we have been following a number of breaking news stories out of charlotte and washington state. we will update you on those stories. stay tuned to cnn. thank you for watching. we will see you back here sunday night at 11:00 with a preview of the first presidential debate. sheing the moments before and after the shooting. police officers yell at scott to drop the gun. the family maintains there was no gun. that scott was sitting in his truck waiting for his son to come home from school. a source close to the investigation says the gun police say they recovered was loaded and had fingerprints, blood and dna that matched up with scotts. it's important to note the forensic evidence doesn't prove scott was armed when he was

killed. the bottom line, four days after he was shot and killed there are more questions than answers. randi kaye has the latest. >> reporter: the video is hard to wachlt it begins with a standoff between police officers and keith lamont scott. his wife is recording the video on her cell phone. >> don't shoot himment don't shoot him. he has no weapon. he has no weapon. what you don't see from this vantage point is scott himself. 20 seconds in to it, another firm warning from scott's wife that her husband does not have a gun but he has a traumatic brain injury. >> he doesn't have a gun. he has a tbi.

>> a few seconds later she says her husband just took his medicine and he's not going to do anything to them but the situation escalates. she walks closer, telling her husband to get out of the vehicle. >> don't let him break the windows come out of the car. police can be heard telling him to drop the gun nine times. >> don't shoot him. don't shoot him. he didn't do anything. >> drop the gun. >> he doesn't have a gun. he has a tdi. >> drop the gun. drop the gun. >> then about 50 seconds after he was told to put his hands up, police fired, but not before one final warning. >> keith, keith, don't you do it. >> four shots can be heard on the video. though the actual shooting is off camera.

it's still unclear what mrs. scott was trying to tell her husband when she shouted "don't do it." watch the final moments ago. >> keith, keith, keith, don't you do it. >> still up for debate, if keith scott had a weapon as police have claimed and what prompted officers to shoot. his wife clearly shocked by what she witnessed. >> did you shoot him? did you shoot him? he better not be dead. >> she moves closer until the camera can see her husband on the ground. unsure if he's alive or dead, she is dead. >> he better live. i swear he better live. yep, he better live. he better live. >> on the video, it's hard to tell if the gun police said they saw is anywhere on the ground. but look at this photo acquired by charlotte police. the chief says it shows what appears to be a handgun on the pavement at scott's feet.

the photo was clearly taken after the video since crime scene tape not seen in the video is up. s when asked about the gun being in the photo but not in the video, a spokesman for the city of charlotte said it is part of the investigation and a question for the state investigation board. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> the fatal shooting set off three nights of protests. the first two were chaotic and last night's calmer demonstrations. we want to check in to see how things are going. what's the latest? >> hey, anderson, this is a very different crowd than what we have seen the past three nights here in charlotte. i want to give you an idea what is going on. we are outside of the omni hotel where 48 hours ago things got out of hand. there was chaos on the street. right now the crowd is much slimmer.

right now these artists are writing the names of african-american men who have been involved in police shootings over the past few years. the crowd is very different. there are more church groups, religious leaders, several prayer circles. people hugging each other and talking calmly. i've seen a lot of people walking up to the national guard that's parked outside of the omni hotel. i can also say the crowd is noticeably younger. i think partly because it's the weekend a lot of families have come out. i spoke to a mom who brought her six kids with her with signs ready to stand on the street corner. the tone is more somber. there isn't chanting or march going on and fewer people are out here. the hope is as we get later in to the night this tone will continue and the protests will remain peaceful and we won't see a repeat of what we saw two

nights ago which is bedlam here on the streets of charlotte. anderson? >> thank you very much. a different scene tonight in atlanta martin savidge is with a crowd of protesters marching and chanting. >> we are outside of olympic centennial park. it is a landmark not just for the the city but the nation here. this protest is organized under the umbrella of the georgia naacp but there are many other groups here, at least 25 different organizations, everything from black lives matter to the unitarian church. it's a diverse crowd, but it's very firm crowd. they are fired up. clearly angry as a result of the events that have taken place this week in charlotte, in tulsa. several hundred here marching. they won't say where they are going to go. they say they are headed eventually to the king center, that's two miles away.

they also believe there will be an undisclosed location where they will gather and attempt to do something. the concern for police is they may try to block a highway or thorough fare. that's something the police will not allow to happen. >> do you have any sense of numbers? we see your camera and on the left side of the screen we see a helicopter shot from an affiliate. it is hard to get a sense of numbers. >> it looked like when they started at the civil rights museum, 200 to 300 people they had been hinting they are going to be joined by more people strategically placed along the way. the crowd is expected to grow. it's a mixed crowd, not just racially but by age. there are people who are demonstrating back in the days

of the naacp movement a youth movement here, as well. that's part of the symbolism. that's why they go from the civil right museum to the king center to show a link between the events of today and events of the past. >> joining me is david clinger, criminalologist, cnn law enforcement analyst and former president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives seds rick alexander. van jones and form federal prosecutor lauren coats. in the video that the family of mr. scott has released we don't see the actual shots or even a gun with the cell phone video. for the first time we are able to hear the officer saying put down the gun. it is important to know a loaded gun was recovered from the scene. what do you see in this video?

what stands out to you? the wife is saying he doesn't have a gun? what struck me is the amount of time between when the video started and shots were fired and as your reporter mentioned the multiple commands to drop the gun. this wasn't one of those situations that happened rapidly. this was one that took a little time to build up. another thing that is interesting to me, that i don't quite understand yet, is how it is that the suspect traversed the area from the vehicle that he was apparently sitting in to

the point where he fell. so, that took a few seconds. we don't really know what was going on at that point because as you noted earlier the camera had been jostled. it is difficult to assess. what i would say there are a huge number of questions, why are the officers there? why did they deploy in the locations they deployed. why does one officer say something about getting the baton. the wife says don't let them break the windows. did they have a tactical plan to extrack him. there are a lot of unanswered questions and that will come when we have access to the case file. >> you hear the wife say to her his ban, keith don't do it. i wonder what you see in this.

everyone sees things differently. what stands out to you. >> everyone does see things differently in the case. i don't know who she is talking to when she made the statement. this is something i need to be clear on. this video we have been looking at is a piece of the puzzle. what is interesting during the course of the investigation is also to see the video footage that the city or the police department has possession of. this will come together and tell a story as to what occurred, when, where and how. in this video what does stick out to me, anderson is none of us on this side of that video can see a gun. that doesn't mean it was not one

there. it's just that if we are looking for one, this video doesn't give us that. but maybe another piece of footage maybe able to do so. >> if the officers were able to hear scott's wife and we don't know that all of the officers could hear her. once they know there is a possible brain injury and he had taken medication, i'm wondering should that have affected the situation at all? there is the question of a still photo where you see an object in the foreground. i couldn't identify it as a gun. i don't know what it was. in the video it doesn't seem to show up. what do you make of what you are seeing? >> first of all, you know, it's heart breaking to see this over and over again. i hope this doesn't become a new normal where we get desensitized, here's someone that lost their life, here's a wife pleading and we almost see it as something to be clinical about. it is a horrible tragedy.

reality is this video cuts both ways. this is a piece of a puzzle. what i want to speak to is when you have people who have traumatic brain injuries, you hear tbi, when you have people with mental health issues law enforcement needs to be better trained to talk people down rather than shoot them down. all too often people with mental health issues wind up on the wrong end of these incidents and police go in to a pattern with it. verbal command, verbal command, the command isn't working and they move up the ladder of force, to the point of deadly force when someone else may be able to talk that person down. it could be an issue here. we don't know if there is a gun or not. one last thing, for a normal person, listen, the cops are saying "drop the gun" there must be a gun. there could be a misunderstanding and then they say they found a gun.

what you have to remember in the african-american, the idea of a throwdown ub gun is as normal as anything else. when a shooting goes wrong there are some elements that carry a throw down gun, a gun you drop at the scene. that is something people are familiar. just the fact that police say there was a gun there does not mean to a lot of people there was a gun there. we need more information than we are getting. hiding the actual video is not helping. this video could cut either way. we need more facts. >> laura, i want to get your perspective. the sheriff said the video he has seen didn't show anything definitive if there was a gun pointed. this new video doesn't change that and we don't see mr. scott. what raises questions about you or answers? >> as a prosecutor i look at this and say it is an emotional and very provocative. what don't i see? what is my inquiry, as a

prosecutor, i'm looking and saying if there was a gun there he may have been entitled to have a gun in this state. it is whether or not these officers felt as though their lives were threatened and whether he was going to use lethal force against them to justify use of kpersive force or otherwise. just because he had a gun, whether it is on the ground or his person does not automatically make me think that he used it in a way that was going to threaten them. that is what neither the video we are seeing now shows us or the one we have not seen but has been described by the sheriff. that's where my eyewitness testimony comes in. that's why i don't really understand, anderson, why the video from the officers have not been released either. but static moments in time, they are incomplete and inconclusive but would help to figure out the

bigger picture. >> let me try to answer that. i asked david that last night. his explanation, i want to put it to you and see what you have to say about it from a legal standpoint is that with an investigation going on you don't want witnesses being affected by seeing a video, changing their story or being impacted by seeing this video and having a video out there, the same with officers. you don't necessarily want them to see the video and changing their story. what do you make of that? >> to the first point, the chief of police has already come out and given a press conference where he describes with specificity what he sees in the video. having us have the opportunity to confirm what he has described is what is indeed seen on the video seems odd. if i have already told what it is, can i see it for myself? that's number one. number two, it is true that officers will routinely tell officers, let's not open the investigation completely. let's not have all of our evidence there. we are trying to ascertain the

suspect and what they know. in this situation it is used in a hypocritical way for the reason you just said, anderson. the officers say they do not want to compromise the investigation by having witnesses recall video and not recall the actual incident. yet officers are allowed to have a uniformity of memory when it comes to watch watched the video over and over again and decide best how to proceed and it cannot be used as a double-edged sword when it comes to the justice system. we have to take a break. ahead i will speak to the public defender who worked hard to calm the chaos during protests this week literally standing between police and protesters in the midst of tear gas. he says people are hurting and no one else needs to die or be arrested. we will talk to him. and the arrest of justin carr shot and killed during the first night of protests. who police say pulled the trigger. we will talk to his family about their reaction ahead. when this busy family...

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tonight. atlanta on the right and on the left charlotte. fourth night of protests and curfew in effect for midnight tonight. if you have been watching the coverage of the protests this week, you may have noticed this man. there among the protesters and between the protesters and police. trying to diffuse it and help do what he can. these pictures are from wednesday. the most chaotic night of the protests. the public defender in charlotte and he is joining me now. thank you for being with us. it has been incredibly tough week in the city of charlotte. i'm wondering what you are seeing tonight, and what the mood is like. >> well, you know, anderson, thank you for having me, but the mood is one of somberness, one of hurt, one of still -- we want to know more but it is peaceful. there aren't any protesters in the street breaking or hurting anyone. national guard is here and they are on the curb, relaxed in that

atmosphere. there's not the tension of waiting for an explosion or shot to be heard around the world. we are demonstrating they want answers and are here to stand peacefully and exercising our constitutional rights because we're upset. because we're upset we are going to do it peacefully. that peaceful nature is for me the biggest thing. i'm glad to see the way charlotte is operating. i'm proud of my city for doing it last night, as well, in the midst of a state of emergency we weren't acting in that emergency. in that way it has been good. we still have a long way to go. >> let me ask you, from a personal standpoint, i said it last night on the air when you were interviewed, i think by boris sanchez, you know, i have huge respect for public defenders across the country. you all are overworked, understaffed, underfunded and underpaid and have an impossible

task. for you to work during the day at your job as a public defender and spend nights on then streets standing in risky situations between police and protesters, it is volatile. what personally draws you out there? >> it is not just me, there is eddie thomas from my office, elizabeth gerber, a lot of others have been out here. what draws us is not the paycheck, the hours or work but the heart for the people. our heart is always pounding for the people i'm respepresenting. when you are passionate and have a purpose it doesn't matter if you are tired. the fourth night a here, i have been up to 3:00 or 4:00 every morning and i'm tired but i will go because i'm driving by the fuel to know we can make a difference today and we will improve things tomorrow. in that sense, in that way i believe we are getting better. that keeps me going. >> as you know, mr. scott's widow released a video that she took of the incident.

i'm wondering -- you know the justice system well. there are folks involved in the investigation that say we don't want to release the police videos because we don't want witnesses to change their testimony or be influenced by what they see in the video. do you think the videos should be released quickly? they will be released at some point, but should they be released quickly? >> the interesting thing about that, anderson. there's two courts, a court of law and court of public opinion. in the court of law is where i work on an everyday basis and that requires the facts, but the court of public opinion is emotion, opinions and those types of things. so if the video, which is a fact, is not shown and the video is the only unbiased fact. you can't change the video. if the video was not shown the facts are left to be imagined and that take us to the court of public opinion. if we don't have facts we will fill in the blanks. in our community and all of our

communities we know people can do and say the wrong things. because there's been such a mistrust, so many problems in the police force and so many problems with the police covering things up, ie, charleston, south carolina we imagine the worse. that's what is happening in the court of public opinion because officials are not releasing the video. i would say this, the video of the wife, i believe is one piece to the puzzle. there are only two other pieces, two other videos, one is body cameras from the officers and possibly the digital mobile video recording, the videos from the vehicles. why not release those? why not release those? why not release those? to say don't shoot him and as you hear don't do it, that's not the wife speaking to what is happening inside the car. that's -- it makes sense that an officer is taking his weapon out and don't do it. that's where it makes sense. if we have one video that says

there's a lot of distrust here, a lot of open questions, a lot of unanswered questions. we need the cops to show their side. can't have one team show their cards and the other team not show their cards but then to have the chief characterize this video in a way that seems favorable to them doesn't add up. if the video is what they claim for it to be than release it and allow people to see it. that's what we did two, three years ago. jonathon farrell, we addressed the issue and got to the crux of it and the community was at peace in that sense. for tonight, these protests have been more about trust within our police department. regaining the trust within our community. really building those relationships and bridges. to our leaders, if you are serious about doing that, than do it because your community is here. your community needs you, as the leaders, to lead us, not just to protect those that you want to. >> toussaint, i think what you have done last couple of nights

is extraordinary. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. take care. a suspect charged in the shooting death two nights ago during the charlotte protest. the victim justin carr was 26 years old. i will talk to his mom an brother after a short break and tell you the latest on what we know about the person accused of shooting him. we continue to watch the protests in atlanta and charlotte. we will be right back.

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brian todd is on the streets in lane. are things pretty calm tonight? so far so good, anderson. peaceful protest going on here. march started a half hour ago. estimating 200 people in the crowd here marching down the street in charlotte. very spirited as it was last night recuring theme on the streets they want the tapes

released. they were chanting it a couple of minutes ago. they have signs to that effect. they are really in to that message tonight. they do not trust the police. they do not trust police of the lamont scott shooting and they want those videotapes released. see if they have come down this street. you want to say something? >> they do not care about us. >> thank you. >> anderson, we thought they were going to make a turn. now they are going down this way. again, a lot of distrust of the police on the streets tonight because of the issue of the police not releasing those videotapes. >> brian todd, we will check in with you shortly. a 21-year-old suspect has been charged in the fatal shooting during the second night of the protests. he is accused of shoothing 26-year-old justin carr who died of his injuries.

witnesses have given conflicting accounts of what they saw. bystanders tried to help mr. carr. joining me is justin's mom and kent johnson, his brother. >> vivian, kenneth, i'm so sorry for your loss. what do you want people to know about your son, justin. >> justin was a good fella. he was of course my baby boy and he's also a father. his son is due october 28th he was excited to be a first time dad. he wanted to teach him to play sports. he was a kid with heart. he played all sports. everybody in the neighborhood knew justin and he was one that aggravated everybody, talking, talking. >> he liked to talk. >> when he was younger he was quiet and then when he got to junior high he started to -- he

was a shy kid that didn't talk much but when he got older, 14, 15 that's when the talking started. >> kenneth, how do you want people to remember your brother? >> he was a realist. if there was something in his heart he wasn't afraid to speak about it. he was a walking platform on a number of different things. regardless of the situation that took place here in charlotte, the great city of charlotte, in which we were all raised, justin never had any problems speaking out about any particular situation, cause or anything near and dear to his heart. >> i understand that justin was on his way to work on wednesday evening when he stopped by the protest. did you know he was there? >> yes. he called me and asked me was i coming down. he wanted me to come down with

him but i told him i was still working late and he stopped by to do the protest. i told him i didn't think it was a good idea because it was getting dangerous and he told me it was fine. he said there's nothing going on right now, mom. i'm fine. and he -- i just want to come down here and help out and be a part of the protest. he said, you know his grandmother always told him about the story when she marched for martin luther king. he wanted to tell his granny that he was part of marching, too, to be a legend like she was. that's what really tore her up, hearing about it. knowing he went down to make a stand, too but he didn't make it out. i want everybody to know my son was a good kid. >> the strength you are showing being able to even talk about him in the midst of your grief,

it is extraordinary. >> yes. i know that he died for a cause. >> kenneth, there's been an arrest made. i know there are a lot of unanswered questions about the shooting. there still are. do you have any sense what if any motive there was? do you have any idea? was there a motive do you think? >> we have some -- again, huge remarkable efforts from the city of charlotte. everything that's going on with charlotte has caused a total disarray. as justin would also state had he would have been here, we don't want these reckless acts to diminish the overall image of our great city. in terms of the cause or the motive behind what took place that caused me to lose my youngest brother,s we have a strong investigation underway. we have great support from the

detectives that have contacted us that have constantly been in contact with us since the news was first brought out. in terms of any specifics, no. >> i know you posted on facebook after you learned of justin's death. you wanted everyone who was protesting to do it peacefully. >> that's what he would have wanted, too. >> that's what he would have wanted. what do you want to say to protesters now? >> i want to say to everybody, just be peaceful about it. it is not about looting and killing. it's about making a stand, being peaceful, coming together as a city. everybody knows my facebook posts always end in love, love, love. that's what i taught my son to respect and love everybody. any speculation of what is going on with him and somebody else, i don't want anyone to think that is true. my son was not a bad person. he was not a mean person.

in any way. >> i'm so sorry for your loss. i do appreciate you coming in and talking about justin and telling us about him. thank you. >> you're welcome. >> absolutely. >> strength of the mom who just lost a son and be able to talk about him is extraordinary. one more thing about justin we think you should know he is giving life to others right now. his heart, liver and lungs were delivered to patients in charlotte and ohio. we will look back at what happened in other cases after police videos were made public. also the latest on protests happening in atlanta an charlotte. we'll be right back. ♪

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clinton is planing to go to charlotte one day before she faces donald trump on the debate stage on monday. joe johns is joining me with the latest 0 than. what are you learning about the potential visit? >> among other things, this situation points at the fact that big events like what is going on in charlotte can be a catch 22 for candidates they risk criticism if they go and if they don't go. case and point, no sooner had hillary clinton said she was going and donald trump saying he was considering it than the mayor said thanks, be no thanks. listen.

>> we don't have that sound. essentially what the mayor was saying is both candidates should delay their trips to her city saying this is a stressful time and that resources are limited. hillary clinton tweeted out, calling on the police in charlotte, north carolina, to release the police videotapes of the shooting. the police department responding that, in fact, this is now being looked at by the state bureau of investigation, and they will have the final say on whether to release the video. so why is hillary clinton hitting this so hard? she has talked about police use of force, police use of lethal force repeatedly on the campaign trail, and she's also tried to strike a balance talking about the need to protect first responders. for his part, donald trump has talked quite a bit on the campaign trail about charlotte as an issue of law and order and

the need to protect, among others, the african-americans who live in that city. back to you. >> thank you very much. as we reported, the family released footage of moments before he was killed by police. it is a difficult cell phone video to watch that his wife took. it doesn't offer many final answers. police body cam and dash cam video has not been released. when the video has come out sometimes it told a different story than the police accounts but that's not the only outcome. here's randi kaye and a warning some of the video is disturbing. >> chicago, illinois, october, 2014. teenager shot and killed by a police officer jason van dyke. shot 16 times. the officer claimed he had a knife and refused to drop it. he said mcdonald advanced toward

him. >> we will take the necessary steps to build trust between the police and the residents and communities they serve. >> that may be easier said than done since the video of the shooting released a year after the shooting death tells a different story than the officer's account. it was only released after enormous public pressure and a judge's court order. dash cam video shows the victim with a knife, but walking away from police. before he shot, despite what the officer said what happened, mcdonald never faces van dyke. in the video, the officer fires more than a dozen times after mcdonald was already limp on the ground. the officer was charged with first-degree murder and is awaiting trial. still, the city erupted in protests. ferguson, missouri, august 2014, michael brown is shot and killed by a white ferguson police

officer. after a scuffle in the police car, the officer said brown charged him but eyewitnesses disputed that. violent protests broke out. minutes before brown was shot dead, police say he stole cigarettes from a convenient store. ferguson's police chief released video of the robbery and then made this stunning comment. >> the initial contact between the officer and mr. brown was not related to the robbery. walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic. that was it. >> that fuelled the anger. protesters blamed police for releasing the video only to make michael brown look like a criminal, especially when the officer may not have been aware of the rbry. in the end, a grand jury chose not to indict officer darin wilson and now this, tulsa, oklahoma, just last week. >> he's got his hands up now. >> terence crutcher an unarmed

black man with his hands in the aair. >> this guy is still walking and following commands. >> reporter: suddenly shot and killed by police. officer betty shelby said the victim reached inside of his car window for what she feared was a gun. authorities released video from a police chopper and cruiser dash cams. the video shows crutcher walking away with his hands up, but because of the angle, it's impossible to see if he reached in his car or the moments he was shot. the man's family says his window was rolled up. the officer has now been charged with manslaughter. police say they released the video to help to keep the peace. >> we will not cover anything up. that's not in our dna. >> they are hoping transparency with the community pays off. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> former lapd officer david clinger is with me again.

and joining the conversation is attorney. david, you advocate for the public to wait for the evidence and not jump to conclusions. the police statements don't match what the video shows. you certainly hear the argument about releasing video sooner rather than later. >> i agree they should be released. the chicago situation was abominable. you had a mayor who was running for re-election and he was interested in trying to win that election. from my perspective, he didn't want this to come out and he tried to bury it. it's a politician who made that decision. my argument about the timing of the release of the video is very simple, once the investigators have buttoned down all of their initial interviews of all of the witnesses and perhaps the followups, because you may want

to go back and get followup interviews to clear up things that you identified in the initial interviews after you compared them. that's the time to go ahead and release the videos. it makes no sense to wait for a year but it may make sense to wait a week or two. we don't know what is going on behind the scenes of the investigation. i'm asking people to wait until the investigator steps are taken to make sure no witness will have access to another witness or the video and then release it and i may add if the police do not follow protocol and you get contaminated statements that offers the defense attorney a huge opportunity to go ahead and dismiss the entire investigation from that one part. let's wait until we have it. >> where do you stand on this? >> i mean, i think first and foremost what is incomplete about mr. clinger's analysis is there is one witness statement

that cannot be gotten by police, because that witness is dead. in these instances we always have this let's make sure we preserve, protect, but who's actually going to give the truth to the people who deserve it? who's going to give the truth to the families? in this instance people want justice. they just want to know what happened. the public import in this instance outweighs some 0 protection of individuals whom government may want to protect. i think it is right to call on the mayor and chief of police who have shown layers of incompetence and lost at sea in charlotte to release the video so we understand what happened. at the end of the day, anderson, all we want is justice. that dead man can't speak. so to mr. clinger's point you are never going to have a complete investigation. >> there is such distrust in a lot of communities toward police, particularly from people of color, as we saw in ferguson and randi kaye's piece, there

was a lot of outrage police releasing it . >> people forget that the police work for us. we pay our taxes. we pay their salaries. they are supposed to be here to serve and protect us. they are not my father, anderson, was a police officer for 25 years. and he actually had to kill somebody on the job one time. and so i've seen all the points of view on this, in terms of police conduct, good conduct, and misconduct. and what you see is that you have a scenario where you have certain communities that are under a police state, where the rights of the officer are protected, almost always at the expense of the general public. you cannot operate a democracy in that way. it is not going to work. so this distrust is correctly

placed. it's due to extensive, extensive misconduct. officers thinking they are above the law. and if this doesn't change, it's only going to get worse. and it may hit a tipping point. we've got to be real careful. >> we've got to take a quick break. we'll continue the discussion later on. we're going to -- we'll be right back. what i love most about tempur-pedic mattresses is that they contour to your body. it keeps us comfortable and asleep at night. (vo) soft, firm, or hybrid... our three collections pair up to create the perfect bed for two. there's more than one tempur-pedic. [ala♪m beeping] ♪ ♪ the highly advanced audi a4. ♪

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the family of keith scott, who was fatally shot by police on tuesday, released video that his wife took. they released the video in the name of truth and transparency and it's just one step in their quest to find the truth. back with david klinger, bakari sellers, and joyce watkins. david, i wonder how much of a difference that it makes that the officer who shot keith scott was african-american. i wonder what difference it could make, if any, on the investigation or the public's response. into i don't know t-- >> i really don't know. one of the calls for reform, when i got into law enforcement years ago was to increase diversity. so now we have increased diversity, but we still have the issue. so i don't know if the race of the shooter will matter in this issue. i have no clue. >> bakari, what do you think? in the death by police shootings that have caused probably some of the biggest controversies,

the biggest outrage, the officer has almost always been white, not black, as he is in this case. >> well, i think it matters about the victim, and what we've seen is the trend of these victims being african-american males. you know, somebody's going to have to ask this officer why there were four officers around with their guns pointed out, and he was the only one who fired the shot. if you look down in charleston, one of the things that stuck out to me, not only did michael slager need to be indicted, but you also needed to indict his african-american partner who was there and signed off on a false incident report. i don't think it matters. what matters to me is these victims. the video should have been released a along time. dashes -- a long time ago. the community wants to see it. and until that happens, anderson, we're going to have people out here who are still fighting for justice and thirsting for leadership. >> the other side of this, there are leaks coming out of the police department about fingerprints, mr. scott's fingerprints on the gun and other evidence that they say was

found. that's being leaked out. and i guess that adds to the mistrust of people who say, well, if there are selective leaks, why shouldn't all the evidence, all the video be out there? >> well, i think that's a great point. i mean, the truth is supposed to set you free. i think there should always be room for the truth in these conversations. you know, every shooting is different, every situation need to be accounted for. but what i think is really important to understand, anderson, as well, is that when people are protesting individual shootings, they're not just protesting that incident. they're protesting decades of community neglect, where drugs and guns replace jobs and education. they're protesting 40 years of extreme police violence toward people of color. they're protesting the fact that there are entire communities that have been neglected by politicians, democrats and republicans alike, who never really came to check on these communities. so, you know, at the end of the day, i hope that people will see that this goes far deeper than just one incident. the incident is the trigger, but

there are a lot of issues that we as a country have refused to deal with. >> joyce watkins, bakari sellers, david klinger, thank you. we have much more ahead in our second hour of "360." i'll talk to the mayor of charlotte about the video that the family released today and how it's different from what she has already seen on those police videos that have not been released.

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