good morning. i'm brian stelter. time for "reliable sources," our weekly look at the stories hin the stories. this morning new york city is on high alert, well aware of last night's explosion on 23rd street here in manhattan. at this hour a possible second device is being taken apart and probed by law enforcement. we've heard from the governor saying this does not appear to be linked to international terrorism, but there is a lot we still don't know. we're standing by for a press conference in the next hour with new york city mayor bill de blasio and a number of other officials. in the meantime, there is a whole the lot happening at the intersection of media an politics. donald trump is playing a game. a game reporters are getting tired of playing. honestly, they're getting tired of being played. consider the five things he did just that week. on wednesday he brought his

reality tv campaign to the dr. oz show pretending to be transparent about his health. >> i have no problem with doing it. i have it right here. should i do it? i don't care. [ applause ] >> it's two letters. one is the report and the other is from lenox hill hospital. >> so these are the report 46- >> those are all the tests that were just done. >> and then on turs thursday, outright bragging about ditching the reporter who travel with him. there are about 20 in the traveling press corps, but they were stuck at the airport while he was speaking. >> i have really good news for you. i just heard that the press is stuck on their airplane, they can't get here. i love it. so they're trying to get here now. they will be about 30 minutes late. they called us and said could you wait. i said absolutely not.

let's get going. >> now on friday, his greatest are on you lowest trick of all, having all the cameras lined up to cover possibly a press conference about his original sin as a politician. his promotion of discredited birther conspiracy theory. but this event, it was really an infomercial for his latest hotel in d.c. and then coal becombine string of endorsements and then the confession at the end. journalists tried to shout questions at him. trump refused to answer. and then an aide physically stopped a producer from going on a tour of the trump hotel so he couldn't be asked any questions about the birther lie. that was friday. and then yesterday, another troubling development. this time in houston. we're still seeking more information on this one. vice news reporter arrested while trying to gain access to trump's campaign event. this was the hotel that was apparently involved. we're still getting more information on it. we know the reporter now has

been freed on bond, but there are a lot of questions about what happened there. let's call it what it is. trump is showing its contempt for the press. when we say he's a threat to press freedom, this is what we're talking about. joining me now, an excellent panel to get into more detail. lynn sweep, "chicago sun-times." s.e. cupp, david farenholt, and jeremy diamond. jeremy, let me start with you. a rare day for you in new york. you're usually on the campaign trail wherever donald trump is. tell me what happened this was. was this a new low in the relations between trump and the media? >> i think a lot of the reporters like myself who cover donald trump on a daily basis certainly feel take way. we had a number of instances from that dr. oz taping where campaign aides told us that he was not going to discuss his medical records and then donald trump did just that.

>> 9:00 a.m. that day, he said he would not be showing his physical exam results. 10:30, he did it . >> and then we landed in new hampshire and donald trump is there, first he's talking on stage already and then he's mocking us, mocking the fact that he left us behind, a problem only caused by the fact that he does not have a protective full, meaning he does not have press traveling with him on his plane which is already in and of itself defying decades of precedent. and then the event on friday which campaign aides told reporters covering the campaign that it would be a press conference opportunity that we would get to ask donald trump about -- >> that is so interesting. so you all were told that you would be able to ask questions. it wouldn't be just apinfo per shal for his hotel. >> absolutely. this is on background from campaign officials of course. >> so they won't put their name on the record, but they're telling you information that usually checks out to be true. >> exactly. at least it's supposed to be true when you're covering a

normal campaign that needs to give you information ahead of time. so we arrived at this news conference and for 20 minutes donald trump essentialbly got a live tv infomercial where he was able to have a commercial about all these veterans embracing him on a deciay when he was disavow the most controversial aspect of his life in politics. >> you said normal campaigns. is this a normal campaign? >> in a lot of regards it isn't. there a much small are staff than typically is. there are very few communication officials with the campaign. just two spokespeople. and it's rare to get your request for comments returned. >> so do you find yourself struggling to filing ofigure ou how to cover this campaign? feels like we're being played sometimes?g figure out how to cover this campaign? feels like we're being played sometimes?

>> after 15 interested month, i gotten used to it. but it's difficult when donald trump is talking about the explosion in new york city just minutes, half an hour after the reports came in, and i'm trying to call hope or jason, trying to call campaign officials to understand why donald trump is calling this a bomb. what information does he have. and you get essentially radio silence from this campaign. so that makes it difficult to get the truth out there and to get their side of the story as well as far as why donald trump is saying certain things. >> let me bring everybody else into the conversation. lynn, let me ask you about the desire to treat both sides exactly the same. so say it frutrump is bad with media, clinton must be equally bad. she went almost nine months without holds a big full fledge press conference. so i want to ask you, are these two campaigns equal in their treatment or their mistreatment

of the media? >> they're each a story in and of itself and this is a point i'd like to make. you don't have to do a comparable in order to cover one side. and this is the trap i think that journalists are falling into. before i can assess how donald trump is doing, i also have to do the second story on hillary clinton. these are two story lines of course you should have had more press conferences. but that is a misdemeanor compared to the felonies that you've just described when you deal with the press. and they're not comparable. they shouldn't be treated as comparables. and i encourage my journalist brothers and sisters to look at this as not the two stories in one every day every single way. that's the trap p that people are falling in to and it's hard sometimes to get away from it, but now is the time to do that. >> misdemeanor versus felony.

i'll keep that in mind going forward. let's talk about the press conference that actually wasn't a press conference in d.c. at the trump hotel. was cable news partly responsible for taking it too seriously by showing this info pler shal for the better part of half an hour? >> i think since the beginning most people in the media have thought we'll cover every outrageous thing donald trump does because it will expose his weaknesses and finally maybe that will get rid of him and i think that has been the mistake of many in the media throughout the primary. >> are you saying that's been intentional, journalists are trying to get read of trump? >> i think the vast majority of media outlets covering trump in any sort aof muscular way thougt that the more we show you can the less likely it will be that he can survive all the way to november. i do think that that was a

mindset of many in the media and that's what propelled a lot of the coverage. now, there is also an appetite, media companies or businesses, and there is an appetite to see what trump is going to say from viewers. so it's a symbiotic relationship for sure. but now that he's the last guy standing for the republicans in the general, what is happening when they go to these press conferences that turn into infomercials is it really just elevates his stature as the republican nominee and it really shows that he is in charge. and i think for too long a lot of folks in the media have allowed both candidates, and i'm the not making a comparison, there is no comparison between these two, but have allowed both candidates to really set the stage of control with the media does. whether hillary clinton's rope line herding reporters around a campaign stop or donald trump playing the press at every turn, for getting that the media really has a lot of control over

what they cover and what they can do. so like lynn would say to her friends in journalism, i would say to my fren friends this journalism, we still have some control here. we're not completely at the will of these two very influential, very powerful people. >> interesting. david, i want to get you in, but jeremy, talking about control briefly, what could be done? give us an idea what have could be done differently. >> it's hard to say at this point. i think that reporters are trying as hard as they can to continue to press donald trump, to continue to force the campaign to really do more press availabilities. but donald trump on friday, his 51st day since doing a news conference. >> almost time for a countdown clock. >> absolutely. and we're getting to the point where donald trump used to be very, very accessible to the press. at the beginning of his campaign, he was extremely accessible and that has really

changed. that has completely changed now and he is less accessible i think in many regards than hillary clinton at this point. >> you cued up a commentary to me for later in the hour. this time last week, hillary clinton was missing. reporters didn't know where she was. she left the 9/11 ceremony early almost collapsing on the sidewalk. but it wasn't until this moment we knew where clinton was because she left her press corps behind. that was a felony to use the s misdemean misdemeanor/felony point. david, you were there and i want to hear what your experience was like. you were trying to yell gets at donald trump. take us there, tell us what that was like. >> you sort of set the scene in the beginning. trump as these veterans come out and say nice things about him, he gives a brief announcement about how he's renouncing the live birtherism and then the amaze thing, he separated us

repo reporters from the stage. and jen flygeneral flynn starts speaking and then he wals offer the stage. so he almost like batman,s d he disappeared without anyone being able to yell like a complete idiot questions a s he leaves te room. >> the technique works sometimes. i just have a quick suggestion, though, for my brothers and sisters who were there and who get access to him. i think sometimes the questions need to be better. so the question right now, we know the answer to is will you release tax returns. we've been through that. let's have a better question. one that is a little more doable. just give us the pages with your

charitable donations. okay, those are pages that just state his facts. not -- that would not be important -- that is important information to reveal, but it is something that worpn't impact a audit one way or the other. so one bite sized suggestion. >> and david, as someone who has been dominating the debate, when we come back being i want to ask you more about your reporting about trump's foundation. up next here, carl berstein on hillary clinton's week of health talk and media mistreatment. plus exclusive interview of man not invited to the debate. i'll ask gary johnson what is next for his campaign. (vo) stank face. an expression of disgust caused by inadequate litter tidy cats is the cure. with new guaranteed tidylock protection, you won't have to face one more stank face. tidy cats.

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welcome back. t minus 8 days to the first debate. the whole country waiting for this to start, but only two candidates will grace the first debate stage. hillary clinton and donald trump. that leaves out third party candidate jill stein and gary johnson. stein's absence is less of a surprise. her numbers have remained relatively low of 3%, 4%. but johnson's numbers have been better at 9%. but not enough to make the stage. he has to meet a 15% threshold.

so what will he do next? gary johnson is joining me from los angeles. great to see you. thank you for being here. >> i have a trivia question for you. and not to put you on the spot, but was ross perot polling higher or lower than me before he was allowed in the first presidential debate? >> i believe he was polling lower. so tell me why you're bringing that up. >> well, just that after a row o pr rper row appeared in those debate, they set a threshold that will never put a third party on the stage again. and i think most people are surprised by the fact that ross perot who had such a good showing at this point prior to the first presidential debate was polling lower than i am right now. >> the commission on presidential debates was established almost 30 years ago. they say they are nonpartisan.

i would call them bipartisabipa made up of democrats and republicans. let me play what mike mccurry said yesterday. he was talking about why the bar is set where it is. let's see if we can play that. actually, i don't think we have it quite yet, but he said that they had to set some sort of threshold, some sort of criteria, so they set the 15% bar more than a year ago in order to give everybody time to meet the threshold. wasn't it a failure of your campaign, sir, not to meet the 15% mark? >> you know what, here is another issue, i've never had an issue with 15%, but that my name has never appeared on the top line of any national poll. and # 9% of the media only reports the top line, so 70% of america right now doesn't even know i'm in the race.9# 9% of t reports the top line, so 70% of america right now doesn't even know i'm in the race.9% of the reports the top line, so 70% of america right now doesn't even know i'm in the race. so that is manipulation in a way that goes completely unnoticed by everybody. if mickey mouse were the third

name, mickey would be at 30 because mickey is anybody but. but mickey is not on the ballot in all 50 states and i'm the only third party along with bill weld, we're the only third party candidates on the ballot the in all 50 states. 50% of americans when they go it register to vote are saying that they are independent. where is that representation? well, it's bill weld and myself. >> no doubt i want all americans to know about your campaign. and let me try another sound bite. chris wallace was talking to you about what would happen if you didn't make it on the debate stage. here's what happened. >> would you agree that if you don't get in to the debates, it's game over? >> winnings election, yes, i would say game over winning the election. but the president -- >> with that in mind, what happens after this debate? now that you won't be on the stage, is the campaign over? >> well, no, the clock still

ticks. so getting to 15% and being in the second and third debate, my partner, fiance, best friend, kate, she said gary, this is just your luck, you don't have to hassle with the first debate and you'll still get elected president. >> sounds like spin to me, gary. but you're saying your goal now is to get to the october debates? >> well, sure. the clog does keep on ticking. and thank you for letting me on your show. look, i'm polling high in er th ross perot did and at one point he was leading the contest. that is the opportunity that exists if you're in the presidential debates. it's not a two party race. there are more in this case bill weld and myself are on the ballot in all 50 states. i think that speaks volumes. 50% of americans when they register to vote are registers as independent.

help. >> let me ask you about bill weld. it's our understanding that he is feeling pressure to drop out of the race. he doesn't want to see donald trump being elected as a result of the third party taking votes around from hillary clinton. do you feel pressure to withdraw from the race? >> absolutely not. this is a two party -- this is a party that needs to be ruined. they have done this to themselves. they have become so polarized, their only agenda is to kill each other. what about a third scenario in lieu of trump and clinton will everything will be more polarized than ever? what about a third scenario where weld and i get elected big six lane highway down the middle, we'll hire republicans, democrats, everybody will be libertarian leaning and call out both sides to come to the middle to deal with the problems that the country faces? i think that third scenario, brian, has at least the

opportunity -- the best opportunity of succeeding. >> are you saying the libertarian party is the middle between the democrats and republicans? >> right now, a big six lane highway down the middle at the moment. big six lane. >> never heard that before. >> well, fiscally responsible, smaller government, socially inclusive, let people make choices in their own lives. stop with these military interventions, stop supporting regime change that resulted if a less safe world and then the only free traders of the three candidates. look, free trade, let's bring the world together with free trade. >> you mentioned a safe world and i want to get your reaction to the events here in new york. one bomb -- excuse me, one explosion, donald trump calling it a bomb, hillary clinton also calling it a bombing. there was also the guys in a exploded in new jersey yesterday. and there was an incident in minnesota, stabbing at a mall in

minnesota and that person shot by police. tell me your reaction to these news stories from the past 24 hours and what the government needs to be doing on a day like today. >> well, first of all, just great ifle that nobody got hurt. secretary of defen secondly, responders are on the scene. if there is anything that i learned having been governor of new mexico for eight years, is that these people really do care, they are really qualified, they really do get to the bottom of this. and by getting to the bottom of this as an elected official, look, we'll find out who is responsible. whether it is an individual or a group. and they will be brought to justice. and that is something that all of us demand. all of us. >> gary johnson, thank yyou ver much for being here. we'll keep an eye on the debate challenge. >> thanks. up next, carl berstein will join me to talk about coverage

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welcome back to "reliable sources." i'm brian stelter. we're standing by for about a press conference about last night's explosion in new york city. thankfully no one killed, but about two dozen people injured. all of them now released from area hospitals. there is now an investigation obviously under way, both about what happened and also a second possible device found nearby. it's actually being taken apart right now. so we hope to learn much more coming up at noon this press conference in new york city. i was in the swing state of pennsylvania yesterday and as you can imagine, every single person i see, i asked them about the election. tried to get a survey from these voters and almost every single clinton voter i talked to told me the same thing. that they believe the media ya is going too easy on trump.

meanwhile trump supporters said we're all helping hillary. journalists have been everyone's election season punching bag. i think some viewers are projecting their other fears about the race on to the coverage. but that doesn't excuse sloppy and unbalanced reporting. and my next guest definitely sees an imbalance. joining me now is carl berstein and author of a woman in charge, life of hillary rodham clinton. carl, great to sigh yee you. we were just hearing from gary johnson. i was curious for your impressions. do you believe that he should be on the debate stage in eight days? we know he won't get an invitation. >> no, there are rules and he hasn't met the 15% threshold. and i was the one that first reported i think that bill weld i believe is thinking about dropping out of this race if it looks like he and gary johnson might get donald trump elected.

weld decembz spices trump. i don't think he's made up his mind, but it's certainly a point if it looks like spices trump. i don't think he's made up his mind, but it's certainly a point if it looks likespices trump. i don't think he's made up his mind, but it's certainly a point if it looks likezes trump. i don't think he's made up his mind, but it's certainly a point if it looks likeses trump. i don't think he's made up his mind, but it's certainly a point if it looks like that it would help touchdown and he would go help hillary clinton. so stay tuned on that. >> interesting. let's talk about the last seven days of hillary clinton's campaign. her near collapse last sunday. off the campaign trail for several days and now back on. has she fully recovered in a political and media sense from what happened last weekend? >> i don't know the answer to that question because there is a much larger question about the overall coverage of this campaign by the electronic media, by cable and network news. we've been terrific at interpretation at giving extra time to debate panels.

but we've been positively awful in terms of reporting in a coherent way the story of will this campaign, the real existing life and record of donald trump. the new york times, "washington post," the "wall street journal" have done fabulous reporting on this. and we give snippets of it. we need to be doing an hour, two hours a night of real biography, running it over and over of what trump's life and record have been about because they're at absolute odds with the mythical and lying story that has told us. he's a con man. it's been established. and also he has presided over a cover up of his own life. and we have allowed it in cable news and network news particularly. >> here we are talking about it. and i have to push back a little bit. i see comments like yours every day and yet you could say it's all coming from liberals who don't want to see trump e elect.

isn't there a visceral hate of trump by the journalists and isn't that seeping through in the coverage? >> i wouldn't call it hatred. i think that there is realization and it's not just liberals, i think it's conservative, too, there is realization that trump is a con man. and that that is a big part of the story. look, we have reported and nobody has been tougher on hillary clinton especially on the server question than i, i've said it's indefensible what she did with it, and we have reported on her whole life. she has been around for 25, 30 years in public on the public stage. and we know her every position and record and her life. trump is different. he's a new kid on the block in terms of being in a presidential campaign. we need to do what the "washington post" and "new york times" and the other print press or old fashioned media has done, which is to report the real

existing record repeatedly. that is the story here. and that is where the clinton campaign has a really good beef against the media. we haven't -- it's not equal. it's disequal that we have allowed donald trump to play us like this and we focus on his outrageous statements which we do every day and we give equal time to those on his side and hillary's side debating these crazy statements and positions that he changes every day. and we analyze that, but do we go back and look at his whole business record? no. we don't. how about a real investigative biography on msnbc, on cnn that runs every night about donald trump and about hillary clinton, about their two lives? put them side by side and run it every night until the debates. >> let me ask you about what nick kristof wrote in the "new york times." i think he was channeling a lot

of the frustrations some feel. he said where he shoue should b, not lap dogs. for my part, i've never met a national poll continitician as informed and decent sif as trump. he's not normal. and somehow that is what our barks need to cko convey. he's an opinion journalist, but do you think journalists who try to be fair to both sides are failing by not calling this stuff out? >> i think again the question of donald trump's stability, preparation, knowledge, ignorance if it were that, is a big part of the story. we've never had a candidate before running for president certainly in the modern age who there are serious questions about his stability. >> hold on. are you talking about his mental stability? what are you saying there?

>> about his ability to deal with problems in a level-headed way, the problems of the kind that the presidency throws at someone. it's not just about responding. but again, let's look at his record. >> but i can hear trump supporters yelling at the tv right now saying that you and i and everybody on cnn is part of the problem. that's why trump attacks cnn on twitter all time. he thinks we're relentlessly against him. >> first of all, look at how we gave him all the air time we have and particularly during the period when he was seek the nomination. we gave him more free air time than any candidate has received in history. we did not give hillary clinton equal amounts of time. look, i'm saying put the two of them up there next to each other in terms of their record, their lives. do it as documentary form. and that is fair, it is, quote,

objective, it's what we need to be doing because his life is the new real story and his business record. >> carl, thank you so much for sharing these thoughts. please stick around. up next here though, why so many americans think that we are up reliable sources. a new poll shows record low level trust of media and guess who is taking credit for that. we'll talk about what reporters can do to turn it around. ♪ there's no one road out there. no one surface... no one speed...

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welcome back. i have a question for you. kind of personal. do you trust me? do you trust us in the media? this new data says no. is this a gallup poll that says only 32% say they trust the media either a great deal or somewhat. and you can see why here. only 14% of republicans saying that they trust the news xwleed in year. that number is a big drop from

last year. a record low of about 30%. it won't surprise you to hear that trump is taking credit for that drop in trust. so i'll bring back our panel to talk more about this. and most importantly talk about what journalists, what commentator, what we can all do to get the number back up. every day we can either regain people's trust or lose even more of. back with me, lynn swede, s.e.cupp and dave farenholt who has beenheroic work. some say it's poll lit zer worthy. essentially what you have been doing is going to all the charities and asking them if they have received donations from trump. why are you going to the charities and not trump directly? >> actually did go to trump in

the beginning. we wanted to -- trump says he gives tens of millions to charity, so we asked provide proof. show us how much did he give. and he won't give us that proof. so i set out to try to prove him right and i wanted to make my search as open and as transparent as possible. so i made a list of all the charities i thought trump seemed the closest to, ones most likely to get his money. and i started causing those people and posting my results online, on twitter. and that's what i've tried do. both because i want trump to know that i'm out there looking trying to prove him right and also because i want the public to see what i'm doing and if they have ideas to send them to me. >> so you've been writing story after story. and tell me the behind of scenes story because i think it might be p one small way versus trying to regain people's trust. what you're doing is showing your work. and the reaction. tell me about the reaction you've gotten from readers. >> it's been great. and the most important thing, people have been reaching out and saying, hey, have you heard

about this, have you heard about that. for instance, this week we're looking for portrait, 6-foot the tall portrait of donald trump that he bought himself but used $20,000 of his charity's money to pay for. and i need to know where it is because i need to know whether its found a chairable the use for it. and this week a reader on twitter spotted another message on facebook that sent it me that helped me track down an important clue where it went. >> and lynn, do you think i'm being too optimistic or is it possible that by doing this kifrkind ever investigating that we can start to win back some of the people who say we don't trust the media today? >> i don't know, but what i do know is that we can't stop doing the work just because we're at this all-time low. i mean, this is what gallup called a stunning development for an institution designeded to

inform the public. i was at a focus group and i asked to do you believe in fact checks that the media provides. and they said, and this is part of what we're grappling with, well, we don't trust the media, so why would we trust what they conclude. that shows how high the bar is now. and david, i commend you because you're putting out things that we might all agree are fact. we have to respect that people don't see things the way we might. and just keep working in our craft to make our case when we have it and this is true of a presidential candidate down to an alder man to make it as simple as as air tight as possible and understandable to people with evidence which we can link to now that we have all kinds of social media. so i think the poll -- yeah,

it's bad for you but it shouldn't stop us from the gum chu has gone report ertz alwaer do. we have 50 days left so we shouldn't worry about our own poll numbers. >> donald trump noticed the numbers and he said he believes he is partly responsible for that decline in trust particularly among republicans. let me ask you, s.e., is it dangerous for donald trump to be helping undermine american institutions even ones like the media that weren't very popular to begin with? >> of course it is. and there is always some consternation over the media. every presidential election. usually it's republicans griping about democratic bias in the media, liberal bias, but there is always some. never before have we seen a candidate for president not only

telling people to be skreeptica but to hit us as a body. there is no nuance for the role of journalism. trump fundamentally shows over and over again he doesn't understand. >> you don't think he understands or do you think it is all an act? because the one time i saw him in year, he is so kind, so friendly, so charming. you don't think he's just doing it for show? >> no, he's a charming guy, but, no, we've seen too many reveals. he gave some charitable amount i think to the vets that one timet the coverage he wanted. he said the media should be congratulating me. and this is just not fundamentally the job of the media. so be telegraphing these impulses about the media, these almost like troske ideas about how the media should treat a presidential candidate or politician, i'm not surprised that so many have taken such an unfavorable view of the media at

large because he's really done a tremendous job turning the populous against this very necessary and important institution. >> i like to think that we are part of the central nervous system of democracy. we actually do work for the viewers although sometimes we don't do a good job of explaining that and showing it. david, let me go back to you. what would you like to see your colleagues do a little differently to try to earn back people's trust? >> i think we're working really hard. people at the "post" as far as i know and i've seen this effort going on for months are writing about all these things that trump says and does. i think that we've put a lot of it out there. the key is to try to figure out and i think people are starting to do this, what do you do when trump says something that is not the true and says it again and depend and go again. and what we've done, when trump lie, we call it a lie.

there is no euphemism. it's too obvious. before we wanted the candidate to show shame and now you're he seeing the media push the candidate to a higher standard. >> lynn, when is a lie a lie? how do you know what is in a person's heart or soul or mind? >> well, this is now kind of a new position for me that you make the call. that's what we're paid do. especially once the ridse of social media came, what is the value and heed for a professional journr journalist more resources? you make the call. if you positithink the word lie con notates motivation, then we could say here is a statement that is not true.notates motiva could say here is a statement that is not true. there are ways to do this. we're writers. we can figure this out. and i think the other thing do is very special, rule number one

that i always see violated, back each other up in press conferences. do more followup. >> that is interesting. >> you heard me earlier this week when donald trump told dr. oz that moving your arms is exercise and he didn't did a followup question? of course that is preposterous. and i would invite people in other kinds of shows. jimmy kimmel and fallon, it's fun. i'm not against a fun thing of tossing donald trump's hair or asking a lighthearted question. but they have an opportunity to ask different kinds of questions and not just be fawning throughout the whom entle inter. so everybody has to get up the game to get more information. and for viewer, it doesn't mean we're for or against anyone. just get being more facts out.

learn a little bit about a person so we should use the opportunities to back each other up, break down questions, and confront in the follow-up question and see what they say. >> and brian, just as a follow-up to her point of backing each other up, trump over the course of his campaign has banned a number of media outlets from press conferences or coverage. in my ideal world of courage, if you were a similar media outlet, maybe you say then we're not going to cover you either. i know that is wishful thinking in the days of we can get an opportunity that someone else can't, but that i think would really send a message that you don't get to silence the press. if you silence once of us, you silence all of us. and that's the danger that people need to understand when they look at frutrump's action.

>> and if clinton or obama were doing the same thing, maybe the same rules would apply. has the relaxing of the black list helped you get more information in the trump campaign? >> no, not at all. i got no information before and basically no information now. one of the things i've tried to do is started to post the questions that i send them. i do that because i don't want them to take the things that they should have told me and give it to other media as a way of saying that i didn't ask them for the right questions. so i want to so how my work to show the responses i'm not getting. >> and there is an example on screen. thank you all. great talking with you. and one more note about the campaigns, it is the first rule of campaign coverage, journal igs should always want more access and politicians almost always want to give less. but trump really revised that rule giving hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of interviews in the 15 months

since he's been a presidential candidate. don't you think it's high time to distinguish between the present and the past? listen to these disingenuous comments from fox and friends >> donald trump has talked to the press over and over. but if you look at the number of minutes they've spent with the press, standing there and taking questions, he spent 4 hours and 38 minutes this year talking to the press answering questions because he wants to be transparent. >> sure. and the trump number does not include hours that he's appeared on network television answering questions as well. >> right. >> now, it is true that trump used to give interviews constantly. much of his campaign was premised on constant media exposure. but i said was because it's no longer it's ca eer the case. trump supporters argue he's more accessible than hillary clinton and he is giving interviews to

friendly outlets. he's been turning down sunday shows like "meet the press." he's not been subjected to many real interviews since the middle of the summer. when you notice he's on fox, appearing on fox all the time rallying up his base, you should also notice what he's not doing and how he's not as accessible as the surrogates say he is. we can say the same about hillary clinton. it's important for her to continue to grant interviews as well. she didn't have press conferences for the better part of a year and lately she has been taking more questions from reports. hopefully that will continue. as we mentioned earlier in the show, it's been almost two months since donald trump held a press conference. both these candidates still deserve to answer and should be answering more questions from reporters. coming up here on "reliable sources qucti sources." moments away from a press conference on last night's explosion in new york city. in the meantime, we'll talk about how the media is handling this latest story. whether there's an overreaction happening. we'll get to that in a moment.

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welcome back. 29 people injured overnight and scores of questions now left unanswered in new york city. 23rd street where there was an explosion around 8:30 p.m. now the investigation under way and we're standing by for a press conference from the new york city mayor bill de blasio. let me bring back carl bernstein and errol louis of new york one and a cnn political analyst as well. errol, i want to get your sense of this story as a new yorker. how do we keep perspective when our media culture makes things seem to big, so loud, so scary in a situation like this? >> it's very much a challenge. i think people would be -- i almost wish you could bottle it and sort of share it with other people the way real new yorkers act when something like this happens. in part we're a little bit shell shocked because we've had so much trauma between hurricane

sandy, the two world trade center attacks and on and on, but the reality is if you're living in a city with constant spectac spectacle, whether it's a positive or negative spectacle, people figure out that after a while that their lives are not necessarily going to be completely knocked off balance. >> i guess -- i'm sorry to interrupt. i was going to say to carl, i guess the point is it's about reacting but not overreacting to these sorts of threats. >> i watched both cnn and msnbc last night, and i thought that both did a terrific job. the anchors, don lemon was terrific in putting it into perspective and saying let's keep calm about all this. i think this is usually when we're at our best, especially cable news. we have a lot of reporters. they go on the street. they do basic police reporting. they talk about what's going on. this story has a little bit of an added dimension in a political reaction by the presidential candidates, but i'm not going to sit here and be critical of what we've done on this story for a minute.

i think it's been restrained and really good. >> same word that applies to the political coverage, proportionality. gentlemen, i'm out of time but thank you for being here. stay tuned to cnn. after the break jake tapper continues our coverage of this story with this press conference in new york. stay tuned. [ "on the road again," by willie nelson ] ♪ on the road again [ rear alert sounds ] [ music stops ] ♪ just can't wait to get on the road again ♪ [ front assist sounds ] [ music stops ] [ girl laughs ] ♪ on the road again ♪ like a band of gypsies we go down the highway ♪ [ beetle horn honks ] no matter which passat you choose, you get more standard features, for less than you expected. hurry in and lease the 2017 passat s for just $199 a month.

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this is cnn breaking news. >> hello p.m. i'm jake tapper in washington, d.c., where the state of our union is on edge. we are standing by for a news conference where new york city's mayor and new york city police officials will update us on the investigation into last night's explosion in manhattan. 29 people were injured in the blast, which new york mayor bill de blasio describes as an intentional act. police found a second device, a pressure cooker connected to a cell phone just blocks away. a senior law enforcement official tells cnn investigators