and i want to reassure our allies in japan and south korea and elsewhere, that we have mutual defense treaties and we will honor them. it is essential that america's word be good. and so i know that this campaign has caused some questioning and some worries on the part of many leaders across the globe. i've talked with a number of them. but i want to -- on behalf of myself, and i think on behalf of a majority of the american people say that our word is good. it's also important that we look at the entire global situation. there's no doubt that we have other problems with iran, but personally, i'd rather deal with the other problems having put that lid on their nuclear program than still to be facing that. and donald never tells you what he would do. would he have started a war?

would he have bombed iran? if he's going to criticize a deal that has been very successful in giving us access to iranian facilities that we never had before, then he should tell us what his alternative would be. but it's like his plan to defeat isis. he says it's a secret plan, but the only secret is, that he has no plan. so we need to be more precise in how we talk about these issues, people around the world follow our presidential campaigns so closely, trying to get hints about what we will do? can they rely on us? are we going to lead the world with strength and in accordance with our values, that's what i intend to do. i intend to be a leader of our country that people can count on. both here at home and around the world. to make decisions that will further peace and prosperity. but also stand up to bullies, whether they're abroad or at

home. we cannot let those who would try to destable the world to interfere with american interests and security, given any opportunities at all. >> your two minutes is expired. >> one thing i would like to say. >> very quickly. >> i will tell you that hillary will go to her website and read all about how to defeat isis. she could have defeated by never having it get going in the first place. right now it's getting tougher and tougher to defeat them, they're in more and more places, more and more states, more and more nations. >> mr. trump. >> as far as japan is concerned, i want to help all of our allies, but we are losing billions and billions of dollars, we cannot be the policemen of the world, we cannot protect countries all over the world. where they're not paying us what we need. >> we have just a few final questions -- >> she doesn't say that, because she doesn't have any business

ability. you have to have some basic ability. sadly she doesn't have that. all of the things she's talking about could have been taken care of during the last ten years let's say, while she had great power. they weren't taken care of. if if she ever wins this race, they won't be. >> this year, secretary clinton became the first woman nominated for president by a major party. she doesn't have a presidential look. she's standing here right now. what did you mean by that? >> she doesn't have the look, the stamina. i said she doesn't have the stamina. and i don't believe she does have the stamina. to be president of this country, you need tremendous stamina. >> the quote was -- >> wait a minute, you asked me a question. you have to be able to negotiate our trade deals. you have to be able to negotiate. that's right, with japan, with saudi arabia, i mean, could you imagine, we're defending saudi arabia, and with all of the money they have, we're deened

iffing them, and they're not paying. all you have to do is speak to them. you have so many different things you have to be able to do, and i don't believe that hillary has the stamina. >> let's let her respond. >> well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a peace deal, a cease-fire, a release of dissidents an opening of new opportunities and nations around the world, or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee, he can talk to me about stamina. >> the world -- let me tell you, let me tell you, hillary has experience, but it's bad experience. we have made so many bad deals during the last -- she's got experience, that i agree. but it's bad, bad experience. whether it's the iran deal that you're so in love with, where we gave them $150 billion back. whether it's the iran deal,

whether it's anything you can -- name -- you almost can't name a good deal, i agree. i agree, she's got experience, but it's bad experience. this country can't afford to have another four years of that experience. >> we are at the final question. >> well, one thing. >> very quickly. >> lester, he tried to switch from looks to stamina. but this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs. and someone who has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers. women don't deserve equal pay unless they do as good a job as men. and one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest, he loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them. and he called this woman miss piggy. then he called her miss

housekeeping, because she was latina. donald, she has a name. >> where did you find this. >> her name is -- >> where did you find this. >> she has become a u.s. citizen, and you can bet she's going to vote this november. >> okay, good. let me just tell you. >> mr. trump, ten seconds. >> hillary is hitting me with tremendous commercials, some of it said in entertainment, somebody who's been very vicious to me, rosie o'donnell, i said very tough things to her, and i think everybody would agree she deserves it, and nobody feels sorry for her. i was going to say something extremely rough to hillary, to her family, and i said to myself, i can't do it. i just can't do it. it's inappropriate. it's not nice, but she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads on me, many of which are absolutely untrue. they're untrue and they're misrepresentations, and i will tell you this, lester, it's not

nice and i don't deserve that. but it's certainly not a nice thing that she's done. it's hundreds of millions of ads, and the only gratifying thing is, i saw the polls come in today, and with all of that money -- >> we have to move on to the final. >> $200 million is spent. i'm either winning or tied and i have spent practically nothing. >> one of you will not win this election. my final question, are you willing to accept the outcome as the will of the voters? >> i support our democracy. and sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. but i certainly will support the outcome of this election, and i know donald's trying very hard to plant doubts about it, but i hope the people out there understand, this election's really up to you. it's not about us. so much as it is about you, and your families and the kind of country and future you want. so i sure hope you will get out and vote as though your future

depended on it, because i think it does. >> mr. trump, very quickly. will you accept the outcome of the will of the voters. >> i want to make america great again. we're losing our jobs, people are pouring into our country. the other day, we were deporting 800 people, perhaps they passed the wrong button or it was corruption, these people we were going to deport for good reason ended up becoming citizens. and it was 800, and now it turns out it might be 1800, and they don't even know. >> will you accept the outcome of the election zbh i want to make america great again. i will be able to do it, i don't believe hillary will. the answer is, if she wins, i will absolutely support her. >> that is going to do it for us. we covered a lot of ground, not everything as i expected we wouldn't. the next presidential debates are scheduled for october 9th at

washington university in it st. louis, and october 19th at the university of nevada, las vegas. the conversation will continue. a reminder, the vice presidential debate is scheduled for october 4th in farmville, virginia, my thanks to hillary clinton and to donald trump and to hofstra university for hosting us, good night, earn. >> as anticipated a highly contentious debate between donald trump and hillary clinton, clearly living up to the billing at times, very contentious, full of interruptions, on some of the most important issues, it got very personal very very quickly. jake tapper, your thoughts. >> i thought -- let me say the nice things first, i thought that donald trump at the beginning of the debate when he stuck with his broad themes that politicians have gotten us into the place we're in, that the

trade deals are bad, that we're losing here, we're losing there, and why would you trust someone who's been there for 30 years, i thought the first 20 minutes, half an hour of the debate, he was really doing well. the other hour plus of the debate, not so much. i thought that he took the bait every time hillary clinton tried to tempt him into going off message and talking about something, he really shouldn't have been spending too much time talking about. he took it every time. he went into the weeds on issues about whether or not he opposed the war in iraq, he was talking about private conversations he had with a cable news host on a different channel. there were so many many different things when he took the debate. i thought her last hour was very strong. >> dana, what about you, what were your reactions, did these two candidates achieve what they had hoped? >> well, you know, it's unclear, i'll tell knew doing some reporting and talking to the trump campaign.

they feel that he got across his simple, decollartive messages about what his whole campaign has been about, he's an outsider, she's an insider, yes, she has the experience. but that experience has not gotten far enough, and hasn't gotten people far enough, who are still hurting in this country. they're trying to take the big picture on that. as far as hillary clinton's campaign, wolf, they feel very good, that they poked some holes in his central theme and his central attempt to engage successful attempt to engage with so many working class voters, which is that maybe he's not what you think. he doesn't pay potentially federal taxes like you have top p he doesn't play by the same rules that you do. and, of course, the birther issue, they feel that they really got him on without a real

explanation for why he all of a sudden after five years, since the president has released his birth certificate, suddenly says, okay, fine, he was born in the united states, didn't really give a real answer on that. on the hillary clinton side, they feel that she drove the conversation for a lot of this debate. and as jake said, that donald trump was on the defensive. >> john king, thoughts on this debate? >> if you're a trump supporter, you liked him making the case about jobs, trade deals. blaming hillary clinton. if you're a clinton supporter, i don't think she lost any support to donald trump. she has to win some people back from the libertarian party, and there's a swath of people that are undecided. i think on the birther issue, denying climate change on the women's issues, to jake's point, he took the bait on some of the issues, the clinton campaign

believes will help them with independent and soft moderate republicans who they hope to pick up in the suburbs. at the beginning of the debate, trump came in, he wanted to make the case, she can't solve these problems. as it went on and she was using his own words against him. learning the lessons of all that videotape she watched. she watched all the video of the republican primary, when you quote his words back to him he gets scornful. he took the debate on the attacks. >> he was strong in the beginning when he was talking about trade deals. he seemed like somebody that cared about the issue, he named states that had hurt the neighborhoods, hurt the manufacturing base, ohio, pennsylvania, et cetera. and she did seem like somebody who was defernding the status quo. that was the first 20 minutes to half an hour. the rest of it, she showed more of a mastery of issues, a more

new answered take on things. it really was unbelievable, john and i were sitting here talking about it, she would say something, just to dangle out a piece of meat in front of a rabid wolf, and he would go for it every single time. completely off message. he listed every single time he. even times he didn't argue against going toed war in iraq, he did a neil cavuto interview. what are you doing this? >> well, this has been a trademark issue on the campaign. on the issues he can't answer. there's no record of him opposing the iraq war. lester holt was not lying. there was no record. >> he provided no contrary facts, none, not one. >> he had times throughout this campaign, has had a casual relationship with the truth. we get into the printed fact checks, which i know was busy at work right now, in terms of the statements that were clearly whoppers, he will have -- there

will be more on his list than hers without a doubt. >> there were some discussions on important issues, she clearly managed to get under his skin, and he reacted as donald trump would react. >> he could have talked more about the e-mail scandal, but -- then about his own taxes. he did for a little bit, he did a paragraph on the e-mail scandal, he kept on talking about his taxes. even at one point, she said something like maybe you didn't pay any taxes. he said, that's smart. and then he said something about the $20 trillion national debt. and she made some crack about, oh, well that's because you don't pay your taxes. well, if i did, it would be squandered. he almost seemed to concede her point. >> she came in very well prepared for this debate. >> fascinating debate, i want to get a quick response from everyone on our panel. >> i think -- i agree with jake,

that at the beginning of the debate, when donald trump is on trade, he was on terra firma, then i think he lost control of the debate, and i think hillary clinton controlled the debate. on taxes, on the issue of birther, at the end, this question of stamn ing in a, when these charges of massagenny were raised against him, he started attacking rosie o'donnell, which was the first time she's ever been mentioned in a presidential debate. >> many of the themes that he talked about were things he's brought up in pretty much every debate he's ever been in, or if you've seen his stump speech. >> you know, the -- we heard a lot of people from the trump camp, even some of our friends say let trump be trump. he was trump and it wasn't good for him tonight. he needed to show something more, was to not chase the rabbits down the hole, but add something to people's understanding of his ability to do this job. i think there's a terrible night

for him. she came in, it turns out that prep matters, experience matters and it showed tonight. >> and it literally showed, right? the split screen image of her, standing there pretty firmly, and him sniffling a lot. he was drinking a lot of water, his facial expressions. it was clear, i thought early on that he was rattled, and it showed. there were times that she was just happy to let him go deep four or five layers deep into birtherism, go four or five layers deep into his taxes and just sit there and let it flow, because he was just digging a hole. i mean, in this debate. >> there were times i wondered if if she was making the calculation, do i jump in or do i let this go? >> yeah. she was letting it go. >> he wore on his sleeve before the debate, his lack of preparation, and it caught up with him tonight. i think to david's point, there were some easily managed answers that he blew as a result. one that stands out in my mind. he was asked about the 1973

charges of discrimination in housing, and his reply was to say, i voluntarily settled that suit. the first thing he should have said is, we never discriminated against anyone, and i voluntarily settled that case. >> and in fact, what he also said, plenty of other people were sued as well. there were a lot of real estate companies that were part of the lawsuit. >> there were -- one other, if i might. when you get asked a question, i'm all for law enforcement, but law enforcement is not the answer to a question, how are you going to improve race relations, the first thing you say is not stop and risk, and law enforcement. you talk about the need to build bridges. >> there were two devastating moments, though, and i think they have to be noted. one was the birther discussion, which was an absolute disaster, ending with him after side discussions about patty doyle and blumenthal, he ends up excoriating hillary clinton for

not being kind enough to barack obama, who's her chief supporter. >> let's play part of this exchange, because we have patsy solis doyle here. let's play the exchange. >> simple to say. sydney blumenthal works for the campaign, and close -- very close friend of secretary clinton. and her campaign manager, patty doyle went to -- during the campaign, her campaign against president obama fought very hard, and you can go look it up, and you can check it out. if you look at cnn, this past week, patty sole's doyle, was on wolf blitzer saying this happened, blumenthal sent mcclatchey to kenya to find out about it, they were pressing it very hard. she failed to get the birth

certificate. when i got involved, i didn't fail. i got him to give the birth certificate. >> just listen to what you heard. and clearly as donald just admitted he knew he was going to stand on this debate stage, and lester holt was going to be asking us questions, he tried to put the whole racist birther lie to bed. but it can't be dismissed that easi easily. he has really started his political activity based on this racist lie that our first black president was not an american citizen. >> i feel like woody allen in annie hall, well, i happen to have marshall right here. i happen to have patty doyle right here. >> yes. >> is that what you said on cnn zm. >> no, it is absurd, it is absurd what donald trump just said.

i never sent anyone to kenya to look for his birth certificate. >> what you had said, i just looked at the transcript. >> there was a staffer, you weren't sure she was paid or not. >> here's what happened, there was a volunteer in iowa, in late '07 who forwarded an e-mail -- >> volunteer on the clinton campaign? >> on the clinton campaign. who forwarded an e-mail about obama's heritage saying he was a muslim. we found out about it, i fired him. i called david bluff and apologized, because that's not -- >> from the obama campaign? >> correct, obama's campaign manager. we didn't want to run that kind of campaign. that's called shutting it down ladies and gentlemen. that's not called trafficking it in or promoting it, that's called shutting it down. >> there was an allegation that sydney blumenthal had promoted this story from someone from mcclatchey. >> it's my understanding he denied that, and sydney never

worked for our campaign. >> first of all, let's not get too excited. we have sat on many many nights and said, donald trump has destroyed himself, donald trump is done, and like jason he comes back again. i will say this, the momentum was all in donald trump's direction. and i think hillary clinton inarguably stopped the momentum tonight. and i think that she -- you said earlier, you nailed it, that there needs to be some -- >> i have to jump in, dana bash. >> i'm very happy. >> my question for you is, first of all, it sounds like you admitted that you hadn't paid federal taxes and that that was smart. is that what you meant to say. >> no, i didn't say that at all. i will say this, i hate the way our government spends our taxes. because they are wasting our money. they don't know what they're doing, they're running it so poorly, whether it's spent in

iraq or wherever they're spending it, they are wasting our money. i hate the way our government spends. >> patti solis doyle said she didn't say what you said -- >> i got to see that on wolf blitzer. >> she was explaining what happened because she was there. and she said that she fired a volunteer for saying he was a muslim, not about birtherism. >> why don't you do this, see the reporter from mcclatchey. why don't you speak to sydney blumenthal, he's never going to tell you the truth. take a quick look at what she said to wolf blitzer. >> did you take the bait -- >> i was broad of the fact that i was able to get him to put up his birth certificate and hillary clinton failed. she can't bring it home, i mean, she just can't bring it home, she'll fail with jobs and she'll fail all the way along the line. i think we proved that ton. she failed with getting him to do it, i got hip to do it. i'm proud of that. >> what changed, sir.

>> will you accept the outcome of the election. >> oh, yes, absolutely. >> mr. trump -- >> that's a live look at donald trump -- >> i happen to have the tape of marshall mcclellan here. let's play what patti doyle originally said on wolf blitzer. >> he just tweeted a couple tweets, let me put them on the screen. hillary clinton or her '08 campaign did not start birther movement. i was there. another tweet, i fired the rogue around i called david plouffe to apologize. what does that mean? someone in the campaign, someone who was supporting hillary clinton was trying to promote this so-called birther issue? what happened? >> well, so, we absolutely -- the campaign nor hillary did not start the birther movement period end of the store there. there was a volunteer coordinator, i believe in late

2007, i think in december. one of our volunteer coordinators in one of the counties in iowa -- i don't recall whether they were a paid staffer, but they did forward an e-mail that promoted the conspiracy. >> the birther conspiracy? >> hillary -- >> yeah. hillary made the decision immediately to let that person go. we let that person go. and it was so -- beyond the pale, wolf. so not worthy of the kind of campaign that certainly hillary wanted to run or we as the staff wanted to run, that i called david plouffe who was managing barack obama's campaign in '07 to apologize, and basically say that this is -- was not coming from us. it was a rogue volunteer coordinator, and this was not the campaign we wanted to run. david graciously accepted my apology.

>> so that's the -- what donald trump was referring to. anything more on this, he again brought up sydney blumenthal, your response to that is? >> sydney never worked for us. >> he's hired by the foundation. >> he never worked for our campaign. >> but his larger point is this, the idea of president obama -- it was called the sleaziest moment of the campaign, when hillary clinton went on air and said, barack obama is not a muslim as far as i know. when hillary clinton's campaign circulated a picture of barack obama in native headdress, it was called a dirty trick. this idea that it started with the campaign is truly -- >> i agree with donald trump when he said, let's move on and talk about isis and jobs, it does a zs service to the american -- >> you need to talk about -- >> david -- >> hold on, i feel like i have to bear personal witness to

this, i was there, this was not a big effort that was launched by the clinton campaign, but i also was there in the white house when donald trump pressed this issue for years after, even after the president released his birth certificate. the bigger issue is, do you think it's profitable in a presidential debate for him to be getting into the weeds about patti solis doyle and sydney blumenthal and rosie o'donnell? i don't. >> i think he wants to move on from these issues. he said at the end, let's talk about isis, let's talk about jobs. tonight we saw a real person acting viscerally about things that happened. what you saw on the other side was a scripted politician. instead of being out on the campaign trail for two weeks, was calculating her every single word tonight. and i think donald -- >> there are 320 million real

people in america, but one of these will be president of the united states. >> who would all do better than our all talk no action, sounds good -- >> let me ask you a question, do you not -- and i don't know the answer to this, as president, don't you want somebody who thinks very very very carefully about the words they say, because as president, doesn't the words you say have global impact? potentially policy changing impact around the world? >> sure, of course i want someone who thinks kashlly, i think donald trump does, he reacts the way average people react. that being said -- >> you want an average person in the white house? >> he's not an average person. he created a $10 billion brand. he didn't do that easily. he understands blue collar workers and the middle class far more than hillary clinton. >> in terms of the clinton campaign spreading rumors that barack obama was the other, i want to read the first line from

a news story. it says, a former personal aide to united states president barack obama said monday that false rumors he was a muslim were moved along by hillary clinton's staffers in 2008. and they're talking about -- >> now -- here's the deal, what if i grant you that, i say -- >> you don't have to grant me, grant reggie love. >> i will grant you -- so what, are you saying that donald trump is so feeble minded that he has to follow the leadership of some nobody clinton staffer that -- it's been five years? >> he accused hillary clinton -- >> no, no, no. >> guys -- >> he was his body man. he was the guy who carried his bags and stuff. >> he said he was standing right there. >> he was the campaign manager, let's let him speak. >> let's not get carried away here. the fact of the matter is, donald trump carried this, he

was the chief proponent of this argument for years until last week. i agree with you, let's move on, i don't think he did himself a service tonight. that's the point. >> overall -- >> i think it was very exciting overall. dana, i thought the outset was great, you walk on, you don't know exactly what to expect. based on all of the online polls, we did tremendously well. >> we haven't had a real poll yet. >> yeah, i mean, but the online polls were fantastic. hundreds of thousands of people are calling in and voting, you have 80 and 90%, you sort of get it. >> anything you wish you did earn differently? >> no, i'm happy i was able to hold back on the indiscretions with respect to bill clinton. because i have a lot of respect for chelsea clinton, and i didn't want to say what i was going to say -- >> which is -- >> which is i'll tell you maybe at the next debate, i'll say. >> i'm very happy with -- >> what about her big moment

that she clearly moment she thought she had in saying she was preparing for the debate, just like she's preparing to be president. >> well, i think she'd be a poor president, i don't think she'd do the job. we need somebody that's going to be able to do the job, she doesn't have what it takes to make america great again, we'll see how it all goes. you see the polls, you see how it's going. we're going to make america great again. our country is in such trouble, whether it's immigration, jobs being taken, our factories closing up all over the country, our military that's been so sadly depleted. >> did it go better than you thought it was going to go? >> did you feel lost? >> no, i loved it. >> we've had a lot of people saying they think trump did terrib terribly. what is your perspective. >> right out of the gate, he was after her on trade, to the point he hit her so hard, she started to flip-flop on all of this sort of thing. let me just adhere, the trump

campaign put out a list of these tweets, but still in all, there are tweets from significant people in the washington post, the new york times, et cetera, saying that they thought he was doing a terrific job here, my point to you is, whatever we think about the birtherism thing, i don't believe people in america who are looking forward and concerned about their health care, jobs, taxes, et cetera, give a lick about this. >> overall, how do you think trump did? >> i thought he was great, i thought he was great. and he particularly pursued the business of being the outsider, the rebellion against the standard politician. >> gloria? >> on the birther issue, just one thing, it's the predicate on which his political career was based for five years. he rode that issue to national celebrity after the apprentice, and it was part of the issue that -- it was the issue that catapulted him, secondly on the tax issue, i think the problem he had is that when hillary

clinton started talking about it as a bait and switch, not releasing your taxes, et cetera, and she made it very personal, she said that means 0 for troops, 0 for vets, 0 for schools, 0 for health care. and then he said, that makes me smart during the campaign. that he didn't -- >> that's an ad. >> that he didn't pay his taxes. she said, well, what are you trying to hide? i think that that answer resonates with people who say, wait a minute, i'm a chump, i'm paying all this money for schools, vets, et cetera, and when you're president, it's different. >> and there was a similar moment where i thought he made a tremendous mistake, the stiffing of the vendors, that's -- >> yeah, that's called business. >> he actually created two ads that you're going to see within 12 hours tonight, which i think was a big mistake. the other thing i thought was important, we keep talking about him as if it he was the only person there.

hillary clinton did some stuff that was really good tonight. can we give her a little bit of credit. she wandered into the thicket of race and handled it really really well. she talked about the criminal justice issues really well, she talked about, you know, the private -- stuff we haven't heard on the stage for a national candidate ever, and she handled that really well. also, i think it was important that to the extent that personality matters, you never saw her get so defensive and that was a part of why i think she was able to continue to care for it. >> she was prepared and he was not. >> well, also, i'm curious to know, your perspective on when donald trump, when the question was about improving race issues in america, and donald trump talked about law and order. i'm wondering how that -- >> he said we all live in hell, black people live in hell. >> he said innercities. >> no, no. >> play it back, he said innercities. >> the question was about race,

it wasn't about urban issues, he talks about black people living in hel. that's not good. then he talks about this law and order thing, he continues to praise and raise this question of stop and frisk, i want to end the mythology right now, that program actually was not effective, burglaries did not go down, robberies did not go down, what it did. if all they had done is taken guns away from drug dealers, people probably would have been happy. what they did is stop thousands of innocent -- >> it was like 90%, i think -- >> african-american or people of color, and also they had no -- they had not done anything wrong. >> what did that do? it actually created this ill will, and then for him to say, he wants more stop and frisk and better relations does not go together. i have to tell you, donald trump has botched an opportunity to reach out to the black community. the african-american community is willing to hear someone speak

to us about his pain. >> what he said tonight was very effective, you're going to hear this kind of talk this time of year, it's an election year, and you're going to hear from hillary clinton all these promises, the same promises she's been making for 30 years. that was a very effective line. she's had 30 years, she's talking the sweet talk now, where are the actions that follow up on the talk. >> at the outset of the night, i said i wondered which of the donald trumps we would see, he who stood on the stage with the mexican president or the individual who later that night was in phoenix at a rally and was vintage trump? i think she predetermined which of the trump's we received tonight. very early on she used the words trumped up, he rooted for the housing crisis and he got a loan from his dad in the first ten or so minutes, at a point when he stressed the fact that he was calling her secretary clinton. i think she pushed his buttons and caused him to become the

individual he didn't want to become, and the split screen was not to his satisfaction. >> and you know, the thing i find -- if i can make a political consultant point. all of this was predictable. we heard jeffrey talk about that exchange between ronald reagan and walter mondale in 1984, when there were questions about reagan's age and capacities. he had that line, i'm not going to take advantage of my opponent's youth and inexperience. that was anticipated. everyone knew some of these issues were going to come up, and yet donald trump was not prepared for it. it's inexplicable to me. it's malpractice. i think ronald reagan was one of the great practitioners of all time. we shouldn't den great him by comparing his performance to donald trump p. >> the 1980 carter/reagan debate

in it cleveland, i'm looking at the paper the day after, carter and reagan trade punches but both on their feet at the bell. each candidate leaves the ring without errors, shortly thereafter the polls went up for ronald reagan, because the american people thought he won it. >> i know why. i'm probably one of the only other people on the platform who's old enough to remember it as you are. his numbers went up, because there was a question about ronald reagan, is he too extreme, is he dangerous? and with his performance, he aswathed people's concerns about him. donald trump had that opportunity tonight, but missed the opportunity. >> my point is, the media reaction was that it was a draw, or that in some cases, i looked and carter had won. it turned out to be the other way. >> listen, we've been wrong about donald trump before. >> that's what i'm trying to find -- >> i look at these polls and look at the people he has yet to persuade. the thing that has been holding

him back, does he have the temperament and does he have the mastery of basic substance to be president? >> i think interesting raising the stamina issue, when she didn't take a drink of water the entire 90 minutes. i drank a couple bottles of water as did he? >> he did the -- the host/moderator raised it, he didn't. >> he fell for it, and he talked about stamina. if he didn't talk about the looks, which was probably smart for him not to, that was offensive. he was sniffling, drinking water, he didn't seem to -- he seemed like he needed a nap near the end. jeffrey and kayla, you are correct. most people probably only watched the first 20 or 30 minutes. in those first 20 or 30 minutes he was very effective. very good on the trade stuff. that is a weak spot for her, it's a big pain point in our party. he got tricked off into this weird bizarre stuff where he

lost his way. let me say one more thing, it was important for her to raise gender, it was important for her to raise it the way she raised it, i think it's important for her to raise the fact that not only does he say insulting things to women, but to women of color. >> i love the way she used his words to say those things about women. she used his words exactly. that was successful for her on the campaign trail. she just laid out everything he has said, and she did that tonight. i think really the bottom line is, qualifications, experience and preparations matter. and it really matters when you're running for president. i think that's what we saw tonight. i loved her line when she said, yes, i did prepare for this debate. and i also prepared to be president of the united states. that was -- >> the one thing she had -- >> i think it's a very very important thing to discuss. i think it went very well. >> sir, there was some confusion about how you answered the

question about paying federal too muches. >> i said i hate the way our government spends our money. they take our money and throw it out the window. whether it's in the middle east or wherever. i hate the way our government spends our money. >> you have paid federal taxes? >> of course i have. >> after this experience? >> this was a great experience for me, i really enjoyed it, we got our point across. she's not going to make america great again. >> the one thing i thought i would see, she's been saying these things for years and nothing ever happens, they never get fixed, it's all talk, no action, it's like, all talk. and she's been saying the things we've been discussing and discussed up on the dias, she's been saying this for years, all it is is talk, and it never happens. >> when you referred to the president as your president, as

opposed to the nation. there was some twitter reaction. >> he's everybody's president. he's the president. >> any estimate on -- >> i think we've lost him on mikes. >> what i was saying is, i wish he is had in places invoked the stories of real people to animate the point she was making, she speaks sometimes in policy terms. >> it was interesting, though, the story she told about her father, she brought back in and tried to use it against trump. >> she mentioned her granddaughter at the beginning. all these problems she was talking about, have human faces across this country. she's met these people and she could have done a better job of bringing them into the discussion. >> one of the criticisms of hillary clinton in august was that she let trump be trump too much, and wasn't more assertive, i did think, you're right, at times she would have been more assertive, she could have gotten in there more, told these

stories, she mentioned her granddaughter, her own father as well. i thought the anecdote at the end about the latina woman who donald trump named mrs. housekeeper, that is something that i never heard. and is disserving, i think the birther thing, to go back to that, the problem with the birther thing, it isn't that it hurts black people's feelings, that's ta it proves to certain people that donald trump was willing to imbrace a racist conspiracy theory to advance his own political agenda. that has all sorts of implications about how he would govern and frame issues. that's the real problem. and she got at that. >> except this it charge being raised by five white guys. it's not a racist theory, it's just a crazy theory. i thought barack obama was born in hawaii, but lots of democrats in 1881 were saying chester

allen arthur was born in canada. >> you guys say that. >> there you go again. >> but then it's about equality and treatment, it's about equality and treatment for presidents and presidential candidates. >> someone should stand up for chester a. arthur. >> first of all, i did not know any of the things that you said until you started educating the country about these other instances. there's a reason for that. it didn't actually matter in those days the way that it matters now. context matters, the same thing you do 100 years from now, if you do it today, it lands differently. the way that this was received and the way it was driven had racial implications, here's what i love about you, you give us these history lessons, part of what you often do is try to normalize things that actually are abnormal. in this situation, the way the president was treated was abnormal. >> no, it's not. >> the birth certificate was produced five years ago, and

he's still on it. >> have you heard about ted cruz and donald trump questioning his eligibility? >> he asked a question of a politician which every citizen has the right to do, donald trump did it. he got the answer. >> the black guy and the -- >> i think we're all overlooking the key moments of tonight's debate, when we saw the prosecution of a politician live before our eyes, when donald trump pushed hillary clinton to the point of basically having to admit, yes, i'm for nato, despite standing up here and saying, i'm against trade deals. i did call south korea a great trade deal and now i'm against all of this. we saw the prosecution of a politician that will play over well with the citizens. >> brianna keeler is standing by. >> i'm here where the chairman of hillary clinton's campaign. john, very clearly you feel confident that hillary clinton won this debate. but i also wonder, what are you planning on seizing on when it comes to what donald trump said

tonight? >> first of all, i think that he came unprepared, he had no real plans for the future. i think the debate on the economy was all ours, i think that she laid out very clear plans about an economy that was built, that focused on the middle class, building the middle class, creating good jobs, creating the support that families need like child care and paid family leave, i think he had nothing to say about it, i think we want to keep running at that, he dug himself deeper by repeating untruths and falsehoods. >> specifically which one. >> if you're cutting an ad, what are you grabbing? >> the fact that he supported the iraq war at the beginning has been fact checked 1,000 times and he keeps telling lies about that, he was dissellbling in his approach. i think his explanation of why he wouldn't release his tax returnings was a low moment for

him. and i think people want to know what is he hiding in those tax returns, and i think we'll continue to press that issue. mostly, we want to talk to the american people about improving their lives, that's the place where there was really a tremendous difference. she had something to say, and he had nothing to say. he was running down the country, he didn't have anything to say about how he's going to improve -- >> donald trump has repeatedly said, and to some effect during this debate, hillary clinton's been in public service for years and years, you repeated this over and over. polls show, voters want change. he was making the case. she's not a candidate of change, are you worried voters agree with him? >> in january, voters are going to get change. there will be a new president in the white house. the question is, what kind of change do we have? do we want to go back to trickle down economics where all the tax breaks go to the wealthy and the middle class gets left in the dust as they did in the great recession? do we want to go back to

punishing women for exercising the reproductive rights? that's the kind of change he's promising. she's promising positive change to get the economy working for the middle class, to deal with the pressing problems that the country is facing, and when it came, i think to the elements on national security, there was one person who looked like, they could assume the role of commander in chief, that was not donald trump. >> anderson, back to you. >> brianna, thanks very much. we want to play a number of the key moments from this debate tonight, we're going to replay the debate at 1:00 a.m., but let's play this -- the discussion they had about judgment. >> i think my strongest asset, may be by far is my temperament, i have a winning temperament, i know how to win, she does not. >> secretary clinton. >> wait. >> the afflcio the other day,

behind the blue screen, i don't know who you were talking to secretary clinton, but you were totally out of control. i said, there's a person with a temperament that's got a problem. >> secretary clinton. >> okay. >> do you think -- it was interesting to see them both in split screen. do you think -- i mean, it clearly -- secretary clinton, maybe is more used to being in a split screen, used to being on camera all the time. she certainly seemed to respond differently than donald trump did in their split screen. did you see that? >> of course she did, she spent two weeks a month away from the american people practicing at a podium. that's what she was doing. what you saw tonight was a perfect mannequin politician as good as they come, versus a real american citizen who took advantage of the american dream. there's a clear differentiation. >> i thought it was interesting

the first time secretary clinton kind of poked him on inheriting $14 million from his father, whatever it is, that clearly bothered him and he actually went back to it, did it surprise you, van, that he was so ensnared in every detail that she would bring up? it seemed like an obvious attempt on her part to do that, and it seemed to work every time. >> donald trump's great strength when he's on, is his ability to stay connected to the american people. to be right there with their pain, their frustration, sometimes to bring out the dark part of it, to be right there, she was able to bait him into worrying about himself. and when he does that, for some people, i think it's great, but most people he's losing the plot and he's losing the country. that's what i think -- he was great at the beginning, but he fatded because of that. >> the big picture question, i love analyzing every one of these answers like everyone else. take a step back and ask, who grew the tent tonight. i don't think he lost any

support. i just don't think he gained any. she stands the prospect of having gained because of that split screen, because she did probably practice, rehearsed and looked more presidential than he, he was volatile in those moments, he was trying to explain he had the temperament, and yet his volatility kept rising. >> no two debate preppers for next debate, if he preps, don't get peevish about your temperament. >> i also think if you take a step back, when i was listening to him, i kept thinking that he sounded more like a real estate guy sometimes when he said, oh, my friends say -- 650 million in leveraged debt is not a lot, and talked about maura lag go in terms of integrating the golf club. talking about the wealthy circles he inhabits rather than a president of the united states, you have to leave your

real estate hat. maybe i didn't pay taxes because you know, real estate taxes you can fiddle with, and that was smart of me, and take it to a presidential level where -- which is where hillary clinton was, when she said, no health care, no veterans benefits, youen did the support all of that. i don't think that transition was obvious at all. >> she was trying to talk to middle class voters out there. she repeatedly went back to that, you talked about -- the term she was trying to get in the vernacular is trumped up, trickle down. i don't think that's going to catch on. she tried it twice. he mentioned the middle class a handful of times, he didn't make a concerted effort. >> yeah, i -- i don't think he did. and he also, i think, just -- i think going in, he was someone who understood television better and was someone who was surro d surrounded by people who understood television like roger ailes, he didn't connect. he looked peevish, he was

looking away from the camera. he's been all around the country meeting people and shaking hands. it didn't seem like that, it seemed like he was on stage by himself defending his business record, not talking about the pain and stories of americans he's met. >> there were some moments, i think we have to give him his due. there are a lot of people who feel economic frustrations, and he articulated them, those moments were few and far between. >> let's check back in with wolf. we'll have more from our panel and more key moments from the debate ahead. both trump and clinton clearly were vying for undecided voters in this election, so how did they do? we have a group of undecided voters in the key battle ground state of florida, they've been watching the debate. let's get to pamela brown in orlando, florida for us. these voters tell you there's a clear winner tonight, what do they say? >> that's right, they say the clear winner is hillary clinton.

18 out of the 20 undecided voters here in this key battleground state of florida, say hillary clinton won. two for donald trump. i want to show the crowd here, and just get a word or a phrase in how you would describe hillary clinton's performance tonight. >> she was very prepared. >> even keeled. >> measured. >> knowledgeable. >> promising. >> predictable. >> you think donald trump won the debate? you thought he had the better performance, why is that? >> it's not that he won the debate, but he did what i expected him to do. and hillary didn't answer any of the questions i have about her. any of the things that i see as troubling as far as voting for her. i know what i know about trump and -- >> so before this debate, we were talking, and you actually -- you actually were leaning more toward donald

trump, but now you're leaning more toward hillary clinton, why is that? >> i think she -- like i said, she was very well prepared. her attitude seemed to be more on the charismatic side, she took more control of the situation, i felt that she owned this debate compared to what donald trump has done in the past. he doesn't seem to be solid in what he -- his material. so i feel that this time around, she was -- she just pretty much had solid information compared to what she's had in the past. >> and i want to go to a bernie sanders supporter here, undecided voter. you wanted to come in here today and hear a populous message during the debate. did you hear that? >> no, i didn't. i felt that's what donald trump needed to do to pick up millennial bernie supporters, at least. i wanted to hear more talk about campaign finance reform which neither of the candidates touched on. which was really disappointing to me. i feel hillary clinton did better in getting a more

progressive message across with talking about clean energy and health care and affordable college. it wasn't enough for me. >> cheryl, you really wanted to hear about the issues tonight, you wanted to learn from these candidates what they're going to do for you, did you hear what you wanted to hear? >> no, i was very disappointed. i don't know what either one of them plans to do toward medical costs which are a huge concern in my life right now. things that affect the single parents. >> wolf, overall in this group, they feel like hillary clinton performed better, she did have more high moments compared to donald trump, back to you, wolf. >> you know, i want to narrow in on one part of this debate that was a deciding factor for these voters, we measured their reactions as the candidates spoke, before we show you that moment, please take a look at the bottom of your screen, men's responses are in green, women in

orange. when the lines go up, that means this group liked what it heard. if lines go down, that means the group didn't like the candidates answer. take a look at that moment. watch this. >> i also have a much better temperament than she has. i have a much better -- >> she spent, let me tell you, she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on an advertising -- you know, they get madison avenue into a room, oh, temperament, let's go after. i think my strongest asset by far is temperament. i have a winning temperament, i know how to win about. >> secretary clinton. >> wait, the afflcio the other day, behind the blue screen, i don't know who you were talking to, secretary clinton. but you were totally out of control. i said, there's a person with a temperament that's got a problem. >> pamela, what about that moment. what about that moment that they

didn't like? >> you know, i was watching the focus group here at the university of central florida, during that moment. a lot of you guys sort of laughed or shrugged i want to know why that was when donald trump said he believes his strongest asset is temperament, why did you react that way? >> because his temperament is horrible. i mean, all that he likes to do is just bad mouth his opponent. what's he going to do in a situation where say a foreign government does something that he doesn't like, is he going to go and push the button? >> but you actually thought that donald trump won this debate? >> well, i'd like to think that he did, because i think that he needs to bring a change to what we've been going through for the last eight years, maybe even before that. it's so political. i think we need to get away from the politics, and get more into

running a country as defensible entity that it is, and be a world leader, if we're not the leader, someone else is going to take over, and so we need to step up and do the job. >> a mix of opinions here with this group, some in this group have decided after watching this debate who they're going to vote for come november. you'll find out about that coming up. wolf? >> pamela, thanks very much. 20 undecided voters in orlando, central florida, a key area, and a key battleground state. 18 of the 20 thought that hillary clinton did a better job. >> i saw in a focus group on a different network, it was 16 for hillary, 6 for donald trump. as we've been discussing all night, i thought his first chunk, first 20 minutes were strong, he was talking about the problems of the american people, he was talking about jobs going overseas, he was talking about

bad trade deals, i thought that was strong, if he kept that up, who knows. in the clip we just played, that was donald trump complaining about negative ads run against him. the american people don't want to hear politicians get up there and complain about how unfair this process is. they want to know, what is this person going to do for me? i felt like donald trump too often during this debate got knocked off what he wants to talk about, and what he came into the spin room to try to talk about, which is politicians can't solve your problems, i can. and these are your problems, trade deals, immigration, et cetera. but when he spends the time litigating his taxes, litigating whether or not the adds being run against him are fair, that's not -- it's not surning that that wouldn't resonate with a bunch of undecided voters in the all important i-4 corridor in the battleground state of florida. that's not what they care about. they care about jobs. some of them were talking about

there wasn't enough discussion about rising health care costs. you can't talk about everything in 98 minutes. if he's taking advice from his advisers, he will be told, i'm quite certain. focus on them, do not try to defernd yourself. >> yeah, and it -- dana, 18 out of 20, that's a pretty impressive number, thought she did a better job than he did. >> it certainly is impressive, and the thing that i find fascinating to your point, jake is that my understanding was that was a big part of donald trump's focus in his unconventional debate prep, sitting around the table talking about policy, talking about approach, and strategy to this debate. meaning, to stay on offense to stay on the things he wants to talk about. he did start to go there on she's just a politician, she's not anybody who has -- >> hold on for one moment. our political director is with

us. you have the results of our poll that was taken in the aftermath of this debate skb i do, and we've done this before, let me just give a few cautionary notes about the poll. it is a poll of debate watchers, in our sample, this is a more clinton friendly audience. those that tuned in tonight was a more clinton friendly audience. so let me give you an example of this, this can't reflect the views of all americans, it's just the views of a sample of people that watched the debate. this sample of debate watchers, 41% democratic, 26% republican, that is about 10 points more democratic, and 2 points less republican than our typical national polls when we do the regular telephone survey of the country. this skews more democratic than a normal poll. and it skews to a hillary clinton audience, keep that in mind as we now will reveal to you who won the debate according to the audience.

overwhelmingly hillary clinton. 62% of the americans who watched the debate tonight said hillary clinton won compared to 27% who said trump won. again, this is of debate watchers and our sample is more democratic than a normal poll. that is an overwhelming victory among the debate watchers we polled for hillary clinton. >> it certainly is. you have some caveats there, there was a huge audience, we don't know how many people were watching, there are estimates as many as 100 million were watching, that's a pretty big sample. >> if that is the audience, there's no doubt about it, i mean, this sample of this poll is 521 registered voters who watched the debate tonight. we have a margin of error about 4 1/2 points in there. just like when we saw in the democratic convention, more democrats watched the democratic convention, more republicans watched the republican convention, this sample skewed more democratic, and perhaps that's representative of overall who watched the debate tonight. >> your reaction, jake? >> i think that probably a lot

of hillary clinton supporters felt really good about this performance tonight, i wouldn't be surprised if many trump supporters liked what we heard, we heard kaley mcen annie say he fought for -- he with have a large percentage of voters who are are either undecided or right now, or at least earlier tonight, were supporting -- thinking of supporting one of the third party candidates. my question is, how do they feel? we heard from a voter in that focus group, that pamela has that sounded to me completely superficially, kind of like a green party supporter, they didn't talk about campaign finance. i'm not surprised that she didn't hear what she wanted to hear. and she's still seemed kind of undecided.

what am i am wondering about, is all those voters who liked what hillary clinton had to say. she was talking about them. >> that's really not only important to find out for us, because that's an important demographic, that is the demographic that hillary clinton's campaign has been suffering the biggest with. the sort of underpinning of the obama coalition, the clinton campaign has been saying pretty candidly that millennials are the ones who they have to get back in the fold, and they haven't been that successful, if this debate helps with that that is going to be a huge huge win for them. even zeroing in that tightly on one demographic. >> you just spoke with donald trump, he was walking around the spin room behind us, he thought he did great in that debate, season the that what he told you? >> he thought he did great, that's what he said. he said he expected to win the online polls, we'll see what he

says about that, but you know the thing about him, the fact that he was here behind us in the spin room, i think it's unprecedented, we were used to itp p. >> very general -- >> we were used to it in the primary debates for him and other candidates to come out and talk. i don't believe hillary clinton ever did. but for him to come out and be his own spinner is kind of remarkable. and it is just a reminder that he is his best arguer, he is his best representative, there's nobody that does it better than him. watching him trail by the people who are supposed to be the spinners in here, the people who run his campaign, his children, other people who normally would be the people who would kind of try to explain the parameters of what happened and try to set the tone going-forward, it was him. >> but i will say, that, i mean,

the other interpretation of it, other than he is his best advocate, is that he didn't get his message out sufficiently in the 98 minutes of debate, so he came here to reprosecute the case, and in fact you heard him more on message back here talking about hillary clinton's been there 30 years, she can't solve our problems, i can solve our problems. you heard him say that more here in the spin room than you did in the last 60 minutes of debate. >> that is true. he was planning on coming here even before the debate started. probably because he knew he had to put a but on everything he was saying. >> i've been coming to these spin rooms after the men shall debates for a while. i don't remember when a presidential nominee, i remember a lot of their top aides, surrogates, coming into the spin room to spin. that's why we call it -- to explain why their candidate did such a great job. do you remember when an actual nominee came in and tried to make the case? >> not in the general election setting. it is usually the candidates

take the 90 minutes or so on stage to do their best, set the narrative after the debate. they leave it to their aids to try to enforce the desired narrative that they want. donald trump -- i wasn't terribly surprised that he did this. this is -- it's part of the whole performance that he had this evening. all this conversation in advance of -- which donald trump would show up, the very same donald trump we've been watching running for president for the last year is the one that showed up, did what he did during the primaries, came in here to make the case for him, i didn't see any adjustment in what he's been doing because he really believes, obviously it's been working. he entered tonight in a tied race. >> except to say that he was -- when you look, he with saw clips earlier tonight of him during the republican primary debates, he was calling his rivals choke artists and basket case and little marco, he was much more restrained that way, and i think he made an illusion to how he

was going to bring up some of the clinton's marital difficulties, but he didn't bring it up. >> he said to me if you're -- >> because chelsea clinton was there, there was some restraint. i'm not saying anyone should be like -- >> he also said he might get to it next time. >> everyone's like, what are you going to say. >> that was just playing the media on that. >> dangling it out there the way trump does. >> the way he tweeted the other night he was going to invite gennifer flowers to sit in the front row. he did leave us with a tease. are you surprised hillary clinton waited in the end to go after him on the whole women issue? >> no. yes, i'm surprised she waited until the end. but again, i'm surprised that he wasn't better prepared for it, instead of getting -- instead of defending the fact that he said really on knox kwlous things to rosie o'donnell because look there are tens of millions of

americans who love rosie o'donnell, it's not like everyone agrees with him that's acceptable. the correct answer is, i was in the entertainment world and i said silly things, let's talk about what's better for women, you or me, and here are the ways i will bring women jobs, i will bring women -- >> that is the way he prepared it just didn't come out that way, he took the bait. coming up, we'll have more results of our exclusive instant poll, debate watchers weigh-in on who would better handle the economy. we'll also have reality checks of some of the most controversial claims tonight. stay with us.

welcome back, we're here at hofstra university. you have any more results from our exclusive poll, people who watched this debate? >> we polled people who watched the debate, and the audience skews a little more democratic than normally our national poll would. these are still really good numbers for hillary clinton, let's look at who won the debate. 62% of the people who watched the debate in our poll, said hillary clinton won the debate. 27% said donald trump watched the debate. this is a debate -- won the debate. this is of debate watchers. take a look at the economy,

hillary clinton edges donald trump on the economy. that is a close contest, we have seen in polls all around, it's been close on who can better handle the economy. remember, this audience that was watching the debate, was a little more pro democratic, a little more pro hillary clinton. a four point edge shows what jake is talking about. it's an issue he's still very much in the hunt on. foreign policy, take a look at this again, overwhelming hillary clinton advantage, 62% say she would better handle foreign policy, compared to 35% of debate watchers who say that about donald trump. >> relatively close on the economy overall. jake, we have a special guest. >> we do. >> one of the stars of the hit tv show "shark tank" and the owner of the dallas mavericks and so much more, mark cuban. >> thanks for having me. >> obviously, you were given a front row seat by the hillary clinton campaign, you're a high profile supporter, one of the

reasons it seemed you were given this seat was to kind of psych out donald trump. >> i have a 12-year-old daughter who just had a 13th birthday, i wanted to bring her to the debate. the clinton campaign reached out and said we had two tickets available. when i got word of that, i decided to tweet, i'm going to the debate, but i added, they didn't commit to me for front row seats. i added front row seats, i thought he might take the bait. hook, line and sinker. >> were you surprised he took hillary clinton's bait as often as he did? i thought he had a strong half hour, and then just every single bait she threw out there. >> he talks about being a counter puncher, none of his punches seemed to land, they were short and he got flustered and he got combative, and then it got worse. >> what did you think? did you think he had any strong moments. >> i think a little bit on the

economy, he had some zingers he felt confident in, but there are a lot of questions he just didn't answer. we're still waiting for the answer on what he's going to do about domestic terrorism. and then he stepped on himself, so at the beginning, hillary set him up where she talked about the architect who never got paid. then we got to the issue of, you know, global peace, deterrents, national security. he talked about not honoring our treaties if they don't pay. right? and here's a guy who's saying, maybe if i don't like the job you're doing, i'm not going to pay you, which translates into, if i don't like what japan's doing, we're not going to live up to our obligation. she jumped on him about it. >> you said you were going to be in the front row and you made it happen. being there, did you make eye contact with him. you wanted to be the taunter? >> no, i wanted to do the exact opposite. the whole beginning i wasn't looking at him at all. i was spending more time looking

at rudy giuliani and the trumps. i wanted to come to this debate because it's a historic event. i didn't want to give anybody any excuses, i didn't want to be the center of attention. this is too important. it's just when he took the bait after my tweet, it just kind of steam rolled from there. >> did he acknowledge you at all? >> no. >> you've known donald trump for a long time, right? >> since about 1999? >> you've been friendly with him? >> off and on. i'd never say we were friends, we've interacted businesswise. there was a time i support ed him. i thought he was the best thing to happen to politics in a long time, he spoke what was on his mind and it wasn't rehearsed. i also said to him personally, i didn't say anything that i didn't tell him personally. at some point he was going to have to understand the issues, and invest time to learn. i would send him links to books. that's just not his thing.

>> we want to go back to jim acosta, he has a special guest. who are you with? >> kelly ann conway, the campaign manager for donald trump. thanks for being with us. let me ask you, do you feel comfortable with the way your candidate prepared for this debate? was he prepared for tonight's debate? >> yes, he was prepared. i think that showed -- particularly when he was answering questions that are relevant to every day american lives, like on trade, he would renegotiate reunfair, bad trade deals. they don't benefit workers. when he's talking about stimulating the economy, hillary clinton doesn't deny the fact that she's going to tax people. his plan would create 25 million new jobs and bring tax relief across the board, so would his child care and elder care plan. it's meant to benefit all. i thought he had strong moments, he was talking about the vacuum

that was left by president obama and secretary clinton, the vacuum they left in iraq really gave us the birth of ice ice. we know when people think about radical islamic terrorism, they think of isis. >> let me ask you that question, . >> all of you keep saying because he was on the radio and this is the exchange. howard stern says should we invade iraq? yeah, i guess so. >> he could have said i'm against the war. >> that's talking to a friend in a nonprofessional account. that versus hillary clinton who proudly as the united states senator walked down into the well of senate and cast her vote in favor of the war? >> do you feel the debate was handled properly by the moderator? do you agree with the topics and the questions asked?

are you calling into question the way the debate was handled? >> i thought lester holt did a great job under tough circumstances. the clash to the titans on the stage. there are many issues that did not get covered. i was glad mr. trump raised the e-mails. >> you're not questioning his handling of the job. >> i said he did a great job. i don't need to repeat that. however, i'm glad mr. donald trump raised her e-mails. it wasn't being raised otherwise. mr. trump was cross examined on a few points where mrs. clinton was not, but i think the debate moderators did a great job. >> and did he ever really answer the question why he decided to put this birther issue away? why he changed his mind on whether the president -- >> he said that many times. >> i don't think he answered it tonight. >> he was asked the question three times and gave a press conference on it a week ago friday. >> the press conference was 39 seconds. he said hillary clinton was responsible for the birther issue which is not true.

why did he change his mind? >> her campaign was. he's answered that question. i can repeat the answer, if you want. first of all, the fact that cnn carried the press conference live and thought it was going to be something it was not is not donald trump's fault. nobody said he was going to spend any more than the 39 secs he did on it. you made that up and covered it live. i'm glad you gave press coverage to medal of honor recipients. they deserve recognition, so that's great. he said three things clearly. he said it tonight and that day at the press conference. he said first, it was sydney blumenthal and an iowa volunteer coordinator for hillary clinton that first raised the issue. >> you think it's over? >> donald trump is being a successful businessman in 2008. clinton clinthillary clinton wa against president obama. she had a vicious and nasty election. he answered that question three

times tonight. he has put it behind him. >> thank you. back to you, wolf. >> thank you j jim. coming up the candidates clashed over crime and police tactics. we'll have a reality check on who got it right and more results from the instant poll that's coming up as well. i used to watch this perfect couple. i tell myself not to look. but i look. this woman has gone missing. can you tell me where you were friday night? i went to visit my husband. you mean your ex-husband? that woman was his nanny. i tell myself not to look. but i look. i look. rated r.

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mistakes were made by the candidates at this first debate. tom toreman is standing by. what did you find out? >> trump bought up the issue of crime saying something must be done about it. and he likes the idea of using more stop and frisk tactics. hillary clinton says no way. listen. >> we have to bring back law and order. whether or not in a place like chicago you do stop and frisk which worked well. mayor giuliani is here. it brought the crime rate way down. take the gun away from criminals that shouldn't be having it. >> stop and frisk was found to be unconstitutional, and in part, because it was ineffective. it did not do what it needed to do. >> so who is right about this? we know from 2002 to 2011 in new york city stop and frisk was stepped way up. look at the numbers in 202 0

020 -- 20 02, and crime was going down during that time. however, the decrease in time did not seem to match up with such a dramatic increase here, and just as importantly, out of all the stops in roughly this period of time, more than 5 million stops, guns were found on people far less than 1% of the time. and when stop and frisk stopped, the crime rate generally kept going down, so all of that says that donald trump's climb aboai this is false and hillary clinton's claim about it is true. >> stand by, i want to go to jim sciutto. what did you find out? >> the issue here international trade. donald trump accused hillary clinton of flip-flopping on the transpacific partnership. here's what he had to say tonight. >> you called it the gold standard of trade deals. you said it's the finest deal

you've ever seen. >> no. >> and then you heard what it said about it and all of a sudden you were against it. >> his claim she flip-flopped on it and supported it but verreved after hillary clinton cite sirid it. hillary clinton claimed she only hoped the deal was the gold standard. have a listen. >> the facts are i did say i hoped it would be a good deal, but when it was negotiated. >> not. >> which i was not responsible for, i concluded it wasn't. >> let's look at the facts. as secretary of state, hillary clinton called the tpp the gold standard. here is her saying that in 2012. >> this tpp sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free transparent free trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. >> you heard it there. sets the gold standard.

you'll notice no mention of hoping it's the gold standard. donald trump's accusation is true that hillary clinton flip-flopped on the tpp. go to cnn/realitycheck.com. >> anderson, back to you. we have our panel here to talk about a lot of the key moments from the debate tonight. we're going to replay some of them for you. we've been joined by two new folks in the let's get take take. paul, who is involved in the hillary clinton superpac. what did you make of tonight? >> i thought hillary dismantled him. he started out strong. he was strong on trade, but as the fight went on, she got stronger and stronger. he got weaker and weaker. maybe it was lack of prep on his part. maybe it's just that he doesn't have the depth. but she kept getting stronger, and then she had a 15 th round knockout. she had a secret weapon. he was rude and interrupted her.

i think it matters. i've worked for women and men running against women. it matters. he was thin skinned and mendacious. the split screen was particularly kind to hillary and unkind to trump. hillary has an advantage she was the first lady in arkansas for 20 years. that's a human reaction shot. that's her job. she's used to that, but donald trump has been on tv as a major star for over a decade. he was pouty and god help us, sighed a little bit. at one point he snorted. it was really unkind to him. >> you said there was a knockout at the end. >> alicia machado. before and after the debate, most important to stand up for someone else, not for yourself, hillary, and she did. she stood up far woman that

donald trump called miss piggy. that was a powerful moment. >> we have that exchange. let's play that in case viewers missed it. >> he tried to switch from looks to stamina, but this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs, and dogs, and someone who has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers. >> i never said that. >> who said women don't deserve equal pay unless they do as good a job as men. >> didn't. >> and one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest, he loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them. and he called this woman miss piggy. then he called her miss housekeeping because she was latina. she has a name. her name is alicia machado and

she has become a u.s. citizen, and you can bet she's going to vote this november. >> let me just tell you. >> 10 seconds. >> hillary is hitting me with tremendous commercials. some of it is entertainment. some of it is row sie o'donnell. i said tough things about her. she deserves it and nobody feels sorry for her. you want to know the truth? i was going to say something extremely rough to hillary, to her family, and i said to myself i can't do it. i can't do it. it's inappropriate. it's not nice. but she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads on me, many of which are absolutely untrue. they're untrue, and they're misrepresentations, and i will tell you this, lester, it's not nice, and i don't -- i don't deserve that. >> paul, why did you think that

was a key moment? >> because she was fighting for somebody else, not only for herself. second, that really is beyond the pail what trump said about the woman. third, the voters in play for hillary. there's two groups that are most important. most important, her base. younger people and people of color, she has to excite them. she needs a few go girl moments. that was one of them. and then the second group is college educated white folks who cannot abide a racist. they're republicans. they want to be republicans but they can't abide a racist. >> here's the deal. so it was brilliant because she was able to get young people, latinas and latinos, but his response, down goes frazier. he's staggering, talking about a phantom attack he was going to launch but didn't. >> i can tell you what it would be. it would be let's talk about

waneta broderick, and hillary clinton bullying a woman who was accusing her husband of rape. that was the attack and he didn't want to do it because chelsea clinton was sitting there. >> you know as well as i do, those kinds of attacks don't work for donald trump. they actually outrage more women than they pull over to your side. >> defending a woman -- >> here's what i think is very, very important. when you have a guy like this who has said so many awful things about women, we've talked about class throughout the race because of sanders, the 1%. we talked about race, over and over again, black lives matter, immigration. we have not talked enough about gender. she raised it beautifully. >> let's go to corey lewandows i lewandowski, what did you make of tonight and that moment? >> i think there's a couple of important things. break the debate down to two categories. the first 45 minutes was one

category. he was strong. tpp, issues where he's on the offense. clearly hillary clinton was on the defense on those issues. the second half, the issues you talked about, the birther movement, taxes, a housing discrimination case from 40 years ago. these issues put trump on the defense. this debate was not about an fbi investigation. not once was the clinton foundation mentioned in the 90 minute debate. not once did they bring up e-mails. donald trump brought up the issues. he brought up the issue of tpp, benghazi, fbi investigation. there's the wall street transcripts and hillary clinton talking about the deplorables and what that means for the 14 million people who support donald trump in the primary. none of the issues were discussed. >> is that lester holt's failure in your opinion, or donald trump's for not bringing them up? because hillary clinton seemed to be able to whether she was asked about something, bring up

an issue in her favor. it's clearly a matter of preparation. >> i think lester holt brought up the tax returns. that was a question directed by the moderator to donald trump. there was no question from the moderator regarding the clinton foundation or over an mention that a sit-down conversation took place with the fbi. that's the due diligence to raise the issues in this debate in this presidential cycle. that's donald trump's taxes and hillary clinton lying to the fbi. >> if your candidate was well prepped and donald trump had been well prepped, why wouldn't he in he response to the question of taxes say you want to talk about transparency? what about the clinton foundation? i mean, there's an obvious -- that's an obvious thing. and donald trump could have raised it himself. lester holt was sitting back, and she seemed to take every opportunity to jab at him, but it seems to me that he didn't take every opportunity they

could have to jb at here. >> to be fair, lester raised a court court 40 years ago. >> she raised it. >> let me say this. his reactivity has been a problem throughout this campaign, and one of the things about these debates is it's not just about what people say. it's how they handle pressure, how they handle provocation. people are looking at the folks on the stage, and they're saying one of these people is going to be president of the united states. how are they going to handle provocations in an office in which you can send armies marching and markets tumbling with the way you react and the things you say. the clip paul liked the thing that was appalling wasn't just what she raised. it was how he started honestly whining about how he was treate.

the presidency is tougher than that. >> i don't disagree. hillary clinton has a photographic memory for everything donald trump has to say about a female, but with the fbi says i don't recall, her memory is selective. >> it's great. you should have been in the debate. >> my point is it's amazing how hillary can remember every word donald trump said. >> this is great. >> she can't remember a classified e-mail system. >> i think you're making a better case than donald trump. donald trump had 90 minutes oh stage to make this case. you're blaming the moderator. he had every chance to do it. why do you think he didn't. >> i'm not blaming the moderator. do i think the question as it relates to donald trump and the birther is an issue that the moderator raised should have been put next to an issue hillary clinton should have answer and refused to,

absolutely. >> it was interesting. if he had prepared or done mock debates or something, you can easily switch an answer or you can answer it however you want, given -- i mean, they were lengthy answers. it's a two minute answers. instead of going down a rabbit hole of call sean hannity and the 400 pound blogger, i mean, there were opportunities for him to pivot, and maybe it's a lack of experience and more experienced debater which hillary clinton is and knows how to do it. >> i think david can talk to this better than anybody. the first debate in a presidential cycle isn't the end all be all. let's see what happens. >> what happened after that debate was we prepared differently. we addressed the problems that we had in that debate. the question is will donald trump do that. >> no. >> his approach here failed.

>> john, do you think he'll change in terms of prep? >> i don't know the question to that. people inside his campaign say that it's hard to get him to change and he has his ways and thinks he's right. maybe this would change it. he theys they work for him in the republican primaries. maybe if it doesn't work here, maybe he'll change. i will say this. there were some in the trump camp that came her thinking momentum in the national polls and key battle ground states that he could take control of the race. some saying put the race away. now, that's out there. but they could have taken control, i think that's fair given his momentum. i know what they're saying publicly. that's their job. david said nice things after president obama's first debate. the smart people in the trump campaign are leaving knowing he didn't do that. he made some good points. he did not put the race -- he

did not do anything that's going to increase the speed of the wind at his back. >> i went to the spin room after that debate in denver, and tried with a straight face to tell people what they saw with their own eyes didn't happen. and that's what happens in these spin rooms. that's why donald trump went into the spin room tonight and tried to persuade people that what they saw didn't really happen. what they saw was a pretty decisive night for hillary clinton. >> i have a question for cory. if donald trump came out to the spin room after the debate and he said that he held back, and we were just talking about this with jeff, does this mean given his performance this time, because we know one thing about donald trump which is that he likes to win, and if he's perceived not to win this debate, which i don't think he won this debate, will he then not hold back next time? will we see a donald trump -- >> is the message he received

tonight he needs to hit harder? >> thank you. yes. >> what do you think? >> i think when donald trump is talking about the issues affecting middle america, trade, he's winning. when he put hillary clinton on the defense that she said that the tpp was the gold standard, he is winning. that's what he's going to continue to do is outline her record and talk about the failure of benghazi. it was barely addressed today. the american people haven't forgotten about this issue. >> how think he'll bring up the other stuff? >> what i think and what this campaign taught everybody about donald trump is he's a counter puncher. he responds in kind times ten. >> that's the setup for punching below the belt. that's what we're going to expect. if trump's lesson from this is he needs to be more dirty, he's not as smart as i thought. >> what's the difference? >> listen, he interrupted her dozens of times. >> 26 times in 25 minutes. >> dozens of times, and it takes

an enormous amount of discipline for hillary clinton to absorb that and to be strong but not reactive. >> we have to take a break. we'll continue the discussion. it's an important one. also still ahead, debate watchers weighing in on whether donald trump can handle the presidency. we'll have more. stay with us. tomorrow's the day we'll play something besides video games. every day is a gift especially for people with heart failure. but today there's entresto®- a breakthrough medicine that can help make more tomorrows possible. tomorrow, i want to see teddy bait his first hook. in the largest heart failure study ever, entresto® was proven to help more people stay alive and out of the hospital than a leading heart failure medicine. women who are pregnant must not take entresto®. it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. don't take entresto® with an ace inhibitor or or aliskiren. if you've had angioedema while taking an ace or arb medicine,

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welcome wac. i want to get back to our political director. you're getting more numbers from our exclusive cnn instant poll. >> that's right. we should start with the top line about who won the debate. remember, this is a poll of debate watchers. and the audience watching it skewed a bit more democratic,

but hillary clinton had an overwhelming victory. 62% said she won the debate. 27% said donald trump won the debate. can clinton handle the presidency? we asked debate watchers. here again, an overwhelming victory for hillary clinton. sorry. this one is understanding of the issues. my bad. who was better at understanding the issues? clinton, 68%. trump, 27%. that mirrors the overall victory. now can clinton handle the presidency? 67% said yes. 32% said no of debate watchers. and this is key, folks. can donald trump handle the presidency? this is one of the key questions going into the debate tonight. a majority of debate watchers say no. 55% say he cannot handle the presidency. 43% say that he can. guys, in every single question there's a lot of stuff in this poll to dig into, every single score, hillary clinton formed better. our audience skewed democratic,

but she's overperforming even that skew. >> very good night in this poll. she's going to be happy when she gets the results of this poll. >> absolutely, and i think more broadly, she'll be happy with the results of the night. if this is a referendum on donald trump which is how this election is shaping up to be, given that it is a change election and he represents change and she represents the status quo, so it becomes about is he acceptable? tonight did not help him in that regard. tonight he did not seem to clear that hurdle. he did not seem to put on that presidential debate, the presidential style. and he didn't seem, at least according to these polls to rest any concerns. aside, people still have their doubts. they still wonder, and david earlier you talked about the foreign policy part of the debate and how overwhelmingly she trounced him on that. not so much on the economic message which was very, very close and for a democratic audience, that's telling. but on the foreign policy, and i

think one of the things that was so effective is she talked about things that donald trump had said previously about this iranian ship, about nuclear weapons, about this, and he found himself trying to explain it instead of presenting his own foreign policy agenda. >> clearly all of that preparation she did seems to have paid off. >> it does work. we know from a very different perspective from the questioner's perspective, because when we did the debate in the primary season, it takes a lot of work and preparation to execute it well, but going into this debate, a clinton advisor said to me it's going to be the best of the series of three, and this debate, perhaps, she did well. if viewers think so. the voter think so. but it is the first. and as david axelrod remembers, barack obama did not do so well in his first debate four years ago, and maybe, maybe he will learn a lesson from this.

he, donald trump, to not take the debate. when she says x, y and z about his policies to turn it around and say i don't want to talk about that. let's talk about what i want to talk about. we'll see if he listens. >> and in fact, i know we're about to go back to anderson and his panel, and there's a lot of talk about ronald reagan and how ronald reagan wasn't taken seriously in 1980, and donald trump is in that same mold. in 1984 it was the second debate where ronald reagan gave the line about not wanting to expose his youth and inexperience. the first debate was ha disaste for him. >> let's get a couple more reality checks for him. tom foreman, you have a reality check on taxes. >> some of these were predictable attacks. for example, hillary clinton once again went after donald trump saying why don't you

release your taxes. he said i'm being audited. not a good idea. >> almost every lawyer says you don't release your taxes when you're in an audit. i would so against them if she releases her e-mails. >> the irs made clear there's no p prohibition of releasing them under audit. why won't he release them. >> >> we don't have an answer. the only thing check second down the notion is whether or not the irs is explicitly said you can release your tax returns. and on that front, hillary clinton said something that is true. you can do it. the irs has said so. there's nothing holding back donald trump on that front. wolf? >> all right. stand by. jim sciutto you have a reality check on iraq. >> that's right. donald trump and the iraq war, here's what hillary clinton said tonight on that. have a listen.

>> donald supported the invasion of iraq. >> wrong. >> that is proved over and over again. >> so, hillary clinton's claim, donald trump like clinton, of course, was actually for the iraq invasion before invasion. let's have a look at a facts and look at what he said before the war. on howard stern speaking to stern he asked him if he would support the invasion. he said, quote, yeah, i guess so. i wish the first time it was done correctly. referring back to the gulf war. in march, 200 be an fox news he says it looks like a tremendous success from a military standpoint. just after the invasion. now, a week after that he did tell "the washington post" in his words, the war is a mess, and later in august, 2004, this as things on the ground there getting worse and worse, he asked the question what was the purpose of this whole thing? but that, of course, a number of months after the invasion.

our verdict here was clinton's claim correct that donald trump publicly supported the war and the invasion? we said it was true. a reminder for this and our reality checks go to cnn.com/realitycheck. >> thank you. still ahead the gender gap. how men and women saw tonight's debate differently. we'll hear more from the focus group of undecided voters and find out how this night influenced their vote. ♪

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as we've within talking about hillary clinton and donald trump, they're looking to pick up undecided voters. we are in orlando, florida with a group of undecided voters. pamela, there was a divide between men and women tonight. let's look at one moment from hillary clinton that clearly resonated with women. >> we also have to make the economy fairer. that starts with raising the national minimum wage and also guarantee, finally, equal pay for women's work. >> and another moment where women didn't like what donald trump was saying. >> it's going to be a beautiful thing to watch. companies will come. they will build. they will expand. new companies will start.

and i look very much forward to doing it. we have to renegotiate our trade deals and we have to stop these countries have stealing our companies and our jobs. >> cpamela, what are the women telling you? >> the women in this focus group of 20 undecided voters clearly felt more positive when it came to hillary clinton and trended lower with donald trump. let's find out why. i want to go to katura to find out why clinton clinton's message resonated. >> she was more personable and to the point. she answered the questions. >> did hillary clinton exceed your expectations? >> yes, she did, and i also did not like the way that mr. trump was very condescending and disrespectful by interrupting her when she was supposed to have her time to talk before it was his turn to have his rebuttal. >> did hillary clinton connect with you in a way that she

hasn't done prior to tonight? >> yes. she has. >> all right. thank you so much. i want to come over here to get your reaction from donald trump. what did you think about his performance tonight? >> i thought he was disrespectful in his comments, and especially toward hillary and lester holt as he was asking questions. >> all right. wolf, back to you. >> all right. pamela, some of these voters are telling you this debate helped them decide who they will vote for. what are they saying? >> that's right. in fact, they all came in tonight undecided. some have made up their mind. show of hand for those voting for hillary clinton? all right. four right here. show of hands for those who still have no idea