>> thigh clearly want us out of here. >> reporter: ed lavandera caught in the frame. knocked over by a protester while reporting on live tv. the protester later apologized. >> taken out their frustrations on me. >> reporter: police confirm several police officers suffered injuries. charlotte says they'll explore other options including curfews to keep people off the streets. >> we are working very hard to bring peace and calm back to our city. we know that this is not who charlotte is. this is not who we are. >> complicating things are these competing threads of information, keith scott's famsly says he was unarmed when he was shot. police say that is not true, they found a weapon on him and the reason that he was shot was because he did not comply with demands by officers to drop his weapon. chris?

you have calls for justice in the shooting. you now have calls for what happened behind nick valencia. so more stores damaged. the police chief is vowing that the investigation into keith lamont scott's shooting will be handled transparently. but there are two different version versions. the police haven't released the video. we have polo sandoval live with more on that aspect. >> good morning. mixed in the growing call you just mention is also the growing call to see some of those video clips that were shot the day of the shooting. police dash cam footage possibly even some of the body cameras that were born by some of the officers. but again authorities are citing at least one law that that claim could prevent them from releasing the footage. they talk to people on the ground, they hope when and if some of the footage is released they could put to rest some of the two different versions being claimed right now by people on the ground.

>> they say he had a gun. somebody said he had a book. we need to do our own independent investigation to see if that is actually true. >> reporter: two very different accounts emerging about what led police to shoot keith lamar scott. in the parking lot of his apartment complex. police say scott had a gun when he was confronted by officer brently vinson. >> mr. scott, as i said, exited his vehicle armed with a handgun as the officers continued to yell at him to drop it. he stepped out posing a threat to the officers and officer brently vinson subsequently fired his weapon striking the suspect. >> reporter: but scott's daughter insists her father did not have a gun. alleging that if he did, police planted it. moments after the shooting she offered her account in an emotional facebook live stream. >> you can't even do [ bleep ] my [ bleep ] is definitely disabled. what [ bleep ] he had?

he in the car reading [ bleep ] you all must [ bleep ] because he black. >> charlotte police have not released the video, but maintained the evidence recovered at the scene proves their story. >> a weapon was seized. a handgun. i can also tell you we did not find a book that has been made reference to. >> reporter: these conflicting accounts offering little comfort to scott's wife issued a statement late wednesday night asse asserting, quote, after listening to remarks made by charlotte mecklenburg police chief today we have more questions than answers about keith's death. rest assured, we will work diligently to get answers to our questions as quickly as possible. the aclu has called for charlotte police to release the officer's video despite a new law that the city says prohibits them from releasing it. but the now law doesn't go into effect for another week. charlotte's mayor telling cnn last night, she will review the video today. >> there are different perspectives and different videos. there are a couple different body cameras and some dash

cameras. there may be some community videos. we want to have clear, irrefu irrefutable evidence. we're working very hard to make that accessible. >> so when or even if that video will actually be released, that is still a question here on the streets of charlotte, particularly after the mayor actually gets to see that footage firsthand, speak to people other, alisyn, there are high hopes that when that footage is released it could calm some of those concerns, but then you hear people on the other side of the spectrum who worry that if it does, in fact, support this claim from officers, that it could just fuel some of the flames and even some of those frustrations as protesters are expected to be on the streets again tonight. >> okay, polo we're about to get some answers. we're about to speak to a man who has seen that video that has not been released to the public. what does it show? todd walker is a spokesperson for the charlotte fraternal order of police. he joins us now. thanks so much for being here. >> good morning, alisyn.

>> we just heard from the mayor that there are several different videos. there are some dash cam videos, there were some body camera videos. might have been some surveillance videos from around the parking lot. which one did you see? >> well, alisyn, what i can say is i have seen one of the dash cam videos. the same one that our chief has also viewed. >> and what did it show you? >> well, what i can say is that this is still an active investigation, like the chief has echoed. there's some information that just cannot be released because it is still an active investigation. i can confirm exactly what chief putny has said, mr. scott was armed when he exited the vehicle. a weapon was recovered. a handgun was recovered on the scene next to mr. scott. and that's exactly the same thing that i saw what steve putny saw. >> mr. walther take us through it because we have a lot of questions about the details.

was mr. scott sitting in his car when officers approached him on the video? >> well, again, alisyn, with the investigation going on, i can't go into detail from my view what i saw on the video. i don't want to harm the investigation in any way. because we want to be just and right in this investigation. >> well look mr. -- >> i can only echo again what's already been said is he was seated in when he was approached but when he exited that vehicle, he was given clear commands to drop the weapon, and he did not do that. >> and, and -- >> so he was armed when he came out of that vehicle and refused to listen to officers. >> can you tell us exactly what the officers said to him when he got out of the vehicle? >> well, it's common practice across the country. you identify yourself as a police officer, if there's any type of weapon, these officers were telling mr. scott to drop the weapon. just like through any kind of

training across the country, it's clear, it's loud, there's no mistaking of what he's being told to drop the weapon. >> what did mr. scott say to the officers? >> that i don't know. there is no -- i couldn't hear anything of that. but like i said, it's still part of the investigation. our investigation team is very professional. they're going to do a great job and look into every detail. they're interviewing everybody out there. and, you know, this is not charlotte. this is outside -- these are criminals coming in doing this violence. they can't be called protesters. these are criminals that are doing this violence. >> mr. walther here's an important point that we're hoping you can answer. was the approaching officer, the first officer who approached mr. scott, was he a plainclothed police officer? or was he in uniform? >> no, all the officers out there, both uniform, were uniformed and they were

identified by a vest or jacket, identifying themselves as officers. police just like the chief said in his press conference, that had a big logo across their chest of police, charlotte-mecklenburg police department. there's no mistaking of who they were. >> okay because we had heard conflicting reports of this. in fact we had heard that the police officer who actually shot mr. scott was not in uniform, because he wasn't wearing a body cam. and the reason he wasn't wearing a body cam was because he was not in uniform, he was in plain clothes. so you're saying no, not an undercover officer? >> they may have been in plain clothes is what i'm saying. some of the officers were. but they were still wearing what we call a flak vest over that shirt or coat, which identifies them as an officer. has police written right across the chest, and right across the back of it. there's no mistaking that these were officers. >> so that -- and you say that you saw mr. scott on the video

with a gun. that gun, police say, has been recovered. can you tell us about that gun. is it -- was it registered to mr. scott? >> that's information i just don't have, alisyn. i can -- and even if i did, it's part of the investigation that the department can't release. >> mr. walther it sounds like what you're saying is that this video is so unequivocal, that if it were released, to the public, or to the media, or certainly to mr. scott's family, that it actually could answer some questions. and it could, perhaps, justify what the police did. so why not release this video so that everybody can see it? >> well that's -- that's a decision that's above me. that will have to be discussed through the city attorneys -- >> but do you support -- you were the form president of the fraternal order of police. do you support releasing this video to answer some questions? >> to answer some questions, it could, yes.

what i would say, though, is that you're still going to have that entity that's going to pick the video apart, and put it out there that this was done wrong or that was done wrong. the clear facts will come out, and the truth will come out. >> and, and, mr. walther -- >> it's unfortunate to say that we have to be patient. but that's the way it's going to have to be. >> do you see something done wrong when you watch that video? >> no. i do not. >> mr. walther -- >> i think that everything -- go ahead. >> well, look, i mean i don't have to tell you you're standing in front of a vandalized building. this could help quell the violence if beam were able to get some answers. part of the problem is the lack of transparency. can you press the police to release the video? >> we will stand behind and support chief putny and the city's decision. whether or not they release it or do not release, that's the fop stand at this point.

i'll echo and say again that this damage and violence is being done by criminals for the majority that are coming outside. these are not protesters. protesters have a cause to -- for communication. and transparency. these are not protesters. these are criminals that are coming out and doing the damage here in charlotte. most of them have -- i mean why are you looting a store? that's not getting your message across. that's stealing. that's doing damage to a community here. these are people that are not from charlotte that's doing this. >> yeah. yes. mr. todd walther from the charlotte fraternal order of police. thank you for coming on and sharing what you've seen with us. >> thank you, alisyn. >> let's get to chris. >> the problem is two things could be true. you can have rioters who aren't there for legitimate protest purpose who are looting, and, and, you can have a huge breach in trust because of the lack of transparency with that community. let's discuss that with baltimore mayor stephanie

rawlings-blake last year as you'll remember her city saw violent protest and riots after a black manfredee gray died in police custody. mayor, thank you for joining us this morning. the videotape matters. you just heard the spokesperson for the fraternal order of police in charlotte saying you put it out, it gets picked apart we want this to come out the right way at the right time. what is your take on the transparency value of video and when it should be made available? >> i think your question speaks to a larger issue. and that's the fact that there's just no trust. there's a lot of anger. our country is at a boiling point when it comes to race relations when it comes to community police relations. and there's no trust. people don't trust the police. people don't trust politicians. people don't trust the media. and when you mix all of those things together, in a very volatile situation, like we have in baltimore, like we had in -- like we have in charlotte we've seen in other parts of the country it's just no good for anyone. what i can say is what i've

heard repeatedly from the families of those -- of the victims in custody that -- or you know, people who've lost a family at the hands of the police is they want peace. they want to be able to peacefully determine the facts. and let the criminal justice system play its course. and that's what i would ask for -- that's what i ask in baltimore. and that's what i ask in charlotte. because once these things are destroyed you're stroig the businesses, you're destroying the stores. in the heat of the moment that damage is done and it's going to take awhile for the community to repair itself. >> right. but you get to the how. how, how, how do you repair transparency seeing it for yourself. this isn't like freddie gray. you had cell phone video there that based on what you saw rendered by the justice system gave a deceptive notion of what was happening and what his distress was and what it was caused by if you look at the outcomes of the trials that you've had to this point. but here, this is very fact

sensitive. this is about whether or not he had a gun on a very basic level. the video would show that. do you not believe that the value of that disclosure would require the authorities to put the video out? >> i think we're all speculating as to what the video will actually show. but what i'm -- what i'm continue to emphasize is just like the fop representative said, you know, you can see different things different ways. but at the bottom of it is the fact that there's -- we live in a time when there's so little trust. so someone can look at a video and see something different than someone else. but we have to let the -- the system play itself out. i don't know what the video shows. you don't know what the video shows. the officer that spoke only knows what one of the videos shows. but when you -- when you are existing in the -- these conditions as we have now, it's a tinder box and i think the mayor roberts is doing a great

time talking about the fact that she wants transparency. she wants to get those things out. but she's also going to be careful about how she does it. she understands as i did in baltimore that it's a volatile situation every minute of the day when something like this goes on. >> right. but how does controlling transparency increase trust? >> it's not controlling transparency. they're looking through the video. there are many different -- we've heard from the police chief, from the mayor, from the police union, and you've acknowledged that there are many different videos. they are analyzing it. they are doing the investigation. the primary focus should be on making sure that the criminal justice system has what they need to be able to make the determination about what steps should be taken next. >> right but it's not -- it's not that simple as a thoroughness analysis here because unlike in baltimore you have a state law passed here in north carolina to not allow public dissemination of the

videos which some argue was a nod to the police although i know many police who want video brought out they think it helps their case. that law doesn't go in effect until october 1st. so there's no official restriction on this and again, i know people can see things different ways. we deal with it with eyewitness testimony all the time let alone video. but this is about two very different accounts. one is he's reading a book waiting for his kid. the other is he exited the vehicle with a weapon. that is something that shouldn't be sliced so many different ways by perspective, no? >> i don't disagree. but we're also presupposing what that video will show. what i'm suggesting is that the -- the -- the -- where we are as a country requires us to do the work underneath of all of that. yes, we need to see the video. yes, you know, i don't have an opinion on the law in north carolina because you know in baltimore we worked very hard to put body cameras in place. we worked to make sure worked with the aclu worked with the fop worked with community groups

to make sure that our rules and regulations about those videos made it possible for there to be the type of transparency that we want to see now and into the future. but what i'm saying is that t the -- the fact that we are living in times where it's so volatile, we have to get working on those underlike issues in order to prevent number one something like this from happening again, but what are we doing about use of force nationally? what are we doing to bring community and the fop together at the table to talk about how we can work better together so we can have the safe communities that we want. we have significant problems in this community around race around police community relations, and if we're going to continue to play these sort of these blame games and follow oh, it's transparency here. it's you know, it's, it's this issue here instead of really focusing on the systemic issues, we've got to get to work and it's not going to be easy but that's going to be how we'll make sure that these these incidents don't happen again in the future. >> there's no question mayor that every time we have one of

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>> our african-american communities are absolutely in the worst shape that they've ever been in before. ever, ever, ever. you take a look at the inner cities. you get no education. you get no jobs. you get shot walking down the street. they're worse -- i mean honestly, places like afghanistan are safer than some of our inner cities. >> okay. so is donald trump right. are things worse than ever before for african-americans? joining us now to discuss this is pastor james davis in cleveland. he's a donald trump supporter. we also have atlanta mayor who has endorsed hillary clinton. gentlemen thanks so much for being here. pastor davis, things are the worst they've ever been for african-americans? explain. >> well i would say so. i would say the report card is in for -- especially for the last eight years under the obama administration. nearly 95% of african-americans voted for him in lockstep

fashion, and 63% of them said that the economy was their number one issue. and so now we see that poverty is at an all-time high underneath this administration. and if we look at cities across america -- >> but, but, the poverty rate has actually dropped. the poverty rate has dropped. >> yeah, in respect of blacks. the people that we're speaking of right now, the poverty rate has increased underneath the obama administration. not to mention media incomes. the wealth gap is somehow eight times more for whites than it is blacks. all these things under liberal administrations and for the last 50 years we have been lock step fashion, 90%, 95% of us going to vote for democrats. >> okay. >> we put these liberals in office. >> okay. >> and they have proven themselves inept. >> okay, let me get -- we hear you. >> that is the violence -- >> let's get the mayor in. how do you see it mr. mayor? >> i said not surprisingly donald trump is laying and this

pastor is clearly misinformed. the unemployment rate for black people under the employment, under the obama administration dropped from a high of more than 15.5% to about where it is now which is about 8%. they're about three points higher -- >> about 10%. -- >> that's not true. that's not -- >> you don't know what you're talking about. >> no, you don't know what you're talking about. >> okay -- >> hold on -- wait wait wait wait -- gentlemen. >> i -- >> pastor please -- >> i'm -- >> hold on. i will let you -- i will let you speak. i want to say something because the pastor's saying that's not true. these are from the bureau of labor statistics. these are real numbers, pastor. the unemployment rate has been cut in half. okay. these are factual numbers. go ahead mr. mayor. >> so that's right -- [ talking at once ] >> the pastor is doing what

donald trump does lies. the factor of the matter is -- >> but even so -- >> guys -- >> the national average. >> i can't hear you and either can the viewers. >> the national rate for whites is 4.5 so we're still twice the amount of our counterparts. it's worse for blacks. the point is that it's worse for blacks. >> pastor, nobody -- nobody is saying that it's worse for blacks. whether or not it's worse ever. are blacks experiencing the worst they've -- >> that's a euphemism. it's the worst it's been under this administration with these liberals in office. >> that's not true -- >> pastor you've made your point. you've made your point. go ahead mr. mayor. >> -- higher than the white unemployment rate. if you look at a 20-year trend that's the case. you notice that when donald trump says these things, he's saying it to a white audience. even his insults, even his false appeal, which everyone agrees, donald trump's not trying to appeal to black people. even his false appeal where he

says things where blacks are worse than ever, worse than slavery, worse than jim crow, they're designed to make other people feel like they're still better off than someone else. >> okay. >> it's donald trump's classic effort to divide. >> pastor, pastor, a couple of more details i just want to pull up a couple more details so that we get some context pastor before you respond. >> i've heard his speech a -- >> pastor a couple more metrics to show you. the dropout rate is down among african-americans from 1990, 13.2% to now 7.4. the black/white education gap was at 6.2% in 2000. now 2.2%. it looks as though the trend lines pastor are going in the right direction. what's your response? >> the response is is that we at this point, if you look at the inner cities in certain areas, you could have these numbers, but the bottom line is, we need school choice. we have to pull the education system and put it back in the neighborhood and get it out of these unions' hands, and the

rest of it, because at the end of the day, irrespective of the numbers, it's too slow. it's not enough. it's too little, too late. so you finally get the down trend and then the president goes out and has his victory, takes this victory lap over $250 increase in monthly income for the last eight years when inflation pretty much ate that in full. and so now we sit here with saying that mediocrity in wonderful. >> okay. >> and we're not saying you know we can't bring this administration into accountability. >> okay. so that's a different point. i mean, that's -- >> okay hold on pastor let mr. mayor respond. >> sit and down his interrupted diatribes. the unemployment rate has been cut in half. more black people are graduating from high school than ever before. more black people are in college than ever before. >> it's -- >> cut in half -- >> come on let the mayor speak for a moment. >> 10% more black people in the united states have health insurance than ever before. the fact of the matter is, if you look at the statistics that

we measure how well people are doing by, black people have done better in the last eight years than they did in the previous 20. >> i'll give you -- i'll give you an unscientific -- an unscientific -- >> i'm sure you will give me an unscientific because you can't give a real answer -- >> because you know -- >> hold on. guys i can't hear you. gentlemen, we can't hear you when you speak over each other. guys. >> i can't wait -- >> thank you for both of your perspectives. thank you for the debate. we appreciate -- thank you, gentlemen. let's get over to chris. >> all right. hopefully that's not what we're going to see just four days from now when we have the first debate between the two candidates. how will the issues that were just being discussed the shootings in charlotte and tulsa impact the race? david axelrod gives you an inside take next. now that fedex has helped us simplify our e-commerce, we could focus on bigger issues, like our passive aggressive environment. we're not passive aggressive.

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night two of violence over the deadly police shooting of a black man in charlotte. how will these incidents there in tulsa the other ones we've seen how are they going to affect the race? it's a real question. let's discuss it with cnn senior political commentator and former obama senior adviser david axelrod. not so much delving into the merits of the situation, we're doing that plenty, but how will you deal with this within the scope of a campaign? tell us about that. >> well, i must say one thing i wouldn't have done is do what donald trump did last night which is to suggest nationwide

stop and frisk. that's like taking a can of kerosene and pouring it over a fire. it wasn't what was needed -- >> he said he was just talking about chicago, by the way. just his campaign came out with a clarification and says he was referring to the situation in chicago. >> yeah. but this is problematic, because his words -- if you have to clarify words, each time that someone speaks, it creates problems. and when you're president of the united states, it's particularly problematical. so let's set that issue aside for a second. i don't know how dominant this will be in the debate on monday. one of the things that we do you know, i sit with you on a regular basis, and there's always something happening that seems at the moment like the defining issue of the campaign. and there are very few real defining issues of the campaign. so we'll see monday night what surfaces. but, one thing that -- one question i have is, does any of

this impact on the level of interest in voting in minority communities? because one of the challenges for hillary clinton is going to be to get the kind of turnout that she needs in the black community, in the hispanic community, so is this a galvanizing issue for voters there or not? >> how do you deal with this line of unity, unifying versus pandering? on each side. so clinton comes out and she says on a show that i'm going to speak directly to white people and say this is not who we are. that raised eyebrows, you know, why say it that way? is that a way of pandering to a black audience similarly, you have trump who on the one hand says that this cop choked, did this cop choke? which is obviously incendiary and getting before the facts. then he says the thing about stop and frisk. you know. he seems to be having it both ways. she seems to be playing a little

bit of a similar game. no? >> yeah. you know, this is such a volatile question, chris, that's probably best resolved outside the cauldron of a campaign. what's really needed is a bridge between communities. because the truth is that a lot of these communities that have been victimized by excessive force are also communities that have been victimized by excessive crime. and they need strong policing and they need security but it can't happen if there's no bond of trust. and what you need from leaders is to speak to this issue, rather than to try and take advantage of one side or the other. and, so we'll see what people -- what they have to say in the coming days. and if it comes up in this debate. >> well let's talk about that. all eyes on monday night when obviously it will be the first debate. some people predict it will be the most watched tv news event ever, if not tv event actually ever. and so -- >> yes. >> does the news cycle dictate what we will hear there i mean you're talking about every every week we seem to think there's a

new defining moment. this is one in terms of the tension between police in communities that certainly keeps coming up over the year. so, will this be front and center? >> yes, it's -- it may -- it may well come up, i'm certain that the incident -- the terrorist attack of last weekend will be a entree into that discussion. these issues will come up. but the larger issues that will be resolved or the larger questions that are to be resolved in this debate are the questions that candidates have -- that voters have about the candidates, is does donald trump have the temperament and depth of knowledge to be president of the united states. is hillary clinton straightforward enough, connecting enough with people to be president of the united states. i don't think voters actually score these debates based on answers on any particular issue. but they draw impressions of the candidates from these debates which are pressure filled tests,

oral exams, and so they're looking at the total package. how do these candidates deal with that pressure. how do they respond to these questions. not just in terms of the substance, but in terms of their bearing. and so, you know, i -- it will be really, really interesting. as you point out, this will be the television extravaganza of all time. i'm sure donald trump has taken great pride in that because he's big on ratings. this one's going to do very well. >> well, look, i mean if it suggests an engagement with this race, which i think it does, and which we've seen all year, that's a good thing. >> true. he said this morning it is -- the question is -- go ahead, david. go ahead. >> go ahead, chris. >> no -- >> i was going to say it's interesting that we expect a large audience. but the polling shows a lack of great enthusiasm about the race. >> yes. >> so -- >> that is a -- >> with these ratings portend a big turnout, or are people

watching because it's just kind of that you know, like they would watch nascar or something to see if someone hits a wall. >> all right. david axelrod thank you for that analogy and for being here. back to our -- our top story and that is the truth about keith lamont scott's death. in the hands of police in charlotte. will the city decide to release the dash cam and the body cam video that shows exactly what happened during that deadly encounter? we'll discuss that next. ♪

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protests turning violent for a second night in charlotte,

north carolina sparked by deadly police shooting of a black man. this follows the shooting of an unarmed black man in tulsa, oklahoma. race and policing at the center of this national discussion. so joining us now is retired lapd police sergeant and nypd police detective. great to have both of you with all of your vast experience. sheryl you have a black woman, law enforcement officer. let's start with tulsa. because that case is possibly more difficult to explain. that was definitely an unarmed man. he was having car trouble when police pulled up on him and within the space of just a few short minutes, he had been shot. when you wachd that video of him with his arms up, as he walked back to his car, when we believe they were issuing orders for him to stay still, or to maybe drop to the ground, they said he was reaching for something in his car. you do see his hand near his

door but the window was shut. what do you see here? >> well, you know, we're assuming that he was returning to the car against orders. but he could have very well been returning to the car because they asked him to go get his identification, or his registration and insurance, right? >> right. we don't know. and we don't hear the audio. >> so that's -- that's the first thing that comes to mind. and then the second thing for me that's very troubling is if this officer by her own admission is scared more than she's ever been in her life, why are you chasing him? why are you following him? why are you running up on him if you don't know what he's doing. the best thing she could have done for herself in that moment was to take concealment and cover, and give him some commands and wait for additional resources. >> but does this situation as you see it, obviously we weren't there. but we do have a few different angles of it, the aerial from the chopper right there that we're looking at now, does this warrant being more scared than you ever have been in your whole life as a police officer? >> listen, scary things happen. it's inherent to police work, right? people don't cooperate.

people don't always come to us when we tell them. people don't stop. it's inherent to what we do. and you don't get to use your weapon as a bullying tool as an intimidation tool to compel someone to stop. to come here. right? if you're afraid, take cover and concealment. there's no urgency. there's no exigent circumstance to act now. wait until you have the resources and make that situation safe for you and the suspect. >> harry, tulsa police say that they found pcp in the car and the police officer, at least reports we've heard, reports she believed that he might have been on something. he had a vacant stare. does that change the equation for you? >> well, no. i mean, the fact did the fact is here just because he might be under the influence of some kind of drug doesn't give you the reason to shoot somebody. you've got to -- you've got to feel that either your life or another officer's life is in danger. and what sheryl said before you know i agree with her tactics. those are tactics that she could have done. but, if you look at the video, back up arrived pretty quickly. so backup did arrive.

all right. and the fact is, that there's a lot of rhetoric out there saying that this man was shot with his hands up. i studied that video. his hands were not up when he was shot. >> this video? >> exactly. >> i've looked at it as well. it looks to me like one hand was up, and one hand was down. >> then as you can see, watch when he goes over to the door, his hands are down. now, at that point -- i don't know what the officer is telling him to do or what to do. all right. but what happens is at the same exact time when she fires it appears from information that i have read, that he also fired the taser at the same time. >> a different officer fired the taser. >> he also said if he had his weapon in his hand he would have shot him also at that time. that is a statement made by one of the officers. now looking at that -- all i can say is that the officer shot them maybe we can't really 23e8 if that window is up or down. it could be the back seat that we're looking at -- >> the family's attorney says the window was up and showed a picture of blood smear -- he blew it up and he looked -- >> i saw that.

>> you can see the window and there's a blood smear on it so the window was up when he was shot. >> i didn't see the blood smear on the window at all. i saw the blood smear on the bottom part of the door and i looked at that picture very close up. it looks like maybe the window is up but maybe also the window is down. that little shine that you see in the window that you think is a reflection- >> this raises the question just because somebody's not complying they can be shot? >> no, no, that's not what i'm saying. what he might have done is made what's called a furtherive move. listen. i tell you keep your hands out of your pocket and keep your hands up and i've got a gun on you. all right. you and i what are we going to do? we're going to keep our hands up. this man did not. okay the fact is that maybe now, why, as a police officer you're thinking why is that man not keeping his hands up? right? is he going to reach for a weapon? >> go ahead cheryl. >> i understand all of that. what's problematic for me is that she had her weapon out in the first police. who pulls a weapon out on a stranded motorist for any reason. and if you think something, you need to know. if you're going to discharge a firearm. you need to be absolutely sure. >> what about the drug

connection? what about if -- you know i mean their thinking is that if he is vacant, if he's not following commands, if he's on pcp that anything can happen. they, they know that there's violence people. people are not exercising their best judgment. >> isn't that convenient now to say that he was on pcp when she had just received this stranding. i've also been trained on recognizing someone who is under the influence of pcp and there's something called nystagmus and 245e9s when your eyeball does not have smooth pursuit. to say that he had a blank stare and was on pcp absent nystagmus because pcp is the only thing that causes that is problematic for me. and so i think that officer should be required to arctic light exactly what it was that made her fearful other than i thought something that may not have been occurring. because what we understand is that it's very difficult to argue with an officer, what is in their head. >> people -- >> the perception of danger is different in each officer. because, in each situation is

different. you can't compare this incident to another incident. each one itself is different in its own way. and that officer perceived a danger. i'm telling you to say away from the car. i'm telling you keep your hands out of your pocket and you keep on going for it. why? >> harry houck, cheryl dorsey thanks so much for your expertise. >> all right, president obama as you have never seen him before. i think. how did the president and anthony bourdain wind up together in vietnam? tony bourdain is here with the delicious story. next. don't fall asleep. that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you.

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a new season of cnn's "parts unknown" kicks off this sunday. it is in the premiere episode anthony bourdain visits hanoi. >> what? >> believe it or not. but here's where it gets more interesting. he gives president obama a crash course on eating needles. >> stop. >> you hack off noodles, drop them in your bowl. >> that's not too elegant. >> and dip and stir, and get ready for the awesomeness. >> i'm ready. now is it appropriate to just pop one of those whole suckers in your mouth? or do you think that you should be a little more -- >> well slurping is totally acceptable in this part of the world. >> celebrity chef, author and host of cnn's "parts unknown" anthony bourdain joins us now. wow, that looks cool. how did that come to pass? >> white house reached out to us, i guess, a little over a year ago, and we did a very,

very small group of people at the white house, and at my production company we were looking for a place that we could do something, you know, we ordinarily do on the show. i mean i'm not an interviewer. i'm not a foreign policy specialist. if the president wants to hang and eat noodles, great. >> why not chinatown instead of vietnam. you went all the way to vietnam for this. >> no, the president was doing a sutheast asia swing state visit to vietnam. his first. so, when we heard he was -- when they told us he was doing that we thought oh, that's a great location. we have a lot of experience there. that would be sort of perfect. >> but you were wrong, tony, because you wound up going into this dodgy restaurant where they couldn't secure it right you didn't have a lot of time. tell us about this. >> i'm really proud of that actually because i'm sure the secret service would have preferred a banquet room at the hilton, something more secure. we ate at a very typical hanoien police much beloved by locals, very specific to hanoi, local

fare, pork and noodles. the next day, vietnamese all across the city were coming up to me crying, literally crying, they couldn't believe that the president of the united states had chosen to eat something so specific to hanoi. so working class. so everyday. so recognizable. it really affected them in a way i never could have anticipated. this happened about five months ago. that was may/junedy the way. a remarkable number of people, how can the president be eating noodles with what's going on. something's not happening in realtime on television. you should know this. >> welcome to our world, tony. you can do nothing right. it's just about how wrong it is. >> but how, how much time did that restaurant have to like to sweep its secret for secret service stuff? >> they had about twelve minutes. they had an advance team quietly looking at the place and making sure, i don't know how far in advance. i suspect very much in advance. but it was a, you know, very funky place. the president of the united states sat on a little plastic stool and ate some, you know, very ordinary, sweet food.

he was very sentimental about it. he's very good with chop sticks. he's nostalgic for his time in indonesia as a young man. he likes food and i think he enjoyed himself. >> there was a little bit of concern about food prep right? i mean it's something that you take as one of the risks and the vagaries of travel. what did you do this time? >> did you have somebody test it for him? >> yeah -- >> tony did. >> i don't -- we got no identify gans from the white house at all. there was no list of suggested topics or even inquiries as to what we might be asking. >> were you worried that you gave him something that was too spicy or not cleaned the right way or something like that? >> i -- i -- he didn't seem concerned about any of those things. >> yeah but you're the one who knows what you're getting into in those situations tony. >> that's the good stuff. you know it's the breakfast buffet at the major hotel that usually brings us down on the road. this is the beloved local

establishments. they're not in business from poisoning their neighbors. >> gotcha. >> all right so tell us some highlights from the west of the season. >> we shoot a very music centric really spectacular music centric episode in nashville. we have a great episode coming up in rome. it was -- it's a very diverse, very unusual season where we really jump around from very different locations. very different shooting -- >> so you've got vietnam. tennessee, sichuan, china, oh, that's interesting. how rebuilt is that place after -- >> sichuan is just buildings going up as far as the eye can see. and i took my friend eric there who was unused to the level of heat and drinking in a place like sichuan. so that's comedy gold. and houston which i think is really going to surprise people. how diverse a city houston is. and how interesting the food and

how welcoming to immigrants and refugees from all over the world the city of houston we think of as a very conservative, even anti-immigrant state. houston -- what houston has done and is doing is kind of remarkable. >> so, we only have a few seconds left. did the president -- what'd you guys talk about? >> i spoke to him -- again i'm not a reporter. i spoke to him as a fellow father, of a -- of young women in his case, as a enthusiast for southeast asia. and as a guy who has strong opinions about food. >> anthony bourdain. we can't wait to watch it. this sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern only on cnn. thanks so much for being here with us. "newsroom" with carol costello picks up after this very short break. >> no ground fighting? ops being? is it a caregiver determined to take care of her own?

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a city reeling from a second night of protests and violence and now under a state of emergency. national guard troops rolling in to charlotte this morning as the governor mobilizes the soldiers and highway patrol to assist local law enforcement. protests triggered by the fatal police shooting of an african-american man spiral into chaos. was keith lamont scott holding a gun as police claimed or was he merely reading a book as his family insists. the answer may rest in video recordings of the altercation. officials won't say when or if they will release the video. vandals shatter store fronts in downtown charlotte and clash with police. four officers are hurt and even the media is harassed and assaulted. watch as a man knocks down