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donald trump and hillary clinton making news on the campaign trail tonight. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. here to discuss three talk show hosts, chris seagal of philly, john fredericks and mr. madison, are you doing all right? >> i'm always glad to be with you. thank you. >> hello to all of you. joe, first to you. liston secretary clinton at a fund-raiser here in new york tonight. >> you know, to just be grossly

generalistic, you could put half of trump supporters into what i call the basket of deplorables. right? the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, you name it. but that other basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down. nobody cares about them. >> it would be interesting to hear what she said about that. do you think that she should have said that, joe, basket of deplorables, racists, sexists -- >> i think in the last segment someone should she shouldn't have said half or i don't know if she should have said one-third or you could have put ten people. there have been some deplorable people that even donald trump has had to denounce. we had to force him to denounce david duke and others.

but let's understand one thing, she probably obviously was not speaking literally, it was figuratively. and, secondly, this is what you do and say at fund-raisers. you are with -- it's almost like being a cheerleader. it's like being with your crowd. and you think this is something, you wait until you get to a republican fund-raiser. you'll have the same thing said about liberals, about progressives. this is what people do at fund-raisers. >> but, chris, i have to ask you, though, you remember when donald trump says, you know, said that he was -- he could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and he got a lot of flak for that. do you think it's similar? >> actually, what this reminds me of, this reminds me of mitt romney's 47% comment caught at a fund-raiser and it was devastating. i didn't hear this until i was

on the way in to do your show tonight, don. i have to tell you, the trump people would be smart to run this in an ad often. i don't know that i've ever heard a candidate define voters with such pejoratives. you can call him a racist, sexist, xenophobic but to call his supporters, half of them names? that could be terminal for her. that could be a big error tonight. >> i've heard donald trump and i play this on my show almost every day. i heard donald trump and i can give you the clip if you want, i'll be glad to send it to you, saying i love stupid people. and he was talking about his supporters. >> he said i love the uneducated. >> well, uneducated, stupid. i love the uneducated people. let me tell you, who calls their supporters uneducated? who does that? we don't want uneducated people making uneducated decisions like voting for donald trump. so be very careful when you

bring that up because that clip is out there and if hillary clinton's people are smart, they'll play that every day during the campaign. >> what he did not say is i love hillary clinton's stupid people, i love the stupid people that support hillary clinton. far different than saying the people that support my opponent are racist and xenophobic and blah, blah, blah. >> you don't call your own supporters uneducated. >> john, you're sitting there and you're awfully quiet. is this like when president obama talked about bitter people in pennsylvania clinging to their guns and religion? ing that hurt him. do you think it's going to hurt her? >> look, don, the clinton campaign right now is in free fall, dead panic in brooklyn. they don't know what to do. they're delusional. they have to get up every day. they don't have any idea what e-mails are going to get out there. what wikileaks is going to do. right now, trump is surging all over the country. i was the first one in america

to predict he was going to be the republican nominee and i'm predicting he's going to win on november 8th. >> everybody's been the first by the way. i'm not saying that you're revising history, but a lot of people have been. go ahead. >> if you saw mrs. clinton tonight, that was a desperate attempt to frame trump's backers, calling them stupid or whatever she's trying to do. at the end of the day they have no plan -- her entire campaign right now is based on bashing trump and then continuing to bash trump. they have no plan. they're in a free-fall. trump is going to win, don. i mean, i don't know what these people are going to do because they're not -- they're not seeing reality right now. >> i want to play this in. to joe madison's point, you said if you go to a conservative or a republican rally, you'll see similar things. donald trump on the campaign trail tonight down in pensacola, florida, he said this about hillary clinton. >> because she is being so

protected, she could walk into this arena right now and shoot somebody with 20,000 people watching right smack in the middle of the heart and she wouldn't be prosecuted, okay? that's what's happened. that is what's happened to our country. i never thought i'd see the day when this is happening to our country. >> so, chris, is that appropriate? >> no. >> would i tell him to say it? no. look, i long gave up the business of spinning for donald trump. i don't do it. but i will say this. an overwhelming majority of the country believe mrs. clinton should have been punished by the fbi. a majority of people polled say something should have gone down with the fbi and mrs. clinton's e-mails. it didn't. most of this country feels she getting away with something criminal. i heard what you said, she hasn't been charged with

anything criminal, fine. but most people believe she's done something criminal and that sentiment exists. >> i don't disagree with you but to come on and definitively say that hillary clinton has committed a crime is just factually inaccurate and i was trying to get that across to the guest who is an attorney. i was shocked that he doesn't understand that. i think most people get it. joe, do you think that was appropriate to say? i mean, you got a good chuckle out of that. >> i got a good chuckle out of it because as i said, you're going to hear it on both sides. look, again, i've played on my show donald trump saying i could stand in the middle of fifth street -- >> fifth avenue. >> fifth avenue, excuse me and shoot somebody and -- >> let me play that. >> go ahead, please. >> they say i have the most loyal people. did you ever see that? where i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters, okay?

it's like incredible. >> go ahead, joe. >> i mean, whoever would have heard -- in all my life i've never heard any presidential candidate, republican or democrat, say something like that. i mean, so you can see how -- let me say this quickly and i think we all can agree with this. i will be so glad when we start talking about issues that impact my child, my grandchild, my paycheck, you know, education. this back and forth attack, what's going on right now, i don't know if this is predebate nonsense, but at some point in time, we have got to get into the substance of public policy. and that's what i'm waiting for because what i think we're all tired of is this attack/counterattack. let talk about substantive

public policy issues, education, the economy and who will lead the country in the next four years. that's what i think the american people really want. >> and substantive issues like taxes. we'll discuss that. >> absolutely. >> we'll discuss that when we come right back. don't go anywhere.

so donald trump's running mate did something today the candidate himself refuses to do and that's release his tax returns. back with me chris de gaulle, john fredericks and joe madison. so chris, i want to talk about something that is becoming increasingly hard to ignore, donald trump's refusal to reese his tax returns. trump's running mate, mike pence, released ten years of tax returns tonight. i'm going to keep on asking till the election. why won't donald trump release his taxes? what is the justification? >> i don't know. i don't know. and i don't really spin for donald trump. if we're going to talk about

secrecy and what we can't see, there's a laundry list of it over there on mrs. clinton's side, too. >> listen, we will get to that but can we stick to the point instead of deferring to the other side. everybody does that. democrats do it, the republicans do it. why won't he release his tax returns? >> i don't know. >> that is something that hillary clinton has done. >> i don't know. but, frankly, his taxes are the least of my concerns. we're talking about -- we're talking about a history shrouded in secrecy around mrs. clinton that the public -- >> it doesn't matter to you how much taxes he's paid, how much charitable giving he's done, especially since the cornerstone of his campaign, one of them besides immigration and building the wall has been what a great businessman he is, how he will rescue the economy and save the american people and get jobs because he can create them and because he's such a great businessman? that doesn't make you curious

about how his companies operate, how much money he makes, how much taxes he's paid, how much charitable giving he's done? you're not curious about that? >> you want me to evaluate his professional resumé. again, i'm happy to do it. i suppose it would be nice to see, sure. these two people trying to evaluate their professional resumés, it would be exhaustive and we can make the case for both of them -- quite frankly, we can make the case that both of them are shrouded in secrecy and unanswered questions. i can't focus on him when her resumé of failure is so vast. i mean, it's very difficult for me to pile on him when the secrecy. >> joe, i'll let you get in. >> i think it would be fair if we were discussing their resumés but we're talking about releasing their tax returns. one candidate has done it on the presidential side. another one has not. both vice presidential candidates have done it. donald trump is the only one who hasn't. but go ahead, joe. >> failures.

this is a man that has had how many bankruptcies. but here's the point. i had a friend today say to me that it's more than now a double standard. it's quadruple standard. this is the same candidate, donald trump, who asked for the president's college transcripts, asked a 50-year-old man for college transcripts. then he wanted to see a birth certificate. he wanted to see legitimacy. what tax returns do, it tells you a lot who you attributed to. you know what really bothers me is people who call up and say or people who sit out there and say, well, you know, i wouldn't understand them, even if he gave out his tax returns. let me tell you, we probably all work on talk radio stations and networks. we can find tax experts who can explain it. there are people right here on cnn who can come on and explain what he's done.

the reason he doesn't do it is because he is hiding something. that's exactly the argument that would have been used against president obama and anybody else and that's why the governor of indiana released his taxes. something is strange when your running mate releases taxes and the man at the top of the ticket doesn't? >> john hasn't gotten in. john. >> here's what we're told about mrs. clinton's charitable foundation and the giving to that foundation. we're told those things don't matter, there was no quid pro quo. millions and millions to the clinton foundation, no quid pro quo, nothing to see here. that's what we're told. if we're just going to apply this consistency, we can do this all day on both of them. >> did they release the record, though? >> yes, they did. and they got an a rating. tell the whole story. tell the whole story. they got an a rating. >> i will tell the whole story. >> i think it's fair to evaluate

all of them if you have the receipts, as they say. if you're going to evaluate the clintons and they have released all the information, i think it's fair to evaluate it. you can't evaluate any of what trump says about his taxes because he hasn't released them. go ahead, john. >> first of all, the clintons didn't release anything. it got released by judges or by leaks. it's not like they were forthcoming and released anything. but let me get to your question, which is donald trump's tax returns. he absolutely should not he absolutely should not release his returns under any circumstances, audit or not. let me tell you why. releasing tax returns is simply a creation of the media that decided at some time people should release their taxes. if you want to know what donald trump has done, go to manhattan, look up, see the skyline, that's what he's done. it's all there. now, what the media wants to do

-- >> that's so simplistic. >> -- is have them release his taxes so for the next six weeks we can scrutinize every donation and every line item and every deduction. >> nothing. >> what's wrong with that? nothing. >> what's wrong with that? john, can you answer my questions? >> we need to talk about the issues. >> what's wrong with scrutinizing the tax returns? >> it a waste, don, of everybody's time with what is going on right now. we just had a segment -- >> let me ask you this. you've been talking about -- you and chris have been talking about the clinton foundation. right? so you want to scrutinize everything with the clinton foundation, which i think is fair. if you're running for president, everything is fair game. so why the double standard with your candidate? you don't want to scrutinize everything from donald trump's foundation. i've been to kill galley, rwanda

to a very successful program to a hospital that the clinton foundation runs and they've done very good work. i can say that about that particular part of it. but i don't know what their books and records. what's wrong with knowing about donald trump? >> nothing. >> here's why. there was -- hillary clinton had a press conference the first one she's had in 276 days the other day. she did not get asked one question about the e-mails, the foundation, anything. the line of questioning went something -- >> they spent 20 minutes the night before asking her about that on national television and she answered matt lauer. >> and she spent 18 hours in front of congress answering these questions. >> she was in a press gaggle, they didn't ask her a simple -- single question. if trump -- jesus doesn't have anything to do with this at all. >> jesus is not running for president. >> let me tell you, if he relations his tax returns. >> i wish he were, frankly.

>> -- the liberal left wing media is going to spend the next six weeks going over every single thing, interpreting it. >> you're right and i wish you guys would go back four years, go back eight years and look ought all the things you asked obama to release. you didn't object when they were calling for him to release his tax returns and you certainly weren't objecting with all this birther crap that was going on. oh, release your, birth certificate. >> okay, all three of you are talking and i can't -- anyways. thank you, gentlemen. >> i just want to be clear, i don't delve into the birther garbage burks to be clear, we still don't see a college transcript from the great constitutional professor. >> george bush didn't release his college transcripts as well. >> oh, please. >> no, here's what i'm saying. i'm saying to you there is no precedent for college transcripts.

there is a precedent for presidents or people who are running for president releasing their tax returns. that's it. i'm just saying what's good for the goose is good for the gander. >> have a great weekend. >> an fbi investigation, that's unprecedented. >> thank you very much. >> this weekend cnn film presents 9/11, 15 years later. an updated look at the iconic film with the only known footage from inside the twin towers sunday night at 8:00 eastern. coming up, donald trump says his voters are the silent majority but will they show up on election day? ♪ approaching medicare eligibility?

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polls are tightening in the race between hillary clinton and donald trump as we count down to the first presidential debate. joining me now teddy turner, donald trump's silent majority pac and the son of cnn founder ted turner. teddy, how are you doing? you are a donald trump supporter. you are running the silent majority pac. why did you choose that name? what does it mean to the trump campaign? >> well, one, we do a lot of interesting things with the silent majority pac but to get to the original part of the question is, you know, people are afraid to put a trump sign in their yard.

people are afraid to wear a trump shirt. they think somebody is going to call them a racist, call them a bigot. all the stuff that the left has trumped up about trump and it is really not fair. people can't speak their mind unless they're liberal in this country. >> but in all fairness, teddy, there are people on the right as well who say those things about donald trump. it's not just people on the left. you think it's fair to say that? >> well, i think -- you know, when i ran for congress and kind of learned the ropes down here a couple years ago, the hard core republicans don't like trump and the reason they don't like trump is that he's going to ruin their meal ticket. i'm not happy with the hard core republicans. most of america is not happy with the hard core republicans. i think trump is wonderful because he's not part of the same old same old. he's not part of the political dynasty built by the right-wing republicans and certainly lived in by the clintons. >> i this i that's fair to say because you just confirmed,

there are republicans who will say the same things about donald trump. listen, before this election, the term the silent majority made most people think of richard nixon, his speech where he appealed to americans who were freaked out by changing values at the time, 1969. do you think that's a throw back here to 2016? >> i don't really think it's a throwback to richard nixon. i do think it's a throwback that i came from ten years in the education business or almost ten years and i couldn't say what i wanted to say in the education field. the silent majority, the squeaky wheel always gets the grease. it happens. if we look at charleston politics, the loudest group gets their way. not the right group or left group or the best group but the unsilent minority. they get their way. but it's time to take the country back and there's only one way to do it. we've got to get conservative values in the fiscal area more than anything else because a broke country is not going to be able to do anything at all to help anybody and we're getting

there quickly. we're with the silent majority. we're focusing on five states on the ground, on the air. it's a great opportunity to spread the word but the most important thing is when this election is over, the silent majority pac is not going away, the silent majority group is not going away. we're here for the long run. this is one election. it's extremely important. you're going to hear from us a lot more in the future. >> i have to ask you this then. i think i was remiss because it should have been my follow-up question. do you believe because i've heard it again, not just from liberals but from the hard-core conservatives in your terms, do you believe donald trump is a conservative? >> you know, depends. a lot of people don't think i'm a conservative. they said jane fonda was your stepmother so you can't be a conservative. you don't believe in this, you don't believe in that, you're not a conservative. he is the most conservative person in this race by far.

>> good definitive answer. thank you for answering that. there is a theory that there are a number of people who are out there who haven't been a part of the political process in the past, but they're going to be motivated to turn out in really large numbers in really large numbers. as you said, people are afraid to show their support for donald trump. do you think they're going to show up and cast votes and you think it's going to put donald trump over the top? >> when barack obama first started running for office, everybody said he was unelectable. it wasn't going to happen. but you saw the turnout. you saw that he was a star. you know who's doing that right now? cnn has to fabricate the 45 people at hillary thing to make it look like something big. i'm not picking on cnn. media in general, for trump they're standing in line for hours. this thing's long from over. trump has an extremely good shot

at pulling in that silent majority that are tired of the political correctness, they're tired of the silliness going on, tired of the spending, tired the lying and the corruption. they want new people in those seats, too. they've got to turn over congress. we've got put in term limits. we've got real problems all across this country. we have a shot to change things and if we don't do it, i'm afraid it's all over. you should know. your dad started cnn. you've been around cnn. you know we don't fabricate anything like that. that is a talking point from the right or from your side. come on. >> i did spend a lot of time working for cnn behind the camera and editing. >> and it's a different time at cnn. >> fabricating is one thing. we all look at a story a different way. how you tell the story, you can make a crowd look big, you can make a crowd look small. >> you realize a lot of the times, though, and maybe the

viewer doesn't realize this is that that's a pool camera and sometimes that pool camera is run by fox absometimes it's run by another conservative group. it not necessarily cnn is in control of that camera when you see people at a rally. i'm just saying. that's the truth. so let's talk about your pac now. >> okay. >> go ahead. you want to talk about that? >> yeah. no, i just, we all see things different ways. it's just how it works. but let's talk about the pac. >> so your pac is focusing on where and how are you spending your money? >> five target markets. you know, you can't cover the whole country, you can't get everything done. there's huge pacs that we see that they're painting with broad strokes. but if you go to florida, if you go to north carolina, you go to virginia, you go to ohio, you go to pennsylvania, those are five states that are crucial to winning. so what we've got to do is because the hard core republican side and we're not talking about

hard core conservatives, i'm talking about the party operatives, they're not helping trump. so many people have come out against trump. so we've got to back fill in those areas. we've got to get houses with people sitting at dinner talking about this stuff. we need to to get social media going and tv ads going. we're trying to do this as grass roots as possible, what the republican should be doing. but they don't because they don't want trump. he's running their plans. >> teddy turner, many thanks. appreciate it. have a great weekend. >> i hope to see you soon. >> coming up, it is the last thing you'd expect from donald trump, letting someone else speak for him. so will he finally say he is sorry for his birther claims?

donald trump says doesn't talk about the birther issue anymore but should he? here to discuss, boris epstein, paris denard direct ker of black outreach for george w. bush, van jones and bob beck. van, to you first. in the last, the past week, four members of trump's campaign have said that trump now believes president obama was born in the u.s. the campaign manager kellyanne conway said it on cnn this morning, ben carson, rudy giuliani. why hasn't trump said it himself? >> i don't know and i wish he would. we usually try to score cheap political point on each other, we go back and forth and it's a good little scrimmage. this is really, really important.

this is a deep wound for a lot of african-americans who felt that he was being delegitimated as an african-american president. you can say others have been questioned, as well. but it struck a deep, deep chord and it caused a lot of pain because people felt that so often, african-americans in offices and in positions of authority are undermined. it's a very easy opportunity for him to step forward because nobody believes that crap anymore for him to step forward and it would heal some wounds. i don't know if it gets any votes but it would show some character. >> last night trump supporter rudy giuliani surprised many by insisting several times that trump no longer believes that obama was born outside of the u.s. let's listen to this. >> i want to know whether you believe that your candidate for president believes he would succeed a legitimate president or not? does he believe he would succeed a legitimate president. >> donald trump believes now that he was born in the united

states. but that issue was raised originally -- >> when is he going to say that this president is legitimate? this is a fundamental question, mr. mayor. is the president of the united states legitimate or not? >> he -- >> do you believe it? if you believe it, why doesn't your candidate state it? >> i believe it, he believes it, we all believe it. >> trump has recently said he doesn't talk about it anymore, he hasn't actually said it was incorrect. it was a huge issue that donald trump promoted for years and years. does he need to say so himself. >> no, he doesn't. let's look at the history. this whole issue came out of the 2008 hillary clinton. mark penn, the chief strategist wrote a memo questioning the roots of barack obama. her staffers were pushing those pictures of barack. >> boris, that is factually incorrect. >> it is not. >> it came from a supporter of hillary clinton. so go on. >> two staffers in iowa. >> fine, go ahead. >> who worked for the campaign. >> go ahead. >> hillary clinton raised the issue. she could not get an answer.

donald trump got an means. >> hillary clinton raised the issue or someone on her staff? >> hillary clinton's campaign, which she's the boss off, hillary clinton's campaign, 2008, the losing campaign which was rejected by the american people raised the issue. she did not get an answer. donald trump did get an answer that barack obama was in fact born in the united states of america, that issue is put to bed -- and now we should move on as a country. >> they never said he wasn't born in the united states. do you think that he should -- you don't think he should talk about it at all? >> he should talk about the issues, the economy, national economy that actually face this country. >> go ahead, van. >> boris, i don't think that you're being 100% honest about what donald trump did. even after he produced -- even after president obama produced that birth certificate, he still questioned it, he played around with it, he acted like he wasn't sure. so he has not been as clear. also, just because hillary clinton did something or a staffer did something or a staffer's supporter's intern did

something or the poodle did something, that does not make it right for you to do it. >> i'm giving the background here. >> i don't think it makes sense. >> two wrongs don't make a right. >> can i give you the background on this started not with somebody in iowa. it starteded with the late andrew breitbart. >> it did not. >> yes, it did. he told me that very thing when he and i had a discussion. now donald trump has known for a long time now, as most everybody else knows that barack obama was born in the united states, was an american, he made the constitutional level to become president and yet trump refused to say anything about it despite the pain. and it's like anything else. this guy never apologizes for a thing. >> i don't know what conversations you had with andrew breitbart. the facts show it was started by at the very least a hillary clinton supporter who was sending e-mails around.

>> i think she probably picked it up from andrew. >> but there is no evidence that hillary clinton has anything to do with it. >> there was a memo. there was a memo from mark penn, the chief strategist of that campaign internally talking about the fact that they should hit on the fact that barack obama doesn't have american -- >> let bob make his point. >> once you had the birth certificate, it was very clear. everybody else in the country except donald trump accepted it and now all these years later, you've got eight years later. >> paris, let paris get in. go ahead, paris. >> don, at the end of the day, i view this as a distraction to the real issue that's going on with the lives of the american people, especially the african-american people. my community. now, i do believe that there are some to van's point that might be hurt or offended by what the birther movement, if you will, that i believe was started by the clinton campaign and that mr. donald trump help produce the birth certificate the president did produce for the american people.

after that was done, mr. trump did not continue to raise that issue. it has only now resurfaced because mr. trump, i believe, is having serious continued engagement and is doing well with the black community in terms of polling and his engagement and i believe the clinton campaign is worried about his deliberate efforts to try to earn the vote. >> paris, he raised it in iowa during the iowa caucuses. what are you talking about? >> no, he didn't. bob, you have no proof -- >> yes, he did. >> here's the bottom line, for eight years you guys have known and you guys refused to tell the truth. >> you can talk over me all you want -- >> no, that's something that you guys are -- >> mitt romney was at 6, mccain was at 2 and we're at 8% and growing. >> you're out of your mind. >> during the primary campaign, he told anderson cooper that he was not sure. he didn't know if the president

was born in the usa. >> he didn't raise the issue. >> and he has said afterwards that he didn't believe the birth certificate was accurate. >> the american people have moved on. you know why? because they elected him once and they elected him twice and now we're about an election between donald trump and hillary clinton. we need to to focus this conversation and focus the rest of the time that we have up till november on those two candidates. >> paris is 100% right on that. >> let me say certainly. >> go ahead. >> paris, here's why -- look, you are correct when you say these kinds of issues can just be distractions and that there are more pressing issues. the reason why the apology, though, is important is it's a character issue. can you acknowledge a mistake? can you repair a bridge with a key american constituency? his failure or inability to do those things do rise to the level, i think of serious inquiry. >> so in a crazy world, hillary

clinton becomes president and half of the people who were supporting donald trump she calls -- what did she say, a basket of deplorables? do you think she owes them an apology? >> she absolutely does. paris, yes, she absolutely does. i think that was a mistake. i believe she was trying to signal that she doesn't believe that ought trump supporters are bad but the way she did it -- >> oh, come on. >> on this show tonight, van and me have both been critical of our own candidate for doing something we thought was wrong. neither one of you have taken the lead from your candidate will ever admit he's wrong about anything. he talks about immigrants, he hires illegal immigrants to build his buildings. >> we have to take a pause. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. i've got get to break.

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make sure you tune in for that. back with my panel here. if you will please, please, please. it does a viewer disservice if you all talk at one time. that will make me go to a commercial fast. i want to move to the photographs in the clinton presidential library. boris, you took exception to something bob said during the break. >> that he employed illegal immigrants is simply incorrect. you shouldn't bring that up and throw it out here. here is the larger issue at hand here. we're talking about the comments donald trump it and following up on what hillary clinton started in terms of the birth certificate. but the bottom line, why is this coming out now? >> it is coming out now because he wants black voters and this is something that's very personal to black voters. >> he is succeeding in getting the voters, this has been put to bed. we're moving on. let's all move on and talk about the real issues like 26% poverty

among african-americans. >> it has not been put to bed because people want him to acknowledge he was wrong. >> not to talk over anybody here, but if i could, boris, it is documented he had undocumented workers. but more than that, paris you know the justice department took donald trump and his father to court for not allowing blacks to live in their apartments in queens and they lost. they paid. that's the kind of thing that seems to be a serious issue. >> bob, i know when reverend jackson needed office space for rain bow push coles, mr. trump did that and reverend jackson is on record on two separate occasions. >> very nice he did that. >> this is a circular argument because we can go on and we're going to go down into the worm hole. nearly two dozen photos were released by the clinton presidential library of donald trump socializing looking quite chummy, donald trump with the

clinton folks there. what do you guys think of these pictures, boris? >> it seems like melania and donald trump were very happy to welcome president clinton. donald trump has always said as a successful businessman, he has supported politicians on both sides of the aisle. listen, do i have to say this. bob beckel, you are historically incorrect that the trump organization were never proven to commit any wrongdoing in the cases in the '70s you're talking about nor do they agree they committed wrongdoing. that's historically incorrect. >> these pictures. >> i think these photos show that mr. trump is capable of work on both sides of the aisle and being diplomatic. just like he showed his great diplomat sit by going down to mexico at the invitation of the mexican president. you want somebody that has relationships with people and is comfortable having relationships with people on both sides of the aisle that will negotiate and get things done for the american people once and for all. i don't think these photos are

anything but what they are showing that donald trump has relationships with people. >> if you guys want to know what we're talking about, gre drew griffin and our investigative unit did a great takeout, randi kaye did a takeout on the illegal workers, blacks not allowed on donald trump's properties. you can see the fact checks by our talented correspondents. just google, go on cnn.com. these pictures were take in towel when president clinton visited trump tower at the u.s. open. trump and the clintons have shared a history here. they look quite friendly in all of these pictures. do you think this is going to make a difference, van, or it's much ado about nothing? >> i don't think it's going to make such of a difference. it makes them both look bad. ordinary people look at this stuff and what they think of is, well, there they go. the people at the top of society, they get on tv and fuss and fight but behind closed doors, they're all buddy buddy. their kids go to the same fancy

schools and they scratch each other's backs. releasing it is supposed to make one look bad or the other. they both look bad. there's a deep deep discontent in the country. black folks with black lives matter, the sanders' supports, the trump people, you can going the native americans fighting back now in the dakotas. there's a deep discontent. a lot of what's going on i think a lot of people's poin of view are the politics of distract and divide. and both parties now are deeply into that as opposed to trying to figure out what we're going to do to get jobs for people. these kind of an pictures remind folk guess what, there is an elite. all those people will be fine. you and your family may not. those pictures make both look terrible. >> the one nuance is that donald trump has always been honest who he is. he's been honest about his success. forthcoming. where the clintons have made themselves.

>> boris. >> they're obviously not. they made $450 million off nothing that they've made. >> van. >> mr. beckel made a very important point. and you've not responded to it yet, boris. mr. beckel pointed out that both of us are very willing to honestly criticize and honestly praise hillary clinton. and yet, no trump supports including yourself seem ever to be willing to say anything negative about donald trump. can you say anything critical about donald trump tonight. >> that's it. thank you. we'll be right back. whatcha' doin?

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