thanks to secretary panetta, mayor kahn and my panel for being here today. thanks for being part of this special program. i will see you next week. good morning. i'm brian. this is "reliable sources" our look at the stories and the news behind the stories. we begin in lower manhattan, a live look at ground zero. the marking of the 15th anniversary since the attacks. i'll speak with aaron brown leading cnns coverage that day. we'll talk about how that day changed news forever and how it changed politics. in some ways, 9/11 is the day that never ended. so much of the debate is around terrorism, how to combat it and whether they did or did not support a decision to go into iraq after 9/11. lots of conversation about islam

phobia. it's what we heard days ago, hillary clinton speaking saying many, half of trump supporters are islamaphobic. look at what she said. >> you could put half of trump supporters into the basket of deplorabl deplorables. right? the racist, sexist, homophobic, you name it. >> there it is, basket of deplorables. it is a phrase that will be with us for the rest of the campaign and beyond. it's a fight clinton and trump want to have. it sparked an uproar from republican vice president candidate, mike pence. all right. we don't have it. we will get to that.

he, of course, said this was a very offensive comment. clinton called it grossly -- never a good thing. half of his supporters are deplorable and will continue to speak out about bigotry. did the press rush to talk about whether clinton was right to talk about trump supporters? did they talk about whether she was smart instead of being right? is she getting treated differently than trump with statements he makes? we'll talk about it with an excellent panel. katrina and david. thank you all for being here. >> thank you. >> david, let me start with you. i misspoke there. what i'm trying to say is it felt to me like twitter and television rushed to talk about whether clinton was smart to make the comments, not whether she was right to say them, whether many trump supporters are racist or bigoted.

do you think they are trying to tiptoe around it and skipping ahead to the easy conversation about politics? >> you know, brian, there's always that tendency to sort of talk about it in terms of political terms. was this a wise move? how will it play? will it hurt with this group or that group? >> rig. >> we do way too much of it. it's a criticism that has been here for 30 years and we never get better about it. >> it frustrates me. tara, you are a conservative commentator and a never trump person. do you think there's accuracy to what she said? are there a percentage that are like that? >> unfortunately, i think that's been clear. we have -- this campaign is unearthed some of the most vile and despicable aspects of human nature and in ways that i have

never seen before. >> was she wrong to say half though? >> i think, yes, that's where she got into trouble. i had this conversation on twitter yet about this where i said anytime you start putting a number on something that is unquantifiable, you get in trouble. if she said a number of, it's valid. there's a large enough contingent of people. you have seen it with social media for them to crawl out and feel emboldened to make the awful comments and sexist, racist, islamaphobic things. it's troubling in and of itself. that is a direct byproduct of donald trump's candidacy, unfortunately. >> some clinton supporters hold prejudicial views. >> i'm sure. >> there's more of a concentration of trump supporters with hateful views. is the press wary of talking

about that? we don't hear reporters talking about that. >> i'm waiting for the debate about serious issues in this campaign. >> we'll do that in a moment. i want to go to news jeff has. he's joining me on the phone. actually, he's on the line in washington. jeff, tell us about hillary clinton, the news developing this morning out of new york. >> we have a statement coming in moments ago from nick, a spokesman for secretary clinton about her appearance at ground zero this morning. i will read the statement now. secretary clinton attended the commemoration ceremony for 1:30 this morning to pay her respects. during the ceremony, she felt overheated, so she departed and went to her daughter's apartment. she is feeling much better. this is on the heels of what's been unfolding in new york for 90 minutes or so. she was seen by law enforcement officials leaving abruptly. we were not told exactly where she was. the statement now coming out

from the clinton campaign. i will repeat, during the ceremony, she felt overheated and departed to go to her daughter's apartment. she is at chelsea's apartment in the flat iron neighborhood of manhattan. that is where she is now. of course this is all, you know, being discussed. there have been questions raised by her opponents about her health and other things. she was seen this morning leaving ground zero and the statement out from nick may recall saying she was fine, just feeling overheated. we have other reporting from our other colleagues here. let me look at this right now, brian. it says she left the 9/11 event because she was not feeling well. secret service agents were helping her into her van in the motorcade. someone saw that happening, a law enforcement official tells cnn she was helped in her van at ground zero and taken to chelsea's apartment.

she is at her daughter's apartment right now in new york. >> very worrisome news to hear. someone who covers the clinton campaign, what can you tell us about how frequently she has health issues. for years, there have been conspiracies saying she is secretly ill. the campaign denied that. her physician said she is fit to serve as president. >> her physician said she is fit to serve as president. she's released more medical information than her rival but has not released all records as others have over the years. this is going to prompt and renew and raise more questions about her health potentially here. she is 68 years old. she will turn 69 in october, before election day. it has, you know, we have seen it a lot over recent weeks, you know, some selected images and pictures and video of her

stumbling. taken out of context. i cover her a lot. her schedule is aggressive. donald trump says she is taking a nap in the middle of the day. that's not true. she has a very rigorous campaign schedule. thursday, i flew with her all day as she left the airport in westchester around 10:00 a.m. after a press conference and she returned at 11:00 p.m. a couple campaign stops and fund raising stops and working along the way. she is keeping up a rigorous pace here. there are going to be questions about her health. in this incident, this episode this morning in manhattan is the latest example of that. the fact of the clinton campaign putting out this statement saying she felt overheated at ground zero and was taken to her daughter's apartment is the information we have right now at this hour. brian? >> jeff, thank you very much. appreciate it. we will stay close to you and check back in.

let me turn back to the panel. david, full disclosure, this happened earlier in the morning on twitter, a fox reporter reported we have been waiting for confirmation, reaching out to sources in the meantime. that's how it should work in the news business z. the media and political implications of this are. how a story takes root online, how rumors spread before facts catch up. >> let me tell you what i thought in my heart of hearts sitting in the green room when i found out about this and it was only fox reporting it. it looked like it was one spours, source, then fuzzy about the second source. i thought, wow. they better be right about this because if they are not, the possible implications of what they are reporting, if they are wrong, this is awful. my feeling was, on something like this, brian, you wait until you have at least two sources

you are comfortable with. this is not something you go out there -- it was also reported with details, alleged details i should say about the physical appearance of the candidate and as she got to the van. i don't want to repeat those because i don't know they are confirmed and i never would. >> let me give you an example of that. full disclosure to our audience, people are saying she is at the hospital. they are outside the apartment building where hillary clinton is with her daughter. it's a sample of misinformation that could happen. >> this is textbook, the careful way it was reported here. only what they confirmed. if it's worse for this, there's time for it. wait until it's confirmed with something that is this, possibly volatile in terms of this election, this close to the election. you go with extreme caution. i was surprise zed to see anybody reporting it without confirmation. not online and social media, but

elsewhere. >> sitting here thinking about the implications of this, i would be worried anytime a candidate had to leave an event like a 9/11 anniversary ceremony because they weren't feeling well. the report is she is feeling better now. what do you think the ramifications of this could be for hillary clinton? >> thoughts and sympathy goes to hillary clinton. all presidential campaigns have been brutal. this is a scorched earth one. what we are going to witness is further debaisement of the tweet. donald trump is probably writing his tweet know. the trumpism system, this has used this to -- for many reasons. it's a proxy issue for the trump campaign. we are going to see a political debate in this campaign and we, you know, donald trump has, with

his normalized, hate and bog triand american's grievances. hillary clinton's second part of her speech was never reported. it's never good to go after voters. focus on trump. there's no question trump and republicans played dog whistle to prey on the grievances. i think we need to focus on that, with all due respect to secretary clinton. health, let's listen to her doctor, not trump's tweets. >> he hasn't weighed in yet. maybe he will. go ahead. >> factually, katrina said the second half of her speech was never reported. it was in full in the new york times. >> not sufficiently. >> it was in new york times. >> we have played the full soundbyte here. >> it wasn't never reported.

>> it wasn't given enough attention, david. let me clarify. >> tara, one more thought on the issue about this health concern and her leaving this event early. there's a difference between conspiracy theories. legitment concerns and questions about what is going on with her health. what do you expect as a result of this story? >> it's no accident donald trump hired stephen who traffics in these conspiracy theories on a regular basis for a reason. they are using these kinds of issues to gin up all kind of feelings. it really takes away the focus from what matters for the presidency. today is 9/11. we look at, we reflect on what happened that day and the way president bush handled that with grace and resilience and resolve. it makes us, as americans, step back and look at the race and the candidates and have to decide, who do you think would

be able to step up to the plate and be an honorable representation of this country in a time of crisis? foreign policies, really, where the president of the united states had the most influence. i think that all these other distrdi distractions take away from the fact we have donald trump who is grossly inadequate in that area and hillary clinton who has inadequacies in a different way. the american people need to see through a lot of the muddy, very personal attacks. it's such a jerry springer type of issues that really don't matter to the american people. i think that we need to stay focused on what the office of the presidency represents and especially on days like today. i hope we don't see a national inquirer response from donald trump. he needs to remember he is running to represent this country. >> i was going to accuse all of you of pivoting away from my question but it's probably the

right response. if we have more reporting and less speculating we will be better off. stick around here. just a reset for the audience at home, hillary clinton leaving the 9/11 ceremony early this morning said she was not feeling well. she is now better, she was at her daughter chelsea's apartment in manhattan. they are saying she is now feeling better. taking a break here. back in a moment with more on the 9/11 anniversary including aaron brown's reflects on what it was like to enter the coverage that fateful day. they feel good? no... you wouldn't put up with part of a pair of glasses. so when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with part of a day? these are not useful. live whole. not part. aleve. hmmmmm....... [ "dreams" by beck ] hmmmmm...

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welcome back to "reliable sources." let's take you live to another part of manhattan where you can see hillary clinton's vehicles, her motorcade parked outside chelsea clinton's home. apparently, we are told hillary clinton is there with her daughter, chelsea, at the home. you can see that. the so-called scooby-doo van. she left the eremony. she was feeling overheated, so she did leave early and unexpectedly. she departed to go to chelsea's apartment. the campaign saying she is feeling much better. we'll keep you updated as we get more information. you can see an date from the reporter on the scene. let's turn now to the reality check of the role of journalists. many said nbcs commander in

chief is an example of a journalist falling down on the job. it grew krcriticism. one exec sieve said it was a disaster. others agreed with the critics. at the heart is a problem many journalists agree with, fact checking. matt lauer didn't say that after trump said this. >> i happened to hear hillary clinton say i was not against the war in iraq. i was totally against the war in iraq. you can look at "esquire" magazine from '04 and more. >> matt lauer didn't push back but "esquire" did. he's been against it from the beginning. nullifying trump's time line. there is no public evidence that donald trump was imposed to the invasion before it began. after it began in 2004, he was

against it. katrina, the publisher of the nation magazine, tara and david. thank you all three for coming back with me. let's talk about the role of a moderator. what happened with this forum on wednesday night puts more measure on the debate moderators. we are 15 days away, tara, from the first debate. do you believe the moderators should play fact testing? >> under normal circumstances, no. they said they don't want the moderators to be fact checkers. that's not necessarily their role. what we are seen in what donald trump has done throughout the republican debate is that you almost have to be a referee. he speaks in untruths so often. he can say thank yous five ways within the same paragraph. it's difficult for the average viewer who is nowhere near as

informed as us watching all day. they want to decide who is telling the truth. it's difficult to do that. it's a tactic on trump. you can't pin him down. in this case, you never want the moderators to be the story. it looks as though that's going to be the case. that could be something that donald trump wants because, again, it distracts from his missteps. that heaped with megan kelly. not by the fault of hers, but she was a story because of the ongoing fight between her and trump. >> trump was fighting with her. >> correct. >> david, cha should holt do? >> as egregious claim he made, you cannot blame trump. everything in their brain would have went red alert, we have to correct this right now.

>> you are saying matt lauer doesn't have journalistic chops? he's been on the "today" show for years. >> he's been a news reader, a presenter. >> i put more of the blame on the producers who ran the show. >> i do, too. i put a lot of blame on the producers. listen, this is nbc. once again, tilting in the direction of showbusiness instead of journalism. they had chuck todd, andrea mitchell, two outstanding journalists who wouldn't have let that pass. they were not in that chair because they had somebody who was better in a showbiz sense. the veterans said they felt they were propped for a showbiz production. the networks are bad. cable has a better sense. look, tv news is a hybrid of showbiz and news. i'm wearing make up to talk

about news. i get that. they tip in the direction, way too often, of showbusiness. this was a mistake. matt lauer shouldn't have been in that chair. if he is, his producers should have taken better care of him. >> david, you make a bigger point than matt lauer. the news shows are the prime poster children. they show the obliteration between the line of entertainment and news. >> yes. >> we saw another installment in 2016, a master class on how not to hold candidates accountable. this is not a matter of trump or clinton, let or right. due diligence means holding candidates accountable for facts at a basic. i think the other problem is, i thought it was scandalous that matt lauer gave a third of his time to grilling hillary clinton on the e-mails. it's appropriate, but think of the enormous, urgent issues facing this country as we sit here on 9/11 and so little addressed in that forum.

>> we could have gotten more -- clinton and trump were not given more time. >> the campaigns didn't want more time. >> the e-mails are great importance considering hillary clinton's position as secretary of state. >> many care about the e-mails and what it means. >> classified information, the handling of that information and whether there was -- >> crisis more important than -- >> no, i think it should be dismissed. how she handles classified information and issues of great importance and foreign policy in this country and who she was talking to and why and what they were doing, manipulating information, was it unse keer for a reason? why did she do it? the clinton campaign did not address why she did this. she apologized but why. that's important for people to understand. don't cast aside. they don't want to talk about the issues. >> large, urgent issues facing this country. >> without question. >> we shouldn't have had a

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welcome back to "reliable sources." let's look live at the trade center where the one trade center stands tall. 15 years ago today, the twin towers were attacked. they collapsed about an hour ago 15 years ago today. this is one of the most memorable shots. this is aaron brown on the roof of the cnn bureau in midtown

manhattan. everyone has a story. mine is what channel is cnn on? we turned on the television and never turned it off. aaron brown helped me and others feel a little less afraid. he anchored from midnight to 1:00 in the morning. he was never supposed to be on that day at all. he was going to start work on a later date. i wanted to hear his reflections in a rare interview about what happened on that day for him and other journalists. when you started to anchor the twin towers had been hit. the pentagon had not been hit. when you were told washington was a target, what was that like to know there were multiple fronts of this attack? >> i think there was a pervasive sense of not so much what's happening but what's next. are they going to hit a shopping center in omaha?

are they going to hit a movie theater in chicago? what, precisely -- and brian, what i would say about that is to some extent that went on not for minutes or hours, but for days. >> i think we forget what that true sense of terror was. i think about a moment in your broadcast when you heard a fighter jet overhead and you mentioned making you nervous to hear a plane in the sky. were you ever afraid that day? >> well, i remember the plane going over. i hadn't thought about that in a long time. no. i mean i'm not trying -- believe me, first of all, you have known when he a long time. i'm not trying to be a hero. i had my hands full. it was almost like, i was way too busy to be afraid of anything. when it ended at 1:00 something in the morning and i sat down in the corner of the roof, a lot of

things happened. a lot of emotions happened. man, i was -- i was busy trying not to screw something up. this was the biggest moment in my lifetime in every sense in the history of my country and the history of my business, in my personal, professional life. i just wanted to get it right. i wanted to get it right for my audience, for the audience, for the people who employed me. i wanted to get ready for the history. >> let's look at that. this is the first tower falling, you knew it was happening, but didn't want to say it. >> it has been a huge, explosion. we can see a billowing smoke rising. i tell you, i can't see that second tower, but there was a cascade of sparks and fire and now this -- it looks almost like a mushroom cloud. the explosion is huge. billowing smoke in the second tower. this was the second of the two

towers hit. you know, i cannot see behind that smoke, obviously, as you can't, either. the first tower in the front has not changed. we can see this extraordinarily and frightening scene behind us of the second tower. now, just encased in smoke. what is behind it, i cannot tell you. but, just look at that. that is about as frightening a scene as you will ever see. >> you must have known through that smoke there was nothing there, but you couldn't see it with your own eyes. >> two things. one is, i felt in that moment profoundly stupid. >> why? >> i -- i will tell you, because -- i will tell you a million things had been running through my mind about what might happen. about the effect of a jet plane hitting people above where the

impact was, what might be going on in those buildings and it just never occurred to me they would come down. i thought, it's the only time i thought maybe you just don't have what it takes to do a story like this. it never occurred to me. secondly, i was trained by who i believe is the best anchor ever born, peter jennings. one thing he would always say is don't get ahead of this. if you can't absolutely say it, as in know it, then just don't. and, i couldn't -- i didn't know if the top third, the top half, i didn't really -- because, i mean, i can't see what you can see, but i could see it. so, i didn't know, really, what happened, other than the top had come off. i was trying to figure out a way to say i'm not sure without

sounding even dumber, frankly than i felt. >> let me look at one other moment. this is the second tower falling. when you did seem more prepared for what we were seeing. >> there is a large fire at the pentagon. the pentagon has been evacuated. there, as you can see, perhaps, the second tower, the front tower, the front portion is collapsing. good lord. there are no words. >> silence is what you used in that moment. when you see it now, what stands out to you? >> um, first of all, from the moment the first tower fell, there was a clock ticking. it was ticking in my head, it was ticking in the heads of hundreds of millions of people

in america and a billion people around the world who were watching it because if the first tower fell, the second one was going to fall, too. we all heard this clock ticking. as i think about it now, 15 years later, okay, is that the story -- it's not that we didn't tell it. there was so much to tell that we wouldn't highlight it quite enough. not because we were bad at what we did or that we didn't try or any of that, it was so much happening. in that moment there were men, mostly men, firemen and policemen, who were running into that building that was collapsing. knowing that they were never going to come out. i think when that building fell, i understood better than at any other point in my life, before or since, what the word hero meant. it's not that we didn't try to

tell that story. it's that the story itself is too great to tell. >> you made me a little bit less afraid that day. i'll never forget the experience watching you -- >> thank you. >> -- as a viewer. did you hear that 15 years later. this really is history. >> it is something that i was fortunate professionally to do and painful as an american to live through. it's a weird contradiction that journalists live with. the ambivalence of on the one hand loving the big story and on the other hand hating that that story is happening. >> aaron brown's lesson is to tell the story, never get ahead of the story. let's return now to the site of ground zero, now the site of one world trade center. this is where families are continuing to read the names of the 2,983 victims that day. it goes on for hours and hours.

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welcome back to "reliable sources." you are looking live outside chelsea clinton's apartment. i will tell you why. hillary clinton left the 9/11 commemoration ceremony early two hours ago because, according to the campaign, she felt overheated. she needed assistance getting into the van. she went to her daughter chel a chelsea's apartment. she is inside the apartment now. we are showing you this because we are expecting her to come

outside at any moment. we want to show you that when it happens. turning back now to the week's media news, there's been a lot of it. fox's parent company with a huge settlement. let's back up and talk about fox news more broadly. they are celebrating their 20th anniversary. this, right now, is the most uncertain, unstable time in the network's history. the ratings remain as high as ever. fox's parent company settled the lawsuit brought by gretchen carlson to settle her suit against roger ailes alleging sexual harassment. on the same day, greta was yanked and replaced by brett hume. she said fox has not felt like home to me for years. i took advantage of the clause in my contract. >> it's a key man clause.

if you haven't heard of it, most networks don't have them. fox did for a number of top stars. she walked out because ailes walked out. here to talk about all of it is a reporter who broke the news about the settlement, sarah and jane hall, a former fox news contributor. >> 20 million for gretchen carlson and ailes $40 million when he left in july. what does it mean? what does the apology mean? >> it's unprecedented. normally in a settlement, you don't have admission of wrong doing or an apology. it shows they were trying to hand her an olive branch. it's one of the things she strongly suggested as part of the settlement. >> let's go to the neighborhood of manhattan. hillary clinton walking out of

chelsea clinton's apartment now, possibly taking questions. sounds like she's being greeted by well wishers, including a girl in the street. this is outside chelsea clinton's apartment. the significance is hillary clinton left the 9/11 ceremony earlier due to some health concern. she wasn't feeling well at the time. jeff is back with me now, covering the clinton campaign. fill us in on the significance of coming out before the cameras for the first time in a couple hours. >> they want to show she is alive, well and walking there. she waved to the cameras. it looks like she said it's a beautiful day, from this d distance couldn't hear it. it is 80-82 degrees in manhattan, a humid, muggy day, i'm told by reporters on the ground. they clearly want to make the

image here she is walking and she is moving and she is, you know, taking on her day here. we are not expected or she is not scheduled to be in public anymore at this point. just to recap, this comes on the heels of after she visited the ground zero ceremony, she was there for 90 or so minutes. her campaign released a statement saying she felt overheated and had to leave. she was seen being helped into her vehicle, into her van there by some secret service agents. you can see she is walking out of the apartment. she has her sun gaszs on, waving to the reporters there. clearly, they are trying to make the case she is, you know, is doing well and fine. you have to wonder, will they be sort of forced to release more medical records here because she is being criticized by her opponents here, the questions have been out there, is she healthy? we don't know she's not.

she's released more than donald trump but others have released far less information over the years. >> normally, breaking news is not hillary clinton leaving her daughter's apartment. given the questions about her health by the media and reporters, she had to leave the ceremony early at ground zero. this is mid-august released by the clinton campaign. clinton is in excellent health and able to serve as president of the united states. this is from her personal physician. when there's a health care, that's what you call this this morning, reporters are going to ask more about this. do you think it was significant for an hour and a half the press pool that travels with her didn't know where she was? >> it is significant. it's protective for a reason. once a candidate becomes a nominee of a party, there is a protective press pool around

them like the president of the united states. it's a small group of reporters, one from the broadcast, one from the wires and one from the print organization. they were, in fact, not informed as to her whereabouts. they, you know, it's a constant struggle, not unique to this campaign at all. this pool is not always right with the candidate. that's our request and our hope, but the reality is, we are often left behind here. the clinton campaign did rush to put out a campaign at the top of the broadcast, as you know, to clarify that, you know, she is okay and was feeling overheated. i do think in the coming days, this is going to, you know, keep playing out. it's on the cover of the national inquirer this week. i saw a copty of it last night at the supermarket. again, we do not follow up on -- >> they had that horrible -- let's be honest, there's a horrible photo.

clearly, hillary was photo shopped in the picture. i thought it was disgusting. there's conspiracy theories saying she is secretly ill, suggesting she is on her death bed, which she is not. there are >> it is a distinction. like i said, she's released more information than donald trump has. but both of them have released far less than john mccain did and barack obama did, than mitt romney did, going beyond that. but the picture on the tabloid looked doctored. that looked nothing like her. and she has joked about it. we saw her a couple weeks ago saying they predicted i would be on my death bed by october and i'm still here. she's made humor of this. this could go one of two ways here. if her critics keep this up and criticize her, this could mote violent and inspire.

we see her waving. she's scheduled to go to california tomorrow. she will be on the west coast for three days this week. as of now, her schedule is going forward here. but you have to wonder if the campaign may feel some compunction to put out more information on her health simply to move on with this. she has complained of allergies. we heard her coughing spell. it is allergy season, but this is certainly something that likely will not go away in the coming days. >> reportedly on the way to her home. we'll stay on it. thank you. we'll take a break and regroup and back in a moment.

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breaking news, moments ago, we saw hillary clinton leaving her daughter's apartment building in new york city waving to reporters and onlookers. a statement from her campaign says she went to her daughter's apartment after leaving today's 9/11 event at ground zero. she left early because the campaign says she felt overheated. sources telling cnn that clinton was not feel iing well even befe the ceremony and appeared to have to be helped into her lihicle as she was leaving it.