status, they will have one route and one route only. to return home and apply for re-entry like everybody else under the rules of the new legal immigration system. >> reporter: the billionaire vowing to swiftly expel millions who have overstayed their visas and undocumented criminals. >> i am going to create a new special deportation task force focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal illegal immigrants in america who have evaded justice, just like hillary clinton has evaded justice, okay. maybe they'll be able to deport her. >> reporter: insisting he will detain and remove anyone caught crossing the border. >> we are going to end catch and release. >> reporter: and force other countries to take back their citizens who have been ordered to leave the u.s.

>> there are at least 23 countries that refuse to take their people back after they've been ordered to leave the united states. not going to happen with me, folks. not going to happen with me. >> reporter: and declaring he will block funding from the 300-plus so-called sanctuary cities across the country. >> cities that refuse to cooperate with federal authorities will not receive taxpayer dollars. >> reporter: but trump is not saying how he would deport all undocumented immigrants living in the u.s. >> only the out of touch media elites think the biggest problem facing america is that there are 11 million illegal immigrants who don't have legal status. >> reporter: as for anyone who wants to live and work here -- >> to choose immigrants based on merit, merit, skill, and proficiency. >> reporter: trump says they will be up against extreme

vetting. >> we are going to suspend the issuance of visas to any place where adequate screening cannot occur. another reform involves new screening tests for all applicants that include an ideological certification to make sure that those we are admitting to our country share our values and love our people. >> reporter: trump also renewing his commitment to build a wall along the u.s. border with mexico. >> and mexico will pay for the wall. hundred percent. they don't know it yet, but they're going to pay for the wall. >> reporter: hours earlier, a more measured and softer tone on display as trump met with mexican president enrique pena nieto. >> we did discuss the wall. we didn't discuss payment of the wall. >> reporter: but after trump let, president pena nieto denies that. quote, from the start of the conversation, i made it clear, mexico will not pay for that

wall. and the mexican president said in an interview late wednesday that some of the positions donald trump has taken, quote, are a threat to mexico. now, the clinton campaign, meantime, they responded to trump's speech saying in part, quote, he showed us very clearly what's at stake in this election by painting a picture of his idea of america, one in which immigrants are not welcome and one in which innocent families are torn apart. chris and alisyn? >> all right. thank you very much. let's discuss. we have cnn politics executive editor mark preston, national political reporter for "the new york times," alex burns, and cnn political analyst and washington bureau chief for the daily beast, jackie kucinich. mark, we have two discussions to have. one, how did he do in mexico? two, what was the peach about last night? let's start with the speech. the speech last night was a return to the same. i am what i am, it is what it is. there was a window in time last week where they were trying to

soften him, make him more appealing to these people who are afraid he's a bigot, too harsh to vote for, but it seems to be over. fair statement? >> oh, clearly. there was a time yesterday between when he left mexico city to get up to arizona where he was still that soft guy that was going to, you know, make things work and was not going to be as harsh in his criticism of those who were coming across the border. but what we saw last night was a play to his base again, which i don't really understand at this point. we're 69 days out, and he's playing to his base. he doesn't need to keep his base at this point. he needs to expand his base. that speech last night clearly is not going to help. >> yesterday was a little schizophrenic in terms of what we saw and different personas and even different message coming out of mexico versus donald trump. was there is a moment, alex, when he came out in mexico at the press conference where the clinton campaign said, uh-oh, because he looked presidential

and he was on the international stage and he seemed measured. >> i think there have been a couple moments in the general election. when you think back to that speech at the detroit economic club. certainly the event in mexico city yesterday. for democrats, there is this brief moment of what if we start running against a guy who becomes a conventional candidate, who does look, i don't want to say presidential, but could hold off, not just a reality tv show bomb thrower. at the same time, we have been through this cycle so many times thattic ev that even though democrats have that moment, he can't sustain it, can't pull it off. yesterday he proved them right pretty darn quickly. >> although, there's some fair criticism of the strategy, which is let trump make the mistakes. this was a good move for him trying to go down there, whether he made the most of it, that's going to be disputed. it was a good move. she allowed him that move.

he dominated the cycle. she's doing the duck and cover here. maybe that's why the polls are so close. >> but it's also been working for her. every time she goes out, particularly in front of the press and takes free-wheeling questions, doesn't end up so well for her. the fact trump is pretty reliably willing to blow himself up, even when he does do something well -- i mean, it was a good move going to mexico. he did look like someone who could potentially hold public office. then the man on that stage was not the man that was in mexico city. he left reasonable trump in mexico and headed across the border to phoenix and was himself again. >> i think it's worth noting, she has been quote/unquote, in hiding. she hasn't done a news conference. what she has done is done this incredible amount of spade word behind the scenes, raising an incredible amount of money, which is going to help pay for this ad buy in the final 65 days or so. i think hillary clinton in many ways, it's dangerous to allow your opponent to define the

election, but donald trump had a great morning and a terrible evening. so why not let him detype that and try to react to it, at the same time raising the amount of money you need to pay for these tv ads. >> maybe all the money she's raising could pay for the wall. there seems to be some confusion about who's going to pay for it. at the press conference in mexico, donald trump came out and said, we talked about the wall, we did not discuss who was going to pay for it. an hour and a half later, president pena sprnieto said, i told him, no, we're not going to pay for it. he's then visibly angry, claiming he put his foot down with donald trump. we don't really know what happened in their one-on-one meeting. >> what the trump campaign is motte contesting is the president of mexico made this comment, that no, we're not going to pay for your border wall. what they argue and what the

mexican president aides will also argue is that it wasn't technically a discussion because it was a one-way comment. >> depends on the definition. >> this is really sort of embarrassing. in addition to just the spectacle of a guy who has anchored his campaign on the wall, going to mexico and not really bringing it up that much. the additional embarrassment of a person who has fashioned himself as this straight talker, this guy who says what everybody wants to say but isn't gutsy enough to say for themselves, going down and saying, well, it wasn't technically a conversation. >> isn't it more embarrassing for president pena nieto? he's the person who invited him. if he didn't discuss the wall and who's going to pay for it, it's an embarrassment for him. >> everyone should be embarrassed at this point. let's talk about diplomacy. he has this conversation then goes to arizona and talks about, they don't even know it yet, but they're going to pay for it. it throws it in the face, this

invitation he got, of the mexican president. >> here's the sound jackie is talking about, to show how trump buttoned up what happened there. >> on day one, we will begin working on an impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful southern border wall. and mexico will pay for the wall. they don't know it yet, but they're going to pay for the wall. and they're great people. great leaders. but they're going to pay for the wall. >> manic. well, he didn't say that to president pena nieto. is that something worthy of criticism? the clinton campaign is jumping on it. isn't that what a politician does? they don't go up to their opponent and say, you're going to pay for the wall, and if you don't like it, too bad. you soft talk it, then come back and give a different message. trump is being a politician. >> trump is absolutely being a

politician. and in many ways, i think he's being reserved and measured by not going down to mexico and having a discussion about the wall and saying, look, lyi'm gog to walk into your kitchen and tell you what to do. i give him props for not arguing with the president of mexico, but having said that at the same time, for him then a few hours later to go on stage, be very strident, doing an exact 180 from what he appeared to be saying earlier in the day, and later on in the sentence say, oh, but they're great people but they don't know yet. it's very manic. >> i think it does go to the basic risk of a stunt trip like this, creating a spectacle with a trip like this for donald trump. if he had brought up the wall, if he had stuck it to pen pena nieto, then clinton campaign would be saying, this guy is an amateur, he's created an international incident, he's

too risky to have as president of the united states. the alternative is they say he's all talk. >> right. i completely agree. it looked like he was saying one then and doing another. >> okay. so in the speech in arizona, here are some of the points of what he now says is his immigration plan. this was the big speech. so finally we have the tenants of what it is founded on. here are the top five. no acmnesty, no path to citizenship. remove criminals and people who overstayed their visas. "the washington post" says that would amount to 6 million people. not 11 million people. build a border wall that mexico pays for. i think the question is still open there. defund sanctuary cities and rescind president obama's executive orders. is that the most clear that he has been, mark? >> i thought he was very broad last night. we only did the top five. he did ten last night. he also said at the beginning,

this is not going to be a rally, i'm going to give you a detailed plan, a policy prescription about how to solve this. it turned into a rally. he turned it into this rally where he would stop and look for applause. he would start applauding himself. i thought it was very broad last night. >> the best way to start applause, by the way. >> just start doing it yourself. look, i think in the end, what we saw last night is something that we saw probably two weeks ago. >> right. except here's a new level of scrutiny he's going to have. i think after last night, because he laid out his policy, which is how. he said what doesn't work. there's nothing that's going on there except sanctuary cities. that's something you're going to have to take time and learn about on your own. that's a very misunderstood idea about why they exist in the first place. other than sanctuary cities, this isn't about what, it's about how. how will you get these criminals? you've got the biggest force ever in american history in i.c.e. trying to round them up. it's not that easy. so how will you do it better?

he's light there and with good reason. we haven't found a good policy prescription for it. will the how haunt him here? >> i think it will. i think he has so far played into the suspicion among conservative voters that our immigration laws are just sitting there on the books, we have these enforcement officers sitting around, not being allowed to do their jobs by the obama administration, when the reality is obviously a lot more complicated than that and there's a triage of the immigration cases that the federal government is trying to deal with. i think for donald trump to be able to defend this going forward, that's the real challenge for somebody like him who's not necessarily that well versed in the nitty-gritty of the policy. >> panel, stick around. we have more questions for you. also coming up, we'll get reaction from hillary clinton's running mate tim kaine. he'll join us live in our 8:00 hour. and we are bringing back former mexican president vicente fox. he said he wanted to tell america what his take was after the meeting. well, he has it. that's in our next hour. so hillary clinton slamming trump's immigration speech and

his visit to mexico, saying that he failed his first foreign test. will staying out of the spotlight, no press conferences, hurt her or help her? our panel is going to weigh in on that. she spent summer binge-watching. soon, she'll be binge-studying.

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there will be no amnesty. our message to the world will be this. you cannot obtain legal status or become a citizen of the united states by illegally entering our country. can't do it. >> well, hillary clinton is already slamming donald trump's immigration speech. she says in this statement, trump once again showed us that he will continue his decades' long record of divisiveness and campaign of hate by pledging to

forcibly remove every single undocumented immigrant from our country. our panel is back with us. we have mark preston, jackie kucinich, and alex burns. so jackie, the clinton campaign had to be watching very closely yesterday. i'm sure they had whiplash by the end of the today. at first, donald trump went down, appeared at the podium, appeared presidential. there seemed to be a conciliatory meeting. then he flew to arizona and gave that speech. is it okay for clinton to just stand back and watch all this unfold and sort of take a passive role, or does she somehow need to be inserting herself into this and accepting invitations from foreign leaders and going herself? >> that's not something -- a place needs to bolster her resume. in the president of mexico's speech, he said something to effect of i can't wait to welcome hillary clinton back here because we've met here before. so that's not somewhere where her resume needs more padding. in terms of her standing back,

i'm going to butcher this expression, but why stop your opponent from killing themselves when they're doing it themselves. i totally butchered that. >> i think we got the message. >> why would she get in the middle of that when he's doing such a good job himself. >> well, okay. so what is the downside? the downside is that you see a compression in polls. many would argue that she should be blowing trump away. the question is, why isn't he? it's because she's allowing him to define the race. not only is she allowing him to define the race, but she's doing something else, which we're going to talk to tim kaine about today. they spend a lot of time talking about trump instead of talking about policy. could that be a reason for compression in the polls, that this race is close in the first place, that she's not playing to her advantage, which is supposed to be policy. she's playing his game. she's talking about who stinks more. there's no question about that. i think when you look at the trend in the general election polls over the last two months, you see it's pretty stable with

hillary clinton in the low to mid-40s, donald trump in the high 30s. except right after the democratic convention, which is really the only time in the last sex months that we've heard hillary clinton make a really assertive, really extended, positive case for her own election and lay out her vision in the kind of intensive way that really would be normal for most presidential candidates at this point in the election. so i couldn't agree more. i think hanging back does allow trump to define the election. it does allow him to define himself with his stumbles, but it also risks making the coalition of voters who ultimately have to vote for her penner is voo er and perceive the election -- >> hang back or dive? >> i think -- look, i think there's always a risk by hanging back because trump has owned the news cycle, as he does whenever he truly wants to. i think there's something to be said. i know the viewers hate to hear

this, but there's something to be said that you need to stock your war chest. you need to raise millions and millions and millions of dollars to go on the air in the final two months and define the race at that moment when most of america is tuned in. >> so when mike pence says, i don't know where hillary clinton has been, she's been in the hamptons with champagne raising money, you're saying wise move. >> i think it was a wise move. let's not forget, before the american legion yesterday, she was giving a speech on american exceptionalism. here's the problem. donald trump sucks up so much oxygen out of the news cycle that, that wasn't even able to breakthrou breakthrough. even when she does come out, how are you going to overshadow that? >> she introduced a mental health platform this week as well. >> not nearly as sexy as going -- >> but she is talking about policy. >> it's not that it's just not as sexy. it's the prioritization of it as well. the campaign pushed back.

you come on the show, you want to talk about trump. you're going to get asked, what do you want to talk about, what do you think is important. they're using trump. here's the turn about in fair play. trump is picking up on her passivity, to call it that, and he's seeing it as weakness. here's what he said. >> these are matters of life and death for our country and its people, and we deserve answers from hillary clinton. and you notice she doesn't answer. she didn't go to louisiana. she didn't go to mexico. she was invited. she doesn't have the strength or the stamina to make america great again. believe me. >> just to be clear, he has blacklisted the show. he won't come on. he doesn't want to answer our questions. but fair criticism of hillary

clinton? >> well, for him, of course, because that's your opponent. i think the louisiana thing was not about hillary clinton. it's really about barack obama allowi ining donald trump to gon there and look presidential while barack obama was playing 18 up on cape cod. >> but she didn't go either. >> but come september 10 oth, we're not going to be talking about her not being in louisiana. that news cycle has passed us by. as far as going to mexico, when is the last time a presidential candidate less than three months before the election says i'm going to jet off and have a discussion with a foreign leader. they just don't do that. >> so what, it's about being active, showing you want to do the job, showing you can do the job and taking opportunities to do that. he did that, she didn't. >> which was smart for him to do that, absolutely, but he wasn't secretary of state for four years. he wasn't a u.s. senator for eight or ten years. >> on the foreign relations committee. >> there's different mountains they have to climb. hillary clinton's biggest

mountain is that she needs people to like her. >> if donald trump were a governor who was seen as a mainstream figure, a plausible president, but people had questions about his ability to serve as a commander in chief, this would be a tremendously effective strategy. get to mexico, get to a disaster area, let people see you in settings where you appear to be doing the things that a president would do. trump's problem in all of this is he's still donald trump. when people see these images of him as a man of action in mexico, a man of action in baton rouge, they're still seeing a guy they have already decided they fundamentally do not like. that doesn't make hillary clinton's strategy risk free. this notion she's raising money, mark's right, but most candidates have to do it all. >> panel, thank you very much for all your insights. great to have you here. we're following very serious news of the weather variety. florida is getting hit by rain that very heavy from tropical

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all right. so this is a situation you have to watch. residents along florida's eastern panhandle are already feeling the impact of tropical storm hermine. the storm is expected to make landfall overnight as a hurricane. we have cnn's boris sanchez live along florida's gulf coast. boris, they are getting some window of warning right now, but this was a little bit of a tricky situation. kind of really got strong all of the sudden. >> reporter: yeah, chris. we didn't really know where this hurricane was going to go almost until the last minute. this is an area that typically doesn't get a lot of hurricanes because of where it's situated. you have to have a hurricane that makes a very steep curve to get a direct hit here in the panhandle. florida governor rick scott has declared a state of emergency, saying that everyone in this area has to be ready, they have to prepare for 11 to 20 inches of rain in some spots with winds

stronger than 60 miles an hour. this is going to be a category 1 hurricane when it hits. i actually spoke to a business owner here last night who told me that about 11 years ago, the last time they got a direct hit in this area, the water in a nearby marina got so high that it sent several boats straight into this neighborhood. despite that, he says he's going to try to stay open today. he's going to try to keep his restaurant open. he says they have sandbag and they've made several plans to try to stay open throughout the day. if it were up to governor rick scott, he'd have that guy stay home. obviously the concern here is that there may be some complacency. think about it, florida hasn't gotten a direct hit from a hurricane in about ten years. from the looks of it right now, it doesn't seem like a lot of people are going to stick around to see what hurricane hermine does here, alisyn. >> that's good, because we've learned complacency is dangerous. boris, thanks so much. chad myers joins us now with the latest on where forecasters think the storm will go at this hour.

how's it could lookilooking, ch? >> right over mr. sanchez. he'll have 75-mile-per-hour winds no doubt tonight. it is going to be a big storm for this big bend area of florida. storm surges with this storm at least 15 feet deep. those marinas boris was just talking about will be flooded again. apalachicola, st. mark's, all the way down to cedar key. then it keeps going. over georgia, over south carolina, and north carolina, possibly storm surges in the harbors and bays here. then it parks itself off the east coast for what could be 72 hours. if it's too close, chris, this whole area will get a foot of rain. if it's farther out to sea, they'll just get waves. but this is the most dangerous part, at least for the northeast. does this thing hang out like agnes hung out in 1972.

we'll see. that's still three days away. >> chad, what is your guess? i'm supposed to be off on monday. will i be standing in a cnn slicker? >> is this your own personal forecast you want from chad? >> i think news is a very personal suggestion. so do you think we'll be covering storm surge off of new york come monday morning? >> it's possible this surge goes into the areas up near d.c. it could be baltimore. it could be the chesapeake. it could be wilmington, delaware, and it could be the hudson. yes, there's a possibility that you need to dust off that red coat. >> appreciate it. thank you very much, chad. i'll probably wind up standing next to you. let's take a quick break here. how is donald trump's surprise visit to mexico playing south of the border? what the mexican people are saying about trump and their president. we have a live report next. whatcha' doin?

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probably won't come as a surprise, but many mexicans are seething at the idea of their own president meeting with donald trump. hours afterward, president enrique pena nieto acknowledged some of trump's positions being a threat to mexico. he says he made it clear to

trump that mexico would not pay for his border wall, but trump had a very different view. cnn's john vas is live in mexico city. what are you hearing? >> reporter: hey, chris. yeah, look, many mexicans were dismissive, even mocking donald trump and his diplomatic outreach here to the mexican president. some were kind of skeptical. then came that fiery speech in arizona. for many here, that simply confirmed what they suspected all along, that donald trump's visit here to mexico city was nothing more than a pr stunt intended to polish his image, make him look like a statesman and had more to do with winning over white conservative voters in the united states and very little, they say, in trying to repair relations with mexico or trying to reach out to hispanic voters in the united states. people here are angry that their president allowed donald trump to do that. as you mentioned, for his part,

enrique pena nieto, he was on television last night shortly after that speech by donald trump. he did say that he thought a number of donald trump's policy positions presented a threat or a danger to mexico. he said he would not sit by and do nothing about it. so clearly all that diplomacy, all that goodwill when we saw these two men standing together at the podium in the presidential palace, that didn't last long. in fact, you could say that it lasted about as long as it takes to fly from mexico city to phoenix. alisyn? >> john, very interesting assessment on all of that. thank you for the word from the ground there. so what did come out of this meeting? let's discuss it with latin american political analyst and former u.s. deputy assistant secretary of defense ana maria salazar. thank you for being here. there was a lot of confusion yesterday about why president pena nieto would invite donald trump, who of course is not yet the president elect, if he ever does become that. what have you learn about what motivated the mexican president?

>> well, it's still very confusing, and i'm sure they're trying to forget what happened yesterday as soon as possible because what the president needed to get from that meeting was an apology, at least a public apology or something that appeared to be a public apology as to the way he's been referring and talking about mexico and mexicans and of course appear to have a position in which donald trump would be willing to negotiate with mexico on some of these difficult issues, including immigration. the president, after the meeting when they had this press conference, it was in a very confusing scene in which they both were kind of looking at each other and asking this question in regards to, well, who's going to build the wall and who's going to pay for the wall. they played the nice diplomatic card and allowed donald trump to

speak. the president didn't interrupt. at the end of the day, and if you look at the headlines here in mexico, the president said, i need to protect mexico and mexicans, and donald trump said, you're going to be paying for the wall. that's the headlines here in mexico. the big loser appears to be the mexican government. so -- particularly the president. it was a very confusing meeting. i'm sure they're going to try to forget about it, really, or at least erase it from the mexican history as soon as possible. >> well, our cnn reporting does shed some light on to what president pena nieto may have been thinking in terms of the invitation. so we have this government -- mexican government source who says that the invitation started, the genesis of it was with the finance ministry, who thought this would be a good idea because it would calm down investors, that the peso falls when people think that in mexico that donald trump will be elected president.

so this was an attempt to prevent the peso from falling. doesn't sound like it may have calmed investors, if that was the goal. >> it didn't calm investors. in fact, it may have raised some concerns that the fact that the president insinuated that mexico would be willing to renegotiate nafta as demanded by donald trump, could raise the spectrum of a couple years of negotiating one of the most important trade agreements between mexico, united states, and canada. not only it didn't calm the waters, but what is very interesting at least allows us to understand who was behind pushing the president to invite donald trump. i'm sure there's going to be a backlash also throughout the day and ultimately if anything came out from this meeting, it's just a reminder to everybody that if

you try to get close to donald trump, donald trump is radioactive and you're going to get burned. it appears that president enrique pena nieto was burned. >> and in fact, president pena nieto seemed burned by the end of the day. he seemed to be angrier. there was first this conciliatory press conference where he and donald trump stood next to each other. donald trump said in that, well, the idea of who was going to pay for the wall didn't come up. by the end of the evening, here's what president pena nieto said. donald trump's policy stances could represent a huge threat to mexico, and i'm not prepared to keep my arms crossed and do nothing. that risk, that threat must be confronted. i told him that is not the way to build a mutually beneficial relationship for both nations. quite a different tone than what they said at the press conference. >> well, and what people are saying is why didn't the president interrupt donald trump at that point. the problem is both the

president and donald trump were playing or pretending to be that this was a real diplomatic meeting where negotiations were taking place. the way they behaved was as if they were both, you know, he was already president of the united states and they were trying to reach some type of agreement. pena nieto, they made a mistake, i think, and they're realizing it today. pena nieto was burned by donald trump. >> ana maria salazar, thank you so much for your insights into this meeting. let's get to chris. people have been talking about him. now he's going to speak for himself. colin kaepernick is ready for his close-up. the 49ers quarterback is expected to continue his national anthem protest in san diego tonight for their final preseason game. how is he going to explain it? bleacher report next.

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49ers and chargers play their final preseason game tonight in san diego. the focus, of course, on 49ers quarterback colin kaepernick. coy wire is live this morning with the bleacher report. what's going to happen, coy? >> that's the big question. good morning, alisyn. by now, many of us are aware of kaepernick's decision to sit during the national anthem in protest of racial injustice in our country. but despite what his objectors are saying, he said all along it was never his intention to disrespect the military. tonight, if kaepernick sits during the anthem, it'll be in front of hundreds of servicemen and women as the chargers are having their 28th annual salute to the military game. they'll pay tribute to current and retired military personnel,

vietnam war vets, wounded warriors, and others throughout the night. kaepernick has said he's going to continue to sit during the anthem until there's significant change in our country. will kaepernick be booed? will he be supported? will he be joined in protest by any of his teammates? these are the types of questions that will likely be answered tonight. now, kaepernick has received a lot of criticism, but he's also received a lot of support for his stance, even by veterans on social media, and yesterday a former nfl player and army vet nate boyer pen an open letter on armytimes.com. he said in part, quote, what you're doing takes a lot of courage, and i'd be lying if i said i knew what it was like to walk around in your views. i've never had to deal with prejudice because of the color of my skin. i'm just going to keep listening with an open mind. i look forward to the day you're inspired to once again stand during our national anthem. i'll be standing right there next to you, unquote. so chris, there you have not only a former nfl player but a

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let's throw out some of the general propositions and get your take. the first one, let's deal with this controversy on the wall. ileana, i'll start with you. trump says we didn't discuss who's going to pay for it when i was with president pena nieto. the president then tweets out, yes, we did, and i told him i'm not paying for it. >> well, i find that -- that's so petty, at least for me, perhaps because i'm expecting something else. but the fact of the matter is, he's a candidate for the presidency. he cannot possibly know anything of the logistics or really have a handle on what can possibly happen in the future. he has that as a means to an end, obviously, but to sit there and discuss something like the price of a wall, for me, is minutia. for me, it's important that this get over and done with, that they have an understanding that there will be some type of a border between mexico and the united states as a form of security, as a form of accountability.

but detail in particular for me is just basically something for the media to entertain itself with at this point. >> so is it just about us, who cares whether or not the wall price was discussed or not, rudy? >> chris, i believe americans whether they are hard liners on the immigration or not, deserve a serious plan. when trump lacks a serious plan and promises to deport all illegal aliens, you know, all criminal aliens within the first hour of his presidency, that was literally a line in the speech last night. he's going to wave a magic wand and deport all illegal immigrants. he's going to force mexicans to pay for the wall. one of the most interesting lines in the speech was he was going to get the ratio of u.s.-born to foreign-born back to historical levels. what does that even mean? look, this whole election now hinges on whether the majority of voters believe that he's a magician and he can magically

make things happen and are willing to suspend belief and give him the benefit of the doubt. i simply am not willing to. . >> ileana, when it comes to immigration, we all know there's a problem, that the system doesn't work the way it's supposed to. that's just fact. the question is, how will trump make it better? do you think he's done enough in his big speech and before it to define how? >> i think that the fact that it was his main everyomphasis from very beginning helps. we need to start from some point. i think that he macros into this area in particular because he sees it as some type of insecurity for the country, perhaps an achilles heel for country per se. at the same time, also a lack of accountability, whereas people like myself end up flipping the bill for people that are coming into this country, whether they're coming in through the border or perhaps overstaying their visas.

to say right now that you can have an actual, precise, tied down plan as to what you're going to do really doesn't make any sense. i mean, the fine, fine details. once again, he's not in the oval office. he doesn't know the logistics or perhaps anything else that just surrounds something as delicate as that. the thing is, he has that as a priority. something that we haven't seen with the last administration. oh, yes, obama has deported the biggest amount of people in the history of presidents. and we have seen what other presidents have done with immigration. the fact of the matter is that whether it was the democratic or the republican party, there's a situation in this country right now where we have over 11 million undocumented immigrants that really is not trump's fault. he's trying to find a way or at least pinpointing in that direction that we need to take care of it. i don't see what's wrong with that. >> chris, ileana is willing to give him a pass on details and

on actually having a plan, but i'm not. if he doesn't have an idea as to how he's going to deport these folks or get mexicans to pay for the wall, he shouldn't be making those type of promises. the reality is that when he -- >> let me ask you a question. >> -- like deporting all criminal aliens within the first hour, he's mocking not only mexicans but his supporters. that's a travesty. >> this is coming from a republican, ileana. go ahead. >> yeah, i'm very saddened that you should see that as mocking considering that you consider yourself a republican. >> he is mocking. >> i don't look at it the that way. basically -- >> hold on, i can't understand anything you're saying. make your last observation, ileana. rudy, you answer, and we'll leave it there for today. >> i just don't find that his comments bring anything constructive to the table, especially if you consider yourself a republican. we're up against a democratic candidate who hasn't really done

much for the immigration system to begin with. all the way back to 2008, they've been back and forth with regards to the fence, to the wall, to this, to that. nothing has happened. so going up against the candidate for the presidency under that umbrella just doesn't seem productive to me. so you can say whatever you want, perceive whatever you want. so can the rest of the nation. >> rudy, final word. >> chris, there's a big difference between tough talk and tough action. yesterday trump called for 5,000 custom border patrol agents. the gang of eight, which is vilified by the hard liners, called for 20,000 us ccustom bo patrol agents and four times as many agents on the border. that would have been a tough way to deal with illegal immigration. the real tough kind of illegal immigration with ted cruz, and he's a man of principle. >> all right. rudy hernandez -- >> wouldn't be the first time we saw exaggerated facts. >> ileana, good