presidential debate. six days to the next presidential debate. set your alarms. we have it covered. let's start with senior political reporter manu raju. catch us up on everything. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. before the debate, donald trump was on the upswing. polls showed him but now questions about whether donald trump paid questions and new questions also about his business record. >> he didn't pay any federal income tax. >> that makes him smart. >> reporter: after refusing to release his tax returns for months, donald trump. his campaign defending revelations "new york times" that trump once claimed a $916 million loss on his 1995 income tax return. which legally could have allowed trump to pay nothing in federal income taxes for nearly two decades. >> there's no one who has shown

more genius in their way to maneuver around the tax code. >> reporter: trump's high-profile advisors praising the gop business savvy. >> he's a genius. what he did was take advantage of something that could save his enterprise. >> reporter: trump himself tweeting that he knows the tax laws better than anyone and he is the only one who can fix them. >> trump goes around and says, hey, i'm worth billions and i'm a successful businessman, but i don't pay any taxes. you make 15 bucks an hour, you pay the taxes, not me. >> reporter: former new york mayor rudy giuliani defending the practice in a contentious exchange on cnn sunday. >> most americans take advantage of every deduction available to them. >> most americans pay federal income taxes, sir. >> reporter: trump campaigning in pennsylvania over the weekend. lobbying unfounded attacks against hillary clinton. despite warnings from gop leaders to stay away from

personal attacks. >> hillary clinton's only loyalty is through her financial contributors and to herself. i don't even think she's loyal to bill, if you want to know the truth. >> reporter: again, attempting to raise doubtsver clinton's health. >> here's a woman, she's supposed to fight all of these different things and she can't make it 15 feet to her car. >> reporter: mocking her recent bout of pneumonia. gi gi . >> give me a break. >> reporter: the candidate has paid hundreds and millions of dollars in other taxes, like property and real estate taxes but not yet denied the "times" report. >> let's bring in one of the journalists who helped uncover the revelations moogs megan tou.

what do you think the documents show? >> i think the most important thing, it's interesting, you know, you feel like you've struck gold as a reporter when you get tax returns from a specific year. i think what made these particular records so valuable to us was this net operating loss figure of nearly $960 million which had implications that weren't just limited to the year 1995 the year these tax returns were filed but implications for up to 18 years worth of taxes. >> back three years and then forward 15 and kind of prorating how that affects your income. you offset what you make by what you lost. >> that's exactly right. what we learned from the tax experts we retain from that period of time that we were trying to sort through this and figure out what it meant that this basically, this basically net operating loss of nearly $1 billion would allow mr. trump to avoid paying taxable income of

up to nearly $1 billion over that 18-year stretch. so, it was extremely significant. >> so, what does it mean in terms of his business or obligation tapay taxes because the spin cycle has it two ways. these are the rules, nobody is saying it is illegal. he did it. as it shows, he's smart. other people are saying, it shows he can't be that good at business and some type of failure to pay a fair share. how does the reporting review it? >> it's important to note that we didn't find any evidence of illegal activity on his part. and i think that what's happened and since the story published on saturday night it raised questions about donald trump's business success. i mean, this net operating loss came out of the sort of financial wreckage that he had wreaked in the early 1990s that was a result of his failed management of casinos in atlantic city and his, you know, basically ill-time foray into

the airline industry. you know, no doubt that this net operating loss came from what new jersey regulators at the time basically described as financial, you know, dire financial straits for mr. trump. is this a tax code? is this something that americans feel good about. that a wealthy businessman can basically finagle legally these losses into, you know, basically income tax, you know, coverage, for as many as 18 years. >> his retired tax planner. his accountant said that this return and dealing with this loss was one of his big regrets it said in your reporting. that he was helping mr. trump finance his lavish lifestyle without him paying any taxes. was that surprising to you to hear from a tax planner? >> my colleague was able to connect with trump's accountant, the man who prepared these records that came to us in the

mail anonymously. that was hugely important. and we're very grateful to him for confirming these records were authentic. we should point out that he declines to discuss the underlying finances that went into preparing. >> he needed approval. >> that's right. so, you know, he was, he was limited in what he said. i mean, he noted that it was, he couldn't help but remark note at the time that he was basically helping to somebody avoid paying taxes who apparently had made so much money. >> now, trump says the only headline here is that you broke the law. you published tax returns without his approval and a specific statute that says you're not allowed to publish tax records without approval. how did "new york times" feel they're on safe, legal ground? >> that's something that happened on saturday night. on saturday, you know, earlier on saturday we took our findings to the trump campaign and gave them until the evening to respond and their first response

was from a lawyer saying we're going to sue you guys if you publish this because he has not authorized the release of these tax records. we consulted with our attorneys immediately and they said you have absolute grounds to move forward with this. >> all right, so, you've been reporting either aspects of the election and the fallout from this and how trump handled it, namely, by going after hillary clinton's fidelity and marriage. stick around. we'll bring you in with the panel and discuss this. >> we will have much more on trump and his taxes coming up. how does trump's campaign explain his stance on taxes? our political panel weighs in, next. "credit karma, why are you checking your credit score?"

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daundl donald trump says his business practices to avoid paying taxes are absolutely genius. >> he lost almost $1 billion in 1995. >> correct. >> that doesn't sound particularly brilliant to me. >> yes, it does. it shows what a genius he is. he was able to preserve his enterprise and build it. >> no one who has shown more genius in their way to maneuver around the tax code as he

rightfully used the laws to do that. >> it's like the princess bride. you keep on using that word. i do not think it means what you think it means. >> let's bring back our panel. we want to bring in "new york times" reporter megan, errol lewis and alex burns. alex, let me start with you. if donald trump has not paid income tax since 1995, that is legal. that's a loophole and it's legal. so, what does this mean for his campaign? >> we should say, first of all, he has not denied the story or any of the implications of this story. we also aren't in a position to say that he has always paid his taxes in accordance with the law. >> he hasn't released them. >> we can't say he hasn't followed the law. we also can't say he has followed the law. i think it is really interesting to see if any other republicans outside the inner trump circle of people like chris christie and rudy giuliani decide to take

up this line his businessman and possibly not paying taxes for 18 years. this is not something you would typically imagine senators up for re-election and a congressman in a tough district and national leader of the party like paul ryan or mitch mcconnell out there saying this guy is a genius because he didn't pay taxes. >> you have the practicality side and. he is a genius, he rebuilt. to allow a business to not be put under by its losses. to give it some relief and build forward. that's not what trump did. he didn't save a big employee structure. a lot of people lost their jobs and contractors didn't get paid and he individually wound up resurrecting himself. that changes the analysis a little bit, doesn't it, megen? >> you're correct. i think we're all getting a crash course in the complicated nuances of the tax structure. this operating net loss was something that was able to flow

off the balance sheets of his businesses and on to his personal income tax. you know, what he was required to pay as an individual. so, while, you know, the businesses that were failing that helped lead to this loss were sort of hemorrhaging, you know, he personally was able to benefit. that raised a lot of legitimate questions about how that's allowed to happen. >> this story that was megan was part of the team reporting over the weekend is the most viewed, most shared, most e-mailed article of the weekend. has almost 5 million views this morning. is there any way to tell how donald trump supporters will see this? >> i don't know about donald trump supporters, but we know "fortune" news organization did a poll early this year asking whether or not his failure to disclose made you more or less likely to vote for him. the number that came in as less likely was pretty high. the 37% range and that was true not oonly for likely voters overall, but for independent voters. this is a group that donald trump, like hillary clinton, really needs to reach.

this is not, that was before we had these latest revelations. now that it's being blasted all over the media, one would expect and keep in mind people are voting today, people are voting tomorrow. tomorrow is election day in many, many states thanks to early voting laws. so, this is not good timing for this information. this is not good timing for the trump campaign to have to try to push back some of this stuff. and, obviously, we'll see the polls will tell us, the votes will tell us. but the fact that close to 40% already said that this doesn't make them likely to bite. >> so, you get early voting at a time and the list is long, but he may have said the most offensive thing yet about hillary clinton. also window into how he feels about this tax story. he says hillary clinton is only faithful to her donors. i don't even think she's faithful to bill clinton. obvious, obvious allegation that she's cheating on him in their

marriage. what does he expect to gain by something like that? >> you know, it's sort of difficult to know how to respond to something like that because he's -- of all the behavior that we've seen trump behave in -- >> of all the hypocrisy that he has revealed, this may top the list. >> just no evidence to substantiate that charge. just a blunt, personal smear. i don't know what he's thinking when he says something like that. this came as part of a rambling. really unusual speech where he said a bunch of different wild things over the weekend. i don't know that it's coincidental that the speech came as the attack story was about to be published. this is a guy who generally doesn't do well as an underdog. he can discipline himself up to a point when he's winning. he likes to be in charge of a situation. but when he starts to fall behind, you start to see him lash out in wild and unpredictable ways that more to the point damage a lot of other republicans around him. >> very interesting day.

we will be, of course, reporting everything that happened over the weekend and thanks for sharing your reporting with us. join us tomorrow night for the vice presidential debate. indiana governor mike pence and virginia senator tim kaine are going to face off at 9:00 p.m. eastern. coverage starts at 4:00 p.m. right here on cnn. kim kardashian shaken up after being robbed at gunpoint inside her paris hotel room. husband kanye west halting her show after hearing the news. we'll break down the reality tv star's real-life drama, next.

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deliberate, jim. what do we know? >> somebody knew a lot, chris. as they broke into the hotel, very discreet hotel behind me where stars stay when they come to paris. there were five that came with guns and also masks. they threatened the concierge and the concierge took them to the apartment of kim kardashian and stole her jewelry and walked off. no one was hurt, although kim kardashian said she was badly shaken. the first word of any of this came when kanye west, her husband, in fact, interrupted his concert last night. here's the way it went. >> i'm sorry. family emergency. i have to stop the show. >> so, family matters and now kim kardashian has rejoined her family. she left here a couple hours ago. we saw some visual evidence of that because of police cars out front out the hotel have been

withdrawn. alisyn. >> okay, jim, that's all just really weird. thank you for that. is the concierge supposed to take armed gunman up to the room, the suite of the person that they're looking for. >> but when you have a gun in your face -- >> isn't there a panic button or something they can hit. >> whether or not, if there is a gun in your face, the button isn't going to help you. >> there may be a who knew. who knew she was there because this had to be coordinated with this number of people. she supposedly had security that were overwhelmed by this, as well. there will be an investigation, that's for sure. meanwhile, the fourth sunday of the nfl season and none bigger than the falcons julio jones who had 300 yards receiving. i could go on, but let's bring in andy sholes. more on this morning's bleacher report. >> if you had julio jones on your fantasy team, you did pretty well this week. jones absolutely tore apart the panthers yesterday hauling in 12

catches for a falcons record 300 yards. now, matt ryan had 503 yards passing. first time in nfl history quarterback and runningback combined. falcons win this game and panthers 1-3 on the season. more bad news for carolina camnewton left the game in the fourth quarter after he suffered a concussion. first time in eight years the ryder cup is coming home. the u.s. beat the european team over the weekend and roy mcilroy had an epic exchange. rory yells to the crowd in minnesota, watch this. i can't hear you. well, reed comes back with an awesome putt of his own and he's going to give rory the finger wag. all the u.s. players kissing their wives/girlfriends after the win. >> that's a funny picture. >> huge win for the u.s. in the

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"it's just an alert from credit karma. they help me with this whole--being an adult thing." "credit karma seriously helped you feel like an adult?" "yeah." "free credit monitoring?" "i feel like it's working all ready." "credit karma. give yourself some credit." >> he hasn't released his tax returns which means he's not that rich, not that charitable or has never paid taxes in his life. >> warmer. this morning we're taking a look at the impact the media is having on the presidential race, not just tv news and print journalism but comedy shows like "saturday night live." joining us now senior media correspondent and host of "reliable sources" and bill carter. gentlemen, great to see you. >> good morning. >> very entertaining.

"saturday night live" camp comes back with vengeance. they do the debate and alec baldwin now playing trump. does it have an impact on the race, bill? >> i don't know if you can one to one and say it will change anybody's opinion. but it certainly confirms a narrative in people's heads. is trump saying outrageous things? yes. i think what baldwin brought was not just an impression. everybody does an impression of trump. he's doing a caricature which is another level, you know, like a cartoon, but now a caricature of him. >> satire. >> exactly. brings it to the level of satire. >> brian, one of the big things. what was your take on "snl." what did you think of this? >> he is doubling down on what we believe is true we see every day. trump strayed so far from the truth that he exaggerates so often and that was the fundamental take away from alec baldwin's support. >> trump is saying to

supporters, the media is out to get me. you are seeing that just like every other institution in america today. the media has suffered a credibility hit in no small part thanks to the efforts of donald trump telling everybody we're bias and what is the possible positive and negative aspect? >> it's a selfish act saying you can't trust anything you read or anything you hear except what comes out of his mouth. most recently the debate commission and google, but he's been delegitimizing the media all along. the media critic at new york university. he says what's happened is some gop voters are opting out of journalism. they have concluded that all journalism is about trying to elect hillary clinton. the four of us, we know it's not. but we have to do an even better job trying to convince people what we really stand for and why we're really here. >> i don't know how we do that, bill. it's before trump. people, obviously, have found their echo chamber.

they go to because now you can go to conservative media and liberal media and you can go to main stream media. >> you go for your opinion to be reinforced. >> everybody gets their opinion reflected back at them. what happened is we have this wildly pifurcated journalistic system. this is gallup from september 7th through 11th. >> don't say it, it is too depressing. >> how few people trust journalism right now. 32% have a great deal or fair amount of trust. that's good. 14% of republicans only 14% express trust is down from 32% just last year. >> yeah, well, always been that narrative. the media is out to get the republicans. they use that narrative over and over again. but this race is different because this started out with the media being attacked for supporting trump. for building him up. so, you have a double whammy here. first we build him up and now we're tearing him down. instead of just saying we're covering the guy. you know both sides -- >> the coverage when he entered the race was actually quite

skeptical. there was a lot of aggressive coverage, but a ton of it. >> two things, right? always a little bit of truth in everything. one is there is a lefty bias. i would argue that this is much more right skewed than bipa isan. i don't think it's just echo chambers for the left the way it is for the right. there is a known echo chamber for the right. there's not a known one for the left. nbc has some commentators but a news organization at the end of it. but there is a lefty bias that the media has not dealt with. but within it, i believe there is an opportunity. if you want to be a hammer and get after people, there is an opportunity when others will not. i see these numbers in a way as an ability to play to an advantage. >> i do think if you look at this race, clearly the media has reacted to trump in a way that we've not seen before. but trump is a candidate. or he's never been vetted the way other candidates have been vetted. financial background is fodder. and i think you also have to remember something else. what is the worst constituency

for trump now? college educated people. who in the media hasn't been to college? that constituency is already there in the media, i think. >> even a built-in bias. >> built-in skepticism. >> some commentaries are treating trump like he is an infection and journalists are acting like a body trying to fight off that infection. a lot of journals. most journals very, very concerned about the donald trump presidency. >> that's because in the media, in journalism, our job is to point out hypocrisy. our job is to point out inconsistencies. our job is to point out lies. >> this is not a 50/50 race. >> that's not bias. that's actually our mission statement. >> donald trump sounded unhinged at that rally on saturday night. if we don't tell viewers that, we're advocating our responsibility. >> he had compelling points to make and also very entertaining. but times when he sounded unhinged. >> he has awakened the suspicion in the big part of this country that the media is lefty and ignores things of the left and

ignores hillary clinton's things. the media saying, hey, these two aren't equal. what he says is way more absurd than anything we heard before and in a lot of people's minds, you're protective of her and exposing of her. >> i think they will vote for him anyway. i don't know how that gets new voters. >> i want the audience to hold us accountable on that point. social media in some ways have eroded trust in media. we can win people back one by one. >> we certainly hear them every day. bill, brian, thank you very much. donald trump and hillary clinton making plenty of claims on the campaign trail. what can we believe? up next, we try to do our part and we check in with politifact to separate fact from fission. 4? and i'm jamie foxx for sprint. pretty much the same coverage if you squint. you are not jamie foxx! sprint is last nationally in 4g lte coverage. well, who is going to notice? what about the left side of the country, huh?

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a powerful hurricane, matthew, is expected to slam jamai jamaica, haiti and eastern cuba today. the storm is packing winds of over 130 miles an hour and the torrential rain that goes along with it. 4 million living on the east coast. they're waiting to see whether this storm comes their way afterwards. cnn meteorologist chad myers

tracking the very latest. obviously, we're worried about these vulnerable communities in the caribbean. what could happen here in the overall track? >> you know, millions of people here at risk from a catastrophic hurricane. storm surge wind and rain 30 inches. significant loss of life, i think, here in the caribbean as matthew comes up across haiti and into cuba. but here's where we are right now. here's what we're talking about. we are talking about a storm that may impact the u.s. east coast. far south as florida. th we're not out of the woods yet as u.s. citizens as this storm continues to be a major hurricane. where do we go from here? we start to see the storm roll through the caribbean. this is the spaghetti models and we talk about how the models are all different. very few hit the u.s. except the uk model very close. i'll just talk about the european model and then the american model slightly off

shore. look how close. we cannot take our eye off the ball here because this is going to be a storm with a slight left turn with a major impact on the u.s. regardless, alisyn, the waves and the swells could be 12 to 15 feet crashing onshore from florida to the carolinas even with a miss and that could cause loss of life in that water. it will be a dangerous week on the east coast. >> all right, chad, we know you'll keep an eye on it for us. in this campaign one party's truth is often another's fiction. there are organizations designed to keep things fact based and one is politifact. we have the editor with us she will walk us through the latest candidate claims. good morning, angie. >> good morning. thanks for having me. hillary clinton up first. she was on the trail. no, this is actually during the debate and she was talking about what caused the recession eight years ago. listen to this. >> remember where we were eight years ago. we had the worst financial

crisis, the great recession. the worst since the 1930s. that was in large part because of tax policies that slashed taxes on the wealthy, failed to invest in the middle class, took their eyes off of wall street and created a perfect storm. >> okay. angie, how do you rate that? the recession was caused in large part because of taxes. >> we rated this mostly false. now, this caught our attention because we hadn't heard this argument before. we went to the economists that we talk to on these matters and even the left leaning ones said tax policy, not really the issue. it was the housing bubble and poor regulation of financial markets and banks taking on too much risk. but nobody thought that tax policy was an issue. maybe it contributed to some income inequality. you could criticize the tax policy on other grounds. but contributing to the

financial crisis, nobody seemed to buy that. mostly false. >> it's curious that hillary clinton used that at the debate because, as you say, that has not been the narrative for years and the fact that she went there against what, sort of traditional economists say is just curious at the debate. do you guys look into anything like that in terms of why? >> it's hard to know their motivation sometimes. maybe it was a spur of the moment, turn of phrase. i'm not sure. it will be interesting to see if she repeats this. sometimes we fact check these things and you wonder if the candidates say, that didn't work. >> next up, donald trump at the debate. he talked about hillary clinton giving uranium to russia. listen to this. >> she even gave up 20% of america's uranium supply to russia. to russia. you know what people do with uranium, don't you.

it's called nuclear. >> angie, how do you rate this? >> this one is mostly false. it's a complicated story, but i'll boil it down here. there was a private company based in toronto that wanted to sell itself to a russia-controlled company. the toronto company owned uranium mines in the united states. so they had uranium capacity. so, trump said supply. that's not right. well, there's a regulatory process that happens for this kind of thing. the u.s. government has to approve this kind of sale. it went through the process. nine federal agencies had to review it. the state department was one. it did get approved. now, that, what role hillary clinton had in all of that is very small. trump is overpersonalizing a long bureaucratic process. and i should finally add russia can export russia from the united states because it doesn't hold the proper licenses.

russia wanted the company most likely because of uranium holdings in kazakhstan but another country entirely. mostly false. >> angie, thank you very much. we appreciate you doing all of this fact checking and then sharing it with us on "new day." nice to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> let's get over to chris. >> hopefully the facts still matter. here's another one. donald trump may have avoided paying federal tax for nearly two decades. what does this mean to his campaign, next. touches sticks . make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.

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in an odd twist russian officials are warning the u.s. not to interfere in syria. they say it would have negative consequences across the middle east and they insist trying to depose syrian president al assad would create a power vacuum filled by "terrorists." this as russian-backed forces in syria made gains in aleppo after bombing another hospital. the beleaguered city has one fully functioning hospital. a woman who lost her husband in the 9/11 attacks has filed a lawsuit against saudi arabia.

the first suit filed against the saudis following a congressional vote to override president obama's veto allowing such legal action. she claims the saudis were aware of al qaeda's plot to attack the u.s. and are partially responsible for the death of her husband. columbian leaders meeting this morning to figure out what to do next after voters rejected a peace deal. it took four years for both sides to hmer out that deal and now negotiators have to go back to the drawing board. the conflict has lasted more than 50 years. it cost an estimated 220,000 lives. kim kardashian west robbed at gunpoint in her paris hotel room. she was locked in the bathroom while armed men posing as police officers stole cell phones and jewelry worth millions of dollars. the reality star is shaken but uninjured. her husband, kanye west, left the stage during a festival. we're just five weeks out

from the election and donald trump has yet another political mess to clean up. "new york times" obtaining tax documents that show a lost of $916 million in 1995. what does that mean? it means a lot about his business practices but also his tax existed. he may not have had to pay for close to two decades. we have errol lewis, bill carter. we want to point out that trump surrogate and former new york city mayor rudy giuliani are supposed to be sitting where they are. he has not showed up yet for the interview. we hope the mayor is okay and that he comes to the show soon. so, let's discuss in his absence. thank you for the quick call to duty here. errol, nothing illegal about finding ways to net operating losses and this is an unusually large one. but what are the implications in term of the campaign of donald trump? >> well, a couple of implications. one is that the hillary clinton campaign has teed up, ready-made

argument that they're going to use again and again. we saw it in the debate and it's also important for us to understand that when donald trump talks about tax policy, an instant rejoiner. it may have taken away one of his key selling points. he has talked about the way that he as an insider could understand the tax code and tweak it, transform it and overhaul it to the benefit of working class americans. he has an extra burden to prove that he can and will do that. what he really could have done all along is disclosed this and other sort of unpleasant information and said, look, i understand the tax code. here's how i'm going to change it so nobody can do what i just did, again. it's not right and it's not fair. it's not the right way to run the country or the tax code. he hasn't said any of that. so, by saying so little, i think he'll create a lot of problems for himself. >> alex, isn't he sort of saying that. his surrogates are saying he's

genius. who wants to pay more taxes? who volunteers to pay more taxes. this is legal, they found a loophole. he had a fiduciary duty to his employees and their shareholders they're saying. not to pay more taxes. how does that argument wash with voters? >> well, that last argument is really just questionable on a factual basis. we're talking about his purse naltaxes. >> it's wrong. these aren't corporate taxes, these are personal taxes. he did nothing to benefit employees by taking the loss on his personal income. >> benefits him and his immediately family members. >> they are making it. >> they're making the dishonest case that he did this to protect the shareholders and investors in his company, which is just not the case, right. i do think that, you know, if trump is going to persuade voters that all of this ultimately reflects well on him, he has a heck of a sales job because just on its face, people are offended when investors and

people who are in finance like mitt romney pay a lower tax rate than the average american. romney's tax rate was something like 15% or 16% which is a good deal lower than somebody like you or me who are paying taxes on a regular income. people are typically offended by that. voters for applauding you for paying zero, this is a political matter. we've never seen any precedent for that. >> it's important to note that only his staunchest supporters are calling this genius. nobody is. and it hasn't been handled well politically because as errol said, he should have gotten out in front of it. saying two things in response. one, clinton did the same thing. they, on their 2015 tax return, they have a carry forward loss of some $700,000. it's legal. people do it. that's right. but to do it where it lasts for two decades is unusual. the second thing they're saying is it's illegal and it shows that the media is bias because

"new york times" is committing a crime by publishing this. is that true? >> well, technically, you're not supposed to publish private, you know, tax returns. but it's also been proven in previous cases like the pentagon papers that when you have a national interest and you get information this way, which is, you didn't break into the irs and steal these documents. they came to the attention of the "new york times" and they felt it was in the national interest to do it. we think the "new york times" went out and paid for this. that would be a problem. of course, i worked at "new york times" and that's not ever going to be the case. >> they got it in their mail anonymously with a return address of the trump foundation, organization. >> trump tower. >> so, somebody could have just dumped it in the mailbox. >> that doesn't really mean anything. >> hillary clinton has also been in the news, also, obviously, this weekend. there was a leaked audio file that the "washington free beacon" a conservative website

put out where hillary clinton is talking about, this is back in, i think, february, talking about bernie sanders supporters that some see in a derogatory way. let's listen. >> some are new to politics completely. they're children of the great recession and they are living in their parents' basement. they feel that they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves. d they don't see much of a future. i think we all should be really understanding of that and we should try to do the best we cannot to be, you know, a wet blanket on idealism. you want people to be idealistic and set big goals and take what we could achieve now and try to present them as bigger goals. >> bernie sanders responded to this, errol, over the weekend, where she's right. they don't see much of a future. he sort of did her a favor by saying he didn't take offense at this. what is the impact? >> it's interesting.

you know who else said that, paul ryan. go back to listen to his 2012 convention speech he said something quite similar. people living up in their old room with an obama hope poster falling off the wall and wondering when their life was going to start and so forth. look, bernie sanders pointed out that he knows what fueled his rise. what fueled his rise was exactly what hillary clinton was just talking about. the children of the great recession. burdened with student loans. no job opportunities or nothing, nothing close to what they felt that they had been promised. i mean, it's genuine. the polls pick it up. the voting behavior picks it up. i don't think there is any political fallout for her other than the fact that these people might now become jill stein or gary johnson voters which depending on the state we're talking about could be a problem. >> the reason the "washington beacon" put this out saying she is disrespecting the burners.

does it take? >> i think it's always uncomfortable when people and groups hear themselves described to third parties behind closed doors like this. we heard a little bit of it with the whole deplorables speech that she gave. this is not something that was even remotely as incendiary of those comments about donald trump supporters. but we forget part of that speech was talking about donald trump's support coming from people who don't see an economic future for them selves and the need to empathize with those people. talking about you and people like you in general terms is always unsettling for people and hillary clinton's job to reassure sanders as it was before this audio file that she does get them and want to support them. >> panel, thank you very much. >> bill carter, free breakfast for you if you find rudy giuliani. a lot of news the whereabouts of rudy giuliani

just one story on "new day" we're covering. let's get to it. >> ask yourself. why won't he release his tax returns? >> you can't learn that much from tax returns, i can tell you. >> no one who has shown more genius. >> if not paying taxes make him smart, what does that make the rest of us? >> she's supposed to fight all of these different things and she can't make it 15 feet to her car. give me a break. >> remember, friends don't let friends vote for trump. >> both parties are trying to brain wash the american public into thinking everybody has to vote rod. >> the wasting vote is voting for somebody that you don't believe in. this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. welcome to your "new day." his campaign is in damage control after the "new york times" revealed he may have legally skirted paying federal income taxes for nearly two

decades. now, some of trump's staunch supporters are calling him a genius from figuring out how to do his taxes this way. he is a business failure. a lot at stake. only 36 days left in this election. there's only one day until the vp debate. just six days until the next so, we have all the implications and news coverage. let's begin with senior political reporter manu. >> remember donald trump had been on an upswing. polls showed him beating hillary clinton and then got into a day's long with a latina beauty queen. and about this $1 billion loss in a single year that shines a new light on his own business record. >> he didn't pay any federal income tax. so -- >> that makes me