look at independents and the gender split. hillary clinton is beating trump by 20 points. in 2012, obama won this by one point. look at white with a college degree, white voters with a college degree, hillary clinton's got a 13-point advantage, 50% to 37%. obviously without a college degree, this is the core of support for donald trump. it's a 21-point lead here, but in our last poll, chris, that was a 44-point lead for donald trump. african-americans, this is also key to hillary clinton's coalition. wow, 95% for clinton, 5% for donald trump. all of that outreach he's been doing does not seem to be upping his number among african-americans in our poll. and finally, that enthusiasm gap that we were talking about, well, hillary clinton has narrowed the gap. remember back in september, donald trump had a 12-point lead among supporters that were extremely or very enthusiastic for him.

now it's a six-point lead for trump. hillary clinton's gone up four among her supporters in enthusiasm. donald trump's gone down two. this is critical for why our likely voter model now is showing hillary clinton with this five-point edge. alisyn? >> david, very interesting. thanks for giving us all the headlines from the new poll. donald trump, meanwhile, digging in over his taxes, saying he, quote, brilliantly used tax laws to possibly avoid paying income taxes for almost 20 years. hillary clinton slammed the billionaire, saying that does not make him a genius. cnn's phil mattingly is live in farmville, virginia, the site of tonight's vice presidential debate. good morning, phil. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. it really depends on how you want to spin it. for donald trump, the revelation he may have avoided federal income tax for up to two decades is a positive for his campaign. hillary clinton, it is a hammer to bludgeon trump's campaign. this is how they put it. >> the unfairness of the tax laws is unbelievable. it's something that i've been talking about for a long time. you've heard me talking about

it. despite being a very big beneficiary, i must admit. but you're more important than my being a beneficiary, so we're going to straighten it out and make it fair for everybody. >> some of his supporters said, well, it just shows he's a genius that he didn't pay any taxes. well, what kind of genius loses a billion dollars in the first place? >> reporter: now, guys, how voters react to that spin, which spin they decide to believe, is coming at a very crucial moment in this race. as you noted, only 35 days until the election. only five days until the next presidential debate. but one of the interesting things behind the scenes, trump advisers on this tax issue for the weeks leading up to that big disclosure always thought this wasn't something that resonated with voters, wasn't something that was going to hurt them in the polls. you look at the new cnn/orc poll, that might not be true. 86% of voters say they believe it's a civic duty to pay taxes. so it looks like this is something that may have legs. obviously something we're

definitely going to hear about tonight as tim kaine and mike pence square off in that vice presidential debate. guys? >> phil, no question that the polls show what is somewhat common sense. people think you're supposed to pay your taxes and want transparency when it comes to donald trump's taxes. one person you can count in that number is our vice president joe biden. he was on fire in our interview, outraged by these latest developments from the trump campaign with his taxes and his comments about veterans. he also had some interesting insight about what to look for tonight. but the headline for him was the way donald trump sees this country's tax obligations and its veterans. take a look. >> when you hear about situations where is trump says he's smart for findin ways to use the tax law as is provided t bothers you. >> i thought it was about making sure you did your part for your country. i grew up in a house where my father used to say, and he never

made any real money, you know, i'm paying this or that. my dad would say, it's a small price to pay. since when does somebody who lives at the top of the world in a penthouse overlooking the world be in a position where he doesn't feel any obligation at all to pay any federal income tax to support the military, to support education, to support our foreign policy. since when is that a patriotic thing to do? can you imagine any other president, any other president ever say that and be proud of that? i can't fathom it. he s >> he says the law is what it is, you guys made the law what it is, and he just knows how to work the law. >> if you notice the change agent he proposed, what he's proposing would lock in all of those special interests for real estate folks and cut their taxes even more. this is all about trump. the vast majority of billionaires and

multimillionaires, they pay their taxes. i mean, can you imagine warren buffett saying this? can you imagine any of these guys saying this? it's just offensive. what does it say about all the people here? are they all suckers for paying their taxes because they can't hire a tax lawyer, because they couldn't make significant contributions to try to change the law to benefit themselves? come on, man. it's just not right. >> trump is making headlines for saying that those who avoid pts, post-traumatic stress, are strong, those who succumb to it, therefore by implication, are weak. what does that statement mean to you? >> this is an ignorant man. this guy says things he has no idea about. he's not a bad man, but his ignorance is so profound, so profou profound. i have my staff contact the defense department every morning at 6:00 to tell me exactly how

many troops are injured, exactly how many troops are wounded because everyone matters. it's not 6,700 and some. it's 6,753 deaths, not 50, 53. it's 52,419 wounded. the number of people coming home with unseen injuries, post-traumatic stress and traumatic brain injury, is significantly higher. what's this say about a guy who doesn't have any notion of that? look at what these kids are going through. look at the sack fiegss they're making. look what they go to sleep dreading. i was asked to present a silver star to a young man who had jumped into a burning humvee to pull out his buddy after an ied exploded. the kid died. the commanding general asked me to pin on a silver star when i was there. you know what the kid said to me? i don't want it. i don't want it. he did not live, sir. he did not live, sir.

that kid probably goes to sleep every night with a nightmare, and this guy doesn't understand any of that. how can he not understand that? how can he be so out of touch? he's not a bad guy, but how can he be so out of touch and asked to lead this country? >> wow. compelling. >> unusually fired up, which begged a question. wait until you hear him talking about the middle class and what he sees as the war and the manipulation of people's futures that are going on in the campaign. it begs a really obvious question. he's arguably more fired up about these issues than trump or clinton. how does he feel about not being in the race in he talks about it later on. >> oh, good. i look forward to hearing his answer to that. we'll have more of chris' interview with the vice president. meanwhile, the vice presidential nominees, indiana governor mike pence and virginia senator tim kaine, are going to face off tonight 9:00 p.m. eastern. cnn's debate coverage begins at 4:00. tune in for that. coming up next, more on the new cnn poll that has hillary clinton back on top.

but it's a tight race. and what will trump's efforts to turn the revelations about his taxes into a positive, what are those going to mean? will they work? next.

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hillary clinton retaking the lead in a new cnn national poll. it has her five points ahead of donald trump, 47% to 42%. what is fueling that gain? let's bring in our panel. we have cnn political analyst david gregory, cnn political commentary matt lewis, and cnn political director david chaleon. great to have you here. so she has among likely voters -- let's pull this up. the change since september, david gregory, she has gone up four points. donald trump has gone down three points in these latest polls. is this all to -- do we credit the debate? >> it's the most significant event in that intervening time, so i think it shows a couple things. one, that she's got a little more enthusiasm among her core

supporters and that she's cutting into his significant lead among men without a college degree, voters without a college degree. that's significant because she continues to rise in those other areas among minority voters, women, particularly those with college education, typically a republican stronghold. i think these core questions, is he qualified to be president, is tru trump temperamentally fit to be president? in the debate, he came up wanting. it shows there's a trajectory for her that perhaps she can build on if she can keep it going, unless he can turn things around in this next debate, where she can perhaps grow that. maybe five points is the high side of what the spread could be between them. we'll see. >> chaleon, you're situated somewhat like oz this morning. you've been saying it's going to come down to battlegrounds. tick through the states and see what the numbers show you. let's run through the numbers.

i'll tell you which state it is. you tell me why it jumps out. here we are in florida. she's plus five. johnson at five as well. what do you see? >> when i look at five-point lead in florida, i see that as the most contested battlegrounds. the clinton campaign is feeling best about that. take a look at all of these. florida, pennsylvania, colorado, nevada. every battleground state poll we have seen now, chris, except for ohio, which you see right there -- >> but wait a minute. that's wrong. trump is suppose to be at 47%. that's our typo. he's actually five points ahead of her in ohio. >> you are absolutely right. that is -- of all the battleground states, we've already drifted as more lean republican, and ohio is moving towards that direction in terms of it looks like it may be a little elusive for clinton. >> david, let me stop you for one second. i need you to clarify something. we reverse the numbers.

that's easy. there's a new narrative, which is, you know, ohio, it's not as much of a battle ground as it used to be. people read that as the media trying to make it less important to disadvantage trump. what is the reality behind why ohio now deserves some kind of different classification? >> i don't know that it does. it is still a battleground, it's just not necessary for hillary clinton's path to 270 electoral votes. it is necessary for donald trump's path. but hillary clinton, if indeed she can take florida, if she can take nevada, if she can take north carolina, she's well over 270 already adding her base states in. so it's not that it's not a battleground. it is. obviously we saw her there yesterday in toledo, in the akron/canton area. she's still competing there, but she doesn't need ohio in her corner in order to reach 270. >> matt, let's talk about donald trump's taxes. as you know, there was a revelation by "the new york times." they found his 1995, one page

from his new york state return. they show he had such a huge loss, it's possible he did not pay federal income taxes for 18 years. yesterday both candidates were on the stump trying to spin this to their advantage. listen to this moment. >> as a businessman and real estate developer, i have legally used the tax laws to my benefit. i mean, honestly, i have brilliantly used those laws. >> trump was taking from america with both hands and leaving the rest of us with the bill. >> okay. obviously their core supporters like each of those individual messages. which argument sways people? >> i don't think either, to be honest. we're obsessing over the tax issue right now. i think it's baked into the cake. i think if you -- you know, donald trump has been saying for at least a year now, i'm not going to release my taxes, and i paid as little taxes as possible. look, i think that the debate

was very important. i think donald trump did not show that he has the temperament needed to be president. i think that has hurt him in the polls. i do not think we're going to look back and say that the tax issue mattered at all. >> you don't think it projects on to something else? i've never seen the tax issue as what did he pay in taxes. we know that high-income people don't pay taxes the same way. we know that you can shelter income, especially when you're in commercial development. it also goes to transparency and whether or not he is a fit change agent. the vice president said something in the interview about this. he said, yeah, he's a real change agent. what in his tax plan would change what he did to the tax code? right now there's nothing. >> two big points. is he an out of touch rich guy? i don't think -- he's tapping into a different energy among voters. this could be an argument that works more with working class voters. look, we're being played for chumps. i think the other issue, is he as good of a businessman as he says? he lost almost a trillion dollars. >> psychological warfare. >> panel, thank you very much.

stick around. we'll have more questions for you. we also have more of our interview with the vp, joe biden. he's going to talk about what he thinks you should be looking for tonight. remember, he knows a little bit about a big vice presidential debate. remember him and palin? of course, he has this fire about this race. it's a little different than what we've seen in the past. here's another taste. >> this man lacks any sensibilities about the american people. i just don't -- i don't get it. he is so woefully uninformed on foreign policy, it's dangerous. >> he has a message about the middle class and a story about his own upbringing that you're going to want to hear.

all right. so more joe biden for you because he really is kind of taking it up a notch with five weeks to election day. he told me people are really seeing the true trump now and getting a clearer picture of clinton as well. he also shared a little known personal story of his own struggle of his family trying to provide him with a good

education and why it matters so much in america today. here. >> we're here in florida. polls are tight. there's a suggestion it's even getting tighter. the main points of dispute are the need for change, the questions about trust, and the idea of energy. that's what trump is saying, those are his advantages. how do you answer those questions here in florida? >> i bet he couldn't carry his bag 18 holes on one of his own golf courses, speaking of energy. but look, i think the real issue here is, can you imagine a president getting up at 3:30 in the morning and tweeting vitriol? i really mean this. this goes to this man lacks any sensibilities about the american people. i just don't -- i don't get it. he is so woefully uninformed on foreign policy, he's dangerous. >> people take it as strength, as speaking the way we do. he doesn't play those games that

politicians play, and they reward him, or at least don't punish him for things that you find out of balance. >> well, i think they're now starting to focus, chris. this is getting deadly earnest. every election, the last four presidential elections, people make up their mind later and later in the process. now they're beginning to focus. they're getting to see who this guy really is. i predict you she will win and win clearly. >> he says that whatever you've been doing hasn't worked and put us in a situation now where people are more afraid than ever. he'll put america first. it sounds good to people. they feel that america is weak and he plays on that and it sent him to the top of the polls. does that need to be respected by hillary clinton? >> well, yes, but the way to respect it is speak to it, and she's doing that. the fact of the matter is we're still by far and away the most respected country in the world. number two, we're in a situation where there's more american companies coming home than going abroad. so what's happened is there's

been this megaphone out there about how bad off we are and how weak we are and how weak the military is, et cetera. it's simply not true. the fact of the matter is, now people are beginning to focus. >> we didn't see this was going to be about finding the center of america again and this definitional proposition many this race. do you believe anybody can fight that fight as well as you? >> well, i'm sure there are people. i don't know anybody who feels more passionately than i do. but i think if there's any one thing we haven't communicated enough to the american people, it they're in trouble. they're scared. we don't speak to them enough. we don't let them know how much we respect them. we do all things that benefit them, but we don't speak to them. >> trump, many of them believe, speaks to them. >> yeah, they do, but they think he speaks to them because they haven't listened to what he's saying. much of it has been a negative attack on hillary and a failure

to focus on what she's saying. our job here is to get a focus on what really matters. what's going to change the circumstance for a middle class person? it's about being able to send your kid to a park, you know they're going to come home safely. being able to own your own home, not having to rent it. if your kid gets into college, you can find a way to get them there. in addition to that, be able to take care of your geriatric parent when the other passes away and never have to be taken care of by your children. what hillary feels but she doesn't say enough is she understands when that kid doesn't get that loan to go to college, it's not just, quote, the mind wasted. it's that father or mother who looks at this talented kid like my dad did. i remember i was trying to get to amhearst. that was the school i wanted to go to. they gave me a grant, division iii football.

still wasn't enough. i remember going down to see my dad, where he worked. he ran an automobile agency, didn't own it. i asked the person who ran the show, mary, where's dad? i walked out and my dad was pacing back and forth. this is a true story. he looked at me and said, oh, joey, i'm so sorry. i am so sorry. i said, what's the matter, dad? i thought something happened to my family. he said, i went to the bank today. they won't lend the money to get you to school. i'm so ashamed of myself. i'm so ashamed. all those parents out there, all those parents out will. it's not just about the kid. it's not just about school. it's about being able to meet the expectations of their children and not having a level playing field out there. that's what this is about. i know hillary feels that. but every time she expresses emotion, she gets clobbered. she gets clobbered. you know, i know her.

i know she cares. i think that's sort of -- at least i think that's what has to be communicated to those folks who are looking at trump and saying, well, maybe he's the answer. he doesn't deliver anything for them that's going to change their lives. >> what did you think of that? i'd never heard him tell that story before. >> that's a tug at the heart strings story. remind me of my grandfather and how hard he worked. joe biden has this way of framing things that's very digestible, easy to absorb. when he says we don't speak to voters enough, you have to assume he's using the royal we and he's referring to politicians, president obama, hillary clinton. i mean, is that what he's saying? >> i was baiting him to get into whether he regrets not running. i know his reason for it. i was a friend of his son. i understand the impact on him and his family. my understand that he lost a piece of his soul. i can't imagine that. but his son wanted him to run. a lot of democrats wanted him to

run. he can say that hillary clinton feels things, but people know joe biden feels them. nobody has to say that about him. and that's a big difference. >> it's a great interview. i look forward to seeing more of it. we'll show all of you more of it coming up. up next, our political panel is going to react to that joe biden interview, and we'll preview tonight's vice presidential debate. what will mike pence and tim kaine do in their one-night-only face-off?

senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> who am i? why am i here? >> how long have i been at this, like five weeks? >> those are some of the high moments. the problem is, they're some of the only high moments we have gotten from vp debates. tonight what are the expectations when you have governor mike pence and senator tim kaine on the air? it's going to be really important in terms of shaping the state of play between these

two tickets. let's bring back david gregory, matt lewis, and david chaleon. we remember those moments. benson going at quail, how he was looking ahead. . >> i don't hear you. >> what do you think can come out of it that matters? >> i think it's a proxy fight for the top of the ticket. i think kaine reinforces hillary clinton better than pence reinforces trump. pence is a cultural conservative, you know, whereas the top of the ticket is not really conservative or even republican from that point of view. but i think they're going to fight at each other. i think kaine is really going to go after the tax issue. i'm sure try to point out some of pence's views about gay rights, for example, to try to motivate the democratic base, particularly younger voters who i think that might resonate with. there's a different state of play here. you don't have fundamental questions of fitness and

qualification. so i think it's a different dynamic. >> but don't sell the vp debate short. the palin/joe biden one had 70 million viewers. people are interested. interested or entertained, whatever. they do tune in. what do you think could be the headlines out of tonight, matt? >> i think the headline will be, can mike pence defend the indefensible? >> that's right. >> he's going to be asked, donald trump said this, do you stand behind it? so far mike pence has actually been very good at preserving his own legacy and defending donald, sometimes being the explainer in chief. this is what donald trump meant. >> so how does it play tonight? mike pence just got dealt a nice punch in the nose by the federal courts. three-judge panel saying, you can't discriminate against refugees just because you think you're afraid of them. do you think that's going to come into the state of play tonight in this debate? >> there's no doubt it will. just as matt and david were

saying, i think each of the trump policies, refugees being one of them s going to be standing there for mike pence to defend with a mix of his own record in indiana but also what trump has been proposing. he always does have to do that dance of loyal soldier and preserving his own political future. although, he has done it quite successfully. i think what you're looking at tonight, though, you have to look at the news environment this debate is taking place in. i'm sure tim kaine is very thankful that this vp debate did not happen four weeks ago when hillary clinton was suffering a round of bad headlines about the clinton foundation or transparency or about her health. this comes now after a really rough week for donald trump which means as they entered the stage, mike pence is on the defensive immediately. >> let's talk about that, david. how much time do you think will be spent of the running mates defending the top of their ticket, either hillary clinton or donald trump? >> i think they're both going to have to do that.

they'll both try to be aggressive toward the top of the ticket on either side. i also think foreign policy, national security. you have "the washington post" editorializing today about the danger trump could pose to the rest of the world. if you're tim kaine on the armed services committee, you have that experience, you want to drive home that idea of fitness and qualifications for office. the same issues for trump. is he qualified? does he have the temperament. the question of who is the stronger leader. hillary clinton had a nice swing after that first debate. and biden is one, kaine is another who can speak to those voters, working class voters, men in particular, with whom she still struggles and wants to try to make some inroads. the fact she made inroads with voters without a college degree, that's a big deal. what she wants to do is minimize what she's losing there and then win women and minorities and all the rest. that really cuts off a path for him. >> what about kaine individually might be easy pickings for pence? >> look, i think it would be a mistake if mike pence goes after tim kaine. we know the republicans have put

out some hit pieces recently about tim kaine, but i think this is about the top of the ticket. nobody is going to say that mike pence isn't ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. nobody is going to say that tim kaine can't be a heartbeat away. the question i think is over the principles at the top of the ticket. if you look at those debates we saw earlier, you know, dan quail and george h.w. bush went on to win despite that knockout in the debate. even sarah palin arguably beat joe biden in that presidential debate. of course, she loses to barack obama and john mccain loses. i don't think the vice presidential debates in and of themselves are positive. >> i was just going to say, you look at our new poll. we saw the favorab favorable/unfavorables. both mike pence and tim kaine are viewed more favorably with the public. that's not the case at the top of the ticket. i would imagine both candidates are hoping that goodwill rubs off on them a little bit.

>> i'm sure we're going to come out of tonight like in some vp debates in the past -- i remember in 2000 with lieberman and cheney saying, why aren't these guys running for president? they're more positive toward each other. this is a good discussion of world affairs. >> two serious guys who know policy, have experience. >> it's a little late for that. >> the whole issue of pence twisting himself in knots, you know, defending trump, that's going to be the show to watch. >> okay. thanks so much, panel. great to talk to you. the vice presidential nominees, as we've been saying, do face off tonight 9:00 p.m. eastern. cnn's debate coverage begins at 4:00. the east coast is on alert, as you know, because of powerful hurricane matthew. it's pummelling haiti, setting its sights on the u.s. chad myers has the latest forecast track next. or put thm on a rack. but the specialists at ford like to show off their strengths: 13 name brands. all backed by our low price tire guarantee. yeah, we're strong when it comes to tires.

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hillary clinton has opened a five-point lead over donald trump in a new cnn national poll. clinton has 47% now to trump's 42%. that's in a four-way race. this as controversy swirls around the trump campaign over the republican nominee's leaked taxes. >> as a businessman and real estate developer, i have legally used the tax laws to my benefit and to the benefit of my company, my investors, and my employees. i mean, honestly, i have brilliantly used those laws. >> so what do donald trump's supporters think about his taxes as well as any other controversies? we're joined now by a panel of republicans and independents who are all trump supporters.

we have pax hart, lair, and joe kovak. great to see you this morning. let me start with you, pax. if donald trump has not paid federal income taxes for 18 years, what do you think about that? >> 1995 was the year that he claimed a $916 million loss. i think any small business owner, any business owner in the united states, is going to relate to that. you know, obviously this is on a huge scale, but i've been a business owner. i've gone through -- when you're running on fumes, you just have to keep putting one foot in front of the other. what donald trump did, this is an incredible comeback story. the law that he used has been used by -- i was looking it up the other day. it's been used by mark zuckerberg. it's been used by oprah winfrey, been used by warren buffett. this was a perfectly allowable thing that he did to carry forward those losses. >> sure. all those people you've cited, if they carried over and weren't paying federal income tax, they did pay a lot to charity. those three in particular have

given a lot to charity during that time. donald trump, there is no evidence that since 2008 he's given anything to charity. how do you female aboel about t? >> well, neither has the clinton foundation. >> the clinton foundation does all sorts of things globally. >> they grossed $178 million or so and gave away $5 million. here's the deal. here's the thing. how do taxes from 1990 help our economy now? what are the tax policies now? that's what i'm interested in. i don't care about this tax story. this is from 1990. when you drive down the west side highway, there are trump towers all over the place. that's what i'm interested in. >> even though his tax policies he put out would not change this for real estate developers, it would keep in place that you could somehow skirt paying taxes for 18 years, did that give you pause? >> no, it does not. these things are legal. these are laws that are put in

place. what we're doing is discouraging people who take risks in our society. we need people like donald trump who take risks and they hire people. they give to the economy. they help the economy. what you guys are doing is just -- and it's so funny that the liberal media is just so on this. a lot of the liberal personalities don't pay taxes at all. they're in tax trouble. al sharpton, you guys love him. he doesn't pay taxes. joy reid, all these other people. but you guys are so on this -- >> i'm not familiar with joy reid's taxes. >> look it up. >> we don't love them for not paying taxes. joe, what do you think? >> i don't think it's an issue at all because if these are are the tax laws that we have, and if people are upset with them, then we should change the laws. it's very simple. you're going to hold donald trump to one standard, but hillary clinton has a double standard where she gets away with everything. >> well, she has paid -- i think she's in the 30% tax bracket.

those are not equal. >> but it goes beyond taxes. it goes to the double standard throughout this campaign. >> let's talk about that. >> donald trump gets annihilated and held on every single word, period, comma on everything that he says. then when hillary says, oh, it was a mistake, then we all forget about it. it's no big deal. what about the e-mails? >> let's talk about the e-mails versus the taxes. do you want to see donald trump release his taxes? >> i think that if his cpas and his attorneys indicate that he shouldn't release them because he's under an audit, then he shouldn't release them. >> so you're not interested in transparency. you don't require, as a voter, that kind of transparency. >> transparency, we can't pick and choose when we're going to be transparent. >> it's between donald trump and the irs. >> i'm just asking, as voters, you're not interested. >> what i'm more concerned with is the $6 billion that went missing under the state department under hillary clinton.

that was our money. this money was donald trump's money. >> sort of. if he hasn't paid taxes, i challenge you on that. if he hasn't paid taxes in 18 years, that means he's not contributed to the military, to veterans affairs, to education system, all the things he says he's interested in. so are you okay with a billionaire not contributing to those things for the country? >> this goes right to the heart of hillary clinton's, you know, rhetoric of -- >> but donald trump. are you uncomfortable with a billionaire -- >> no, this goes right to the point of, you know, this kind of weird quasi marxist class warfare that hillary clinton loves to stoke. donald trump's tax liability has nothing to do with my tax liability. >> but it has to do with your country. this is what i'm asking. this means he hasn't contributed to the military and veterans affairs for 18 years. are you comfortable with that? >> donald trump was paying real estate taxes. donald trump was paying payroll taxes. donald trump was paying an

unbelievable amount of money. >> federal income taxes are what go towards these things. are you comfortable with that? >> i am comfortable with donald trump, with all of the people who have worked for him. hundreds of thousands of people who have worked for him that he has employed, that way more than compensates from him using an allowable, you know, loss carried forward. >> you even mentioned mark zuckerberg and other people that have used this law. why is it being singled out against donald trump? >> well, he's running for president, number one. you're interested in transparency. you're very interested in seeing hillary clinton's e-mails. that's very important. but not donald trump's taxes. so why not transparency? >> i find it funny that on clinton network news that we're using transparency as a word. let's talk about transparency. >> yes, as you insult us, go on. >> we all know you guys are the

greatest super pac for her. the thing is, there are so many things -- whatever you guys say about donald trump, he can hit back harder on her twice. everything. >> she paid taxes. this is a fact. this is part of the record. >> but it goes beyond taxes. it's about integrity and trustworthiness. the reason why she had such a problem in the primary against bernie sanders was that democrats did not trust her. a majority of the people in america do not trust her. she says one thing and then she switches her stance. >> how about she tells us about her black stepson that you guys aren't covering? >> you can't just come in and throw a conspiracy theory out and let it smolder there as we're heading to our next hour. >> black lives matter. go check out her black stepson. thank you. >> blair, joe, pax, we'll be investigating all of that later

in the program on our bottom line. thank you, all. we're following a lot of news. let's get right to it. i understand the tax laws better than almost anyone. i am the one who can fix them. >> while millions of american families were pay manager our fair share, it seems he was contributing nothing to our nation. >> 1990s were almost as bad as the great depression and far worse than the great recession. >> this man lacks any sensibilities about the american people. he's dangerous. >> it's an exciting time. we are in the home stretch now. >> the choice could not be more clear. the stakes could not be higher. >> joe biden finished the sentence. >> joe biden -- >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> all right. good morning. welcome to your "new day." up first, hillary clinton retaking the top spot in a new cnn national poll. clinton now with a five-point lead, 47%, 42%, in the four-way race. clinton with a 20-point advantage among independent women voters.

55 to 35. trump is up four points among independent men. clinton also the overwhelming voice of black voters were 95%. >> all this as donald trump attacks the political fire storm over his taxes, touting his own financial brilliance and possibly avoiding federal taxes for nearly two decades. hillary clinton, though, slamming her opponent as the king of greed, accusing him of taking from america with both hands. cnn's phil mattingly has a lot to talk about. he's live in farmville, virginia, the site of tonight's vice presidential debate. hi, phil. >> reporter: hey, alisyn. in an election year that's running increasingly low on days until the actual voters go to the polls, donald trump's taxes are all anybody's talking about. whichever candidate gets the upper hand on this issue, they may very well win the white house. >> i understand the tax laws better than almost anyone, which is why i am the one who can fix them. >> reporter: dangerous