interview, she is responding to questions. also about her e-mails and probably the most clear response we have got from her in 17 months. also responding to questions about we have it all covered this morning. let's start with sara murray in tampa, florida. >> reporter: good morning, poppy. it seems like trump is finally ready to make this general election pivot as he tries to make this appeal to minority voters. but hillary clinton, she's not having any of it, spending her day today trying to paint donald trump as an extremist right-wing candidate. >> they'll pay back taxes. they have to pay taxes. there's no amnesty. but we work with them. >> reporter: donald trump suggesting a major reversal on the hard line immigration proposal he's touted since the start of his campaign. >> everybody agrees we get the bad ones out, but when i go

through and i meet thousands and thousands of people on this subject, and i've had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me, and they've said, mr. trump, i love you, but to take a person that's been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and their family out, it's so tough. i mean, i have it all the time. it's a very, very hard thing. >> reporter: backtracking on his tough talk of using a deportation force to round up and deport 11 million undocumented immigrants. >> i would get people out, and i would have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be illegleg. they're illegal immigrants. >> reporter: now he appears to be considering deporting those with criminal records while allowing other undocumented immigrants who pay back taxes to stay in the country. remarkably similar to the plans his republican opponents pushed during the primary. >> i don't think you're going to round up and deport 12 million

people. >> you pay taxes. you don't receive federal government assistance. you earn legal status, not citizenship. >> reporter: plans that trump criticized back when he was fighting to win the republican nomination. >> they're weak people. marco rubio is in favor of amnesty. >> reporter: trump's minority voter outreach inspiring him to lob one of his sharpest attacks against his opponent. >> hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color -- [ applause ] -- only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. >> reporter: as clinton turns the line of attack around on trump, previewing the trump takedown she's set to deliver in reno today. >> he is taking a hate movement mainstream. he's brought it into his campaign. you know, someone who's questioned the citizenship of the first african-american president, who has courted white supremacists, who has been sued

for housing discrimination against communities of color, is someone who is, you know, very much peddling bigotry and prejudice and paranoia. >> reporter: now, speculation has been whirling for nearly a week about just how far donald trump is going to go in moderating his immigration language and how far he'll go in changing his policy. we're now learning he's expected to deliver an address on immigration next week in phoenix, arizona. that was supposed to happen this week, but it was postponed. poppy? >> all right. big day ahead for that speech next week. sarah, thank you so much live for us in tampa. also, hillary clinton is now responding to trump's immigration flip-flop. she spoke with our anderson cooper. this is her first national news interview in nearly a month. she takes on a number of topics, including the e-mail saga that's been haunting her campaign. >> according to "the new york times" report, you told fbi investigators that former

secretary of state colin powell advised you to use a personal e-mail account. his response to that this past could was, quote, her people are trying to pin it on me and she was using it for a year before i sent her a memo telling her what i did. did you say that to fbi investigators, and is secretary powell right? were you using this private e-mail server prior to your conversation with him? >> well, look, i have the utmost respect for secretary powell. he was incredibly gracious and helpful after i was nominated and before i took the job. i appreciated the time he took when i was preparing to become secretary, and i valued his advice. i'm not going to relitigate in public my private conversations with him. i've been asked many, many questions in the past year about e-mails, and what i've learned is that when i try to explain what happened, it can sound like i'm trying to excuse what i did.

and there are no excuses. i want people to know that the decision to have a single e-mail account was mine. i take responsibility for it. i've apologized for it. i would certainly do it differently, if i could. but obviously i'm grateful the justice department concluded there was no basis to pursue this matter further, and i believe the public will be and is considering my full record and experience as they consider their choice for president. >> donald trump is now indicating he would allow some illegal immigrants to remain in the country. early on during the primaries, you well know he talked about 11 million undocumented immigrants, they all have to get out, the good ones can come back in, in his words. he's now told fox news he would work with people if they paid back taxes. he says that's not amnesty, they wouldn't get a path to citizenship. what do you make of what appears to be quite a big shift on this, if this is his policy moving forward? >> my understanding is that the

comment you just referred to was the third different position he took yesterday on immigration. somebody has told him, i guess the latest people that he's consulting, how damaging his statements have been, how terrible his deportation plan is, how offensive his views on immigrants have been from the very first day of his campaign. so he's tried to do kind of a shuffle here, but i think we need to look at the entire context. we need to believe him when he bullies and threatens to throw out every immigrant in the country. certainly when he changes his position three times in one day, it sends a message that it's just a desperate effort to try to land somewhere that isn't as, you know, devastating to his campaign as his comments and his positions have been up until

now. >> all right. very interesting there. so some progress in terms of how clinton wants to deal with the situation of this e-mail server in the first place and then some finesse points on politics as well. >> interesting the most clear comment she's made on this e-mail saga in 17 months was on the phone. >> doesn't change the facts, but does deal with her personal responsibility. let's bring back sarah murray and cnn political analyst and presidential campaign correspondent for "the new york times" maggie haberman and political reporter for "the washington post" philip bump. let's begin with immigration. i understand why people like to be very careful when they're going to criticize a trump position because we all know what he does when he gets criticized, but how do you look at what he's doing now with immigration as anything other than someone like a kellyanne conway or other people saying you're losing because people think you're a bigot and a racist on immigration, right or wrong you need to soften and sound like everybody else who's being reasonable. so now he's doing that.

>> certainly in the language he is doing that. it's not just that he criticizes you, but he'll say, i didn't really say that because what he says is so vague you're trying to pin him down. >> he said we'll work with them. >> no, he said we'll work with them. he said he hears from people around the country who say, i've been here 20 years, are you going to send me back? that is the language of people who favor not deporting people. it's impossible to get away from the fact he's stopped talking about a deportation force. that was a big thing during the primaries. he still talks about a wall. this was certainly a rhetorical shift. i don't know that it undoes 15 months of comments. >> even kellyanne conway in her interview here on cnn said tbd to dana bash when pressed on it. i think it's important to look at whether this broadens his base, or does this alienate his go-hard supporters enough to push them not to go to the polls, they're not going to go to clinton, but not go to the

polls in droves like he needs. not to mention if you're marco rubio or jeb bush this morning, you're annoyed. let's listen to how similar trump sounds to them in the primary. >> if you're a criminal alien, no, you can't stay. if you're someone that hasn't been here for a very long time, you can't stay. i don't think you're going to round up and deport 11 million people. >> you come out from the shadows. you receive a provisional work permit. you pay taxes. you don't receive federal government assistance. you learn english. you earn legal status, not citizenship. >> they'll pay back taxes. they have to pay taxes. the bad guys are out of here. now, that one we agree on. but to take a person that's been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and their family out, it's so tough. >> can he make this work for him, philip? can he convince people he's learned, he's been educated through this process after winning the primary and now he has a more full picture? >> i don't think he has a choice

but to try. if you look at the most recent "washington post"/abc news poll, one-fifth of republican men and one-quarter of republican women think he's bigoted or sexist, which is remarkable. that's within his own party. clearly what he's trying to do is bring those republican back into the fold. by echoing someone like a jeb bush, that seems like generally a good way to do it, but the problem is he's been saying this for 15 months. he's been talking about this for a long time. people have to decide if the 15-month donald trump is the one to listen to or the two-month donald trump. i don't think this is going to hurt his core base of support. i don't know that people are going to be convinced by this last-minute conversion. >> it's an open question. let's bring in sarah murray. you see the response of people at the rallies. what's the risk? the risk to being reasonable, which is what he's being on this issue. it's where all reasonable minds have wound up. you can't deport 11 million people. may not be humane. certainly not feasible. does it alienate those who are hard line trump supporters because they love what he was

calling strength in the beginning, that everybody's got to go and we'll get them out, throw them right over this big wall that mexico is going to pay for. have you noticed any softening in their support? >> well, i don't think it alienate them for two reasons. one, one of the phenomenons we've notice about trump supporters is he take all these different positions, he's very vague. they sort of look for the points they like and they ignore the points they don't like. they say, no, this thing donald trump said about the wall, that's what he really means. and he's just softening his language, but he's not softening his policy. the second, if you are a true hard line immigration voter, you're not seeing hillary clinton and seeing a better alternative there. you'll still stay with donald trump. the question is not whether he loses them in a flop to another candidate. the question is whether they don't show up in the same kind of force he was hoping to. i have to agree with philip. at this point, he doesn't really have another option. he needs to expand his base of support one way or another. that's the message he's getting from kellyanne conway.

this is one way for him to try to do it. >> so let's turn to hillary clinton. big interview with anderson cooper last night. she hasn't given a national interview in almost a month. she gave, arguably, her most clear, direct i'm sorry answer to the e-mails. you just heard it in the piece. she said, you know, whenever i try to explain, it sounds like an excuse. she said, there are no excuses, i apologize. it has been, what, 17 months since that press conference at the united nations. does it matter now, or is it too late? >> i think it would have been more helpful to her and her campaign aides if she had said this a year ago, either at that press conference or when it was revealed that the fbi was looking at what had happened with the server. at any point prior to now. it's better late than never, obviously. i think what her folks are lo looking toward is not just staurching this as an issue, but they're looking at trying to get her in a certain head space heading into the debate. she's going to get pushed on this at the debate. the more she can have an answer that sounds both credible, authentic, actually contrite

when she gets pushed, because trump is going to get in her face. >> she's in a little bit of a fix on these types of issues. we're seeing it with the foundation e-mails. the standard is not illegality. it's semblance of impropriety, an outward appearance that maybe there could be a conflict. that's unsatisfying to people because they want proof. this was wrong, this was not wrong. but this is about appearances. at the same time, clinton knows people go after her with unique zeal. these foundation e-mails is a good piece of proof of that. you can't show quid pro quo. you can't show that a law was broken. you can't show that somebody got something because they gave money to her other than a meeting that they probably would have gotten otherwise, and yet days of coverage. that'll lock a candidate up. look at trump. he's getting a taste of that on immigration. he flip-flops like that. >> yeah, i mean, the interesting thing about the foundation is the new report from the ap

reveals is really how d.c. works, which is the clintons know all these people. they all give money to her foundation. a lot of them are international actors. a lot of them want to do business with the state department. it's this cozy d.c. insider relationship, which is not illegal. you're exactly right. there's no proof that anything illegal happened and it's somewhat being blown out of proportion. but it's also what people hate about d.c. one of the challenges hillary clinton has is she's been in politics so long, has so many of these relationships -- >> but it's a lens on how she will be as president of the united states. >> that's the question is raises for folks. is that the sort of person i want in the white house. a lot of people say yes. a lot of people say no. pchblts thank y >> thank you, guys. >> maggie, sarah. mr. bump, thank you. in fact, stick around. we have more we want to talk to you about. later on this morning, we'll talk to trump's campaign manager, kellyanne conway. she's in the news a lot. she's trying to soften the

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hillary clinton fired up, defending the clinton foundation. the democratic presidential candidate digging in, calling donald trump's blistering pay for play accusations nothing short of absurd. here's what she told cnn's anderson cooper. >> he also said today, quote, that you sold favors and access in exchange for cash from people who donated to the clinton foundation. i know you point to the life-saving work for the foundation, that the foundation has done over the years, getting low-cost hiv drug and other things. i know you deny the charges that mr. trump is making there. at the very least, there is an appearance of a conflict of interest for the foundation. you've agreed to make changes if

you're elected. why not just make those changes now, have your husband step away from the foundation now? >> first, what trump has said is ridiculous. my work as secretary of state was not influenced by any outside forces. i made policy decisions based on what i thought was right to keep americans safe and to protect u.s. interests abroad. no wild political attack by donald trump is going to change that. and in fact, the state department has said itself that there is no evidence of any kind of impropriety at all. now, i think it's important to recognize that the foundation, which does do life-saving work and is so well respected here in our country and around the world, has been doing this work for a number of years, and in

2009 they took steps that went above and beyond all legal requirements and indeed all standard requirements followed by every other charitable organization. i think that the announcement that the foundation has made really reflects its desire to continue as much of its important work as possible, but to do it in a way that provides great disclosure. although none of this is legally required, the steps go further than the policies that were in place when i was secretary of state. it's important to remember, anderson, the foundation is a charity. neither my husband nor i have ever drawn a salary from it. you know more about the foundation than you know about anything concerning donald trump's wealth, his business, his tax returns. i think it's quite remarkable,

his refusal to release his tax returns is even more concerning given the recent news that his businesses are hundreds of millions of dollars in debt to big banks, including the state-owned bank of china and business groups with ties to the kremlin. >> why was it okay for the clinton foundation to accept foreign donations when you were secretary of state, but it wouldn't be okay if you were president? >> well, what we did when i was secretary of state, as i said, went above and beyond anything that was required, anything that any charitable organization has to do. now, obviously if i am president, there will be some unique circumstances, and that's why the foundation has laid out additional, unprecedented -- >> but didn't those unique circumstances exist when you were secretary of state? >> no, no. you know, look, anderson, i know there's a lot of smoke and there's no fire. this ap report, put it in

context. this excludes nearly 2,000 meetings i had with world leaders, plus countless other meetings with u.s. government officials when i was secretary of state. it looked at a small portion of my time. it drew the conclusion and made the suggestion that my meetings with people like the late, great elie weisel or linda gates or the nobel prize winner were somehow due to connections with the foundation instead of their status as highly respected global leaders. that is absurd. >> all right. let's bring back in our panel to talk about it. maggie haberman and philip bump back with us, reacting to the news, that interview. no one is questioning the good work of the foundation, they're just not. but when she says, okay, the rules will need to change if i'm president, but they didn't need to change when i was secretary of state. then when anderson pressed her on that, she said basically, well, i went above and beyond in 2009. you know why she went above and beyond? because never before had there

been a situation like that. and that's not a direct answer to the question. i wonder if you think that's enough for the voter. >> i don't think it's enough for the voter, and i don't think it's enough for what's going to happen over the next eight weeks in terms of the debate and any future interviews. the fact she did this interview at all is the fact that what trump is doing, however unrealistic, is getting through to people. i think anderson asked the exact right question, which is if this is not going to be okay when you're president, why was it okay before. she doesn't have a great answer. >> why not stop now? >> or why not stop now. there are no great answers to this. it is true the foundation does good work, but it also -- there's an enormous amount of defensiveness on the part of the clun tons about this and has been for many, many years about what are legitimate questions. at the end of the day, yes, it is true. it is smoke, there is no evidence of a quid pro quo. but there is certainly clear evidence of the foundation and the state department doing what they said they wouldn't do, which is have a lot of interaction and a lot of back

and forth. that is going to look strange. to your point, we've never had a set of circumstances like this before. usually what people would do in that situation is try to use the utmost caution. the clintons repeatedly, over many years, get into these kind of situations where there's just enough for critics to hit them on. the two aides who are the most involved in this, sheryl mills and huma abedin, i assume hillary clinton will want to bring into the white house because they've been with her for a long time. that's also where there's going to be a headache going forward. >> look, there's a standard here. it's an odd turn of events that in this election we're making illegality the bar for conduct. semblance of impropriety. it sounds like legal speak, but look it up. it exists for a reason. outward appearance. what she'll benefit from is trump and his surrogates going way too far on this. they're saying the foundation was a criminal enterprise, that it was pay for play. is there any proof of pay for play? >> no, not at all. again, what we're seeing here is

we are seeing people who have relationships with the clintons, having a relationship with clinton as secretary of state, and having a relationship with the clintons as the heads of the clinton foundation. we're not seeing any situation -- even the ap report doesn't say when the people gave money in relationship to when they had these meetings. there's so many missing parts to this story, which of course the clintons hope never come up. >> and the irony is the change agent is donald trump, who gave money to the foundation, who openly says this game exists, i know, because i play it. >> he has not been asked, however, why he gave that money, if he thinks that it was a criminal enterprise. >> he has said in the past the reason he gave money to politicians was to get something. >> yes, he's given that as a broad answer. i think he's also going to get pressed on that in the debate. >> so let's talk about what he said about hillary clinton last night. he said, very loudly, she is a bigot. this is all part of his play to get even a few points stronger on the minority voters, especially african-americans.

but him doing it in that way, taking it much further than he took it last week when he said, what the hell do you have to lose by choosing me. now he's going beyond that saying don't choose her because she's a bigot. i think we have the sound. we can play it. >> hillary clinton is a bigot. who sees people of color -- [ applause ] -- only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. she's going to do nothing for african-americans. she's going to do nothing for the hispanics. she doesn't care what her policies have done to your communities. >> phil, there are two schools of thought here. is he trying to get a few more%age points on african-american voters to get up from 1% in the polls? or is he trying to convince educated white voters that he's not racist? >> i would definitely lean toward the latter option there. i think that line of argument is

not going to be an effective line of argument to a community that sees the clintons as having been part of -- you know, having a relationship with them for a long time. it's part of the reason hillary clinton had such strong support from the black community in the democratic primary. that's the reason she won by the margin she did because she had so much support from the black community. i don't think donald trump making an argument, which essentially is an argument to republicans who are skeptical of the relationship between the black community and democrats. that's why he's making the argument in the way that he made it. that's not an argument that's being made to the black community. it's being made to those republicans. >> you don't want to take the onus off the candidate. he's ultimately responsible for what comes out of his mouth. but somebody didn't do him a favor. that was supposedly in the prompter. that means messaging for him is calling hillary clinton a bigot. not only is he not going to favor in comparison to her in term of what he's done for that community, because he hasn't really done anything. but how is that going to help remove stink from trump that every time he opens his mouth,

his foot goes right into it. >> every time he tries to make this a referendum on something other than himself, it comes back to being a referendum on donald trump. there is a generational divide and has been throughout this campaign in terms of hillary clinton's support among black voters. younger black voters who came of age during the obama white house and during the black lives matter movement tend to view her with more skepticism, or some do. but hillary clinton has been pretty vocal about race since the charleston shooting, which is going back to june of 2015. she's been really clear on it. i spoke to some people yesterday who were saying, yes, i don't like hillary clinton, but that doesn't mean that i'm not aware of what donald trump has been saying for the last 15 months. this is sort of problematic. the other thing i would say is you talk to republicans privately, many of them will say this isn't a winning message period. he should be talking about the

economy. he's not going to get enough black voters to make a substantial difference. frankly at this point with this message, he's not going to get enough concerned white voters, suburbanites who don't like him being called a racist. he needs to refocus what voters are going to the ballot box on. he's making this about race even as he keeps trying to get away from it. >> and it could be about the economy. guys, thank you very much. coming up next, we're going to take you to italy, amid the death and destruction there following that horrific earthquake. we'll tell you a remarkable story of survival. the detail of that next.

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that's also taking on the terrorists. what is that about? cnn's senior international correspondent arwa damon live on the ground in northern iraq. what can you tell us about the state of play on ground and this secret network, arwa? >> reporter: good morning, chris. president ira the iraqi army is making its advances, but it's very difficult to get accurate information and an understanding of what's happening inside mosul. but we are beginning to put together a picture of what it is that this one little battalion is trying to do when it comes to the fight against isis. operating deep within the shadows of isis territory in mosul is a network so secretive, even its own members do not know each other's identities. the letter "m" spray painted on mosul's walls. the message to isis, we are here, we are among you.

the mosul battalions watch for weaknesses in isis' defenses, carrying out hit-and-run operations, or waiting for a moment to strike isolated targets, like this check point on the outskirts of the city. this man is one of their liaisons. >> how did the mosul battalions manage to initially organize themselves? >> translator: it started as two friends who trust each other, and they would arrange to target isis in a particular point. >> reporter: the same happened elsewhere, and by the end of 2014, the mosul battalions had formed. their weapons are basic. when they found and hid in the city or what they snatch from isis. >> translator: the roadside bombs they use, they would steal from isis. isis puts bombs in certain areas, and those who have previous military experience would go and steal those bombs and place them where they target

isis. >> reporter: they operate in two to three-man cells, independent of one another, no cell knows specifically of another, no fighter knows the name of more than two others. he calls a man he says is with the battalions in mosul. he's speaking from an orchard just outside the city. talking on the phone is punishable by death. >> translator: we carry out assassinations, sniper operation against senior isis members. we target the houses they live in. >> reporter: the distort eed voe in this video say they assassinated an isis fighter. they show his pistol and suicide belt. he says they're providing through intermediaries intelligence and coordinates to the coalition. here are the aftermath of a strike they say was based on their information. and they are waiting for what they call zero hour,

distributing leaflets warning isis its end is coming. they are ready, ready for the day the iraqi army breaches the city and they rally the people to rise. and mosul has another plan in place, another secretive organization, poppy, one that calls itself the peace battalion. their job is going to be a bit different to that of the mosul battalions. they're going to be focusing on preventing chaos, things like looting, but also ensuring that the civilian population in that city is protected. >> incredible reporting, arwa. live for us from erbil, iraq. thank you so much. coming up next, to politics and tying donald trump to a movement called the alt-right. what exactly is that? we'll dig into that ahead. also, hillary clinton will highlight it today in a big speech. she says it's a disturbing connection that trump has. that speech today in nevada. details ahead. ♪

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all right. hillary clinton giving a speech today where she will tie donald

trump to a far-right movement fueled by racist and hateful rhetoric. it's called the alt-right. we're going to dig into what it means and the implications ahead. with me now, host of "reliable sources," brian stelter. also with us this morning, media columnist for "the new york times" and contributor for "the new york times" magazine, jim ruttenberg. nice to have you on. brian, let me begin with you. the alt-right. quickly for our viewers, explain what this movement is. >> there are many definitions. it's a mostly online movement, mostly young white men who talk about race realism, who talk about ethno nationalism. you might describe them as people who believe in white pride. some of them are white nationals, some of them outright racists. however, some of these commenters would say they're just joking, just being provocative. the reality is, as you go deeper on these websites, the uglier it gets. >> and when you say things enough, at what point is it

really just what you think. >> there's a reality here that there's a lot of rhetoric about race and about gender as well. these so-called men's rights activists. what that really means is anti-women. >> so hillary clinton is going to tie donald trump to this today in nevada. this comes after last night he said very loudly she is a bigot, about hillary clinton. clearly either trying to convince some voters, white voters, that he's not a racist or trying to gain points among african-american voters. either way, the question becomes, will she -- will this help her, and with what group will this help her? and some have said this risks her elevating the alt-right movement. >> i think first of all the latter is probably true, but i think it arguably does help her. i think the trump campaign thinks it's a vulnerability, which is why he used the bigot line last night. the voters that are important right now are white swing voters who don't like these sort of charges of racism floating

around his campaign, the idea he plays to the white nationalist movement. so i think it's definitely about white voters. by and large, any percentage of my morety voters he can get, it's critical. he needs to build a broader coalition. >> let's listen to part of anderson's interview with hillary clinton last night. as you know, the first national interview she's given in about a month. he asked her specifically about, why aren't you talking to the press more. >> well, anderson, i'm talking to you right now. and i've given, i think, way in excess of 300 interviews this year. so i'm going to continue talking with the press and answering questions. >> why not give a press conference with a lot of different reporters? >> well, you know, i've got a lot i have been sharing with the press, talking to press as i'm doing with you right now. you know, stay tuned. there will be a lot of different opportunities for me to talk to the press.

>> all right. it's important to note here for context, donald trump's team has declined all interview requests from us, nbc, abc. he's talking to fox, but he's doing quote/unquote freniendly interviews with hannity, who says she's not a journalist. by the way, she talked to jimmy kimmel before she did the anderson interview. >> and on a day there were new questions about her foundation and her work at the state department. i think that this is parsing. she needs to do more engagement with the press. maybe strategically, she doesn't think that's in her interest. but this is about the presidency of the united states. it's not always about strategy. >> is it run out the clock? >> it's the one thing these two candidates have in common. they don't want to do interviews right now. >> you call it allergic. >> i think they're both allergicing allergic ing to interviewers.

for clinton, it is a wait out the clock strategy. already in the past couple weeks, we have seen the polls tighten a little bit. i think she felt like she needed to at least spend a few minutes explaining and defending the clinton foundation issue and explaining her e-mail situation to anderson. >> she's going to get hammered on it in the debates. i wonder if you think it's that she's shell shocked from that press conference at the u.n. last march. >> that's a long time ago. you could argue she's been shell shocked in general. she has a lot of scars from her public life, as anyone in public life as long as she has been in it would have. that said, she wants to be president of the united states. there was a point where donald trump was out all the time. now he has kind of reverted to friendlier media. i think at times that's serve him well. sometimes it doesn't. but he's out there. >> if she's in the white house, how will she be with the white house press corps? >> do you think she ever imagined she'd be up against donald trump? >> no, i don't think she ever imagined. >> it's been quite a campaign.

>> guy, thank you very much. got to leave it there. what's your take? do you want hillary clinton to hold the press conference? it's been 265 days. what would you ask? tweet us @newday or post your comment on facebook.com/newday. chris? >> thanks, poppy. trump isn't just reaching out to african-american voters. he's changing his stance on illegal immigration too. will his new push for minority votes work? we're going to ask the executive director of trump's diversity coalition next.

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my time as secretary of state was not influenced by any outside forces. >> she's got bad judgment. hillary clinton is a bigot. >> donald trump has shown us who he is. >> she's going to do nothing for african-americans. she's going to do nothing for the hispanics. >> this area has seen remarkable devastation. >> the death toll from the earthquake in italy has nearly doubled. >> people working around the clock to try to save lives. >> zika is spreading in south florida, and the stakes are high. >> children who suffer from this would not be able to cope. >> there's concern the chemical being sprayed may also be harmful. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. alisyn is off. poppy harlow is here this

morning. donald trump is backing off his signature hard line immigration stance. no more deport them all, create a task force to round them up, and anyone who says otherwise is weak. remember those statements? now there's a new line. it is that he would work with undocumented people and guess what, his form eer rivals have some tough words for him. >> hillary clinton also weighing in on trump's immigration flip-flop in a brand new cnn exclusive interview. she's also responding to new questions about her e-mails and questions about the clinton foundation, also responding to donald trump last night calling her a bigot. quite a lot of news in the last 24 hours. we begin our coverage this morning with cnn's sarah murray in tampa, florida. >> reporter: good morning, poppy. looks like donald trump is finally ready to make that general election pivot. he's watering down his rhetoric when it comes to immigration. and hillary clinton is watching all of this saying, wait a minute. she does not want to let him get away with that. that's why she's going to spend

her day painting donald trump as an extremist right-wing candidate. >> they'll pay back taxes. they have to pay taxes. there's no amnesty. but we work with them. >> reporter: donald trump suggesting a major reversal on the hard line immigration proposal he's touted since the start of his campaign. >> everybody agrees we get the bad ones out, but when i go through and i meet thousands and thousands of people on this subject, and i've had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me, and they've said, mr. trump, i love you, but to take a person that's been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and their family out, it's so tough. i mean, i have it all the time. it's a very, very hard thing. >> reporter: backtracking on his tough talk of using a deportation force to round up and deport 11 million undocumented immigrants. >> i would get people out, and i would have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal.

they're illegal immigrants. >> reporter: now he appears to be considering deporting those with criminal records while allowing other undocumented immigrants who pay back taxes to stay in the country. remarkably similar to the plans his republican opponents pushed during the primary. >> i don't think you're going to round up and deport 12 million people. >> you pay taxes. you don't receive federal government assistance. you earn legal status, not citizenship. >> reporter: plans that trump criticized back when he was fighting to win the republican nomination. >> they're weak people. marco rubio is in favor of amnesty. >> reporter: trump's minority voter outreach inspiring him to lob one of his sharpest attacks against his opponent. >> hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color -- [ applause ] -- only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. >> reporter: as clinton turns the line of attack around on

trump, previewing the trump takedown she's set to deliver in reno today. >> he is taking a hate movement mainstream. he's brought it into his campaign. you know, someone who's questioned the citizenship of the first african-american president, who has courted white supremacists, who has been sued for housing discrimination against communities of color, is someone who is, you know, very much peddling bigotry and prejudice and paranoia. >> reporter: now, while hillary clinton will be delivering a speech today, donald trump is looking ahead to his own big speech next week. that is where he's going to detail changes to his immigration policy. we're expecting that to happen on wednesday in phoenix, arizona. we'll see just how much of a change in rhetoric versus a change in policy. back to you, chris. >> sara, thank you very much.

let's bring in bakari sellers and bruce lavelle. good to have you both with us. mr. lavelle, why is the campaign calling hillary clinton a bigot? >> well, you know, i can't really speak for the campaign. i will tell you this though. i represent the national diversity coalition. we represent all types of minority groups across country. we have a pulse of what goes on in a lot of our communities. you know, this is another example of hillary trying to deflect off of not, you know, addressing her own situations as it relates to her e-mails that keep coming up. that's really suspicious. >> hold on. just so we understand, if we're on the same thing, i'm not saying you said it, but donald trump, the man you support, just said hillary clinton is a bigot. do you agree with that? >> well, i mean, she has made statements in the past that has been, you know, racist remarks

as it relates to especially the african-american community, calling them super predators and things like that. so yeah, there has been some level of, you know, stereotypes towards the african-american community, towards the clintons. >> do you believe that same criticism that mr. lavelle is charging to hillary clinton can be the same thing said for donald trump, bakari? >> well, i think so. i think that donald trump making this argument about hillary clinton being a bigot is one that's going to fall on deaf ears in many communities. i think while donald trump was being sue by the department of justice not once but twice for failing to rent to persons of color, hillary clinton was actually in african-american communities throughout the south, investigating discriminadiskri discrimination in our education system. she went to south carolina, where i'm from, and worked in south carolina to take young african-american males, juveniles, out of adult prisons because they were being raped, being beaten, et cetera. and donald trump has a long line

of instances, whether or not it's the central park five or the birther movement, which caused great hesitation. he's going to have a hard time flipping that switch. i think donald trump used that incendiary language so we don't have to delve into his policy that's going to uplift the african-american community or any minority community for that matter. >> let's do that right now. on immigration we saw a change. that's part of the diversity coalition's platform. the downside is he crushed people in the primaries who said what he's saying right now. how do you reconcile the the two positions, sir? >> well, you know, one thing about running for president, it is a long process, and you do gather general consensus among your constituents as well as your faith-based organizations, your minority communities, as you progress and you grow.

chris, you got to remember, this has been a mess on both sides that hadn't been dealt with for many years that's going to take some time to address, you know, a lot of folks that came over here undocumented and had families and in the school and everything else. it's going to take time. it's not something that's going to happen overnight. this an example of good leadership that i've been saying all along on donald trump's ability to have, you know, to listen and to understand. one thing, too, though, donald trump really cares about the community and really cares about families. this is something that unfortunately has been going on for so many years that's been neglected and pushed behind that everyone is wanting to happen overnight. it's going to be a gradual process, you know, to where we can get to a point to where we can deal with this mess. >> so bruce lavelle is making point this is about an evolution, about trump learning as he goes through the process. bakari sellers, how do you see it? >> it's a flip-flop, plain and simple. i think that republican voters, they bought a bill of goods,

hook, line, and sinker. they were bamboozled. donald trump started with dwight eisenhower's operation wetback, which is very brutal. that's what he patterned his immigration policy after. now he's getting to the point that many of us were making, even you, chris, push back. we realized it was politically unfeasible, politically stupid. it was too expensive and just inhumane. now he's getting to a point where john kasich, jeb bush, and marco rubio are sitting at home say, that's what i've been saying. now he's there. it's amazing we want to give donald trump credit for somehow finding humanity. i refuse to give him credit and say overnight he just quote/unquote found humanity. >>let put up the statements from the two campaigns. we heard from the bush campaign and from the cruz campaign, their reaction to trump changing positions. here's what they had to say. it's unsurprising that donald trump is finally faced with reconciling his immigration

policy with reality, something governor bush predicted last year. and from the cruz campaign, they said, it vindicates the speech, referring to what he did at the convention, which seemed to be a lukewarm at best embrace of the then-nominee trump. it vindicates what ted cruz warned would happen during the primaries. so the criticism is, we told you this guy would change as soon as it suited him in the general, and that's what he's doing now. fair criticism, mr. lavelle? >> no, i disagree. you got to remember those were mr. trump's opponents. they're still a little sour grapes going on. hopefully they'll come around, you know, more effectively to help us grow the party. i disagree. it's like i said before, when you're running for president, when you're campaigning, traveling from all over the country and you're getting information from a lot of -- like i said, from your faith-based organizations. mr. trump has met with a lot of faith-based pastors for many years and gathered information.

it's quite natural to learn, listen, you got to remember, guys, the president works for the people. you listen to the people as you go. i disagree with that, sir. >> and let me give you a chance to talk policy. what is mr. trump offering members of the african-american community across the spectrum? because obviously you can't describe african-americans as all living in the ghetto who get shot when they walk down the street. so what is the range of policy proposals that he has? >> well, i will tell you this. in term of his speeches, the bottom line is, chris, that a lot of the communities are having a tough time that we've been seeing on tv that has a lot of situations going on with what we've seen in milwaukee and a lot of other cities. that's been under democrat regime. the deal here is that, you know, you guys have had this for 60 years plus. give us a chance at this. give us a shot at this. in terms of mr. trump's charter school initiatives that go in a

lot of african-american communities, that could lift up a lot of these schools to get local control, trade schools, and a lot of those schools in there. alternative solutions that will really impact and help the african-american community. >> mr. lavelle swings a good stick at you, bakari sellers. a lot of these big cities have been democrat run for decades and the status quo is unacceptable. why continue to reward the party? >> well, first of all, that's a red herring. it's more complex than that. i think mr. lavelle knows that as well. if we want to throw out statistics without understanding the complexity of issues of poverty, then we can talk about the fact that 95 out of the top 100 counties that are most impoverished are in red states and the highest concentration of impoverished african-americans are in the deep south. you asked for a concrete proposal. one of the things hillary clinton is talking about is taking 10% of the federal government spending and investing that in the communities that have 20% poverty for over 30 years. it's called the 10, 20, 30 plan.

she's talking about implementing that. that uplifts 434 communities, democrat and republican, but many of which are communities of color. that's a concrete plan. i am really, really tired of donald trump and his surrogates unable to articulate to you a plan on which they're going to do anything. that's the frustrating part about this political debate. >> thank you for being here and making the case on both sides. appreciate it. >> thanks. next hour, we're going to talk with trump's campaign manager, kellyanne conway. >> looking forward to that. also, want to take you to italy this morning. the death toll from that powerful earthquake, the devastated central italy, it has hit 252 people now. the areas dealing with a series of strong aftershocks. rescue workers trying to find any survivors if they can trapped in the rubble. we showed you last hour that 8-year-old girl pulled out from the rubble, just astonishing. our senior international

correspondent has more from the hard-hit city of amatrice. >> reporter: racing against time as a series of aftershocks continue to shake central italy. rescue workers scrambling for a second day to find survivors after a devastating 6.2-magnitude earthquake. amid the rubble blanketing the town of amatrice, 60 miles northeast of rome, signs of life. are you able to breathe, the rescue worker asks. the desperate answer, only a bit. a little girl found alive under piles of broken concrete. first rescuers saw a tiny foot, then a leg. a man seems to be talking to the girl as someone repeatedly says the name julia. moments later, covered in gray dust, they pull her out. joined by bystanders, the

italianed a italian red cross ratcheting up rescue efforts. >> the problem, of course, until now has been access. >> reporter: cnn's barbie naddau was broadcasting live when suddenly there's a roar. the earthquake's epicenter surrounded by mountains and historic brick buildings causing a deadly combination of landslides and easily collapsible homes. before and after photos from google earth show a town reduced to rubble. >> the house was trembling, shaking. it got more and more intense. it felt like someone had put a bulldozer to the house to try to knock it down. >> our thanks to fred and the rest of the cnn team that are on the ground there now. this is going to go on for a long time. now, other news for you this morning, 13 people, including at least seven students, killed in a siege at american university in kabul, afghanistan. gunmen storming the campus,

sending terrified students and staff into hiding for hours. the rampage only ending when two of the attackers were killed in a police operation this morning. a third attacker was killed when he detonated his explosive-laiden car. 30 students injured in the siege. two professors, an american and an australian, were kiddal nan from the same university earlier this month. and to colombia. that war is over. that declaration coming from the colombian government. 50 years of fighting there, the two sides have been trying to get this deal done for four straight years. it is a landmark peace agreement. it's not totally done yet though. a majority of colombians have to approve it. there will be a referendum to do so in october. scientists have discovered an earth-sized potentially habitable planet orbiting the closest star to the sun, according to the european space observatory. it has a temperature, quote,

suitable for water to exist on its surface. they dubbed the new planet proxima b. it is more than four light years away from us, but practically around the corner in cosmic terms. j.b. berman looked a the this picture this morning and said it reminds him of felt or velvet photos many had in their living rooms in the '70s. >> that's the name, honestly? proxima b? >> that's just a start. it'll get a much cooler name eventually like earth. >> habitable too. coming up, back to politics. donald trump, you heard it, slamming hillary clinton and saying the lines between the state department and clinton foundation are far too blurry. what does clinton have to say? she went one on one with our anderson cooper. you'll hear her answer next. ♪

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hillary clinton fired up, defending her family's name sake foundation. the democratic presidential candidate infuriated, calling donald trump's pay for play

accusations nothing short of absurd. here's what she told anderson cooper. >> he also said today, quote, that you sold favors and access in exchange for cash from people who donated to the clinton foundation. now, i know you point to the life saving work for the foundation, that the foundation has done over the years, getting low-cost hiv drugs and other things. i know you deny the charges that mr. trump is making there. at the very least, there is an appearance of a conflict of interest for the foundation. you've agreed to make changes if you're elected. why not just make those changes now, have your husband step away from the foundation now? >> first, what trump has said is ridiculous. my work as secretary of state was not influenced by any outside forces. i made policy decisions based on what i thought was right to keep americans safe and to protect u.s. interests abroad. no wild political attack by donald trump is going to change that. and in fact, the state

department has said itself that there is no evidence of any kind of impropriety at all. now, i think it's important to recognize that the foundation, which does do life-saving work and is so well respected here in our country and around the world, has been doing this work for a number of years, and in 2009 they took steps that went above and beyond all legal requirements and indeed all standard requirements followed by every other charitable organization. i think that the announcement that the foundation has made really reflects its desire to continue as much of its important work as possible, but to do it in a way that provides great disclosure. although none of this is legally required, the steps go further

than the policies that were in place when i was secretary of state. it's important to remember, anderson, the foundation is a charity. neither my husband nor i have ever drawn a salary from it. you know more about the foundation than you know about anything concerning donald trump's wealth, his business, his tax returns. i think it's quite remarkable, his refusal to release his tax returns is even more concerning given the recent news that his businesses are hundreds of millions of dollars in debt to big banks, including the state-owned bank of china and business groups with ties to the kremlin. >> why was it okay for the clinton foundation to accept foreign donations when you were secretary of state, but it wouldn't be okay if you were president? >> well, what we did when i was secretary of state, as i said, went above and beyond anything that was required, anything that any charitable organization has to do. now, obviously if i am

president, there will be some unique circumstances, and that's why the foundation has laid out additional, unprecedented -- >> but didn't those unique circumstances exist when you were secretary of state? >> no, no. you know, look, anderson, i know there's a lot of smoke and there's no fire. this ap report, put it in context. this excludes nearly 2,000 meetings i had with world leaders, plus countless other meetings with u.s. government officials when i was secretary of state. it looked at a small portion of my time. it drew the conclusion and made the suggestion that my meetings with people like the late, great elie wiesel or linda gates or the nobel prize winner were somehow due to connections with the foundation instead of their status as highly respected global leaders. that is absurd.

>> all right. let's talk about this. joining us now is connecticut congressman and a clinton supporter, jim himes. thank you for being here. >> good morning, poppy. >> let's talk first about the foundation. you heard what she told anderson. i'll preface it by saying there's no question about the good work the foundation does and continues to do. it's beyond that because it's become clear that there was not a total separation between hillary clinton's time as secretary of state and the foundation, right. this follows her e-mail controversy. so some look at this, congressman, and they say, this is yet another example of hillary clinton play manager by her own rules, the narrative about the clintons. and they say, is this a lens through which we can see how she would operate as president, to have her own separate set of rules that is above others. not about legality but about the perception. what do you say to those folks? >> well, this isn't an example of the clintons playing by their own rules because there's absolutely zero evidence, zero evidence that any rules were broken here. now, what is undeniable is that

there is the possibility for a conflict of interest, of course. by the way, that's true in journalism. it's true in politics. it's true all over the place. >> it's about perception too. it's about her aides, like sheryl mils, coming up to new york to interview candidates for high positions in the foundation. it's about the perception of impropriety. >> i think the question is, though, if you want to believe even a tenth of the foam at the mouth rhetoric you're hearing out of donald trump, the question is, did somebody actually get something from the state department from the secretary of state while she was secretary of state because they donated to the clinton foundation? the answer to that, according to the state department, and according to anybody, is no. >> should the lines have been less blurry? i'm not talking about any laws being broken. but i'm talking about what is clearly a closer relationship than was thought before and then what she agreed to with the obama administration when she became secretary of state on how she would deal with the foundation. >> i think what you can say is

that there were staff members of the foundation communicating with staff members of state, and all of those staff members probably could have used an awful lot more discipline around that separation. but again -- and look, you've seen the e-mails. there were e-mails sent, requests made. those requests were by and large not abided by. the so-called evidence that maybe there was a, you know -- that there was a conflict, that the crown prince of bahrain got to meet with the secretary of state. hello, he's the crown prince of bahrain, a place where the fifth fleet of the united states navy is based. a nobel prize and presidential medal of freedom. there's zero evidence these people got anything for their contribution. >> i'd like to also get your

take on her e-mails. i want you to listen to how hillary clinton answered anderson's question about e-mails. this was a unique answer. i've been asked many, many questions in the past year about e-mails, and what i've learned is that when i try to explain what happened, it can sound like i'm trying to excuse what i did. and there are no excuses. i want people to know that the decision to have a single e-mail account was mine. i take responsibility for it. i've apologized for it. >> some are saying this is the best answer she's given on the e-mail question in 17 months. are you happy to hear it? m >> i am happy to hear it. this whole e-mail controversy which has dogged her and campaign for a long time i

suspect would have been a much smaller controversy if a year ago she had used language like that. >> why don't you think she did? >> i don't know. i can't get into her head. this is a woman who for three decades has been attacked constantly by outrageous claims. you know, you heard the foundation called the most corrupt institution ever by donald trump. this is a foundation that has provided hiv drugs to 12 million people around the world and that has lowered the price of malaria drugs. when you get that day in and day out, my guess is you probably put on a coat of armor that maybe makes it hard to be -- to say i'm sorry. >> the question is when you want to be the leader of the free world, you also need to be able to answer those questions very clearly and you're going to face a lot more from the white house press corps. finally to you, should she have a press conference? it's been 265 days. she said last night to anderson, stay tuned. she didn't say yes, i'll be holding a press conference. should she open herself up more, congressman? do you think at this stage that

would be beneficial? >> i think both candidates should be as accessible to the press as they can be. >> so that's a yes? >> i'd love to see her do more press conferences. she's an enormously smart woman. she does get attacked day in and day out, but she's an enormously smart woman. when she speaks, she talks about the things she's going to to do for the american people as president of the united states. when donald trump speaks, we get things it like shut out all muslims and let's build a big, beautiful wall. i'm in favor of them both doing more speaking. >> all right. nice to have you on the program. chris? >> all signs pointing to trump changing his stance on illegal immigration. it's really not a question. the question is why. he now admits tearing families apart would be a, quote, tough thing. true, to say the least. so what will he do now? let's discuss with michael smerconish next.

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we are going to come out with a decision very soon. the bad guys are out of here. now that one, we agree on. but everywhere i go, i get the

same reaction. they want toughness. they want firmness. they want to obey the law. but, but they feel that throwing them out as a whole family when they've been here for a long time, it's a tough thing. >> that's right. and that's why his opponents, both within his own party and in the democratic party, have been saying you can't throw out 11 million people. it wouldn't work. it wouldn't be right. well, it seems donald trump has come around. he still wants to build his wall. he still says somehow mexico going to pay for it. now a softer stance on illegal immigran immigrants. let's ask cnn political commentator michael smerconish. great to have you here. first, let's deal with how to qualify this. the campaign is going to push back. oh, it's not a flip-flop. he hasn't really changed. it's about evolution. he's learning on the job. how do you see it? >> by definition, it is a flip-flop because he said at the outset, the very first sentence you just played, he said we're

going to be coming out soon with a decision. what's the decision if you're sticking to the policy that you've had throughout the course of the whole campaign? and chris, one other thing, because i've been watching you and poppy all morning long -- >> how we doing? >> you're doing terrific. looking great, by the way. but you're playing that audio of jeb bush and you're playing the audio of marco rubio. may i suggest you also throw president obama into the mix. because the first person that i thought of when i heard donald trump say, well, wait a minute, are we going to tear apart families, are we going to uproot someone who's been in the country 10 or 15 years with a pretty clean record. well, that's what the president argued with the executive order. >> as we have the control room scrambling to find that sound to play it for our viewers, let me ask you this. the question is, does it broaden his base enough to make any difference, especially among minority voters, or does he risk just alienating the hard liners, does he risk alienating, you

know, the core of his base who from day one liked what he was saying about sanctuary cities and undocumented immigrants. >> let me answer the second of those first. the answer is no way he alienates that hard core constituency because, poppy, in the end, there's only one thing that matters to those people, and it is that he's not her. the antipathy they hold for hillary clinton is such that wild horses couldn't keep them away from voting for donald trump on election day. now, to your first point, i don't think the intended audience are people of color. i think the intended audience are those who are largely republican, college educated. >> so to make them feel a little better? like maybe he's not racist like we thought perhaps he was. >> exactly. hey, at least he's making the pitch to the people of color, to minorities and so forth in the same way that he asked and courted african-americans for their vote last week. >> michael, does he take a step

forward, perhaps, but then two back by calling hillary clinton a bigot and not off the cuff? seemed like he was reading it off the prompter. >> well, there's always something in there, right. a little chum in the water for the sharks. he's got a good ear. when he worked that crowd, i think it was in austin, texas, last night. my god, like seven times he asked them what he should do. so he's always going to give a little something to the base to keep them energized while at the same time making the points we've been discussing. >> let's listen to it, for our viewers who may not have seen it. >> hillary clinton is a bigot. who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. she's going to do nothing for african-americans. she's going to do nothing for the hispanics.

she doesn't care what her policies have done to your communities. >> you see that woman over his right shoulder, and he says bigot and she goes -- >> like, did he go too far? >> and you know what's interesting about it? it's just one person, but sometimes a person can be a metaphor. the rest of what he says, she's numb to it. and that's the concern. when you go too far. when you say something so ugly that with these more sophisticated voters you're talking about, these gop college grads, whatever demographic you want to put them in, maybe he winds up hurting himself more than helping himself with the softening on immigration. >> bigot is a vicious word. if you're going to drop that kind of a bomb, you better be prepared to back it up. he's got nothing. you heard a guest earlier today that you asked to justify that. there was no answer there. i really think that's beyond the bounds. you can challenge whether african-americans as a whole have done better on a democratic watch, but to use that word, i think, is just beyond the pale. >> and quickly, michael, she

hits the trail again in nevada today. she's going to make a tough speech on donald trump. she's going to tie him to the alt-right movement. it seems like increasingly, and we'll see it today, that she is playing more by the trump playbook, if you will. is that smart? >> well, it wasn't smart for those that he ran against in primary season. when they stooped to his level, they came out with a lot of mud on their faces, and he ended up being the victor. so i think she's got to tread very, very carefully in that regard. >> good point. >> michael smerconish, appreciate the perspective as always. what do you think about what smerconish said? tweet us @newday, or post your comment on facebook.com/newday. all right. iraqi forces and the u.s. coalition gearing up to fight is a isis and reclaim mosul. we'll speak with the undersecretary of the army, patrick murphy, live next. gilma. go get it. ...coach gilman used his cash rewards credit card

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iraqi forces along with u.s. troops are preparing for a battle against isis to reclaim mosul. this is the second biggest city in iraq, and it matters on many different levels. now, troops have been inching toward the city for the past four months as humanitarian groups prepare for an influx of as many as 1.2 million refugees who will be displaced. let's discuss the concerns going forward with the undersecretary of the army, patrick murphy, an iraq war veteran and former congressman from pennsylvania. sir, pleasure to have you on. >> thank you for having me. >> how does it look on ground?

do you believe that there's progress? >> i do believe there's progress, chris. our troops are doing a fantastic job, but we have stood up over 13,000 iraqi forces, which is the most important part. now what you saw, breaking news where the turkey tanks are rolling into syria to take the fight to isis. so having other countries and most importantly the iraqi people stand up to punish isis is the greatest progress that we've seen to date. >> mosul. people hear about that city from time to time. we always tell them it's important. why? >> it's critically important. it's the second largest city in iraq behind only baghdad. it's just north of, as you know, of baghdad. i will tell you, what you're seeing is people -- and i saw your report about an hour ago when you interviewed the investigative journalist. you're seeing the iraqi people stand up to take the fight, part of that resistance, to send a message to isis they're no longer welcome there. and at the same time, having the resistance baattalion of iraqis.

a terrorist organization, as you know, chris, that has already captured 3,000 young women and girls to use them as sex slaves. now, i know there's people in america, there's some folks that say, you know, we don't want to be the policemen of the world. as a country, as a nation like the united states of america, to see that, we just can't look the other way, especially if there's no one else. there's other countries now like turkey walking the beat with america and the iraqi people. >> the u.s. army is a volunteer army. good men and women like yourself put thundershower liveir lives defend. it is not as common as it once was generationally. you have less than 1% of the population. how big a concern is this, and what are you doing to address recruitment? >> you know, we're opening up our ranks to everybody like we always have, including transgender, including women. i wouldn't have been a u.s. congressmen at the age of 33 if

it wasn't for the u.s. army or a professor at west point before that. i joined at 19. someone said to me, patrick, you're on a dean's list in college, captain of the collegiate hockey team. why would you join? you don't have to. a lot of millennials right now -- and we're in a talent management business. we bring in over 100,000 americans a year. we have 1 million soldiers, meaning active duty, national guard, and reserves. millennials want to be part of an organization bigger than themselves. our recruitment is good right now. they know the united states army, which is america's varsity team, does what's necessary, whether it's a governor of the state, the president of the united states, when they call 911, they're calling our army. it's for home games and away games. in louisiana, we lost 13 americans to the flooding there. we have over 1300 troops, louisiana national guard members, there on the ground helping people. that's what we do. and we have away games as the

well, like in iraq or in afghanistan, to make sure we keep our families safe at home and we don't look the other way when human atrocities are happening. >> there's a little bit of stink that came up from the army. there was some kind of slide in a presentation that had hillary clinton being seen as a recruiting tool for isis. i know it's been removed. what did you find out about that? >> we're looking into it. the bottom line is it was a political statement that someone put in there. we don't talk politics. we're an a-political organization. i served as a member of congress before, but i take an oath like every other soldier in our army to support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies and to not be political. it's something that was addressed that we won't see again. >> as somebody who's had their life protected by u.s. forces abroad, as you know, we're with the troops and we see the excellence of character. they often have politics foisted upon them, but they're very rarely political themselves. let me ask you asking. arwa damon is that investigative

journalist you were talk about. she beats a steady drum in these situations. you have to win the military fight, but the fight that follows is even more important. that is ignored here as a root cause of a problem we're dealing with, with isis. how big a deal is the aftermath? you take -- they take over mosul, but now what? humanitarian, the political struggle. how big is that? >> that's what you're seeing. that's why, you know, from my perspective, secretary of defense ash carter, secretary of state john kerry working side by side. it's about the economic and diplomatic power and force that we need to use. as far as our part in the army, that's why we're partnering to make sure that the mosul dam is up. our corps of engineers is partnering with an italian company to make sure that doesn't go in further decline. things like that make a huge

difference. diplomacy is just, if not more, important as military power. that's why we're working to bring other partners in that region to stand up with the iraqi people. that's why the news about turkey getting there to take fight to incredible progress we've seen within the last several hours. >> patrick murphy, thank you for the update and your service. >> thank you, chris. >> great to have you on "new day." >> thanks, guys. we're going to take you to south florida. as you heard, the zika virus is spreading there. now there are new concerning questions about what they're doing to fight it. is the pesticide used to stop it also extremely dangerous for babies. our senior medical correspondent, elizabeth cohen, investigates from miami, next. with probiotics that work in your gut. and antioxidants that work throughout your body. trubiotics from one a day.

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is in florida this morning. this is also the same pesticide that they refused to use in puerto rico, right. >> reporter: that's right. many public health experts were critical of that decision. zika has run rampant in puerto rico and the decision not to use it may be responsible for that. i'm here in the wynwood section of miami. it is a very active area, lots of tourists known for its great colorful street art, known for one of the zika zones in florida. and so they did aerial spraying that just ended last week. zika is spreading in south florida. and the stakes are high. when pregnant women become infected with the virus, the babies can be born with devastating birth defects. that's why health authorities have sprayed a pesticide from airplanes, to kill the mosquitos that carry zika, but there is

concern that the pesticide being sprayed may also be harmful to unborn babies. >> it is a neuro toxin and can result in unborn children in particular having neuro developmental problems. >> reporter: the european union has banned the insecticide. in puerto rico, people have demonstrated against it, the mayor of san juan filed a lawsuit to prevent spraying, saying there have been recent findings linking the behavior problems in babies whose mothers were exposed to this chemical during their pregnancy. the cdc and environmental protection agency says it is safe and the best option for killing the mosquitos. the cdc points out it has been used extensively for years in the united states. just two tablespoons are used over the size of a football field. the small amount does not pose a

health risk to people, according to the cd consider. so who is right. will it help stop babies from developing birth defects or harm them. dozens of studies have shown when pregnant women are exposed, their children are more likely to develop behavioral problems. the study was done in agriculture problems, where spraying was done for many years. the risks are much smaller in florida, where the zika cases have been done four time. >> zika is a problem for children who would not be able to cope with the real world. they have they'll never recover from it. >> naled will carry risk, but not nearly as big as zika. >> elizabeth, before i let you go, obviously spreading from

southern florida, how far north is zika spreading in the state and how widely is it spreading? >> reporter: poppy, we're talking about people catching zika in florida from mosquitos in florida. these folks did not travel. so first it was just in miami. then it was in pinellas county, palm beach county, and we're hearing that just in the past week. that's pretty quick. >> it is very quick. elizabeth cohen, thank you so much. we're following a lot of news this morning. is donald trump changing his position on mass deportations. a lot of head. let's get right to it. hillary clinton is a bigot. >> throwing out every immigrant in the country, he changes his position three times in one day. >> we work with them. everybody agrees, we get the bad ones out. >> donald trump, he is taking a hate movement mainstream. >> hillary clinton ran the state department like a failed leader

in a third world country. >> it felt like someone put a bulldozer over the house. >> a desperate search for survivors. >> we found two persons alive. >> the death toll rising, and time running short. syrian rebels have captured the last major isis held town between syria and turkey. >> they are losing key ground. >> this is not an enemy that anyone is going to be under estimating. >>announcer: this is "new day," with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. good morning, welcome to "new day." alisyn is off. poppy harlow with us this morning. we begin with donald trump shifting position on immigration. gone is the hard line stance for undocumented immigrants that they're all gone, that there will be an agency, a task force to find them. now, trump says that he would,

quote, work one documented immigrants, a softening of a position that is not being well met by his former gop rivals. we're going to talk with his campaign manager, kellyanne conway in a moment. hillary clinton making a lot of headlines this morning, responding to donald trump's seeming flip flop on immigration, and a new cnn exclusive interview. she also responded to questions about her e-mails, questions about the clinton foundation, and questions about donald trump calling her a bigot. we begin this morning in tampa, where we find sara murray. good morning, sarah. >> reporter: it looks like donald trump may be embracing this general election pivot. he has certainly been watering down language when it comes to his previously hard line immigration policies, all of this as he is trying to win over a larger share of minority voters. hillary clinton is watching this all play out, saying wait a second. she wants to stop donald trump to be able to pull it off and that's why she is devoting her day to painting trump as an extremist right wing candidate.

>> pay back taxes. they have to pay taxes. there is no amnesty. there is no amnesty. >> right. >> but we work with them. >> reporter: donald trump suggesting a major reversal on the hard line immigration proposal he has touted since the start of his campaign. >> everybody agrees, we get the bad ones out. when i go through and meet thousands and thousands of people on the subject and i've had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me and they've said mr. trump, i love you. but to take a person that's been here for 15 or 20 years, and throw them and the family out, it is so tough, mr. trump. i have it all the time. it is a hard thing. >> reporter: backtracking on his tough talk about a deportation force to roundup and deport 11 undocumented immigrants. >> i would get people out and i would have an expedited way of getting them back into the country, so they can be legal. they're illegal immigrants.

they got to go out. at some point, we're going to try to get them back, the good ones. >> reporter: now he appears to be deporting those with criminal records, while allowing other immigrants who pay back taxes to stay in the country. remarkably similar to what his opponents pushed during the primary. >> you pay taxes. you don't receive federal government assistance. you earn legal status. not citizenship. >> reporter: plans that trump criticized back when he was fighting to win the republican nomination. >> they're weak people. marco rubio is in favor of amnesty. >> reporter: trump's minority outreach, inspiring him to lob one of his sharpest attacks against his opponent. >> hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes. not as human beings worthy of a better future. >> reporter: as clinton turns

the line of tack on trump, with an interview with anderson cooper, she is set to delivered to. >> he is taking a hate movement mainstre mainstream. he has brought it into his campaign. you know, someone who questions the citizenship of the first african-american president, who has courted white supremecists, is someone who is, you know, very much pedaling bigotry and prejudice and paranoia. >> reporter: now, we'll hear from both donald trump and hillary clinton at their campaigns today, but to get a better sense of what exactly is changing with donald trump when it comes to immigration, whether it is truly a change in policy or just a change in tone, we have to look ahead to next week. that's when we're expecting him to drer eliver an address on mo.

hillary clinton also making headlines this morning, also in her interview with anderson cooper, responding to a whole lot more. this is her first national interview in about a month. she took on a number of topics, including the e-mail saga that has been dogging her campaign. >> according to "the new york times" report, you told fbi investigators that former secretary secretary of state advised you to use a personal e-mail account. his report was, quote, her people are trying to pin it on me and that the quote, the truth is, she was using for a year before i sent her a memo owe telling her what i did. he is talking about the private e-mail account. did you say that to fbi investigators, and is secretary powell? were you using the server prior to your conversation with him? >> well, look, i have the utmost respect for secretary powell, and he was incredibly gracious and helpful after i was nominated and before i took the job. i appreciated the time he took when i was preparing to become

secretary, and i valued his advice. i'm not going to re-litigate in public my private conversations with him. i've been asked many, many questions in the past year about e-mails, and what i've learned is that when i try to explain what happened, it can sound like i'm trying to excuse what i did. and there are no excuses. i want people to know that the decision to have a single e-mail account was mine. i take responsibility for it. i've apologized for it. i would certainly do differently if i could. but obviously i'm grateful the justice department concluded there was no basis to pursue this matter further, and i believe the public and is considering my full record, and experience as they consider their choice for president. >> donald trump is indicating he would allow some illegal immigrants to remain in the country. early on during the primaries,

as you know, he talked about 11 million undocumented immigrants have to get out. the good ones can come back in. he has told fox news he would work with people if they paid back toxaxes. what do you make what, appears to be a big shift, if this is in fact his policy moving forward? >> well, you know, my understanding is that the comment you just referred to was the third different position he took on immigration yesterday. somebody has told him, i guess the latest people that he is consulting, how damaging his statements have been. how terrible his deportation plan is. how offensive his views on immigrants has been. so he is trying to do, you know, kind of a shuffle here, but i think we need to look at the entire context. we need to believe him when he bullies and threatens to throw

out every immigrant in the country, and certainly when he changes his position three times in one day, it sends a message that it is just a desperate effort to try to land somewhere that isn't as, you know, devastating to his campaign, as his comments and his positions have been up until now. >> all right, that's hillary clinton. let's now hear from the other side of this campaign. donald trump's side. donald trump's campaign manager, kellyanne conway joins us. so let's start with you personally. you had to make a tough choice here. we see it sometimes in politics. not at this level, though. you were with ted cruz. you had to shift over and start working for donald trump. how much of a problem was it for you personally? because you had been tough on trump. you had called him out for a lot of things that his critics call him out for. now you're working for him. why was the shift okay in your opinion? >> i've known donald trump for a long time. i respect his business record.

i respect the fact that even before he promoted me to this position, he has been promoting and advancing women in the trump corporation for decades. people of color, people from very different countries across the world. both genders obviously. all walks of life. that's very compelling to me, because i like to assess people by what they do, not by what they say. particularly important in politics, when everybody has a lot to say, and they're never really held accountable. so i respect senator cruz and a lot of his leadership, and was happy to run one of the super pacs affiliated with him, but it was a good transition for me, because i'm supporting the republican nominee for president. i think hillary clinton's policies would not be good for this country. i'm respectful of what donald trump has built. usually politicians like hillary clinton, they erect campaigns. donald trump has built a movement. people feel they're part of that movement. you see people standing in the rain sometimes for three hours, just to say i was there when he was there. and i went to listen to him. i actually think people have way

too dismissive of what this has meant to the american people, in other words, those who want to attack donald trump should be studying his voters and what motivates them and as a pollster, i have course traffic in consumers and voters and what motivates them and animates them, and i like rudy giuliani, when he is out, he has never seen anything like it. >> that's true. we're living through a unique period in our politics. we ask everybody who winds up at the top of the trump campaign. when you were running against him, hey i would like to see his taxes, transparency, that's fine. let us see his taxes. do you think you can move him on his position. we get a blanket no. >> i confer with the lawyers and the accountants who have given him the advice to not release his taxes. i have to defer to that authority. i'm a full recovered attorney.

i'm not an tant accountant. i understand what their concerns are. i think the question voters have to ask themselves what, will my tax be under president trump, president clinton. he went out about ten days ago now and gave a speech on middle class tax reform. you can look at it. you can see what would be his investments in infrastructure. i think people can -- >> i get that, yeah, i don't know how strong a legal case is for why he doesn't have to put it up, but that's up to him and his attorney. he could put out his rate and what he gave. these flash points for people and still safe, do you think would he do that? >> i'm not sure. i would have to ask them. if he never says another word, literally, he will have said a million more things about a million more issues than hillary clinton, his opponent. i'm just amazed that somebody who has been in public life and political life for decades is so

thin with her record. is so -- is telling anderson cooper last night, well, people can look at my record. how, she doesn't do what he does. in the last week, this man has gone out and talked to communities of color about issue. he has talked about law enforce. how to defeat radical islamic terrorism, reforming the tax system and make everyday affordable for americans, who feel it is not so. he has talked about immigration. so these voters have what they deserve and they expect from him as a candidate, which is he is actually taking the case to the people. hillary clinton is going to give a speech today about him and his campaign. at least i'm proud that our campaign is talking to people about the issues they tell cnn and other pollsters they want discussed. >> let's talk about what the campaign is saying on immigration. i see the conway effect. there is a shift in his talk about immigration, no more round them all up, i'm going to put out an agency to find them, the way he was bashing ted cruz, bashing jeb bush and marco rubio for their positions, which sound a lot like what he was saying

last night. why is he changing his position, and what are you trying to achieve? >> donald trump is against amnesty and i'm against it. >> steve king, who we both know well, would call what he said last night amnesty. working one documented people in any way would be considered amnesty. that's what trump was saying all along. now he is saying something different. >> let me tell you what his plan is, because this helps the voters understand where donald trump is on immigration. it is this week what it has always been. no amnesty. no sanctuary cities so innocent victims like kate steinle who was murdered in front of her father, by a man who had been deported five times. hillary clinton is for sanctuary cities, she is for catch and release, open borders. she is to the left of president obama on the issue of immigration. the only way the voters will know that is if we tell them because she won't. she is hiding from that. no amnesty from him. no open borders.

secure the border, build the wall. no sanctuary cities. get the businesses to have e-verify. you can't look at somebody's document and look the other way. >> that's no different than what cruz, rubio did. >> no, it is different. rubio's plan is -- this man is not for amnesty. >> neither is rubio. >> well -- >> what they said is work with them. you can't deport everybody. you can't break up the families. donald trump said that last night. >> senator rubio is a different case. he led the gang of eight with chuck schumer and i think dick durbin. the gang of eight, their plan was amnesty. their plan was and is if, they had their way and i think it hurt him to try to work with these democrats who want open borders and it hurt him. what voters need to see is what donald trump is saying his immigration plan is. let me make clear, because senator sessions has been traveling with mr. trump, steven

miller, these are immigration experts. i've been here all week. i think they are trying to find a way to explain, well, for donald trump to articulate to americans a complex issue and how he feels about it. i assure you, nothing has changed in terms of the policies. i also think that we should all give him credit when it comes to 11 or 12 million, a, you enforce the laws. you wouldn't believe, chris, how much would change quickly if you actually enforce the laws that are not being enforced. number two, he wants to find a quote, these are his words, fair and humane way of dealing with them, and quote, he doesn't want to cause people harm. that's leadership. that's presidential. >> it's also new for him, which is why people are pointing out the contrast. something else, he came out of the box, i think reading off the teleprompter, and called hillary clinton a bigot. do you really believe hillary clinton is a bigot?

does donald trump believe that? why did you have him say it? >> first of all, he uses his own words, and have you seen what he has called, have you heard what he is called including here on cnn. we have become so innured. >> when people call him a bigot, i say why do you call him that? >> i've never heard a good answer yet. i've never heard a nonpartisan. >> they shouldn't call him that but that doesn't erase what he says. >> he said -- >> he called her a bigot. >> when it's okay to do is to show how repress sieve hive. >> make the policy. >> for a long time, he was criticized for not speaking to people of color. the moment he did it, i don't like the words you used. >> he is speaking about them, not to them. he hasn't gone there yet. >> he will. and when i leave here toweday,

we're having a meeting with african-american and hispanic leaders. was at the hispanic round table when mr. trump met with them here in new york. we had a very productive conversation. so much has been talked about with immigration, it was probably 15% of the coulden sayings. i was sitting right there, chris. they talked about access to capital for expansion. the hispanic leaders told mr. trump, reminded him how important home ownership is to the community and a low default rate hispanics have with those home loans. >> no question about it. >> it is part of the american dream. the multi generational families, many of them are religious, evangelical and catholic. so many of them come from countries where religious liberty was not appreciated and practiced and protect . >> why doesn't he talk about those. >> when she gives her speech today. call me later and let's tally up

and see what she calls him. what cnn qualifies as breaking news. clinton, quote, trump is a racist and pedals in hate. why in the world isn't taking the woman to tell us what she would do about obama -- >> does that make calling her the same thing okay? look, i get politics. you take the shots you can get away with. i'm saying i thought the shift on him was going to be he is going to talk about these things you're talking about that matter, he is going to bang policy because he is better at making things happen because of his business acumen and leave the hot talk to the side. that's why i'm asking, because he didn't. >> he has got -- listen, he gives several speeches in a week. rally, policies. than she has done in the entire campaign. if we're going to pick on one word and not the totality of what he is talking about and smoke her out, where in the world are your policies, your speeches, secretary clinton, on the next chapters of obama care, on taking these millions of people out of poverty?

are we blind, chris? do we not see our fellow americans in need. i have to give donald trump enormous credit in this way. republican presidential nominees have not. have not done enough to reach out to communities of color. have not done enough to go and literally hear from the people themselves, and we plan to do that. keep your eye on it. take our case right to the people. i see the new nbc poll where he is 8%. i'm glad it is above mitt romney's. but i want it to be 20%, 30%. >> that would be a game changer for the party. >> we need to earn those votes. earning their trust and lending an ear. hearing their kerneconcerns. i have to tell you as an american, i don't like the failing, crumbling schools in some of our communities. i don't like the fact that we have millions more in poverty. we cannot abide that americans

don't have health care, even after obama care. where are you on these issues. we're taking our case to the voters, and she is going to talk about a website today. she is going to talk about donald trump. i'm glad we're back in her head. that was goal number one. her spokesman, brian fallon said if you don't like her, don't vote for her. wow, he just basically told the majority of americans that say they don't like her and they don't trust her that they don't have to vote for her. he did my job by 8:00 this morning. i think they're flip-flopping a little bit. sort of figuring out and made a huge mistake two, three weeks ago, when our campaign was not doing as well as it is now, they made a huge mistake by not giving policy speeches, not visiting the troops abroad and she could have put him away and failed to do it. >> kellyanne conway, great to have you on "new day," as always. >> thank you, chris and kellyanne. you just heard from donald trump's campaign manager on his immigration stance, hillary clinton, and a whole lot more. she said she could have put him

away a few weeks ago. why didn't she. we'll discuss it, debate it with our panel, next.

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gear up for great. all right, welcome back to "new day." we just heard chris's interview with kellyanne conway, talking about a lot of things. she talked about a double standard for clinton versus trump. she talked about his shift on immigration. a lot to get through. let's discuss it with political commentator and trump supporter, john phillips, and also former

executive director of the congressional black caucus, angela rye, and political commentator and republican strategist, ana navarro. let me begin with you, ana, on immigration. if you are jeb bush, if you are marco rubio this morning and sitting at home and watching what trump said about immigration and working with them and clearly a flip-flop in changing his stance, twofold question to you. was this his plan all along, knowing the path to 70 million plus votes in a general is much more difficult than a primary, and does it help win back folks like you, saying all right, i've learned some things, and we're going to soften up this stance? >> well, listen, i hope jeb bush is at the gym and i hope marco rubio is campaigning. he has a primary race in less than a week in florida. i think, let me start with your last question. does it help win over people

like me. first of all, let me just say, i don't speak for all hispanics. i don't speak for all republicans. i speak for myself and a lot of hispanics feel the same way i do. >> just to be clear, ana, what i meant, and i should have been more clear, does it help win over people in the republican party who were -- who have not been on the trump train? >> here's what i think is happening. here is what -- first of all, i heard kellyanne conway today. she is such a class act. she is the first person running that campaign who actually seems normal. she knows what she is doing. she is the first one that i would leave my puppy with and think and hope it would still be alive when i came back. i think that kellyanne realized that when you were having focus groups, and remember, her background is a pollster, a very good one, when you were having focus groups, they were saying donald trump is a racist. that's a full stop when it came to donald trump. a lot of people may not like

hillary clinton. a lot of people may not like donald trump. but when you have the word racist in there, it becomes a full stop where you don't have anybody else. so at this point, kellyanne has got to shift that imagine, that perception of donald trump as a racist, because it just paralyzes anything else. any other progress that donald trump can make with people that may be on the fence that may not like either of them and have to make a choice between the two of them. >> so angela, you just heard and the viewers heard chris press her on the trump's use of the word bigot. she said there is a total double standard, have you heard what hillary clinton says about donald trump. she even talked about the media, have you heard what the media says about donald trump. she says there is a total double standard here and you should not be focusing on one word. you should look at the totality of his remarks, and his actions. any weight that you give that, angela? >> no, actually not at all. i think that the media, i think

hillary clinton, i think clinton supporters, i think bernie supporters, i think people independents and those who haven't decided whether they'll engage in this election at all yet by voting have it right when they say that donald trump is a bigot. he very well could be racist. and if he is not a racist, he plays with -- he plays with fire. meaning he is going -- he is -- he is -- he is literally attacking -- tacking on to his campaign, principles and dog whistles that racists love to hear. the fact he was on with jake tapper and acted like he didn't know who david duke was, he doesn't know about those other groups. >> he later said he couldn't hear and he disavows. >> i'm just saying. i was getting there. i just hadn't finished my thoughts. the only thing i was going to say is while he said later, i rebuke him, he didn't actually say disavow, he said i rebuke him, he still struggled with it. for those of us who have painful

memories, whether we heard about it in history books, or first hand experience with racism, with death threats from white nationalists, it is troubling. at the very least, kellyanne could acknowledge and his supporters can acknowledge his playing with this fire is troubling. that is what makes donald trump a bigot. >> so john, as a trump supporter, you heard what angela said. it is troubling, here is why she thinks he is that. your response as a trump supporter? >> look, donald trump gets called a bigot every single tuesday by hillary clinton and her supporters. so using this kind of language is something that is not unique to this campaign. it has been going on for quite some time. the temperature in the room is very high. i want to get back to the immigration thing here for a second and touch on what ana said. today was supposed to be the day that hillary clinton gave this speech where she attacks him essentially for being a john

bercher in nevada. by evolving on immigration, however you want to call it, that kind of muddies the water in what is going on. i know a lot of john berchers, they're not ideologically flopable. you can't call him that in the same day. they're mutually exclusive. >> let's listen to what kellyanne side. >> i think they made a huge mistake two, three weeks ago when our campaign wasn't doing as well, they made a huge mistake by not giving this policy speeches, by not visiting the troops abroad. she could have put him away and failed to do it. >> do you agree, ana, that she could have put him away when the campaign wasn't going so well a few weeks ago? >> you know, i don't think anybody can put anybody away at this point. look, 2016 is the year of the crazy, the year of the unpredictable, where things can change on a dime. we have seen that. both of these people, both of

these candidates have got to run until the very end. there is no such thing as putting somebody away, one of these candidates away in august. it is just, it would be an irresponsible way to run a campaign. i do think that something kellyanne said really rang true to me when she said that he has been traveling with immigration experts and trying to figure out how to articulate this policy. it is incredible to me. it is absolutely flabbergasting to me that a guy who has based so much of his campaign on attacking immigrants, on attacking hispanics, on the immigration issue, it has been a pillar, the build the wall thing has been a pillar since day one and 75 days out, he is still trying to figure out the policy. i mean, that is just, you know, mind-blowing. i do think what he is trying to do is figure out how to articulate it in a way so he doesn't antagonize that he won with the build the wall chant but try to persuade folks who

may still be persuadable and not a very big universe, that he is not a racist who wants to round everybody up and deport them. >> important debate. i wish we had more time. thank you all, john, ana, and angela. thank you. we have to keep our eye on what's going on in italy. the powerful earthquake, just rocked communities there. take a look at your screen right now. do you know how difficult it is going to be to repair, just to get access and who knows what will be found in all that rubble. we have a new look for you of the situation in real time, when "new day" returns.

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letter that was put out by trump's gastro enterologist last year, and one doctor writes what she finds most concern being this letter, that doctor is dr. jennifer gunter, an ob/gyn.

what don't you like about the letter? >> i guess everything. >> is it a style point. i talked about this with sanjay yesterday, and it has grammatic errors that doesn't seem like what you would usually see, but what's in there that should really bother a voter? >> well, it's hard to believe that -- for me to believe a doctor would write something like that. i mean, the language is really important when doctors write letters, we try to be accurate. we really stick to objective findings. we don't say things like astonishingly excellent or make those kinds of statements. so apart from grammar aside, when we write a letter, we stick to salient facts. it is missing that. there also isn't any health information in it. i mean, we don't know why. >> let's put some of the stuff in there. >> okay. >> so people can get a feel for it. put it up on the screen, and i'll read it, please, if you would. >> okay.

>> not you, doc. his blood pressure is 110/65. his cardiovascular status is excellent. no history of ever using alcohol or at thtobacco. what do you got? >> all right, so, well, his blood pressure is fine. you know, i think that being able to unequivocally state that somebody would be the healthiest individual is not a factual statement. you would have had to examine every other president to be able to say that. so that's incorrect. lab results aren't reported as being astonishingly excellent. we give pos it i haitives or ne. he says mr. trump's results are positive, which of course would be a bad thing. when i tell someone they have

gonorrhea, when they have a positive test for gonorrhea, that's not excellent. >> nope, i would guess they would not be, doc. so is what bothers you just the style of this ultimately, or you know, is it the substance? again, from the voters' perspective, i get why doctors don't like how the letter is written, it doesn't meet the professional standards that some of you subscribe to. but who cares at the end of the day when you're voter. the guy says he is healthy. nothing in there that says he isn't. why should they care? >> first of all, it's far less information than hillary clinton has released in her letters, so i think if we're going to compare candidates, we should have parody and the same information to compare. we don't know why donald trump lost 15 pounds. he says he likes to eat kfc a lot, so that's a concern. >> wouldn't it be great if eating kfc made you lose 15 pounds. the best part of this letter. i know that's not true. >> so, but you know, so that's

really important. you can't put a piece of medical information out there and not follow it up. then there is the issues about, you know, there is some issues about his signature was, basically how he described which division or a section he was in, which the doctor isn't. so when you -- >> doc, are you hinting that maybe the doctor didn't write this, or one of those people? in the camp that maybe trump wrote his own letter? >> no, i'm not in any camp. i'm pointing out a lot of inaccuracies. i think the doctor should explain why he wrote it that way. because i think that way, i mean, if that's his letter, and that's how he writes, what's the big deal about saying this is me and gosh, i made a mistake, saying which section that doesn't exist at lennox hospital that i thought i was in. so i think there is a lot of inconsistencies, and when you have document that is this important, it should be accurate. i want my health information to be accurate. i want the information i write about someone else to be accurate. i guess we all wonder if this is

inaccurate, what else is too? >> obviously there is no requirement for a presidential candidate to put forth health information, it is more of a tradition, but raises an interesting question. i wonder if we could have a more objective standard. they're not old, but not that young either. thank you, doctor, for your take on this. happy to have you on"new day." >> thanks so much. >> pop. coming up, "saturday night live", the target of online hate. her personal website filled with racist images. why did hackers take aim at her? we dig deeper, next. get back to great. sixteen gig lexar flash drives just three ninety-nine. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great.

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"saturday night live" and "ghost buster" star, leslie jones, coming after she dealt with hate-filled twitter comments last month. with me now to discuss it entertainment host, and my very good friend, michelle turner, looking bright and beautiful this early morning. thank you for being with me. >> hello. of course. >> this is disgusting, and every time we see it happen to our friends, to our family members, hollywood stars, it is disgusting. this level of hate brings it to a new level. >> it does. it feels like there has been this calculated take down of

leslie jones, for no other reason than she starred if a movie that people were upset she was cast in, which is "ghost be busters." we saw this love for leslie jones, the website had been hacked. it is a violation, definitely. the website is down now, poppy, and you know, we haven't heard from leslie jones. we reached out to her numerous times to get a comment. nbc isn't saying anything. she isn't saying anything right now. the last time we saw this, she did say she was taking a social media break when we saw people coming after her, after the ghost busters thing. then she came back and said you can't keep me down, but said she was heartbroken by it. i can only imagine how she feels now. what surprisesny in 2016 in this day and anyone, we're still going after people based on their color, race, just because. i think that one of the most troubling things for me is the picture that they put up of

hiramba, the gorilla that was killed, as a woman, as a black woman, it breaks my heart. >> it is hearbreaking, it is disgusting, unforgiveable. and the only positive thing we're seeing is the reaction. the i stand with leslie hashtag, right. >> yes. >> you're seeing that from huge superstars. katy perry, you name it, coming out and backing her on this. >> there is really no other side to this, right. >> of course. >> you know, exactly. we have seen a lot of hollywood stepping up and stepping out and saying you guys, you know what, at the end of the day, it is just not okay in any way, shape or form. we also saw lots of celebrities that came out and said you know what, also the release of the nude photos was something that was very troubling. i know aliyssa milano, they were putting out smiles of her, let's release these photos. these are the photos we should

be looking at. there is an investigation into that as well, because of the photos that were released. >> i was going to ask you about the investigation. it just seems like do you get the sense that authorities are taking this attack, you know, extremely seriously? because what they've done to her is unbelievable, and i think until there are serious repercussions for who carries it out, it will continue to happen. >> i believe so, because not only did they do that, hacked the website, released nude photos, they released her personal information, passport photos, driver's license. when we checked yesterday afternoon with the nypd and also with the lapd, there had not been any criminal complaints filed as of yet, but i do think this is going to a higher level just because of the vitriolic take down. i feel for her. leslie jones is a 48-year-old

woman who mass behas been in th for a long time. she is a funny comedian. she was really enjoying well-deserved success. we saw her so happy at the olympics, draped in the american flag, and now this. for what? because she was in ghost busters and people didn't like a black woman there. >> unbelievable. before i let you go, because you know all things entertainment, and if anyone knows this, it is you. usa today reporting ryan lochte after losing the sponsors, et cetera, the lie in rio, now inking a deal potentially with ""dancing with the stars."" is this the next phase for him? >> it would not surprise me. i think ryan lochte does love the limelight. i know that the folks over at dancing with the stars, the word we've heard so far, they've been having a little trouble casting this year. they do want to make a big splash. no pun intended or maybe pun intended. and we know that ryan lochte

would like to do "dancing with the stars." i think there is a little bit of, i don't know, because of the situation that he was just in, and seemingly told a lot of untruths or lies about, you know, the issue in rio. so i'm not sure if abc wants to take on that. but it would be water cooler talk. >> we know he has had his own reality series, et cetera. michelle, nice to see you. the good stuff, next.

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they thanked him for his service and gave him a plaque made from the battleship. he told his grandson, one of the best days of his life. >> look at that smile. the good stuff, important. >> so much, so much. favorite part of the show. >> good to be with you, my friend. i'm going on vacation. you show up at work. i' i'll see you in a week, erica in for carol costello. >> enjoy your well deserved time off. chris, i'll be here tomorrow, too. don't worry. "newsroom" starts now. good morning, everyone. i'm erica hill, in for carol costello. thanks for being with us this hour. hillary clinton and donald trump. the battle for the minority vote, trading barbs over who is a bigot. a in you attack from the stage, telling supporters that clinton takes minority