tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN September 29, 2016 6:00pm-7:01pm PDT
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marriage at the first debate, but he brought up the fact that he's not bringing it up, which is, of course, a way of bringing it up. today paul steinhauser asked trump if he would talk about it at the second debate, as he's threatened to do, and how he though the first debate went overall. >> back on monday's debate, going into that debate, a lot of people said that hillary clinton was going to try to bait you and so people say that maybe you took the debate. will you be more disciplined maybe in the second debate? >> i don't think i took the debate. every online poll had he winning the debate. every single one of them, many of them, so, look, i found it to be an amazing experience, actually. we had 88 million people or something around that number. and i just found it to be an amazing experience. no, i think we did well. i think i did -- you know, i'm very happy with the way it turned out. >> you were asked about the birther question and you said you were proud of what you did, you did a service to the president and to the country. do you stand by those comments? you're proud of what you did? >> i'm the one who got him to put up his birth certificate. hillary clinton was unable to get there.
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i will tell you, sthe tried, you look at her campaign, and everybody knows it happened. and i will tell you pretty much everybody agrees with me, but she tried and she was unable to do it, and i tried, and i was able to do it. so i'm proud of that. >> you didn't mention bill clinton and his past affairs. you may do this in the second debate? >> well, she was very nasty to me. and i was going to do it, and i saw chelsea sitting out in the audience and i just didn't want to go there. i thought it would be too disrespectful. i didn't want to do it. but she was very nasty. >> what about the second debate? >> we'll see what happens, but i didn't want to out pit there. it's a hard thing to say in front of somebody's daughter. >> if it does come up, though, in the next debate, do you think your past marital history is also fair game? >> i guess. i mean, they can do -- but it's a lot different than his, i can tell you. we have a situation where we had a president who was a disaster and he was ultimately impeached over it, in a sense, for lying. so we'll see whether or not we discuss it. >> you're not worried about your past history at all? >> no, not at all.
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i have a very good history. >> donald trump was back on the campaign trail for a rally in new hampshire today. jay coson carroll joins me now . what'd he have to say today on the trail? >> reporter: basically, a lot of what we heard during this rally today was much of what we've heard during his basic stump speeches, with a new attack that he's been outing out, he calls it the fbi immunity five, referring to some of clinton's former aides who received immunity in order to testify about her e-mails. but in terms hoff what he's been saying going forward, he's basically been saying that he went easy on clinton, by not mentioning bill clinton and his past indiscretions, if you will. but when we heard what we said at this rally here today, even though he said he wasn't going to go into it, in an indirect way, that's exactly what he did. >> the clintons are the sordid past. we will be the very bright and
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clean future. >> there are also reports that members of his campaign might not have been as pleased with his debate performance as he says he was. >> reporter: right, right. i think you're referring to that conference call that went down yesterday, where basically, it was made very clear that donald trump is not happy with some of the surrogates who were out there talking to reporters, and saying that he didn't do as good as a job as he could have done during that past debate. chris christie speaking to cnn a little earlier today, when asked about whether or not he would step in and perhaps take over debate prep going into the next debate, he said he has been asked, but if he was asked, certainly he would step in to do it. christie also said he felt as though donald trump did well during the last debate. he also said he would do a better job during the next debate. trump, for his part, at this rally today, anderson, basically saying that he felt as though the debate was rigged against him, but having said that, you heard him there in the interview, he still says he won that debate. >> jason carroll, jason, thanks
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very much. hillary clinton spoke to reporters today, among other things, trump's threats to keep bringing up her marriage. jeff zeleny joins me with that. so the comments from trump, talk to me about what clinton had to say about them, how she responded? >> reporter: anderson, she was flying from an early voting rally in iowa, voting actually started there, and she was flying to here in chicago to a fund-raiser. and she was asked several times about the fact that some trump surrogates are now going to be bringing up questions about the clinton sex scandal from the 1990s. and she was asked directly if she thought she should respond or if she planned to respond to these allegations or to questions of her husband's impeachment. she said, no. and left it at that. it's very seldom she answers something so succinctly, there, but she said she's going to run her own campaign and not be dragged into this. we'll see if donald trump actually goes there in the second debate and if she actually has to respond. but her campaign believes,
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actually, that women will be offended by any kind of attack on her like this. this is definitely something the trump campaign seems to be trying out before that next debate. >> and there was the "newsweek" report today that suggested that donald trump tried investing in cuba, which if true, would violate the law. did hillary clinton seize on that today? >> she seized on it immediately, in fact, that's why she came to talk to reporters in the first place. that was her message, if you will. she said, if this report is true, that some of his business kpeskts traveled to cuba in the 1990s to look at hotel businesses, it would be a violation of law. and she linked it to other transparency questions. she said, he's still not released his tax returns, he's been evasive, doesn't have the temperament to be president. it looked to me like just watching her as she was talking about this, she knew everything about this story. this may be fodder for a second debate when there is such a big audience watching both of them. >> jeff zeleny, thanks for the reporting. donald trump refuses to concede that he had a bad night at the first debate, but his campaign is looking to change the way he gets ready for the next one. a source says, one option is to
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get new jersey governor chris christie to help him prep. christie told cnn today that he hasn't been asked to do anything new. bret o'donnell is a debate coach that worked with the bush/cheney and mccain campaigns and joins me now. the fact that advisers seem divided going forward, it seems like they're aware something needs to change between now and november 9th. but if trump himself won't admit he didn't do well, then that's an issue, isn't it? >> it's a real problem inside a campaign. you got a stubborn candidate, it's very, very hard to overcome their resistance and sort of sense. you know, i remember one president used to -- when people used to come in and argue with him, he would tap them on the chest and say, if you're so d n damned smart, why aren't you president. and that happens with campaigners frequently. and in donald trump's case, it could be fatal. because his lack of preparation
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i think really handicapped him in this first debate, pivotal debate. he keeps citing these online polls. the much more reliable polls have consistently had him losing the debate. the country increasingly thinks he lost the debate, so he needs to prepare. chris christie brings certain qualities to it with the skill of a prosecutor and pressing the case. he's very, very good at that. and we saw when he took out rubio during the primary debates. but whether he can impersonate hillary in such a short time, that's a much, much harder proposition for him. i would think that trump, if he wants to go -- if he wants more advice, he's going to go back to roger ailes before this is all over. >> part of the reason chris christie is being floated, he's one of the only people in trump's circle that can be brutally frank with him. how big a problem is that? i mean, that his inner circle can't be completely honest with him? >> that's a very big problem. part of the thing that makes the debate prep successful is being
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able to say to the candidate, that wasn't very good, you have to do it better. that happened in 2004 with george w. bush after his first debate and he was able to improve his game and get better in the second and third debates. it happened with barack obama, by all accounts, in the 2012 debate. the candidate, as david said, has to be willing to listen to the advice of his debate preppers. and if he's not willing to do that, it's a big problem. >> also, bret, chris christie did something that i thought was very interesting during the primary debates. he would sort of the strategically flip questions on their side, answering with what he wouldn't do. i'll tell you what i wouldn't do, instead of necessarily laying out policy specifics. is that a good debate strategy? >> well, i think to some extent, it is. i mean, you want to be on offense. debates are about being on offense. and in the first 30 minutes of monday's debate, donald trump was on offense. but then for the last 60, he was not. really, what you got to do is figure out what are your offensive moments and figure out
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ways to pivot off of the defensive ones. >> the idea of trump bringing, you know, trump announcing at the last debate, well, i was going to bring up something about bill clinton and the past, but i just couldn't do it, seeing chelsea in the audience. and saying, maybe it will be brought up in the next debate. is that a strategy that could be winning for him? is that really the way to get more women to vote for him? >> well, talking to people in the clinton campaign, they would love for him to do it in some ways. i think they tried to bait him into doing that in this last debate when they brought up miss universe. they though he would the tempted, as he was, to bring up bill. he decided against it. i think he used the right judgment then. but this week is turning into a mess. because it's all about his relationship with women, his relationship with miss universe. now, you know, now the question whether he's going to bring up bill. this is the worst way to run a come-from-behind kind of campaign and try to overtake the
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hillary clinton. and that is, he ought to be talking about the future of the country. he ought to be talking about what matters. and he's gotten himself mired in this sexy stuff that is, frankly, pretty -- it's pretty off-putting for a lot of voters, especially women. >> also, david, if he brings that up about the clintons, then, as we talked about in the last hour, he opens himself up to a whole host of criticism about his past, you know, marital infidelities. >> about his past, not only his marriages, but sort of the locker room talk out of the '90s, which is so passe today. it's like a re-run of "mad men" in the middle of a 2016 campaign. nobody talks like that anymore. and people find it deeply offensive, especially women. but there are a lot of guys around who sort of say, you know, come on, i don't want to have people like that in the white house. >> bret, you say this would be a big mistake for trump to bring up clinton's past? >> i think so. there's so much substantively that he can discuss. first of all, when we're talking
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about affairs, the american people are losing, because they're not talking about how we would move the country forward. and i think there's a lot of substantiative things he can do to talk about clinton's positions, to show that there are real, meaningful differences. i think the e-mails, the foundation, her speeches to wall street, all of those things are fair game, because it's what she did rather than bill clinton, and by the way, bringing bill clinton up, in my opinion, not very good, because hillary clinton has changed her position from bill clinton. bill clinton was popular. and i just think it's a mistake for him to bring those up. he should focus his offense on hillary clinton and her problems. >> i absolutely -- i think that's absolutely right. you know, when he brought up the idea of, i'll put my tax returns out when she puts out her e-mails. that was a good offensive line. he dropped it. he ought to be back on that kind of offense and talking about the future of the country, not this crazy sexy stuff that has got
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everybody, you know, what kind of campaign is this? >> david gergen, bret o'donnell, good stuff. coming up, new allegations against the trump foundation. a new report says that trump never got the certification required by law before charities can ask people for money. details on that next. and the latest on a deadly train crash just outside of new york city that left more than a hundred people injured. here's the plan. you grow up wanting to be a lawyer, because your dad's a lawyer. and you land a job with a 401k and meet your wife. you're surprised how much you both want kids, and equally surprised you can't have them. so together, you adopt a little boy... and then his two brothers... and you up your life insurance because four people depend on you now. then, one weekend, when everyone has a cold and you've spent the whole day watching tv, you realize that you didn't plan for any of this, but you wouldn't have done it any other way.
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there have been a number of questions about donald trump's charity group, about him not donating any of his own money for years, allegations that he used foux money to settle business lawsuits and buy paintings for himself. now there's a new report that they never got the certification required before they can solicit money. david fahrenthold uncovered this story and joins me on the phone. so explain what that means, exactly. >> it means that trump relies on other people's money to fill up the coffers of his foundation for a number of years, not giving any of his own money since 2008. so under new york law, he was required to get a special certification that requires an extra audit and more oversight if he was raising money from the public, to protect the public from trump using their money. and he never did that, never registered. so the money he's raising from other people, asking other people to give, that's against the law. >> and my understanding, based on what i read in your story so far, if he had the certification, he also could have been audited to make sure
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that -- or the foundation would have been audited to make sure that the money wasn't going for his personal benefit or business benefit, correct? >> reporter: that's right. that's the biggest consequence of having not registered. if he had to register every year, he would have an independent auditor come through the books of the foundation, look at all the checks, and specifically ask questions, did donald trump's foundation spend money that benefited donald trump in a way that it wasn't supposed to. and we found a few allegations where that seems to have happened over the years and if he had had to have gone through these audits, they would have found that. >> now, the new york attorney general finds that he raised money without certification, what happens? >> the new york attorney general is already investigating the foundation. he has a lot of power. he can do things like enforce an injunction. the courts could force trump to give all the money back that he raised when he wasn't allowed to
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be raising money. >> and how is the trump campaign responding? >> not responding at all. i asked questions earlier today and have heard nothing at all. >> we'll continue to follow occupy on this. i want to bring in maggie haberman and on the phone, senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. maggie, what do you make of this latest reporting? >> i think this is another drip, drip, but a larger drip drip in the problem that has been the trump foundation in david's reporting, for a while. hillary clinton already tweeted this out from her campaign account, so i assume she'll bring this up at the debate. it raises a real question, because, especially, as i read his story, some of this appears to relate to the money that trump was raising for veterans earlier this year. and that was a stunt that he did to explain why he was skipping the final debate in iowa before the caucuses. and there was a huge production about it and this actually was the genesis of a lot of david's reporting. it raises questions about how trump handles his own money, how he handles other people's money. and it is yet another negative
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story for him, again, going into the final five weeks, that his campaign has chosen not to deal with at all, the first time they'll be dealing with it, most likely, is on the debate stage in a real way, and that's not a great forum for it. >> jeffrey, it does seem like the biggest consequence of this, the idea that it -- had he gotten the certificate, which on the face, you might think, oh, it's just a certificate, he would have been audited and somebody would have been checking, is the foundation using money to benefit donald trump or his businesses, which according to david's reporting, there are a number of instances of that happening. >> that's right. i mean, the -- david's reporting has established that this foundation was really not a charitable enterprise, in any meaningful way. that it was basically an extension of his business, which is entirely improper. the problem with all of this is that a lot of foundations are very poorly run and there's very little regulation that's
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enforced, but if there is an enforcement action here, i mean, it certainly seems like what trump has done is completely indefensible. whether that is something that sways votes at this point, i don't know. because his business practices w whether it's bankruptcy or his university or his steaks, it hasn't taken much of a toll yet. i don't know if this -- if this will. >> i mean, i think that a lot of voters who didn't pay attention to either party primary are just tuning in right now. i think we saw that with the debate the other night and how many people watched it. i think people have been fairly turned off in this election because of the tone. so things that didn't seem to be there has been this running narrative that nothing hurts donald trump. if you look at his negative ratings, they're quite high. so new pieces of information and new things for people who are just paying attention, i do think, are informative. that's why this week separate on
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the issue we were talking about earlier about alicia machado and what he said about her is damaging, because it's not just another thing. >> if i could just add one thing, the one thing that trump has going for him in this whole situation is that the main person who is investigating is eric schneiderman, the new york attorney general, who is an elected partisan democrat. he will undoubtedly, as he has before, attack sneiderman's partisan motives, which may give him an opportunity to not talk about the merit of what david has raised. >> i think that's true. >> jeffrey toobin, thanks. maggie haberman, stay with us. there's much more to talk about ahead. did donald trump complain that some of the women working at his golf courses weren't pretty enough and they should be replaced with women that are more attractive. we'll find out the details about that and find out exactly what was said. i love that my shop is part of the morning ritual around here.
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these claims came in a 2010 motion in a lawsuit against the golf club for work hours, declarations in support of woman claiming ageism. what do the employees actually say? >> the employees said that there was a culture at the trump national golf course in rancho palos verdes, in which younger, more attractive women were favored over older, perhaps less-attractive, more experienced employees, and this was at donald trump's direction. that he would come to the club and tell his managers that you've got to get some better-looking people in here. you know, you need more attractive women in this restaurant, and that was the basis of one of the employee's claims. she said that she was denied the opportunity to serve donald trump because she was 45 years old. >> did any employees say they heard directly from donald trump that the club needed to hire more attractive women? >> yes, there was a restaurant manager who heard that from donald trump directly. her sworn declaration is in the court record. there's also toot catering
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manager who said she heard donald trump tell other managers multiple times when the club first opened in 2005 that there needed to be more attractive women and that less-attractive women should be fired. and these are sort of -- you see a trend of comments trickling down from managers beneath donald trump, where he would tell employees and managers that, you know, donald's coming to town. maybe you should take today off. they tried to get around it by hiding their less-attractive employees when donald came to town. >> they would actually hide their less-eattraattractive emp? >> yes, they would schedule days off. there was one employee, the catering manager, who said that a trump organization vice president, vince stelio told her to fire one employee because she was overweight, because donald trump doesn't like fat people, quote/unquote. she refused to do that. another general manager told her to fire that employee and she refused, so they came up with a compromise so they would schedule that employee to not be around when donald trump would
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come to town. >> you write about a manager who talked about a young, attractive hostess who talked to donald trump while entertaining some guests. what did the manager say next? >> that the young woman was brought over to some older men that donald trump was entertaining and said, you don't have to go to hollywood to find beautiful women, and that donald trump asked this young server, do you like jewish men? >> and i understand that all of those who gave declarations, they had to sign nondisclosure agreements as part of a settlement, but you did speak at length to a former employee. what'd you learn from them? >> well, i can't say in detail what they said, because they fear being sued, as you mentioned, they signed nondisclosure agreements, which prevents them from speaking out today about the culture of club, but what this employee said largely sign lined up with the allegations in the lawsuit, which said that there was a culture at donald trump's club that float down from donald trump in which beauty was prized over skill.
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>> and you also in your story, you talk about someone higher up in the trump organization. what did they say? >> there was an attorney for the trump organization who handled the lawsuit. their only response to all these allegations is a blanket denial, they said that these allegations were meritless. they say that they do not discriminate against their employees and then, don't break the law. and beyond that, there hasn't really been much comment on each of these individual claims. these statements were made under threat of perjury and filed in the court record, but there hasn't really been any kind of detailed response to what these employees say happened to them under donald trump's management. >> matt pierce, appreciate your reporting, thanks for talking about it. back with the panel, as well. kayleigh, what do you make? sworn declarations, you're a lawyer, what do you make? >> first of all, this was settled without admission of liability, so that's important. i take a look at the court documents today. there were 27 employees who made declarations. of that, there were two women
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who claim to have heard donald trump say these things. the cnn analysis that was done has said that he's employed 34,000 people over the year of his career. and if there are two women in a court case and one discredited miss universe, i would say that's a pretty good track record. >> but miss universe has nothing to do with this case. >> but there were two employees in this club -- >> how far 34,000 employees. >> but how many in this club? >> 37 -- >> no, but of the 34,000 people donald trump has employed, how many people do we hear giving these allegations? three. that's a pretty good record. >> it's not a good record. and i think kayleigh is trying to misrepresent the numbers and enlarge the pool trying to make donald trump look better. you had in this report and in these sworn declarations, that you could be charged with perjury, we have yet another pattern of donald trump's own behavior and own words showing the he treats and sees women
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very badly. this is two women who came forward knowing that it could cost their jobs. and it's not easy. you know, kayleigh seems to present it as it's easy to come forward and say these things are happening in the workplace. it's not. you could risk your job and your livelihood for your families. >> you can also get a nice payo payoff. >> two women is an incredibly brave thing and they should be paid attention to. and because it was settled does not mean that -- >> and hillary -- >> this isn't about hillary clinton. this is about donald trump -- >> i wasn't going to say anything about hillary clinton. >> -- treating women as they are property. having hostesses, as the reporter said, brought over to him and men he was entertaining, as if they were item on display. a dessert tray to pick from. that is sexist, it's not appropriate, and it sure should not be in the white house. it's just another example of donald trump's sexism against women. >> why is hillary clinton not filling the airwaves with former employees, female employees of
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donald trump saying these things? i'll give you the answer, they don't exist. i haven't seen one commercial to those things. he's a good businessman that has empowered women -- >> there are nondisclosure agreements that it seems like -- i don't have any employees that have to sign -- >> but 34,000 haven't signed nondisclosure. >> the vast majority of the trump organization employees actually do sign nondisclosure agreements. and beyond that, i would not be thrilled if my candidate was trotting women, or whatever word you used, out there, if they didn't want that. when these kind of things happen in the workplace, it is incredibly traumatic for women. and the idea that they would all go out on tv and talk about it shows a real misunderstanding of what that's like to go through in the workplace and how hard it is. and put on top of that nondisclosure agreements. >> let me ask you, if, in fact, it is true that mr. trump said -- or one employee said that mr. trump doesn't like fat people. you know, that they were basically scheduling people -- fat people, you know, people who had weight issues so that they
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weren't there the day mr. trump was there. if these allegations are true, do you think it matters? do you think it's important? >> i think it's important, but just like hillary clinton, a mad employee won't let the truth get in the way of a good story. so there are plenty of times when an employee is not happy and they will -- a disgruntled employee is not happy and will say things that aren't whole truths or aren't truths at all just to go after their employees. >> what is interesting about this, these allegations were made a while ago, and they do seem to back up donald trump's own public comments about women's weight, which he seems to reference with some regularity. >> what's most interesting is they actually happen to both appear in the media at the same time. i mean, they weren't news stories six months ago or six weeks ago. one just happens to lap in right with the other one, almost magically, at the same time. and again, it's just one more gossip story, instead of talk about issues. >> it's court papers. it's court papers. >> let's just boil this down, right? it's just yet another example of
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who the real donald trump is, period. if we had any questions about did donald trump call women a slob? did donald trump call women fat? here it is. the evidence is overwhelming. we keep hearing about it over and over again. and he interjected all of this in the last 14, 15 months. this has come out of the mouth of donald trump. >> we don't know what came out of the mouth of donald trump. >> yes, yes, you've heard him call women pigs, dogs -- on the debate stage! this is what he's said. he is not a person our daughters can look up to. the makeup of population in this country is more than 50% women. >> our daughters can look up to someone -- >> he does not see women as equal to men. no, we're talking about donald trump. while hillary clinton -- >> one at a time. let her finish. >> while hillary clinton was promoting women's rights across the country, donald trump was here, just saying awful things about women. >> respond. >> well, he was employing thousands of women. giving people an opportunity. not somebody talking about
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creating jobs, somebody that was creating jobs. somebody that had people going home to a family that were very happy with the positions they were given within the trump organizations. there's thousands of them. hillary clinton can talk about all these wonderful things that she would do. he's done it. he doesn't have to magnificently dream about what it's like to create jobs. he's done it. and he has a lot more people that are happy than are unhappy. you find two people out of 34,000, that's not an overwhelming majority. >> we wouldn't know, again, because they signed nondisclosure agreements. and i want to go back to something that was said before. this isn't gossip, these are court papers, under threat of perjury. a serious offense. this isn't the cover of the "national enquirer." and it was done in 2012, clearly before the presidential race, because people were harassed and treated inappropriately at work. and again, if this was just one thing that popped up in court today, that might be different. but as anderson said, it seems to follow, quite frankly, a bizarre pattern of mr. trump, of
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talking a lot, for no real reason, about women's weight. >> we've got to stop -- >> but kayleigh, do you believe that donald trump has a pattern of talking about women's weight, whether it's on the howard stern show or in public or -- >> no -- >> you see no pattern? >> i see a pattern with hillary clinton. "new york times" calling women floozys, stalker, bimbo, narcissistic loony toon and sending private investigators after women she did not like. >> okay, but you see no -- honestly, you see no pattern of regular comments by donald trump referencing women's weight? >> no. i see it being -- >> really? how can you say that? >> i see it being -- context matters. you're in a miss universe pageant. a third of the score is physical fitness. he mentioned the girl's weight because the miss universe board wanted to remove her for her weight and he stood up her. >> saying "she's an eating machine," that's standing up for her? >> he said, look, i love to eat,
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too. >> he didn't have a sweat suit on, on national tv. >> but i didn't see him in shorts, working out in a room full of reporters. in fact, i have yet to see him in anything other than a very large jacket. >> it's always about him. >> he said he would be glad to work out with her. i watched the tape. he said, i would be glad to work out with you. >> it was his press conference, he could have worked out with her. but come on, you've got to say, there is a pattern of him repeatedly -- this is not a political statement. there is a pattern of him repeatedly and publicly talking about women's weight. on "the howard stern show," on a variety -- >> over 40 years we have a couple clips of him saying that, you know, of his whole life, where they found a couple clips. but this is more of a clinton rerun. every time they have an opponent that wants to start talking about issues, magically, all these issues come up about something other than talking about jobs and the economy and safety, because she doesn't want to go toe to toe on issues. she likes -- every time the
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clintons have run, scandals have come out of every single person they've run against. it's never been just a clean campaign. ask anybody that's ever run against the clintons. >> you're making the argument that donald trump hasn't had enough time to focus on issues? it seems like in a lot of these rallies, there's a lot of talk about everything other than deep dives on policy issues. isn't that true? doesn't he tell a lot of stories? >> and if he didn't want to talk about it, why didn't he double down on -- >> let her respond. >> we tend to focus on the five words at a rally we can miscon true to try to feed into the caricature of donald trump being a deplorable, but i've listened to tons of these rallies in full and 95% are devoted to policy. >> that's not true. 95% of his rallies are not devoted to policy. this is not a political statement about hillary clinton. this is just talking -- i cover donald trump. 95% of his rallies are not about policy. he has done some policy speeches, that is true. he has been criticized for some of those policy speeches for not being specific or offering details that don't make any sense about how he would pay for
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some of his goals, but i do think that trump has dismissed a lot of his old comments about women, such as on "the howard stern show" or whatever as, that was before i was a politician. i was a businessman, i was in entertainment, you know, things on "the apprentice." but this is now a presidential race and he is talking about, you know, alicia machado's weight. he has talked about, you know, there was that theoretical, to be fair, a man, too, a 400-pound man hacker that he brought up in the debate. there's a problem with this campaign where the trump campaign repeatedly focuses on its version of the truth and it is not objectively true. >> we've got to take a break. up next, hillary clinton's not-so-secret weapon to fight for the millennial vote. chelsea clinton. why she thinks her mom has had a hard time getting people to support her. that and more, ahead. ♪
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dana bash reports. >> i'm a volunteer with hillary. >> reporter: at field offices and 280 college campuses, millennials work the phones for hillary clinton. >> i was wondering if you would like to come out and do some voter registration or a phone bank with us this weekend? >> reporter: young voters fueled president obama's wins. he got 60% of 18 to 29-year-olds in 2012. a demo that was nearly 20% of the vote, and now could be growing. >> young people could represent 25% of the vote. >> reporter: team clinton is putting such a premium on millennials, they hired youth directors in key battleground states. lily catlin runs north carolina and says social media is key. >> we can't necessarily knock on every door. it's having those kinds of conversations, but through our text list or through twitter. >> reporter: still, polls show clinton is underperforming with millennials, so the campaign is deploying high-profile
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surrogates. bernie sanders is lobbying his army of young supporters. >> it is imperative that we elect hillary clinton as our next president. >> reporter: chelsea clinton is hop scotching college towns. >> why has it been so hard for your mom to do that? to get people your age to get behind her? >> well, dana, thank you for including me in the millennial demographic. i'm just in the older end. if we think about the younger millennials, we think only about 55% of 18 to 24-year-olds were even registered to vote at the beginning of 2016. so that says to me, we just need to be doing a better job collectively on making the case of what's at stake in this election. >> reporter: at east carolina university in north carolina, we heard why it's been so hard. >> what is your experience in getting your friends on the hillary clinton train? >> well, it's been pretty difficult, especially because a lot of young people, especially at ecu, were for bernie sanders.
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>> reporter: one sanders supporter challenged chelsea directly, saying the primary was rigged for clinton. >> what moral ground does hillary clinton have to stand on to continue running as the democratic nominee? >> i would hope as someone who clearly is a passionate supporter of senator sanders, that you'll listen to him directly and not rely on me to make the case. >> reporter: he really came to protest and walked out holding a sign for green party candidate jill stein. >> you don't really think jill stein can win, do you? >> i think we're going to establish party power and relevance for the green party by doing what we're doing. >> reporter: losing millennials to third party candidates is a dire concern for clinton. >> if you vote for someone other than hillary or if you don't vote at all, then you are helping to elect hillary's opponent. >> reporter: for some, that's working. eric jenkins was a sanders delegate who said the college affordability program convinced him. >> leveling out the cuts in colleges and states and making
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the federal government match it four-fold. >> but stroll through campus, it's clear clinton as work to do. >> who are you going to vote for? >> jill stein. >> hillary clinton. >> i'm undecided. >> reporter: one way the clinton campaign tracks how well she's doing with millennials is online sales of her merchandise. the cooler she is to young people, the more she tends to buy her campaign hats and t-shirts. aroundson? >> dana, thanks very much. up next, new details about a train crash at one of the busiest areas and what it was like onboard at the moments of impact. hey america,
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. i just saw people laying down and debris and metal all over the place and i looked clearer, i saw the train in the wall. i said oh, my god. so i ran over with everybody and i tried to go to help some people out of the train. >> more breaking news. the ntsb is investigating one of the deadliest crashes at the hoboken train station killing one woman and injuring a hundred others. the train's engineer was
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injured. we're learning more about him tonight. passengers said it didn't feel like the train slowed down as it entered the station. here's more. >> reporter: eyewitnesss say the new jersey commuter train went airborne before it slammed into the hoboken terminal during the busy commute. >> as soon as i heard it, it was in front of me, went through the bumper block, flew through the air and the depo. >> and all the sudden you hear the screaming and the disbelief. i saw the train slam. that's what -- i could not believe what i had seen there. >> a woman standing on the platform was killed by debris. more than 100 others were injured. over 70 people were hospitalized. >> sadly, we lost a hoboken resident today. it was a hoboken resident that was killed in this accident. >> a passenger riding in the vestibule between the first two cars said the train didn't appear to slow as it entered the
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station. >> i was hoping that the train would stop now, but it just doesn't stop. it kept going, and going, and going, and the next thing i know i'm on the floor and we slammed into something and when the train came to a stop, i could see the parts of the roof on the car and i could see some of the debris next to me. >> everyone that was standing in the vestibules between the first and second car flew over into the first car and many people were thrown and there was a lot of blood and people hurt. >> the hoboken facility is one of the busiest train stations in the new york area. a crucial rail hub, more than 15,000 new jersey commuters pass through every day. tonight, the ntsb and the federal railroad administration have dispatched teams to the crash site looking for answers to what the train operator was doing before the crash. albert gill is a former train conductor who worked at the hoboken station. >> it's all on the engineer?
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>> the engineer, if he blows through the signal there is a cap system inside the actual cab of that area he's operating that'll shut him down. by the time that system took over, it was too late. >> none of the new jersey transit trains are equipped with positive train control designed to automatically slow a train going too fast, but officials don't yet know how fast the train was traveling when it crashed. >> you don't jump to kochb collusi conclusions. you let the facts lead you to the conclusions. the train came in at much too high a rate of speed and the question is why is that and we won't know that for some in time. as soon as we know you can be assured we'll share it with the public. >> the engineer was named tonight. what do we know about him? has he spoken to investigators? >> anderson his name is thomas gallagher. he's 48 years old. new jersey transit officials say that he's been an employee of their system for 29 years. we have been told that he has
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cooperated with local investigators. he was cleared and released from the hospital earlier but as of early this evening, the ntsb had not interviewed him and they were eager to do so, anderson. also, we can tell you about this, a neighbor of his, named tom jones, told our affiliate wabc, he described the gallagher family as a fine family with wonderful kids, said they're very caring people about others, and this neighbor said it is just tragic what the gallagher family is going through right now. this neighbor said it was thomas gallagher's childhood dream to be an engineer. >> bryan todd, appreciate the update. we'll be right back. i love that my shop is part of the morning ritual around here.
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