last night weren't exactly a secret. tim kaine make it all about donald trump. for mike pence, show that there is someone on the ticket who's calm and steady. their pathway to achieve those goals, though, a bit of a rocky performance. >> donald trump -- >> i must have hit a nerve here. >> reporter: hotly contentious from the start. >> i can't imagine how governor pence can defend the insult driven, self-ish style of donald trump. >> reporter: the vice presidential debate becoming a night of whose candidate is more insulting. >> senator you and hillary clinton would know a lot about an inadult driven campaign. >> reporter: tim kaine repeatedly putting miami peeks on the defensive, using donald trump's own words. >> he's called women slobs, pigs, dogs, disgusting. he went after john mccain, a p.o.w., and said he wasn't a hero. >> reporter: words pence, in many cases, didn't directly defend. >> when donald trump says women should be punished, or mexicans are rapists and criminals -- >> i'm telling you --

>> or john mccain is not a hero, he is showing you who he is. >> senator, you -- you -- you whipped out that mexican thing again. he -- look -- >> can you defend it? >> there are criminal aliens in this country, tim. >> reporter: instead trying to take a similar tack against hillary clinton. >> he still wouldn't have a fraction of the insults that hillary clinton leveled when she said that half of our supporters were a basket of deplorables. >> reporter: trump's running mate at times flat-out denying statements the billionaire has made in the past. >> donald trump and mike pence have said he's a great leader. and donald trump has -- >> you know, we haven't. >> i respect putin. he's a strong leader. >> donald trump's claim that he wants to -- that nato is obsolete and we need to get rid of nato is so dangerous. >> that's not his plan. >> nato is obsolete. it has to be rejiggered, changed, for the better. >> reporter: kaine frequently interrupting pence. >> let me talk about -- >> senator, i think i'm still on

my time. >> these were donald -- >> hold on a second. >> it's my time, senator. >> reporter: and attempting to prove trump's unfit for office by quoting ronald reagan. >> he said the problem with nuclear proliferation is that some fool or maniac could trigger a catastrophic event. and i think that's who governor pence's running mate is exactly who president reagan warned us about. >> oh, come on. senator, that was even beneath you and hillary clinton. and that's pretty low. >> reporter: kaine hammering pence on donald trump's refusal to release his taxes. >> and he said if i run for president i will absolutely release my taxes. he's broken his -- >> and he will. >> he's broken his first promise -- >> he hasn't broken his promise. >> he stood on the stage last week and when hillary said you haven't been paying taxes he said that makes me smart. so it's smart not to pay for our military. it's smart not to pay for veterans. it's smart not to pay for teachers. >> his tax returns showed he went through a very difficult time. but he used the tax code just

the way it's supposed to be used. and he did it brilliantly. >> reporter: as pence touted the message trump advisers des bratly want their own candidate to make, that they represent change. >> what you all just heard out there is more taxes, $2 trillion in more spending, more deficits, more debt, more government, and if you think that's all working, then you look at the other side of the table. >> reporter: both candidates asking americans to trust their candidate, and distrust their opponent. >> we trust hillary clinton, my wife and i. we trust her with the most important thing in our life. we have a son deployed overseas in the marine corps right now. we trust hillary clinton as president and commander in chief. but the thought of donald trump as commander in chief scarce us to death. >> there's a reason why people question the trustworthiness of hillary clinton and that's because they're paying attention. >> reporter: the fiery debate ending with a testy exchange on abortion, and faith. >> i stand with great come compassion for the sanctity of

life. we can create a culture of life -- >> why don't you trust women to make this choice for themselves? >> we can encourage people to support life. of course we can. but on fundamental issues of morality -- >> because we should -- >> -- we should let women make their own decisions. >> because there is -- >> reporter: and alisyn, mike pence will be here in harrisonburg, virginia, in just a couple of hours. his first post-debate event. and his adviserses are thrilled with how he did last night. a lot of republicans looking at mike pence last night and they were happy with what they saw. but the question wasn't necessarily how mike pence would perform. everybody knew he was steady, he would as a longtime politician, would acquit himself well on that stage. the real question, talking to republicans, both last night and this morning, guys, is whether his running mate can do the same in a couple of days. alisyn? >> phil, let's see how viewers saw the debate last night. cnn's instant poll after the debate gives the edge to governor mike pence. 48% said pence won the debate compared to 42% for senator tim

kaine. about two-thirds of viewers said trump's running mate exceeded expectations. so what does it all mean to the race? more than half say the debate did not sway their vote. 29% did say it made them more likely to back trump. only 18% said the same for clinton. we should note that our poll sample skews more democratic than an average cnn poll of all americans. >> all right so let's discuss the implications of the night with the clinton campaign's senior spokesperson karen finney. good to have you on the show. >> hey, chris, good to be with you. >> so what did you make of mike pence's attempt, which is apparently well received overnight, to say the insulting campaign is the hillary clinton campaign, not the trump campaign, and he summed it up in one moment equating everything that trump has said, and the word deplorable. here it is. >> ours is an insult driven campaign? i mean, to be honest with you, if donald trump had said all the things that you've said he said

in the way you said he said them, he still wouldn't have a fraction of the insults that hillary clinton leveled when she said that half of our supporters were a basket of deplorables. she said they were irredeemable, they were not american. i mean it's extraordinary. >> what's your reaction? >> you know, even in that exchange, he was not defending his candidate. his -- his running mate. and there's just no way, i mean the job of the vice presidential nominee in the vice presidential debate is to both put forward your positive vision, make your case, but also to defend your candidate. and mike pence didn't do that. so i don't see how anybody could say that he won. because you can't win if you can't defend your running mate. and i will tell you the other thing that i found very disturbing about that, i mean we all know, as i think senator kaine laid out very well last

night, it is donald trump who started his campaign with insult. and it is donald trump who consistently has insulted various groups of people. i mean my goodness, he spent most of last week with this twitter rampage against a former miss universe. what i thought was so startling about last night, and frankly, as your setup piece indicated, i mean i thought the question was always going to be, how far would mike pence go to defend donald trump, or would he be more concerned about his own 2020 aspirations? and i think the answer to that is pretty clear after last night. i mean, he literally, you know, he scoffed and he laughed and he tried to shake his head. but, he did not -- he did not defend donald trump. he never said, you know, well here's why it's okay to say those things about women. and i think -- >> that's not true, though, karen, what he did was -- he definitely did some deflecting. there's no question about it. but this is politics we're talking about. he did say, and take the time to say that donald trump is often being taken out of context, that

came up most specifically with his comments about mexicans. >> but that's not -- >> that he pointed out to tim kaine donald trump never said i hate all mexicans. he said actually i love all mexicans and that he was only talking about some when he was talking about who comes across the border. so he didn't deflect entirely. >> but let me -- well he deflected quite a bit without actually then getting into the issue, or rather saying, here's why i'm okay with what donald trump said. and here's what your policy is. i think you heard a lot more substance from tim kaine last night i mean when we were talking about immigration reform. the fight against isis. criminal justice reform. i mean you -- that exchange i thought was incredibly powerful. >> which? >> kaine started out -- when they were talking about criminal justice reform and talking about, you know, the need to not be afraid to have a conversation that acknowledges that racial bias still exists in this country. >> and what do you make of pence's point, i agree with you that it was a meaningful point. i thought that and the abortion conversation were the two deepest moments of the night, frankly. but they -- >> absolutely. >> pence's point was, you know,

in the moment of tragedy, when you just have a shooting, and it's not known yet what is true and what is false, is that the time to bring up bias, and bring up problems within policing? that was pence's criticism. what did you make of that? >> well, look, i thought senator kaine did two things that i did not hear from mike pence. number one, he acknowledged, you know, remember, i'm in richmond today, he was the mayor of richmond, so he has a very personal, you know, experience with this in terms of how do you build bonds between communities, and police officerses who serve those communities and he talked about that. he talked about both sides and he talked about this issue of racial bias as being something that is you know kind of stands in the way, and in a way that i just didn't hear mike pence seem to understand that. and again talked about the fact that it is not safe for police officers, and it is not safe for people in the community when there is that kind of distrust and mistrust. so i thought that was a powerful

exchange, i thought it was, you know, overall i thought senator kaine put forward a lot of substance talking about, you know, again the vision that he and hillary clinton have about how we're going to create jobs. how we're going to you know the jobs of tomorrow, with clean energy, advanced manufacturing. the economy. i thought he did an excellent job of pressing the point about donald trump's taxes which, you know, donald trump has been trying to say oh, i'm a genius and i think it was very important that senator kaine call them out and say does that mean the rest of us are stupid? those of us who pay our taxes, and our taxes go to police officers, and it goes to our -- our 9/11 first responders who were so heroic on that day. goes to teachers, it goes to things that we value and believe are important, you know, as a society. i mean year all i just thought senator kaine did an excellent job and i think mike pence made a lot of the conversation today that we're having. he went in there with a goal of trying to change the narrative for the trump campaign and i don't think he did that. and i certainly don't think he

did it for the better. because the conversation and the chatter today is why wouldn't mike pence defend donald trump? >> well that's part of the chatter. >> i think that is the kind of -- >> part of the chatter is that he comported himself very well, he won in the cnn poll. tim kaine came after him too much. the day after the debate is often more exciting than the debate itself. i appreciate your take karen finney as always. >> all right. nice to see you. >> alisyn? >> all right, so how will the vice presidential debate impact the campaign twral today? cnn's sunlen serfaty is live in philadelphia where tim kaine will be campaigning. what's the plan there? >> well, alisyn, good morning to you. reverberations certainly will hit the campaign trail today after last night's debate. and the focus will start to reshift and refocus to the top of the ticket. hillary clinton already signaling she intends to make an issue as you heard karen finney talking about one of the narratives coming out of last night's debate that mike pence

wasn't forceful enough in defending donald trump, dodged opportunities to do so. hillary clinton tweeting overnight that she's happy in her running mate to have someone like tim kaine who in her words stood up for our shared vision, instead of trying to deny it. out for both candidates it is all about looking forward now. now only four days away from their next big debate on sunday. hillary clinton will be behind closed doors. largely focused on debate prep over the next few days. donald trump will be wrapping up a west coast swing campaigning out in nevada today where certainly for him coming out of last night and seeing mike pence's very disciplined, very prepared debate style, the big question is, will donald trump learn some lessons from his running mate potentially apply that on sunday? >> good questions sunlen. very interesting tweet from donald trump last night. he said, mike pence did his homework to take on tim kaine. i wonder if -- >> note to self. >> yeah, maybe read a little bit before you go into one of these things. who knows what happens.

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donald trump's running mate mike pence tried to turn the tables on hillary clinton last night attempting to paint her campaign as insult driven. >> senator, you and hillary clinton would know a lot abouten

any sult-driven campaign. the campaign of hillary clinton and tim kaine has been an avalanche of insults. i was listening to the avalanche of insults coming out of senator kaine a minute ago. just trying to keep up with the insult driven campaign on the other side of the table. >> i'm just saying facts about your running mate. >> let's discuss this and so much more with the trump campaign's senior communications adviser jason miller. great to have you in studio. >> good morning. thanks for having me. >> one basket of deplorables, trumps all of the insults that have come throughout this campaign from your side? really? >> i think governor pence did a fantastic job last night. we really saw a unified ticket on our side. i think we saw governor pence do a really good job of showing that ideas matter. that our plans for lowering taxes, shrinking the size of government, defending our country, making it safe again, really rose through. >> will you try to continue that message that we just heard that hillary clinton is a more insult driven campaign than what donald

trump has been? >> well it's funny some of the comments that we saw last night and some of the things we're seeing people say this morning. i think you're seeing the clinton/kaine campaign completely unhinged this morning. >> this sounds like a talking point. i heard that that word unhinged from another one of the surrogates. what do you mean unhinged? >> i think the 70-plus interruptions from senator kaine went to that. and senator kaine had a very tough time defending their ideas. that's what this campaign is going to come down to, who has the right ideas to get this country back on track? this is a changed election. upwards of 68%, 70% of the people think we're going in the wrong direction. at the end of the day that's what people are going to be thinking about is do they want a change? if you do want a change i think we have the right ticket. >> it sounds like governor mike pence had a different take on vladimir putin last night than what we've heard in the past from donald trump. so let me play that moment for you last night. >> the small and bullying leader of russia is now dictating terms to the united states to the point where all the united

states of america the greatest nation on earth, just withdraws from talks about a cease-fire while vladimir putin puts a missile defense system in syria, while he marshals the forces -- >> so small and bullying is differenten from great and strong. which is how donald trump has described vladimir putin. so which one is it? >> governor pence was saying we need american leaders willing to stand up and be tough. to foreign leaders. and whether that's putin, whether that's anybody else, with the trump/pence team we're going to have a government. we're going to have leaders who foreign leaders will respect. that was the point that governor pence was making. >> donald trump has spoken in a complimentary fashion of vladimir putin. in fact he has said, if he says great things about me, i'll say great things about him. that's an interesting diplomatic poli policy. he's never called him small and bullying. is that how donald trump feels about vlad heir putin. >> number one we have to be able to stand up to foreign leaders.

there's also no reason why we can't work with foreign leaders. for example to defeat isis. we should be able to work with foreign leaders to defeat isis. that's something that mr. trump has consistently said. >> you know, philippines president duterte keeps insulting the u.s., and president obama. what would donald trump do if a president insulted him? >> well, they're not going to insult mr. trump the same way they have insulted president obama. >> you don't think that the president of the philippines, who keeps saying he's a lightning rod, and keeps saying outlandish things, you think that if donald trump were president all of that would go away no foreign leaders would ever insult the u.s. president? >> i think what you're going to see is we're going to get back to winning again and that's with mr. trump in the presidency he's going to be someone who these foreign leaders will respect. >> i'm sorry, i want to move on but i just want to make sure you think that so if he were insulted, if donald trump were insulted, by any foreign leader, what would he do? >> i think he probably would speak his mind like mr. trump does speak his mind. but again even before that i think they're going to respect

him in a completely different light. when you look at secretary clinton, her failed leadership, president obama's failed leadership we've seen everything go terribly over the past eight years with the wriez of isis, the middle east becoming less stabilized. that's not going to happen with mr. trump. >> what did donald trump learn from last night's debate? >> that he has a fantastic running mate in governor pence. i think this goes to mr. trump's excellent judgment to pick someone like governor pence to be his number two. he always said he's going surround himself with the best people. the vice presidential pick, building out a cabinet. what we saw last night is someone who is ready to step up and lead when called upon. >> what did donald trump learn about debate preparation and how to engage in a debate? >> well, governor pence did a fantastic job and i think mr. trump did a very good job in his first debate, as well. mr. trump will be ready as we approach sunday, and as we look at it i think the town hall format suits mr. trump very well. i think that's where he has the opportunity to connect with people, in a way that hillary

clinton can't. and there's no amount of programming, or different lines, that someone can memorize going into a town hall format that i think can really prepare you for it. either you connect with people and you have ideas that will move us forward, or you don't. >> this is a different format. certainly. and the town hall will be a different set of muscles. but will mr. trump be doing some mock debates in the future? >> he'll certainly be doing debate prep in advance of sunday and i think he'll be ready. and i think that we had a fantastic performance in the first debate. governor pence did very well last night and mr. trump will be ready on sunday. >> i want to talk to you about donald trump's taxes very briefly. has he paid federal income tax in the past 18 years? >> mr. trump has paid hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. >> in federal income taxes. >> state taxes, local taxes, sales taxes, federal taxes. >> what about federal income taxes. >> mr. trump has paid hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. he's paid all the taxes that he owes and when the routine audit is complete you will see just

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when you talk about the mental health problems, when people come back from war and combat and they see things that maybe a lot of the folks in this room have seen many times over

and you're strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people can't handle it. >> donald trump, sparking another controversy this week. and rightly so. when suggesting that veterans who struggle with post traumatic stress are not strong, this isn't about malice. it's not about being insulting. it's just wrong. and it plays to an ignorance that should be condemned. and it has been by many including our next guest, stephanie king. her son served for us and died this january, after struggling with ptsd. she wrote the cover story for the new york daily news yesterday stressing, quote, my son was not weak. joining her this morning is the research director for iraq and afghanistan, veterans for america, the iava jackie. thank you to both of you for being with us this morning. i am sorry for your loss. >> thank you. >> and i believe an entire family of a service member serves. and we thank you. >> thank you. >> for the service of your family.

i read your piece. i get why you are angry about this. and i get that you're not angry at trump for taking a shot at veterans. that's not what you believe this is about. what is it about? >> i'm really frustrated that somebody who doesn't understand what ptsd really is thinks they have a voice to speak on the subject. to say that somebody who comes back and looks fine from war is strong indicates that you think that somebody who comes back and asks for help is not strong. my son was a very strong young man who devoted his life to serving this country. very honorably, and he deserves more respect and understanding for the situation that he was going through. >> what do people need to understand? about the additional difficulty of dealing with post traumatic stress? the stigma. the concern of shame and how you have to battle that to come forward and acknowledge this? >> well, that's exactly the

question here. my son served after his deployment he served for several years, and he struggled very desperately with the ptsd situation. but he didn't want to tell anybody because he was afraid he would be asked to leave the service. he wanted to stay in the service for the duration, for the rest of his life. he wanted to be a soldier. and it finally came to the point where he could no longer serve because he was struggling so. people need to understand that this is a medical condition, an illness that needs to be helped. the v.a. needs to step in, and serve the people who have served the country in a much more efficient and timely manner and with compassion. he did not have that help. and it wasn't because the v.a. didn't want to. bought because they didn't have the resources to do it. >> jackie, paul reichoff head of the iava jumped on me and said do not miss this opportunity.

do not make it about the politics. 23 you're going to be commander in chief, if you're going to be president you have to speak with knowledge and sensitivity on this issue. why is it is important to you? >> this is so important for us. i'm a research director for iava. one of my roles is to hear from our members every year and our member survey, and this year in our latest member survey, 20% of those 40 said that they were struggling with a mental health injury, they -- they were not seeking help. and stigma is a big part of this. the message we really need to send is those who are struggling with mental health, ptsd and others, we need to make sure that they know that we're -- we're supporting them, we're here for them, and there are resources out there to get them the help they need. >> one of the things that came in response to this, because it was put in a political context, you can have people who are going to defend trump, who support him, it doesn't matter what the situation is, even this one. because it's political. and, and people have come --

just pc saying strong, not strong, you know, you're making too much of it. what's your response? >> i lived with a child who had ptsd. this child could not go out of his house during the daylight hours, because he didn't want to be seen. this is not political correctness. this is concern and respect, and understanding. and if you aren't educated in the topic, you should leave that conversation up to the people who are educated in the topic. fight for the veterans. fight for the v.a. to serve better. but don't speak on things you don't know about. this is not an issue of political correctness. this is an issue of understanding, and compassion, and there was no understanding or compassion in what he said. i'm not angry so much at donald trump for trying to help the v.a. as i am frustrated with the fact that he showed that he didn't understand what he was talking about. >> is there any silver lining in this, jackie, in terms of people coming forward in the wake of

the bravery of mrs. keoghan to come forward and talk about this and her family's loss, you know, giving it some acknowledgment, are you getting any kind of people asking for information, about knowing more or getting help? >> yeah. i mean, it's so important to continue this conversation. and whenever we have the opportunity to really bring this to light this has to be in the light all of the time. there are veterans, service members, their families and others, this is not just a veteran issue. there are others who are also struggling with ptsd. so to be able to have a real conversation about what ptsd is, about the resources that are out there, and to ensure that everybody out there knows that there is help available, and we're going to help them get there. the one thing i would like to just shout out to the national center for ptsd, if you are someone who wants to learn more about ptsd, the national center is a fantastic resource. and also, of course, iava.org, we can help you to find the resources you need to learn

more, and understand how to talk about this because talking about it is the first step to really crushing the stigma, and allowing individuals to feel comfortable coming out and getting the help that they need. >> let's end this segment by showing your son in uniform. very often, you know, you don't want these fighting men and women to be only remembered for what took them but how they were when they were at their best. there he is with a big smile on his face, serving his country. >> yep. my son. beautiful boy. inside and out. >> thank you for representing him so well. >> thank you. >> and taking this on. i know that you don't want to be involved in this kind of public debate but it mattered to you, and you did it for the right reasons. thank you for doing it on "new day." >> thank you very much. >> alisyn? >> what a handsome guy. well, meanwhile, how will last night's debate affect sunday's presidential face-off? and was mike pence setting the stage for his own presidential run? we discuss all of that next on the bottom line. guess what guys, i switched to sprint.

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all right. so did last night's debate move the needle in the campaign? what are the big takeaways? here with the bottom line is cnn

political director david chalian. david, great to see you. so, what changes today? >> well, to answer your question, alisyn, i don't think it's going to move the needle all that much. clearly, mike pence did himself some good. he won the debate, according to our poll. he had a very smooth performance. he didn't take the bait from tim kaine for the most part. but, in terms of we asked folks, so how does this impact your vote and a slim majority says it doesn't make me want to vote one way or the other for trump or clinton. so i don't think that it actually moves the needle. which means that, you know, it's donald trump still has a big task ahead of him this sunday because he does need to move the needle in this race. >> david, let me ask you something. i was just checking my phone, because there's so much strong reaction to this ptsd story. it didn't come up last night with donald trump had said a lot about mike pence with lgbt rights and planned parenthood didn't really come up there were a lot left on the table maybe even for both sides. what do you think that suggests

about what maybe doubled up on the next time? >> well, listen, i think that the vice presidential candidates did cover some ground not covered in the first presidential debate, chris. but we're still going to need to hear from donald trump and hillary clinton themselves on some of these topics. whether her comments about deplorables, or his tax returns, i would imagine that that stuff is not exhausted for the next two presidential debates. because it's one thing for the vice presidential candidates to talk about it. but we do still want to hear from the candidates themselves. and the ptsd comments that you were discussing clearly seems to me like that could be fodder for one of the future presidential debates. >> we just had jason miller on from the trump campaign and he shared with us what he thinks the takeaway is from last night. let me play that for you, david. >> oh, okay well basically what he said governor pence was flawless, tonight showed his strength of the trump/pence ticket and our ideas are better for america, ultimately it

showed the -- >> good judgment donald trump has in selecting such a strong number two in governor pence. >> teamwork. so do you think that that is it that it somehow elevated donald trump's judgment? >> i don't necessarily know that people are going to go back and reflect on donald trump's judgment. i think mike pence did himself well, did the ticket well. if you look at the three finalists, newt gingrich, mike pence, chris christie, in that final vp selection process for donald trump i don't think newt gingrich or chris christie probably would have delivered this kind of debate performance, which was every time that tim kaine tried to raise the temperature in the room, mike pence came in to cool it off. that's not sort of a feature well known to newt gingrich or chris christie. >> the proposition of what trump says, versus what hillary clinton has done. if that's the proposition for voters of analysis, is that going to play to advantage for one side or the other? >> i -- both sides see opportunity in precisely those things.

that you're saying. it is -- you know, the last nbc/"wall street journal" poll that i saw, his -- trump's comments about immigrants, about women, were one of the major concerns about him that voters still had. i think that's why you saw tim kaine hitting rapists and criminals over and over again, bringing up birtherism again. sort of the great controversies of donald trump, and what he has said to remind the tens of millions tuning in about that but mike pence did i think a much better job than did donald trump in trying to turn it back to clinton's record, the obama/clinton administration, and to not be out there trying to defend every one of donald trump's words. instead trying to keep on the attack about their record. >> so, did we actually see mike pence sort of auditioning for his first foray as running for president himself? >> listen, i think mike pence has been keenly aware of his political future throughout this entire process. he has been playing the loyal

soldier to donald trump. cleanup in aisle 5 every few days if there's a controversy to take care of. but trying to do so, obviously, with trying to acquire no damage to his own political prospects. >> right. >> i think that's how last night went for him, too. >> it's a lot easier to be cool defending what somebody else has said and done, than your own self. he got somewhat of a pass last night on what if he ever runs for higher office himself he's going to hear a lot about in terms of his social issue positions. don't you think? >> sure. obviously if you're running for president your record, your votes, your quotes, that is what you have to stand and defend. i agree that that won't be as smooth sailing for him. but i do think he has, throughout this process, while being the loyal soldier, trying not to whatever negative may exist about donald trump in voters' minds, try not to have too much of that on him to preserve his political future. >> david chalian, thank you very much for the bottom line. great to talk to you. >> thank you.

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hurricane matthew bearing down on the bahamas at this hour. the storm already slammed haiti and cuba, devastating those islands with floods, and strong winds. the east coast on high alert now. so will this major hurricane make landfall in the u.s., and when? joining us now is cnn meteorologist chad myers and dr. rick nba, director of the national hurricane center. i know you've just gotten a new advisory out. tell us what you're seeing. >> we do have both noaa and hurricane -- and air force hurricane hunter aircraft inside of matthew right now and based on the data we've seen so far we went out with 115 miles per hour category 3 but you can see the thunderstorm activity getting more organized now that it's cleared eastern cuba. we would not be surprised to see the winds increase, and even if it reaches a stronger intensity later, it could come back down, major hurricanes tend to go through fluctuations. but the bottom line is, we are

forecasting a major hurricane, category 3 or stronger to approach florida, and it could even come ashore in the hurricane warning area in florida, as a major hurricane tomorrow night. >> okay. tomorrow night is what you're seeing. chad what are you seeing in terms of the timing of this for west palm, as well as the strength when it hits? >> sure. well, late tomorrow night, after dark, which always the worst time for a storm to hit, you don't really see it coming. you're less prepared, you don't know where the storm or the winds or the -- are coming from, dr. knabb something else you changed today is the, i know we have big errors in day four and five, but day five, way out here now not running up the east coast. that is a major change from yesterday, and in fact some of the models will make this whole thing do a loop, dr. knabb how confident are you the storm will not turn up toward new york or new england? >> we're actually, chad, in the middle of evaluating those model

runs right now. we could not be surprised to see changes in our forecast day four and five, but our forecasters are busy poring over that right now. i wouldn't be surprised to see some changes. back to the timing issue, when it comes to south florida, preparation time is today and tonight. because, even before the center of matthew might arrive near over the coast the bad weather will start tomorrow morning. so today, and tonight, is preparation time in the hurricane warning area. >> chad, category 4, that's scary. winds between 130 and 156 miles per hour. is that what you're seeing could hit the u.s. mainland? >> you know, this has been a major hurricane now for five days. the last one that was this plong as a manger hurricane was ivan. think about how much damage that thing did. yes, of course, a category 4 making landfall. and it will make a huge difference, alisyn, whether we are 60 miles offshore or right along the shore or even on land. so that's all still in the cone. i mean we're talking from a billion dollar storm to a wind maker that people are going to go, what was that all about.

it's the left and the right movement is still not determined. florida, you are still in the cone, it's time to take and make those precautions now. what kind of preparations should they be taking dr. knabb? just quickly with that? >> well, the coastal inland folks need to be preparing. but if you're at the coast and emergency manager tells you to evacuate because of storm surge, you go. do preliminary preparations now. but i'm putting my shutters up. i live in inland fort lauderdale area, and it's not just going to be coastal event. and even if the center does stay offshore by some distance it's a big enough system, tropical storm force winds extend outword up to 160 miles. hurricane force out to 40 miles. you don't have to have landfall to have the center of action happening on land. >> clad myers, dr. rick knabb thank you for all the warnings. people need to heed the warnings and start evacuating if that's what your emergency managers are saying. we will be following this throughout the day as well as tomorrow. >> so in light of what we just

heard, millions of people along the east coast are getting ready for hurricane matthew. florida's governor is urging people in the state to prepare for a direct hit. what does that mean? well it depends on where you are. boris sanchez is live in daytona beach, florida, where people are preparing for the worst. now tell us, boris, what is the worst being defined as for the people there? >> well, chris, that would be a catastrophe severe flooding, high winds, knocking debris into the streets. the kind of storm we're used to seeing in florida, fortunately people are preparing. as you said, governor rick scott declaring a state of emergency across the state. calling this storm extremely dangerous. seven people have been killed in the caribbean. and fortunately people here are taking it very seriously. already we've seen enormous lines outside of gas stations. i talked to a friend in miami who said she was waiting in line for an hour and still couldn't get gas. the gas station ran out. also we've seen grocery stores entire shelves of water and

nonperishable food items just gone. right now it appears the storm is going to craze the coast but people are preparing for that direct hit. we've already heard that there are more than 500 national guard members deployed. obviously a storm that could pack a serious punch, alisyn. >> okay, boris, thanks so much for keeping an eye on all of that for us. we'll be checking with you throughout the day. a little levity, late night laughs are next. some comedians are turning the biggest story of the year into a fairy tale. >> hmm. >> once upon a time, there was a man who didn't release his taxes. and a woman who didn't release her e-mails. and fight.

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all right. we know the late night guys are going to talk about the presidential candidates. but it's how they do it. you know what? your man gary johnson is now in the mix. >> oh. >> so is alisyn. take a look.

>> politico is saying this is the week that will decide the election. americans are furious. you mean i paid attention to the last 65 weeks for nothing? >> for those of you who missed the debate i'll boil it down for you. once upon a time, there was a man who didn't release his taxes. and a woman who didn't release her e-mails. and fight. >> one of the things i noticed was how much the candidates were writing frantically while the other candidate was speaking. and, um, i was curious what that was. so i believe we've obtained a close-up of what tim kaine was writing. okay that makes sense. and mike pence. mike pence. okay, good, he did. mission accomplished. mission accomplished. >> we have to talk about third party candidate gary johnson who appeared on news shows this morning to explain his recent gaffes. he took the opportunity to clear the air, and boy did he do a great job.

>> first there was the aleppo moment where you didn't know what aleppo was. and then you couldn't name your favorite foreign leader. so what's, what's going on with you and foreign affairs? how you do explain 240es moments? >> well, alisyn what is it five days now after the name your favorite foreign leader, i still can't do that. >> five days later, he says he still can't name a foreign leader. but maybe we're being unfair. like we're asking a guy to name his favorite foreign leader when there's not even any evidence this guy can comb his hair. >> first i've arrived. that is the -- >> why did he say news shows. we always say the name of his 140e. >> that's right. next up car pool karaoke. that's what i'm pulling for. >> five days later and i still

can't do that. >> because he tripped up on the favorite part. not the foreign leader part the favorite part is what tripped him up. >> he needs to put more emphasis on that part of the answer. >> and more hair gel. thanks so much for joining us for this special edition of "new day." time now for "newsroom" with carol castillo. take it away. >> you get to do car pool karaoke i want to do it with you, alisyn. >> that's a deal. >> all the same. >> absolutely, we're sending word out now. thanks, guys, we'll see you later. "newsroom" starts now. and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. the vice presidential debate between tim kaine and mike pence, lots of jabs, insults and interruptions but the number one job for the two men, do not hurt their own campaign. by most accounts, mission accomplished. >> the thought of donald trump as commander