1980s, economists trashed reagan's tax cuts. they worked. kennedy's tax cuts. >> we wound up with being left with one of the biggest deficits we had. >> one statistic on the 1980s. most of that increased the deficit. 1.7 trillion national debt came from the big military buildup which worked because we won the cold war. the wealth of the nation in the 1980s, debt went up 1.7 trillion. the wealth of the nation went up 17 trillion. >> okay. >> real wages went up. >> let's be clear. this is a guy who said i did smart things to say that i could benefit from a drop in the housing market. >> yeah. >> he is a self-interested man. the key issue here is does he have your interest in mind or does he have his interest in mind? >> gentleman, thank you. >> thank you. >> we're leaving it there. thank you very much for both of your takes on this. we have more coverage including live interviews with clinton's campaign manager and trump's running mate, governor mike pence of indiana. let's get to it.

donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. you know what else i prepared for? to be president. >> she doesn't have the look. she doesn't have the stamina. >> as soon as he travels to 112 countries or even spends 11 hours testifying, he can talk to me about stamina. >> i will bring back jobs. it's going to be a beautiful thing. >> we tried to put the whole racist birther lie to bed. >> i was the one that got him to produce the birth certificate. i think i did a good job. >> why won't he release his tax returns? >> why did she delete 33,000 e-mails? >> i have a feeling by the end of this evening i'm going to be blamed for everything that's ever happened. >> why not? >> why not? yeah, why not? >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> what a night, and now we say

good morning and welcome to your "new day." hillary clinton and donald trump did not disappoint. they're both back on the campaign trail but, wow, we had a big first this presidential debate. it was fiery. there was a lot of conflict. clinton accused trump of racist behavior, had him playing defense much of the time. trump painted clinton as a typical politician calling her years of public service bad experience. >> so who won? a new cnn post today poll shows it was a big night for hillary clinton. clinton's campaign manager will join us live in a few moments. first, let's begin our coverage with cnn's phil mattingly. phil? >> reporter: good morning, alison. if you were one of the millions of viewers watching last night, you'll be forgiven if you weren't so much focused on that as you were the fireworks between the two candidates. >> i have a feeling by the end

of this evening i'm going to be blamed for everything that's ever happened. >> why not. >> why not? yeah, why not? >> reporter: the highly anticipated duel between donald trump and hillary clinton began with an exchanging of pleasantries. >> secretary clinton, yes, is that okay? good. i want you to be very happy. >> reporter: but it didn't take long for the gloves to come off. >> the kind of plan that donald has put forth would be trickle down economics all over again. i call it trumped up trickle down. >> nafta is the worst trade deal maybe ever signed anywhere but certainly ever signed in this country and now you want to approve trans-pacific partnership. >> reporter: trump repeatedly casting clinton as a typical politician while attempting to portray himself as a change agent. >> you've been doing this for 30 years. why are you just thinking about these solutions right now? >> reporter: clinton putting trump on the defensive for much of the debate. baiting gop nominee on his

business record. >> donald was one of the people who rooted for the housing crisis. he said back in 2006, gee, i hope it does collapse because then i can go in and buy some and make some money. well, it did collapse. >> that's called business, by the way. >> 9 million people, 9 million people lost their jobs. >> reporter: challenging him on his refusal to release his tax returns. >> i will release my tax returns against my lawyer's wishes when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted. >> maybe he doesn't want the american people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes. >> that makes me smarter. >> he's paid zero. that means zero for troops, zero for vets, zero for schools or health. >> reporter: trump pouncing on clinton about her use of private e-mail but not dwelling on it. >> i made a mistake using a private e-mail. >> that's for sure. >> and if i had to do it over again, i would obviously do it

differently. >> that was more than a mistake. that was done purposely. >> reporter: and insisting she can't be trusted. >> i have much better judgment than she does. there's no question about that. i also have a much better temperament than she has. >> whew. okay. >> reporter: trump on the defensive over years of false claims that president obama wasn't born in the u.s. >> i think i did a great job and a great service not only for the country but even for the president in getting him to produce his birth certificate. >> secretary clinton. >> reporter: clinton hitting trump hard dubbing his crusade racist. >> he tried to put the whole racist birther lie to bed, but it can't be dismissed that easily. so he has a long record of engaging in racist behavior. and the birther lie was a very hurtful one. >> reporter: debate moderator

lester holt fact checking in real time. trump insisting he did not support the iraq war despite proof that he did. >> i did not support a war in iraq. >> 2002. >> that is a mainstream media nonsense put out by her. >> the record shows otherwise, but why -- >> the record does not show that. the record shows that i'm right. >> reporter: the fiery debate ending on a personal attack of clinton. >> she doesn't have the look. she doesn't have the stamina. i said she doesn't have the stamina, and i don't believe she does have the stamina to be president of this country, you need tremendous stamina. >> as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a peace deal, a cease-fire, a release of dissidents, an opening of new opportunities in nations around the world or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee he can talk to me about stamina. >> hillary has experience but

it's bad experience. >> reporter: but the veteran debater fought back at trump's critiques. >> i think donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate and, yes, i did. and you know what else i prepared for? i prepared to be president, and i think that's a good thing. >> reporter: guys, where there were certainly moments where donald trump was strong last night, for much if not the vast majority of the debate he was on the defensive. a good reason why, think about the wheelhouse issues for donald trump. immigration, attacking hillary clinton on the clip ton foundation, the benghazi terror attacks. one of the survivors of the attacks was in the audience as a guest of donald trump. those are issues that never came up. donald trump didn't bring them up. donald trump didn't attack on those issues, something you can definitely keep an eye on on the debates ahead. they were missing from his repertoire last night. obviously both candidates back on the campaign trail today. swing states. hillary clinton in north carolina, donald trump in

florida. two states both candidates want to desperately win if they want to win in november. >> phil mattingly, good reporting. lessons learned but at what cost. there are a lot of overnight polls but cnn doesn't use those. we did our own poll and it recorded a resounding victory for hillary clinton last night. take a look. 62/27 in the cnn/orc debate poll. you had 62% for her, 27, both of those numbers unusually large for this kind of poll, but you do have to know it does skew slightly in favor of democrats. more of them responded than republicans. that's not unusual when supporters feel like they've won, they're more responsive to the polls. a majority of independents watching deemed clinton the winner as well. >> let's see how the clinton campaign feels this morning. joining us is hillary clinton's campaign manager robby mook. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> what did you think was her best and worst moment last night? >> this debate was a tremendous

opportunity for the voters to look at both candidates on the stage and determine who was prepared to be president of the united states. for hillary in particular, we thought this was a great opportunity for her to talk about the things that she's going to do to make a real difference in people's lives. she got a chance to talk about how she would create jobs, how she would help families afford college, how she would help families afford health care. she doesn't always have unfiltered opportunities to communicate with voters on those issues. >> what opportunity did she miss? >> well, you know, look, i actually wish she had had more opportunity to talk about how she can get this kind of work done. it was raised briefly, but one of the things that i think secretary clinton really stands out on is her ability to bring both parties together to actually achieve these goals. i wish she had had more opportunity to talk about that, talk about climate change and some other issues. we've got two more debates and we'll get them done there. >> one of the things that pundants think that she did not answer adequately or just even satisfactorily that could have been better and was a missed opportunity was when asked about her record, what has she

accomplished in terms of jobs for the past 30 years. so let's play that moment for everyone. >> you've been doing this for 30 years. why are you just thinking about these solutions right now? for 30 years you've been doing it and now you're just starting to think of solutions. >> well, actually -- >> i will bring -- excuse me. i will bring back jobs. you can't bring back jobs. >> well, actually, i have thought about this quite a bit. >> for 30 years. >> and i have -- well, not quite that long. i think my husband did a pretty good job in the 1990s. i think a lot about what worked and how we can make it work again. >> so going to her husband's record, that's not her own record. >> well, you actually heard in the clip you played in chris's earlier segment, she talked about a lot of things she had done, traveling to 112 countries, negotiating a cease-fire in a hot war in the gaza strip. >> should she have had an answer there for what she would do or what she has done. >> she got it there in the end.

look, i think donald trump's record got examined as well. he doubled down on not releasing his taxes. he said it was smart that he didn't pay taxes. so he -- it sounded like he admitted he's paying no taxes and that's why he's not releasing them. he said it was good business to bet on the housing -- the housing crash in 2008 when people lost their homes. he said it was a great opportunity to make a lot of money. you know, and, actually, i'll say one other opportunity that was missed, he talked about all of these jobs going overseas. donald trump outsourced jobs to 13 different companies. >> and hillary clinton didn't drive that home. >> she didn't bring that up but, again, we have two more debates. >> that's what you would counsel her to do differently? >> yeah. look, i think this tax thing is a real problem for trump. to say it's smart to pay no taxes when you are a billionaire, is that really what you want to say to the american people who work hard and pay those taxes themselves? >> pundants this morning are saying that he had a very strong first half an hour, maybe even first hour and then seemed to recede. during that first half an hour

were you nervous that he had the upper hand and she was winning and she was back on her heels? >> you know, i wasn't. on that trade argument he was pretty aggressive but he was interrupting her. we saw him to begin to unwind and come unhinged. as you pointed out, by the end of the debate that temperament that we're all concerned about, that inability to, you know, think clearly and make good judgments, it just came out. i mean, the fact that he went on a long diatribe about the racist birther lie seemed to defend it, you know, he just doesn't have the temperament to be president of the united states. you think about if donald trump were to sit in "the situation room" for an hour and -- or 90 minutes and unwind this way, i mean, i think it was a huge warning sign. i think that's why two to one people think hillary won this debate. >> donald trump said at the end that he was not going to touch a very hot topic and he had made a decision and it was very thinly veiled. everyone assumed that he was

talking about bill clinton's past. here's the moment that he said it. >> i'm very happy that i was able to hold back on the -- you know, on the indiscretions with respect to bill clinton because i have a lot of respect for chelsea clinton and i just didn't want to say what i was going to say. >> which is? >> which is i'll tell you maybe at the next debate. we'll see. >> so at the end of the debate he said that he had intentionally not touched it and then that was with dana bash afterwards where he said maybe i'll bring it up next debate. were you surprised that he didn't go there? >> you know, donald trump is a great reality television star, that's where he -- his career really went to the next step. this is -- it's such an obvious dodge. he spiralled out at the end of the debate and so, of course, he wants to bully. he wants to talk about the supposed indiscretions. the american people want to hear how someone's going to create jobs, how he's going to help them with education and health

care. he had no command of the issues. this is his way of wallpapering that. >> will you have a prepared response? >> i think hillary is ready for anything. she's experienced at these debates. i'm not concerned about that. it's just sad that we can't have an actual discussion about the issues because donald trump doesn't have a command of the issues. >> trump supporters say that they were disappointed that nothing about benghazi was brought up by lester holt, nothing about the clinton foundation was brought up. they felt she got soft pedal treatment. >> nothing came up about donald trump's foundation. the six foot portrait he bought with those charitable dollars. the lawsuits he paid for against his enemies. you know, there's two more debates, lots of time for this to come up but, again, you know, trump wants to talk about anything but the actual issues that people care about and that's because he didn't prepare. he didn't show up ready to talk about the things that matter in people's lives. it's unfortunate. we'll see what he does next.

>> robby mook, thanks for being here. great to talk to you. >> thank you. the big question of course if you're just waking up, who won the debates. we have the key moments that defined this epic showdown. how could what happened last night change what happens in the political polls. our political panel weighs in on that next.

won the debates. hillary clinton had a strategy, put donald trump on defense. make him upset. make him want to defend himself, and it worked.

a cnn poll conducted after the debate had 62% of debate watchers saying clinton won. 27% thought donald trump won. independent voters also thought that hillary clinton won. so does this matter? are we going to see this in the real polls when they start to come out? let's remember mitt romney's first debate performance certainly shook up the 2012 race, right? seemed like president obama slept through it. you remember those criticisms? went from an eight point deficit to a four point lead. let's bring in mark preston and host of cnn smerconish, mike cat smerconish. couple of other races. 2012, it sounds funny, but that's what the take was on obama, he was sluggish. >> right. >> you had that one. in 2008 you had obama versus mccain. this was supposed to be the battle old versus young coming in predebate, 47/42 in favor of obama. he picked up two and mccain lost. you had a four point swing there

effectively. in 2004, kerry and bush. kerry went in there heavily under weighted, 44 to 52. wound up being an eight point swing, plus five, negative three. smerconish, do you think this will be a debate that matters and is reflective in polls? >> i do. i think it matters more than you cited. >> i spent a lot of time. >> very cerebral. you lost me by the third number. seven states are already voting and 1/3 of those who voted in 2012 voted early so i think i get sucked into this sometimes thinking, well, it's five weeks out. what will happen between now and election day november 8th. forget about it. people are casting their ballots right now based on what happened and they're in the vault. you can't get it back once you cast your ballot. so i think that that debate last night was a great significance. >> so tell us who you think won and lost and the best moment. >> well, i think she won the debate. there's a huge whisper down the lane campaign that takes place. we all want to appear

knowledgeable. we want to go to work this morning and have something to say at the water cooler or something to say among family members. i think the fact that the narrative has so quickly taken hold that she won, and i do believe she won, really renow d renowneds to her benefit in way he can't control. she had a strategy. push his button. she used the verbiage of trumped up, the third was he rooted for the housing crisis. he got a loan from his father. it got under his skin. initially he said i'm referring to you as secretary clinton but you could see him getting po'd. her biggest asset, the split screen. she had rehearsed that, she looked presidential. he looked hostile and a bit unhinged at times. that's precisely what she wanted. >> when we talk about this stuff, mark, i have a tendency to dismiss it as tactic. you say, no, this is a test for the candidates of how they'll

deal the crushing pressure of being president of the united states, that's why it matters beyond the actual moment. how so? >> just from the fact when she was able to pivot off and say -- when donald trump said, look, i've been all over the country and you've been off the campaign trail. she said, yes, i have, i was preparing for this debate just like i am going to be prepared to be president. i think that was an important moment. it wasn't a flash moment where folks would be like, wow, i can't believe that just happened, but it was something that showed the differentiating between her and him. he didn't prepare. she clearly did. she had a grasp of the issues, he clearly didn't. and i think that showed last night and that is extremely important. and as michael says, the narrative is important. what happened last night is now going to be discussed for several days right now and that is to her advantage, especially at a time when the wind was at his back and if he came out of this debate really strong last night, then he would have a big advantage in these closing weeks. >> may i add to that? because i wondered if we were getting snookered going into the debate if, in fact, he really

was at the westchester country club eating bacon cheeseburgers but rehearsing. no, he wasn't. it was exactly as advertised. he hadn't rehearsed and it caught up with him. if you get asked a question about race relations, your answer is not law enforcement. i'm he all for law enforcement but the first words out of your mouth when the question is how can we improve race relations is not to talk about stop and frisk and then make it a referendum on that issue. these were all predictable issues that he should have had an answer for. he should have had a better answer for the tax returns. he blew it. when he was given an opportunity to talk about her e-mail and he quickly pivoted. >> you're assuming that he has better answers. what if this is what he believes? that i like paying no taxes. i don't care about giving my fair share. i don't want to talk about healing race. i want to talk about cops and law and order. >> then he needs better answers. those are poor answers. >> got him this far. >> it did get him this far, but that was not a primary debate last night. that was a general election

debate without an audience on which to feed and the one liners that delivered him to get this far are the same lines that will preclude him from going further. >> and yet is it possible that if people just tuned in for the first half an hour or hour that they thought he won because he did have a strong first half hour? >> that would be predicated on the fact that everything that happened in that half hour would be the only thing that's discussed for the next three or four days, and that's not what's going to happen. what happened last night in its totality certainly as momentum grew for her and he really started to crash, i mean, he was crashing last night. he didn't have answers. he wasn't able to fill the two minutes and then those little quips, the interruptions where it looked snarky. it looked like a school yard fight as opposed to a real debate on the issues or fight on the issues. she did the same thing but she did it very presidential. there was a difference there. >> michael, mark, thank you very much. so was donald trump prepared for the debate? did he consider that adequate preparation? how will he change his strategy for the next debate?

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behind the blue screen, i don't know who you were talking to, secretary clinton, but you were totally out of control. i said, there's a person with a temperament that's got a problem. >> secretary clinton? >> whew. okay. >> just a taste of the showdown between donald trump and hillary clinton. the next presidential debate is just 12 days away. so how is the trump strategy going to change between now and then? let's put that to the side because before anything happens with the presidential candidates, you're going to have the vice presidential candidate debate just one week from today. joining us now is indiana governor mike pence, of course the running mate for donald trump. governor, thanks for being with us. >> great to be with you. >> so you are known as a student. you are known as a studier and a worker. one of the criticisms for donald trump last night was he said he wasn't going to prepare and he meant it and it hurt him. will you prepare differently than he did for your debate? >> well, first off, let me say,

i think it was a good debate. i think donald trump had a great night. i think the american people saw in donald trump the kind of leadership and the kind of clarity and candor that's created the tremendous momentum in this campaign. he came right out of the box in that campaign and started talking about jobs, started talking about these disastrous trade deals that have literally cost millions of manufacturing jobs in places like indiana, michigan, and ohio, and pennsylvania. and i think it's that focus and that plain spoken way that he has about him that generates the huge crowds that i'm sure he'll see in florida today. i think it's the reason why this campaign is on a roll, and i think his message last night compared to the scripted message of someone who's been in politics and around politics for the last 30 years was a dramatic contrast. >> what do you think of the cnn poll overnight that had it 62/27 clinton? >> well, i think we'll see lots of different polls on this, but i think it's going to take a

little bit of time and a couple of days for it all to settle in. but i've got to tell you, sitting on the front row last night with my wife at my side and watching this debate unfold, it was -- it was an extraordinary contrast. i mean, it really was change versus the status quo, and hillary clinton with that well scripted presentation that she made essentially said if you like your status quo, you can keep it. donald trump came out with the candor, with the forcefulness. he took command of that stage. he answered the questions, and that in the contrast of kind of an avalanche of personal insults from hillary clinton that must have been designed illicit something from donald trump that they believed to be there but just simply isn't. he showed last night that he's got the leadership qualities and the temperament to be a great president of the united states. >> trade was a big subject for him. when you were in congress you supported deals like the t.p.p. in fact, the t.p.p. itself he

says it's like the worst thing over than nafta ever. how do you wind up being on the same ticket if you believe in something that, by the way, paul ryan and your party's leadership very much in favor of as well. trump says it's the worst thing that's killing us. >> i support free trade, so does donald trump. t.p.p. actually went back after i went back. >> you would support the concept of t.p.p. >> i wrote a letter saying i'm broadly supportive of expanded trade, but then something happened in indiana earlier this year. i got a phone call from a company called carrier that said they were pulling up stakes and taking 1400 good paying jobs out of indiana to mexico. and when i asked them why their first answer was all of our competitors are already in mexico. i mean, donald trump demonstrated last night the focus and frankly the foresight to recognize what a disastrous deal nafta has been. and i wholly agree with donald trump's view about t.p.p. hillary clinton did say, the

fact checkers did clear it up, hillary clinton did say she thought the trans-pacific partnership deal was the gold standard of trade deals. now she's changed her views of that, but donald trump and i both believe what we ought to do is let's expand trade in the asian pacific rim but let's do it one at a time with one country at a time so we can hold them accountable to the promises that they make. and i believe donald trump, he's got the right approach to trade. and first and foremost, it's about putting the american economy and the american worker first. >> his big idea last night, there's no question he scored points on trade, certainly where the american mind is right now. his idea with jobs though and in how to deal with that trade imbalance is i'm going to stop the jobs from leaving in the first place because if you do leave, we're going to basically have a v.a.t., value added tax on anything you want to bring back into the country. you know from your time in congress that there is zero appetite for that kind of tactic. which means you may say it but you'll never do it as president.

criticism? >> i think when he said we will stop companies from leaving in that little two-minute window he made some reference to the unfair trade arrangements between companies importing from mexico and companies in the united states, but that's not our whole plan. donald trump in that speech in detroit laid out an economic plan different from hillary clinton who wants to raise taxes by $1 trillion, increase regulation, expand obama care, continue the war on energy. donald trump laid out a plan to reduce taxes for working families, small businesses, family farms, to lower corporate taxes in this country to 15%, to repeal all of the executive orders of this administration that are stifling jobs, to end the war on coal and repeal obamacare and replace it with the kind of health care reform that will lower the cost of health insurance instead of growing the size of government. hard to get all of that in, but

that's how we're going to keep companies from leaving. we're simply going to make america a better place to do business. that's donald trump's vision. >> do you agree part of the plan is obviously to be full energy inclusive, rekindle the coal industry that's very upsetting to environmentalists and donald trump has said that he doesn't believe in global warming. do you share his feeling that it's a naturally occurring thing, that human beings have nothing to do with it when the scientific community couldn't be more in favor of saying it's human created? >> that was part of the thing last night that there was a reference to a humorous tweet that he put out. >> a lot of tweets going. a lot of tweets where he said that it's a hoax. it's perpetrated by china. look at it, it's cold again. so much for global warming. he evidently does not believe in it. do you share that opinion? >> well, what donald trump said was a hoax is that bureaucrats in washington, d.c., can control the climate of the earth and the reality is that this climate change agenda that barack obama

and hillary clinton want to continue to expand is killing jobs in this country. look, we can develop all the resources in this country. we can end the war on coal and continue to develop clean coal technology. we have the -- one of the most advanced coal burning plants in the united states of america. >> but doesn't it matter to the american voter whether or not the person who's going to be president of the united states and vice president of the united states believe that global warming is manmade? >> well, look, there's no question that -- that -- that the activities that take place in this country and in countries around the world have some impact on the environment and some impact on climate, but donald trump and i say let's follow the science but for heaven's sakes let's not go rushing into the kind of restrictions on our economy that are putting americans out of work and, frankly, are driving jobs out of this country. i thought that's why donald trump had a great night last night, is that while hillary clinton came forward with that well scripted presentation, 30 years in public life, what you

heard from hillary clinton was more of the same. more taxes, more regulation, more the war on american energy, more the kind of agenda that's really stifled american jobs and driven jobs out of this country and you saw in donald trump someone who's ready to take command of this economy, to lower taxes, to grow our economy through the time honored principles that worked under the years of ronald regan and frankly during the years of president john f. kennedy. >> governor pence, thank you for being with us. we look forward to your debate next week. always good to have you on "new day." >> thank you. >> alisyn. chris, we heard what the candidates had to say but what does their body language have to say? what did the people think who tuned in? we'll discuss those next.

you heard the predictions of the record breaking ratings for the debate. those numbers are coming in this morning. also, what did the candidates' body language last night tell us about how they were feeling. let's discuss that with cnn senior media correspondent, host of cnn's "reliable sources" brian stelter and janine driver.

great to have both of you here. are the ratings hot off the presses or do we have to wait? >> from what i've seen so far we're on track to have the highest rated debate. the threshold was 81 million. that was the reagan/carter debate in 1980. there was only one debate. >> you were predicting 85? >> i believe we will top 81 million. the numbers will come in around lunchtime. the overnight do suggest it's the highest rated debate. most tweeted debate ever. millions watching online. >> if you watched with the sound down what you saw. janine, i know that's an exercise that you must do. let's talk about the body language of the candidates. i know you've identified a couple of clips you want to show us. let's start with hillary clinton and what you saw that was positive in her body language. here's a moment she's using her hands, she's speaking there. we've purposefully turned down the sound. what do you see? >> she's doing this a-okay steeple. trump did this as well.

we don't typically see this for hillary. this is the basketball steeple. we used to see columbo do this. you smoke a cigarette? the reason i ask is it's power, authority, confidence. this is the traditional steeple. this could be perceived as arrogant. so power, authority, confidence, likability. she did it a lot last night. >> interesting. you saw some negative body language moments so let's take a look at this. turned the sound down for hillary clinton. give us a moment. what are you seeing here, janine? >> all right. so let's watch hillary. so hillary up close, her lips there briefly, she's looking away from trump. she's swaying a little bit. when we sway and trump sways, when we sway we're getting out stress and anxiety. this is when there's a peek and stress. >> hold their lips in. when we don't like what we see or hear, our lips disappear. >> did you have any problem with the smiling? >> i did have a problem with the

smiling. women are going to tell that it's a fake smile than men. here's the deal. even if you're not happy, if you're coached to smile you begin to send a message to your brain, you're happy. our brain creates a ticker. almost like every time you smile it does a tiblg mark and keeps a scorecard. so she begins to decrease her stress and anxiety. >> by smiling. >> that's fascinating. >> wow. let's look at donald trump's body language. this was one of the positive moments of donald trump. let's look at this. what do you see here, janine. he first comes out he says hello, thank you. >> yeah, right out of the gate i think it was trump's debate in the beginning. if you look, hillary walked to trump's side of the stage. if you go and some people might say maybe that's because she's the powerful person. if you're in a job interview does the person interviewing walk to the door or do you walk to the interviewer? you walk to the person of power. not only that, he's the left of the picture. if i'm shaking your hand he's at the left of picture. he gets the upper hand. he puts her in a beggar's pose.

this is very strategic. then on top of it he pats her on the back which is more power. right out of the gate he looks like the leader. >> thank you for sing gu lating this, brian. >> i was surprised there weren't more issues between the man and the woman. i was expecting more gender dynamics. i didn't see that many instances of it during the debate. >> let's look at one of the negative moments for trump's body language that you think. what's the problem here? >> all right. so trump's taking water sips nonstop. hillary never touched her water once. he took it about four or five times. i do think -- i'm not a doctor, sometimes i play one on television, but i'm not a doctor. i think he might be getting a cold. when you see someone sipping water, it can be a spike of increase stress and anxiety because your mouth gets dry. the point is when he sits is he being attacked in that moment or is it a casual moment. you've got to look when he takes the sips but it could be perceived as nervousness.

>> people heard sniffing. >> it was a trending topic that he was sniffling. he didn't seem to be sniffling as much. >> the other person on stage who we have not talked about, lester holt. so much pressure was on his shoulders. was he going to fact check. was he going to be strong enough? what were your thoughts? >> he's feeling good this morning. nbc is feeling good. he'll be back on "nightly news" tonight. he did as good of a job as possible. there are complaints on the right, conservative media blogs that he was too easy on clinton. the reality was he had to step in more often when trump was misstating the truth because trump made more misstatements. he stated more falsehoods. you can't have 50-50 ee qualities when one candidate lies more than the other. >> we learned a lot. let's get over to chris. let's be looking ahead now to the upcoming debates. >> this -- that's good. >> i'm stressed. stressed. that -- all right. what will hillary clinton and

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iand i could tell that when shen i waslooked at me she didn't see disability. she saw someone strong and capable like i see myself. donald trump doesn't see people like me. he just sees disability. i honestly feel bad for someone with so much hate in his heart. we need a president who sees the best in all of us. i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. one presidential debate now in the books. the next debate is just 12 days away. it will be a town hall moderated by our own anderson cooper and abc news martha radic. the final debate will be on october 19th in las vegas.

not to forget we have the vp debate coming up in a week. >> we have a lot to say about that. >> we have a lot to do with that. joining us now is national correspondent for the atlantic and former chief speech writer for president carter, james fall lo fallows on. >> power. >> what did you see last night in terms of what needs to be repeated by each going forward and what needs to be deleted by each going forward? >> well, i think hillary clinton's -- hillary clinton's campaign has a strange challenge, which is essentially not to get too cocky, not to get too confident and make sure she can continue being as calm and on message as she was. she can focus the preparations. the town hall is a different sort of environment so practice in a different sort of way. for donald trump's team, essentially they have to think, okay, let's start over and see whether it's possible for him actually to prepare. a good example would be president obama. he did very poorly in his first

debate against mitt romney four years ago but then sort of revived himself. the other example would be al gore against george bush. he was very stern and huffy. in the second he was too relaxed. by the third he had sort of the right pitch. it's going to be some moments of self-reflection in the trump campaign. >> well, jim, they think they've won. we've had some of them on this morning. they like that he wasn't programmatic and they like that he was very strong in the first hour. so what -- i mean, you wrote this comprehensive piece about what to look for during the debate last night. what surprised you? >> i guess what surprised and relieved me was that almost everything experts had told me to look for actually came true. for example, that donald trump would have a hard time filling the full two minutes of a policy answer without sort of recycling his stump speeches and that hillary clinton was deathly trying to put in harpoons and pins and see if they would get donald trump's attention, which they generally did. also striking to me that hillary

clinton was aware every second that the split screen was on and that people were watching not just donald trump when he was talking but her as well. so she was holding her face the entire time knowing she was half of the screen. he seemed to be less aware of that. so i think that the idea that you would see this body language and emotional confrontation between two very different kinds of people, that actually came true in real time. each side will say how it turned out, but i think most polls suggested that hillary clinton did more of what she wanted. >> what do you see in terms of advantage and concern by proxy in the vp debate? we just had governor mike pence on, trump's running mate. trump doesn't believe in global warming. he believes it's naturally occurring, not man influence. we just heard from his campaign manager, tweeted about it a ton. pence tried to distract from that. once he couldn't he said on this show that what happens in this country and other countries affects the environment. he does not agree with donald trump. that can be a problem for the ticket, can't it? >> oh, indeed.

this debate should be more of a quote, unquote normal debate because you have two experienced politicians used to talking about policies and don't have the temperamental quirks. tim kaine and mike pence can say you and i agree about global warming and this and that. have these openings where mike pence as senator and governor has taken stands that are now at odds with his own candidate. so that can be a place where, again, he can tweak him, not in the same way as hillary clinton with trump trying to provoke an outburst, but just to have little fissures within the republican coalition. >> looking forward, mid october is the vegas debate. that one is a traditional format like the one we saw last night. the next one at washington university is a town hall setting. that's a completely different skill set. donald trump tends to like to play off the crowd and respond to questions. so that might actually suit his

style more. >> yes, i agree with you. the informality to that. as you say, reading the crowd that has been one of his great strengths through the primary campaign, he can read a room very skillfully, sort of adjust his manner. so i think that will be something to give heart to the trump campaign, to think that they're moving on to terrain that's more friendly to him. also a reason for the clinton campaign to redouble their efforts and not start to coast because it's a place where she is not as much -- she's not -- doesn't have the same kind of natural rapport with the crowds often that donald trump has shown and that her husband has shown. so i think that will be a way that she can bear down and say, okay, here's yet another challenge to meet. >> did you see an aspect of can't teach an old dog new tricks in donald trump last night? that it doesn't matter how much they coach him to avoid the bait or to be more substantive or to be calmer, he is who he is? >> he is who he is. if you're going to tease him about, you know, the end about the beauty pageant things or his

view on the iraq war or his taxes or his settlement of a racism suit, he will not let any one of them go. notice that hillary clinton dispensed in one sentence with the e-mail controversy and then moved on whereas donald trump sort of dragged out each time somebody was sticking a pin in him. he was saying, look, there's this pin in me but it's not here. here's six sentences saying why it's not here. >> james fallows of the atlantic, thank you so much for coming on with all of your impressions. >> thank you. what a night. the race has changed because of the debate. the first time we saw trump and clinton on the same stage. we have so much more to cover on this story. "newsroom" with carol costello will pick it up right after the break. see you tomorrow.

and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. donald trump and hillary clinton return to the campaign trail today even as the smoke clears from last night's first presidential debate. no sooner had the handshake ended, the claws came out, blistering, insults, accusations on the fly. clinton goes on the attack and puts trump on the defensive. today both campaigns claiming victory. trump goes on the attack. the moderator did not ask tough quti