has become in part so conflict-oriented and so intense because there is a lot at stake. this is not an ordinary time and this is not an ordinary election. we are going to be choosing a president who will set policy for not just four or eight years, but some of the important decisions we have to make at home and around the world to energy and so much else. so there is a lot at stake. it's one of the most consequential elections we had. that's why i tried to put forth specific policies and plans. try to get it off of the personal and put it on to what it is on i want to do as president. that's why i hope people will check on that for themselves. so they can see that yes, i spent 30 years, actually a little more, working to help

kids and families and i want to take that experience to the white house and do that every single day. >> mr. trump? >> well, i consider her statement about my children to be a very nice compliment. i don't know if it was meant to be a compliment, but i'm proud of my children. they have done a wonderful job and they have been wonderful kids. i consider that a compliment. i will say that about hillary. she doesn't quit and doesn't give up. i respect that. i it like it is. she is a fighter. i disagree with much of what she is fighting for. i do disagree with her judgment in many cases, but she fights hard and doesn't quit or give up, but that is a good trait. >> thanks to both of you. >> i want to thank the university here and this concludes the town hall meeting.

thank you to washington university and everybody who watched. >> tune in on october 19th for the final debate at the university of nevada las vegas. good night, everyone. >> that's it. the 90-minute debate is now over. history has been made. the end of this is relatively positive. you see them shaking hands, something they refused to do at the beginning of this debate. this was a moment that the presidential candidates took the gloves off and them away and defined very often by insults, offenses and interruptions. donald trump came into the debate behind in the polls and facing a mass defection from members of his own party. did tonight change any of that? >> the first 20 minutes to a half hour, i thought donald trump was erratic and going off

the rails and then i thought he turned it around to a degree that he prosecuted the case that was effective and stayed with the scene of she has been in washington for a long time and it's all words and no action. i thought this was a debate performance than his first. he may have stopped some of the bleeding we have seen in his campaign in recent days. you have 16 republican senators abandoning his bid saying they won't vote for him and he should think about quitting the ticket. he did himself a favor with that. his base and supporters will be happy with tonight's performance. did he add to his voters? i don't know that he did. my impression is basically that this might be something of a wash. hillary clinton was okay. she was effective and obviously knows much more about policy. her temperament was much more even throughout, but he laid his

gloves on her in terms of the e-mail issue specifically. i don't think she was as effective of a counter puncher armed with this tape that came out from friday. probably the strategy for clinton going into this is have a fine debate. if it's a wash, that's fine. if he self destructs, that's better. he is still losing and he will have to really have an amazing performance over the next 30 days to beat her. overall looking through the lens of an undecided voter, probably this doesn't move the needle and stopped the bad news for donald trump that might have come tomorrow in terms of further defections. i think hillary clinton is still in the lead in this race. we have 30 days to go or less and there is a lot more that is

about to be dropped. >> what was your main take away, dana? >> that donald trump used the locker room term more than once. that was shunned by most of his fellow republicans who were not happy with his initial response to the tape that came out earlier over the weekend. he did it a couple of times and wasn't as contrite as i thought he was going to be. more importantly how a lot of republicans wanted him to be to use jake's term to stop republican bleeding. he did get his mojo throughout the debate using a term he hated, i'm told, in the first debate prep. he did a lot this time. he pivoted and tried not to take hillary clinton as he did in the first debate.

it got to the point where i was floored when i heard him say on the debate stage that he disagrees with his vice presidential running mate on an important policy matter such as syria. mike pence talked about air strikes and it's something he said he is not for. you have to wonder whether or not that was pay back for mike pence being so aggressively a posed to him and condemning him because of that tape. >> he spoke for 40 minutes and 10 seconds and hillary clinton spoke for 39 minutes and five seconds. you didn't hear a robust emotional apology. >> the inbox from republicans, that's one of the things they are worried about. that's powerful for hillary

clinton to use him saying such vulgar things about women and he didn't say anything aggressively. he didn't do that behavior and he was impressed by anderson cooper and he said and talks in the tape about assaulting women. he said he didn't do those and he apologized. nowhere near as aggressive as many republicans wanted. he went into the personal attacks of bringing bill clinton into it. i think it will be based on where do you stand from a partisan perspective. what donald trump is doing is getting more engaged and counter punching. throwing mike pence under the bus is an interesting dynamic and he did say that yes, he took that giant deduction so he wouldn't pay federal income taxes. you can bet that's coming to a tv ad without a doubt. >> that is true.

>> back to you. >> let's check in with the panel of experts. i said it was a wash, but feel free to disagree. >> at the beginning donald trump did the opposite of what i thought he should have done. he said he was embarrassed by this. the videotape. he said it was locker room talk. he did not apologize to the women involve and said it was words and nothing more than that. period. end of sentence. it was nothing more than anything he had said and had the press conference about bill clinton. we knew that story and when asked are you different than at the young age of 59, he said i'm not proud of it and i have great respect for people, my family. hillary got him on that because

she said you needed to apologize. for the rest of the debate. i think donald trump when he got over that was more disciplined, attacking hillary on the e-mail issue where she is vulnerable. i think in a sense he may have done enough. she seemed a little stilted at times and i think he may have done enough to stop the bleeding and i'm not sure minds were changed. so much has occurred over the last 48 hours and the last week that people have to digest all of this including the debate tonight to see where they stand. i want to echo one thing that dana said was the mike pence remark. he is praising a dictator who was trying to interfere with our election, period. whom his running mate said we

should stand up to and putin is propping up. that struck a note. >> here disagrees with him. >> i'm sure you watched the debate as we all did. we commented on the issues. we are not the same policy. give it a broader look.

much better counter puncher. i think he did poorly on that question and poorly on the strange syria discussion where he got off on a rand. we will leave a lot of questions and led to the mike pence question. the lincoln comment was good. at the end of the day, i come to the same conclusion. i think she probably wins at some point and i don't think it changes much. >> just to set the stage, this has been one of the most disastrous periods. and before this debate.

>> i think he felt the panic among most of the republicans at least for now. that's a good thing for donald trump and a lot of democrats came in thinking that hillary clinton was going to knock him out and have a strong performance. no question on where the race stood. she was fine. stylistically she was pacing around and standing over her in the shots. that will be a lot of material for snl. she counter punches on you have been there for 30 years and she listed all the things she had done. children's health care and expanding health care and veterans and secretary of state and 400 pieces of legislation. that was a good moment for her. she dropped one of the hillary

clinton new information things and the alicia machado things. gobbling up illegal steel from china. that hurts american workers. >> he was border line in free fall as the evening began and by the end of the night and by the end of the debate, we are not talking about the trump tape. he was able to pivot away and barely controlled at some point. it was a greatest hits real for the 14 million who voted for him. no hand shake at the out set. bill's infidelities and the e-mail erasure and islam and dishonesty and the media, you will hear a lot about how they

reported the role of the moderators in this. i think those who voted for him got everything they wanted in their vote. did he grow? i can't see any out reej and i looked for the moments that i thought he could have expand the the base. not a knockout, but his night on points. >> where could he have expanded the base? there was a ms. limit american woman who spoke and an african-american who wanted the country and james carter who wanted the country to be united and would he bring us together. where were the students that he said he didn't take? >> he could have been more expansive and rather than repeal and replace it with what and how and whom it would benefit. he could talk more about the reform he wants in the tax code aside from getting rid of

interests for wealthy people. where he always falls down is that he goes on the about x, y or z, he deflects and goes on the attack that hillary has been here for 30 years and didn't do anything. the way you bring people into the tent is to tell them exactly what you would do for them. like taxes and health care, i still do not think that we got much beyond obamacare is a disaster and why didn't she fix the tax code? and by the way, i think we might have heard him admit, i'm not sure about this, that he did use on the $918 million debt, that he actually used that not to pay taxes. >> he did say. he didn't say how long but he did say he use it. >> i think the trump teams thinks they are reaching out to

suburban, white women and college-educated women when they talk about african-americans and hispanics, he hurts his case because of his record and the way he talks about african-americans and the way that he tends to say the african-americans and not just african-americans, which is a way of referring to folks in deeply odd. i think they are doing that but i don't think there's any success in growing that tent. >> the real question is, they fear he doesn't have the right temperament or command, were they assured tonight or think of him differently as a result of this performance. i agree with michael, he was speaking to the base and i think the base is probably very happy. the base is just not big enough to win the election. >> the demographics of the country are such -- i'm sorry to hit this point again, george

herbert walker bush and mitt romney got the same percentage of the white vote. and there in a nutshell is the changing demographic of the country and that's why the missed opportunity was with the muslim woman and african-american man at the end. >> where he's doing poorly, he needs to improve significantly, has to do with college educated white voters. he's even with college educated white men. >> health care and their families. >> there was a poll out today in your home state and your home state that had him leading among college educated voters, white voters by 20 points. this is a cohert that romney carried. >> they think he's a bigot.

>> right. that's why you hear hillary clinton, all of her ads, are about donald trump and what he said and those words, whether it's about women, whether it's about the birther controversy, those things turn off college-educated white voters. he can't undo that because he spent so much time branding himself in that way as this kind of unreconstructed alpha male and the tape only underscores that. >> let me say one thing about the tape. we're all talking about the debate and that's going to be our focus until 1:00 in the morning. tomorrow morning we wake up in a world where the debate is over. we're not talking about it. we're talking about something else. i can't help but think the clinton campaign is going to make sure that that tape is everywhere from now until the election. >> and for those women -- >> that story is going to get told. >> college educated white women that we've been talking about. >> can i make one other point which is that it's very clear they don't like each other very

much. it was kind of an irritating debate in that sense because they are firing these jives back and forth what was missing from it was any invocation of people, humanity. we're in a town hall meeting. the only person that was raised -- i think hillary clinton raised an individual to weaponize that story against donald trump. the day-to-day struggle, we talked about health care and nobody mentioned health care. i was surprised by that. >> let's go back to the tape. i want to play donald trump's response when the subject of this access hollywood tape him talking crudely about women, seeming to boast about grabbing women. here's his response. >> you've called what you call locker room wanter. you've bragged that you sexually

assaulted women. >> no. i didn't say that. this was locker room talk. i'm not proud of it. i apologized to my family. i apologized to the american people. certainly i'm not proud of it. but this is locker room talk. you know, when we have a world where you have isis chopping off heads, where you have -- and frankly drowning people in steel cages, where you have wars and horrible, horrible sites all over, where you have so many bad things happening, this is like medieval times. we haven't seen anything like this, the carnage all over the world. they look and they see. can you imagine the people that are frankly doing so well against us with isis and they look at our country and see what is going on. yes, i'm very embarrassed by it. i hate it. but it's locker room talk and it's one of those things. i will knock the hell out of isis. we're going to defeat isis. isis happened a number of years ago in a vacuum that was left because of bad judgment. and i will tell you, i will take

care of isis. >> so it was locker room talk but nothing compared to isis and i will take care of isis. >> rather than apologizing, he minimized. that was something here that everybody here agreed he should avoid doing. if the only thing you have to say about yourself is i'm not as bad as isis, that's your defense, there's something wrong with that kind of a response. the other thing is that you cannot underestimate the history made in our country, a line was crossed that i don't know has been crossed in our lifetime, maybe ever. he threatened to jail his oi opponent. >> right. >> he threatened to jail hillary clinton if he became president of the united states. that is something that i think is a new low in american democracy. but i will say something maybe

provocative. the worst possible outcome for hillary clinton would have been if she had knocked him out. if she had knocked him out and forced him out of the race, the republican party could rally and get somebody else in there. it was a good outcome for her. he did well enough. he is going to bleed out. >> to read the transcripts, donald trump issued three more apologies. he's now up to issuing five. that's enough for most of the american people. i'm still waiting on the media to call for an apology for hillary lying to the benghazi families because of the video. i think something very big happened tonight that i think is lost upon most of us. what we saw tonight was someone speak for the people against the washington elite. there are people in this country, two-thirds of the

country think we're in the wrong direction. they are tired of being promised hope and change which is what president obama promised the millennials. you saw donald trump flawlessly expose the justice when he said if someone in american citizen had done one-fifth of what you had done with your e-mails, their lives would have been destroyed and there was an audible boo from the audience because people know hillary clinton lied when she retorted with the fact that i didn't do anything wrong with my e-mails. two standards. the washington elite get one and we as the american people get the other. >> we heard both sides but let me go into -- let me play some of what you're talking about and specifically van jones it's the moment that you referred to where he said that were he in charge of the laws, she would be in jail. >> i didn't think i'd say this, but i'm going to say it and i hate to say it, but if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney

general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so much deception, there has never been anything like it and we're going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak, i go out and speak and the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the fbi are furious. there has never been anything like this where e-mails and you get a subpoena, you get a subpoena and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 e-mails. and then you acid wash them or bleach them, a very expensive process. so we're going to get a special prosecutor and look into it because, you know what, people have been -- their lives have been destroyed for doing one-fifth of what you have done and it's a disgrace and honestly you ought to be ashamed of yourself. >> everything he said is

absolutely false but i'm not surprised. it would be impossible to fact check donald all the time. i'd never get to talk about anything i want to do and how we are going to make lives better for people. so once again, go to hillaryclinton.com. we have trump and you can fact check him in realtime. >> because you'd be in jail. >> so jeffrey, i heard you laughing. honestly, that is a crowd pleaser for trump supporters. there's no question about that. >> yeah. >> he already has trump supporters. they already support him. is that the kind of line that exemplifies the kind of temperament of those undecided that want to hear from him? >> media elites, the

politicians, et cetera, who, as he said repeatedly there, talk, talk, talk, they never get anything done and they lie and disassemble and she would, in fact, if she were not hillary clinton, she would be in huge trouble with these e-mails and she would conceivably be going to jail. other people have gone to jail for these kinds of problems. so what he's doing there is hitting the broad themes, won t -- one, the division and her character and the quinn knee pea jack poll where they asked people to free associate, you know, one word descriptions of the candidates and for her it was dishonest and liar. that's -- >> that's a bogus poll. i think the biggest ones are unflattering as well. i take your point on the fact that she has very, very low trustworthy and honesty numbers. >> the strategic context in

which this debate occurs is the trump campaign meltdown, especially with women, because of this really horrific tape where he brags about committing sexual assault. i don't think he put it to bed. you keep hearing stories that there's more tapes to come. people keep saying we're going to go through these tapes. he did nothing to put it behind him. tonight's audience, i bet you a nickel, will be much more female than male. tonight we're up against that. the performance he put on, first, being so bizarre about this sexual assault, he mentioned isis, immigration and the economy and one of the follow-ups, he rambled on about sydney blumenthal and debbie wasserman schultz. and then the style throughout the debate, i kept hearing from a lot of women, they didn't like

the pacing and stalking and creepy behavior when he wasn't speaking towards hillary. last time he got in trouble for interrupting. he did a fair amount of that again. he picked unwise fights with martha raddatz, also, less so than with anderson. as a super pac guy opposing trump and supporting hillary, i would be happy about this. >> all right. we're going to keep it there. everybody stay. we still have two hours. wolf, back to you. >> anderson -- i mean jake, thank you very much. we have an excellent moment right now to discuss something i've never heard in any of these debates before between two presidential candidates and dana, let's talk about this. one candidate says not only is he going to put forward a special prosecutor to investigate his rival, but he's

going to put her in jail if easy elected president of the united states. that's pretty extraordinary. >> okay. not to sound too corny, but what makes this country different from countries with dictators in africa or stalin or hitler or countries with dictators and totalitarian leaders, when they took over, they put their opponents in jail. to hear one presidential candidate, even if it was a flip comment, you're going to be in jail to another presidential candidate in the united states of america, just stunning. >> it certainly is. >> most of his strategies were clearly designed to listening to his advisers. this was a breitbart strategy. if the goal is to stop the bleeding, if the goal is to stop the bleeding on the right and it may have succeeded in that, if

you look at state by state, if you look at the battleground states and the demographic breakdowns in the state, he is losing now in a way heading into the last 30 days. remember, the timing is critical. some people are already voting. more people will start voting this week. even more vote after that. many in the most important battleground states. he was much more engaged than he was tonight and counter punching and got to some of the issues of her weaknesses to dana's point there. does that win you a vote of a modern woman in the philadelphia suburbs? i bet you not. does it get you rates on another network, you all know who i'm talking about, most likely. >> at least he stopped the bleeding among his own base. >> i think that's a fair assessment. you can see even in the

republicans that don't like trump, they don't think he can win and hurts other senate and house candidates and i know that's what they think inside trump. they had a strong night. >> eric holder apparently just said that trump's threat was like nixonian and will appoint a special prosecutor. first of all, i believe it's kind of a misunderstanding of what is even allowed in the way that the process works but even so, putting that aside, just the threat is something that is going to have ripple effects in the days to come. >> a giant question tonight, again, we know that hillary clinton has barack obama,

michelle obama and there are no other senior -- mike pence did not defend him on the specifics of the donald trump debate and mike pence did stand by him this weekend. mike pence, a christian conservative whose wife i'm told was horrified when she heard that tape and talked to her husband about it, he did stand by donald trump. >> he did put out a tweet, mike pence, going ahead and endorsing -- take a look at this. "congrats to my running mate on a big debate win. proud to stand with you as we #makeamericagreatagain." brianna keilar, you have a guest here in the spin room. donald trump called hillary

clinton the devil but also made a threat that if he were in charge of the laws of the country that he would jail her, he would imprison her. what's the campaign's reaction? >> well, you know, it's one more over the top statement and fortunately he's not in charge of the laws of the united states and never will be but i think that maybe he was trying to appeal to his base. what we've seen over the last few weeks and particularly over the last few days are republicans peeling off of him in droves. calling her the devil is beneath a presidential candidate and one more reason he doesn't have the temperament to do the job of being president or being the commander in chief. >> the optics from the beginning of the debate were that we saw chelsea clinton and her husband not there to shake the hands of melania trump and her kids as we saw during the first debate and then hillary clinton did not shake hands with donald trump at

the beginning of the debate. that's a very clear signal she was trying to send. >> look, he came in here sort of pulling the stunt that he did at the beginning of this and was on the attack from the beginning. again, i think maybe he was just trying to stabilize his own base of voters even as that shrinking but i think that given what we saw, what we saw in the videotape, what we're seeing now in the howard stern tapes, his failed -- >> reporter: she's trying to signal something. she's trying to signal that she -- >> the behavior is -- doesn't really deserve the respect of a handshake at the beginning. she did shake his hand at the end. i think we came in tonight and even walk back whatever bit of an apology he gave for the "access hollywood" tape that every american has seen over and over again.

>> one of the strategies coming into this was after the tape came out, people who were newly opened to hillary clinton but the assessment seems to be she really just rallied the base and whether or not she has a really expanded it seems that she and donald trump rallied their base. what do you say to that? >> she came in trying to answer the specific questions. this was supposed to be, i think, in my mind, a town hall where voters got to ask specific questions. the moderators asked a lot of questions tonight. but the voters did get to ask questions and i think she wanted to talk about the specific ideas, the specific plans, what she's been able to do in a bipartisan way when she was first lady and senator, the children's health insurance program, the other programs she talked about. most importantly, what she wanted to do was build an economy and not just go to the top. so in doing that, i think what she wanted to accomplish was to say i want to be a president for everyone and i want to have you

listen to me with a positive message, the optimistic view of what america can be. in contrast, i think he was dark and divisive again. >> john podesta with the clinton campaign, back to you guys. >> thank you, brianna keilar. this is donald trump speaking about the former president of the united states, bill clinton. >> i told you there was locker room talk. i am not proud of it. i am a person who has great respect for the american people and my family. bill clinton's words were far worse. there's never been anybody in the history of politics in this nation that's been so abusive to women.

bill clinton was abusive to women. one of the women was raped at 12. her client, she represented, got him off and she's seen laughing on two separate occasions, laughing at the girl who was raped, kathy shelton, that young woman is here with us tonight. so don't tell me about words. i am absolutely -- i apologize for those words. but it is things that people say but what president clinton did, he was impeached, he lost his license to practice law, he had to pay an $850,000 fine to one of the women, paula jones, who is also here tonight, and i will tell you that when hillary brings up a point like that and

she talks about words that i said 11 years ago, i think it's disgraceful and i think she should be ashamed of herself, if you want to know the truth. >> he gets to run his campaign any way he chooses. he gets to decide what he talks about instead of answering people's questions, talking about our agenda, laying out the plans that we have that we think can make a better life and a better country. that's his choice. when i hear something like that, i'm reminded of what my friend michelle advised, when they go low, you go high. and, look, if this were just about one video, maybe what he's saying tonight would be understandable. >> i didn't hear a robust vote of confidence, a defense of her husband in that response because he really went after bill clinton. >> hillary clinton didn't mention bill clinton's behavior at all or defend him. she just went after donald trump and said you're trying to go

back and we're talking about you here. donald trump trying to gin up support. the breitbart conservative media, they think these issues have been ignored or forgotten. the paula jones case, the monica lewinsky case, they think that we should still be talking about this later and trump was trying to connect hillary clinton to that. will that be an effective strategy in the general election? we'll see how it plays out. clearly donald trump came here tonight, when i'm asked about me, i'm going to deflect to bill clinton. i think that it helped him rally conservatives. i also know, from e-mail conversations with clinton campaign people, anderson cooper said this is sexual assault and he said he didn't do it. he said he was just talking about it. in that weekend night video, he didn't address whether or not it actually happened. he just said he was sorry. donald trump said he never did those things. so he was bragging about sexually assaulting women and

said, no, it's locker room talk. that's going to be an ad by the time we get through the end of the week with anderson cooper asking a direct question and donald trump saying it's locker room talk. it's not locker room talk if you're fantasizing or talking about it, it's a crime. >> i will say -- and probably getting similar notes from republicans, i just got one from a top republican who very skittish about donald trump saying that he did okay, acknowledging -- this is among republicans, that the bar is pretty low right now for him to kind of bring some of them back into the fold but that in the words of this republican, he moved the conversation beyond the caught on tape hot mike situation. on the flip side of that, i've been hearing from some democrats who think that hillary clinton did well but wondering why didn't she put it away? wondering what could she have done differently to, after the

weekend that donald trump just had, to just end it, just completely end his candidacy and that she possibly could have with this debate but didn't. >> but you think that's part a result of an hour before the debate he invites these women to come here, not only to do a little joint photo opportunity with him but to sit in the front row. >> you mean she was rattled? >> i don't know. i didn't get the sense that she really changed her strategy much at all. that she was going to do what she was going to do. clearly she was ready for bill clinton's name to come up and made the decision that she wasn't going to go there, that she was going to instead hit some of the demographics that she thinks that donald trump has offended, whether it's the disabled, hispanics, muslims and so forth, we don't know about

the weekend and how that will be processed by the voters and now this debate. hillary clinton kept saying in terms of counter punching and getting to issues more favorable to him, a much better job than the first debate, without a doubt. >> we'll get to our poll results momentarily, who won this debate. in the meantime, let's go back to jake. >> thanks so much. appreciate it. i'm back with our panel. something i want to throw out here, i'll start on this side, the alicia machado moment was a throw away line at the last debate and became a huge story because of how the clinton campaign went with it. one thing i'm wondering if donald trump introduced at this debate might become a bigger thing for the clinton campaign

and i think we can agree they are much more effective at the attacks and commercials with surrogates, et cetera, and that is, donald trump saying that if he gets elected president he's going to ask his attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to put hillary clinton in jail. this is the kind of thing that they do in countries not like the united states, where you lock up and jail your political opponents. this feeds into something that we've heard -- a criticism we've heard more from conservative critics of donald trump, the idea that can you imagine this man with his temperament and drive for vengeance having instruments of government at his hands, the irs, et cetera. i wonder if that actually was a much bigger gaffe than we are making it out to be. >> i think it is. i think it's a huge gaffe. republicans talk about the imperial presidency and how barack obama has abused his executive powers. imagine somebody being asked to serve as attorney general if you knew that a president was going

to direct prosecutions. i'm not a lawyer. but i get that. and it is, as dana was pointing out, nixonian to a great degree and i think that it is also unamerican, to a great degree that he is something that the clinton campaign can use and can use very effectively. also, to me, when he said i put her in jail, lock her up, lock her up, he kind of sort of tried to quiet it a little bit at the convention because he was in presidential mode. this was a primary campaign debate tonight and what he was doing was rallying the base by saying lock her up, effectively, which he did, also calling her a liar multiple times and the devil multiple times and that she had hate in her heart. >> i don't think that's going to play very well with voters.

i think what happened was he said i'm throwing out the playbook. i'm going with the material that has worked for me when i speak at the rallies. this line of prosecuting hillary clinton is something that he's used in his rallies. this is not a new idea. he just raised it to the idea of a debate point here. and my guess is it will resonate well with his base and antagonize the people he needs to grow who worry about the things that you point out and whether he'll handle the job as president in the responsible way. i think he galvanizes the base again, perhaps at the expense of expanding it. >> it's another iteration of an argument about having him near the nuclear codes and he also probably shouldn't have the

instruments of the military. and again it's going to turn off the moderate swing voters who want a steady -- a person, somebody with an approach to issues and it wasn't a plant by hillary clinton in any way. >> i don't really think it's going to end up in an ad because i don't think this is the issue that she wants and cringe worthy for a lot of folks who watched it. >> jake, the two of us have ties to the philly suburbs. i still live there. you have family who are there. i've waited. we're now a month out from the election. less if you start and think that people are already voting and i've been waiting and waiting and waiting for the pivot or outreach to the folks who have come to our area. if we have a nickel for every time they get invoked, even on

"snl," we'll be wealthy individuals. it's never going to happen. this is the donald trump who got this far. there's an emperor who has no clothes kind of thing going on around him where people say you need to pivot won't do so for whatever reason. but this is what got him thus far and this is how he's going to ride it out and he feeds on the reaction from that base which is what keeps him -- >> maybe he took the advice of the people telling him to pivot and be more muted in the last debate and it didn't turn out well for him so he decided, the hell with that. >> just to elaborate, it's not just the philly that we're talking about, we're talking about white, college educated voters, the people in the middle of florida, the people in northern virginia, the suburbs of denver. these are voters that mitt romney did well with, that john

mccain did well with. >> and i know this, i'm sure he will win every online poll and i know that the breitbart crowd ate this up. my question is, did he win over any suburban households in philadelphia? sure. i think

>> i didn't think i'd say this but i'm going to say it. and i hate to say it. but if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney general to

get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so much deception, there's never been anything like it. and we're going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak, i go out and speak. the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the fbi are furious. there has never been anything like this where you get a subpoena and after getting the subpoena, you delete 33,000 e-mails and then you acid wash them or bleach them, as you would say, very expensive process. so we're going to get a special prosecutor and we're going to look into it because, you know what, people have been -- their lives have been destroyed for doing one-fifth of what you have done and you ought to be ashamed of yourself. >> secretary clinton -- >> everything he just said is

absolutely false and i'm surprised. in the first debate -- >> the audience needs to -- >> it would be impossible to fact checking donald all the time. i'd never get to talk about everything i want to do and how we're going to make lives better for people. so, once again, go to hillaryclinton.com. you can fact check trump in realtime. it's just great that someone like donald trump is not in charge of our country. >> because you'd be in jail. >> humor. right there. >> you don't think -- you're saying he wasn't being serious? >> i'm saying use that line, it was humor to illustrate the point and the point is, as with the e-mails -- >> he thought she was innocent? >> how many stories have we seen, jake, in the last few weeks about destruction of computers, special privileges, president clinton gets on -- >> here we go. >> jake, you may want to get out

of the way. >> but the idea that you are threatening the to prosecute your opponent is, as best i can tell, unprecedented many american history and i will say this. you don't appoint a prosecutor to investigate. you appoint the prosecutor to lay the ground work and put somebody in jail. here's my problem with the whole thing. look, we do have a criminal justice system that is unfair, that is biased. but when people, like black lives matter, point this out, people like yourself say they are race-baiting, they are racist and turn a deaf ear. so you can't have it both ways. you can't pretend to care about a broken criminal justice system only when donald is scoring points against hillary clinton and then turn your deaf ear to those that are crying. there was a big missed opportunity tonight. when that muslim woman stepped

forward, donald trump could have very easily said to her, i understand what you're going through. >> and he did. >> he didn't. >> he did. let's play it back. >> let me finish. >> we'll look at the tape. >> he very briefly said one thing and then he basically gave an islamic phobia answer. he said you, the muslims, have to report on the things that are going on. as if only the muslims have to do this, as if all of the mass shootings are done by muslims. you can say that everyone in the country, you see something, say something, that's islamic phobic response. he missed opportunity after opportunity. >> the first part, special prosecutor, serious, but the other thing because you'd be in

jail, that was a joke? >> i do and the audience laughed so they clearly got the humor. to van's point about criminal justice and double standards and caring about citizens, you know who i care a lot about, a person sitting in jail right now for taking eight photographs on a submarine to show his family. christian is in jail. hillary clinton did the same thing. she's out free because the fbi, to jeffrey's point, has politicized it. >> the white house must maintain an arm's length of power from -- it was one of the darkest moments of our history. what trump as suggested is straight out of the dictator's handbook and came during the same debate when he publicly broke with his running mate who dared to question vladimir

putin. now, ken vogel of politico points out, that in ukraine a putin puppet, victor anakovich did the same thing. he locked up his predecessor. he's laying the ground work. he wants to crack down the first amendment against journalists and lock up his opponent like putin's buddy and even his running mate takes second fidel to -- >> hold on. coming up, who won tonight's debate? we'll get the first reaction from our focus group of undecided voters in the key battleground state of ohio. stay with us. ♪ ♪ i'll never go down your road ♪

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we're here in the spin room getting reaction from the candidate surrogates. lots of reaction coming in. we're also standing by for the exclusive results of our cnn poll of voters in ohio. we're going to get that momentarily. stand by for that. first, unofficial poll results, scientific poll that we've got, you're going to get those results momentarily. david chalian will be with us for that tonight. and a group of voters we're about to show you what they thought while you watch. look at the bottom of your screen. if the lines go up, voters liked the answer. if the lines go down, they didn't like the answer. men's responses are in green, women in yellow. here are donald trump's responses. >> for the record, what you said on that bus 11 years ago, you

did not actually kiss women without consent? >> i have great respect for women. no one has more respect for women than i do. >> so you didn't do those things? >> you hear these things are said and i was embarrassed by it but i have tremendous respect for women. >> have you ever done those things? >> and women have respect for me. >> and i will tell you -- no, i have not. and i will tell you that i'm going to make our country safe. >> pamela, voters didn't seem to like his answer. >> reporter: you saw the very strong reactions from the 29 undecided voters from the ohio state university. so let's get straight to them to see what their reaction was when donald trump defended himself against that "access hollywood" video. what did you think? >> i find it hard to believe whatever he says. he just doesn't seem to be a truthful person. >> reporter: and you have two sons and you have sort of a

visceral reaction to what he said in defense of that video and what he was saying in that video. what did you think? >> well, i just feel that everyone has placed all of the accent among young women and how we should protect them. we are equal citizens. i would hope that my sons would not talk like he did and i have tried to raise them not to act that way. >> reporter: it's interesting, because he reiterated in his defense that this is locker room banter, that this is just words. what do you think, larry? >> no, because that's not locker room talk and for a 59-year-old man to claim that's locker room talk i think is offensive to the young men out playing sports and doing the right thing. to me, it's pure and simple, sexual assault. and he should be held accountable for his thinking and actions of sexual assault. >> so to you that is not just

locker room banter? >> at 59 years old, especially. >> who thinks that donald trump did enough to put that controversy behind him? raise enough if you think he did enough in defense? okay. there were positive reactions after hillary clinton spoke after donald trump defended himself against that video. >> this is who donald trump is and the question for us, the question our country must answer is that this is not who we are. that's why, to go back to your question, i want to send a message, we all should, to every boy and girl and indeed to the entire world that america already is great but we are great because we are good.

i want to ask you, what was it about hillary clinton's argument that resonated with you following donald trump's defense of the video? >> she stated that america is already great and i tend to agree with that, though we are slow in progressing in a number of areas, we are progressing and need to continue the momentum. >> what about you, what do you think about the way she reacted, particularly when she brought up bill clinton's past and the allegations against him, what did you think? >> i think that she tried to clarify that it wasn't the same, that what donald trump had done, she had talked about her children and other people's children and daughters and that it just -- it was uncalled for and he should not have done it and didn't feel that his apology was sincere. >> and it's interesting because she largely sort of stayed away from going there. do you think that was a smart move? raise your hand if you think that was a smart move. and raise your hand if you think it was a smart move for donald

trump to bring that up, if that was fair game. why do you think that? >> well, i think, you know, if everything is out on the table, then everything is fair game. is it apples to apples, absolutely not. but in these debates it just doesn't ever seem like anything is off the table. >> i'm going to get a show of hands now, the big question, who do you think won this debate? hillary clinton, raise your hand if you think hillary clinton won tonight's debate. okay. raise your hand if you think donald trump won this debate. okay. so clearly there are some of you who thought this was a draw. raise your hand if you think tonight's debate was a draw. all right. there you go. there you have it, wolf. mixed response. coming up, we're going to talk about what they thought and who they are going to vote for, these undecided voters, if any of them cemented their vote after tonight's debate. >> hillary clinton is now speaking to reporters aboard her

aircraft. >> go back and lean against my stool but he was very present. >> we're going to take off. okay? >> [ inaudible ]? >> nothing surprises me about him, really, dan. i was surprised by the absolute avalanche of falsehoods. i mean, i really find it almost unimaginable that someone can stand and just tell, you know, a falsehood after falsehood. you all remember politafact said he was the most untruthful kw d candidate, like 70% untruthful. i think he exceeded that percentage. anyway, thank you, guys. >> we'll come back in a few minutes. >> there is hillary clinton going to the back of her plane to speak to reporters and making

tough statements once again against donald trump. we have the results now of our instant poll. we've been waiting for this. david chalian, our political director. >> this is not a national poll of all voters. this is a poll of debate watchers and just like we saw in the first debate and vice presidential debate, the audience skews a little more democratic. debate watchers are a little more democratic than in a national poll overall. having said that, who won the debate? hillary clinton won the debate. 57% to 34% for donald trump. that's not as big of a victory she got in our poll in the first debate but a clear victory here. but talk about expectations. take a look at this. did donald trump best expectations, did he do better than you thought he would do? 63% of debate watchers say donald trump did better than they expected.

only 21% say that he did worse and 15% say he did the same as expected. how about hillary clinton's expectation game. 39% say she did better. 26% say she did worse and 34% say she did about the same. hillary clinton is the winner in this poll but donald trump significantly overperforming expectations. >> but the polls show that she did win this debate. let's get immediate reaction from kellyanne conway, the trump campaign manager who is with us. what's your reaction to that? >> my reaction is that i'm glad that people think that 60% according to your online poll think that hillary clinton wasn't very well prepared for tonight's debate and that really surprises me because if she's anything, she's, you know, very wonky, lawyerly in her responses. i would have thought she'd be better prepared for this debate.

the town hall format is better for her and we've heard it's our sweet spot. donald trump is engaging with voters and at rallies and at his own town halls. he clearly won the debate tonight. why? because if you watched anybody's shows this weekend, we were left for debate. are people jumping ship. he came here to play tonight and he came here to take the case right to hillary clinton and to show americans this race is still what it's always been. past versus future, politician versus successful businessman, washington insider versus disrupter. he did not back down. >> kellyanne, more than once he referred to what he said on that tape as locker room talk. you're his campaign manager, the only woman at the head of that campaign. what did you think when you saw and you heard that?

truthfully, what was your reaction? >> what melania trump said. i was offended and i think the language is offensive and disgusting and i'm very happy he apologized. i'm glad that he holds himself accountable because i look at the full measure of people, what they've said, what they've done, dana, and how they deal with adversity that comes to them. and donald trump is absolutely correct. these are words compared to actions. and he made that very clear tonight that hillary clinton blaming and shaming the women in her husband's loife, that is no standing up for women. >> the term locker room talk, you have a republican woman, kathy mcmorris rogers blowing that off saying, no, this is suggesting sexual assault and -- >> that's a very unfortunate phrase and people should stop using it. >> why? >> because i know him better. >> it's what he said. >> if you want to talk about

sexual assault right here in the hall, i know kcnn doesn't want o interview them but we have paula jones and juanita broaddrick here and kathy shelton. she was able to blame and shame a 12-year-old victim as well. we can talk about sexual assault but let's have a full conversation about it. i have to assess people based on what i see in totem and i've been alone with him many times that's never been anything but gracious and gentleman and elevated me to the top of his campaign the way he's elevated women in the trump organization. >> cnn many years ago did fully litigate these two women, fully talked about and reported on their stories at the time

because it's very old. i have to say, because you brought it up, that your boss himself, back in 1998, told neil cavuto about these victims, i don't necessarily agree with his victims, he, meaning bill clinton, is a real victim himself, he put himself in that position and talked about how unattractive people are. >> so in 1998 we won't talk about paula jones -- >> he was defending bill clinton and going after these guys and now he's changed his -- >> we took note of hillary clinton's comment on the campaign trail and she said all sexual assault victims deserve to be heard and believed. these are her words. she's running for president now. she wants to be the president of all people. except for the ones who she thinks are deplorable and

irredeemable. i know we want to talk about this but hillary clinton just on her plane lying that donald trump said falsehood after falsehood. the fact checker said she was right about -- >> donald trump said he had not spoken to mike pence about syria and that he disagreed with him. we're 30 days from the american people voting. mike pence will be out there campaigning tomorrow. is the message at the mike pence rallies, don't believe what he says? >> no, not at all. they were talking about two different things and i talked to governor pence ten minutes ago. he says hello. he and mr. trump talked about what a great debate week we've had between tuesday night, the vice presidential debate and tonight, obviously, donald trump winning here. so in a vice presidential debate, the conversation was about humanitarian crisis.

>> governor pence said the united states might, might have to and donald trump said tonight i disagree with that and i haven't spoken to him. >> about that particular aspect of it since the debate, that is true. they've spoken many times this week. on tv today, on your network today, jake tapper took tim kaine to a count because he couldn't answer a question about what hillary clinton said or did not say in these e-mails about having open borders. the only way we know it now, because she won't admit it, is because of these e-mails. >> we heard something extraordinary from donald trump. he said he will appoint a special prosecutor to go after hillary clinton and then went one step further and said he would arrest her and lock her up, he would put her in jail. in all of the years, i don't remember a time in american history when one candidate has said of the other candidate if he wins, the other candidate's going to jail.

>> well, donald trump is channelling the frustration of a lot of americans that he hears from and so many say i can't believe that people have been -- their lives have been ruined, livelihood gone, they face jail time for doing far less than hillary clinton did here and she was completely exonerated for deleting 33,000 e-mails. setting up the private server to begin with, saying there's no classified information. fbi director comey said that is not true. i only had one device. she had many. it's an active investigation. just less than two weeks ago, five members -- >> he's going to lock up his opponent if he wins. >> i know what he said. he wants to appoint a special prosecutor because he feels and channels public will here, he hears all the time, we're always hearing about the e-mails and he's telling -- he told america tonight what america has told

him, the frustration that there's a different set of rules for this woman as goes for e-mails and she appeared on national security. >> i know you've got to run. the results of our poll, you're a professional pollster. you'll see the results. these are people who actually watched the debate and millions and millions of americans watched. who won the debate? 57% say hillary clinton won the debate. 34% say donald trump won the debate. that's the results of our cnn orc poll. kellyanne, thanks for joining us. >> i watched a different debate, then. thank you. coming up, what was the response to trump's attempts to explain his vulgar comments caught on tape? stay with us.

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welcome back. we're here in the spin room following this story. we have a reality check, fact checking. phil matingly, tom foreman, first to you. what have you found out? >> reporter: attacks and insults have characterized this campaign as well. hillary clinton saying donald trump has gone after women again and again. >> but it's not only women and it's not only this video that raises questions about his fitness to be our president, because he has also targeted

immigrants, african americans, latinos, people with disabilities, pows, muslims, and so many others. >> that is really an enormous list of people up there. could this possibly be true? well if you go back to when he announced his candidacy, yes, some time or another, he's said or done something to disparage people on every one of these lists. this is an easy one and the claim is true, wolf. >> thank you, tom. phil matingly, you've been doing a reality check as well. >> yes, wasn't just hillary clinton taking swings tonight. donald trump rolling off a litany of attacks against bill and hillary clinton, including this one. that bill clinton lost his law license. >> what president clinton did, he was impeached, he lost his license to practice law. >> so here's the thing. that bill clinton lost his law license. quite simply no longer allowed to practice law. here are the facts. in the fake of revelations of

bill clinton lied during the monica lewinsky investigation, arkansas supreme court brought a disbarment lawsuit against clinton. now clinton agreed as part of the resolution of that lawsuit the day before leaving office to a five-year suspension of his arkansas law license as part of that plea deal to put an end to the lewinsky investigation. where does that leave us? the verdict, it's true, on donald trump's claim that he lost his law license for five years. for this and all of tonight's reality checks, go to cnn.com/realitycheck. wolf. >> bill, thank you very much. we'll get back to both of you. coming up, did donald trump, and this is an important question, tampa down the controversy over his crude remarks on video or make it worse? we're going to reveal more results. that's coming up. guess what guys, i switched to sprint.

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welcome back to washington university in st. louis. we're following up on this historic debate tonight. david chalon, you're going through the cnn/orc poll of debate watchers. what are you finding out? >> this is a poll of debate watchers. skews a little more democratic. that being said, let's look at the top line number again, who won tonight? according to to the debate watchers, hillary clinton won the debate and did so by 23 points. 57% say clinton won, 34% say trump won. now we also asked our debate watchers about the reaction and the fallout to the donald trump tapes that came out on friday.

this is the first information. how about this? how much have you heard about the trump video? well if you add up there, 81% of debat watchers have heard a great deal or a fair amount about the video. this is a massive sort of penetration into the psyche of the voters of how big a story this was. then we asked, do you think trump's remarks on that video reflect his views on women. 59% of debate watchers said yes. those remarks do reflect his views on women. 37% said no. and then finally, we took a look at, you know, did this at all change the way you think about donald trump? did the comments of the video change your view of him? 25% of debate watchers said less favorable view of donald trump, 16% more favorable. here might be welcomed news for donald trump, is that 58% of debate watchers, again, slightly more democratic-leaning group,

did not change their view of donald trump due to what they learned on those tapes. >> what does that suggest? >> yes, a quarter did come up with a less favorable view, but he'd rather have a majority and did not change their view, perhaps did not send him careening off a cliff. we'll see what holds the polls out in the days ahead after it fully sinks in. in terms of this group of debate watchers, i would take a little bit of solace in that that it wasn't as devastating as some people thought. >> were you surprised that hillary clinton didn't go further in using that tape and vile language in going after trump tonight? >> i kind of was. having said that, i also understand that their strategy which is, why would you pile on when he hurt himself? but there might have been another way to go at it to, as i

said as one democratic source said to me, try to put him away because of and using that tape against him. i have to say, the fact that all of these people who are watching said that they knew about this tape. i mean, you have to be under a rock or in some kind of maybe in solitary confinement to not have heard about it because it was so pervasive, not just on tv, social media, in, you know, barbershops and beauty parlors, water coolers, you name it. >> what'd you think of those results? >> i think this is going to remain an issue number one. and if you look at close presidential elections and past cycles, we've called them public security moms. suburban women are the key factor in almost every very close u.s. presidential election. especially as the demographics have changed, colorado, denver now a swing state? virginia now a swing state, not a republican m state because of the growth? how do you win pennsylvania? win the philadelphia suburbs.

cleveland, you win, in ohio, columbus suburbs. suburban women are a huge force. hillary clinton has them right now and she believes this is a powerful issue for her going forward. i think the surprise that many republicans is that donald trump didn't in that first question, what about your tone? give a more -- if he wanted to bring up bill clinton, fine, republicans disagree, but what they wanted in the first answer was to take a chance, i'm sorry. dreadfully sorry and make it more personal and more apologetic. have a separate moment where you dealt with that issue. a lot of republicans are disappointed he did not do that. >> to that point, the finding that we see here does this reflect trump's view on women, six in ten says yes it does. they know about the story. they also know about his apology or so stated apology. the video, whatever he answered at the beginning of this debate. and that still didn't work because still six in ten watching the debate tonight said

that accurately reflects his views about women. >> if that sticks, hard to win. if that's the view of people when they go to view. 53% will be women. suburban women, if that view sticks 30 days from now. just the math is overwhelming. >> good point. jake, back to you. >> thanks, wolf. we have some new joiners for our panel here. i want to get their basic takes. and we're going to start with king david. david, what'd you think? >> it's hard to believe there was that much mud slinging in 90 minutes. overall, i thought donald trump did better than in the first debate. but he blew his opportunity in the first 20 minutes. he blew the debate in the first 20 minutes. he was evasive, especially regarding -- he wouldn't answer the question did you do what you were bragging about in the tape or not? when did you change?

no answer to those questions. most importantly, when he was trying to get the headline about his apology and trying to change him, he changed his story by going after this crazy thing calling saying he would have struck the justice department to a point of a special prosecutor. you know, i was there in the nixon days, after nixon, the congress asked very carefully a law that said president of the united states can request, but he cannot instruct it. and it's up to the justice department to then determine what you can do. that is a banana republic kind of approach to say i'm going to do that. used to have presidents to send over and say send me donald trump's tax returns i'm going to find a way to screw him. we don't allow that anymore. we don't alout the runaway presidents and trump who thought about the issue, why he came so unprepared to deal with the question. if he wants to say that, he wasn't ready. once again, the lack of preparation really hurt him. i thought hillary clinton was not as good as he was in the last debate.

she was not -- she was poised. two effective answers when she talked about her accomplishments in the senate. those were very effective, and when she responded to the fellow, mr. carter i think his name was, african american, that was the one time she had a relatable answer. trump never, ever related to the people who asked questions. she did well on that particular question. >> cory lewandowski. >> donald trump was fast on his feet, specific on issues. he clearly won the debate. if you look at it and he asked hillary clinton specifically to talk about the two hillary clintons. the one in the private and the one in the public. her answer was, abraham lincoln. this is a movie that i watched and steven spielberg and that's what i was talking about. it's egregious and the point is, once again pointed out the hypocrisy of the media that shows she's not being truthful. american people don't think she's truthful and this is why the american people don't want a failed politician whose been in office for 30 years. he continues to talk about that, talks about health care, he talked about specifically the coal issue at the end of this

debate and how she wants to put coal miners out of business. no one wants to talk about. what he did talk about were specifics. he was very specific on issues tonight. hourm for donald trump. >> i was completely startled by how completely the alt-right has taken over donald trump's campaign. you know, in the first hour, he called her the devil, hatred in her heart, he's going to throw her in jail. blamed her for the birther conspiracy again, and of course, topped it all off by bringing in wendy and kathleen into the debate hall which i thought was awful. here's what i think happened. i think the last 48 hours and the number of people who have abandoned him really affected him. and tonight, he turned his back on republican elites, on moderates, and he completely embraced his base. and that's what he's going to be the next 30 days. and this is not going to get him the presidency. >> one thing is about how hillary clinton did not make as

much of the tape, the access hollywood tape from friday as many people thought she would. and why that was. let's play some from the top of the debate when anderson cooper first asked donald trump about it. >> you called what you said, locker room banter, describe kissing women without consent, grabbing their genitals, that is sexual assault. you bragged that you have sexual assaulted women. do understand that? >> no, i didn't say that at all. i don't think you understood what was said. this was locker room talk. i'm not proud of it. i apologized to my family, i apologized to the american people, certainly i'm not proud of it. but this is locker room talk. you know, when we have a world where we have isis chopping off heads, frankly drowning people in steel cages, where you have wars and horrible, horrible sites all over, where you have so many bad things happening. this is like medieval times, we haven't seen anything like this, the carnage all over the world.

they look and see, can you imagine the people that are frankly doing so well against us with isis and they look at our country and they see what's going on. i'm embarrassed by it, i hate it, it's locker room talk. and it's one of those things. i will knock the hell out of isis. 're going to defeat isis. isis happened a number of years ago in a vacuum that was left -- >> so -- >> because of bad judgment. and i will tell you, i will take care of isis -- >> mr. trump -- >> and get on to much more important things and much bigger things. >> just for the record, are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent. >> i have great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do. >> for the record, you never did that? >> frankly, you hear these things. they're said. and i was embarrassed by it, but i have tremendous respect for women -- >> have you ever done those things? >> women have respect for me --

and i will tell you, no, i have not. >>ed no good enough for you? >> is bragging about sexual assault that you didn't commit a good thing? is that the standard? i don't think that's -- i don't think that's the standard. and that i think, you know, anderson asked him directly. what you're saying is having later spent the entire evening called hillary clinton a liar, what he said was he was lying. and that he hadn't done those things, but in fact he bragged about them. this is a 59-year-old guy. this isn't somebody who is a frat guy, excuse me here, i know we're on a college campus, but -- but -- >> the crowd, the crowd is turning on you. >> i know, i'm sorry. >> i'll set her straight, i'll set her straight. >> okay. >> nobody cares. you know what -- >> i care. you know what they care about. hillary clinton's e-mails where she lied and committed basically

perjury. >> i'm not going to disagree on that. >> he's apologized, you guys have given a pass to hillary clinton because she's apologized to having a private server. you want to relitigate, let's move on past it. let's talk about the american people. >> the question is whether, the question is whether the apology was convincing. he didn't apologize to the women who he was talking about in that tape. he didn't seem particularly remorseful, then he quickly shifted to bill clinton and isis. so there was a sense that this was a perfunctory check the box. >> it was as effective as you wanted it to be. >> hillary clinton didn't apologize to catholicy sheldon who was audience who she supported and was a defense attorney for a 12-year-old rape victim and on tape laughing on two separate occasions. that's true. she didn't apologize tonight. but she didn't apologize to kathy who was in the audience tonight, did she? 12-year-old rape victim she defended or anyone else. >> for the record, she was

appointed by the court as a defense attorney to represent -- >> laugh at a 12-year-old rape victim. >> she wasn't laughing -- the "new york times kwkt fact checked you on that. >> move on. >> that's not true. >> i read his answer on dismissing the locker room talk and the vague way he talked about it as is a political answer. he knows there are more tapes out there of him saying lewd comments. he might even know that there might be women out there who might come forward and say this. when he was asked for instance when did you change, he kept it vague because it could be in 2010 he said something -- >> but he hit on it -- >> and the cnn focus group said the people overwhelmingly did not buy his answer on that. let me just play something from hillary clinton and her response when she was asked about this tape. >> well, like everyone else, i spent a lot of time thinking over the last 48 hours about

what we heard and saw. with prior republican nominees for president i disagreed on politics, policies, principles, but i never questioned that fitness to serve. donald trump is different. i said starting back in june that he was not fit to be president and commander in chief. and many republicans and independents have said the same thing. what we all saw and heard on friday was donald talking about women. what he thinks about women. what he does to women. and he has said that the video doesn't represent who he is, but i think it's clear to anyone who heard it that it represents exactly who he is. because we've seen this

throughout the campaign. we have seen him insult women, we've seen rate women on their appearance, ranking them from 1 to 10. we've seen him embarrass women on tv and on twitter. we saw him after the first debate spend nearly a week denigrating a former miss universe in the harshest most personal terms. so, yes, this is who donald trump is, but it's not only women and it's not only this video that raises questions about his fitness to be our president. because he has also targeted immigrants, african americans, latinos, people with disabilities, pows, muslims, and so many others. so this is who donald trump is. and the question for us, the question our country must answer is that this is not who we are.

>> van. >> yeah, well listen, i think that that was important for her to say. this tape is actually bigger than the debate. i mean, the tape actually crystallizing something that's very, very important. the difference between this tape and everything else he's done is ofz and frankly very ofz to me. he could always excuse it either as political conviction or political calculation. he's going after the muslims, the mexicans, black lives matter, but it's portfolio convictions or calculation, or you could say, it's entertainment. i'm on the howard stern show, i'm an entertainer. >> this is the first time you've seen something that is neither. this is an exkreent to him, by himself, not being political, not on television. and it's shocking. and the worst thing about it for me going forward has been this idea that you cannot dismiss it as locker room talk. that is very dangerous because here's the problem. there is a culture that allows

rape. this is a culture that allows sexual assault. and when you minimize it, not only just locker room talk, you are describing sexual assaults. if i grab donald trump's crotch and try to kiss him. i would go to jail. that's called a sexual assault, okay. and so you're talking about criminal activity, but you minimize it, it's very dangerous. the way he's talking then and now. >> but they do minimize this. what is the response to the presence of these women tonight in the audience? minimize it, to ignore them. to say that it's some sort of insult to bring someone who claims to be a rape victim to this debate. and now we're say, oh well, that's not a big deal? one other thing here, ben. one other thing. we get as americans all wrought up about some of these conversations, donald trump's point there about isis is a serious one. it's a serious one. >> it's a serious question

though, question. >> the serious answer here is that when we're fussing over this tape and people are literally cutting people's heads off -- >> i don't want you to do that. >> you think the tape is the problem. >> hold on a second, that's really, really bad. you have people tonight on this campus and the campus across the country that are trying to figure out how to deal with sexual assault -- >> and they should be celebrating -- they should be celebrating -- >> don't mix these two things. we can both be against isis and rape. >> you don't know your history well. and you know that there's a long literature now striking back to nixon that says the most important question and sometimes in politics. we have what we're calling naked moments when you actually see through to the character of somebody. without all the handlers around her. we saw in ronald reagan's character when he was shot what kind of person that he was as he responded to that. and this tape represents that.

the fundamental character. they were litigated years ago. they were resolved years ago. >> what about hillary clinton and the deplorables? >> i agree with that. >> none of that explains donald trump's behavior. people were looking for something that him that showed a greater awareness of why this was so troubling to people. and let me say one other thing. we've heard a lot about how this impacts our daughters and i have a daughter, our wives, women generally, but i have two sons also. and i would like the president to be a role model for my son. i don't want the president to be on a tape saying the kinds of things that were said. >> role model? >> i couldn't agree more. i've been saying this all day. what do we say to our sons,

cory, when they see this videotape -- >> don't be like that. >> and he dismisses it. >> are we going to talk about the debate or the videotape? let's talk about what that was? >> right, back check, shint in favor of increasing the syrian refugees into this country by # 50%. fact check, accurate -- >> no. >> yes, it is, 10,000 to 65,000. >> oh, correct. >> that's right. >> we were arguing about the isis question. >> the question was whether isis is more important than his personal character. that's the issue we were talk abouting. >> isis is cutting people's heads off and killing americans. yes, it's more important. the number one job of the president of the united states is to keep. >> reporter: cory can be cory -- >> one second -- >> what is your response when you heard this video on friday? what was your reaction? >> look, i was on tv saying, i've already done this. i've already said, my recommendation would be donald trump goes out and has a sit down interview and discusses what's going on and what was said in the tape. that's my recommendation -- >> he didn't do that.

>> i don't work for the campaign. >> but what was your personal reaction. >> look -- >> what did you feel when you heard the tape? we all had a reaction? >> that's right. my reaction is this, that is what said in a locker room. absolutely. look, guys, don't kid yourself, don't kid yourself. if you don't think that there are terms -- you're telling me there are terms that you were just talking about? >> profanity, all the time. but grabbing -- >> sexual -- >> he grabs them by the p-word. that is an assault, sir. that is an assault. >> it didn't happen -- >> but he lied about it. >> you want to talk about lying. if you want to talk about lying, hillary clinton has lied about 33,000 e-mails. refusing to turn them over. public persona. that's a fact. she's for open borders and for 18 monthings of this campaign she's not for open borders. and now -- >> you're doing now -- >> i'm discussing the issues. and what you want to discuss a tape. >> calm down just one second.

you're doing right now what donald trump tried to do in the debate. which is rather than really address this in a genuine way and get to the core of why it troubles people, he tried to switch the topic really quickly. >> but the topic -- >> they don't dare about issues. >> care about both of these things. >> people care about both of these things. women care about issues. and they care about sexual assault, and men care about both -- right, but now he's says he lied about it. that's fine. >> what's next? >> let me -- >> cory's talking. >> the thing that i think in thinking about about this debate a bit, i think the place where i was left thinking about hillary clinton in this and her reaction to this, by having that stunt in the afternoon before the debate -- >> what stunt? what stunt? >> what they did was a side show done after the videotape an hour and a half -- >> what happened to them?

no, it's not a stunt at all. >> let her finish. >> okay. >> the event. >> the event. >> let her finish, please. >> the event -- >> cory -- >> i just changed the word so she could continue her -- >> i'm almost forgetting what i was going to say about hillary. the thing that that did was kind of put hillary clinton in a cocoon in a way where she went to 30,000 feet. and you might have liked to hear her say, and i know her campaign was committed to this and i talked to them before the debate that he wasn't going to go down there. but the outrage that a lot of us felt about that video tape would have been interesting to hear her voice. and she couldn't voice it because she didn't want to get down there and because of her husband's past history. so i think in a way, there was a sense that she had to fly and couldn't address it directly.

because if she didn't direct it -- well, she broadened it, but she didn't say how dare you do that. that's odd. >> i find it astonishing that bringing three women, four women, whatever it is, one of whom is a victim of rape is somehow a stunt. what was the -- >> the timing of it. i think the timing -- >> what was the alicia ma what doe? >> definitely a stunt. >> okay, okay. >> donald trump could have done this at any time. but in occurred after the videotape. and it occurred after the videotape for a reason. >> here's what hillary clinton's foreign policy spokesman said on twitter. donald trump, go f yourself. is that getting to the gutter? going high when we go low. >> i don't speak for anybody but myself. >> i think he apologized for that. >> that's mighty nice after he put it on twitter during the debate. >> i'm turning to wolf right now. back to you. >> thanks very much. david chalon is going to get us

more results. first i want to get a reality can check. don, tom, looking at some of the statements made in this debate tonight. tom foreman, first to you. >> hi wolf. donald trump wanted thoint answer about the e-mail situation, and the private server she had in her home doing public business. >> you get a. is, and you delete 33,000 e-mails. and then you acid wash it. >> everything he said is absolutely false. >> well, 32,000, but this is something that the fbi did look at. and this is essentially what they found nap in december 2014, there was a contractor who was handling the server in her house and the e-mails and he was told by the clinton team to go ahead and delete what they thought were a lot of personal e-mails. what they said were permissible e-mails. the contractor told the naib he forgot to delete those e-mails. then in march of the coming year, congress did subpoena her over this e-mail business and

that's when the contractor said he made a second mistake and he did delete the e-mails even though he was told not to. now many people out there may look at this and say, i see the hand in the clinton camp here, i don't believe for a minute that's how it happened, but the fbi looked into it, and the fbi did not find signs of collusion, not enough to make it a crime, that would have been a crime if they did collusion on that. that makes donald trump's claims about that false. only based on what the fbi said. now listen to what she said about it. >> after a year long investigation, there is no evidence that anyone hacked the server i was using, and there is no evidence that anyone can point to, at all, anyone who says otherwise has no basis that any classified material ended up in the wrong hands. >> well, the fbi did look at it a long time and remember, famously, the fbi director said that clinton was extremely

careless with this information. she said herself that it was a mistake and she's had a lot of shifting positions at the beginning about what zhe or do did not do. on the narrow point about whether or not this information was hacked. the fbi was attempted to hack. find no information, any indication that any hacker got through and got through that information. on that narrow point, what she said was true, wolf. >> tom foreman, thank you. phil matingly, you've been doing fact checking. reality check as well. >> that's right, wolf, bont a political debate if we weren't talking obamacare. so here's the click. donald trump says i the affordable care act has premiums that are skyrocketing. >> when i watch the deals being made. when i watch what's happening with some horrible things like obamacare, where your health insurance and health care is going up by numbers that are astronomical, 68%, 59%, 71%.

>> big numbers, very big in your opinions. here is the claim. donald trump is saying that health insurance premiums are going up at quote astronomical levels. let's look at that. there are those numbers do reflect the increases of some insurance, but on arch, insurers requested 9% for the benchmark plan of 2017. now that's up 2. incompetent 2016. that's an increase. now here's the other issue, there's a catch. the vast majority of americans don't actually see the full effect of those hikes, why? approximately 85% receive federal subsz i dids. so what's the verdict? it's clear. the numbers that trump picked out are far from normal, but it's also clear that the affordable care act is leading insurers to increase premiums, anecdotely and on average. while there is some gray area here, we'll rate this true. but let's lead it and digging into all this stuff all night. check out all of our reality

checks, go to cnn.com/realitychecks. wolf. >> phil matingly, thank you, tom foreman thanks to you as well. dave, instant poll results. more information. >> we've looked at that big number, we know it was 57-34, trump. how does split by gender? who won the debate? this is among debate watchers. slightly more democrat leaning audience. look here. hillary clinton won among men by 11 points. 49% to 38%, but look at her victory in the debate among women. obviously a central issue, 64% to 30%, a 34-point victory among women. we also asked, who spent more time attacking their opponent, donald trump did that. 68% of debate watchers said he spent more time attacking hillary clinton, 16% clinton attacks donald trump, and both of them attacked their opponents

50% of debate watchers said that. >> and this poll was a debate watcher. is there any indication that the negativity of this debate effectively changed viewers minds about either of these candidates? >> as you know wolf, these are the two most unpopular candidates we've ever seen in political history running for president against each other. it's tough to go lower. and they didn't here. it didn't change. we looked at before and after, favorable or unfavorable. . before the debate, hillary clinton was 53% favorable. and now look at those numbers there. after the debate, 55% favorable, 44% unfavorable, didn't change. donald trump, same story. before the debate, 34% favorable. 64% unfavorable and look there at the building after if the debate, 34% favorable, 64% unfavorable. numbers did not move at all. they are both still far more unfavorable than favorable. >> very interesting indeed. and you can see more results

from our cnn orc instant poll in the cnn. downtown the app to always know who is winning and why. are you surprised, are you surprised by the results we just heard? >> not really. i think they are keeping with our broad analysis tonight. i think what is probably the least surprising is the point that you've made. is that these are two incredibly unpopular candidates. and how many people have you all run into just even in your lives -- every day lives, not at work, normal civilians as i like it call them saying i can't believe these are our two choices? >> stand by everyone. did this debate help undecided voters make up their mind? we'll check back with our focus group from the battleground state of ohio. how will they vote after watching all the attacks and the counterattacks tonight?

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we're back here on the campus of washington university in st. louis. there was a split between men and women in our focus group of undecided voters. i want to go back to pamela brown, she's in columbus, ohio, key battleground state. pamela, let's listen to one moment from donald trump that men's reactions are in green, women in yellow. >> i didn't think i'd say this, but i'm going to say it, and i hate to stay, but if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation. >> all right pamela, what did the focus group think of that? >> well, there was several gender divides throughout the debate, wolf, and as you saw, there was a big spike among men when donald trump think of that. i want to ask you, ravel, why

did that resinate with when about the special prosecutor? >> because she should held accountable for her actions. deleting that many e-mails, there has to be something incriminating. >> and you were looking for him to address that tonight? >> yes. >> okay. and i want to ask you paul, that was a strong argument for donald trump to bring up, why so? >> i thought it was a strong argument because i don't believe hillary has been held accountable from the fbi or the transgressions or potential ose- transgressions. and i feel like people in the military and people in public life, other people would have been held more accountable than she has for this point. that to my opinion has been missing is that level of fairness and equality. >> and there was a moment where hillary clinton did particularly well among women, let's listen to that moment. >> this is not an ordinary time, and this is not an ordinary election. we are going to be choosing a

president who will set policy for not just four or eight years, but because of some of the important decisions we have to make here at home and around the world, from the supreme court to energy and so much else, and so there is a lot at stake. it's one of the most consequence shl elections that we've had. >> so i want to go up to haley, why did that resinate with you so much when hillary clinton made those comments? >> i think that what she was saying that this is a unique election, it's unlike any other year, it's because we're going to be selecting a supreme court justice because the fate of the world is in the hands what have we do in an energy crisis at this point. looking at foreign issues specifically syria, i think she's absolutely right, hit the nail on the head with that and i agree with her. >> and nicole, you felt like she related to you in that moment when she said look, we're in a different election, this is a different time. why so?

>> well, we all feel it. there's a big difference in the selection than any other before. everybody here's aware of it. everybody i know is aware of it and we talk about it. i don't remember a time in all of my life where i have discussed the presidential debates or the presidential election more than this one. there's something fundamentally different. our life is going to change here. it's just a matter of how. >> and so on that note, the big question after watching this debate. have any of you all decided if you're going to vote for in november. show of hands after watching tonight's debate, who is going to vote for hillary clinton come november? and who decided after watching tonight, they're going to vote for donald trump come november? okay. and how about gary johnson or jill stein, raise your hand if you're going to vote for them. you seem like you're waffling a little bit. okay. okay. so on that note, who is still

undecided in this group. all right. so as you see -- and many of the people have said, that they want to watch the next debate before they make their final decision. some are leaning one way or the other. they want to see that last and final debate before deciding who they're going to vote for back to you. >> that'll be at the university of nevada of las vegas. that's coming up. all right, thanks very much. jake. back to you. >> all right. i'm here with our panel. one of the most interesting moments of the debate was when donald trump distanced himself from a position expressed by his running mate, governor mike pence of indiana when it came to the response that the united states should have to russia's aggression in syria. take a look. >> what would you do about syria and the humanitarian crisis in aleppo? and i want to remind you what your running mate said. he said prof kagss by russia

need to be met with american strength and if america continues to be involved along with assad, the united states of america should be prepared to use military force to strike the military targets of the assad regime. >> okay. he and i haven't spoken, and i disagree. >> cory, an odd moment. i don't think i've ever seen a running mate be distanced during a debate before. >> kellyanne conway addressed this and she said that mr. pence and trump have talked, but hadn't talked about this issue and mr. trump has a different opinion. i think kellyanne laid that out clearly earlier. >> the larger point is that this isn't a this week issue, the role of russia in syria and what the response should be to the united states, did pence go off the reservation last week or is this indicative of some other

issue between trump and pence? >> it sounds to me, and i have no inner knowledge, that they haven't had a conversation about this. they have talked about a lot of things. mike pence had a great debate on tuesday. and the same question of donald trump. his answer is the one that stands forward -- >> cory, let me ask you a question, knowing hinl as you do, you have expertise in donald trump that none of us have, knowing him as you do, is it like him to watch a debate, hear his running mate take a position much different than his and presented as the trump-pence position and then just never mention it to him. >> it's like when tim kaine talk about tax payer funded abortions. they have a different opinion on this. they don't always agree. are they going to not be running mates any longer? >> of course not. they talked about that at the front end when he opponented her. >> tim kaine's position for tax

payer funded abortions he's opposed to it. hillary clinton's in favor. all running mates agree? of course they don't. >> coming up, another reality check on what we heard tonight. and we to want know did the debate change your vote? go to cnn.com/vote to tell us. we'll have the results coming up, stay with us.

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we want to know did the debate change your votes? go to cnn.com/vote to tell us. we'll have the results coming up. >> i haven't wants a flood of freengs. >> we are going to areas like syria where they're coming in by the tens of thousands because of barack obama and hillary clinton wants to allow a 550% increase over obama. >> well, the concern here for donald trump and other republicans is that if you let a whole bunch of syrian refugees come in here with all the turmoil in their country, maybe you have some terrorists to come slipping in with them. now the state department insists they have some of the most extensive vetting of these people. homeland security as well saying to know who they are as best they can and sort it all out,

they're subjected to more stringent investigations than almost any other imgraduates that hillary clinton and she and her team would continue doing that. however, last september she did say this, i would like to see us move from a good start with 10,000 imgrants admitted to 65,000. his math is correct there. she's got it right and that makes this claim true, wolf. >> all right tom, thank you. phil, what about you? what have you found out? >> wolf, one specific thing, at issue, donald trump and a tweet about a sex tape. now this is one that happened between trump and miss universe that he was feuding with on social media. take a listen. >> you sent out a series of tweets from 3:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. including that told people to check out a sex tape -- >> it wasn't check out a sex tape. it was take a look at person who

was no girl scout. >> the claim here is crystal clear. he never told anyone to check out a sex tape. here's the fact, twitter is interesting and stubborn. it has a way of preserving the things you tweet for 140 characters for all to see. the back and forth between trump, trump sweeted this, did crooked hillary help check out sex tape to become a u.s. stots use her in the debate. yes. a lot to unpack there in 140 characters. on the issue itself at hand, couldn't be clearer, donald trump in a tweet that is still on his account, did in fact call on his followers, quote, check out a sex tape. so, on this claim, we rated false. now, obviously we've all been digging into a number of different issues. please, for all of tonight's reality checks, go to cnn.com/realitycheck. wolf. >> thank you very much.

phil and tom. appreciate it. our political director david has more numbers now from our exclusive cnn instant poll, what else are you finding out? >> wolf, we tested a bunch of issues and candidate attributes. and i want to say how convincing in this poll among debate watchers hillary clinton's victory was because she won on every issue and every attribute. we picked a couple to show you. who would better handle the economy? remember, this is a poll of debate watchers tonight. it did skew a little bit more democratic in the make-up of the debate watching audience. that is a big issue on a major issue. 56% say clinton won. 42% say that donald trump did better at handling the economy. now how about the issue of temperament? clinton is winning this argument big time. 64% of debate watchers say that she has the temperament to serve as president. 27% of the debate watchers say donald trump has the temperment

to serve as president. >> what does this mean for the overall results tonight? >> if she's winning across every issue and attribute, she clearly won the debate overall. so look, this is our top line result again, who won the debate? hillary clinton, 57% of debate watchers say she won the debate. 34% said donald trump won the debate. and then, of course, one of the key questions the campaign's looking for, who did the debate make you more likely to vote for? take a look at the results there on that building on campus here at wash u, 25% say they are more likely to vote for clinton because of the debate. 21% say they are more likely to vote for trump because of the debate. but a majority, 53%, a slim majority here say the debate did not make them want to vote for either one. they are not swayed into one camp or the other because of the debate. >> interesting numbers indeed.

you could see more of the results from the cnn dlrks orc instant polls and i recommend that you do that. dana, these numbers are fascinating. >> we talk about how cool that was to have them on the side of the building. >> very cool. awesome. >> anyway, sorry. in terms of the contest, they are fascinating, but not surprising in terms of -- fascinating about the final number that you put out there. still, the majority say didn't like aert either of these guys. didn't change our vote either way because there was a more substance in this debate than in the first one been but so much of it at the beginning was just them going at each other. you're worse, no you're worse. >> but she leads with 29 days now. and the threshold here were in the midwest. about to pass here in the midwest. she leads coming in. if more than half don't place their vote and more likely her or trump, that's a win in the

sense he that needs to change the fundamental dynamics. it she wins in the broader public on who would best handling the economy, game over. donald trump, you know, donald trump his steam very cheerful. concerns tonight. he has to bend his ark of the race and didn't look like he did that. >> coming up, we're going to look ahead to the third and final presidential debate. what did trump and clinton need to accomplish after their brawl tonight?

tonight we ask you to go to cnn.com and tell dus the debate change your vote? here are the results. 18% say yes. 82% said no. all right. interesting. the third and final presidential debate is only ten days from now. unlv in las vegas and cnn's campaign camper is parked behind our set tonight. tonight our team will start the drive to las vegas. stopping along the way to hear from you, the voters. you can see some of the photos that people partner with instagram, and ca technologies have met so far. cornucopia posts a photo on

instagram with the #myvote. and tell us for whom. your picture could be a part of our election coverage. let's get a couple final thoughts, van jones. >> well, my score card from trump. he minimized sexual assault, threatened to jail hillary clinton, praised assad and that's donald trump. >> all right. >> first say, i want to thank the host of the debate tonight here at the university has been phenomenal and the grounds fantast fantastic. i also think that tonight donald trump talked about the issues that the american people have talked about. the private hillary clinton, the public hillary clinton. you know, the truth and the fact that she's been in washington for 30 years. the fact that she was a u.s. senator. the single largest owner of wells fargo bank. and the scandals they've been involved with. those are the issues that the

american people want to talk about. i think you raised those tonight. hopefully we'll have more of a discussion on the issues. at that point, two weeks before the election. >> where do we go from here? >> got me. >> sounds like vegas. >> baby, baby. the old adage, overnights is a long time in politics. in this race, overnight is a lifetime. and we've seen that. and the last 48 hours have been stunning. and we've got how long before the next debate? >> ten days. who knows what's going to happen between now and then. we have people who watch the debate, didn't help them decide one way or the other. according to our poll. >> people in philadelphia are waiting. >> attitudes are hardened, it's going to be hard to move a lot. the things that are defining events aren't defining events. this race hasn't changed much tonight. >> yeah. donald trump is essentially treading water, he's standing still because he's behind. >> we'll have to see in the next day or two what the republicans

do in response to this. because i think they're in line now with trump or is there still a rebellion? that could be important. i think we'll watching mike pence and seeing how close he was. this was a missed nunt many ways for donald trump. >> missed any of the debate earlier this evening. you can see it in it's entirety right now. >> good evening, i'm from abc news. we to want welcome you to washington university in st. louis for the second presidential debate against hillary clinton and donald trump. sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. tonight's debate is a town hall format which gives voters a chance to directly ask the candidates question. martha and i will ask follow-up questions. the night belongs to this room and the people who submitted questions online. >> the people you see on the stage were chosen by the gallop organization. they are all from the st. louis area and poll gallop they haven't committed to a candidate. ch