it wasn't that much of an aberration. this was a country coming apart at the seams. and patty's experience as, you know, between the two worlds, between the good-girl world, as you say, and the world of revolutionary violence, was kind of a perfect metaphor for how crazy the country was going. and to this day people are still arguing about what side she was really on. >> jeffrey toobin, perfect man for the job. >> thank you, sir. >> congratulations on the success. can't wait to read it. >> all righty, man. all right, we're following a lot of news, including a live interview with hillary clinton's running mate, tim kaine. let's get to it. >> are you ready? we will build a great wall. >> he lies every other minute of the day. >> i call it extreme vetting, right? it's going to be so tough. >> trying to make up for a year of insults by dropping in on our neighbors for a few hours. that is not how it works.

>> while hillary clinton has been in hiding, donald trump is doing what leaders do. >> we will break the cycle. there will be no amnesty. >> he basically says america's going to be deportation nation, but when he's looking the leader of mexico in the eye, he can't bring himself to say it. >> mexico will pay for the wall. they're going to pay for the wall. on day one. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alison cam rottie. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day." up first, donald trump laying out his latest immigration plan in a fiery speech, vowing that under a trump presidency, there will be no amnesty or path to citizenship for millions of undocumented immigrants. >> but it is a tale of two trumps, a diplomatic and measured trump on display in mexico when he met with the country's president, trump insisting that they didn't discuss who would pay for the border wall. mexico's president says that's

not true. so, let's begin in cnn's sun lan severalie in washington. >> donald trump returned to the tough talk we knew from his primary campaign, declaring no amnesty, calling for a wall, saying mexico will pay for that wall, but he still did not give a definitive answer about what to do with those people who are undocumented living in the u.s. who are not criminals. >> there will be no amnesty. >> reporter: donald trump recommitting to a fired-up, no-mercy stance on illegal immigration. >> for those here illegally today who are seeking legal status, they will have one route and one route only, to return home and apply for re-entry like everybody else under the rules of the new legal immigration system. >> reporter: the billionaire vowing to swiftly expel millions

who have overstayed their visas and undocumented criminals. >> i am going to create a new special deportation task force focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal illegal immigrants in america who have evaded justice, just like hillary clinton has evaded justice, okay? maybe they'll be able to deport her. >> reporter: insisting he will detain and remove anyone caught crossing the border. >> we are going to end catch-and-release. >> reporter: and force other countries to take back their citizens who have been ordered to leave the u.s. >> there are at least 23 countries that refuse to take their people back after they've been ordered to leave the united states. not going to happen with me, folks. not going to happen with me. >> reporter: and declaring he will block funding from the 300-plus so-called sanctuary cities across the country. >> cities that refuse to

cooperate with federal authorities will not receive taxpayer dollars. >> reporter: but trump is not saying how he would deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the u.s. >> only the out-of-touch media elites think the biggest problem facing american society today, and you know this, is that there are 11 million illegal immigrants who don't have legal status. >> reporter: as for anyone who wants to live and work here -- >> to choose immigrants based on merit. merit. skill. and proficiency. >> reporter: trump says they will be up against extreme investigating. >> we are going to suspend the issuance of visas to anyplace where adequate screening cannot occur. another reform involves new screening tests for all applicants that include an ideological certification to

make sure that those we are admitting to our country share our values and love our people. >> reporter: trump also renewing his commitment to build a wall along the u.s. border with mexico. >> and mexico will pay for the wall. believe me. 100%. they don't know it yet, but they're going to pay for the wall. >> reporter: hours earlier, a more measured and softer tone on display as trump met with mexican president enrique pena nieto. >> we did discuss the wall. we didn't discuss payment of the wall. >> reporter: but after trump lefthe country, president pena nieto disputes that, tweeting, "from the start of the conversation, i made it clear, mexico will not pay for that wall." and the mexican president added to that in an interview late wednesday. he said that he believes some of the positions donald trump has taken are a threat to mexico. now the clinton campaign, meantime, are responding to trump's speech, saying in part, "he showed us very clearly what's at stake in this election by painting a picture of his

idea of america, one in which immigrants are not welcomend one in which innocent families are torn apart." chris? >> all right, appreciate it, sunlen. joining us now with more on that speech and trump's visit to mexico is democratic vice presidential nominee senator tim kaine from virginia. senator, good to have you. >> hey, chris. good to be with you. >> so, do you think that hillary and/or you should have gone to mexico? and do you think letting trump go wound up allowing him to play to advantage? >> you know, chris, hillary has spent time with president pena nieto, and i have been to mexico within the last 16 months as a member of the senate foreign relations committee. hillary's paid many visits there. hillary yesterday thought it was important to give a speech to the american legion, to go to talk to that prominent veterans organization about the role of america in the world. so that's what she was doing while donald trump did kind of a photo op fly-by, where he didn't even have the nerve at the last minute to bring up this issue

about the wall. this is the central piece of his campaign, immigration and deportation, and we're going to build a wall and make mexico pay for it. but when he looked president pena nieto in the eye, he couldn't even bring that up. that was a choke, and i think it shows that diplomacy is not for amateurs. donald trump's an amateur. >> but isn't diplomacy about the soft sell? if he had gone in there and looked at pena nieto and said you're going to pay for that wall, whether you like it or not, wouldn't you have jumped on top of him saying look how harsh he is, you can't trust him in these kind of sensitive situations? >> i think diplomacy is primarily about honesty and candor and standing up for the values that you believe in. so, donald trump's been saying for months, we're going to build a wall and mexico's going to pay for it. if he really believed that, when he was sitting down with president pena nieto, why not even bring that up? then he goes back, and then to the hometown audience, he gives this fiery speech, language of division, you know. this is the language that

everybody has used against every immigrant group. no irish need apply. they used it against the irish. they used it against italians. they used it against jews from eastern europe. this is a language that there's a segment of demagogues have used. it's language of division. we're not going to be a great nation by being deportation nation. 11 million people. plus donald trump has said he wants to take american citizenship away from 5 million kids who have been born in this country. so let's make it 16 million people. we're not going to be great by having a deportation task force to kick 16 million people out of this country. >> you don't believe it's a winning strategy on the issue, harshness aside, to say look, they're here illegally. they've broken the law. you either respect the law or you don't. >> i think the winning strategy that americans want to see is a reform of the immigration system, which hasn't been reformed since 1986. and there are bipartisan principles, you know, in 2013 in

the senate we did a bipartisan bill. hillary has said in the first 100 days we're going to sit down, and 30 years after the date of the last immigration reform under president reagan, we're going to basically put these pillars in place, and the pillars will be give employers the tools to check the i.d. status of employees, create a difficult and rigorous path for people who are willing to pay taxes, follow the law, get a background record check, to work over a period of years to earn the right to citizenship, and do border security. we had significant border security in the senate bill we passed in june of 2013. we could have been doing that now, except the republican house refused to take up the bill or do their own bill. we need to push to do a comprehensive reform. it's not about deportation, it's about a comprehensive reform that can help our economy grow and that is true to our nation's values. >> well, deportation will have to be a part of it, right? i mean, even under the obama administration you've had a record under of deportations,

depending on how you -- >> yeah, prioritize the deportation of violent criminals. that's something that we definitely think is important. and look, if you're trying to deport 16 million people, you're not focused on the deportation of the people who are violent, who pose the most risk. we want to focus that energy on the folks who cause the greatest risk to public safety, not have these deportation squads that are going to be separating families. it's an unrealistic plan, and i think donald trump knows that it's not going to work. and that's why today there's been reports that his key, many of his key hispanic advisers are now separating themselves from the campaign because of what he said last night. >> what about sanctuary cities? >> look, i was a mayor and i was a governor. i trust the voters of communities to hold their mayors and their police departments responsible. when donald trump kind of goes after these phantom sanctuary cities and talks about how bad they are, basically what he's going after is police chiefs.

and i trust police chiefs in terms of knowing what should be done to keep their communities safer and police departments and mayors a lot more than i trust donald trump. >> but why do you say phantom? you know that there are places that refuse to cooperate with i.c.e. and they have their assembly of different reasons for why they do it, but sanctuary cities are real. they exist. they're not phantom. and a lot of people believe that, you know, you have those people being rewarded for not working hand in hand with i.c.e. >> let me give you an example from when i was governor. there was a program back then where some cities were joining in a program with i.c.e. to essentially be deputized to do the work of the immigration service. my law enforcement officials, who are tough law enforcement people, came to me and said do not do this, because if the immigrant community starts to sees us as immigration officials, they won't call and complain about crimes in their neighborhood, they won't be witnesses in cases. instead what you need to do is work with the community to

protect and serve them and let i.c.e. do their job. and so, we also had a rule that when somebody was in prison or jail and their sentence was coming up, we would let i.c.e. know about them if they weren't a citizen. i.c.e. could make the decision about whether or not they would want to take action. but the notion that you turn police departments against immigrant communities actually make -- in the eyes of most police officials makes the police less able to do their job to prevent crime. >> let me play you some sound from trump of what he accuses your campaign of when it comes to this issue of immigration, because it's getting so much attention right now. >> yep. >> then let me have you respond point by point. here it is. >> president obama and hillary clinton support sanctuary cities. they support catch and release on the border. they support visa overstays. they support the release of dangerous, dangerous, dangerous criminals from detention.

and they support unconstitutional executive amnesty. >> now, some of those wind up folding into the concept of what sanctuary cities do, that catch-and-release concept, visa overstays, which winds up falling into that same category of when the localities pick up these cases, that they don't want to make or they don't want to be able to hold people that long without any reprieve from the federal government, and then dangerous times three, criminal detention, that those people wind up getting let go of the same way. how do you defend that proposition? >> look, what we support, chris, is comprehensive immigration reform. and this is something that hillary clinton has said we're going to do in the first 100 days of the administration. the basic pillars are going to be somewhat similar to the bipartisan bill that the senate did in 2013. the details will be different because we're going to be working it out with the house. but we need to do a comprehensive reform after 30 years. and you know, the sad thing about this is if the house had just acted back in 2013, we

could have had border security, we could have had help for employers, we could have had a hard and rigorous path to citizenship for those who are willing to play by the rules and pay taxes. that's the kind of reform that the american public wants. that's the kind of reform that we're going to deliver. and that is a huge contrast between a donald trump idea, which is the core of it is build a wall and deport millions and millions of people. i think he knows that's not going to happen. i think he was too embarrassed even to bring it up because it wouldn't pass the straight face test when he met with president pena nieto. and you know, i think he's perpetrating kind of a con and a line on people by saying this, and he's showing that he is a person who is more interested in dividing us than uniting us. but there is a way to reform our system, and we're going to work to reform it in a way that is in accordance with our values. >> there is criticism of the campaign that you should be much farther ahead, especially after

the month that trump has had. and the question then becomes why not? certainly there are big unfavorables for hillary clinton at this point, about 59%. trump is about 60%, depending on the poll. another criticism is that you're playing his game too much, senator, that you spend a lot of time talking about trump instead of making the kind of positive case that you guys made during the convention that gave you your biggest bump so far. what do you make of that? >> well, look, when we went into the conventions, it was essentially a dead heat. when we came out of the conventions and then it settled down after the bump, we feel good about where we are nationally and in the key battleground states. but you're right, it's close. this is not going to be easy. and i've never for a minute, from the time i encouraged hillary clinton to run in april of 2014, never for a minute have i thought this was going to be smooth sailing. i thought this was going to be a tough, tough campaign, and that's why we're out making the case every day. and i'll say this, chris, we came right out of the convention talking about jobs, and that's what i talk about everywhere i

go. the difference between a hillary clinton jobs plan and a donald trump jobs plan and what the independent economists who look at the two plans say about it. the clinton plan will lead to an economy that's grown by 10.5 million jobs at the end of a first term, and a trump plan will lead to an economy that is in recession and has lost 3.5 million jobs. and this is the moody's economic analysis firm that is not partisan. it's a difference between a you're hired president and a you're fired president. we do talk about the policy differences that are significant on the issues that americans care the most about. >> why do you think that trump is getting traction out of the idea that hillary clinton is hiding, that you guys, yes, you're doing your rallies, but you don't do press conferences, you don't come on the media and do interviews like this as often as he and his team do. it's getting some traction, not just with us. why do you think that is? >> yeah, well, you know, whether

it's getting traction -- let me just go to it. hillary talks to the press every day and so do i. hillary isn't hiding. i heard in a clip before i came on, you know, one of the trump spokesperson said while hillary clinton was hiding, donald trump went to mexico. hillary was talking to the american legion yesterday! one of our country's proudest veterans organizations. in columbus. is talking to the american legion hiding? she did a press conference within the last month when she spoke to the national organization of african-american and hispanic publishers where there were mainstream media members who are part of that press conference who asked her questions. we talk to the press every day. we're on the trail making the case every day. now, donald trump can say whatever he wants about it, and he's going to, but we're out making our case and we're talking to the press while we're doing it. >> senator kaine, thank you for joining us on "new day." appreciate it. >> you bet, chris. great to be with you, man. >> always. let's get perspective from the other side.

what is trump's immigration plan exactly, and what's missing from it? a trump campaign adviser joins us next to break it all down. get back to great. this week 50% off all backpacks. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great.

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our values and love our people! >> donald trump insisting a trump administration would pick and choose the immigrants permitted to enter the u.s. based on a series of extreme vetting requirements. here to discuss trump's immigration plan is trump adviser and former director of the defense intelligence agency, retired lieutenant army general michael flynn. hi, general. >> hi, allison, how are you doing? >> we heard donald trump say in his speech ideological certification. what is that? >> i think what we have to recognize is that people that come to this country come to this country because they want to live under our constitution and basically live under the value system that the american idea is about. and i think that's really what we're talking about. >> what would that look like, ideological certification? >> yeah, i mean, i think the details of it -- i'm not going to sit here and tell you that there's a set plan right now, but i would just say that when we look at people that come into

this country, one of the things that we have to do is make sure that they understand what it is that we are about, that the united states is about. and i think that's why people want to come to this country. i think that that's why they want to come in droves to this country. but i think the idea of coming here legally, under some methodology that we have in place that allows people to understand what america is all about, the ideals and the principles and the values that our country was built upon, you know, for many, many centuries now. >> don't immigrants already have to take a test about our constitution? don't we already ask them about their mind-set and their ideology? >> yeah, so, i think that the legal process that we have right now, obviously, is broken down. it's just not working. and i think that we don't even, as donald trump said last night, we really don't even know how many illegal immigrants are in this country right now. so there has to be a much more

structured legal process. it has to be absolutely relooked. i mean, it's not working and, if anything, it's probably too slow in how it works. so we've got to -- >> in terms of vetting people, it's too slow. >> yeah in terms of vetting people. and also this notion of -- you know, i think that the real issue, and this is where i think the difference is -- the democratic party in this country wants to bring refugees into this country for the democratic party, not for america. and i think that that's also something that we see also for the african-american community and the latin american community. >> let's explain what you mean by that, because i mean, aren't you founded on bring us your tired, your hungry, your poor? >> absolutely. absolutely. >> so, hillary clinton has called for 65,000 syrian refugees. they need help. >> they need help, but you know, i mean, i think the other side of that is what are the countries in the middle east doing for these people as well? so i mean, it's not just -- you know, we really have to take a hard look at who these people are and where they're coming from and how can we understand

who they are if there is absolutely no documentation? so, do we just all of a sudden bring 10,000 people here, plop them in somebody's backyard? i mean, in who's backyard? is it in new york? is it in indiana? is it in california? and then how do we then, you know, smartly, very thoroughly and methodically vet them to understand who they are? are they able to sassimilate ino our country? and at some point in time, if they cannot become legalized, how do we return them to their country of origin? there's so much going on here, and our problem is that we don't have a plan. there is no plan. it's just take them, drop them in somebody's backyard -- >> well, not exactly. they are vetted. there is vetting -- >> how is that? >> it takes 18 months for a syrian refugee to get from here to there because of all the questions they have. they go through the u.n., the state department. there is vetting that exists now. >> so, take a look at the vetting processes. i'm telling you, the vetting

processes are not that good. you've heard our department of homeland security and many, many others in the law enforcement community that have said we cannot do a proper, thorough vetting of the people coming in here. frankly, there's too many. and allison, we're talking about 10,000 here when we have the problem with 10 million. i mean, we don't -- again, we have a massive, massive problem in our country that is causing our own country to have national security problems internally. >> okay, so, 10,000 syrian refugees this year have been admitted and 10 million is the number you're using for the undocumented immigrants. >> we don't even know. illegal. illegal. illegal. the undocumented is a politically correct way of saying illegal. >> they are not here legally because they had overstayed their visas in many cases. i mean, there are 6 million, estimated. >> that's illegals. >> fine. what is the deportation force idea? how do you get them out? >> how do you get them out where? >> out of the country, what donald trump is calling for. >> yeah, i think it's just -- it's a great idea. it is a task forcelike effort that's led by very professional

people in the law enforcement community and the legal community. and i think in sort of the homeland security umbrella, under a homeland security umbrella, and really working with the attorney general's office, i mean, the department of justice, so there is a range of sort of interagency cooperation that's going to have to happen to be able to bring together this notion of, and then to prioritize who it is. so those that we know that have committed crimes already, and in some cases they are in custody, in other cases they're not in custody but our law enforcement professionals at local and state know where they are. so we can go after certain individuals in some sort of priority and begin to move them back to their countries of origin, because it's not just mexico. these are people that are coming from all over the world, but they're cutting through the southern border primarily. >> absolutely. so, the plan is with donald trump to go to their homes with a deportation force and take them? and how do you get their country to accept them back again? >> so, you're talking about

going and finding people who are here illegally. >> yes. >> so, they're here breaking the law. >> sure. >> and you take them and you arrest them or you detain them, however -- >> deportation force. >> however you want to do it, however you want to call it, and then you return them to their country of origin. and that has to be determined based on where they're from. >> but you and donald trump think that it will be easier than what i.c.e. is currently doing? >> i think what i.c.e. needs to do is i.c.e. needs to be -- and as donald trump said, he talked last night about tripling the size of i.c.e. i mean, i.c.e. needs help. the customs and border protection needs help. our law enforcement community needs help and the resources to be able to do some of this, but absolutely. i mean, the folks in i.c.e., and i know many of them, they are not only underresourced, but they're ready to do this. they've just not been allowed to do it. >> general flynn, thank you for explaining where you and donald trump are with immigration. nice to have you here. >> nice to be here. thanks. >> chris? no big surprise, there is an

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the eyes of the world watching donald trump's every move, from his trip that was hastily planned to meet mexico's president yesterday, to the details of his immigration plan. so, how are world leaders seeing trump's diplomacy at work? joining us now is the host of cnn's "fareed zakaria gps," fareed zakaria. thank you for joining us. >> pleasure. >> what was the reaction to trump's visit? >> first of all, headlines everywhere. the fascinating thing about donald trump is whatever you may say, he dominates the news, not just in the united states but around the world. for all those who say we pay too much attention, so does the bbc, so does australian news, even in india, which is fairly parochial in its news. in general, this particular move, it was more fascination. the really interesting reaction was in mexico, where the mexicans by and large were very critical of the mexican

president for having invited trump. now, it should be said, pena nieto has very low approval ratings anyway now, but i think a lot of people in mexico wondered why the mexican president would give trump this platform, this photo op, you know. when you have a situation where you have a man like donald trump who has insulted the country, insulted the people, and very specifically charged the mexican government with intentionally sending across rapists and murderers, this is something trump said after that famous speech at trump tower. he was asked to clarify, and he said i mean the mexican government is intentionally doing this. >> so, why do you think he did it? there is some speculation, reporting here from cnn that it was to shore up foreign investment to let people know that by extending this invitation to he and hillary clinton that mexico can work with whoever it is. don't pull out your money, we'll be okay. >> you know, my tendency with politicians is to accept that

often incompetence is the better answer than some grand, clever conspiracy. i think it was a mistake. i think maybe he thought that this was a way of showing that he was statesmanlike, that he could work with whomever he needed to. you know, mexican foreign investors aren't, i think, stupid enough to base investment decisions on a photo op. i think that it was a miscalculation because, you know, trump has basically used mexico as a pinata doll, to bash it when he wanted. now he's using it as a photo op to try to shore up his, you know, his poll numbers, particularly with soccer moms and kind of moderate white voters. so why pena nieto would do this and provide him with this platform is a mystery. it strikes me as a miscalculation. it has, if anything, further weakened his own poll numbers in mexico. remember, bibi netanyahu refused to meet with trump. when trump wanted to go to

israel and create a kind of photo op out of it, netanyahu realized that trump was so radioactive that it was probably not a good idea to get in the middle of it. mexico as far as i know is the only country that has invited donald trump to do this, and to give him the two podiums and the feeling of presidential -- >> and those optics, do you agree with many of our pundits today that was a win for trump? trump looked diplomatic, he looked -- he was bigger, you know, optically than president pena, and he looked measured and presidential. >> absolutely. there's no question this was a win for trump. look, in these kind of visits, if you remember when mitt romney went abroad, you can screw it up by saying something stupid, as romney did when he went to the olympics and sort of implied that they didn't have their act together. but mostly, it's just the visuals that matter. you are, after all, not the president. you are not a statesman. and when you go abroad, if you are given the optic of treatment

of statesman, you have the podium next to the president, you have the handshakes, the coming out of the limo, that's all that matters. nothing else matters. what we say at the background has no impact. it's just the photo op, and it was very powerful. >> immigration. let's focus on that, because obviously, that's what won the day in terms of what was driving the campaign yesterday. from a global perspective, who's on the right side of this issue, trump or clinton? trump being, listen, if they're here illegally, you've got to get them out, they're a threat. and clinton, who seems to represent the let's embrace whoever is there, assimilate them into the society, whether you want to call it amnesty or anything else. let's not be an us-and-them nation. who's on the right side? >> it's a great question. in most countries, the energy right now is with the anti-immigrant forces. you can see that in europe, even in places like australia, where suddenly there is a new anti-immigrant movement which had sort of died out for the

last two decades. but the whole world has always regarded america as different, you know, because america is a country of immigrants. america is a place where, you know, 100 years ago, mr. trump's ancestors and, you know, yours, and nobody had any papers. i mean, whoever could get here on their own and managed to make a life here was allowed to fully participate in america. so, there's always been a sense that america handles immigration differently. it's often been a situation which people have told me that we wish our -- these are foreigners -- we wish our country could do something like that, but we can't. so, america is very distressingly, in trump's vision of america to my mind, it's becoming just like the rest of the world. so yeah, there are a lot of anti-immigrant right-wing forces around the world that celebrate trump, but they're celebrating trump because what he is advocating is a kind of european attitude towards immigration, which is we are a country

founded on blood and soil and, you know, anyone who doesn't look or feel or sound like us is suspicious and unwelcome. that's never been the american way. the american way has always been, you know, we try to encourage everybody to come. of course, there are rules, and of course, people should abide by them, but we have generally had that larger generosity of spirit about it. and so, i think the world, most of the world looks at that and says, hey, is america changing? is it becoming just like every other country in the world? >> fareed zakaria, always great to talk to you. thank you so much for being here. you can watch fareed's interview with president obama. that will be -- >> him? >> we haven't spoken about him today, but you did and you sat down with him. we can see it sunday at 10:00 a.m. eastern on cnn. look forward to ha. we're also following weather for you. tropical storm hermine is gathering hurricane strength. it's causing flooding. it's barreling toward the coast. who's going to get hit and when? next. you both have a perfect driving record.

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will allen gave up his life and family to join the buddha field.

now some former members call it a cult, still active today in hawaii. we have a preview of the cnn film "holy hell," about the group. here it is. >> he was contemporary. he wasn't some little, old man with a gray beard sitting in a dodi. he was wearing speedos and ray bands, you know, and he was dancing and he was doing, you know, contemporary music. >> he spoke four or five languages. he was amazingly humorous, witty. >> very playful, like a child. he could do something, like oh, my god, i can't believe you just did that! he could dance, he was artistic. he was all those things we wanted to be. >> he was unlike anyone i had met before. he encouraged me to drop all my ideas of what i thought i was supposed to be. >> i finally felt like i was on the right path. i attended every meeting, every group outing we would take and even went to michelle's weekly individual hypnotherapy sessions, cleanseings. i really felt like something important was happening in my life.

>> the film's director is named will allen, and he spent 22 years of his life following the buddha fields guru from california to aust everyone and finally to hawaii. he joins us now. it is good to see you here and well. >> thank you. >> this is your film. this is your experience. not easy for you to watch even the clip. why? >> it's okay to watch the clip. you know, it's a long story. it's a 20-year story, so i break it down into five-year spots. and so, it gets harder and harder as the time goes by, and that was a happy period. >> why did you make this film? >> i made this film because i wanted to tell something that was a true experience that i lived, you know. you have to speak what you know, and this is something i lived through, and i wanted to hide it, and there's a lot of shame around it. it's not easy to talk about things that go bad in your life. and i did it for my friends and my family of people who went through this, who suffered a lot. it's a healing process. >> and how do you deal with the

basic proposition of from the uninitiated, which is i would never do something like that? what kind of people join something like this? >> right, right. well, we weren't wearing prairie dresses, we weren't chasing ufos, we weren't wearing heavy guns. so, a lot of cults that were -- you have to get out from underneath that word because it's more of a group think. it's more of a human condition where you all buy into the same belief system. it's a religion, in a way. it's the beginning of a religion. i wanted to explore how religions start, you know, how people give power away. and it was interesting to me ho figure out how do we stay? because when i'd meet new people and new friends, we'd be like, wow, the 22-year thing was the hardest thing to understand, and that was the thing that's most interesting to me is how we stayed, why. >> and what do you come up with? >> well, i made this film, i think, to best express that, you know. it's a difficult answer. and i wanted people to go on that journey with us. even if they wouldn't have done it in real life, to try to see the human part of it and how it

applies to them in parts of their life. >> and you described this as saying, you know, when something goes bad in your life. >> yeah. >> why did this go bad in your life? >> this went bad because we were following one man. he was guiding us. he was our therapist, our hypnotherapist, our pastor or religious counselor and our debut you, so to speak. we used those words. and we gave all our power away. when you give your power away to anyone -- i mean, hopefully, you give it away to your spouse or you know, you share power with people in your life, but when you give it away to somebody who really doesn't have your best interests in mind -- it took us a long time to understand that. it took us a long time to see him, his narcissistic tendencies and to separate that from his spiritual privileges we gave him carte blanche with us. >> and how did it manifest in day-to-day life? like you know, how did life work in the group? >> well, that was the beautiful part is despite the teacher, who was a bit of an oppressor and

suppressor in our lives, he also created a really great environment for all of us to get really close with each other, learn about each other, be real and raw and work through our problems and live joyfully with each other. so we had a microcosm of the outside world but without the outside world. and that was really refreshing and -- >> how did you eat and live? >> well, i lived with him for 18 years. so my food was cooked and given to me. but everybody else worked and ate really well. we were encouraged to be healthy and work out all the time and eat organic food. we were doing gluten-free and sugar-free back in the '80s and the '90s, you know, when it wasn't quite, you know, there wasn't a whole food -- >> right, it wasn't like it is now. so, if part of this audience are people who are thinking about joining a group like that or are part of buddhafield right now -- >> right now? >> what do you want to say to them? >> well, there's not much you can say to anyone who is with him now. they are like we were back then,

completely defending him, believing everything he says, not acknowledging. the thing is, with people around him now, there's very few people who have been around him the extent that i have. and it's like a periphery. it's like, people on the outside don't know really what's going on at the top and in the middle. so they just believe everything he says. so i don't really -- i'm not concerning myself with what they think or how they feel because they're under the impression of him -- it's like a, you know, i don't want to call him names, but he's been diagnosed as a narcissistic sociopath. we used to diagnose him as an enlightened being, like he's enlightened, and that's what he self-proclaims. >> will allen, a very intriguing topic. >> yeah. >> people always have questions about it. >> yeah. >> there's a mystery to it. hopefully, you've opened some eyes. thank you for being with us. >> thanks, chris. >> the show, "hoeffel "holy hel p.m. eastern only on cnn. how about we end up with some good stuff? next. that was it. now i have nicoderm cq. the nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release

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sergeant swenson stopped him. the police officer saw tanner walking, and when he asked where he was going, he realized it was miles away and swenson wanted to help, so he teamed one a local store and they surprised tanner with a bike. >> growing up, you see a cop, you would avert your eyes and try to walk away pretty much. now it's not exactly like that. it's like they're helpful? >> there you go. now he knows the police are helpful. that's a wonderful gesture they just did. thank you for that "good stuff." time for "newsroom" with carol costello. >> have a good day. thank you very much. "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom," donald trump lays out his immigration plan to make america great again. >> zero tolerance for criminal aliens. zero. zero. >> and also to m