at a rally in arizona to deliver a major speech on immigration and on monday hear personal stories about both the presidential candidates from those who know them best. that's labor day right here on cnn starting at 8:00 p.m. thank you very much for joining us. "a.c. 360" starts right now. good evening. john berman here in for anderson. we are waiting for donald trump. he speaks shortly tonight on immigration in phoenix. you are looking at live pictures right now. he will take that stage in just a short while fresh from the surprise visit to mexico. boy, have we got breaking news on that. moments after meeting with mexican president enrique pena nieto, donald trump announced loud and clear with millions of people watching that when it comes to who pays for a wall between the two countries and this is the central tenet of his campaign the two men did not discuss it. now that was a surprise. moments ago from surprise to shock. president pena says that it's

simply not true. already, the clinton campaign which had problems of his own today with new polling is pouncing on this and the big story is only getting bigger. so let's start with the breaking news, cnn's jim acosta is in mexico city and jim, we have a case of he said/he said over whether they discussed who is paying for the wall. >> reporter: that's right. that's right, john. either this is a lost in translation moment or donald trump was not telling the truth in terms of what was going on behind closed doors between himself and enrique pena nieto. it is, as you said, this is a signature campaign pledge for donald trump. he is going to build a wall on the u.s.-mexico border and mexico is going to pay for it. donald trump during a news conference with reporters earlier this afternoon with the mexican president said that they did discuss his proposal for building that wall along the u.s. southern border, but he says they did not talk about who is going to pay for it and here is a bit of that sound to show you what he had to say.

>> we didn't discuss that. we didn't discuss who pays for the wall? we didn't discuss. we did discuss the wall. we didn't discuss payment of the wall. that will be for a later date. this was a very preliminary meeting. i think it was an excellent meeting. >> reporter: now pena nieto tweeted as you mentioned just a few moments ago, john, this was hours after his exchange with donald trump here at the presidential palace in mexico city that, in fact, they did talk about this behind closed doors and he maintains he told donald trump that under no circumstances will mexico pay for that wall. we can put that tweet up on screen and we are just showing you the translated english here. at the beginning of the conversation with donald trump i made clear that mexico will not pay for the wall. john, it doesn't get any more clearer than that when it comes to what pena nieto is saying and one thing that i think was striking and it was a stunning day being here in mexico city and seeing donald trump coming

to the heart of the capital of the country he has insulted time and again is that during that moment when donald trump said we did not talk about who would pay for the wall, pena nieto did not correct him during the news conference. >> the trump campaign has a new statement sort of clarifying this maybe a little tonight? >> reporter: sort of. it's a little bit cloudy in terms of what the campaign is saying about this. spokesman jason miller made this statement within the last hour, quote, it was not a negotiation and that would have been inappropriate and it is unsurprising that they hold two different views on this issue and we look forward to continuing the conversation and not getting into the he said/he said who said what, but saying they will continue to have this conversation, but john, donald trump, his brand is telling it like it is. at this point we just don't know what it was that they talked about behind closed doors. >> different views on the issue doesn't explain why they have different explanations about what exactly was discussed. jim acosta, thanks so much.

now to the speech tonight and it is a big speech that comes after several weeks of mixed signals and strenuous denials from the trump campaign that anything is changing opinion however, last night on this program donald trump jr. did tell anderson it is a question of priorities when it comes to deporting the estimated 11 million people who are in this country illegally. they all still have to go, he said, but in his words, baby steps first. though we should note that baby steps would be a big step away from past rhetoric. so what will we hear tonight? cnn's sara murray joins us now from phoenix. sara, what can we expect to hear from donald trump? i suppose can we expect to hear further explanation about what was said or not said in mexico? >> reporter: that will certainly be the wild card, john, if he addresses that here tonight, but as you were talking about priorities, i think we'll hear donald trump come out tonight and talk about how border security is one of the first priorities here because he has to stop inflows of illegal immigration and we'll hear him

talk about when you talk about the undocumented immigrants in the u.s., the ones you need to get rid of are the ones convicted of crimes and you will address the 11 million undocumented immigrants broadly and the question is how specific does he get in terms of his policies for how to deal with them? does he talk about enforcing current law or do we hear him gloss over this issue altogether? we are expecting him to hammer the border security issue very hard and of course, john, that includes building the wall. >> all right. any notion if we will emerge from tonight with specifics, sara? >> reporter: we are expecting specifics. i was actually talking to advisers earlier today and ironically, one of the issues that we are expecting specifics on is the wall. exactly how long it's going to be could potentially be included in this speech and also how to pay for it and we're not talking about contributions by donald trump and we are talking about potentially defunding the sanctuary cities and stripping

the benefits that undocumented immigrants get and all of that could go towards paying for this wall on the border with mexico, and john, those are contributions that would come from the u.s. budget not contributions that would come from mexico. when i talked to a policy adviser broadly about what donald trump wants to accomplish, this person said he wants to get into specifics into things that are rooted in research and in fact, it would aren't be as theoretical and dogmatic as what we heard from trump in the primaries. >> sara murray for us on the ground in phoenix and you can hear the crowd getting ready for this big speech. we should note donald trump's plane is on the ground in phoenix. in this case it's not his signature 757 though we have yet to see donald trump emerge from that plane just yet. again, we will bring you that speech live as it happens. now as for hillary clinton, she had few kind words for donald trump, as she put it dropping in on mexico. she also had some bubbling issues of her own here at home,

namely new softening in the polls and jeff zeleny is on the campaign trail in cincinnati. secretary clinton held her first public event of the week. you were there. what did she have to say about donald trump's trip to mexico? >> hillary clinton addressed a conference of legions and a lot of military veterans in that crowd. she talked about leadership overall and she did mock and to some degree deride this trip to mexico. she said it takes far more than simply flying in to make up for a year's worth of insults and insinuations, and then her campaign chairman john podesta had even stronger words to say. a short time ago he released a statement saying in part this, he said at the first opportunity to make good on his offensive campaign promises, trump choked. what we saw today from a man who claims is the ultimate dealmaker is that he doesn't have the courage to advocate for his

campaign promises when he's not in front of a friendly crowd. once it became clear that that may, in fact may have come up in the meetings and that donald trump may not have been telling the truth about that, john podesta updated his statement saying he not only choked. it seems like he got beaten in the room and then he lied about it, john. >> fun with campaign statements. jeff zeleny. also today there were some not so favorable numbers for secretary clinton specifically when it comes to her favorability. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: those favorability number, john, for all of the times she's been in public life, a quarter century worth, "the washington post and abc news poll found 59% of americans have an unfavorable impression of her. it's clear that the drip, drip, drip of the campaign

controversies from e-mails to the clinton foundation taking a toll on her. this race seems closer than it has before. she is just two points above donald trump and gary johnson 10%. when she's taken out she's six points a head of john. i can tell you that campaign officials know it is tightening and they know it is a tough race ahead and when labor day begin, that's why they're campaigning aggressively. >> some of that convention bounce has faded. jeff zeleny, thank you so much. >> a lot more ahead as we get ready to hear from donald trump. he has landed there and we are expecting to hear from his running mate mike pence, as well. when we come back the political impact the trip could have on his core voters and those still on the fence or in this case, the wall, whoever is paying for it.

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we are waiting to hear from donald trump tonight in phoenix. the plane he took from mexico city is now on the ground there. in this case this is an unmarked 737, and not the big 757 with the big "t" on the tail that he normally flies. he will come fresh from a now disputed visit with pena ni oat

and moments ago, a twitter smackdown. he said the subject of who pays for the wall did come up and president pena told him up front that it will not be mexico. so let's talk about this with cnn senior political commentator and former obama political guru david axelrod and cnn chief political analyst gloria borger and kirsten powers. gloria borger, has the nature of the whole changed 60 minutes ago or so, because people were talking about donald trump's tone side by side with the mexican president, perhaps more subdued than you might expect. was this the type of trip he needed to show he could handle before the trip and now the discussion is who's lying? >> it's not exactly the narrative that the trump campaign wanted. earlier in the day when they went over there they were very happy with the way this went. they went there to prove, in a way that donald trump could be a commander in chief, that he

could be a diplomat. that he could be a statesman and when he left the stage they felt mission accomplished. by the time they arrived back here in this country the, you know, a new crisis ensued for them. i'm not sure it's a crisis, but -- but this controversy ensued in which suddenly we're saying who lied? who is telling the truth? what actually happened behind closed doors? and you know, trump's pension normally as we see during the campaign is punch back, punch back when attacked. the president of mexico attacked him and he said we didn't discuss this and he didn't interrupt trump and he released an obtuse statement and this wasn't a negotiating session, et cetera, et cetera and they have to pull back because under normal circumstances, trump

would say that's not what happened, that didn't happen, but he can't, can he? >> it's a tough position to be in and we don't know if he will bring this up when he takes the stage in phoenix. >> the question is did he bring it up or didn't he bring it up? if he didn't bring it up, that's interesting in and of itself because listen to what donald trump has said in the past about paying for the wall. >> who's going to pay for the wall? who? [ crowd shouting "mexico" ] >> 100%. 100%. so i get a call from one of the reporters yesterday and they said the president of mexico said they will not, under any circumstances, pay for the wall. they said to me, what is your comment? i said the wall just got ten feet higher. it's true. it's true. >> the ten feet higher claim had to do with a former president, but you get the point there and donald trump said mexico will

pay for the wall every chance he gets. today his claim was it didn't come up. he can't really back off that issue now, can he? >> well, i don't think so. that's been his go-to position even through this week in which he's been sort of experimenting with a softening of his immigration position. his go-to call and response for the crowds was we're going to build a wall and who's going to pay for it because it would be almost unthinkable at this point to back off of that, but you know, what happened, john you had two politicians who are in some trouble taking risks today. donald trump went down there and gambled that he could pull this off without the president of mexico smacking him down in public. the president of mexico thought that if he stood up to donald trump that he could score points on there because his approval rating is in the 20s in his own country. they had the press conference as gloria pointed out.

president pena never challenged donald trump on whether or not this had come up and he was getting killed in the mexican press. there was a huge backlash to trump's visit and his handling of that press conference and now he's come forward with this -- with this tweet, and i presume and i am told that he had witnesses in the room for just this sort of occurrence. so it will be interesting to see how this unfolds in the next hours. because until that point i thought donald trump had done very well today. he did create what looked like a presidential setting and for him, the greatest test now is no particular issue and persuading a bunch of very, very skeptical voters that he is equipped to be the commander in chief and president, but this could unravel a lot of the good that he had done for himself. >> kirsten, what about that? earlier today i heard you talking and you said you thought

donald trump did a decent job of standing up there at the podium side by side with another world leader, but now that we have, you know, we did talk about it gate, as it were, does that change the entire perception of this? >> it does, and the reason i thought that he did so well is because considering the things that he has said about mexicans, to be able to stand with the president of mexico who is now treating you respectfully and essentially saying he could work with him, it undercuts an argument about donald trump that democrats are making, of course, that he's not going to be able to work with world leaders and that he's too unpredictable and too unhinged and says the horrible thicks. what we saw is he was able to seemingly work with the president of mexico. i actually don't think, and i said this earlier, that he had to bring up anything about them paying for the wall in the first meeting. that's not usually how you start negotiations is going for the jugular the thing that you know you're going to disagree about.

however, if it was discussed you need to disclose that and for him to say that it wasn't discussed when it was discussed is extremely problematic. >> if i were -- excuse me, an ardent supporter of donald trump, i would say why didn't you bring up who pays for the wall? if i was one of those republicans who had voted for him in the primaries i would say why didn't you tell the president of mexico that they'll pay for the wall. don't you think that those voters could be alienated by him not doing that? >> the thing is and this gets to tonight with david axelrod, and wooe looki we're looking at this playing live. >> gloria brings up donald trump supporters and i see no evidence that he is at risk of losing any of them no matter when he does at this point, no matter what statements he makes about immigration and almost anything else so who is this immigration speech he's giving tonight, who is it for? is it for those core voters or is it for those undecided, maybe

perhaps reachable voters out there if there are any? >> well, a few things, john. first of all, he did court some potential defections last week when he started talking about a path to legalization and he got smacked down by anne koucoulterd rush limbaugh. it went badly so he quickly beat a retreat on that and went back to the lab and started working on this with his team again and we'll see what they came up with, but donald trump is walking a tightrope and there is a moat full off alligators belo and it's a very tough issue for him to navigate because on the one hand, yes, his base is very rabid on this issue and i think some would leave if he felt he had betrayed them on this issue, but his base, even if they stay is not large enough to win the presidency. he needs to expand this space,

and even if he can't get hispanic voters to respond to him on this issue. he has to persuade these college-educated white voters and the suburban women in particular who have walked away from him on the issue of both intolerance and fear that he would be incapable of handling in a responsible way the duties of the presidency and he has to get the voters back and he has to recast his immigration plans in tones that seem more tolerant and reasonable, but he won't go so far as to lose these base supporters. it's a very tricky path for him. >> it is very tracky threading a political needle and how does he explain what was said or not said as he met with the mexican leader today. we have so much more to discuss, guys. do not go anywhere. we are waiting for donald trump to step off this plane that you're looking at right now and

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tarmac in phoenix. we are waiting for them to step into their motorcade right now. donald trump's immigration speech tonight and his meeting with mexico's president today caps off more than a year of discussions, some say rhetoric about immigration and the message from him and his surrogates has been less than clear from everyone who has to go to a supposed softening to a deportation force. we'll do a quick fact check before tonight's speech. tom foreman joins me with that. donald trump is promising to get very tough on people who are here illegally, how exactly would that work? >> well, it's not clear when this deportation force would go to work, but he has said immediately, he will go after what he calls the bad ones. listen. >>. >> we are going to get rid of the criminals and it's going to happen within one hour after i take office we start. >> so what's wrong with that? >> well, it's already started. last year the feds kicked off this program called the priority

enforcement program which focuses on going after people who are here illegally, who have committed felonies and serious misdemeanors. that's estimated at about 690,000 people out of about 11 million people in the country illegally. it would significantly cut down on the number of people here illevelly and those numbers say otherwise. just getting these people has already proven to be difficult. trump has not explained what will be so different about his approach in tracking these people down, catching them, getting rid of them. absent those details we can say it's true, it could be true that he will take immediate action, but it's misleading to suggest that that would somehow magically produce results we could all see in short order. john? >> donald trump has criticized hillary clinton's plans for how she would deal with immigration. what can you tell us about that? >> let's start by listening to what he said about her. >> hillary clinton's legislative

plan, remember this, is to give illegal immigrants access to obamacare, social security, medicare and u.s. welfare. her plan will functionally end enforcement of visa overstay rules. she will also close down detention centers for border crossings, meaning she would have an open southern border that will bring nothing, but crime and destruction. >> that's a big laundry list. let's break it down one at a time. >> clinton supports access to obamacare, medicare and care for people here in the country illegally. she says these families should be able to buy their way into obamacare. she has also suggested these other things could come along, too, as part offa i broader package toward people becoming permanent residents of the united states or citizens. to suggest that is all of the same thing, that's not true.

the second part is false. the second part of that statement here, let's consider what he said. clinton's plan will end overstay rules. so you could argue that does end some enforcement of visa overstay rules. so that statement is true, and what about the last part here? does she really want to close down detention centers for border crossings? well, on the southern border, detention centers are largely, if not wholly run by private companies and yes, clinton has said she doesn't want private companies running these anymore, but homeland security is already looking at how to replace them once again with government-operated facilities. so it is true to say she wants to shut them down, but it is misleading to suggest that nothing would go in their place. tom foreman with reality check. thank you so much.

joining us now is bakari sellers for hillary clinton and gloria borger and corey lewandowski, republican strategist ana navarro and donald trump supporter jeffrey lord. corey, i am glad you're here because there seems to be a dispute right now. donald trump earlier today said when he met with the mexican president enrique pena nieto they did not discuss who would pay for the wall on the u.s.-mexico border that donald trump says he will build. since donald trump said that the mexican president said oh, yeah, i said mexico's not going to pay for it. so i'm asking you because we know though you left the trump campaign you are still in contact with them and the candidate himself. any explanation about this discrepancy? >> look, i think what we'll see here in 45 minutes is donald trump will talk very specifically about his plans for illegal immigration and that's going to include how to pay for that wall and it will include what that means for the people of mexico. without getting out in front of what donald trump would say

we'll let him speak. >> i'm not talking about what he is going to say. i'm asking about what he said. he said he didn't discuss it with the mexican president and the mexican president said he did. >> i wasn't in mexico, obviously, i was here with you and i don't know what took place during that private conversation and i don't think many people were there, to be fair. what i think was very clear is that donald trump was steadfast in his resolve that countries have the ability to build a wall, a real wall and it was very clear with that on stage today. >> if he didn't bring up who would pay for it or if he didn't dispute the mexican leader's claim that mexico wouldn't pay for it. >> donald trump left mexico two and a half hours ago, he flew on an airplane for two and a half hours and he's still on the tarmac on the plane and we haven't heard from him or the campaign yet and let's give the campaign the opportunity to respond is the fair thing to do before we question what donald trump has said and we've seen one tweet from the mexican president that said there wasn't a discussion and let's give him the chance to respond.

>> the campaign did put out a statement which did not dispute exactly what the mexican president said. what the statement said is it is understandable how they would have differing opinions on the issue. let me read that if i can put that up on the screen. it was not a negotiation and that would have been inappropriate. it is unsurprising that they hold two different views on this issue when we look forward to continuing the conversation. two different views on this issue is sort of a nondenial denial. it's not that they hold two different views on what was discussed, it's just they hold two different views on who would pay for the wall. >> mexico is going to pay for the wall whether that means through the reduction of foreign aid from united states to mexico or through other means which the government currently has available to them. if he is president of the united states and wants to reduce the aid to mexico and that's a prerogative that congress has and the president has to do

that. >> that is very much the issue and not the issue whether they did discuss it or not. ana, does any of that matter? >> no. you know darn well that it is not easy for me to give a point to donald trump, but i give it to him tonight because frankly the only thing he has to say is hey, i was standing on a podium five feet away from the guy. i said that we had not discussed this. he was standing there. he's not hearing impaired. he speaks good english and yet he did not rebutt me when he had the chance. i think what happened frankly is in the last three hours since we saw that press conference pane nieto has been pilloried. he has been taken to task and has been hit upon like a pinata by two former presidents of mexico, by jorge ramos who is a leading journalist, not only here, but also in mexico a very respected voice who asked how could he not have asked for an apology? how could he not have said

mexico is not going to pay for the wall and nieto was trying to save face. he had a chance. >> was he lying? >> neither you nor i nor anyone on this panel would know if he was lying or not. we saw's head of state standing next to a candidate. the candidate said one thing and the head of state standing five feet from him did not rebutt him, did not refute him and did not get into a fight with him and did not say one word, stood there silently nodding his head and smiling. you what? you had your chance. you didn't use it. you're done. >> look, i think they were both in an awkward situation as david axelrod said earlier, these are -- donald trump wants to become president and the president of mexico wants to stay there, right? and he's in some political trouble. so could he interrupt donald trump if he thought he was lying? >> yes, it's his podium. it's his press conference. >> yes. >> he's got 23% approval rating.

really? i think he got himself into such a pickle. i actually think he issued this invitation not expecting that donald trump would accept. donald trump outplayed him, outsmarted him. >> he was trying to be president. >> so i think he didn't expect donald trump to come. i he got himself in a pickle. it was a bad situation, and he didn't know what to do. whether he heard him or not and what occurred behind closed doors, we don't know, but we have to hear donald trump on it tonight. i'm presuming, corey, he's going to say something about it. >> look, i think his speech tonight will be very clear and detailed and he'll outline some of the issues he talked about in mexico today and he'll talk about the payment for this wall and that's very important. >> let me tell you this, i have a lot of mexican friends and a lot of latino friends and none of us are changing our minds on donald trump because of what happened today, but today there are more people who feel scorned against pena nieto among the latino community and that is a very high bar. >> he is not on the ballot here.

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donald trump is now off the plane in phoenix. you are looking at live pictures of his motorcade. he will be speaking shortly. the subject is immigration. this is a highly anticipated speech and it comes just after a big trip to mexico and that's now the subject of some international dispute over what was and wasn't discussed. mexico's president suggested donald trump was not telling the truth about a key facet of it whether or not they discussed who would pay for the wall that donald trump promises to build along the mexican border. back now with our panel, jeffrey lord. you've been sitting here waiting patiently and i want to ask you about the speech that we're

waiting for donald trump to give tonight as we see in the slow-motion motorcade. what do you think donald trump needs to do tonight and how much further clarification does he need over what he said over the next two weeks? >> he needs to keep being himself. the role that he played today. i mean, this is the role of an american president. i watched this and i can hear ana just crunching her teeth here, but he looked to me reaganesque -- >> and i have no more tooth enamel. >> let jeffrey finish. >> when you remember all the heat that ronald reagan took with his dealings for the soviet union and finally in the fall of 1985 they met in geneva, and he came down these steps and greeted gorbachev and things were on very much the same kind of similar situation where there was a lot of tension, and i think to some degree in fairness to both donald trump and the president of mexico, you've got to cut him some slack here.

this is a serious issue in this country. a serious political issue. donald trump is going to stick by his -- his objectives here. this is what got him here. he's not going to abandon it, and he's also dealing with somebody who has to do the same version of the same thing. >> quickly, reaganesque. he stood next to a human being in this case, the president of mexico for 25 minutes. >> right. >> that's reaganesque? >> well, it was somebody that, you know, we've spent chapter and verse on this program all year about his criticisms of mexico. i mean, ronald reagan careerwise was death on the soviet union. he was a very severe critic. >> all he had to do was show up? >> so up income, jeffrey and everyone else will tell me nixon goes to china. no, it's not. >> i said that this morning. >> there you go. >> what this is is it's the soft bigotry of low expectation. >> george w. bush. >> look at that. there we go. that's exactly what this is.

he didn't fall when he walked up the steps. he read off the script. he stood there and he wasn't disheveled and he gave a speech. one of the things that we don't talk about is the way that when he was talking about ripping up nafta and trade deals and how in this speech he said he would build upon nafta and we don't talk about the fact that his major policy point and when you go to his website, which i did today, actually, second on his website is build a wall and mexico will pay for it and his first time addressing the mexican president and the people of mexico he cannot even find the courage to say who is going to pay for it. so, yes, we are having the soft bigotry of low expectation. this was not a presidential moment. this was a moment of, i guess, maturation for donald trump, but let's not get this confused. donald trump, if we look in the entire context from judge curiel, and bastardizing mexicans as rapists and the hispanic outrage of eating a

taco bowl and this was not for mexico, this was for college-educated white women in ohio, pennsylvania, florida, michigan and everyone sees how transparent this is. >> what about hillary clinton? >> i say lightning might strike me dead today, but this is more than him not falling over when he showed up. let's give the guy credit if are one thing. he showed up to what is a very hostile environment. people sell pinatas with donald trump's face all over mexico. he is detested in mexico and probably the only politician that could stand next to pena nieto and have lower approval numbers in mexico than pena nieto is donald trump. >> maybe that's why he invited him. >> he showed up to the lion's lair, and he also answered press questions which is more than hillary clinton has done in months. >> let's wait right there. it gives us something to talk about and we have a lot more time tonight as we wait for donald trump to speak in phoenix. coming up i'll speak to one of his surrogates who has an hispanic-american has not always

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afterward, pena tweeted that he did tell trump that mexico would not pay for the wall. is it a mistake for trump not to go and say they will pay for it? >> perhaps like that bill murray movie, it got lost in translation. i don't know. this is so unimportant. what was important is the fact donald trump went down there and acted incredibly presidential and statesman like and he reached out to somebody who compared him to mussolini and hitler and yet he looked past that and said we have much bigger issues as neighbors and friends and allies and we can improve on this relationship. he reached out to him and it seemed like he negotiated with two men with very serious responsibilities. by the way, a lot of people have doubted him as a world leader. can he be diplomatic? i think he showed us today in this first test that he absolutely can. >> i've heard from other supporters similar language.

to be clear, you make the case for him eloquently. what did he do other than in this what did he negotiate? what did he get? >> well, nobody says, you know, they just sat down and ordered the appetizer. we're not ready for the check yet. nobody says you have to walk away after a 45-minute meeting with concrete takeaways. what they did was establish common ground. for instance, here would be a concrete takeaway. that both of us have a border problem. mexico, we don't talk about this, on their southern border. they have a very significant border problem. they agreed that every country has the right to have serious barriers and control of their borders. the flow of people and weapons and possibly terrorists is significant to both of these countries. that we are friends and neighbors and being a good neighbor often means having a good fence. so it was substantive. it wasn't just optics but they are also important. that he can be a calm statesman and the fact that i would say,

they had a press conference afterward. hillary clinton has not had a press conference since 2015. so the contrast to me is stark and revealing. >> she has not given a press conference. but critics, to be clear, they'll say just because he didn't blow up or lose his temper or say something embarrassing, that's not a bar. that's not the qualification to be presidential. >> of course not, of course not. not screwing up is not a reason to be a commander in chief. the main stream media is so inseenly harsh on donald trump. i think if he were to walk on water, the headlines would say, donald trump is afraid to swim. i think that he went down there and did very well annoys and zars main stream media. >> that's different than wading in ankle deep water and saying you're michael phelps. let me talk about the speech he's going to give. you told me that you personally

favor some kind of path to legalization for some of the 11 million illegal immigrants in the country. if donald trump does not embrace some path to legalization, for some of the 11 million here, will you be disappointed? >> i would be disappointed personally. i am not now speaking on behalf of the campaign. i'm speaking for steve cortes. i don't want citizenship. i believe it is off the table. we cannot reward criminality with citizenship. they can never get right to vote. that's a stark contrast from hillary clinton height will give all, many if not all of these illegals the right to vote. she thinks that she will earn a voting bloc of 10 million plus voters. so we cannot give citizenship. we must secure the border. throws the non-negotiable. he's never wavered on that. i don't know what he'll come up with. we'll find out shortly. i would hope for people who have been here many, many years, who have worked here, who have clean

records, who have families. i would hope there's a process, and not an easy process by the way. it has to involve fines, back ground checks, vetting. i hope there is a way to achieve stat us that for some they can stay, yes. and i'm speaking on my behalf. that's what i advised to donald trump. we'll see where he comes out but i agree with him. even as an hispanic. a lot of people have to go. >> thanks so much. i appreciate it. >> thank you. i appreciate it. when we come back, more on what we could hear very shortly from donald trump, his immigration plans, where will he come down on legal status. stay with us. "well, fantastic!" a lot.y, i do say that, you see... i study psychobiology. i'm a fine arts major. nobody really believes that i take notes this way, but they actually make sense to me. i try to balance my studying with the typical college experience. this windows pc is a life saver! being able to pull up different articles to different parts of the screen is so convenient.

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good evening again. coming up now at the top of the hour. i'm john berman in for anderson tonight of we are just moments away from donald trump's highly anticipated speech in phoenix which now really has a bigger headline hanging over it. anaheimly, mexico's president with a much different view of what he talked about and did not talk about in his meeting in mexico with donald trump today. the get together was supposed to show case donald trump the statesman. now it has blown up into something far, far different. who will pay for the wall? did they talk about it? let's check first with sarah murray at the phoenix convention

center. what specifics about policy can we expect to hear from donald trump tonight? >> reporter: well, i think there's been a lot of confusion about whether donald trump is actually wavering on this whole issue his campaign has been based on. i think we can hear him talk about how he views these things in terms of his priorities and how important border security is. that does mean building a wall. his campaign believes that is the biggest issue. the biggest cornerstone of trump's game. but they believe that stopping illegal immigration is key the whatever they're going to do next. whatever they want to do next is deporting undocumented immigrants who come to the united states and then commit a felony. that's what we expect donald trump to address when he talks about how the deal with millions of undocumented immigrants in the country. we are expecting him to address that. it is not clear if he will go into great detail to how he will deal with that. the folks who have been here a long time who haven't committed