in new york and new jersey, including a weapons of mass destruction charge and getting more pieces of puzzle. including how the suspect gathered components of the bomb. suspect still in hospital in newark after the shootout with the police. getting new reports with who he is and where he traveled and turbulent home life. new details? >> reporter: anderson some remarkable details in the federal kpant. for one he bought many of the components on ebay, shipping to address in new jersey but as recently as two days before the attack he was testing out explosive dwiesz, what looked like cylindrical device, filming on cell phone and another one in the back yard seen in the frame of cell phone video laughing

when he made the tests raising questions if someone should have seen him. fbi reveelg he was on the radar two years ago and questions about terror involvement dismissed at the time interviewed the father of the suspect in 2015 after domestic dispute. father then downplayed accusation and fbi concluded it was a domestic matter. today the suspect's father told cnn more. >> now say he's a terrorist. >> why did you call the fbi. >> he doing bad. >> what did he do. >> stabbed my son. hit my wife, and i put him into n jail two years ago. >> investigators now attempting to question the suspect although police say he still isn't

talking. one urgent question. did he have help carrying out the alleged attacks. >> down he acted alone? >> it's early on in the investigation. as we move through this, going to determine who the acquai acquaintances were and family and friends and go through social media and phones to make that determination. >> reporter: pointing to possible inspirations for the attack, a notebook carrying when captured referenced american leader alauky killed in 2011 for a u.s. drone strike and boston marathon bombers. investigators are now scrutinizing the suspect's travels to afghanistan and pakistan where he married and had a child and spent time in areas with a heavy taliban presence to determine if he was radicalized overseas. the afghan taliban has publicly

denied any involvement in the bombings. >> officials are trying to determine if he had help in this endeavor. would have taken some time to get all the materials to put the bombs together. >> explosive devices themselves hold clues as well. made with easy i to obtain ingredients and recipes accessible online. but those materials considered by experts to be a high explosive could have created a blast even bigger that was seen at the deadly boston marathon bombings. >> what did the fbi have to say about the fact that the father called them years ago? >> this is their answer. they said they made an assessment at the time. conducted multiple interviews, conferred with other law enforcement and checked databases and made a conclusion at the time had no ties to

suspected terrorist groups. these are judgment calls they have to make. can't predict what others will do. two years later just behind me here, he did attempt to carry out a terror attack. >> thanks for the details. new details about the suspect and relationships and family life is painting a troubling picture to say the least. pamela brown joins me. what do you know about the suspect's wife. >> met her overseas. asia rahami. put in application for her to come to u.s., approved. issues they ran into. she became pregnant but she did come to the united states eventually but left sometime before the bombs were placed by her husband. told by u.s. officials there's no indication she fled this early stage in the investigation. we know u.s. officials and

united arab emirates have been speaking to her and she's been cooperating. not accused of any wrongdoing but someone officials want to learn about her husband from. why he did this and what she may have known. >> when the suspect returned to the u.s. after traveling to afghanistan and pakistan. went through secondary screenings, anything else? >> customs and border spks entered information into a database shared with law enforcement agencies and told that cvp notified about rahami given where he traveled, high-risk areas and spent a year in pakistan and had been there previously. told by officials he was in a batch of people. he was one and notifications are

common but told that fbi was notified about him just a few months before the inquiry was opened up in august of 2014 yet never interviewed. all under review right now. >> thanks. joining is cnn counterterrorism analyst philip mudd and poltical ponl analyst and former secretary for homeland security. a layman looking at this says look at this, dad called fbi and said son is terrorist. traveled in afghanistan and pakistan, around the area and yet -- and was blowing up stuff in back yard on video, yet didn't put the pieces togetherment is it a mistake on their part or -- you know what it's like to make threat assessments. what happened? >> looking at from wrong

direction. take one case and say are there things that should have been suspicious? of course. other direction, a satisfy information. dad calls and claims he told the fed kid was a terrorist. what he says. kid traveled to papakista, how would you know he traveled to quetta, pakistan. but dad calls concerned and kid travelled to pakistan. millions traveling overseas every month and can't take this information and say leads to further investigation. too many people and problems. i think people are taking a case and saying should have spent more time on it without thinking about how you boil down notion to get to the case. >> doing triauj with the variety of cases. there's cases in every state of

the country or investigations, you got to do triage. >> that's right. if you take a physician and 500 patients in the emergency room, and if you succeed with 499, last one doesn't die, that's good success rate. with the fbi, take 500 suspects and ensure that the last doesn't succeed in attack. that is not a bar you can meet. looking at this case saying his dad says i'm concerned. saying he traveled. can't investigate every one of those individuals. last point. if you go to court in the united states to look at individual's e-mail. you need a court order. you know what the court would say? you have got to kidding me. >> not enough information. >> not even close. >> prosecutors alleging bought some of the components on ebay. >> he did, including citric acid

a component of what is believed to have been the detonator in the device but stunning new details from the complaint confirming reporting on the show last night about the power of this device. >> kind of explosive was particularly powerful. >> powerful, high explosive and details giving, 400 feet away windows shatters, 450 feet of fragmentation, powerful device that propelled a heavy duty metal dumpster it was inside 20 feet. if not placed inside that dumpster could have been a lot more deadly. experts believe that contained some of the force of the blast. don't know if he decided to place it there for some reason or perhaps a passerby thought it was litter and put it in there. don't know but this was powerful device.

hmtd, detonating substance is hard to make. various cases. managed to do it without training. worrying details. this device produced most powerful blast in islamic terrorist plot in the united states since the world trade center in 1993. >> could have seen dozens killed in new york. >> to phil's point had been on the fbi's radar, father had called him a terrorist, fbi apparently knew that but not heard from them tangled in a domestic dispute. do you agree with phil? >> yeah. i think some wait family dispute may have led the fbi to believe that they were getting entangled

with a complicated family. look at family's interactions amongst themselves, this was a family under tremendous stress and a lot of hostility. i agree with phil. we also don't know what exactly was said. we're hearing this from the father. we know in all of these cases father or mother or somebody else tries to say i tried to do something. often that doesn't end up being true. i think where there might have been a trigger moment, in which something different could have happened, because that was two years ago, was in the purchases. phil and i know there's a lot more monitoring of purchases around the country than people might believe or think of materials that might be used for bombs or violence, whether it's raw materials or instruments of violence or whatever else. and i'm curious whether, and the investigation will find out, to what extent anything might have been triggered by the ebay purchases or if the fact through

third party vendors, which is what ebay is, whether they weren't tracked and might be a loophole we begin to think about closing. >> fact in the federal complaint learned there's videos showing the guy igniting insendiary material in the back yard and laughter in the background. raises questions about where he was allegeedly building this device and who else knew him here or with the training that knew how to do it. >> this is a snapshot of the evolution of terror. years ago would have said it's fed's responsibility to find these guys. look at communications of al qaeda at time and communications going to pakistan and might be able to say there's al qaeda plot moving into america.

today when we don't have central group organizing this stuff, but individuals who self-radicalize, a family member or friend has to call the feds in contrast to say i saw something in the back yard, my kid is talking about something uncomfortable, violence. game has shifted from fed's responsibility to identify people to local folks or family members saying he's experimenting with exploding dwiesz. that's the question. who knew what when? >> sources close to h.w. bush saying he's voting for hillary clinton in november. new reporting on how donald trump used charity money to settle lawsuits against him. more than a quarter of a million dollars, question is did he

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to more breaking news, cnn confirmed that former president george h.w. bush said would vote for hillary clinton in november. made the comment during what he thought was a private gathering. board members of the points of light foundation. remark went public.

brianna joins with details. what are you learning? >> reporter: it's quite unprecedented anderson, learned about this event. about 40 people there according to multiple sources and george h.w. bush at foundation event talking to board members, specifically kaj lin kennedy thompson but told her planning to vote for hillary clinton according to multiple people. they came to light after the daughter of bobby kennedy posted this on her facebook page. extraordinary rebuke of donald trump as the republican nominee. >> reporter: donald trump out on the trail slamming hillary clinton for joeting george w. bush's recruiting director. >> demonstrates a level of

ignorance about terror threat disqualifying for seeking presidency. when says provide aid and comfort to the enemy we no that hillary clinton has once again demonstrated she's unfit for office. >> reporter: as clinton takes break from the campaign trail to get ready for the debate. trump is talking about her health. she needs the rest. sleep well. see you at the debate. less than a week to go, getting a preview to the approach. >> talk about all the thing she's done to help isis become the terror they've become. doing that. back and forth. she's got a lot of baggage. >> reporter: what about personal attacks? wouldn't rule out. >> if treats many he with

respect. i will. >> clinton telling steve harvey she's not worried about that. >> i've been at this. i understand it's a contact sport but i'm not going to take what he says about everybody else. his attacks on african-americans and immigrants and muslims and women and people with disabilities. >> there you go. >> it's just something we cannot tolerate. >> reporter: as candidates gear up for showdowns, trump's son having one with candy company. tweeting skittles if i had a bowl and told you just three would kill you would you take a handful, that's our syrian refugee problem sparkd a rebuke from parent company, skittles are candy, refugees are people. don't feel it's appropriate

analogy. more scrutiny for trump's foundation, spent more than a quarter million dollars to settle lawsuits against trump's business interests, a possible violation of the country's tax lows. >> i want to correct something, i think i said former president bush told a room full of people. not clear how many heard him. apparently to kennedy townson right? >> did seem to say it earshot of many people. more than a couple. >> i just misspoke and shouldn't have said a room full of people. we don't know exactly how many heard it. secretary clinton off the trail today. is she expected back tomorrow? >> reporter: she is, spending hours looking at tape of donald trump but on the trail tomorrow in battleground, florida, giving

economic speech in orlando, the economy the issue that her campaign thinks will be so important in this election. but also interesting to note she's goingta talk about what she calls inclusive economy, disabled americans and other groups that suffer higher unemployment rates than the general population. >> thanks so much. joining me cnn anchor of inside politics john king and political analyst kiersten powers. is there a chance former president bush wanted this leaked? in this day and age do you tell person something in front of others and not expect it to get out? >> just between you and me, anderson? people around the former president say he meant it to be a private conversation, i believe kennedy townened has taken down the post but let's be

real. he hasn't lost his game. he's former cia director and former president and remember the bush family's contempt. donald trump mocked jeb bush in the debates and ridiculed george w. and about the iraq war he says he wishes first war was finished right. that's h.w.'s war. the bush family is loyal. you know jed and george w. is not for trump and neither is georgia h.w. >> will this affect other establishment republicans? will it nudge others to vote for clinton? or shief a endorsement. >> it's a big deal. this is unprecedented to have former president from the other party endorsing the opposing party. but i would tend to think any

establishment republican not voting for donald trump has probably made up mind at this point. clinton campaign is trying to target republicans with ad using mitt romney and other republicans speaking against trump but ultimately i don't think this moves voters. trump supporter or leaning towards trump will look at this and say of course this happens, establishment sticks together and hillary is the establishment and bushes are and all are friends and bill clinton is friends with him and w., be surprised if makes a huge difference in the race. >> and for liberals, bernie sanders supporters, hearing that former president bush is supporting secretary clinton may not be top of their list of endorsements they want to follow. >> to kirsten's point, i don't think it's going to drive votes

either way. i think some republicans who might be in gary johnson field or thinking of sitting it out, maybe a small group. but in this campaign, what have we learned? people not following the leaders so much. bush has stayed out of politics for a long time. it's embarrassing for trump but he's running against the establishment so not a surprise. >> and both candidates trying to position themselves as better to deal with the threat of terrorism. do you see either of them's handling of this moment attracting new voters or just reinforcing old reasons. >> what they have shown us in campaign, trump is instinctive and muscular and hillary clinton is gather the facts and deal with the problems. she says be tough as well but not as quick to throw a punch back. but because it's so fresh, add

up third party candidates and undecided, 20% depending on the state or poll. some people with something like this front and center will watch the next couple of days but more importantly when they're shoulder-to-shoulder and close their eyes who do i see in the oval office? >> due agree the debates could be defining? >> really important and hillary has typically polled better than trump on this issue. not huge margins but preferred person when it comes to handling terrorism. also an issue with enthusiasm, looking at one poll, 70% of trump's supporters are concerned about terrorist attack harming them or families. contrast with hillary voters, 30%. see a difference in terms of how it animates both sides. coming up more allegations

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tonight there is even more reporting on allegations surrounding the trump foundation. namely that donald trump took min tended for charity donations and used it to settle lawsuits against his own businesses. according to the washington post this happened to the tune of $258,000. the trump foundation was already under scrutiny because allegation he used the foundation to funnel other people's money to other organizations. this new report says he actually wrote checks from his charitable foundation to settle lawsuits against his for-profit businesses. of all things reported about the trump foundation, this is pretty surprising. can you explain exactly what donald trump was using money from a foundation to pay off? >> so the money in his

foundation was given by other people to donald trump. it belongs in the charity. it can only be used to do charitable work. but instead we have two cases where trump's businesses, one a club in florida the other a golf course in new york got in legal trouble and made settlements to get out of that. as part, the club, the businesses agreed to make donations to charity. what trump did was take money oust of his foundation and use that to pay off obligations. >> in the case of i think it was mar-a-lago, the club in florida. there were a bunch of -- was it fines or liens or something the local community, that he was supposed to pay but the local community agreed to get rid of those if he made this donation? >> that's right. trump had put up a giant flag pole. too tall for the town's code.

he built up fines for his club. and in settlement, said don't have to pay that but make $100,000 donation to a charity. that's the donation he paid off with the foundation. golf club didn't pay anything. >> is that okay under the law? is it ethical? >> the law says a bar against something called self dealing. that is, if you are the head of a foundation you can't take the 91 out of the foundation and use to it buy things for yourself or things that benefit your businesses. people i've talked to said this is a pretty clear case where trump took the money out of his charity and kid a thing that saved his own business money? >> what might happen? if somebody looks at this, does he potentially pay a fine? >> penalties could include trump may have to give the money back that the foundation paid on his behalf. he would also pay penalty taxes. he could pay penalty taxes for having filed a false irs return because he told the irs he had

not engaged in acts of self dealing he could even have his charity's non profit status taken away. >> the new york attorney general so opening up investigation. is he going to be looking at these specific attractions or only stuff in new york. >> since the trump foundation is head quartered in new york all of these attractions are under his purview. i think he'll look at these. >> is there any time line, obviously trump supporters say it's politically motivated. any chance it will be done before the election? obviously trump's supporters say this is politically motivated. >> i imagine they are trying to work on it fast but i don't know if it's before the election. >> last time you were on the program you are trying to track down a six foot tall painting he bought with foundation funds and i understand he bought a second portrait using money from the foundation. i understand just a little while ago owe tweeted out a picture of that portrait from trip advisor, is that right? >> trump bought this painting with $10,000 worth of charity

money in 2014. and since the charity bought it has to be use for charity purposes. can't just hang on the wall in the club. yet it is hanging on the wall in trump's club. tripp trip adviser took that picture where the portrait he bought with charity money is hanging. >> david, thanks very much. up next, the american white working class, they are the core of donald trump's support. but what is driving their decision to support him over hillary clinton? some answers next. ♪in a black out ♪midnight where we used to dance♪ ♪underneath the ugly halogen lamps♪ ♪oh, it all went away so fast ♪in a black out ♪

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just six days from the first 2016 presidential debate. seven weeks from today america votes. trump gathers strength from white college graduates make up 66% of trump supporters. back in 1994, 62% were whites with no college. four years only made up 36% of voters. the demographics in america are clearly changing and with those changes come assumptions made about the white working class. we want to get past those

assumptions and get insight. information to make a difference in the election. we teamed one the kaiser family foundation for a in-depth survey. what we found both confirmed and challenged basically a lot of conventional wisdom. one finding, 40% of white working class believe america's best days are behind us. take that information and take trump's repeated slogan, make america great again. and you can see reason why this voting bloc is the core of donald trump's support. john kink joins us with more. we talked about the importance of the white working class and now we have this detailed look at what drives their politics can o you take a us through what the survey found. >> at its core is the economic anxiety and feeling left out. left out of the economy and feeling ignored by government. look at this. will your children be worse off? essentially the american dream question. 50% of the white working class believes yes, their children will be worse off than they are. and the black works class is 43%.

but white college graduates, latino working class, this is a much higher number than other subsets. economically they are pessimistic about what comes down the road for themselves but more importantly for their children. also they don't think government understands this problem and understands them. how well does government represent your view. the percentage saying not at all well. 56%. much higher than other groups. nearly 6 in 10 members of the white working class saying my government doesn't get me. it doesn't represent my needs and my concerns. you can understand why ab outsider like trump appeal that that. economics again. what do trade agreements do here? what impact do they have? only 5% say international trade agreements create jobs in the united states. that's what its president says what and hillary clinton said for her career. they agree with donald trump. 69% of the white working class says trade agreements bleed jobs from the united states. only 21% say they make noo difference at all. remember that 70% number just about. 69%. shouldn't surprise you then. of those considering voting for donald trump, members of the

white working class, 79%. so nearly 8 in 10 members of the white working class thinking about voting for donald trump agree the trade agreements cost u.s. jobs. among the white working-class not thinking of voting for trump? 8 in 10 of white working class voters thinking about voting for trump, they are with him on this. they think nafta should be ripped up. >> and about immigration and tougher calls about letting muslims into the united states? >> no question about that same anxiety and security anxiety factors in. first more broadly, just white working-class. immigrants strengthen or burden on the country? nearly half say immigrants are a burden on the country today. only 40% and we don't have the other groups up here but this is higher. 47% say this is a burden. higher than other groups. especially white college-educated voters. the terrorism question. immigrants from muslim question, do they increase the terror risk? 63%, more than 6 in 10 of the white working class think yes.

muslim immigrants increase the terror risk and probably no surprise you can make this connection. 82% of white working class voters considering voting for donald trump agree that immigrants from muslim countries increase the terror risk. among those not considering donald trump? drops to 47%. so no question in this group they agree to do something about it. >> do the numbers back up the idea that this group t white working class is the basic trump support. >> yes. and overwhelmingly so. will be about 40% of the electorate at election. 60% of white working class voters are considering voting for donald trump. 6 in 10 say i'm going think about voting for donald trump. that is a stunning number but now look at this number. 68% say they will not consider voting for hillary clinton. so she has a huge problem with the white working class. only three in ten only give her a chance. that is pretty overwhelming.

>> fascinating. stay with us. i want to bring back the panel. a lot to discuss. maria, only 29% of white working class would consider voting for hillary clinton in battleground states like pennsylvania and ohio, that is a huge issue. does she lose if she can't get that number up? >> i think first of all that number is not really all that surprising. we knew she had a big issue with white working-class voters. it is not a group that she's giving up on however. she has focused her policies frankly. her policies will help white working class voters when she talks about doing the biggest jobs investment since world war ii. that is strictly focussed on white working class voters. >> if number doesn't rise can she win? >> i do think so. that is not how she wants to win. wants to get as many voters in general as possible.

but president obama didn't do well with white working class either. >> why isn't the message resonating? >> because i think unfortunately what donald trump is doing, we've seen from the very beginning that his message does resonate for all of the reasons that we saw. he is focused on playing to the fears of this electorate. and there is no question that there is anxiety there it is le something that hillary clinton brings up all the time. they do feel left out. we have to help with the policies that will help them. she focuses on trying to bring them together along with the rest of the country whereas donald trump is somebody who focuses on their fears and that's not leadership. >> 8 in 10 white working class voters are actually satisfied with their lives and yet the majority of them believe their kids are not going to have as good a life. >> i think that is very typical. and where this comes to play. i'm a pennsylvanian. when you go to places like altoona and johnstown and williamsport and southwestern pennsylvania.

when you hear saying hillary clinton is going to shut down coal mining jobs in the area. what does that mean? if they are trying to provide an education for their kids and do various things to help their kids down the future they are looking at this and saying she's shutting off their future. >> in 1970 it is democratic party was the party of the white working class. why the shift to republicans generally in trump specifically? >> how much time do you have? if you go back and look at it play out we can talk about the civil rights movement and the civil rights act. we can talk a democrats becoming known as the party of tax and spend. and republicans taking advantage of that. so-called southern strategy taking democratic party, >> you can talk about even the election more recently of the first african american president. you want to talk about trump. there's a long list. could spend an hour or two about the democrat party decline in

white working-class, including labor unions. there's a number of reasons but no doubt about the shifts in the white working-class favor trump now. he needs them to turn out in huge numbers. >> i want to talk to the rest of the panel but also take a quick break. look at what donald trump said to compare african-american communities and afghanistan. next. if you've gone to extremes to escape your nasal allergies... try clarispray. from the makers of claritin. clarispray provides 24-hour, prescription strength relief from sneezing, runny nose, and nasal congestion. return to the world. try clarispray today. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me,

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hillary clinton spent the day on debate prep, while donald trump campaigned in north carolina, where he used the terror attacks in new jersey and new york to bolster his immigration policy. he also renewed his outreach to african-americans, with the same kind of message that's drawn fire in the past, but kind of on steroids. listen. >> we're going to rebuild our inner cities, because our african-american communities are absolutely in the worst shape that they've ever been in before, ever, ever, ever. you take a look at the inner cities, you get no education. you get no jobs, you get shot walking down the street. they're worse. i mean, honestly, places like afghanistan are safer than some of our inner cities. >> and back with the panel. angela, when you hear donald

trump say that african-american communities are, quote -- and i want to get this right, in the worst shape they have ever been before, ever, ever, ever, do you know any african-american who would agree that statement? given the history of the united states. >> probably a trump supporter. and for what it's worth, there are a few that appear on this network. i think the challenge i have is, when we talk about, they have no education, i wonder where he went to school. i wonder what textbook he had. i wonder why he never learned about slavery. the atlantic slave trade. i wonder why he didn't learn about jim crow and segregation. i wonder if he knows about, you know, the soldiers who fought in the korean war and world war ii, who came back -- world war i, who came back here to communities that didn't accept them, because they were other. and when we go full circle back to this poll you were just talking about, with white working class voters, this is an election that donald trump has

made about otherism. and otherism is, frankly, racism. where it is wrong to be different. he just compared black communities to afghanistan, and the timing of it is dangerous. we are talking about someone who just spent a year in afghanistan and is a terrorist. a bomber. so that type of connection to a community that i come out of is immensely frustrating, it's hurtful, and it's wrong. >> andre, donald trump has said he'll never lie. but you know, to say that african-american communities are worse than they have ever, ever -- >> and they probably are. they're probably less safe than they've ever been in the history lynchings? >> than they've ever been. >> but, wait, wait, we're talking about -- ever in the united states. slavery, segregation, i mean -- >> the death rate is probably higher now in those urban communities than it's ever been. >> jeffrey lord, do you believe that?

>> well, certainly, what's going on in chicago at the moment is not good. >> but african-american communities are worse than they've ever, ever, ever been? >> i think when you've got the murder rate in the city of chicago? what was the murder rate for african-americans -- >> a black person could not walk down the street -- in some communities in america a black person could not walk down the street and look at a white person in the eye without having great risk of their life. >> now they can't do it -- >> no, wait a minute! wait a minute, you guys. i just have -- i just have to say this. because anderson just said something as if it's past, right? that a black man couldn't look a white person in the eye. if we talk about terence who just lost his life, hands up with a police officer, one who supposed -- an entity that is supposed to protect and serve. it's not just black people who are killing each other. and i want to be clear about this. white people kill each other, too. you kill people who you are in proximity to. that's just a fact.

>> americans kill each other. >> that's true. and you were just talking about black americans. i'm telling you about an issue of excessive force and excessive violence with black people and men and women in uniform. that is also a problem. so i just think that you all -- i'm asking you now, as your friend, when we go off air, please utilize facts when you bring up these points about how dangerous -- >> but also, let me point out, crime rates nationwide have gone down since the 1990s, during the crack epidemic. i mean, there are -- to say that it's worse than it has ever, ever, ever been is just factually incorrect. >> yeah. i mean, maybe he's exaggerating -- >> maybe? >> but to make a point. to make a point, things are not satisfactory. it's not good enough that the city of detroit is in the shape -- >> but you can make that point without making up a fact. >> anderson, look, i think we have to keep getting back to why -- you started to bring this

up, but left out one key thing. jim crow and slavery and all the things that got us here. who was responsible? >> racism was responsible! >> jeffrey. >> one at a time. >> anderson doesn't like when we all talk at the same time. so let me respond to you, jeffrey. >> then i will respond. >> that's fine. it's up to him, he's the moderator. i guess what i would say to you is this. you continue to blame the democratic party for something that is a vestige of slavery in this country. it is called racism. we can continue -- >> systemic racism for the democratic party. >> systemic oppressive racism for white people against people of color -- >> or the democratic party. >> -- and that other that your candidate continues to prey on. we have to acknowledge what that is. racism is bipartisan. it is a nonpartisan problem. jeffrey, start putting it at the feet -- >> wait, wait, wait -- >> let him respond. >> when president obama said just the other night to the congressional black caucus -- >> i was there. >> okay. and did he not say, if you

don't -- meaning the black community -- vote for hillary clinton you will have insulted -- >> that's not what he said. he said if this community does not turn out and vote this will be an insult to my legacy. >> i want to -- >> and i'm happy to give you -- >> i want to bring john in here. donald trump only has 3% of the black vote according to the latest polling. if his message is, what the hell do you have to lose, if that's failing to resonate according to polls, how will this statement improve that standing? or can it? >> well, as you listen to angela speak, there's no question the clinton campaign believes what donald trump says on this issue, and forgive my language but think part of the problem is we should ablaud, we should applaud any candidate who wants to go into a community and compete for its votes. one of the problems we've had in american politics for the last 20-plus years is republicans have not gone into the african-american community in a sustained way? have, in a sustained way and competed. however, you hear angela and you hear from a lot of democrats is donald trump uses these issues as forgive the language but as black and white issues. he didn't talk like jeffrey dust juft did. donald trump didn't say i have a

huge problem in chicago, i'd like to help if i'm president. in detroit you have economic exodus of jobs if i'm president i'd like to help. he talks about this best and worst and stark and this. and democrats abandoned you. and he also doesn't acknowledge, anderson, in north carolina there is a thriving african-american middle class. in maryland. in many places across the country. i don't want to overgeneralize. but in that state where the african-american vote is so key, look in the charlotte area, the charlotte suburbs, go up to the research trieng until raleigh-durham, there are doctors and lawyers and researchers and professionals who happen to be african-americans who are critical to the vote in that state and some of them are open to republicans on taxing and spending and smaller government issues but it's the language he uses that i think gets him into the trouble. again, we should applaud the effort but think he needs to spend more time in the community because he'll learn the language better. >> we've got to take a break. we've got much more ahead on tonight's breaking news aurks lot more on politics also coming up but we'll look at the charges federal investigators have filed against the suspect in the bombings in new york and new jersey. the latest on that. ♪ mapping the oceans. where we explore. protecting biodiversity.

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