welcome to "inside politics." live today from farmville, virginia. site of tonight's vice presidential debate. i'm john king. you can hear excitement here. it is mike pence versus tim

kaine here in longwood pap proxy war. kaine echoing hillary clinton's tough talk on donald trump's refusal to release his taxes. >> here's my question. wa kind of genius loses a billion dollars in a single year? >> and you can be certain pence will second trump's case an insider like clinton can't or won't change washington. >> hillary clinton has never created a single job in her life. >> now, both kaine and pence understand the enormous stakes. america votes five weeks from today and fresh evidence of new clinton momentum. a new national poll and handful of battleground state surveys as well. >> i'm looking forward to it. i can't wait. i mean, hillary clinton's record on foreign affairs alone could take up the whole 90 minutes, and it wouldn't be a pretty picture. >> live on campus the next hour,

we should let you know hillary clinton is campaigning this hour. michelle obama this hour. donald trump as well. maybe take you live to those events. with us to share reporting and invital, jonathan martin, "new york times," jackie kucinich, jeff zeleny and from the "washington post." donald trump made clear, no intention of releasing his taxes and no intention of apologizing. >> i have legally used the tax laws to my benefit, and to the benefit of my company. my investors and my employees, i mean, honhonestly, i have brilliantly used those laws. >> now it's a safe bet mike pence will be pressured to define brilliant and trump's decision not to release his taxes. showing a nearly $1 billion trump loss in 1995. experts say that means trump could have avoided paying any federal income taxes legally,

perfectly legally, for nearly two decades. trump called it brilliant. hillary clinton calls it hypocritical. >> in other words, trump was taking from america with both hands, and leaving the rest of us with the bill. >> so this has been the defining issue, ladies and gentlemen, or lady and. a i should say, i guess. on the campaign the last few days, we assume right off the bat, tim kaine gets the first question. i wouldn't be surprised if he's asked a question about the beautiful sunrise and then he goes to the tax release denial of donald trump. >> trying to defend donald trump the entire time keeping his own political aspirations intact. in terms of the two candidates, he really has the tougher job than tim kaine. >> yet tim kaine comes in knowing his candidate has momentum and better not drop the

ba to baton? for tim kaine he'll try to keep mike pence on the defense. mike pence also has an opportunity that donald trump wasn't able to pick up on at hofstra, that is to prosecute at every possible turn the case against hillary clinton, the case against the obama foreign policies, the case they want to make. donald trump missed opportunities. i would suspect that mike pence will not miss opportunities in the way that donald trump did. >> in a sense, he can do what he's been doing all along and play cleanup, pickup, whatever you want, and i think, i mean, he can sort of slow hillary clinton's momentum a little bit, or at least do what he's been doing all along for xanax conservatives hoping that he's here. that might take a full 90 minutes for that. >> the forecast tonight, i think, john, will include a lot of talking points. i think both of these candidates are going to take all of these questions and use them, the best that they can, to reframe it and talk about their opponent's weakness.

as you point out, this is a proxy war. i think kaine will talk a lot about trump and pence will talk a lot about hillary, and my guess is, these are two veteran discipline politicians, and i think that's what you'll see tonight in stark contrast to last week, by the way. >> stay on the tax issue. watch the proxy war play out tonight. first a few things from our new cnn/orc poll. not just the media focusing on this story. should trump release taxes? 70% of americans say, yes. 95% of democrats, yes, 7a% of independents and almost half of republicans say yes. 49% say donald trump should release taxes. why isn't he? is he hiding something? 86% of democrats say hiding something. 59% of independents, think that, only a quarter on republicans. safer ground on motive for republic republicans, but almost half want them released. answer's no, i won't release

them, donald trump yesterday, and see if pence changes that tonight. i'm not releasing my taxes and who is she to demand it? >> they haven't add add single dollar of value, people like hillary to the american economic. hillary clinton hasn't made an honest dollar in her entire life. all she does is takes from you, takes from your country, and peddles influence to donors, special interests and foreign actors for astronomical dollars like you've never seen before. it's corruption of the highest order. >> so -- deflection, if you're not going to answer the questions people asking a you, you attack your opponent. is that, can they work? will it work? >> much better for mike pence tonight. somebody he went through three gubernatorial debates has done this before. you said with tim kaine, asked what clerp is the sky and he'll talk about donald trump and his taxes. you'll hear mike pence do the same with hillary clinton's

e-mails, the hillary clinton and the unreleased speeches. he's got a whole realm of things to pick through and unlike donald trump i think he'll take every opportunity to do this. >> and the answer i'm curious about and assume pence teed up. what does he say when tim kaine turns to him and says, mike, why is it okay for you to release your taxes and did you that, but your running mate didn't? so -- what is that difference? what does pence say when kaine points that out? honestly, pence did take that step and released his tax returns. >> he said all along, released when the audit is done. that may be a weweak thing to s on, but something he can say. >> he bought time with that excuse for a while. it's tougher now. there has been other talking points why he's not releasing his taxes. i.e., doesn't want to fight over his rival. >> hillary clinton said yesterday release up to 2009, then. take some of that excuse away. audit now, release the older

ones. i don't think that argument will go with donald trump either. i'm interested tonight, you know, jackie, more practiced candidates. done this before. also more cautious than donald trump. hillary clinton is very cautious. she got under his skin in the first debate. especially questioning his dad started the business and business acumen. trump on the trail yesterday, still burns with him. donald trump says i don't have business acumen. donald trump se, ays, oh, yes, did. >> i was able to dig out of the real estate mess you would call it a depression when few others were able to do what i did. in those most difficult -- i'm a star. thank you. you are, too. oh, they were amazing times. >> he's trying to spin this. you know, where she's questioning, essentially saying who can lose a billion dollars? the house never loses?

how do you do that? under his skin. he's trying to fire back. >> i was in ohio with her yesterday. she still has spring in her state after that debate. more exaggerated yesterday being able to seize on this and -- he can't be such a genius losing a billion dollars in a year. i was struck yesterday, responding to him in more realtime really than throughout. in colorado in the afternoon, he was, from genius to brilliant. seized on that almost instantaneously in a rally in akron. i assume tim kaine will seize on that tonight and the genius and brilliance. we've seen from polling, people care about tax returns. no way to slice it, this is not a good moment for donald trump on this issue. >> taxes is the gateway to what? look at the poll. half of republicans say release them. talk to a lot of republican strategists speaker of the house paul ryan paul ryan i released mine accept

the audit release tore a degree, but -- >> the gateway to finally giving a fairly effective populist she hasn't been able to wield in the past. gone after him, tried, on hurting the little guy, talking about stiffing contractors or what happened to the casino in atlantic city. this, i think, offers her the best opportunity yet to really strike him with a simple attack which is, everybody else has to pay taxes in this country. why didn't you? >> also what they're used for, though. she said yesterday, the military. he's criticized military being weak but was not paying for that. or roads -- for those in the middle, moderate voters concerned about this, voters i talked to in ohio at her rally for sure, you know, a good message. >> one thing that the "new york times" story does that's helpful to clinton is that it takes the issue a little bit away from why haven't you released your taxes? because while, you know, polls show people think he should,

it's not necessarily a voting issue. not like people are going to vote in november, but the question of what he was as a businessman. how he ran his business. the degree to which she's able to use that or kaine able to use that tonight to go after trump is more important than simply why haven't you released your taxes? >> she takes advantage of loopholes, breaks people get over the little guy, he's trying to say tart part of the rigged system. >> and more under his skin sni g saying release your taxes. up next, foreign policy and important outreach to conservatives. across new york state, from long island to buffalo, from rochester to the hudson valley, from albany to utica,

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welcome back to "inside politics." live pictures high up over pennsylvania, chelsea clinton at an event with her mother. clinton will dip in there live if there's anything of note for you. and live in farmville, virginia, longwood university, site of tonight's vice presidential debate. you know the adage. the best defense is a good offense. >> we know all about the foreign governments and foreign donors contributing to the clinton foundation. at the same time she was secretary of state, that doesn't even talk about the fact that she had a private server, that she sought to erase e-mails with high technology, even got out a hammer to smash iphones and

black ber blackberry. men and women, we've got to have the highest integrity in the highest office in the land. >> let's focus for a bit on the mike pence playbook tonight and in a sense, get to tim kaine a little later, vice presidential candidates are always the lesser known but in this campaign we have an established brand like clinton, giant personality of trump. the number twos don't get much attention and yet, quick show you a baseball card. mike pence, 57, indiana governor, a member of the house republican caucus in the congress. by his appeal, social conservative, tonight, sell trump as that change agent. make positive out of some of the things that are negative. dan, you've known governor pence a long time, back from when he was in the house. what's the biggest value added of a mike pence? >> two things he brings to the campaign. one is reassurance to conservatives there will be conservative values at heart of this trump/pence ticket. the second thing he does is,

hawaii been helpful reassuring donors that the donor class, which is very distressful of donald trump they trust mike pence. he has good connections with them. the two big things he's able to bring to the ticket. >> also likes to fund raze. unlike donald trump. he actually likes that part of campaigning. the other thing with mike pence, he is so disciplined in terms of messaging. going through his, given debates the last couple of days. had to go back and look which one i was actually watching because he said the same thing verbatim so many times. he's very hard to rattle and very hard to get off that message. that's going to be a real challenge for atlanttim kaine t something he maybe wouldn't have otherwise. >> conservative in the way trump is not. doesn't come easy to trump and obviously can struggle at times, talking about -- especially when it comes to evangelicals. trump was effective being able to reassure them to dan's point

about the values of this ticket. i think that's one, the biggest challenge that trump has. no that evangelicals weill support hillary clinton, will they skip the vote or vote for a third-party candidate. if you're trump, you can't afford any of those. >> and jackie kucinich mentioned earlier, threating the needle in case he's not successful in november. his biggest audience and opportunity to keep his own brand intact. usually the vice presidential debates are not about themselves. in his case a touch more about him because he may have something down the line if this doesn't work out. >> go back in time. back to time to our reporting a couple weeks before the convention, we were told the trump staff was trying to push governor pence to dan's point. reassure conservatives at a time a lot of conservatives were in open revolt. republican be party, who is he? one of us?

donald trump. wanting to go with his heart and gut. somebody like chris christie. once pence was picked, the traditional "60 minutes" interview with running mates shows flavor, getting to know you phase. >> right. >> clearly, this man is not a politician. he doesn't speak like a politician. >> he's done pretty well. >> he speaks from his heart. speaks from his heart, and -- >> well, speak from my heart and my brain, just so we understand. >> right. >> this is maybe more important. >> so -- that was the interesting awkward getting to know you moment, including in that interview, leslie stahl asked donald trump, mike pence voted for the iraq war. trump said, a long time ago. doesn't matter. wait a minute. you say it's central to hillary clinton's judgment but give mike pence a pass? >> it was unusual. we'll hear that tonight, of course. his voting record is going to be front and center in this, but

again i still think, jonathan said earlier, these are two -- if there are gentlemen still in the business these two certainly are. i don't expect them to be, you know, sparring nearly as much as last week. but they do have to get their points in there. tim kaine has been very fiery on the campaign trail. very aggressive against donald trump. i'm watching to see his anger level here. he is the attack dog in every way, more than mike pence s. interesting. mike pence does not have a reputation as an attack dog but as somebody who be stay on message and deliver a message. >> right. >> but he has not been somebody who has been a slasher in this campaigns. so both because of that and what you just said, jeff, in terms of having to strike that balance between being loyal to donald trump donald trump and preserving his own political future, a tricky thing to navigate in the heat of a debate. >> donald trump left a lot of opportunities on the table in the first debate. blamed the moderator after. ask somebody if you like apple

pie, you can talk about the clinton foundation. ask the time of day and bring up the e-mail server. mike pence has done repeatedly on the trail, attack hillary clinton's record as secretary of state and likes to talk about a conservative favorite, benghazi. >> it was hillary clinton who left americans in harm's way in benghazi and after four americans fell said, what difference at this point? does it make? as a proud father of a united states marine, let me say from my heart, anyone who said that, anyone who did that should be disqualified from ever serving as commander in chief of the armed forces of the united states of america. >> it will be interesting to watch tonight as he presses these attacks, whether he waits for the moderator to take tlher or where he goes. >> a former talk radio host as well. a very good communicator, one of the best in his party. he'll go after that.

probably hear a lot of military talk. he is the father of a soldier as well, as tim kaine. i think that is something both of these two men bring to the table that is different than most vice presidential candidates. >> and one thing mike pence is will to, and shocked if tim kaine doesn't bring it up if the moderator doesn't, what donald trump said about ptsd. some are weaker than others, if you're weak you might end up with ptsd. the opposite what's been -- stigmatizes it, which is not the right way to go on that. >> the trump campaign is saying if you took it that way, that's not what he meant. tripped over his tongue. not what he wants. he wants to help people with ptsd but something democrats seized on. next, numbers don't lie. as we wait for the big debate, swinging back clinton's way at a crucial moment. [ male announcer ] at customink, you can create

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into the vice presidential debate that donald trump is paying a price for his performance in the first presidential debate. look first at our new cnn national poll and look at this. a five-point lead for hillary clinton in the national poll. 47% to 42%. third-party candidates getting combined, a boost for hillary clinton in national polls but elects president state by state. carrying over e to the key swing states? mostly, yes, the answer. look at these. new poll showing clinton, plus five in florida, plus three in north carolina. clinton, plus four in pennsylvania. trump leads in ohio by five. important, but clinton comfortably ahead in colorado and virginia as welling. there is no way to draw a path for donald trump to 270 without florida, north carolina and ohio. while ohio is encouraging it's a problem for donald trump and good news for secretary clinton after debate one heading into the vp debate. why is this happening? a number of reasons. here's one. donald trump will win among white voters who lack a college degree. hillary clinton has to try to keep it close.

back in september. 68% white voters without a college degree for trump. 23% for clinton. 44 points. now look. nair o narrowed the gap. important gain for hillary clinton among white voters who lack a college degree. other important from the new national poll. independents. back to the poll in early september, donald trump up 20 points amon independents. now, secretary clinton leading among independents by seven points. if she wins independents on election day, bet the ranch she will be the next president of the united states. watch these numbers, after the vice presidential debate and after the second presidential debate sunday night. heading into that contest, listen to secretary clinton on the road. seems pretty certain a few more momentum swings. >> but i need your help to talk to anybody you know here who thinks they might be voting for trump. i know you know people. i know you do. and you've got to stage an intervention.

you've got to sit them down, and point out how everything he says he wants to do is absolutely opposite of what he has done. and how everything he has proposed will help people like him and his family, but not the vast majority of families in ohio. >> you see as hillary campaigns here in ohio, a state, jeff, they were thinking giving up on, now giving it another look. you see what we talked about earlier, looser, riding mow mea -- momentum out of the debate. so did romney and we know how it ended. >> she knows, probably more skeptical of any sense she almost has this. she knows she has to fight to the finish line. unpredictable season. yesterday in ohio i was struck by, she was talking to democrats there. if you know someone who's voting

for trump. she wasn't talking to republicans. she was talking about democrats. a lot of union members were in the audience there in akron, steel workers, strickland shirts on and other people. the sense of so many democrats there have taken on donald trump's message there. a lot of democrats are upset clinton campaign has not fought as hard for ohio as obama did in the last two times at kerry and al gore did. too many white voters. >> downscale white voters. >> without a doubt. she would like to win it. why bill clinton is in eastern ohio on a bus tour today and tomorrow. fighting to win that. might be parked in ohio until election day. >> and put clinton in eastern ohio so striking. look at the eastern ohio map, along the ohio river and appalachia and bill clinton won twice there in almost all of those counties by big margins. look at the map since 'the --

'92, it's got redder and redder. bill clinton trying to cut margins. >> moments ago at that event we showed at the top in pennsylvania. women, key base for a hillary clinton. especially suburban women trying to get unmarried women. has a lead there. trying to keep it. margins, build them. listen to the town hall in harrison, pennsylvania, asked a question by a young girl. not sure if we have the question at the top, about body image. >> hi, madam secretary i'm brennan and 15 years old. at my school body image is really important. i see the damage donald trump does when he talks about women and how they look. as the first female president how will you help ub do that image and help girls understand be okay just with what they look like? >> oh, thank you. thank you! [ applause ] thank you. wow.

i am so proud of you for asking that question, and i think both chelsea and i would like to say something about this. you're right. my -- my opponent has just taken this concern to a new level of difficulty and meanness, and, you know, it's shocking when -- when women are called names and judged on the basis solely on the basis of physical attributes. so i think there's a couple of things we have to do, and i am passionate about this, too, because we know that young women begin to get influenced at earlier and earlier ages by messages from the media. forget your mind. forget your heart. care only about what you look, because that's all we care about. and we have to stand up against

that. women and men, mothers and fathers, teachers, everybody. [ applause ] so, i mean, think about it. my opponent insulted miss universe. i mean, how do you get more acclaimed than that? but it wasn't good enough. so we can't take any of this seriously anymore. we need to laugh at it. we need to refute it. we need to ignore it, and we need to stands up to it, and especially the bullying. >> you get the point. she pointed at the hillary clinton, and jackie, an issue she wants to make the case anyway to women but thinks as strong as her words are there, her best asset in this argument is donald trump, and his words, his 5:00 a.m. tweets and history on talk radio and the like? >> absolutely. talk about donald trump a minute in that hillary clinton, this is a total change for her, because

in her first presidential race she didn't want to talk about gender. now we're talking about gender constantly. donald trump is his own worst enemy talking about women. that ad daughters hillary clinton released is such a good ad. republicans and democrats saying what an effective, impressive add that was. >> aimed at men, fathers. >> watching it on football. >> what the clinton campaign believes the value of this is and of course happy to answer that question. who knows if it was planted or not. it's really in the minds of voters. >> happy to answer, almost -- overjoyed, and you could see her mind, you know, i think one-half of her, the politician side, overjoyed at the possibility of having this question. the other side of her, you could tell so appalled by what trump has done, it's almost hard for her to form late a ulate a resp. first five seconds, oh, my goodness. what do i say? this is incredible.

this is in my lap but so -- >> you mentioned bill clinton earlier in eastern ohio, white blue collar area for the most part. doing a bus tour south of georgia, south of alabama. much more conservative voters there. he's an asset in many ways and all of the surrogates the democrats have, michelle obama, president obama, vice president biden, senator warning, a vital asset. sometimes bill clinton shows he's lost a little on the fastball. here he is yesterday talking about obama care. it's a good thing. right? >> the people that are getting killed in this deal are small business people and individuals who make just a little too much to get any of these subsidies. why? because they're not organized, they don't have any bargaining power with insurance companies and they're getting whacked. you've got this crazy system where all of a sudden 2f t suof more people have health care and

some people out busting it 24 can -- and craziest thing in the world. >> explain a little too much. >> crazest thing in the world. listen, the answer, only played part of it. as opposed to putting out, just -- he spoke a little shorthanded. getting to obama care is great but needs fixes. no. that's not what he said. >> both of them short-circuiting answers. quote/unquote. the reality is, there are issues with the affordable care act that have to be dealt with by the next president. this act has some serious problems about it. and i would not be surprised if hillary clinton gets a fairly direct and tough question about that in the debate on sunday and tim kaine may well get one tonight. they have to defend something that they thought in this campaign would be almost all to the good, and what we've seen is that there are down sides to that act that they are not quite willing to talk about.

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as he's serving our nation abroad, i trust hillary clinton with our son's life. >> you mentioned earlier, both tim kaine and mike pence have sons serving in the united states military. we should salute their families and their sons' service, obviously. issue of trust and talked about proxy at the beginning of the show. you know mike pence will try to get at it. around a long time, the clinton foundation, record at the state department, e-mail issue i suspect will come up aggressi aggressively. has tim kaine studied it at all? her answers have not always been consistent or fully factual especially early on about her e-mail server. he gets the facts wrong he's going to open a ditch. >> up to speed on her record as much as hillary clinton has gotten up to speed on donald trump's record. i think he knows every element of her answers on e-mail. all of those things. a very skilled politician, skilled debater. biggest stage he's had yet but i

think he views, talk to friends of the senators and before picked earlier, he is himself the val dater above all why you can trust her. the moment at the convention, saying we trust our son's life with her is really as big a way you can say it. if he has one objective to make people, here in virginia and elsewhere, obviously, like her. don't have to like her, but feel confident you can trust her. a tall order but his main job. >> i think also that he's done enough interviews as the nominee, as vice presidential nominee, a question he gets in every interview. right? these are not new questions to him. he's had an ability to get those questions, to try and answer, to refine an answer, certainly in debate prep they've probably gone farther. these will not surprises him. again, in the heat of a debate, it's different than even in debate prep or when you're doing an interview with tv.

so we'll see how he does, but he is practiced on these. >> and we know, see how he performs under pressure, key point. we know most will be about donald trump and hillary clinton. the two running mates talking about the people at the top of the ticket. one place democrats see an opening, one of mike pence advantages, dan mentioned at the top of the program on the republican side, conservatives. he is a true tax cutting conservative. true social conservative evangelicals like but democrats think that helps with voters in the swing state, when it comes to abortion rights, same-sex marriage and lgbt issues. listen to tim kaine pressing the case against mike pence. >> mike pence is a guy who believes marriage equality will cause, "a societal collapse." insulted brave lgbt soldiers protecting our freedom overseas and, of course, ran a one-man crusade to allow indiana businesses acting in the commercial sphere to

discriminate against lgbtq americans, yet donald trump saw this and decided this is the person that i want helping me govern this country. >> the human rights campaign dinner there doesn't come up on the stage tonight? >> i think it will. a rare thing for this campaign. i actually have a story, the dog that's not barking in this race. extraordinary, given how much attention aborg rights and gay rights have gotten in the last 30 years in american politics. altogether absent from this campaign, because donald trump has no interest in either issue and hillary clinton sees much better in-roads in prosecuting race and gender than talking those issues. a culture war list in a campaign first time in a long time. that changes somewhat tonight. to jeff's point, kaine wants to bring that up for swing state voters talking about pence is traditional conservative views on those issues. >> this is a double whammy for pence. because not only was this

religious, so-called religious freedom bill, it also hurt indiana economically. they lost millions of dollars, several conventions, which is how a lot of states make a lot of money. so that also will be a contention, i think, because it has more to do with the social issues, that has to do with the economy. >> and ironies -- >> sorry, dan. play out in a few hours. up next, reporters share from their notebooks including one of most important dates between now and november 8th.

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let's close as we always do. head down the "inside politics" table ask our great reporters to get you out ahead of the big political news around the corner. >> this is not the first historic moment here in

farmville. history, some sad, some more uplifting. one of the first walkouts of an all-black school happened here in 1951. before rosa pash parks and a 15-year-old girl, amazing courage, walking out of an all-black school. resulted in a lawsuit. happened just up the street. sadly, this county closed schools down after this for five years, no public education in this county. that's had a lasting effect here on this community. they've tried to have some reconciliation, a great museum in town, the most emoten museum wonderful place for civil rights history, that building, all-black school. >> thank you for that little built of history. >> october 1st, a poll 50% of republicans and one-fourth of democrats think voter fraud is a serious problem. extensive studies on this,

causing scause secretaries of state to push back, and recently, tens of thousands ballots found in a factory at an abandon warehouse marked for hillary clinton. the report isn't true and in fact a picture they used to validate this was a doctored version of a photo used in the 2015 article about the election results in the uk. they're acting quickly to push back on this that it doesn't get out of control and give people faith back in their election. >> sure it's not a brexit/clinton conspiracy? >> you never know. >> aside from the debates, october 11th maybe the most important date on the calendar between now and actual election day. the last day to register people to vote in several key states. including florida, ohio and pennsylvania. the clinton campaign and democrats overall know they still need work to do to fire up the obama coalition, if you will. that's why president obama was

scheduled to be on tomorrow in florida tomorrow, cancelled because of the impending hurricane but why so many democrats are out this week and into next week trying to sign people up to vote. october 11th, next tuesday, the end for key states to vote. >> crunch time. dan? >> first of all, jonathan, thank you for that history. it's important, an element of the backdrop of this debate and longwood's role in some of the reconciliation process is also important. back to something john talked about in terms of polling. the white vote obviously key. the problem for donald trump continues to be white college graduates. mitt romney won white college graduates by 14 points four years ago. donald trump is losing them, particularly because he's losing among white women with college degrees. both the new cnn poll and the nbc monkey poll that came out today highlight the deficit he's got and his inability so far to

cut that down. >> that's very important. especially looking at the research trial in north carolina. big swing states. critical demographic. close with this, the latest example why good debate prep matters and running on a ticket with donald trump has republicans twisting you might say like pretzels. new hampshire kelly stumbling said she would absolutely hold out donald trump as a role model for her children. then, well, quickly issued a statement changing her mind saying she misspoke and did not consider trump or hillary clinton to be role models. now a narrow lead in that race. so far refused to endorse trump. clinton also has a narrow lead in new hampshire. ayotte needs a lot of suburban women especially that clinton gets, but she also worries about alienating trump's vocal base in the state. a tough balance. see it in races across the country. prep comes in. predictable debate question. republicans are frustrated, ayotte seemed caught off guard. one friend put it, walk eed rig

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hello. i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here in longwood university, site of tonight's vice presidential debate. wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us. up first, the number two names on the ticket go one-on-one in their only debate just hours from now. the vice presidential debate comes 35 days and counting until the presidential election. here in the united states. democrat, tim kaine. republican mike pence. they will square off as hillary clinton regains momentum and donald trump fends off questions about