anybody because they were contributor to the foundation. not one example of something wrong happened. >> donald trump has given any of his own money to the foundation that bears his name since his last donation in 2008. >> this is a man who's given away tens of millions of dollars to charitable causes. >> we know the least about donald trump of any candidate in recent american history. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day." up first, a cnn exclusive for you. hillary clinton speaking out about her pneumonia. why did clinton keep this diagnosis from most of her staff, and what do voters have a right to know about their candidates' health? >> then we have a big role reversal in the campaign. donald trump is now arguing that clinton is too insulting to be president, slamming her basket of deplorables comment as the biggest mistake of the political season. will you voters buy this? we're just 56 days out, eight weeks from election day.

ten days away from early voting in some states. only 13 days from the first debate between trump and clinton. we've got this high-stakes race covered for you. let's begin with senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny. >> good morning. hillary clinton is off the campaign trail for a second straight day. she's now acknowledging she could have been more forthcoming to avoid suggestions she was hiding something about her health. few people on her staff actually knew she had pneumonia, which made it more difficult to react. but now they are reacting. she bluntly told cnn last night the american people deserve to know what he's hiding and what he's up to. >> i'm feeling so much better. obviously i should have gotten some rest sooner. >> reporter: hillary clinton speaking to cnn from her home after days of trying to recover from pneumonia. >> i just thought i could keep going forward and power through it. >> reporter: the democratic nominee responding to critics who have slammed her campaign for not disclosing her diagnosis sooner.

>> i just didn't think it was going to be that big a deal. >> she's trying to turn the transparency spotlight back on donald trump, who has yet to release his tax returns or medical records. >> compare everything you know about me with my opponent. i think it's time he met the same level of disclosure that i have for years. >> clinton pledging to return to the campaign trail this week, texting her supporters that she's feeling fine and getting better. and calling into the san francisco fundraiser she was forced to miss. >> i wish so much i could be there. >> reporter: clinton tells cnn she never lost consciousness when she lost her balance while leaving sunday's 9/11 memorial service. >> i felt overheated. i decided i did need to leave. as soon as i got into the air-conditioned van, i cooled off, i got some water, and very quickly i felt better. >> her husband bill clinton says this isn't the first time she's had such an incident. >> rarely, but on more than one

occasion, over the last many, many years, the same sort of things happened to her when she just got severely dehydrated. >> i think really only twice that i can recall it is something that has occurred a few times over the course of my life. >> back in 2012, clinton fainted at her home, suffering a concussion, which her husband said took her six months to recover from. at the time, the state department down played it as a stomach virus and dehydration. trump on the campaign trail unusually quiet about clinton's health. as both candidates vow to release more medical information this week. >> i'll be releasing very, very specific numbers. >> we'll have more information, but i've already released information about my health in this campaign as well as nearly 40 years of tax returns. we've already met a high standard of transparency, and we know the least about donald

trump of any candidate in recent american history. >> medical records could be coming from both sides later this week. before that, the clinton campaign trying to go back on offense to turn the page. this morning they're out with a brand new ad showing how they believe trump has insulted and demeaned some americans. now, clinton could return to campaign trail as early as tomorrow. perhaps with a speech in philadelphia if she's feeling up to it. chris and alisyn? >> jeff, thank you. >> thank you very much, my friend. so this interview with anderson cooper and hillary clinton is our first look at why the former secretary, why this happened, why it happened this way. she answered tough questions about transparency, which is the greater concern here for her and her campaign. take a listen. >> there's a lot of folks who are very worried about you. how are you feeling? >> oh, thank you, anderson. i'm feeling so much better. obviously i should have gotten

some rest sooner. i probably would have been better off if i'd just pulled down my schedule on friday, but like a lot of people, i just thought i could keep going forward and power through it, and obviously that didn't work out so well. >> a lot of people have seen the video of you being helped into the van. did you actually faint? did you pass out or lose consciousness? >> no, i didn't. i felt dizzy, and i did lose my -- >> why not just say on friday, as you said apparently so senator schumer on sunday, i have pneumonia folks, i'm going to power through it. why keep it a secret? >> well, i just didn't think it

was going to be that big a deal. you know, i know chuck said today he didn't tell anybody. it's just the kind of thing that if it happens to you, and you're a busy, active person, you keep moving forward. >> but doesn't your handling of this in your campaign -- you know, the refusal to acknowledge what happened until after that video circulated, confirmed suspicion of some voters that you're not transparent or trustworthy. >> oh, my goodness, anderson. you know, compare everything you know about me with my opponent. i think it's time he met the same level of disclosure that i have for years. you know, you've got a medical report on me that meets the same standard as mitt romney and barack obama. donald trump's doctor said he'd be the healthiest president in history. that's just not even serious. and i've released nearly 40 years of tax returns. he hasn't released one. this is a man with unknown numbers of partners and investors who says he's doing 120 foreign deals.

the american people deserve to know what he's up to and what he is hiding. so if we weren't fast enough, you know, i've talked to my staff, we take responsibility for that, but the information is out there. you can't say the same thing about donald trump. >> well, the trump campaign pouncing on clinton's, quote, basket of deplorables, that she made this weekend, claiming she has contempt for voters. this as trump running mate mike pence refuses to call former kkk leader david duke deplorable. sunlen serfaty is live in washington with more. >> reporter: well, the trump campaign there really trying to keep the spotlight very squarely focused on hillary clinton's gaffe. trump elevating this one step farther at his rally last night where he called a group of supporters up on to stage to give somewhat of testimonials as to why they think they're not deplorable. here's donald trump last night. >> after months of hiding from

the press, hillary clinton came out and finally told the world how she feels about the people of this country. she said tens of millions of patriotic americans are a basket of deplorables. how can you be president -- how can you be president for so many people? she talks about people like they're objects, not human beings. >> reporter: and as the trump campaign tries to go on the offensive, his running mate mike pence is causing them to play some defts. pence getting a little heat for his interview on cnn where he was asked about some of their support the campaign has attracted from white nationalists, including from david duke, a former kkk leader. now, pence did disavow david duke support, but he refused to call him deplorable. here's what he told wolf blitzer. >> i'm not really sure why the media keeps dropping david duke's name. donald trump has denounced david duke repeatedly. we don't want his support. and we don't want the support of

people who think like him. >> so you you would call him a deplorable? >> no, i'm not in the name calling business, wolf. you know me better than that. >> reporter: and the clinton campaign has pounced right on that, tweeting out, quote, if you won't say the kkk is deplorable, you have no business running the country. and a trump campaign official tells me that donald trump will keep up these attacks on hillary clinton over this deplorable comment. today at his event in iowa and later today we will see the return of his daughter ivanka trump. she'll be back out on the campaign trail campaigning with him in pennsylvania. chris, this is one of her first big appearances since her convention speech. >> all right, thank you very much. let's discuss these big ideas that are going on in the campaign with cnn political commentator and trump supporter kayleigh mcnenne and christine quinn. one for each of you. first you, christine. let's put that axelrod tweet back up. obviously not an enemy of the clintons. he ran the obama campaign against her in 2008.

antibiotics can take care of pneumonia. true, depending what kind. what's the cure for an unhealthy pension for privacy that repeatedly created unnecessary problems? my suggestion is this is not about her health. we have no proof to question her health in any legitimate way. however, we have a lot of proof to question the nature of transparency with this candidate and her campaign. you only get to know what they want you to know when they want you to know it. fair criticism? >> well, i think you could say the final part of what you said about most candidates out there, right, that they tell us the information. i think if anybody heard secretary clinton last night on anderson cooper, she made some very good points. she didn't think this was a big deal. she thought she could power through it. >> said the same thing about the server. just saying, just for an analogy. you know, i probably should have, i didn't think it was that big a deal, the control of information, the concern of what's going to happen to her if it gets out fuels almost a

paranoia. that's the criticism. >> but let me just say one thing. i respect hillary clinton in saying, i'm going to go to the 9/11 memorial, even though maybe the doctors said i should rest. i think that's something to be respected. >> me too. i did the interview with her on friday. we talked about health. we're both allergy sufferers. she didn't mention pneumonia. >> she may not have known. >> she's got a great engine. i'm not disputing that. i'm talking about the transparency. >> i believe as secretary clinton said last night, whether it's all of the e-mails that are now out, whether it's the medical information she's put out from a doctor who has actual privileges in new york city, which you cannot say about donald trump's doctor, all of the taxes, all of that that's out there is beyond in some cases an ethic standard of what's expected of a presidential candidate. and you cannot say that about donald trump. just to tell you, we see reports in "the washington post" of

phantom donations from the trump foundation. >> we'll cover that. we have the writer for "the washington post" on show today. "new day" has been all over this story. what are you taking exception to? >> to the fact she selectively discloses what is in her interests. but things she's required by law to disclose, the federal records act requires she preserves her e-mails, her aides took hammers to the blackberries and bleached the software from history. she can selectively disclose things. she's not required to disclose her medical records. why destroy documents you're required by law to preserve? >> using the phrase required by law would imply that some law had been broken. >> the federal records act was broken. >> with all due respect, as a lawyer, the head of the fbi, a man who you cannot question his record, has said no law was broken. >> hold on. let me pause. just for you at home who are following this, you're in law school, you're a lawyer. >> i'm not a lawyer. >> i'm a lawyer. just so you know.

the federal records act was arguably violated by what she did. that is a state department guideline that they would enforce. she was out of office when all this came out. so they could not enforce that. it being illegal is a term of art that would apply to the federal. that's what the fbi was looking at. they found no basis to prosecute this case. it's a little bit of a come plek issue. >> yes, absolutely. but i want to be clear. the director has said, the fbi director, no laws were broken. >> he called her extremely careless. >> beyond that, look at his record. what is necessary for presidential disclosure, which is a great little twist there by the trump campaign, is not the same thing as a legal standard. since richard nixon, every presidential candidate has disclosed their taxes. i'm not saying donald trump is

legally bound to do that. i'm saying he's ethically bound to do that. >> let's pick up that part of the ball. let's take this in pieces. with these two campaigns, there's a lot to talk about when it comes to transparency. let's not overwhelm the audience. fair criticism, trump has not given the kinds of disclosures we're used to seeing. the defense is, he's a private citizen. i find that unsatisfying. the foundation going on right now, the criticism, he could dump a ton of information to prove what mike pence is saying. all he has to do is release his taxes. charitable giving would be in there. he doesn't want to do it. is he to blame for questions of his own transparency? >> no, i don't think so. he's not required to release his taxes. if he doesn't want to do so, he doesn't have to. we know he's paid taxes within the bounds of law. >> how do we know? >> he survived nearly a dozen audits. >> why are they auditing him if it's such a clear question? >> many billionaires and millionaires are audited. >> many of them because they're trying to cheat the system.

>> donald trump has survived nearly a dozen audits. he's paying taxes within the bounds of the law. >> by the way, have you seen proof he's being audited right now? >> no, we don't know that, but we take him at his word. >> do you think that's odd? show us the irs letter. >> i can promise you this. the politicized irs who went after tea party groups using the federal government would somehow find a whatay to let us know. >> she said donald trump discloses what he wants to. he's not legally bound to disclose his taxes. so the question pops into my mind. what is he hiding if he doesn't disclose them? and why does he only tell us what he wants us to know and claims he's transparent? >> that's the same question people have about your candidate. >> she's disclosed 40 years of her taxes. >> because that's something she wanted us to know. >> you cannot say donald trump is giving everything if you then

say he only gives what he wants, which is what is in his best interest. let's go to his foundation. this is an entity we don't -- we believe he's given no money to, but we don't know that because he won't tell us, since 2008. the foundation gave an illegal contribution to the florida attorney general who then stepped down on her investigations into trump university. there are now reports in "the washington post" that he used foundation funds to buy items for himself, which is illegal, at best. >> we're going to pick this up later in the show. a quick rebuttal from you. >> "washington post," this is proof of horrendous journalism. you have the reporter coming on. that money went to breast cancer, which i think is a great cause an a worthy cause for a foundation to donate to. we're talking about five disclosures within his foundation, many of which can be proven off as merely clerical errors, versus the clinton foundation, where she met half

of the donors in nongovernment meetings. it was a revolving door of corruption. if you donated to the foundation, you got access to the state department. >> corruption implies that we have proven or shown pay for play. this is another situation that was investigated by the fbi, which is part of the clinton defense. my get investigated all the time about stuff. trump never has. what if it were on him? they found no proof of what you call corruption. corruption means something. it doesn't mean smells bad. means it is bad. >> since christine brings up the fbi and loves the director so much, the fbi director has recommended one foundation be investigated. that's the clinton foundation. the justice department declined to investigation. the fbi recommended investigation of the clinton foundation. >> we don't know who in the n bi. let's go back to the susan g. komen thing. i don't want to throw around breast cancer survivors as some cloak for donald trump. he was totally allowed to give foundation money to a good group, but he doesn't get to take the item. >> we don't know if he has the

item. have you seen the item? >> he purchased the item. this is a pattern of illegal of what appears to be illegal action in the trump foundation. you can't cover it up. there's none of his money there since 2008. so he's perfectly happy to give other people's money away to candidates, the florida attorney general, which is clearly something not allowed, and he was fined for that significantly. >> all right. on the foundation again, "new day" is taking this up with the writer from "the washington post." we'll vet that story. thank you very much for making the cases from the respective campaigns. alisyn? >> well, hillary clinton and donald trump are in the final stretch of the 2016 race. so what do each of the campaigns need to do to win? michael smerconish has some free advice next. (vo) maybe it was here, when you hit 300,000 miles. or here, when you walked away without a scratch. maybe it was the day your baby came home.

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it is crunch time for donald trump and hillary clinton. election day is just eight weeks from today. so let's bring in our cnn political commentator and host of "smerconish," michael smerconish, who has free advice this morning for the candidates. nice to see you, michael.

>> nice to see you. >> you have a prescription for each one of the candidates and what they need to do for the next eight weeks. let's pull up what you say donald trump needs to do. here's what you say. he needs to resist saying anything about hillary clinton's health. the less he says, the better. he needs to expand his tent beyond angry white guys without college degrees. he needs to look presidential in debates. care to expound on those? >> sure. i'll begin with number one. i think he's sitting on his iphone for the last 24 hours, and that's a really good thing because i am sure he is tempted to say something snarky about her health and the best that he can say is that he wishes her a full and speedy recovery. i'm sure that's difficult for him. expanding that tent is something we've described before. how does he do it? he's got to make the pitch directly to people of clo -- color. alisyn, even if he doesn't win over a significant number of

them, at least moderates will see him making that effort, and i think it will benefit him in those quarters. i'm really thinking of suburban and ex-urban college educated republicans who ought to be in his column and aren't. number three, as you reference, is the most obvious one. he gets a big opportunity at hofstra in just another two weeks. >> all right. other side. >> let's look at what clinton needs to do. number one, get healthy. mobilize the female young and people of color. and run out the clock without further e-mail revelations. these are easier said than done. your prescriptions for them. >> that's why the advice is free. >> exactly. >> well, number three is beyond her control. you know, number three, which is run out the clock without any more e-mail revelations, could be in the hands of vladimir putin. i'm convinced that the reason donald trump speaks so well of putin is he's trying to green light some type of a document

du dump in the time days of the campaign. getting healthy is obvious. if i can just say, as someone who completely lacks medical credentials, if i had a family member that i was driving in a minivan who stumbled into the van the way she did, i would not have been driving to a daughter's apartment in chelsea. i would have been driving to at least a physician's office and probably an e.r. i can't help but saying but for that are video, would we know any of this? and finally with regard to her, she's got to mobilize those constituencies that barack obama does so well with. today he's in my hometown of philadelphia. no doubt with that specific goal in mind. >> i have a question. >> go ahead. the move by trump to play to advantage the deplorable comment, no question she overreached by saying 50%. she's admitted that. do you think this can work for trump, of all people, to say hillary clinton is disqualified from being president because she's too critical of people.

>> listen, by the way that she explained it, i've got some deplorables who are a butter knife away from me at the thanksgiving table. so i better be careful. i think what really is happening is that he gets to motivate his baits, but i don't know that he necessarily grows it with that comment. but that is the ultimate way for her to have stoked his constituency to come out on election day. does it move the needle with anybody else? i don't know. on radio so far, it's a rorschach test. people who are for her say, yeah, she was right. people for him say, how dare she say that. >> i want to get back to her pneumonia for a second, michael, because you brought that up. are we, as voters, entitled to know on friday that she had pneumonia? >> absolutely. in my opinion. her yale law school classmate was lannie davis. he wrote a great book about crisis management with three mantra in it, which was to say

tell it early, tell it all, and tell it yourself. she's violated that coda. i don't know how she made it through that interview with chris, by the way. but then to set up the scenario where on friday we all learned the details and not until hours after. she's her own worst enemy in circumstances like this. and what it does is reinforces the liabilities that her campaign possesses about lack of trustworthiness. by the way, one final point. everything she said to anderson last night about trump is true. he ought to release his taxes. he ought to release his health records. they both should. >> so why doesn't she go the full bernstein? we had carl bernstein on the show. he says the remedy for hillary and what would hurt trump the most is go full transparency. hold these press conferences out the wazoo. give the speeches from wall street. give everything and show this is the kind of president i'll be.

the suspicion is you can't trust me. here. here's everything. what do you want to know, and i'll give it to you. trump won't. why doesn't she play it that way if you're going to ask them to do impossible things? >> first of all, i like carl's advice. i agree with it. i think it runs contrary to her dna and probably to his as well, meaning bill's. they really are of a mind set there's a vast right-wing conspiracy. part of that is true. there is, but it gets fueled by the way in which they handle these sort of circumstances. i think that's probably a brilliant strategy that she immediately now be forthcoming with everything and shine the spotlight back on him. >> all right, michael. thanks. always great to get your take on all of this. thanks for being here. >> so let's go into this idea that michael was teeing up for us here about the transparency and the nature of these candidates. let's look at it in the context of history. there's no question there's still major questions about both trump and clinton. are they going to be more open

after the scrutiny of this week? two of their supporters from congress are going to debate whether or not these two are the least transparent candidates we've ever had.

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well, i just didn't think it was going to be that big a deal. compare everything you know about me with my opponent. i think it's time he met the same level of disclosure that i have for years. >> questions of transparency plaguing both candidates. hillary clinton under fire for not disclosing her pneumonia diagnosis while donald trump has refused to release any medical records or tax returns. let's debate this with tennessee congresswoman marsha blackburn and debbie dingell. great to see both of you. you're both going to make your

case for your candidate. congresswoman dingell, let me start with you. should hillary clinton have disclosed to the press and the public on friday that she was dealing with pneumonia? >> she probably should have in retrospect. i hope she realizes that. but i'm also going to say to you, i think that we're making much ado about a lot right now in terms of her actual health. i'm a woman of her generation, a few years younger. i'm telling you that for my entire career, you power through. if i was sick, i mean, i had major surgery and was back at work in three or four days because that's just what you do. and, you know, stepping up into vans, i trip getting into the stool here that i'm sitting in because it's high. so yes, she's got to just understand everybody's micromanaging what her health is. but i also want to know why we're not screaming as loud about donald trump. she has made more records available than any candidate in

history. we don't know donald trump's medical history. >> hold on. she hasn't made more medical records. i'm holding what she's made available. it's two pages. every one of the predecessors has made much more comprehensive medical records available than she has. >> she has over the years. now she gets it. she's going to be releasing more. donald trump's was like a nanosecond worth. and not even a report on what his health really is. so i think both of them need to be held to the same standard. if she sneezes, she needs to tell us it's a sneeze or an allergy or whatever it is. >> congresswoman blackburn, let's talk about this letter donald trump released. one page, four paragraphs. how is this transparent? >> well, i think one of the things that you are seeing is that in this day and age, alisyn, people are wanting to know more about the people that are on the ballot. that can be a very good thing. i understand that mr. trump has said he has recently had a

medical exam and is going to release that information, but going back to hillary clinton, i do think what has happened is through the years there has been this pattern of, if you will, a deceptive attitude of hiding things, whether it's the claintn foundation or the e-mails and what transpired there or the benghazi situation. so people come to that lens of viewing her with the element of distrust and that she is hiding something or doesn't want to tell the truth. alisyn, i think that's the filter that kind of gets her in a little bit of trouble right now. people want to know. pneumonia, really? would you have gone to your daughter's house with babies in the house having pneumonia? no. >> she was already on antibio c antibioti antibiotics, she says. are you suggesting she didn't have pneumonia or something worse?

>> i don't know. i don't know. i just am saying as a grandmother, i saw that and i thought, you would go to the house with the babies in it if you had pneumonia? if i think i've got a cold, i'm very careful about how i interact with my grand babies. >> about donald trump's taxes. is it time for him to release his taxes? >> well, trump has filed all of his financial paperwork with the federal election commission. that's a requirement. he's met every deadline there. i think it is fair to say give us some general outlines so that we know a little more about that. people are curious about that. i have every confidence that mr. trump is going to provide the information. >> to release his taxes. you have every confidence he'll release his taxes? >> there are audits going on, but i think the information that people want to know a little bit more about, i think there are

ways too to do that and that financial disclosure is one of those. i think there will be others. >> just because this came up this morning on our show, how do you know, in fact, that he's under an audit? he hasn't even released the letter from the irs saying he's under an audit. >> yeah, i heard you all saying, talking about that. that is a question that people have. how extensive is the audit, how many years? i don't know the answer to that. i do know that many times individuals who are self-employed, small businesses, individuals that own privately held companies, they do have a tendency to face more audits and of course the irs commissioner at this point in time has been a little less than fair. that's why there's discussion about impeaching the irs commissioner. >> are you satisfied with the level of transparency that donald trump has provided for his financials? >> sure. i think you can go look at his fec filings and get a good picture of what is there. >> congresswoman dingell, is

hillary clinton now going to release a more fulsome picture of her medical records? >> my understanding is that she's going to be releasing more this week. i hope that donald trump is going to release more and let us see those records. i would say with all due respect to my colleague, who i really like working for, i don't think we're seeing anything from the donald trump side. we don't know what his holdings are. we don't know who he's doing business with. if he's completed audits in the past, give us a tax return from years past so we can see what it was at some point. let's treat both candidates with the same level of transparency. they both need to get it. we care about everything in their life. we need to see everything. i think you see one candidate being much more forthcoming in releasing records than we've seen the other side. let's treat them to both equally. >> congresswoman dirngell, are you satisfied donald trump has given tens of millions of dollars, as mike pence said, to charity? because we're not seeing evidence of that. >> you know, i think all of us need to give at the level we can

afford to. i don't know what he's given because we won't make his tax returns public. we won't show us what he's done. i just think that's why i'm saying if hillary hadn't made hers, we would be screaming equally. >> how about that, congresswoman blackburn? >> many times people like giving money anonymously. we don't know who mr. trump has given to. i think just knowing and being aware he has given this money, he has participated and supported charities, that's a very good thing. >> but we don't know if he's given his own money, actually. >> some of the stories of his generosity are out and about, alisyn. i think that more of those will be coming out over the next 56 days as we approach election day. of course people like to know that candidates give back. it's a good thing to give back more than you take. i think the american people want

to see leadership that will begin to do that. washington is primarily -- and debbie and i have seen this. people think of washington as a greedy town where people are all about themselves and cronyism runs rampant. so what they want in leadership is to understand a few things, that you do give things back, you give back more than you take, leave things in better th shape than you. found them. >> sure. they also seem to want transparency so they can know how much their leaders have given. >> you're right. >> tax returns, they could reveal how much he's given to charity because "the washington post" says that in the past eight years that they studied in their investigation, they can find only $10,000 out of his own pocket. would that be enough, congresswoman bla congresswoman backburn? >> i don't know anything about "the washington post" and their story.

let's leave this to the c campaign. that's a question for them. i know mr. trump has been very generous with his time and his abilities, as have his children. i know the clinton foundation has had a history of not reporting foreign contributions, of not filing 990s, of spending only 13% of what they bring in. >> we're talking about their own personal donations. >> that is their foundation. >> there are questions about the trump foundation and what they've given to as well. congresswoman, thank you very much for making the case. >> good to be with you. >> you too. thank you for making the case for your candidates. chris? >> up next, a dose of reality. these two candidates are two of the oldest that we've had. so what should be the standard, not the law, because we can't get any laws passed right now, but what should be the standard? what should you know about candidates and their health? we have an expert next. [ "on the road again," by willie nelson ] ♪ on the road again

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all right. the good news is that the pressure is on both candidates to release more information, financial and certainly medical, after what we just went through with hillary clinton, who we now know is being treated for pneumonia, she says. candidates are not required by law to release their full medical records. some do, to prevent speculation, like what we're going through right now, but what could we see in medical records? what should we see if we want to make a straight evaluation? let's discuss with an assistant

professor of anesthesiology at the nyu school of medicine. let's start with the specific. what you saw with the video of hillary clinton and what you've heard about it being pneumonia and the list of other things she's on for thyroid and allergies and such. what would be your concern right now in terms of her specifically? >> well, right now with pneumonia, just want to make sure she stays hydrated, especially since she had that episode and that she's responding in terms of the antibiotics. if it's bacterial, are these the right antibiotics? >> not all pneumonia requires antibiotics. what you saw of the video, that is something that can happen when you're dehydrated? >> definitely, definitely. your blood pressure can get low. your oxygen level can get low if you have pneumonia, and you can have an episode like that. >> all right. so now that's the specific. we get to this macro issue of transparency. as a doctor, what do you think that voters would want to know about two older candidates in terms of fitness for office?

>> well, i think it has to do with their risk of death and disability. so if you apply for any job, you usually have to go through some kind of preemployment testing, whether it's through employee health or through your own doctor. i think an objective person might be a little bit better than your own doctor because your own doctor is your advocate and you control also how much they can say. >> is that true? i got some stink from doctors yesterday. really, sanjay should have gotten it because he said it first. but everybody loves sanjay. the suggestion was, whoa, whoa, doctors are objective. that's not always the case. if this is your doctor, it would not be unusual. they are your advocate. so you believe it should be independent review, someone like you, sanjay, to look at it. what would be the "it"? what would you want to see? >> i think it has to be a combination of the patient's own doctor who's followed them for a long time, but then an independent review of what they've done as well. but the things i would be looking for, let's say if we're talking about risk of death, i mean, in the age group of 65 and above, the things you worry about most statistically based

on the cdc findings are heart disea disease, if someone has some type of neurologic illness or if they're at risk for cancer. those are the things that are the highest probability that someone might potentially die from. >> so we're putting up on the screen now for the audience stress tests, that's your possible heart disease, imaging studies, mris, c.a.t. scans, lab work, and all of this you would want the records, right? >> the records usually. you like to see what they've had done. sometimes people avoid the doctor or don't necessarily report symptoms. if you haven't seen the doctor in 20 years, you might not have a lot of medical conditions. >> that's a fair point. so do you believe that the time has come that we should have candidates, especially in this upper age category, reviewed? you know, the way you do for everything else. you want insurance. they're going to come and look at you themselves. you want to be a pro athlete and

they're going to pay you this money, certainly that exposure is a lot less than someone being the leader of the freeway wor w. do you think the time has come to have somebody look at these people? >> i think so. i mean, not just based on age. i think we should have a set criteria for what are the job tasks, the essential job functions, and then based on that, look at what tests would be most appropriate to see if the person can perform those functions. some of that may not involve your risk of death. it may be your vision or hearing if you're thinking about someone's ability to communicate in high-pressure settings, or read the room, their ability to observe what's going on. >> to be clear that, list we put up on the screen has not been satisfied by either. clinton has come closer. not as close as those in the past. doctor, thank you so much. do me a favor. when we get the information in from them, we'll have you back so you can say here's what they gave us, here's what we still need, here's what it means. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. alisyn? >> how much money has donald trump given to charity? up next, "the washington post"

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the 2017 passat s for just $199 a month. all right. the washington post has new reporting out. you have to read it for yourself. this is not simple. it's complicated. read it. take the time. this particular story is about donald trump's charitable giving. that's been a big source of controversy in this election. report claims trump has not

donated to his own foundation since 2008 and it also says that there is nothing to prove claims that the mogul has given away tens of millions of dollars. joining us to shed light on the reporting is david farringold. thank you for joining us. let's start with checking the headlines. mike pence says there is no question that donald trump has given away tens of millions of dollars of his own money. can you prove that? >> no, i can't, and in fact i've asked the trump campaign to prove that for me, to tell me the evidence that proves what mike pence was talking about. they refused. yesterday they sent a statement calling our previous reporting inaccurate but not offering any new details about trump's giving. >> how did you figure out what goes on in the trump foundation? >> well, what we did, we started with the tax filings. unlike donald trump, they are required to publicly disclose. took the donations it said it gave, took the donations it said

it came in and called the people to see if they gave the money, got the money and what the story was behind the donations. we started with that. we talked to over 200 groups that either gave or got money from the trump foundation. >> so let me see if i have this right. the suggestion would be it says that donald j. trump foundation, but it's not his money. usually your name is on the foundation, it's your money. if you're dead, it was your money before you died. here you're saying you found through reporting that the money that the foundation gives is not necessarily trump's money. and, in fact, he has not put any money into the foundation since when? >> since 2008. that's in tax records. he hasn't given any money to his own foundation since 2008. instead he's been giving away other people's money since then. as you said, the expectation is if you have your name on a foundation, it's your money. that's the way most other people do it. i thought of other tax experts who said they couldn't think of somebody who kept their name on

it, stopped giving money and gave other people's money away with their name on it. >> trump has given millions, the foundation has given $102 million over the last five years. this is a good thing. what's your response? >> well, there is sort of playing some games with the words here. so it was a list the trump campaign put out that said it was $102 million of donald trump's charitable donations. we dug into that. this was a story that happened a couple of months ago. it turns out that list of $102 million contained not one dollar out of donald trump's own pocket. instead, most of the gifts were gifts of free rounds of golf given away by trump's golf courses to local charities, which is charity but not money out of donald trump's pocket which is sort of what they implied it was. we've asked them for other evidence. anything else? anything that would prove donald trump gives money out of his pocket to charity and we've heard nothing. >> you guys were early on the story that the foundation got

caught by the irs by making a political donation which this type of foundation is not allowed to do. what else did you find in there that approaches, let alone crosses, a legal line? >> well, there's a couple of things. one is there are a number of incorrect listings in its tax filings. it described gifts that don't appear to exist. one relates to that illegal campaign contribution. when trump's foundation filed its taxes with the irs, it didn't list the illegal contribution as it was supposed to. instead listed a nonexistent donation to another group. basically they added a fake donation, they say inadvertently. it served the purpose or served the effect of covering up the illegal contribution in their irs filings. there's another thing which you guys referred to earlier. irs prohibit nonprofit managers from using the charity's money for buying things for themselves. trump has done that twice.

he bought a $12,000 football helmet and he bought a 6 foot portrait of himself. >> he bought a portrait of himself that was being sold for charity and trump bought it. now the pushback on that is, yeah, but it was money that was going to the komen foundation for breast cancer. isn't that a good thing? why do you think this matters? >> it matters to the irs. it certainly was money in both cases, these were auctions held by a charity. the check was written to a charity. that's not enough. the irs says if you want to do that, you want to buy an auction to a charity for yourself, you give it out of your own pocket if the item is going to go to you. if you buy something with the charity's money, the thing that you buy has to have a charitable purpose. it has to go to a charity, help a charity. you can't say the money went to the charity in the end. it's incidental i got the helmet or the painting. if you got the thing, you need to come forward. i gave this tim tebow football

helmet to another charity, i gave this portrait to another charity. he hasn't done this. >> when people read this story, i hope they do, this vetting matters there, will be a question of, well, the so what factor. how does this size up to what we were hearing about the clinton foundation and what were allegations of pay for play in the highest levels with foreign governments, people who could be bad actors. do you see a false equivalence being applied here in the campaign? >> well, the distinction here, the trump foundation and clinton foundation are really different animals. the clinton foundation is really big, 2,000 employees, work all over the world. the questions about what hillary clinton did there are very different than the ones trump are facing. in her case you said it's about did she give special access or special favors to people who donated to the clinton foundation. the trump foundation is not whether he did anything wrong as a government official, obviously he's not. it's about his own personal approach to charity and his own what sort of moral

responsibility does he feel to helping the world. he's obviously a very rich man, at least he says he's a very rich man. what responsibility does he feel to use that money for good. what we have found is he doesn't seem to have spent his own money to charity and in fact went to great lengths to get other people's money that he could give away so he could appear of being charitable without having the sacrifice of giving anything himself. >> thank you for joining us on "new day." >> thank you. there's a lot of news going on. this call for transparency. what do you deserve to know? we have the latest. let's get to it. obviously i should have gotten some rest sooner. i thought i could keep going forward and power through it. >> she's doing thyme. just got dehydrated. >> compare everything you know about me with my opponent. the information is out there. you can't say the same thing about donald trump. >> my opponent slanders you as deplorable and irredeemable. >>