no o secret, not terribly well guarded. >> someone knew she was there. thanks so much. kim kardashian has left paris, gone and said to be doing well. thank you all for joining us at this hour. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. thank you, john. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thanks for sharing time with us today. only monday and noon ear in the east. donald trump appears to be changing his tone as he opens the weenchk. >> hillary clinton's only experience in cyber security involves her scream to violate national law, engineering a massive cover-up and putting the entire nation in harmal w aharm >> tough words, yes, but a far cry from this. >> she's got bad temperament. she's got -- she could be crazy. she could actually be crazy. >> it's a big week ahead as

trump tries to regain his footing and as the vice-presidents's candidates get their big chance on the debate stage. >> this is a choice, men and women, are whether or not we're going to continue to go downhill to a weaker america on the world stage. >> you can't spend your whole life hiring lawyers to evade paying taxes and then suddenly at age 70 say, boy, i'm going to be great for the vets. been stiffering them all my life but i'm going to be great for the vets now. >> with us to share their reporting and insights, and from politico and cnn correspondents. last week was a bad fweeshg donald truweek for donald trump. history, in 2012 donald trump posted this graphic on twitter. half americans don't pay taxes despite crippling national debt. the suggestion, is there a lot of free loaders out there? turns out donald trump may well be one of them. the "new york times" obtained

copies of one year of trump's state filings claim $1ds billion losses, in 1995. because of that tax experts told the times he could have avoid paying federal income taxes nearly two decades. his campaign is threatening to sue the newspaper but surrogates tell you this is exactly why you should vote for trump. >> there's no one who's shown more genius in their way to maneuver around the tax code and to rightfully use the laws to do thavgts the man's a genius. he knows how to operate the tax code for the benefit of the people he's serving. >> the man's a genius. there's that old metaphor, making chicken salad out of -- but what -- but what are they going to say, i guess? the trump campaign, any indication he'll decide, okay, here's the rest of my taxes put these in context? they don't deny authenticity but the "new york times" obtained illegally, maybe we'll see you. the hillary clinton has a brand new ad out, turn it around, bring it you.

where it's headed? >> he's not going to release his tax returns i am willing to predict that. but look at -- what's the up side for him? releasing his tax returns? is he going to win a single voter over a single undecided voter over? and i think, though, that the bigger question for him as people begin to process this is, not even so much that he used the breaks that are available in the law, but that they were born of a gigantic business failure in the middle of the 1990s. the economy was booming, and somehow he managed to have that chicken salad moment with his businesses. >> his casinos losing money, airline a failure, had, the palace hotel and other real estate investments went bad. it happens. he's in a big business. big business safety monis a lot. to your point ashes bad you're, you are a smart businessman he could prove he had good years by showing other years. right? >> but he isn't going to do that

or being a surrogate. no harder job in politics being a surrogate. >> though only three of them. >> to glenn's point, striking how a few members of congress or governors, he has out there, working for him and he literally has about half dozen surrogates. from prominent members of american politics. huge gains. those people, sitting members of congress invisible. extraordinary. >> filled by newt gingrich, rudy giuliani and chris christie, in in sways , in in sways s in sways ome ways iterations of donald trump. saying the same thing and saying exactly what trump says about himself, that he's a genius. >> say he's a genius. very frustrating, not just for us, news organizations asking for clarity, context, explain the laws, what loopholes, deductions legally. no indications donald trump did anything illegal here but

frustrating for republicans. a lot of candidates throughout for congress and senate and governor and they get asked about this stuff and when you talk to their campaigns they say, when they reach out to the trump campaign they get the same talking points. he took advantage, didn't do anything wrong. took advantage of loopholes available and paid very little or nothing, that makes him smart. >> and most americans don't want to pay taxes anyway or pay as few as possible. that's what donald trump was doing. the problem, they'll hear about this in television ads. priorities usa cut an ad they're playing in some of these battleground states. featuring a woman in ohio where she's talking about donald trump playing by different rules. she had to pay taxes. he's not supporting veterans, not is a importanting schools. tough to get out of this and hillary clinton brought this up in that debate. this is going to continue to dog him. i think you're right. he's not going release his taxes but more questions, who would you want as president and would

he close loopholing allowing him to take advantage of this large tax write-off in the early '90s? apparently no if you look at his tax plan. >> they have him from both ends of the income scale. he stiffed the united states government. their agent. also an incredible weight of evidence that he stiffed vendors who worked for him. i thought that was actually one of the more powerful moments of the ho hoff tr hofstra debate. i have people write mere, stiffed, father owned an antique store, grabbed a $2,000 lamp and said, i'll pay you later, only after several months he actually paid up. something that contributes to a narrative of this guy stiffing people. >> saying he's for the little guy and being a hypocrite and to the old tweet, sends out a tweet saying half of the americans why aren't you paying taxes?

in debt. hillary clinton said, tim kaine, too, before you jump in, to your point about the surrogates. talking points from the campaign, god bless them. we all want loyal supporters. chris christie saying, people saying explain this loss? i thought he was a great businessman? donald trump's calling card i will do for the government what i did for my business. asking for details and you get this. >> this is actually a very, very good story for donald trump. you know, about the losses. the fact is that this is a guy who rebuilt his entire business empire after the recession in the early 1990s, wrote the art of the comeback. let me tell you, america needs a comeback and we need somebody like donald trump to lead that comeback. >> again, an easy way to prove it. if there's a great comeback, let's see 1996, 1997, 1998, and so on and so forth, and you can prove the comeback story, but you're willing to bet, from "the washington post," willing to boat steve bezos fortune?

>> willing to bet anybody else's but mine. yeah. again what is the upside to releasing his tax returns? especially what's the upside five weeks before the election? >> some indication since the debate, though, that hillary clinton is gaining nationally in polls and key swing states. might they get to a point where they see this pressure? >> why you see him this morning on the clip you played at the intoe to the show. moving on now to the e-mails. right? moving on to living off the land territory where you reach for whatever message that day falls into your lap. last week it was bernie sanders dissed by hillary on this hacked tapes and trying to find way to change the topic. one fast point, though, for hillary. if there is a sort of -- a cloud, a silver lining for her, she almost has to pick, because there's so much out there for her. does she want to prosecute a populist case against donald

trump and portray him as hurting the little guy? getting way with stuff that average americans can't, or do you want to do what she has been doing. much more gender and race and saying this guy is an outright lier in american life in 2016 and this is going to set us back. >> get a sense of that. in ohio, we'll get a sense of that. they say they're going to, my words, channel an elizabeth warren and have a populist, after the epipen maker, wells fargo and donald trump as a businessman. before you jump in what she's done on twitter. tweets are priceless. hillary clinton again trying to get under donald trump's skin as she did to a degree in the debate. can man who lost a billion dollars in one year stiff small businesses to glenn's point and paid no taxes maybe claiming he's good at business? and then says, again, i think this is designed to sort of goad trump into saying more. according to the "new york times," trump pay contribute more to our college students and military than he wants to deport

the undocumented immigrants. >> she goes after the very points about donald trump's biography he is most proud of and punctures them. i think that whoever they have on the campaign who's studying his psychological profile know that this is the single most guaranteed way to force him to erupt and you know, at 3:00 in the morning, that's what he's worried about. >> and they did that early in that first debate. jit her second answer was about his wealth inherited from his father, $14 million. >> his daddy's money. >> and from there pretty much off the rails. in some ways to jonathan's point, it's sort of all of the above. go with the race stuff, gender stuff as well as puncture an idea a populist out for the little guy and even barack obama talks about this. he said in one of his speech, all of a sudden donald trump is for the little guy, but you couldn't rent a place in one of his condo buildings.

you couldn't get on his golf course, which i think is a pretty powerful message here as they try to get older voters, millennial voters as well as some of those working-class whites. >> this isn't just a matter of attacking donald trump's psyche. hillary clinton understands this psychology herself. she is having a big kick over the last couple of days. she is doing unto him as others have done unto her for a lot of years. to karen's point in 2007 i sat down with her before the election, the race, really took hold and she said to me, the blood sport aspect of running for the president is that they attack you on your strengths. and she spoke about that in a defensive way. what we're seeing right now is her being able to flip that around and turn it on donald trump. >> we'll see if, what happens. which trump we get this week. see if we get a disciplined trump, campaigned about 3,472 times. get a disciplined trump and then he sewed, up next to the countdown clock. and then he goes off script.

started out today, military cyber security event. tone more somber and dismal. we'll see what happened. saw what happened sunday night. pressure gets you in a president's campaign. watching it play out. donald trump stays perfect on the trail this week, an issue in the vice presidential debate tomorrow night. hillary clinton will bring it up again with new information on taxes in the next debate next sunday night and here you live in a swing state you're about to see this. >> i'm hillary clinton and ai prove this message. >> you work hard. you pay your taxes. so why didn't donald trump pay his? he claims he's worth $10 billion. but a new report shows he may not have paid any federal taxes for almost 20 years. >> he didn't pay any federal income tax. if he's paid -- >> that makes him smart. >> if he thinks that makes him smart what does he think of you? >> how stupid are the people of the country? >> i'm hillary clinton -- >> well, if you're a trump supporter you don't like that, but that's a powerful ad.

>> yep. you know, from that debate you felt like it was going to be an ad, when he said that makes me smart. now you've got ammunition with the "new york times" reporting, this october surprise that land right in the middle of a really bad tailspin for donald trump. >> think about, a presence of mind to move off her talking point. that makes me smart and stop, excuse me. what did you just say? that not paying taxes makes you smart. i want the people of america to hear thatcan you imagine the impact if she had gotten off-script and gone after him? >> i'm guessing she'll try again. >> her experience takes hold. from the lazio experience, infamous lew crossed the stage. i interviewed her in april about this, the key on a debate stage is not what you say. it's how you react, and in that moment, i didn't want to stop this guy from making the biggest mistake of his career. she has the same attitude in terms of -- >> treting point. sit tight. up next, donald trump getting

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and, really, folks, really, why should she be. right? >> now his adviser say it's all fair game because hillary clinton calls trump a sexist and misogynist, but many other republicans worry it's a strategy certain to exacerbate trump's already deep problems with women voters. this might not help either. >> don't you think a man who has this kind of economic genius is a lot better for the united states than a woman and the only thing she's produced is a lot of work for the fbi checking out her e-mail jgs. >> that was rudy giuliani playing the role of archie bunker. i mean, we're laughing about this, but there's a presidential election in 36 days. >> yeah. >> and maybe that's not what he meant, but it kind of the tone -- >> a woman. >> this woman, how about, secretary clinton, or this, the democrat, or his opponent. why does it have to be "this woman"? >> because she's in their heads.

rudy, i am old enough, i had hair at the time i was covering it, to cover rudy giuliani's almost race again hillary clinton in 2000. he's clearly got a score to settle, but this is not the man you want out there discussing women's issues. you know, my moment of the week last week was when giuliani and newt gingrich on the same day were discussing women's body image issues having to do with the miss universe controversy. again, it gets back to the fact that guy can't have anybody standing on the stage with him who doesn't directly reflect him. >> i'm old enough to remember, too, and didn't rudy giuliani blink, choose not to run? >> yeah. >> you had your chance. had his chance. he didn't -- he didn't run. >> and these are the people rounding donald trump and talking to him about this campaign. you've got roger stone, of course, too, who has all sorts of theories about the clintons' marriage. >> and area 51. >> yeah. and newt gingrich, rudy giuliani and donald trump between them have had nine wives.

so it's -- you know -- >> the thick about going after the clintons' marriage it has been tried and tried and tried, and just a reminder that in december of 1998 when the congress was about to impeach bill clinton, hillary clinton's favorables went up to 66% in pew. so why are they deciding this is the right moment to go back and remind the country of the last moment it was truly sympathetic towards hillary clinton? >> here's your answer, not saying it's a good answer, here's your answer from rudy giuliani. he says it's not just about bill clinton. it's about hillary clinton. >> after she called him a racist, a misogynist, a xenophobic, i don't know, schizophrenic and no know what else at the end of that debate, i think it's fair game. i am saying the problem with hillary clinton has nothing to

do as far as i'm concerned her marriage. it's her protection of bill clinton for 20 or 25 years against allegations of rape, taking advantage of an intern and going on the attack and trying to make those women appear to be insane in some cases. >> it's called biting the forbidden fruit. right? they're just overwhelmed by the temptation. it's out there. trump likes to operate with the politics of the personal. right? he's not going after her because her, know, highway plant isn't scored by cvo. this is what he wants to do. get down and sort of gutter-level politics. the fact is, though, that he knows that the approach he took in the first 20 minutes of that debate is better off. hammer -- >> why won't he do it? >> hammer her for being a political insider 30 years and reflecting the status quo they know is did politics. why can't he do it? >> his moat effective moment. >> because he wants to hit back on personal stuff, not policy. >> but why? >> because -- >> he can't help it.

>> because she hit him where it hurts and he can't stop talking about it, and obsessed with it, too. the guys around him, too. >> my colleague on friday, which was, she wants to be nasty. i can be nastier. it's not about winning votes or -- he just wants to come out atop of the argument. that's what he does. who he is. you know? >> and also a feeling in that circle that it wasn't prosecuted the right way back in the '90s. if in the '90s it was too much about hillary clinton's, or bill clinton's infidelities, hillary clinton was the victim. if they can transfer is now to her somehow being the bad american in this, an enabler, then it's a new audience, it's a different kind of country now. i mean, that's the -- i'm knotty it will work but i think that's their bet. >> the fact between rudy giuliani and donald trump we're talking about six marriages and the clintons are still on their first one. still on their starter marriage. and i do think -- and by the way, when she ran for the senate, a lot of women voters in new york did have a problem with

this, and she had to have a lot of sessions in people's living rooms where she would take questions from women, why did you stay with him? i do think that -- it wasn't like the whole country wasn't paying attention in the '90s, and maybe you can argue that the millennials we s weren't paying attention. it's not like we haven't all been here before. >> do we think, we have a big debate. he lost the first debate, it's clearly under his skin. the next big one is next sunday night. get to the vice president debate in a minute. clues should, have done in the first debate, doing it in the seconded. is that real or to get these conversations, get on television, people talking about bill clinton's history, see if it sticks, if it's out there and what does he know preparing for the second one? does he really think that's the best argument about the clins ss in the '90s, as opposed to what was effective. she's been around forever, won't

deliv deliver change because she's part of the problem. >> i don't think this is about debate sta teachry. i think this is what the guy wants to talk about. i think we are witnessing a presidential nomination as self-expression. this dude wants to talk about this stuff. she kpemed ed t question compelled to talk about it, and that 30-year argument he made at that debate in the first 20 minutes was really effective. i was talking, direct messaging with clinton people at the time and they were worried about that. it is a mystery to me from any political perspective why this guy isn't just hitting that again. the other thing about it, did you hear him talk about the clinton foundation once during the debate at hofstra? >> no. or benghazi. >> left a lot of opportunities on the table. >> the single most important thing to know about the second debate is it's a town hall format meaning half of the questions in that debate are going to come from members of the audience, all of whom are undecided voters. and so a voter asks you, how are you going to guarantee that

social security will be there for me? you cannot then say, well let's talk about monkia lewinsky. >> much harder. easier to do that. much more difficult someone looking at you, i lost my job, my brother or sister is serving in iraq or afghanistan right now. everybody sit tight. a lot more to talk about. new audio proves hillary clinto supporters. what does brns think? bernie sanders think? and on this side it's tennessee. no matter which state in the country you live in, you could save hundreds on car insurance by switching to geico. look, i'm in virginia... i'm in tennessee... virginia... tennessee... and now i'm in virginessee. see how much you could save on car insurance. or am i in tennaginia? hmmm...

welcome back. maybe over the weekend you tracked the basement baristas debate. bernie sanders is with her. >> if you listen to the whole discussion that she had, a very important point that she made is that a lot of young people who went into debt, worked very hard to get a good education, get out of school and can't find jobs commensurate with the education that they received. >> now, at issue was this hacked audio recording of hillary clinton discussing sanders supporters at a fund-raiser. >> some are new to politics

completely. their children of the great recession, and they are live income their parents' basement. >> now, if you listen to snippets of it, just listen to snippets of it, it were sound a little condescending, but if you listen to it in its entirety, here's what clinton campaign would say is the important context. >> i think we all should be really understanding of that, and we should try to do the best we cannot to be, you know, a wet blanket on idealism. you want people to be idealistic, you want them to set big goal, but to take what we can achieve now and try to present them as bigger goals. >> now, trump saying that this is a horrific attack on sanders' support e s they should support him or gary johns are or jill stein, just so they don't support hillary clinton. >> if you listened to the whole thing, it's her explaining that she's a pragmatic progressive

what she said in the debate. this doesn't help her. millennials are starting to shift a little in some of these state-by-state polls, parked with gary johnson and jill stein and this doesn't help. >> johnson is losing ground in the national polls. we had a poll out today that showed that there really was not net loss that clinton was getting from johnson, that it seems to be relatively evenly split in terms of where he's throwing support but she has a significant rising in the west. johnson is doing well in colorado, home state, his pro-weed message is resonant with young people and the majority of votes is coming from younger voters. she's okay right now, but if that leeching still continues, you know that could present a problem for her up the road. >> one of the striking parts of that audio, if you listen to it all, was, candidates when they're behind closed doors like that often tell the truth, and she sort of let slip she

actually is truly a conventional center-left democrat. it was jarring to hear that at first. no. just fascinating. so much epoch liptic talk about the end of america and the trump folks leaped on this for reasons you mentioned. they wanted to use it to tamp down the sort of bernie crowd enthusiasm and point out the fact she's kind of a centrist in american politics and that her election wouldn't, yes, move that much from the status quo, but it wouldn't destroy america, either, necessarily. and so if you're trump, which do want to have? sort of being not a real lefty in turns off the bernie folks or have her, you know, being a real threat to america? it's kind of hard to have both. >> schae been trying, if you watch the past week, pretty methodical. new hampshire, sat in ohio and iowa, excuse me, for early 1r 9 voting. went to charlotte, going to go and the mayor said, please,

don't come now. no time for this now. but did go down yesterday. these a grandmother but can't quite understand what the people in charlotte and other african-american communities are going through. >> i'm grandmother, and like every grandmother i worry about the safety and security of my grandchildren, but my worst are not the same as black grandmothers. who have different and deeper fears about the world that their grandchildren face. >> an important visit for her. one, let's stop a second. mr. trump going well and hope he strikes the right tone as well. after something like this leaders should visit a community that's going through this. be honest. north carol kar carolina one of states and the african-american community, turnout is critical for her. >> turnout.

exactly. the issue is not so much the great danger african-american or younger voters will go to is some our candidate. it is that they are not going to show up at all. north carolina is one of those states where if you look at the numbers, old people and young people have the biggest disparity in their voting patterns in north carolina. much more so even than other states. so if older people show up and younger people don't, she is sunk. so her challenge is convincing these parts of the obama coalition that this election matters. and that it really does make a difference whether you show up or not. >> does it help that we talk about political endorsements. does it help lebron james, celebrity athlete, pride of akron and hero in cleveland because of the championship for the cavs, endorsed her over the weekend. a lot of work to be done across our great country. we need a president who understands our community and will build on the leg siacy of president obama? >> and mate the front page of the local akron paper there.

it helps. rather have that endorsement than not. think about it, his appeal in hoy hoy, 1.3 million people shows up add that parade after they won the championship. it's very broad. >> and miami down the tubes for hillary, of course. but it does show -- to the degree she's focusing on mobilization at this point. near october and not necessarily appealing to swing voters. doing some of that, much more about getting out your base. lebron james sunday and -- >> word the president of the united states, barack obama is going home to illinois to early vote. trying to set an example for people. get out early. when we come back, clinton momentum does that put more pressure on mike pence in the vice presidential debate? that's next. mom,

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microphone to kenya and broke it and now it's broken. can you hear that? picking up somebody sniffing here. i think it's her sniffs. she's been sniffing all night. testing -- testing -- "gyna, gyna," huge gyn achagyna. >> secretary clinton what do you think about that. >> i think i'm going to be president. >> a little laughter. and farmville, and -- you disagree? >> plenty of good seats still available. >> come on now. it's true vice presidential debates rarely have a big impact on the race but also true they can be memorable. >> let me help you with the difference, ms. ferraro between iran and the embassy in lebanon. >> i almost resent vice president bush patronizing attitude that you have to teach me about foreign policy.

>> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're not jack kennedy. >> who am i? why am i here? >> hey, can i call you joe? >> i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come off your mouth the right way. >> i always say what i mean. >> they can be fun. they can be memorable. the question is, can they move the dial, and i don't mean to -- we're also told tim kaine won the coin toss, gets the first question. whether that make as difference or not. as you go into this, are the stakes higher for either one? too much in expectations? look at it, donald trump lost the first presidential debate. polling shifted in democratic favor since. therefore, can you complete that thought with more pressure on mike pence to turn in a strong performance? >> i think so and more pressure on joe biden last go-round after

obama has that terrible first debate. he kind of needs to go in to give democrats something to cheer about. kind of go in, and cleanup duty. we'll see if pence can do that. if you're tim kaine and he's anything like clinton in that first debate, he's got a real mission, got a real strategy. he wants to really move the ball forward in way they've already done. >> tim kaine is going to be on offense. mike pence will be on defense. and if what we've heard from mike pence on the trail is any indication, as he is called upon to defend donald trump, he is going to keep going to larger assertions about this character. we are going to hear a number of times how big his shoulders are. >> uh-huh. >> and -- >> broad shoulders, and like reagan. >> right. >> well, but let's -- so the first question comes up i assume, elaine quinones, works

now for cbs. i acoukussume pence's answer, u audit. we won't move past that before the election? >> depends on a few issues, has had to carve out his independence and taxes was one of those issues. birtherism, too, said obama was born in america before trump even did. spence walking his own vulnerability and loyal to his running mate. i think you're right pap , a ba of how can you defend x, y or z comment. >> and how can you defend a private e-mail server? >> both will sfoin a brougpin t issue about the country or

politics. pence is a conventional conservative running a conservative campaign, not imitating hillary clinton, you know, falling into a car, like trump is, and so i think you're going to see perhaps an outbreak of at least some civility tomorrow night. it's going to be -- tough to the extent they're going to go after clinton and trump but these twos guys are not getting down to the gutter though. >> how cool if tim kaine at the beginning of this decided to conduct the entire debate in spanish? i mean, he really has -- he adds a dimension -- both of these guys, incident he, add a significant dimension to their principles, and i think pence has really been probably the most disciplined and effective surrogate trump has and to jonathan the point ts, it is emblematic he's not been out there in front of the storm defending him. >> he does what he has to but a one-sentence defense before he moves on to larger talking points. >> a great prediction "new york times" in the over the weekend

from tucker martin of virginia political consultants, going from an ali/frazier fight to a book club. >> god forbid, yes, going back and forth with character questions about their bosses, if you will. god forbid we had a conversation about isis, about social security, about taxes, about economic growth nap would be shocking. obviously they both understand the state of the race going into this. i mentioned horse race polls, hillary clinton moved up, donald trump down in a few key swing states and abc "washington post" poll out today, slight but what you watch to see if it continues. trump's unfavorable we be able to up from the debate. hillary clinton's unfavorable within margins. 53% of voters view her unfavorably. donald trump went up after the first deebbate, 69% to 54%.

now it's going back the other way after the first debate. i put on the table, 36 days left, a big week. every second leading up to that second debate. >> and can these two guys, like nice and nicer, can they transfer their likability to these candidates? i mean, we've seen mike pence try to do that. we've seen tim kaine try to do that as well. and we'll see, can they sort of maintain their niceness, but also go after each other? and i think for mike pence one of the dangers, i think, his very conservative record in indiana particularly around issues of lgbt rights, whether or not that comes up. >> and the other thing, one of the key demographics both candidates are going for, educated white voters, and pence's conservatism doesn't necessarily jibe with that group. >> compared with trump, that's so small, though, right? the larger issue is trump's challenge with women voters in america. if he can't nation problem this week, in this debate, it's going to be hard for him.

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head around the "inside politics" table and ask our great reporters to get you the political news aarround the corner. >> we touched on this earlier. i'm going to focus on the degree to which a town hall format will test a completely different set of skills from both of these candidates. for trump it's going to be his capacity for empathy and engagement with an individual's problems, and i think with hillary clinton it's going to be a question of whether she, too, can connect and not go into sort of lawyer litigator mode. >> i can't wait. i think it's fascinating and

going to be great. >> mike pence is not leaving the commonwealth after the debate tomorrow. he'll stick around having a rally in the shenandoah valley. not a frequent campaign stop in october of election years for candidates for president and vice president. why is he doing that? the trump campaign believes they can bring the state back into play. hillary clinton has not been on the air in virginia since august, but the trump folks believe that they have an opening, if they can get more conservatives out to vote. now, that's where you go find conservatives in the state in the shenandoah valley. the challenge for the trump folks, even if they maximize turnout in rural virginia, still a huge problem. a third of the state's voters live around d.c. and they are sour on mr. trump. >> we'll watch that one. glenn? >> hillary the challenge with gary johnson being strong in the west. the thing that could move the dial, we've heard about dark murmurings about new wikileaks

batch of released e-mails. hillary's folks conspiring, a strategy of the trump campaign insofar as they have one, pull those voters away from hillary clinton. i think we'll all watch to see what wikileakss comes up with this week. >> it's october. surprises. >> talking about north carolina. numbers to think about as hillary clinton tries to turn that state blue. in 2012, 80% of eligible black voters voted in north carolina. they obviously voted overwhelmingly for obama. 96%. he still lost that state by 92,000 votes. he lost it, because of his weakness among white voters. only 31% of white voters, down from 35% in 2008. she's really got some work to do. in some ways you feel the black vote was maximized in 2012. can she do that again and make in-roads with white voters as

well? >> keep an eye on that. bill wells won't be at debate because the libertarian didn't make the cut but a happy warrior and in the race to the end. the former massachusetts governor is number two on the libertarian ticket. what is aleppo fame? he would be horrified if libertarians helped donald trump win the presidency drawing votes who otherwise would vote hillary clinton. as a result, weld might quick the ticket if evidence libertarians are helping trump. earlier on cnn's "new day" believed the libertarians will hurt trump more by attracting moderate republicans. in the end, he insisted he's in the race to the end. my colleague wolf blitzer starts after a quick break. i've never been #1 in anything until i put these babies on. now we're on a winning streak and i'm never taking them off. do i know where i'm going? absolutely.

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hillary clinton out in force armed with new ammunition against donald trump over his taxes. the "new york times" reports that trump record add $916 million loss in 1995, which would have allowed limb to legally avoid paying federal until taxes for up to 18 years. a clinton spokesman, hardly impartial we might add, call it is a bombshell. we'll listen for new reaction from hillary clinton this hour. she gives an economics speech in the battleground state of ohio. we have live pictures, i believe, from that event site. no. live pictures of me. bill clinton, he sshe on th he trail. and vice president joe biden in florida. there we go. that's where bill clinton will be speaking in saginaw, michigan. all right. not saginaw. that's biden in florida. live pictures from the joe biden florida event. as for donald trump,e