much for the immigration system to begin with. all the way back to 2008, they've been back and forth with regards to the fence, to the wall, to this, to that. nothing has happened. so going up against the candidate for the presidency under that umbrella just doesn't seem productive to me. so you can say whatever you want, perceive whatever you want. so can the rest of the nation. >> rudy, final word. >> chris, there's a big difference between tough talk and tough action. yesterday trump called for 5,000 custom border patrol agents. the gang of eight, which is vilified by the hard liners, called for 20,000 us ccustom bo patrol agents and four times as many agents on the border. that would have been a tough way to deal with illegal immigration. the real tough kind of illegal immigration with ted cruz, and he's a man of principle. >> all right. rudy hernandez -- >> wouldn't be the first time we saw exaggerated facts. >> ileana, good how you slipped that under the wire there.

thank you very much. appreciate the debate. all right. there's a lot of news this morning, including a live interview with former mexican president vicente fox. let's get to it. >> we take anybody. not anymore. >> he doesn't know how to run a nation. he doesn't even know how to run a business. >> we'll build an impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful southern border wall. and mexico will pay. >> after years of hearing leaders talk about ending illegal immigration, elect a leader who will actually do it. >> there will be no amnesty. >> we don't build a coalition by insulting our friends or acting like a loose cannon. >> those here illegally today, they will have one route and one route only. >> this is "new day" with chris

cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." donald trump ramping up the tough talk on immigration in a fiery speech in arizona. trump vowing there will be no amnesty for undocumented immigrants. he says he will deport millions of criminals and undocumented people who have overstayed their visas. >> the speech was the opposite of the diplomatic tone on display in mexico. trump insists that mexico will pay for the border wall, but mexico's president says he made it clear his country will not foot the bill. let's begin with sunlen live in washington. >> reporter: good morning to you, alisyn. this was certainly not a softening by donald trump. trump returned to that tough talk that we knew from the primary campaign, declaring no amnesty, calling for the wall, saying mexico will pay for it, but he still did not give a definitive answer about what to do with the undocumented people living in the u.s. who are not criminals. >> there will be no amnesty.

>> reporter: donald trump recommitting to a fired up no mercy stance on illegal immigration. >> for those here illegally today who are seeking legal status, they will have one route and one route only. to return home and apply for re-entry like everybody else under the rules of the new legal immigration system. >> reporter: the billionaire vowing to swiftly expel millions who have overstayed their visas and undocumented criminals. >> i am going to create a new special deportation task force focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal illegal immigrants in america who have evaded justice, just like hillary clinton has evaded justice, okay. maybe they'll be able to deport her.

>> reporter: insisting he will detain and remove anyone caught crossing the border. >> we are going to end catch and release. >> reporter: and force other countries to take back their citizens who have been ordered to leave the u.s. >> there are at least 23 countries that refuse to take their people back after they've been ordered to leave the united states. not going to happen with me, folks. not going to happen with me. >> reporter: and declaring he will block funding from the 300-plus so-called sanctuary cities across the country. >> cities that refuse to cooperate with federal authorities will not receive taxpayer dollars. >> reporter: but trump is not saying how he would deport all undocumented immigrants living in the u.s. >> only the out of touch media elites think the biggest problem facing america is that there are 11 million illegal immigrants who don't have legal status. >> reporter: as for anyone who wants to live and work here --

>> to choose immigrants based on merit, merit, skill, and proficiency. >> reporter: trump says they will be up against extreme vetting. >> we are going to suspend the issuance of visas to any place where adequate screening cannot occur. another reform involves new screening tests for all applicants that include an ideological certification to make sure that those we are admitting to our country share our values and love our people. >> reporter: trump also renewing his commitment to build a wall along the u.s. border with mexico. >> and mexico will pay for the wall. hundred percent. they don't know it yet, but they're going to pay for the wall.

>> reporter: hours earlier, a more measured and softer tone on display as trump met with mexican president enrique pena nieto. >> we did discuss the wall. we didn't discuss payment of the wall. >> reporter: but after trump let, president pena nieto denies that. quote, from the start of the conversation, i made it clear, mexico will not pay for that wall. and the mexican president said in an interview late wednesday that some of the positions donald trump has taken, quote, are a threat to mexico. and the clinton campaign, meantime, they are responding to trump's speech, saying in part, quote, he showed us very clearly what's at stake in this election by painting a picture of his idea of america, one in which immigrants are not welcomed and one in which innocent families are torn apart. chris and alisyn? >> okay, sunlen. thanks so much for all of that. let's discuss the tale of two trumps, meaning the trip to mexico and the speech about immigration, with our cnn political commentator anna navarro, and new york city councilman and cochair of donald trump's new york campaign, joseph barelli. let's start with trump's trip to

mexico. anna, what came out of it? >> i think trump won the afternoon. look, i think he made pena nieto look like a pip squeak. i can tell you that every mexican i've spoken to, every mexican-american i've spoken to, today might be the only day they feel more scorned towards pena nieto than donald trump. this controversy that emerged after trump left -- >> about who would pay for the wall? >> well, you know, here's the pro problem. the guy was standing next to trump, five feet away. it was pena nieto's press conference. it was pena nieto's podium. it was pena nieto's house. trump says it didn't come up right next to him, and pena nieto doesn't utter a word. i think most mexicans feel very well represented by what vicente fox is saying. their own president, who was at 23% approval rating in mexico before this, i'm sure there are pena nieto's pinatas getting

to sold today in mexico right next to the trump ones. >> he said he didn't clarify because there was confusion and cha chaos. this morning there is still confusion. donald trump says hay didn't discuss it. pena nieto seemed a little annoyed. so he put out this tweet. he says, i emphatically said mexico will not pay for the wall. so joe, where are we with this? >> well, you know, kind of parlaying off what anna said, i think pena nieto might be backtracking a little bit on what happened at the meeting. maybe there was a brief mention of who would pay for the wall, but it seems like there wasn't any formal discussion of financing of the wall per se. that said, there probably shouldn't be. donald trump is not the president of the united states yet. and it's not the time and place to do a formal negotiation. >> but he has staked much of his campaign on it. in other words, if he doesn't want to deal with it yet, he has been saying all along and promising in no uncertain terms that mexico will pay for it. >> and he still does, as we saw.

but the takeaway is the two men agreed that the wall is something that could, should, and probably will happen when trump is president. they agreed nafta has to be modernized. and it portrayed donald trump in a way that donald trump needs to be seen. he appeared presidential. hillary clinton, where is she? she's hiding in the hamptons or in martha's vineyard this weekend. donald trump in the past two weeks travels to louisiana, travels to mexico. he's becoming the president. >> so you both agree it was a win for trump. >> absolutely. i think the imagery worked for him. my also think, look, i give the guy credit for going into -- i think he outmavericked, outmaneuvered pena nieto. pena nieto should have never issued this invitation, gave a person that is abhorred by mexicans and mexican-americans a platform, made him look presidential. you have those two podiums standing next to each other. i think most mexicans woke up today really wanting to skewer this president. if you take his poll numbers today, he'll be in the single digits. >> let me move on because i want to talk about his speech.

that was the afternoon. donald trump shows up in arizona and gives his long-awaited speech on immigration. let's talk about the five top points that he made about his immigration plan. he says, no amnesty, no path to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented people here now. remove the criminals and the millions who overstay their visas. "the washington post" says that could 6 million people that will have to be removed by deportation force somehow. build a wall that mexico pays for. that's an open question, as we know. defund sanctuary cities and rescind president obama's executive orders. is that what you wanted to hear from him, joe? >> yeah, i mean, as someone who's conservative, someone that's a republican, someone who cares about immigration and the country, i want to hear donald trump being consistent, which he was on there being no amnesty, no pathway to citizenship, unless people remove themselves from the country, reapply. >> but you're okay with no specifics? he didn't explain how the 6 million people will be deported? >> i think he said we're going to add about 5,000 new i.c.e.

enforcement officers. so he was specific. compare that to hillary clinton. spoke at the american legion, didn't even speak about how the va is a disaster. i don't think you can compare and contrast the candidates without talking about how she's failed in specificity. >> anna, what did you think of his speech? >> look, i'm not supporting any candidate. that leaves me free to call it as i see it. i think he won the afternoon. at night, it was a disaster. it was the same trump we have seen for the last 16 months that showed up. >> meaning he was no longer the diplomat? >> we saw a quiet, a listening donald trump in the afternoon. we saw him feeding the fire, feeding the ire again at night. we also saw, as you say, the lack of specifics. if you were in law school, if you were in second year of law school and they ask you for an immigration class to put

together a legislative proposal and you showed up with that, you'd get an "f." what he did was put numbers in front of his campaign slogans. build a wall, number one. sanctuary cities, number two. he didn't discuss dreamers, spouses of u.s. citizens that may be undocumented. immigration is a very intricate topic with a great big -- >> i disagree. >> of course you disagree. >> i think donald trump's critics last week were saying that he wasn't strong enough on immigration. this week they're saying he's too strong on immigration. i think donald trump's critics are always going to be his critics. as far as specificity, he went chapter and verse a ten-point plan, addressing some of the things that are not new ideas, some are ideas that both parties agree on that have not been implemented. that's very specific. >> joe, do you think he expanded his base with that speech? many say that was more of the same and it was fiery. do you think he reached out to more people who were on the fence with that speech last night? >> a lot of people in this

country believe that immigration is a huge issue, driving this election. >> yes, but most people -- all the polls suggest that most people believe that those people who are here should not be betorted. >> if you think immigration is a big issue and you're using that as a litmus test for voting in the presidential election, there's two clear choices. there's donald trump's plan for immigration, which we heard. there's hillary clinton's 100-day amnesty for all. there's a clear choice. >> did he do what he had to, to accomplish reaching out to the people fence sitting? >> i don't think so. i think frankly from a political perspective, i think he does need to double down. he tried. i think he tested the waters. the reaction he got from his base was, we're giving you no wiggle room. you cannot fudge on this immigration issue. >> meaning when he seemed to soften on deportation and said it was going to be done humanely. >> exactly. he got quite a backlash. and frankly, he's not going to change the minds of latinos.

he's not going to change the minds of people who think he's a racist. the problem with donald trump is not his policies. you can disagree with people on policies. the problem with donald trump is donald trump. people are not going to forget in one week him questioning the citizenship of a judge born in indiana of mexican heritage. people are not going to forget in one week him calling mexicans rapists and criminals. people are not going to forget in one week him mocking a disabled person. people are not going to forget in one week him sending an outrageous i told you so tweet about the cousin of dwyane wade. he's not nothing to gain from changing policy other than losing supporters. >> his support amongst hispanics are at 41%. native born hispanic people are 30%. >> what poll is that? >> pugh and gallup. so i think there is some movement. the polls are narrowing. let's see what happens. >> ana, joseph.

thank you very much. coming up, we'll get reaction from hillary clinton's running mate tim kaine. he'll join us in our next hour. chris? >> i have to counter with this. in just minutes, we're going to speak with the former mexican president vicente fox. what did he think of the meeting with the president currently? what did he think about the speech last night? next. i have asthma... ...one of many pieces in my life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back on my long-term control medicine.

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i am going to create a new special deportation task force focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal, illegal immigrants in america who have evaded justice, just like hillary clinton has evaded justice, okay. maybe they'll be able to deport her. >> donald trump slamming hillary clinton during his major immigration speech last night. clinton hitting back, calling trump's speech the darkest yet and accusing him of, quote, pitting people against each other and demonizing immigrants.

let's discuss with democratic congressman jerry nadler. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> the problem is real. donald trump, yes, the celebrity, yes, the media hype, but him grabbing this issue with both hands catapulted his candidacy early on. it's a problem. people think not enough has been done. that is the momentum here. isn't that a fact, that there is a real problem, it hasn't been handled the way it needs to be. >> well, i don't know that. there is a problem, but we have been -- a lot of -- we have been doing a lot of things. unfortunately, deportations under this administration are way up from what they were before. we have increased our border security budget i think by something like 1400%. >> you say unfortunately. why unfortunately? >> because i think there have been too many deportations. but that's a different question. we have been enforcing the law much more rigorously than

previously. >> but you still have, by a shallow estimate, about 6 million people in this country who have criminal records of one kind or another that are undocumented. >> i think 6 million is way, way overboard. you can get -- >> well, wait. 6 million is overstayed visas and the criminals. but let's play with that number because -- but that's a lot of people. >> the number of people with any kind of serious crimes is in the tens of thousands, not the millions. number two, this kind of scapegoating, donald trump makes it sound -- he's scapegoating immigrants. he's making it sound like you have millions of illegal immigrants, undocumented aliens who are criminals running around, rapists, murderers. he had people there whose kids were victims. the fact is that undocumented aliens commit less crime -- fewer crimes per capita than people who are here.

immigration enforcement may be a problem, but it's not a criminal problem. the people who are here without documents commit crimes at a much lower rate or a substantially lower rate. >> look, we've heard this argument. what happened to katy is an exception, not the rule. but you still have 6 million people who have cheated the system and are here. how is that a way of looking at it as success? >> let me just say this. this kind of bigoted approach, you could take five or six people whose kids were victimized by jewish criminals or irish criminals or black criminals or italian criminals and say the aitalians, jews or blacks are the problem. that's appealing to bigotry. you're scapegoating the foreigners, especially the mexicans who are here, and saying they're the cause of the crimes. they're not. >> do you think that hillary clinton should have gone to mexico?

>> well, i think as secretary of state, she was mexico many times. >> do you think it was a mistake to allow trump to play to advantage and make this appeal that he can be presidential? >> no, the fact is he went down there because he's shown no ability to be presidential. he made a -- tried to sound reasonable for a few minutes with the president of mexico and then comes back here and makes a blood curdling speech, being as irresponsible and as bigoted as ever. >> why is it bigoted? >> it's bigoted because you're blaming a group of people for larger crimes. it's exactly the same thing as the fascists did in europe. the problems are all because of the jews. here, the problems are all because of the mexicans. the problems are all because of the irish in the 1850s.

now the count it's the same thing. you blame all the problems on a group of people who are not responsible for those problems. yes, there are people who commit crimes who are here illegally. but most crimes are committed by people who are here. >> another stick that he swung during his speech last night was about clinton's own problems with the law. obviously he's talking about the foundation. he's talking about the e-mails. do you believe that she's handled that situation well enough, or is that why it's dogging her in the polls? >> she's done what she could. she made a mistake, she's apologized. there's nothing else you can say, really. the fbi investigated, said that there were no crimes. and that's it. now, the fact of the matter is, the republicans, and trump in particular, but the republicans for 30 years have been bringing up alleged scandal after scandal, whitewater, travelgate, bengha benghazi, that have proven not to be anything. she did not wrong in benghazi

and those other things. but you throw enough mud against the wall, some get the impression she's not trustworthy. >> you're not concerned about what happened with the clinton foundation and the overlapping as secretary of state? >> the foundation, remember, is a foundation. trump said that she's benefitting from this. there's pay to play. foundation is not an income producing thing. foundation has been a tremendous charitable benefit, saves many lives of a.i.d.s. in africa and other places. as secretary of state, she meets with a lot of people. she met with a nobel prize winner who's a donor to the foundation. they're donating to a major charity, and she would meet with these people in any event. >> congressman jerry nadler, appreciate you making the case

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a lot of dancing from the campaigns this morning. did trump have a good day or not? was it good he went down there? did the speech help him last night or not? that's what it really is. you're getting all these different versions based on which campaign you're listening to. >> and which hour you're talking about. >> that's exactly right. it does flop around. let's bring in cnn political commentator and host of cnn's "smerconi "smerconish," michael smerconish. let's breakthrough all this. what's your straight take on the net effect of him going down and meeting with the mexican president and then the speech last night? >> the day was a wash. everything that he gained in the morning, he gave back at night. he gave a speech at night that was a ten. he knocked it out of the park. it was a ten for people who are already voting for him. but the tone of that speech isn't going to do him any favors

with my neighbors in suburbia and the republicans who have college degrees, with whom he's losing. that's the group with whom he needs to gain ground. i just don't see it. >> michael, let's break it apart. let's break apart the day. there was a bit of whiplash in terms of the persona and tone of donald trump. first, the visit to mexico where he stood at the podium with president pena nieto and they had that press conference. what did you think of that moment? >> i thought that was a good moment for trump. i thought it showed he could rein it in. this was him acting presidential. this is the side of donald trump, now that we're beyond pry marry a primary and caucus season, that he needs to show more of. he needs americans to be able to watch cnn, see that event, and think of him as a potential commander in chief. so as of the time that press availability ended, i said donald trump's having a good

day. >> to that w >> so that was a ten. >> well, i gave him a ten for the speech for his base. >> he needs to expand his base if he wants to be president. that's why they went through this odd morphing last week of trying to soften it up and see how that worked. obviously they decided to double down and make him what it is. so ten to the base doesn't wind up being a net effect of even a five or six for them, right, michael? >> you got it. chris, i'm wondering, have they done some kind of a calculus and have they said to themselves, we're not getting people of color, we're not getting african-americans. within ten days, barack obama is going to be out on the stump for hillary clinton. he'll mobilize that base. what we've got to do is maximize our core constituency. frankly, i don't think the numbers are there to enable that kind of a path to victory. as i watched last night and

listened to the tone and heard those ten points he was articulating and looked at that crowd, i said all he's doing is quadrupling down on people who are already for him. the demographics of the nation have shifted. >> first of all, no one told me there would be math in this segment, particularly not calculus. >> i'm on it. >> i know you're doing the long division over there. so the first part of the day was a win, where he looked presidential. then he came to arizona and he gave this speech. he laid out most clearly, or at least sort of condensed his plan for immigration. did you hear anything new in that plan or anything that jumped out at you? >> yes. something that jumped out at me was the absence, alisyn, of something that he said. i was watching the speech. i also had a transcript. i was reading the speech. i think i paid close attention. somebody please still tell me what happens to the, whatever the number is, whoever is here illegally because he quibbles about that number. i'm no expert.

if you're here and you're here illegally and you keep your nose clean, you don't break anymore laws, it sounds to me like you get to stay and live in the shadows. i didn't hear any conversation about a deportation force. i heard ten different steps, some overlapping, that he wants to take to contain the problem, but it sounded to me like the people who are here illegally will get to stay. >> it depends on how you categorize illegal because "the washington post" did an analysis on what he said last night. if you've overstayed your visa, so that can be qualified as illegal, and they believe there are 6 million people who fit into that category, or who have committed a crime. so they would have to go. >> maybe so. i didn't hear him speak of any mechanism whatsoever as to how he's going to pull that off. >> but if somebody cares about this issue, if this is top table for them when they go to vote, isn't it hard for clinton to justify the status quo and say,

you know, this is how it is, we're going to do better because -- or she has to make a full-throated appeal to do something that's much more progressive in terms of amnesty for people. if you think the problem is the status quo, how does she win on that? >> chris, i think the status quo is unacceptable. i'm trying to analyze this in terms of does he move the needle from a political standpoint. i thought bringing out, i believe he referred to them as angel moms at the end of the evening, was probably an effective part of his presentation. pardon me if i'm being repetiti repetitive. i think all the people to whom those remarks were appealing are already lined up in the trump category. we keep talking about the number of days. what is it, 70? >> 79. >> okay. it's actually a hell of a lot less because early voting, nearly a third of voters voted early in the last cycle. that starts in a matter of

weeks. so it's crunch time. where is the appeal to the people who live in suburbia who need to be in the trump column? >> michael smerconish, on that dangling participle, we'll wish you good-bye. thank you very much for all of the insight. >> math, no. grammar, always. >> indeed. so this man has been an outspoken critic of donald trump. so how does former mexican president vicente fox feel about trump's immigration speech and the mexican visit? he joins us next live. hmmmmmm..... hmmmmm... [ "dreams" by beck ] hmmmmm... the turbocharged dream machine. the volkswagen golf gti. named one of car and driver's 10best, 10 years in a row.

donald trump sticking to his hard line position on

immigration in a speech in phoenix last night. it was quite a different tone than when he was in mexico meeting with president enrique pena nieto. so listen to both of these. >> we did discuss the wall. we didn't discuss payment of the wall. that'll be for a later date. this was a very preliminary meeting. i think it was an excellent meeting. >> on day one, we will begin working on an impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful southern border wall. and mexico will pay for the wall. they don't know it yet, but they're going to pay for the wall. and they're great people and great leaders, but they're going to pay for the wall. >> all right. joining us now is the former president of the mexico, vicente fox. thanks so much for being here. >> it's been a pleasure. good morning, america. please wake up. >> good morning. great to see you. what did you think of donald

trump's visit to mexico? >> well, a fake. it really is incredible how a man can play with public opinions on both sides. he comes to mexico, he plays a totally different music, very diplomatic, very easy and soft talk. very noncontent. no content at all. he comes back to the states and then he comes back to his very old message. relying his whole campaign on that wall is incredible. the most jgigantic nation in th world, which is the united states, the largest economy is based on building a wall. that cannot be a presidential campaign. so let me speak very briefly

about the economic impact of this nonsense of building a wall, of throwing out 11 million mexicans that are hard working, in the united states, contributing to that economy. mexico contributes at least 10 million u.s. jobs for u.s. citizens for those who are backing up trump. mexico provides those jobs. so we have to quit our relationship because he is proposie ining that. my message is, please wake up, america. you have everything to lose and nothing to win with this false

prophet. >> president fox, did you think it was a mistake now in hindsight for president pena nieto to have invited trump? >> it certainly was. it was because very smartly trump took advantage on a very well program right before this meeting in arizona to present his immigration plan. an immigration plan is already right there in congress for u.s. approval. for approval from congressmen. and that's very sound, very solid. it solves the problem of 11 million undocumented, which by the way are working for american families, are working there in the united states in the construction industry, in farming, jobs that nobody else will take. >> do you know, as you sit there

today, who will pay for trump's idea of a wall? >> that's absolutely certain, we are not going to play for that "f," i'm going to be moderate today, that "f" wall. it's a crazy idea. i don't know why u.s. citizens, taxpayers accept that they will pay for the wall. they don't have an alternative. that wall is built, no way mexico will pay for it. we are a smaller nation than united states, but we have our pride, we have our dignity, and we have our ways of solving our own problems. he has to understand that north american region is the most powerful region in the world, and i'm including mexico. we're part of north america through nafta, and that's the

way the u.s. economy has become so strong. that's the way mexican economy has become so strong and retained here millions of mexican citizens that otherwise would have migrated. now they have a job. now they're working here in mexico. and united states has benefitted extensively by the amount of jobs that nafta has created and more so the profits that u.s. corporations have benefitted with. with a wall, u.s. corporations have a very great problem. i'm sure they'll begin unemployeeing people. it's stupid, this whole idea. i don't know why we discuss it so long and so frequently. this guy is absolutely crazy. >> but president, do you believe that president pena nieto spelled it out as clearly and as forcibly as you just did to donald trump, that mexico will not pay for the wall?

>> no, absolutely not. and that's why it was a mistake. i think that what happened is horrible for mexico and for president pena nieto. he is contributing to what this man is proposing. president pena is not representing the 120 million mexicans here and nor so will the hispanic mexicans there in the united states. so big mistake, historic mistake on the case of pena. also for trump. he's showing himself as he is, a liar. he is a liar. he's lying to u.s. borders, to u.s. followers, and he came to mexico to lie to mexican people.

he is totally wrong around his economic ideas. he remembers hoover. he came with exactly the same proposals. to tax imports from abroad and to limit companies and corporations to invest abroad. then the big depression came. this is what u.s. borders, followers of trump have to read. they have to learn about this. >> let's talk about donald trump's speech then after he left mexico in arizona where he laid out some of the points of what he calls his immigration plan. here are some of the main pillars. no amnesty, no path for citizenship. he says he will remove any criminals, anyone who's committed a crime in the u.s., and millions of the undocument who had have overstayed their visas. build that border wall that

mexico will pay for, as we've discussed. defund sanctuary cities, and rescind president obama's executive orders. in terms of deportation, do you understand, president fox, how donald trump's plan would work? >> impossible, impossible. there are reasonable legal ways of bringing order to that border. it's needed. i'm clear on that. we need order on people crossing. we need order on containers and truckloads crossing either way. we need order in that border in relation to guns, which trump is promoting that every u.s. citizen should have a gun. those are are the guns that are provoking violence here in mexico. what is united states doing about drugs crossing the border.

why it's not stopped right there on border. drugs are brought in because of the huge demand on drugs with united states. there are many problems around our relationship, but it has to be solved one by one and in a joint effort together, which we've been doing for years, for decades. the case of nafta is one of them. that's another contradiction. he said he would take united states economy out of nafta. now he says that we have to improve nafta. fortunately, this visit to mexico opened his eyes in a way. he learned for the first time what mexico's all about. it's not a land of exploitation, of businesses like his. it's a land of progress, of

development, of competitiveness, of educated people, of good people as a whole. this is the same mexicans that are in the united states. they are not criminals and of course, violence and crime has to be stopped in the united states, but it's not caused by mexicans, believe me. it's caused by altogether u.s. society. so, please, wake up, america. please, wake up, followers. please understand what these proposals mean to that great nation. i am a part of that nation. i am an immigrant myself. my grandfather migrated from united states, from cincinnati, ohio, back in 1895 to come and build his own american dream.

this is the way we should understand migration. it's a two-way street, but it has to be controlled, it has to be in order. we do that on the southern border. >> president vicente fox, thank you for all of your thoughts on donald trump and more. great to have you on "new day." >> great to -- >> our thanks to president fox. hillary clinton going on the attack, saying donald trump failed his first foreign test. her running mate, senator tim kaine, joins us live with his reaction next. you tell your insurance company they made a mistake.

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the picture. the picture. we're going to show you this picture that became one of the signature images of the '70s. do you remember this? newspaper heiress patty hurst, shocking the world two months after she was supposedly kidnapped. then this comes out. the question was obvious -- what happened with her? did she join her captors willingly? was this a setup? a lot of the questions went unsatisfied, if not unanswered. jeffrey toobin is author of "american heiress," of course, also cnn legal analyst, and he joins us now.

congratulations. >> thank you, sir. >> four weeks on the best-seller list. >> yes, sir. >> what do you think drives the interest in this? >> because it's a mystery, just the mystery you set up. here you have this woman, privileged, wealthy, 19 years old. she gets kidnapped in a horrifying, violent way. but within just seven weeks, she announces that she has become tanya. she's changed her name. and she participates in a bank robbery in san francisco. at that point, she then goes on the run with the sla for a year and a half, commits an extraordinary series of crimes, two more bank robberies, shoots up a street. and the question is, is she a victim or is she a perpetrator? >> so, and then there became these tangential points of curiosity. the first is who took her? this symbianies liberation army. what did that even mean? >> donald defrees, an escaped

prisoner from soledad prison, coined the term and invented -- the word was symbiosis, you know, coming together, and he turned it into an adjective. he called it an army, even though at most it had a dozen people in it. >> so, symbionese didn't come from anywhere it doesn't mean anything. >> yeah, there's no such place. >> and it being a fake army worked in its favor, right, made it harder to detect because there was no reach or connection. >> and they were so extreme. their first act was assassinating the school superintendent in oakland, california, an act that was so appalling that the black panthers, the weather underground condemned it. so, the sla was so isolated, it made it harder -- it made them harder to catch, which was one reason they were on the run for a full year and a half. >> and then the speculation was, okay, if patty hearst, who's assumed at 19 to be sure vulnerable -- >> certainly. >> -- but somewhat a good kid,

you know, a family, the father, the big newspaper man. she's at berkeley college. then they must have brainwashed her. you say not so fast. >> well, you know, brainwashing is a journalistic term. it's not a medical term. and same thing with stockholm syndrome. what i try to do in the book is look at what she did as opposed to what label you want to apply to it. and frankly, what i see in her behavior is that she was a rational person. she was a 19-year-old kid, isolated, unhappy in her engagement to her boyfriend, steven weed, didn't get along with her mother, either, and -- >> wasn't he older? wasn't he -- >> not that much older, about four years older. he was a graduate student in philosophy. >> but she got sideways with the family on that, right? she moved in with him? >> exactly, living in sin. and if you look at how they approached her once she was captured, it wasn't brainwashing in a north korean sense, but it was just talking to her. it was explaining to her that

they were out to feed the poor, which is what they did at first, and how the fbi was the real threat to them, not the sla themselves. and gradually, and then not so gradually, she did become a member of the sla. >> so, what do you want to tee up for people, because i didn't get to talk to you before we talked about this today, so i don't know, what's the pitch? why should they read this? >> you know, the '70s. i was alive in the '70s, but i was a kid. but the thing that's shocking to me was how bad the '70s were in the united states. think about this one fact -- 1,000 political bombings a year in the united states. could you imagine what cable news and the internet would do with 1,000 bombings a year? but in that era, people didn't know just how violent things were. two hijackings a month in the early '70s. the sla was an aberration, but

it wasn't that much of an aberration. this was a country coming apart at the seams. and patty's experience as, you know, between the two worlds, between the good-girl world, as you say, and the world of revolutionary violence, was kind of a perfect metaphor for how crazy the country was going. and to this day people are still arguing about what side she was really on. >> jeffrey toobin, perfect man for the job. >> thank you, sir. >> congratulations on the success. can't wait to read it. >> all righty, man. all right, we're following a lot of news, including a live interview with hillary clinton's running mate, tim kaine. let's get to it. >> are you ready? we will build a great wall. >> he lies every other minute of the day. >> i call it extreme vetting, right? it's going to be so tough. >> trying to make up for a year of insults by dropping in on our neighbors for a few hours. that is not how it works.