defensive and, quite frankly, he has to make sure. >> not somebody else's job anyway. >> apparently not. the modit's aerators are not go do that. that's the direction we're supposedly going in. >> what are you going to do all night. we'll have to check and see. >> thanks for the analysis. a lot of news for you on this friday. let's get to it. >> i'm urging each of you to come together in peace. >> we must work with our police not against our police. >> release the videos! release the videos! >> transparency is in the eye of the beholder. >> don't release some information. release everything. >> you have questions -- >> we have answers. >> too many people have lost their lives who shouldn't have. >> shots fired. >> the death of terence clutcher.

>> the first step in the long road to justice began today. this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> protesters taking to the streets for the third straight night in charlotte despite a curfew aimed at stopping violence which largely worked. demonstrators were largely peaceful calling for the police to release the video of the deadly shooting of keith lamont scott. >> scott's family finally seeing some of the police video that they say did not help clear up what happened. this comes as a tulsa police officer charged in the shooting death of an unarmed black man. policing and race. let's begin with nick valencia who is live in charlotte. how did it go last night, nick? >> good morning, alisyn. the mood on the street very different than it was 240 hours ago. yesterday at this hour that there were still business owners cleaning up the vandalism from

the riots. last night's protesters were by and large peaceful. police say they didn't have to implement the curfew because the protests went so smoothly. >> hand up, don't shoot. >> reporter: a third night of protests remained largely peaceful despite charlotte officials enacting a midnight curfew. a small group thanking national guard members for their service. others laying down the protest of keith lamont scott. >> release the video! >> reporter: and demanding that police video of the incident be released to the public. charlotte's police chief concede the video doesn't show scott pointing a gun at officers. >> the video does not give me absolute definitive visual evidence that, that would confirm that a person is pointing a gun when taken in the totality of all the other evidence, it supports what we've

heard and the version of the truth that we gave about the circumstances that happened. >> reporter: despite that, police are standing by their account of what happened. saying scott refused to drop his weapon. >> the gun in question is a small gun. and it was not easy to see with the way the motion was happening. so, it is ambiguous. >> reporter: after massive public outcry, the scott family saw two police videos capturing the deadly encounter. >> it was very painful. you know, not just to see him shot and killed, but to see the reactions on the rest the family members' face. >> reporter: attorneys for the family insist they saw no aggression in the video issuing a statement saying in part, it is impossible to discern from the videos what, if anything, mr. scott is holding in his hands. when he was shot and killed mr. scott's hands were by his side and slowly walking backwards. two wildly different accounts as more evidence is uncovered. this photo taken by an eyewitness appears to show a black object on the ground,

which a source close to the investigation says is the gun recovered by authorities. >> we're just not sure about that photo and other photos that maybe depict it. we did not see a gun in the video. >> reporter: after the shooting, scott's daughter suggested the gun was planted by the police. >> he was sitting in the car reading a [ bleep ] book. >> reporter: the police are adamant. >> the prepoperpenderous of evi he refused to drop that weapon and our officer fired as he received that threat. >> reporter: part of what is complicated is the two competing narratives. keith scott was unarmed when he was fatally shot and police say they recovered a gun. for now, north carolina bureau of investigation is taking over the investigation. but until that video is made public, demonstrators have

expressed their frustration. we should anticipate even more protests until that video comes out. chris? >> the expectation was, nick, showing the family the video would make things better, does not seem to be the case. joining us now the family's attorney. counselor, thank you for joining us. before we get investigative here, let's remain human. this must have been so difficult for this family, not to go in there finders of fact, but as loved ones. how did they handle this video footage? >> good morning and thank you for having me here today. you know, it was difficult. it was very painful for them to watch it. but, also, see their other family members in pain as a result of what they saw. you know, from my understanding his wife was actually out there at the time of the original shooting. so, this was her chance to, i guess, see the shooting, again. but it was very difficult for them. >> so, the whole point of this is to gain clarity.

what did they see in the video? >> absolutely. you know, all the family wants to know is why this happened and what the accurate facts are. what we see on the video is mr. scott, the officer os are yelling commands. he steps out of his vehicle. doesn't appear to be acting aggressive, whatsoever. not making any quick moves. moving slowly. you know, he doesn't appear to be arguing or yelling at law enforceme enforcement. his hands are down by his side. you can see what appears to be some type of object in his hand. but he never raises it at any point. actually, when he's shot, it looks like he's stepping backwards. so, you know, a lot of this is this talk of whether he had a gun. whether he had a book. you know, i know, and those who have been involved in these situations deeply understand the fact that for every person that may have seen something, they're

going to have their own view point. that's why we come in and we're not, you know, throwing out accusations. we just want to know the facts. at the end ooof tf the day if i proven and, of course, evidence that he had a firearm based on what i saw on those two videos yesterday i believe it's still questionable as to whether or not he should have been shot or killed. >> any question the legal analysis just having the weapon alone in an open carry state would not be dispositive of imminent threat. let's take one step back, counselor. what started a lot of the tension here without judgment that a family member said he was reading a book. my father doesn't have a gun. the police then said, we recovered a weapon at the scene. we have seen photos that were supposedly put out by some bystander that seems to show an object on the ground that looks like a gun. in the video, do you accept the idea from the police that he was

armed at the time? that mr. scott was armed. >> based on the two videos that we saw yesterday, you do not see a gun at any point in either one of those videos. you know, the daughter, of course, she put that video out. she said he had a book. you know, based on his usual patte pattern, he does sit in that vehicle and he does read a book and his mother has confirmed that and his family has confirmed that. but, you know, we have to be honest about these situations. every spouse doesn't know any and everything about their spouse. every child doesn't know any and everything about their loved one. so, again, if at the end of the day the evidence shows that there was a gun recovered from the scene and that gun was on his person, then we have to deal with that. but the key point here is the process. it's the transparency. it's the family deserves to know

why their loved one was shot and killed and we need to know all of the facts. and you just kind of analyze things as you move forward. >> so, you have to see the cops showing the family the video was a step in the right direction. but after watching it, what's your best sense of what happened? do you see the officer involved? is he in the uniform? is he not. what is your perspective that you got to see in the video? >> well, my perspective when you look at the video, you've also got to go back to the fact that why were they interacting with him at all in the first place? it's our understanding and they have said that they were out in that location to serve a warrant on someone who was not him. so, i don't know why they were aggressive towards him. but looking that video, there are still plenty questions. you know, he was not aggressive. again. he didn't appear to be combat e combative. he didn't appear to be yelling anything at the officers.

quite frankly, he looked a tad bit confused and that may have been that because in these situations you get multiple officers located in multiple positions yelling multiple commands. i don't know, i was not there with him. again, when he was shot, it appears as though he was stepping backwards. i don't know many people who want to go on the offensive of moving in the opposite direction. >> did you get to see the officers in the video? >> you can actually see pretty clearly two officers who were located on the opposite side of a pickup truck. i guess using that as cover looking at the vehicle mr. scott was in. you can kind of see the alleged shooter in the corner of the dash cam footage, but, you know, it's not really that clear. >> could you tell they were cops? >> you know, i don't know. hindsight is 20/20.

when i look at this, i see people in plain clothes wearing a vest. i can't make out anything that may be on that vest. it's unclear as to what mr. scott may have been able to see from his viewpoint. so, i don't know. i don't know if they identified themselves as police. all i know is that when that dash cam cut on, when that body cam is on, mr. scott is in his car and shortly therefore he steps out. >> justin bamberg, thank you very much. appreciate you giving us the sp perspective of what you saw in that video. appreciate you being on "new day." >> thank you. coming up in our next hour, we'll talk with charlotte's mayor jennifer roberts. you heard her say earlier in the show, it is ambiguous. what does she mean and what does she think about the state of safety on the streets there and the curfew? that will be coming up. the tulsa, oklahoma, police

officer who shot and killed an unarmed black man last friday now charged with felony manslaughter. officer betty shelby is free on $50,000 bond this morning after being jailed briefly overnight. cnn's ana cabrera is live in tulsa with more for us. good morning, what's the latest? >> good morning, alisyn. they conducted videos and they completed their entire investigation in just six days. this morning, the family of terence crutcher is calling the outcome a somewhat victory. tulsa police officer betty shelby turning herself in and released on bond overnight. charged with the shooting death of 40-year-old terence crutcher. >> we know nothing that happens not charges, not convictions, not tent ansentencing will brin terence back p.

>> reporter: the felony manslaughter charge coming less than a week after the footage was captured. terence walking with his hands up just moments before he's gunned down by shelby. they say officer shelby acted unreasonably by escalating the situation from a confrontation with mr. crutcher, who was not responding to verbal commands. shelby told investigators she feared crutcher was reaching into his car, potentially for a weapon. no no weapon was found at the scene. >> she thought if she didn't take action right then everybody would be in serious bodily injury or death. >> we did not see any point of mr. crutcher being noncompliant. >> reporter: questioning the officer's story by pointing to an enhanced picture of the window. >> you can see that it is

completely up and there is blood going almost to the top of the window. >> reporter: cnn has independently analyzed the video frame by frame zooming in. it does appear that the window is up. and that a reflection of his arms in the window is visible. >> we're demanding full prosecution. we want a conviction and when that happens, this is a small victory. but we know we have to fight this war. >> reporter: the charge of manslaughter in the first degree is a serious one carrying a penalty of four years up to life in prison if convicted. we did reach out to the attorney for officer shelby this morning who has not gotten back to us just yet. and i want to point out that while video evidence may seem conclusive, experts say it is never the only evidence presented at trial. chris, alisyn. >> let's discuss it. we want to bring in retired lapd cheryl dorsy and retired nypd

detective harry halk. are you surprised officer shelby has been charged with manslaughter? >> like i said yesterday, you know, we couldn't see what happened. so, aapparently, after the investigation they decided to charge her. >> you don't think there is enough evidence is what i'm hearing. >> i don't know. i don't know what her statement was. the fact that -- you know -- >> we know a little bit of what her statement was. we just heard it there in ana's piece where she felt her and her fell fellow officers were in danger of injury or death. >> we know there wasn't a gun in the car now, but did we know then? why did he decide not to follow the commands of the police. >> so you don't think she should have been charged is what i'm hearing. >> i don't know enough evidence. i do a further analysis when more comes out on the case, i'll

take a look at it and make my own decision based on that. right now we don't know enough. >> talking to prosecutors about cases like this and very often if they see proof that an officer is not doing what they should have been doing in the situation, that winds up weighing on their analysis of that final moment of judgment. you can't take it in that move, as they're saying. do you agree with that? >> absolutely. what we do know is that the tactics that led up to this deadly force incident were deplorable. she took herself from a position of cover and concealment. she walked up on someone she said was scaring her more than she has ever been scared in her entire life and created a situation where now deadly force had to be used and she's trying to articulate that i was in fear without really articulating what made you fearful. if you were in fear, why are you running up on him? you don't get to say i'm in fear and you get to kill somebody.

somebody failing to comply does not require lethal force. someone walking to a car, if you're telling them not to do that, does not justify deadly force. so, maybe he was walking to the car because she asked him to go get something out of the car and he was trying to comply. we don't know. we don't hear the audio. >> we don't know that yet. we don't know that quite yet. the fact, this man had his hands up and kept on walking towards his car. there's no audio. all right. there's other officers that scene. now, i agree with cheryl on the first part regarding her tactics when she was alone. but the -- >> should have taken cover. >> right, i agree with those tactics. that is that officer's choice, though, at the scene. might have been a better tactic for her to do that. nothing wrong with a police officer being scared for their life. i've been scared many times and that's where this thing called courage comes in. and we are supposed to have courage as police officers. right. that kicks in -- >> what would that look like if you had courage in that scene, what would you have done there differently?

>> i don't know. i wasn't right there. all i know that that man kept on going towards the car. and i told him to stop, stop, stop. and he did not stop and when we got around to the car, if it looked like he was reaching into the window for something or was making a move, i don't know what i would have done, okay. i had situations. i've taken on gunmen by myself several times. >> there you go. >> each situation is different. >> why didn't she just tase him? >> you have to act on what you know, not what you think. i thought he was doing this, i thought he was doing that. we now know for a fact she had already cleared the car. that means she rendered it safe. that means there was nothing in that vehicle that whauz goias g hurt her if he got back into the vehicle. >> meaning they had gone in and looked already? >> they had reported that she already cleared the car. that's police jargon for i walked up to it as a police officer and i looked in and there's nothing that is going to hurt me if you get back in that

car. she rendered it clear. the window is up. you just can't say now i think he might -- >> also, remember this. >> there was a weapon in view. maybe it was a weapon underneath -- >> but that's true. it is a possibility, but, remember, legal analysis in these situations. you're working on probabilities and reasonableness and i've been listening more than i've been interacting because i'm trying to think of it as the lawyers doing this. probable cause of a crime was committed. that's what they're looking for to get this criminal complaint or indictment. probably cause is a low standard. when you have this video, it is not a surprise that they found it satisfied for an indictment. do you agree with that? you don't know if it is beyond a reasonable doubt. >> the video is not good enough at the point where he is in front of the window and the police officers are right there. this is the view the police officer has. that helicopter, the officer does not have the helicopter view. the officer has this view here with what's going on.

i'm not saying whether she should have shot or not shot. what i want to see here is more evidence of what's going on here in this case and exactly what kind of movement this man did. that's very important for me. >> for probable cause for a crime to be committed, do you think you know enough already? >> absolutely. we heard varying statements from her. we've heard her say she thought he was under pcp and reaching for something, he was trying to get back in the vehicle. i believe the prosecutors coupled her statements, varying statements, which sounds to me, let me manufacture a use of this deadly force and it doesn't jive with what's on the video. >> cheryl, harry, thank you both very much for all of your experience with this and sharing it with us. all right. let's move over to what's going on in government. what is congress to do to address these deadly police shootings? sure, it's not exclusively what the federal government does but we have two lawmakers joining us

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now major issues on the campaign trail, but what can the president or congress, for that matter, do about racial and police tension? joining us now are two men who know, democratic congressman of new york's greg meeks chairman of the congressional black caucus and republican congressman of georgia doug collins. thanks, gentlemen, for both being here. let's try to get some answers for the viewers today. you, both, are in a good position to do this. congressman collins, let me start with you because you're on this house task force of police community relations. what is the first thing that you would do to stop the kind of tension and the shootings, frankly, that we've been covering so much of in the past year? >> well, i think what we're seeing is a tragedy. i think what this police working group is trying to do is come to the discussion points and say where can we find dialogue and where can we bridge gaps and what is happening is unacceptable. unacceptable in the police communities and the communities in which they serve. what we are trying to do is

facilitate that conversation. i made this comment many times that what is needed right now is trust and what is broken right now is trust. one thing having the dialogue between the communities and the police and the issues that they're facing to say how can we have a better communication relationship so when instances like this come up there is a trust factor that can get a positive result instead of the tension that we're seeing right now. >> so, communication is number one. but let's talk about specifically how congress can help. congressman meeks, what we have heard in the past few days after these shootings, more federal aid for local law enforcement. they need more money. can that happen from congress? >> well, i'd hope. let me first correct. i'm sure the congressional black caucus want to make sure that's clear. >> thank you. >> there are things we can do. number one, doug is part of and i talked to cedric richmond from

louisiana and hakim jeffries from new york and ranking member john coniers, they're working together. that krvegconversation and dial is tremendously important. what we have is the power in congress to pass legislation. various bills that have been written that we need to talk about. we need to have hearings on them and then vote them on the floor. >> go ahead. >> for example, we have to fund more body cameras because what we know is that when you have a visual view of what's taking place, it helps transparency because the issue in a lot of cases is just a matter of transparency. so, we can do that. we can pass a piece of legislation that will require individuals, require the attorney general to come up with the statistics clearly showing the makeup of who is being shot and who is not. >> sure. >> we don't even do that. pieces of legislation that is written that we can pass and make a difference and give

people to believe the trust factor. >> one of the things we have heard from every person who has come on here in the past few days about these shootings is that there is a need for independent investigators. after one of these police shootings, you can't rely on the police department that is involved to investigate itself. who's getting in the way of some sort of investigative body that could look into these things? >> well, i think what you're looking at here is, again, gregory and i talked about this before and we are talking aboutit this moabout the local response. even how you deal with things even the videotapes that are very good and the body cameras do give us that perspective and each state having different standards of how that happens. what we need to look at is how then do we have the independent investigations working with the state and local and then where there is a need from a federal perspective and i believe the department of justice is looking into these.

i believe there is a proper federal role there especially when you're seeing the incidents like we are seeing. i think this is something that maybe is something as we look forward in our working group talking to both democrats and republicans say looking at a process that is fair to both sides and involves the federal. if not, how do we encourage state and local to be more transparent in how they go about this. >> do you think that could happen, the federal body that could be the investigative body? >> the hope is the working group. it seems when you listen to doug and i have been talking to cedric and others. so communication among both parties is tremendously important. that's the first step. and then, so, that communication is there, so you would hope that the next step is that we would agree on a bipartisan way legislation that would go through the hearing process and then we will have a vote on the floor. and, so, i have hope that that will happen, but it needs to happen in an expeditious manner

so we make sure that people have faith in the criminal justice system. >> we hear everybody say there has to be better training for police officers. they have to know what to do in a situation like this and not feel as scared as it seems officer shelby did in tulsa. would you be willing to fund that? is congress, does congress have the appetite for funding better training for local police officers? >> i think right now all things are on the table and i think several issues, not just in the training of officers. this is something i need, you just brought this up. when officers are going out and feeling like they're under siege or their concern for their own safety, that heightens not only their policing and their concern in how they view their situations, but then it it maybe takes away from the possible de-escalation. other things they can use. my father was a state trooper for 31 years. i lived in a state trooper's household and a trooper's kid. you had those concerns, would he

come home. he had been in many fights and other things. he had always told me that training is one of the most important things we can do. i think the federal dollars in programs that we can get to the locals to train them in all aspects, not just the physical aspects, but the mental aspects of going to a domestic violence situation. these are issues in which they are put in a position, sometimes of no win, but they need to have the tools for de-escalation so we can have a positive result. >> congressman meeks, on a brighter note a historic moment in washington happening this weekend. the national museum of natural history and culture opens tomorrow on the national mall. this was years in the making. tell us the significance. >> let me tell you, it is amazing. i had a chance to do a quick preview. it is an moern stor american st. great for all americans. when you look at slavery in america to where we are today,

all americans get to see the progress and the contributions that african-americans made to this great country of ours. it makes you fill with pride. if you're african-american but for all americans when you look at the progress that has been made over that time. and all americans will have a chance on the federal mall to come and see this great american story of the contributions of african-americans to this great country of ours. it is absolutely amazing. it is very well done. and i think that for generations yet unborn, people will then get to see the american story and the greatness of it as how it has evolved and continues to evolve and more perfect union. >> president obama will be there tomorrow. i look forward to bringing my kids there. congressman meeks, congressman collins, thank you for being here. >> thanks. appreciate it. the battle of messaging is going to be in full effect for the last stretch of the campaign. hillary cllt inton is making a

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we had bombings. we've had two racially charged shootings. who's making it better? who's playing it to advantage and who's making it worse in this election? let's discuss. david gregory, cnn political analyst and author of "how's your faith" which is now in paperback. thank you very much. still waiting for my signed copy. it is very good to have you here. the situation with the shootings. what do you see from both candidate in terms of who seems to be dealing with this situation better? >> i think there is a fiction on both sides. somehow the presidential level you're going to offer this solution and going to be able to solve something that is so complicated. number two that is a complex and protracted problem that we have of violence against african-americans in this country at the hands of the police. what is going on in these communities has to be dealt with that perceived threat. a sense of injustice on the hands of the police by so many african-americans across the country. so, i think if you're running

for president you try to set a tone. you put some kind of frame around this discussion. around the idea of who can provide more order. who can try to bring some order to this unstable situation. and both are trying to address it. donald trump in particular is trying to have it both ways. i think both trying to attack hillary clinton and somehow feeding the sense of institutional racism. while at the same time, trying to emps the as he reaches out to african-american voters. it is a bit chaotic. >> hillary clinton has been out on her own campaign website her plan to try to bring this kind of order that we are talking about. we can grow through it and whether or not it's realistic develop national guidelines and it is a moment-by-moment decision when you're in the heat of the moment as a police officer. we heard how important training programs is for police to be better trained. support legislation to end racial profiling. and provide federal matching funds for body cameras. we just heard two of our lawmakers there say that would

be important. so, she's spelling out what a president can do or at least guide congress towards. >> right. whether congress goes along with something like that, we don't know. we know that there is a federal aspect to this. the justice department is looking into a lot of these shootings. the fbi certainly has a role to play, but so much of this has to do with what's going on inside communities and those relationships between the police and the communities that they serve. and that's where a lot of this work has to be done. i think there is room for national discussion about it and for the federal government to be involved. but probably at the end of the day going to be more limited. much more important to work inside the communities. and i think in a presidential campaign, that's one element. social media is another that tends to exacerbate the tension around all of this instead of always making it better. >> she's missing probably the most important thing that the federal government can do in that plan, which is to create a national registry of these shootings. we do not keep track of them in this country right now. it has been proposed, but the

democrats who propose it and establish high ground on this issue, then all these gun control measures and all these other things that they know are politically unacceptable and they don't get through. >> neither make a real point of saying, look, our police are vital and they do a great job and this is not about making an easy debate that, you know, this is bad, these people are good and these people are bad. but we have a situation. you cannot have african-ameri n african-americans being shot and killed at this rate and not look up and say -- >> she says that. >> donald trump says our police are great people and they do a great, great job. you're saying they don't do it -- >> it complexity of it within the political context. >> don't you think she tries to, where he has the different approach the ping-pong at one point condemn black lives matter and say our cops are underseeie and she seemed to choke. seems to go back and forth with the aphff vote.

it's the worst ever, when it clearly isn't. you need stop and frisk in chicago which is not acceptable in several communities. >> hillary clinton just put out a new ad that plays on our daughters and what we want for them. watch this. >> i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. >> i'd look her right in that ugly face. she's a slob. >> a person who is flat chested is hard to be a ten. >> do you treat women with respect. >> i can't say that either. >> these have been very effective ads because it's really about deisqualifying trump as someone who is

intemperrant and risky and unacceptable as a person. she's, obviously, reaching out to constituency that she struggles with, that's men. think of this in terms of your daughters. what does it mean to have someone who normalizes this kind of talk and puts it in a public square in a way that becomes acceptable in a way because it happens over and over again. i think this is a specific kind of appeal to people's decency to say, can't have this guy. >> david gregory, great tasee y you. the first presidential debate is three days away and the next guest says the most watched event on television. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars.

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we are just three days away from the first presidential debate. donald trump and hillary clinton face to face for the first time. >> i have my chili ready. >> bring nachos. how will it all play out? james fallows wrote this fascinating cover story about the debate rivalry. he is a national correspondent for "the atlantic" and former chief speech writer for president carter. he joins us now. no one understands debate better than you, jim. thank you for being here. >> my pleasure. >> so, how is this going to go in your estimation? >> boy, if i only i knew that i journalist. we can see the traits that each candidate brought in. hillary clinton knows this field cold and donald trump never has before. she needs to show the traits

that we know she has and the ones we would like to see she has for this calm confidence in batting donald trump back. >> who will win as a proposition comes down to your premise of what wins in general? what do you believe creates advantage on that stage? >> my experience both in seeing debates back in the jimmy carter era and studying them since then is a matter. the debates are sort of conducted in logic, but they are received in emotion. and people see how candidates carry themselves and who looks comfortable and who looks. the main thing that conveyed that ronald reagan was comfortable in his role as leader of the nation and jimmy carter seemed beset. that degree of who seems comfortable in this role between two opposite figures. >> does style win over substance? what do people take away? do they look at the zingers and

the style and the comfort level or are they looking for real ideas and substance? >> you're setting up that question and only one obvious answer. only one time when gerald ford in 1976 got wrong the fact that the soviet union was controlled poland. that caused some problems. the rest it is substance as a vehicle for style. you know, that we think of lloyd benson and dan quayle -- >> that's what i've been saying, by the way. he just said it right. >> i don't recall you saying it with quite the eloquence. >> the poise and what creates those moments and what creates that perception is going to be unique in this contest thus far. this is the first time and maybe the last time that people will have an opportunity to get a first impression of clinton and trump who owns this space as potential president better. >> and i think owning is a very crucial word here because one of

trump's strongest traits in the primary is simply his dominance over the other people. i have a clip from wrestling about when he shaved the head of vince mcmahon. so you have a blustery man and a strong woman. and every single thing about them is different. and also the fact that donald trump is not usually at his most blustery when there is a woman this close to him. think of the pastor in flint a week or so ago when he meekly backed off and carly fiorina. somebody who prides his strength will deal with a tough woman right there. >> we have that moment of carly fiorina because that did seem to be one moment when he was back on his heels. look at that face. who would vote for that face? i met o her persona, not her face. here's how she responded. >> you know, it's interesting to me, mr. trump said he heard very

clearly what mr. bush said. i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said. >> she won that one, that point, and even that debate. so hillary clinton has to somehow manufacture or wait for or find a moment like that. >> i think she might be able to assume there'll be attack moments from donald trump. i'm sure they're planning the now how she rebuts the attack as carly fiorina did or as hillary clinton did in the benghazi hearings numerous times, and then having established that role, pivot back to, but what really matters for america is the blah, blah, blah, the blah being the substance matters for the debate >> something i keep picking up is the notion that, clinton is going to be held to a higher standard. this is -- i don't get it. i feel like this is the his last chance, this first huge moment next to her to prove that he belongs on that stage as a potential president, not as an entertaining guy and a one-liner and an insult machine that can

move through the primary field. >> certainly for members of his base, he proved that long ago. but there is this historical pattern of challengers feeling like they have to establish that. that was what john kerry, a novice, was establishing with richard nixon, with ronald reagan and jimmy carter and even george w. bush going against al gore in that first debate. there is that threshold for people not already on the train. are they going to think, yes, donald trump can handle all these questions about substance and can deal with a very experienced -- >> and how many of those people might you have. if the estimate of 100 million is right, you have a huge number. >> certainly you have enough to make a difference in an election that seems to be this close in this many states. that's why it matters, that's why i'm going to be watching, too. >> let's talk about a wild card is and that is roger ailes, the former head of fox news, ousted

during sexual harassment accusations. he's a master sloganeeres and knows a lot about debate prep and some of the most famous lines originated with him. what do you think he's doing with donald trump right now. >> it's hard to know what debate prep would be like in the trump team. when scripted, he's not as vital as he is when he is impromptu. so i'm sure ailes, if anyone, is trying to challenge the raw donald trump to the scripted donald trump and say, this is how you can provoke her and have her sink to his level. i don't think she will, but that's what they'll try. >> thanks so much for sharing with us. >> you have to come back after the debate. you understand it too well. >> look forward to it. >> so clinton and trump, in terms of the state of play, they're duking it out, and there are states that are up for grabs

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donald trump, hillary clinton, locked in a dead heat in north carolina. this is a huge state, especially for clinton, if she can find a way to get this state the way obama did. we have cnn's sunlen serfati live in washington with more. what do we see there? >> reporter: the ongoing unrest we see in charlotte really does set a powerful new backdrop for what has already been a very polarized race in north carolina. this could, potentially, become a game changer for voters on the ground, in a race that has been locked in a dead heat for weeks. in battleground north carolina -- >> my understanding is that we will see your support in november. is that correct? >> a sense of urgency from both campaigns. >> come on, let's go. >> tell them who you voted for. >> the candidates are flooding the state. >> it's great to be here at unc. >> reporter: as the campaigns ratchet up the respected ground games. >> make sure we're taking some voter registration games, as

well. >> initially lagging far behind in infrastructure, trump's campaign is now moving in on the tar heel state, looking to capitalize on what it sees as an enthusiastic base of supporters. >> early voting starts here, october 20th. so, ideally, you get out and you vote, right? get out early. don't wait. >> reporter: in the past six weeks, bolstering its resources as part of a coordinated effort with the rnc, opening its first field offices, nine now in all, and adding more than 100 paid staffers on the ground. trump and his allies are spending more than 3 million on the airwaves, but it's still no match for the clinton campaign's north carolina footprint, which is still growing. it's added 21 field offices in the past six weeks and expanded its staff to 300. and it's going big on tv, dropping a combined $17 million on ads with affiliated groups. >> donald trump's plan, tear families apart. >> the clinton campaign sees

north carolina as a must-win for trump. >> i think that we have a really good chance to really slam the door shut if we win here. >> reporter: the trump campaign isn't going that far. >> this is a critical state. victory will come through north carolina. >> is it a must-win? >> i'm not going to say must-win, but it is a critical state. >> reporter: both sides are in search of any persuadable voters, including those who are still on the fence about voting at all. >> i don't know if there's necessarily anything they can say, just because of all the negativity that's been surrounded by both of their campaigns. >> reporter: there aren't many undecided voters left in north carolina, just 6% in the latest cnn poll, but they could tip the balance for either candidate. >> at first, i would say i was for trump, at first, but as time has gone on, that's why i'm undecided. because as time has gone on, and the more i've heard, the more my opinions change. >> the campaigns are facing a dual mission, battling for voters who are up for grabs, as they try to energize their core

supporters, essential in the final stretch. for clinton, that's the obama coalition of young voters, minorities, and women. this week, the campaign dispatching mothers of the movement, women who lost their children to gun violence. >> we're in a bad place right now. and they're not going to give us what we want. we have to take it. and we do that at the polls. we vote. >> reporter: team trump traveling to the rural eastern part of the state, to the town of keenansville, with a population of less than 900. >> it is great to be in north carolina. >> reporter: and as the candidates both react to this new situation on the ground in charlotte, which no doubt will reverberate throughout the state, sources telling cnn that donald trump is considering a trip to charlotte next week, after the debate. chris and alisyn, his campaign is looking at the logistics of that right now. >> sunlen, thanks so much for all of that reporting. we're following a lot of news this morning, so let's get right to it.