we looked at her and asked how, how does a young mother drop her baby off at grandma's after nursing that baby and proceed to massacre 14 people and give up her own in a twisted act of martyrdom? there is a way to understand this. you can draw a straight line directly to the roads of modern radical islam. let me begin by going back to the beginning of the story. bizarre though it may sound, the

radical islamic movement started with a popular american song. 1914. the place was in colorado. baby, it's cold outside was playing on an old gram phone. a student happened to stop in. he was a deeply conservative muslim and he was horrified by what he saw at that dance. he wrote later of what he called the animal-like mixing of the sexes. the halls swarmed with legs. lips met lips, chests met chests. the worst sight of all was the outline of women's breasts in tight sweaters. he wrote an essay about his time, the america i have seen, that became a sensation in the arab world. he hated everything about

american culture. hollywood movies, big cars, fast food. >> his views on america are terrifying because they are narrow and racist and they recent the way women and men interact and he recented a nature. >> by the 1950s, he was a fierce critic of arab governments that were trying to westernize their economy, societies and political systems. he wrote 24 books urging the return to sharia law and terrorism against the leading modern nation in the world, the united states. he was executed in 1966 for plotting to overthrow the government of egyptian president. he became a rock star among

budding radicals even as rejames were jailing and torturing his followers. >> we are muslims who believe in terrorism! >> the jails in egypt and other tyrannies was born al qaeda. >> he was read by the current head of al qaeda and osama bin laden. then in 1979, radical islam explodes. in iran, there was revolution. enraged by the rule and popular protests drove him out. angry mobs seized the american

embassy. for 444 days. the u.s. watched as americans were held hostage. >> there are indications that a large member of armed shiite muslims -- >> november 1979, cataclism in saudi arabia. the take over of the grand mosque, the holiest site. it was stormed by insurgents demanding the overthrow of the american backed saudi king. they were like rocket fuel for islamic radicals. they had taken control of iran. and in saudi arabia the monarchy makes a fateful decision. it decides to appease the ultra

conservative clergy who preach an intolerant preach of islam. they run schools to spread their poisonous world view to other muslim countries. >> it's hard to imagine a muslim community anywhere that hasn't been touched by this ideology. it is leader of the world muslims. the muslim world. >> the new saudi regime is trying to contain the spread of radical islam. >> a look at this interview with one of the most powerful men in saudi islam. the former imam of the grand mosque. >> we have the same beliefs as isis. we share their ideology.

we express it in a more refined way. >> that are ideology is still being preached in saudi arabia. from the mosques. >> remember 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 came from saudi arabia. so did osama bin laden. and one more person who was from saudi arabia. the wife in the san bernardino killings. >> she came from pakistan and moved to saudi arabia. >> malik lived in both saudi arabia and pakistan. and to what country is saudi arabia more lavishly and successfully exported its ideology? pakistan. the saudi funded mosques preach a message much like the ideology. malik, the san bernardino killer is a product of radical islam,

globalized by saudi money. and one more visitor to saudi arabia, the orlando shooter, omar mateen. he went there twice. up next, a crucial question. when we asked why they hate us, how many are there in the first place? >> 300 million people who are ready to strap bombs on their bodies. >> at most, 100,000 people. >> getting the facts right, when we return. searching for a great used car? can you help? start with the millions for sale at the new carfax.com! show me cars with no accidents. that's awesome. plus you get a free carfax® report. start your search at carfax.com!

>>. >> if you believe everything you heard about islam, you would have good reason to be afraid. >> we're need to kill them. >> very afraid. >> how many numbers are we talking about? the world has 1.6 billion

muslims. >> 300 million people who are ready to blow us up to smithereens. >> 300 million muslims ready to strap bombs to their bodies? can that really be true? donald trump offers even higher percentages. >> it's 27%, could be 35% would go to war. the hatred is tremendous. >> fox news anchor chris wallace just told the front-runner the fact. >> according to the best experts in the think tanks around the world they said at most 100,000 people are fighting for jihadist causes. >> wallace is right, trump is wrong. scholars we spoke to agree. the number of jihadis worldwide is somewhere between 100 and 200,000 and not hundreds of millions. how did they come up with the results?

simple math. they added up the memberships of all islamic terror networks worldwide. that works out to 1/100 of 1% of muslims around the world. despite the consensus, the myth persists. >> you are saying 300 million muslims? >> why don't you take a look at the poll that came out recently. >> we did take a look and we couldn't find any poll by pew that had any relation to trump's claims. the per research center sent us a statement that said it has not issued a survey saying that 27% of muslims would go to war with the united states nor asked a question of muslims about going to war. there are some pew polls with findings that are troubling. let's look at a few.

in egypt, 81% of muslims who want sharia as the law of the land said they favor stoning as a punishment for adultery and 86% favor the death penalty for those who leave islam. religious scholar. >> we may be appalled by certain regressive beliefs, but they are just beliefs. the issue is people's actions. >> can some bad thoughts lead to bad actions? bill maher makes an interesting point. >> if vast numbers of muslims across the world believe, and they do, that humans deserve to die for merely holding a different idea or drawing a cartoon or writing a book or eloping with the wrong person, not only does the muslim world have something in common with isis, it has too much in common with isis. >> he responds with an analogy

from america. >> the christians at the baptist church believe that got hates homosexuals and so as a result of that, they pick up the ceremonies of american soldier who is die overseas. christians in the united states also believe that homosexuality is a sin and they share that with the best borrow baptist church and never share in the actions. by bill marer's logic, those two groups are the same. they share one fundamental belief. >> sam harris, a critic of islam counters with his own american analogy. >> to have a play on broadway like the book of mormon it is unthinkable to produce such a play on the topic of islam.

>> the hit broadway musical lampoons the salt lake-based religion. >> what are do the mormons do? they took out ads for mormonism in the program. it's an adorable response. no one produced that play who lost any sleep or whether they might be killed or be hunted for the rest of their lives by crazy mormons. that is what we have to get to on the topic of islam. >> on this i certainly agree with harris. yet there is another ideology that is far more successful in seducing muslims. erican democracy. when we come back, the story of american islam, warts and all. t-mobile's coverage is unstoppable. we doubled our lte coverage. and, with extended range lte, it reaches farther than ever. now you can stream video and music free in more places

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>> michigan is a story as old as americans it became known as

little warsaw. preserving the traditions in a new country. fast forward to the late 20th century and the american dream repeats itself. this time the immigrants are muslims from yemen and bangladesh and bosnia. and now what was once known as little warsaw is the first city in america run by muslim americans. it has a majority muslim city council. >> the elections had historic significance for the community and the country. >> more story, the inevitable culture clash. >> i don't like the changes going on. i'm leaving. church bells collide with the call to prayer.

restaurantsicater to separate groups. different cultures living side by side. there have been rough spots, but they gradually have begun to make the reality and the new government work. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag -- >> we have a great possibility of showing the world how to getting to to solve problems. >> but then the calls started coming in from the rest of america. >> they try to bring sharia law and people are going crazy. >> it's time to say no sharia in america. >> many communities across the country fear that arab immigration could translate into sharia law. >> i didn't say to hate them. i said we don't need them here. >> islam will never dominate the united states. by the grace of god it will not dominate texas.

>> sharia law has never been established in any city in america. no one wants it less than the muslim americans. >> we don't believe in that. we came here to this country to run away from sharia law. you think i would have it follow me here? i don't think so. >> community activists say his family fled in search of the same things all americans want. >> we came here for a better life. for security and for a better future. that's all we came here for. we will always carry the american flag wherever we go. >> it's a country where advancement and entry into the middle classes and in some cases access to wealth and power is open to people of all backgrounds. >> look at khan. he came to america from pakistan

at age 16. today he is a billionaire in the most american way possible. he owns an nfl team, the jacksonville jaguars. look at television host dr. oz, a first generation turkish-american. the list goes on. he said it's a list you won't find in many western countries. >> how many people on french television with elite roles in french business or the children or grandchildren or great grandchildren? we have people who are important in the media and whose faces look different than ordinary white americans. yourself, for example. there are very few french faces. >> for all the fears of sharia

law and muslims, they are partly rooted in this fact. 1% of the population of america is muslim. >> most americans don't know any muslims. it becomes very easy when confronted with extreme acts of violence in the name of islam, it becomes easy to conplate that with mainstream everyday islam. we would never make that mistake with interpretations of we are tribal ultimately. we are much more likely to forgive the extremes within our own tribe thanner with the extremes in other people's tribes. back in michigan, more than 20 different languages are spoken in the halls of the high school.

and there are cultural differences that have to be navigated that most american of traditions, the prom. >> not many girls in the high school are allowed to attend tr traditional prom with boys. >> one teacher had a solution. >> once i got it, i thought oh, yeah, this will be awesome. >> there is one prom at the high school and also one with no boys. >> you can let your hair down and wear dresses and dance around and there is no boys. >> there are certain rules. from family, education, from everywhere. but when you go there, you are like you can do anything. a bird doesn't have any limitations. >> up next, my thoughts on why they hate us. what powers the digital world? communication.

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the next time you hear of a terror attack, no matter where it is, no matter the circumstances, you will likely think to yourself, it's muslims again. and you will probably be right. in 2014, about 30,000 people were killed in terror attacks worldwide. the vast majority of those perpetrating the violence were muslim. but -- and this is important -- so were the victims. of the 30,000 dead, the vast, vast majority were muslims. that's crucial to understand because it sheds light on the question, "why do they hate us?" islamic terrorists don't just hate america or the west. they hate the modern world and they particularly hate muslims who are trying to live in the modern world. let's be clear, why the jihadis

are few, there's a larger cancer within the world of islam, a cancer of backwardness and extremism and intolerance. most of the countries that have laws that restrict the free exercise of religion are muslim majority. all that have laws against leaving the faith are muslim majority. but are these things inherent in the religion? when experts tried to explain in the 14th century islamic civilization was the world's most advanced or that the koran was once read as a liberal and progressive document, they are not trying to deny the realities of backwardness today. what they are saying is it can change. islam, after all, has been around for 14 centuries. there have been periods of war but also of peace. it's the same religion then and now. so what is different? it's not theology. it's politics. radical islam is the product of the broken politics and stagnant

economics of muslim countries. they have found in radical religion an ideology that lets them rail against the modern world, an ideology that is now being exported to alienated young muslims everywhere, in europe, even in some rare cases, in the united states. so how to end this? there's really only one way. help the majority of muslims fight extremists, reform their faith, and modernize their societies. in doing so, we should listen to those on the front lines. many of whom are fighting and dying in the struggle against jihadis, the hundreds of muslim reformers that i've spoken to said their task is made much harder when western politicians and pundits condemn islam entirely, demean their faith, and speak of all muslims as backward and suspect. here's another way to think about this. in america, african-americans

make up about 13% of the population yet they comprise about 50% of homicide offenders, according to a justice department study. now, we understand, i hope we understand, that when we see a black man on the street, we cannot, must not treat him as a likely criminal. it would be dehumanizing, unfair and racist. in america of all places, people should be treated as individuals and not as stereotypes from a racial, ethnic or religious group. remember, the bangladeshi cab driver who drives you to the airport has nothing, nothing to do with isis even though he is a muslim. it's hard not to make these quick associations, especially in the wake of a terror attack. but if america is about anything, it is the idea that people should be judged as individuals with individual liberties and rights. it is what they hate about us. we might as well live up to our own ideals.

i'm fareed zakaria. thank you for watching. thanks for joining me. i'm martin savidge in for fredricka wlit field. it is good to be with you. just days before donald trump is set to give a speech on immigration his campaign is hinting he stands on forcefully removing millions of undocumented immigrants may be softening. this morning on state of the union his brand new campaign manager said that donald trump's forced deportation is, quote, to be determined. >> kellyanne, let me get clarity since you were at the meeting. does donald trump still support the deportation force and