factual accusation put against them, what do they do -- >> not factual. >> -- they attack the messenger. they try to bring people down, discredit the messenger. we saw it all the time. i saw corey do it in that chair with a "newsweek" reporter several weeks ago. it's attack the messenger, demean the messenger. it's what they do when they're backed into a corner, and they're backed into a corner because yet again mr. trump treated women terribly, like they're chattel. >> very quick? >> what does the clinton campaign do when the secret service agent said that we went to -- >> five seconds. >> and she said, bleep off? >> kayleigh, talk about unsubstantiated allegations. >> that is another story. >> a woman said that on anderson cooper. >> you're changing the subject. >> and kayleigh, you're changing the subject. this is in defense of what he did. >> kayleigh, christine, thank you. this debate will continue. i will look forward to hearing what you have to say on twitter @@alysin camarata.

>> almost every single poll had us winning the debate. >> he made it very clear, he didn't prepare for that debate. i did prepare. i prepared to be president of the united states. >> i was holding back. i didn't want to do anything to embarrass her. >> donald, she has a name -- >> where did you find this? >> her name is alicia machado. >> he was really aggressive, really rude. >> she was the winner, she gained a massive amount of weight. it was a real problem. >> i can see the same person that i met 20 years ago. >> he was one of the founding fathers of the state of israel. >> condolences pouring in from all over the world. >> people will remember them with a smile on their face. >> one of the great pleasures to serve my people. >> this is "new day" with chris como and alisyn camerota.

>> welcome to your new day. it's wednesday, 8:00 in the east, and up first, the 2016 race sheeting up. hillary clinton riding high after her debate performance, while donald trump is claiming victory himself, telling supporters he plans to hit his opponent even harder the next time. >> and as you just heard, donald trump is also doubling down on his attacks on that former latina miss universe. the beauty queen is firing back. cnn's sara murray is live in orlando with more. what's the latest, sara? >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. well, i don't think a battle with a beauty queen is quite what donald trump expected to come out of that debate. and while even his supporters acknowledge he may have missed opportunities on that stage, he certainly tried to make up for them on the campaign trail here in florida last night, calling hillary clinton virtually incompetent, as he threw every attack he could think of her way. >> i've been working to get rid of that crooked woman. >> reporter: hillary clinton may have rattled donald trump, but last night the self-proclaimed counterpuncher was ready to throw some jabs. >> hillary clinton, i mean, she

is virtually incompetent. >> reporter: as clinton is riding high off her solid debate performance. >> did anybody see that debate last night? oh, yes! one down, two to go. >> reporter: trump's claiming he didn't unleash his full arsenal against clinton in the first debate. >> i watched her very carefully and i was also holding back. i didn't want to do anything to embarrass her. >> reporter: clinton continues to hit trump hard on failing to release his taxes. >> they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. so -- >> that makes me smart. >> so if not paying taxes makes him smart, what does that make all the rest of us? >> and is using trump's own words against him. >> i've been all over the place. you decided to stay home. >> at one point, he was kind of digging me for spending time off the campaign trail to get prepared. but just trying to keep track of everything he says took a lot of

time and effort. you know what, i did prepare. and i'll tell you something else i prepared for. i prepared to be president of the united states and i think that's good. >> reporter: as trump spent much of the day blaming the debate moderator, and once again complaining about his microphone. >> my microphone was terrible. i think -- i wonder was it set up that way on purpose. >> anybody who complains about the microphone is not having a good night. >> reporter: and making no apologies for body shaming former miss universe, alicia machado. >> she gained a massive amount of weight and it was -- it was a real problem. >> reporter: after clinton pounced on his derogatory comments 20 years ago on the debate stage. >> one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. he called this woman "miss piggy." then he called her "miss housekeeping," because she was latina. >> reporter: the venezuelan actress, now a u.s. citizen, is speaking out. >> no more insults for the

women. i know very well mr. trump and i can see the same person that i met 20 years ago. >> reporter: now, rather than letting this story blow over, perhaps even apologizing, the trump campaign continues to hit back. they put out a statement saying, these are totally baseless and unsubstantiated claims by miss machado, who lobbed a public smear campaign in order to gain notoriety at the expense of mr. trump's name and reputation. and we asked him what the baseless and unsubstantiated parts were of alicia machado's claims. so far, no response on that from the trump campaign. back to you, alisyn. >> sara, thanks so much for that background. let's bring in former director for george w. bush, matt schlapp. how are you? >> i'm fine, how are you? >> i'm doing well. what do you think of donald trump, of this whole issue, of alicia machado being revisited. and once again, donald trump saying her weight was a real

problem for him. he said it yesterday on "fox & friends". >> can i take the politics out of it first, alisyn? >> yeah. >> i think when the clinton campaign has turned this presidential race into donald trump versus some individual american out there, it's probably a smart tactic on their behalf. because then we're not talking about the issues that face the country and the issues of the campaign. and we get into all of these firefights about donald trump and his past or donald trump getting into a fight with someone. so give the clinton campaign some credit for bringing something up at the end of the debate that has us all talking about it. and i think -- but when you look at the politics of this, it underscores her weakness, which is, why can't we talk about what the three things that the american people care about. the economy, fighting islamic terrorism, and trying to fix washington. and i wish hillary clinton would focus on that, but she wants to focus on these other things, because, quite honestly, her negatives are so sky-high, she knows she has to change the topic. >> matt, what about your candidate? don't you wish your candidate could focus on those things? >> yes.

>> he's the one that once again yesterday, on a morning show, he went back to the narrative about alicia machado being overweight. listen to this. >> i know that person. that person was a miss universe person. and she was the worst we ever had. the worst. the absolute worst. she was impossible. and she was a miss universe contestant and ultimately a winner who they had a tremendously difficult time with as miss universe. >> did not know that story. >> well, i didn't know, either. >> she was a -- she was the winner and, you know, she gained a massive amount of weight and it was a real problem. we had a real problem. >> okay. that was on fox news, matt. i don't hear him talking about substantiative issues. >> yeah, alisyn, i agree with your question. i think it would be better if we were to turn back to talk about the issues that face the american people. you know, i watched that debate the other night, i was actually

there on the ground at hofstra and my impression was donald trump gets a lot of credit because when someone asks him a question, he tends to answer it. in politics, you know, we always teach candidates, don't answer every question. talk about what you want to talk about. and in that debate, he actually answers a lot of questions. i think you know that. cnn knows that. he's answered a lot of questions on cnn. >> yeah, so why doesn't he -- matt, that raises the question. since all the advisers tell him, don't, don't get tangled up in these sorts of side issues, yet he always does. what does that tell us about him? >> he's authentic, alisyn! you have to give it to him. he's asked a question, has a strong opinion, and he gives pit and sometimes in that politics, that results in a couple of days of talking about side stories. and i think -- very quickly, i don't think that debate or the talk of this woman is going to change much about the underlying dynamics of this race. i think it's a dead heat race. and i think at the end of the day, american voters aren't

going to pull the lever on things like this. i think the american people are going to pull the lever on the substantiative issues that face this country. and i think that's good. >> yeah, matt, i just have to ask you, because i know your lovely, smart, beautiful hispanic wife, i just have to ask, what does mercedes think about what donald trump said? >> we talked about it last night. let me tell you, throughout this whole very interesting political year, we're often each other's counselor at the end of the day when interesting things happen at the day. her reaction was -- she's in the news business, alisyn, as you are, and it's not uncommon for women and men, but a lot of times women, in the news business and acting business to have actual language in their contracts that their physical appearance has to maintain some kind of standard. people might not like that, but it's in contracts. i'm not going to ask people if it's in their contracts or not, but she understands is that. is it fair or not fair? let's face it, tv, miss universe pageants, movies, it's a lot

about their physical appearance. in my case, thank god i don't have that, because that's not exactly one of my strengths in life. >> hey! don't sell yourself short. >> i don't love that we focus on that. >> don't sell yourself short, matt. >> you're nice. >> was your wife, mercedes didn't see this as an ethnic slur? >> she's insulted by that. no, she's insulted by that. she said, if you're going to run in a miss universe pageant, you have to understand that part of getting that crown is the fact that you're physically attractive. now, come on, let's all be candid here. people who are beautiful get involved in miss universe pageants and part of that is their physical appearance. and this is when it gets to like common sense. people in america having watching pageants for decades and they understand that's a part of it, it's part of the culture. is that a culture my wife has been involved with? no. but you have every right to be involved in that culture if you want. and if you sign a contract, you've got to follow it. >> let's talk about the debate. the polls, the scientific polls, suggest that hillary clinton won. donald trump had a strong first half an hour, and then hillary clinton closed the deal with the rest of the time. but donald trump is not seeing

it that way, today. how did you see the debate? >> i thought he did have a very strong first 30, 35 minutes. i thought his answer on stop and frisk was great. i do think the moderator asked him tougher questions. he got six follow-up questions, hillary clinton got zero follow-up questions. he went right into the question of where obama was born. he went right into the taxes, which are fair questions to ask, but i didn't -- as a partisan republican, i didn't see those kind of tough questions from the moderator directed at hillary clinton. so he had a very strong beginning at the debate. i think at the end of the day, the debate is not going to change the underlying dynamics of this race. most of the online polls and media polls i have looked at, i know cnn is an outlier here, show that he did very well -- >> that's because they're the unscientific polls. those are surveys. those are where anybody can -- they're not vetted, the ones you're talking about and he's talking about. cnn does a scientific poll. >> yeah, i'm not criticizing cnn's poll. all i'm saying is that there were other ways that demonstrate that he did well, with just like in the primary debates.

i mean, alisyn, a lot of my friends in the republican kind of circles washington, d.c. would look at his performance in some of these primary debates and scratch their head and say, he didn't do very well, and then you would see that a lot of online polls show he did do well, and then the polls would actually help him. and i think one thing i saw at the debate on monday is that the number one issue in every poll, including all of cnn's scientific polls is jobs and the economy. and he owned that issue from the beginning to the end. >> okay. >> from the talk of taxes, regulation -- >> yes, not a lot of talk about a plan, but i hear you, matt. you are a good surrogate for him in terms of what you heard at the debate. thank you very much. and thanks for sharing your marital chats with us, also. tell mercedes we said hi. >> don't get me in trouble, okay. >> got it. let's get over to chris. >> it's interesting that matt liked trump's answer on stop and frisk. he said it wasn't found unconstitutional in new york. it was. he said they should use it in chicago. they already do. he said it was the reason that the homicide rate came down in

new york. there's no proof of that. in fact, it continues to be in the right trend without using that exercise. it's interesting that schlapp points that out as a strong point for trump. other news this morning, the man known as israel's crusader for peace, shimon peres, has died. the nobel laureate spent more than half a century in service, serving his president, in charge of the navy, in charge of the idf. he suffered a stroke two years ago and never recovered. cnn's orrin lieberman is outside of the hospital in tel aviv with more. that's a country with a heavy heart this morning, my friend. >> reporter: not just a country with a heavy heart, a world with heavy heart. condolences coming in from all over the world, not only from israeli leaders, but from european leaders and american leaders. let me read you something from president obama. president obama says, a light has gone out, but the hope he gave us will burn forever. shimon peres was a soldier for israel, for the jewish people,

for justice, for peace, and for the belief that we can be true to our best selves, to the very end offer time on earth and in the legacy we leave to others. for the gift of his friendship and the example of his leadership, todah 'rabah, shimon. shimon wasn't always known for being a dove and working towards peace. he started his work as a hawk, but over half a century in public service, his view evolved, and he became the champion of the legacy of building peace, build trust between israelis and palestinians and he worked on that, tirelessly, unapologetically, until his very last day here. in fact, he worked very hard up until he passed away. on the day he had a stroke, he gave an hour speech and posted a facebook video. he worked hard on peace until the very end. alisyn? >> orrin, thank you very much for all of that. another story we're following, this black man was shot and killed by police, this time in the suburbs of san diego. the chief of police claiming that the unidentified suspect

ignored commands and pointed an object of some kind at officers moments before he was gunned down. cnn's paul vercammen is live in san diego county with more. what have you learned, paul? >> reporter: well, alisyn, officers respondented because they got a report of a man who was in the street, walking in the street, and they said she was a danger to himself and to motorists. that's when they responded. and by all accounts, it was his sister who might have made that call, fearing for her brother's safety. and when she arrived on the scene, here's what we heard in this video that was taken here at the spot where this man was found to have died later. let's listen. >> and here's what police are saying about this. they say they are going to be very transparent, but at one point, two officers are

confronting the suspect. they say that he pulls something from his pants pocket and he basically puts both hands on this item and extends it toward the officers. this, again, according to the police. and then basically, what happened from there is one of the officers tased this man, but the other shot him fatally. both of these officers have in and out been put on administrative leave. there had been some protests here in san diego last night, some taunting of police, but no strong level of violence. back to you. >> paul, very charged environment right now, finding its way to san diego. we'll stay on that story. thank you for the reporting. donald trump going on the attack, of course, after critics slam his first debate performance. will his antics hurt him? will he learn from what happened in that debate and do better the next time? the state of the race, next. guess what guys, i switched to sprint. sprint? i'm hearing good things about the network.

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did anybody see that debate last night? oh, yes! one down, two to go. >> hillary clinton seems to be enjoying her post-debate glow. she's trying to capitalize on any momentum from monday night's debate, while donald trump is going on the attack. so will the debate that the

candidates had have any effect on the polls? joining us now, cnn political analyst, david gregory. good morning, david. >> good morning. >> so both the candidates are claiming victory. this is this crazy campaign, where everybody sort of lives in their own reality. and though the polls, the scientific polls, suggest that hillary clinton won by a large margin, and you can see there, that she was enjoying that moment. >> there's no question about it. and there's a bu ybuoyantsy to her on the campaign trail. certainly those who covered it and analyze politics thought that she was the clear winner. and she was unflappable. there's a lot of strengths there. whether it really moves the race, i think, is a big question. and i'm not convinced that it will. historically, there's not a lot of precedent for moving the race significantly. so we have to see. if we go back to 1980, where

reagan did well and went up in the polls, there were big question marks about whether he could handle the job. being able to do that was a way to change the race. here, the look was to whether trump completely imploded. i think that is in the eye of the beholder. i think the vulnerability for her is just that. i think trump comes out much more aggressively last night. she was unflappable and didn't respond to personal attacks and i think it will get more personal next time i was rerasping part of this morning. there were big sort of philosophical debates to be had around, say, iran policy, the iran deal, the cash payments. i think she has to be careful not to be dismissive of trump, like, you don't have the temperament, you don't understand diplomacy, you just live in crazy town and understand, no, he's actually making some arguments that other people would make that are thinking very carefully about middle east, about the obama-era policy towards the middle east. i think she's got to engage in that debate very thoughtfully in this next go-around. >> you think part of the challenge for clinton is to show that she gets the mood of the

country right now. >> yes. >> and then, somehow, figure out the very difficult task of connecting herself to a solution when she is connected to the problem in the minds of those disgruntled voters. >> i think that's very well put. i think the one thing trump did well was basically say, look, you think the world is a mess? well, she's been on the watch. and she's part of the establishment that's been making these policies certainly for the past eight years. and it goes back even in terms of our fight against terror to the earlier clinton years, as well. so she's part of that democratic establishment. i think acknowledging the mood is huge. acknowledging the movement behind trump and getting past the notion of the basket of dploeshls a deplorables and saying, there's a real view out there. and there's differences in opinion about how we ought to take on some of these challenges. and i think that's important. i think this tax issue is interesting for a lot of issues. one is, this whole thing about trump saying this makes me smart, if he didn't pay taxes, i think the clintons have rightly

jumped on that to make an economic argument, a values argument against him to say, he's not one of us, he's not one of you. working class white voters, he thinks he's one of you, he's not one of you, he's not fighting for you, he thinks you're a chump, because he knows how to game the system. that's a big danger in not releasing his tax returns, nobody can do the scrubbing on that. and therefore, his opponent and others are able then to speculate on why he's not doing that. again, don't know if it will work, but this is a similar thing that obama did to romney in 2012, out of touch rich guy. >> another thing the clinton campaign has touched on is the whole miss universe alicia machado incident from 20 years ago, where he says he called her miss piggy and fat and brought in reporters to watch her workout. she said she felt humiliated and traumatized. here's a new ad from the clinton campaign about all that kind of stuff. [ speaking spanish ]

>> she weighed 118 pounds or 117 pounds and she went up to 160 or 170, so this is somebody that likes to eat. >> so we've had his supporters on the program this morning. they said this is a side show, another one of his things that voters won't care about. what do you think? >> i don't know. the problem is, it's going to reinforce what people know about and dislike about donald trump. so if he's trying to win a temperament argument, most americans think he doesn't have the temperament for the job. if he's trying to court women, college-educated women and women overall, with i just don't see how this is helpful. i cannot imagine that his top advisers are saying to him, no, really, you should go out and talk about this. you know, the next day. you should defend yourself. as a matter of fact, you should point out again that she gained

weight. i think that will be good. let's try to tear her down. as political practice, i cannot understand why they would want to do that. you want to try to be gracious and say, look, i got a different view of this. i'm sorry if she feels hurt by this. i look at this totally differently. let's focus on what we ought to focus on. it's the lack of discipline that continues to hurt him, because he's got system important themes and messages to drive and he's running out of time to do it. >> discipline assumes that there is the capacity to do this thing that we're hoping is repeated. he is not the kind of guy that's going to apologize for anyone, no matter how offensive. he has said that many times. do you think that they may want to worry more about what he said about it makes me smart if i don't pay my taxes, because people know who he is and either they accept him as that or they don't. but when he says, i'm smart to not pay my taxes, that goes to his ability of being, you know, for other people, of being part

of change. you know, that's potentially more dangerous, isn't it? >> yeah, i absolutely agree. whether you want to kind of microstrategize and say, you know, which persuadables are you trying to reach, i think there's no question about it. they both have these negatives about truthfulness and about apologies, but i think in this one, he's got to show that he can practice for a debate and have some messaged discipline to get those voters he's trying to get to add to where he is. >> david, appreciate it, pal. we will get back to you in a little bit. and we're talking about donald trump and one of the things that we've been doing on the race, where there's the foundation, the clinton foundation, the e-mails, is taking a look at what these allegations are and what is actually there. we have a very strong reporter joining us who says there are real problems with donald trump when it comes to paying taxes. and not just income taxes. there's another layer of trouble at his charity you need to know about. you both have a perfect driving record.

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all right. taxes and donald trump. those two words seem to go together, sometimes in positive ways, sometimes in negative

ways. here's what he said most recently about paying taxes. >> maybe he doesn't want the american people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes, because the only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities, when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. >> that makes me smart. >> that means the he's paid zero for troops, zero for vets, zero for schools or health. >> now, trump said afterwards when asked about this, that he did not say that he has never paid any taxes. why do we care? well, part of that is just about a credibility issue, but there's a larger issue at play here about whether or not his charitable foundation has been used to skirt paying personal taxes. let's discuss with someone who is ferreting this out.

"washington post" reporter, david fahrenthold. now, this is a little bit in the weeds, but let me -- tell me if i do this simply enough. you can give money to a charity, obviously. however, if you redirect income that you don't pay taxes on, as income, to a charity, you still owe the taxes on that money. that is the beginning of the trail that you're following with the trump charity, yes? >> that's right. so we had, before, talked about it was a mystery why other people were donating to donald trump's foundation, when trump himself hadn't given a gift since 2008. that's part of the answer we learned, that $2.3 million that came into the foundation appears to be money that was owed to trump for business deals or something like that. and he said, no, don't pay me, pay my foundation. which, again, you're allowed to do, but in that situation, trump would have to pay income tax on that money. and his campaign hasn't say whether he paid that tax or not. >> why do i care? if i'm a voter, what's the "so

what?" in this situation? let's say he did that. what does it mean? >> there's a moral difference between doing that with the american red cross or something. if trump said, hey, don't pay me, pay the american red cross, pay the american cancer society, a charity he had no control over. but he's saying, pay the donald trump charity, a charity that he controls, and he has used the money in that charity that benefit himself, like buying pictures of himself, and doing things that benefit his businesses, like settling legal disputes. so if he can put untaxed money into his charity and then spend it like it's his own money, that's a bigger set of legal troubles. >> did you go to the campaign for answers and what did they say? >> this was really interesting, i did go to the campaign for answers and their first reaction was to deny that these things had ever taken place. they read me this long spiel about how trump obides by a obscure 1940 court decision. and they said, he never has done

this. and i said, oh, really? find an example. so i gave them some examples, and they said, that was an exception, and the other cases, they haven't responded. >> does the irs know about this? i know you have reported in the past that a donation he had given through the foundation came under scrutiny. it was dismissed as an accounting error by the campaign, but it was still fined as if it was done with wrongful intent by the irs. why aren't they on this? >> they could be. what we know about the investigation or investigations of trump's foundation is that the new york attorney general is looking into it. he regulates charities in new york state, where the trump foundation is headquartered. the irs hasn't said one thing one way or another. the irs could decide he actually owes a lot more money or it could decide what he did was proper. we don't really know what the irs is doing and won't until they're done if >> do you think that the campaign is aware of this? i think it was boris epshteyn that you talked to. we have him on "new day" once in a while. he's a very zealous defender of trump, also an attorney.

do you think that they were trying to give you the runaround or do you think they were unaware of this? >> well, it seemed like they had prepared for it. i was not expecting that, for them to come up with a totally alternative theory for how trump could have done this and not paid income taxes. >> what was that theory, by the way? >> his theory was that trump would not owe income taxes if -- in cases where somebody owed trump money, trump would say, you don't owe me any money, i'm renouncing the money you owe me, but you might consider giving it to a charity, not naming the trump charity, and then somehow the other party in that transaction decides spontaneously to give the money to the trump foundation. so trump wouldn't have controlled how it went. he said that's how trump raised money for the foundation. i said, give me an example, when did it happen like that, and he couldn't. >> how big a deal do you think this is? >> well, it sort of depends on whether he paid taxes on that money and whether the irs finds that -- whether the irs really looks into this. it could be the beginning of a much larger legal problem for

trump, if there were problems with how the money came into the trump foundation and how it came out, how it was spent. but for me, at this point, without the irs telling me what they know, it's hard to know. >> and you're suspicious, because you've reported in the past that there was 258 grand that he had used to settle business matters with money that came out of the charity, which obviously you're not allowed to do. >> right. that's one big thing you're not allowed to do. it's against the law, if you manage a charity, to take the money out of the charity and spend it on things that benefit yourself or benefit your businesses. so, yes, $258,000 went apparently to help settle legal disputes that trump's for-profit businesses were involved in. >> who would ever imagine that we would be covering two candidates that have two legal and potentially criminal matters up in the air during the course of the election. mr. fahrenthold, thank you very much for trying to clarify and define these issues for us. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> alisyn? chris, there are communities

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a police shooting in southern california of a black man adds more discussion to the debate of race and police. it seems at the onset to be a different kind of case. there doesn't seem to be the same kind of red flag about whether or not it's justified, but it does bring us back to focusing on what we've seen before. tulsa, oklahoma, for example, where there were dueling rallies in a way after the death of terence crutcher's shooting, death by a police officer. you had protesters to support the police and for fairness in black lives. now joining us, benjamin krupp, representing crutcher's family. counselor, how is the family? >> the family is doing well, thanks to all the people that came out yesterday, black, white, latino, to stand in unify for prayer, peace, and justice. and so it was a very positive day, chris.

>> now, i know that we've spoken too much in the past about these issues, unfortunately, but while the discussion is good, but the context is also often tragic. and you have said more than once, i don't want to see dueling rallies. it should all be the same rally, that's supporting the police is a must, and does not compromise the interest of justice for black men and women. >> absolutely, chris. and what you saw yesterday was two or three people out there, trying to be detractors, but the thousand that marched to city hall in the name of unity and peace and justice and transparency was a combination of really what demonstrated who the city was. remember, they were transparent. and like charlotte and other cities that we see in america, and it's so important, we think, to build that trust. you need transparency, but you need accountability. so it remains to be seen if

we're going to be able to get that accountability. but it's a good start, chris. >> what do you stay to people when there is transparency. it goes through the system, and there's not a conviction. because the concern is, you don't want the system perverted to avoid accountability. and you don't want the system perverted to give false accountability, either. just have someone locked up to somewhat be a salve, to somehow cure a wound, because that's just as much of an injustice as anything, with wouldn't it be? >> absolutely. and it's equal justice. and chris, what you want is to build trust with the community. it has to be transparency, plus accountability, equals trust. but it's also due process for everybody. for not only the victim and the epidemic that's going across america of unarmed people of color killed in unbelievable manners, but also, due process for the police officers that have their day in court.

now, when you have this transparency, like we see on that video, it provides evidence. and we know if it was the other way around, we would be held accountable. the question is, will anybody be held accountable for these black lives that are being taken at an alarming rate by the people who are supposed to protect and serve us. it's almost one a month, chris. >> the -- well, and obviously, you know, every case is different. every case deserves individual analysis. the reason that i'm couching what happened in el cajon so much out there in california is because it doesn't set up, like these other cases. you know, there's a man who some say was going through some kind of breakdown. he seemed to draw on police, based on the picture we've seen, more video is going to come out. not every case should be treated with the same suspicion. fair point? >> fair point, chris. and remember, on the crutcher matter, because that's the one i can speak to directly, when you watch that voob, it causes a lot of tension, not only in the community, but in your soul.

and dr. king said, peace is not the absence of tension, but the presence of justice. so, the police can't be right every time. and if you accept that premise, then you have to conclude, then why isn't anybody being held accountable? and that's what i think is the crux of the matter with all of these communities of color rising up in protest saying, our lives matter. we are americans, too. and we want equal justice under the law. >> and that's what justice is. fairness under law. that's why we stay on these stories and we will continue to do so. counselor crump, thank you for joining us on new day. >> alisyn? >> on a much lighter note, la late-night comics making hay of the presidential debate. we have it all for you, next. consumption of very acidic foods can wear away your enamel. your tooth is gonna look yellower, um more dull. nobody wants to have yellow looking teeth. i recommend pronamel toothpaste because it helps protect and strengthen your enamel. it's gonna make them more resistant to the

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so after donald trump and hillary clinton duked it out on the debate stage, late-night hosts pounds and their answers added up to some real late-night lives. here they are. >> donald trump blamed his poor performance on a defective mike that may have been planted at his podium on purpose. apparently the mike had a defect that caused it to pick up everything he said. >> they're a little suspicious. she may not have pneumonia, but she is showing all the signs of dance fever. >> whoo, okay! ♪ >> hot dang!

>> well, we actually have audio from the sound check last night. first up was hillary clinton. listen to this. >> testing, testing, testing, trumped up trickle-down. trumped up trickle-down. wait for applause. and nothing. okay! >> other than cnn, i won every poll, easily, you know, i won cbs. >> yeah. he won the cbs poll. that's impressive. except for the fact that cbs did not conduct a post-debate poll. ohh! doh! that close. that close! >> higher ratings than any other debate in u.s. history. did you know that? the ratings would have been even higher if it weren't for all the people covering their eyes. >> joining us now, comedian, daily beast contributor, and host of the dean obeidallah show on cnn. those were some good gags right

there. dean, who gives the late-night comics more material, hillary clinton or donald trump? >> i think donald trump, just by the nature of donald trump. he's given the media more attention. i think this is great. record ratings. 80 million people watched the debate. >> 84. >> but probably 100 million people will vote. 50 million didn't watch the debate, what did they learn about the debates, the late-night comics, watching their news feeds, viral video. so i think comedy could be the key to winning this election. >> of course you think that. it rests on your shoulders. >> it really does. >> that's why there winds up being a responsibility that goes along with satire. one of the things that allowed jon stewart to distinguish himself was that there was an underlying intelligence, if not an agenda, to what he was trying to achieve. sometimes, it's just funny now. i thought colbert was going to grab that mantle, but he stayed in the funny mode. where is that balance for you, brian, in terms as satire versus commentary and criticism and just comedy.

>> i see a number of the late-night hosts all trying to speak up about trump and the threat that they believe he poses. jimmy fallon, not so much. fallon has been a little softer. he's just had a little more fun with all the candidates. but it seems to me like some of these naturally liberal late-night hosts are trying to sound the alarm about trump. it probably turns off some of their viewers, but impresses some of their own viewers. >> political satire "snl" is back. so they will have quite a fall with making hay of all of this. but they've lost a couple of important people. so what are we expecting this year? >> i think you'll see debate sketch. i worked "snl" for eight years, if they don't come back and do the debate sketch -- but kate mckinnon, she'll probably play hillary clinton with a huge smile and taking victory laps and darryl hammond will play donald trump. and the country will be watching we'll all be talking about the sketches on sunday morning. >> lauren michaels told me they have to wait until the first debate to start "snl" this year. they wanted to purposefully -- it's almost october, and they

decided to wait to start the season until after the first debate. i imagine we'll see him and trump taking lots of sips of water, a lot of sniffling, i'm sure. there's some obvious -- >> will you see trump? will you see clinton? >> i think so, but not until the end of the month. i think they'll wait until later in october. >> am i wrong? >> it's likely, but there was such a backlash time trump hosted, didn't go on. i wonder if they let him come on and make fun of himself and let him have fun, or if they have a sense of obligation. jimmy fallon got a lot of heat by not pressing donald trump, by giving him a kardashian-type interview. >> they won't go on, though? if you become us, you know, that's -- why do they pick these things? they pick these things because it's going to a pass, right? >> for sure. that's the value of "snl" last year. and i think he will appear as a guest, because he's in some way in on his own jokes, he's an entertainer, he knows how to play to the cameras. that was one of the surprises about the debate for me, that he wasn't more prepared to play to the cameras and play to the

audience at home. >> he wasn't prepared. that was part of the problem. and i think that's the joke. if you didn't watch the debate, the takeaway from the jokes of the comedians, the theme is the sniffles, of course, and the interrupting, but really, not being prepared. and essentially losing the debate in the eyes of the media and lashing out against everyone but himself. i think that paints a narrative. sarah palin was the ultimate comedian's painting a narrative, it stuck. but this paints a narrative. not everyone watches cnn or cable news. they should, of course, they should be watching. but this stuff gets through. it gets through to people who don't care about news or serious politics. they learn something while they're laughing. >> do they? i mean, i guess. i don't know what the takeaway is from just these punch lines. >> the best comedy is one where you're laughing and learning at the same time. and you can do it. sarah palin, famous line, i can see russia from my house, she never said that. tina fey said that. >> tina fey ruined sarah palin for me. i cannot look at the real person now and not think about tina fey. but that gets you to alisyn's

point, as a good one. is it something they learned, but there's also a balance with disaffection. you mock the process, mock the seriousness of it, you make it all seem like a joke, especially in this election, which is fairly presented a as a choice of less-worses for people, between clinton and trump. do you create jaundice? >> i would say because there's so much fear and anxiety, we need to laugh more than ever. >> on that note, dean, brian, thank you very much. great to talk to you this morning. all right, newsroom with carol costello will pick up after this very short break. chris and i will see you tomorrow. >> tv laugh contest, now. they examined 87 different protein structures and worked for 12 long years. there were thousands of patient volunteers and the hope of millions. and so after it became a medicine, someone who couldn't be cured, could be. me.

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and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. donald trump and hillary clinton both claiming a victory to springboard from monday's debate stage to a full-fledged blitz of campaign trail. one hour from now, mr. trump will be in chicago to address the polish american alliance. and later today, he hits up events in iowa and in wisconsin. and clinton's campaign rolls out some heavy hitters. michelle obama, chelsea clinton, and bernie sanders will all stump for her from north carolina to new hampshire. their target, college voters. cnn's sara murray is in orlando, where trump returned to the trail and to the attack. and joe johns is following the clinton campaign and its star-pored surrogates. but let's begin with you, sara. good morning.