point in the electoral college. so the clinton campaign has everything to gain, from keeping her position as a statesman, and a public servant, and, and someone who has good judgment. it's pretty astounding that trump is on a stage with her, and one of his talking points is that he has great judgment. this is a guy who's blown up his real estate business, blew up his casino business, has shredded tons and tons of personal relationships and is willfully ignorant about matters of public spoil. the idea that he would be comparing himself to her around matters of judgment or temperament is a little silly. >> gentlemen, thank you very much. we have to leave it there. thanks for all of your insights. you guys have studied this man very well and know him better than most. thank you. >> there's a lot more debate coverage to give you including a live interview with donald trump's running mate, governor mike pence. he loomed large last night and not for the best reasons. let's get to it. >> nobody has more respect for women than i do. >> i think it's clear to anyone

who heard it that it represents exactly who he is. >> this was locker room talk. >> it's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. >> because you'd be in jail. >> your running mate said the united states should be prepared to use military force. >> he and i haven't spoken and i disagree. >> with prior republican nominees, i disagreed with them. but i never questioned their fitness. donald trump is different. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. up first the final month of the 2016 race. and boy did it start on a very bitter, bitter tone. last night's debate will likely be remembered as the ugliest in presidential history. clinton, going after trump saying that what he said on that videotape is not locker room talk, it's a reflection of who he is. >> trump trying to excuse his lewd comments about women as

locker room talk. he also threatened to put clinton in jail. over her e-mails if he is elected. all of this is just nine days until the final debate. only 29 days until the election. so let's begin our coverage with cnn's manu raju. he is live in st. louis. good morning, manu. >> good morning, alisyn. the nasty tone was set even before the debate began when donald trump appeared with several of bill clinton's accusers of sexual misconduct from the early 1990s. now after that the two candidates got on stage, they didn't shake hands, and could barely hide their contempt from one another hurling insult after insult at each other. and when donald trump was asked about that now infamous video, in which he's talking openly about groping women, he apologized, but he also downplayed it. >> hello. >> reporter: donald trump entered last night's debate with one major goal. to end the crisis engulfing his campaign.

after a tape of his vulgar remarks about groping women from 2005 was uncovered. >> this was locker room talk. i'm not proud of it. i apologized to my family. i apologized to the american people. >> reporter: cnn's anderson cooper pressing trump over his crude comments about forcing himself on women. trump denying he ever actually did that. >> i have great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do. >> so for the record you're saying you never did that. >> i said things that -- frankly, you hear these things. they're said. and i was embarrassed by it, but i have tremendous respect for women. and women have respect for me. >> have you ever done those things? and i will tell you, no, i have not. >> reporter: hillary clinton linking the tape to his past controversial rhetoric. >> i said starting back in june that he was not fit to be president and commander in chief. this is who donald trump is. but it's not only women and it's not only this video that raises questions about his fitness to be our president.

because he has also targeted immigrants, african-americans, latinos, people with disabilities, p.o.w.s, muslims and so many others. >> reporter: as he long threatened, trump rehashed old clinton controversies. bringing to the debate three women who accused bill clinton of sexual misconduct in the 1990s. >> if you look at bill clinton, far worse. mine are words and his was action. >> i am reminded of what my friend michelle obama advised us all. when they go low, you go high. >> reporter: trump in an extraordinary remark threatening to jail clinton if he becomes president over her handling of classified material on her private e-mail server as secretary of state. >> if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney general to

get a special prosecutor to look into your situation. >> it's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. >> because you'd be in jail. >> reporter: trump frequently interrupting clinton throughout the heated exchange. >> it's just not true. and, so, please, go to -- >> you didn't delete them. >> allow her to respond, please. >> personal e-mails -- >> 33,000? >> well, we turned over 35,000. so -- >> oh, yeah, what about the other 15,000? >> please allow her to respond. she didn't talk while you talked. >> reporter: clinton becoming visibly frustrated. >> okay, donald. i know you're into big diversion tonight, anything to avoid talking about your campaign, and the way it's exploding and the way republicans are leaving you. >> reporter: trump, at times, seemingly uncomfortable. pacing around the stage and hovering over clinton. the billionaire admitting that he wrote off nearly $1 billion in losses. and didn't pay federal income taxes in some years.

>> did you use that $916 million loss to avoid paying personal federal income taxes? >> of course i don't. of course i don't. >> reporter: trump making a stunning admission when pressed about governor mike pence. flatly contradicting his running mate's call to use military force in syria. >> he and i haven't spoken and i disagree. i disagree. >> you disagree with your running mate. >> to knock out isis. >> reporter: clinton found herself on the defensive, as well. over leaked transcripts of her speeches to banks. including one where she talked about having different positions publicly and privately. >> as i recall, that was something i said about abraham lincoln. president lincoln was trying to convince some people he used some arguments. convincing other people he used other arguments. >> she lied. now she's blaming the lie on the late, great, abraham lincoln. that's one that i haven't -- >> reporter: the ugly tone of this debate which started with the candidates refusing to shake hand, ended by both sharing what

they respect about each other. >> his children are incredibly able and devoted and i think that says a lot about donald. >> she doesn't quit. she doesn't give up. i respect that. i tell it like it is. she's a fighter. >> the question today is whether or not we'll see more mass defections from republicans. later this morning, house republicans will gather on a private conference call to discuss the second debate and discuss donald trump. and speaker paul ryan, what will he do? that is a big question, as well. and i am told from a ryan official that there's been no update in ryan's position. meaning at the moment he's still supporting donald trump. al s alisyn? >> okay. thank you for that. who won last night's debate? hillary clinton is two for two according to cnn's scientific poll. 57% of debate watchers say clinton won, 34% say donald trump did. nearly two-thirds of women say

that clinton won and half of the men watching agreed. as for trump, 63% of debate watchers say he exceeded their expectations while 39% feel clinton exceeded their expectations. our poll sample this time leans slightly more democratic than an average cnn poll of all americans. chris? >> all right. we're joined by tennessee congresswoman marsha blackburn. she supports donald trump. good to have you with us this morning. i want to play something that hillary clinton said last night, stated it as a proposition. i want your take on it, congresswoman. >> okay, donald. i know you're into big diversion tonight. anything to avoid talking about your campaign and the way it's exploding, and the way republicans are leaving you. but let's -- >> let's see what happens in the election. >> allow her to response. >> -- issues that people care about tonight. >> there is a list of some 26 republican big names that stepped away. people were waiting on ryan. ryan, the speaker of the house, had said his endorsement is not

a blank check but we just heard from our manu raju that his people are saying his support stands for now. what do you believe the status is of donald trump with your party? >> most of the people in our party are staying with donald trump. and one of the interesting things to me, chris, is wherever you go, there are new people coming in to the country -- into the party, because they know the country is on the wrong track. and they want to see things done differently. and because of that, you're going to see just like the reagan democrats that came to our party, i think you're going to see many people say, look, i want us to talk about and address national security. jobs and the economy. wage stagnation. those are things where people want actions, and i think most people are staying with him. i appreciated something tony perkins of the family research council said yesterday.

which was, he didn't share trump's values, he shares his concerns. and that is a pretty good summation of where so many people are today. they know things are not heading the right direction. they know the actions in mrs. clinton on her e-mails, the actions to our individuals in the foreign service, in the military, related to benghazi, they know these are not appropriate for someone who would be the leader of our country, and so they want to see some change. >> you use the word appropriate. really the head line from last night was that donald trump was trying to run away from comments he made, on camera, on a microphone, saying that he likes to grope women. and he did that by bringing up a group of women that he had dismissed in the past as ugly accusers. the women who say that bill clinton violated them in one way or another. is that what you call good change?

>> i think donald trump's comments were indefensible. >> and what he did last night having the women there? >> that is the way he chose to bring them in to that debate. to have them present. and to give them the opportunity to state their case. i think the comments on the tape of mr. trump were indefensible. >> and yet you do defend them by proxy of supporting him to be president of the united states. you can't have it both ways, can you, congresswoman? >> i told you, i agree with tony perkins, i share the concerns. and we have a binary choice here, chris. you're going to have one or the other as president of the united states. they are both flawed candidates. i agree with mr. trump that we need to do something about isis, terrorism, national security, i have a major military post in my district. they want to see a change in the way the administration has dealt

with our military and the way we need to make certain that our commanders in the field are listened to, and our men and women in uniform have what they need to do the job that they're expected to do. jobs in the economy, and my goodness, we have had a terrible situation, look at the labor force participation rate. it is the lowest it has been in 40 years. you look at the rate of taxation, you look at the overreach of agencies. i talked to business owners every single week who say marsha obamacare is driving up our costs. we're at the point we can't offer health insurance -- >> so you need somebody who can fix it. >> or the epa and regulations. no, what you do, what you need to do with health care, you did not need hillary clinton trying to deal with health care, chris. she nearly bankrupted the state of tennessee >> so you're saying donald trump -- >> through -- >> no, you can't -- >> congresswoman i'd like to ask

you a question at some point. i understand your list of complaints, i understand they're long. but you're oversimplifying the situation. you have to find someone who can fix those problems. you say donald trump can the man to fix them. so, why do you say that? what did you see on that stage last night that makes you proud to say, vote for him. he can get it done. was it him saying that he was basically unilaterally put hillary clinton in jail for what he doesn't like about her e-mail situation? was it him saying that he'll force companies not to leave by passing a tax, the first president to ever pass a tax because it's your job in congress? what gives you that confidence? >> i know what hillary clinton has done in the past -- >> i'm asking you about donald trump and why you support him. why is he the right person -- >> well i'm going to talk to you about what hillary clinton has done in the past -- >> what does that say about how you feel about donald trump? >> i know she can't -- >> if you can't defend your support of trump. i get it.

let's assume for the record that hillary clinton would be a horrible choice -- >> no, chris, let me tell you, donald trump has said -- >> why? >> donald trump has said he is going to work with members of congress, and he is going to have a good team around him. and he is known for building good teams -- >> you just called your leadership a bunch of hypocrites -- >> we both know that. he has said he is going to work with congress. >> he just called them a bunch of hypocrites. he just called them a bunch of hypocrites. >> chris, he has said he is going to work with members of congress. he is a big supporter of our better way ajen today and he's a big supporter of a piece of legislation that i've worked on for seven years. which is across state line purchase of health insurance. now, going back to the health care issue, we do know that hillary clinton's test case for health care was in my home state of tennessee. it was called ten care. it quadrupled in cost in a five-year period of time.

it drove the state to the point of bankruptcy, to the point of being 35.3% of the state budget, and it was a democrat governor who ended up taking much of this down and reshaping the program. now, you cannot fix something that is structurally flawed to the point that it does not work. hillary clinton is not the person to come in and fix the health care issues in this country. you're going to have to begin by repealing this, getting this, getting title i of obama care, the insurance title, off the box. >> except that you tried that dozens of times, congresswoman and it hasn't worked. it doesn't seem as though -- >> it will work. >> -- it seems like the political reality is -- >> no. >> let's take your proposition. why will it work? it has not worked to this point. it is something that's done through congress, you haven't

had the votes. it doesn't look like in this election cycle you're going to increase your votes so why do you think it would work if you have a different president? it never got to him to have to veto. >> it would work because you'll get -- be able to know that working with an administration, you can get something to the desk that that president is going to sign. >> but the democrats won't let it happen. >> you'll be able to get -- you know, and i think there you go. let's get rid of that 60-vote rule in the senate. so that we can get things to the senate floor and call an up or down -- >> but how do you do that if you don't have more votes? >> i think it's time for those senators to stop hiding in the high grass. they can say well we just can't get 60 votes so we're not going to be able to get something to the floor. so, chris, you know, let's put it on the -- let's challenge the senators. put it on the floor. put across state line purchase of health care on the floor in the senate. put liability reform on the floor in the senate.

make certain that you open up the health care marketplace where people can buy something that they want. get rid of these essential mandates. require the preventive service task forces to have people on them that understand that actually understand there are specialists in that so that we know there's going to be consistency of access in demography for across state cancer test for men. we want to make certain that everyone has access to affordable health care, and that they have a health insurance product -- >> congresswoman the products are real. the problems are real. anyone who denies them does not want to see the truth. the question is, who is going to help you achieve more of these things? you say it's donald trump. >> that's right. the problems are real. >> i got you. >> the problems are real. and yes, i believe that with the choices that are in front of us, that donald trump is going to do a much better job -- >> understood.

>> of working with the house and senate to achieve change for the american people. >> understood. >> that is what they want. they don't want the status quo. >> understood. i just wish you could have helped me understand better why you think he's the right choice but we'll get to it next time. >> sure, bye-bye. >> all right coming up in a few moments, donald trump's running mate. as you see, it's not easy for republicans to defend what donald trump says. and that's been a problem for governor pence as well. last night he was brought up in the debate. donald trump said he was wrong. how does he feel about that? alisyn? >> all right, donald trump also shocking the audience saying that if he's elected president hillary clinton would go to jail. so how will clinton's campaign respond to that? we'll talk to the chief strategist next.

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well, the presidential debate turned ugly. both candidates getting personal, with donald trump then making a surprising promise. >> we're going to get a special prosecutor, and we're going to look into it. because you know what? people have been -- their lives have been destroyed for doing one-fifth of what you've done and it's a disgrace. and honestly you ought to be ashamed of yourself. >> secretary, everything he just said is absolutely false but i'm not surprised. go to hillaryclinton.com. we have literally trump, you can fact check him in realtime. it's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. >> because you'd be in jail.

>> our cnn scientific poll shows that clinton was the winner. but did she land a knockout blow? joining us now is the clinton campaign's chief strategist. thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> you heard donald trump say there if he were president he would appoint a special prosecutor to look into whatever misdeeds he thinks hillary clinton has done and that she would go to jail. what would hillary clinton do to donald trump if she becomes president? >> probably ignore him. i think if she becomes president he will be a footnote in history. and i think that's likely to happen because what he did last night on the debate stage was fail to rescue what has been a failing campaign over the last 48 or 72 hours. he needed a game changer. he didn't deliver. and he didn't reach any voters in the middle last night with the kind of performance he gave last night. >> i don't know if your conclusions have been proven yet. over the weekend people were jumping off the trump train. but, some people we've had many

of his surrogates on this morning think that he resuscitated his campaign last night and in fact that it was hillary clinton who was rattled because of his tactics where he brought in the bill clinton accusers and put them in the audience. >> i think the -- i call it his antics, not his tactics. i think she wasn't rattled by him at all. if you go over the conversation they had during the course of the 90 minutes he was the one who was rambling and incoherent. she came to the debate to talk to people about their lives. he needed to rescue his campaign. i think you're judging him by a pretty low bar. he stopped people from jumping off a sinking ship. that's considered success. i don't think so. i'm not sure he even did. i think over the next 24 or 48 hours we will still see more republicans saying that this man is unfit to be president. just as they have been from the beginning of his campaign. >> joel, can you tell us what happened inside the campaign yesterday when it became apparent that that was the tactic or antic that he was going to use and then he had this photo-op with this old

accusers of bill clinton who wanted to once again tell their stories about what they say -- >> we have always viewed donald trump as capable of anything. and show type antics that he think people are focused on. what we've done from the beginning is say let's stay folk toused on the people, particularly in the town hall debate. these folks are coming with questions about their lives, whether it's their economic lives, their kids' education, their future, how we're going to keep the world safe. we actually had donald trump last night on that stage say that he knows nothing about russia. i know nothing about the inner workings. he actually repeated russian talking points by saying russia and syria are fighting isis which they're not. they're bombing civilians and cutting off humanitarian aid -- humanitarian aid to those women and children who've been bombed out of their homes. even his own vice president knows what's going on in syria. he doesn't. it's almost like a gerald ford moment going back to 1976 when he said there's no soviet domination in eastern europe. i mean this man said he knows

nothing about russia. nothing about the inner workings, and he's asking for people's vote to be commander in chief. he has totally disqualified himself. >> we will be talking to mike pence about that coming up. but did the sight of those women make hillary clinton pull her punches a little bit? why didn't she go after that leaked audiotape in which donald trump says, you know, repugnant things about what he'd like to do to women. why didn't hillary clinton go after that harder? >> i think maybe you didn't hear everything she said in the first answer and the second answer that she gave, alisyn. let me be clear here. she raised what he said about that videotape and she said but this shouldn't surprise us. he has been demeaning and disrespective, not just women. she brought up what he did after the first debate to alicia machado again, a woman he berated for her appearance, a former miss universe. she then went on to call out the fact that he insulted the parents of a gold star hero, latino american born judge of latino heritage. >> yeah.

>> that he couldn't do his job. which he said this is what he's done it is a pattern with women, with latinos, with african-americans, with our veterans and our -- our heroes. he dissed john mccain. he said he wasn't a war hero -- >> yeah, she did -- >> here -- >> but not focus on the audio. the actual leaked audio that got so much attention over the weekend. >> 80 million people heard the audio. she said look these were terrible things he said. terrible things he's done. his bogus apology last night, he dug the hole deeper for himself by doubling down, frankly, and saying, again, these were locker room banter. nonsense. there isn't a man i know, there isn't a woman i know, who believes for one minute that when you're describing not just a language that's offensive, but behavior and bragging about it, that this is locker room banter. and she made a point about that and said but there is a bigger pattern here we need to be concerned about, as well, when this man is running for president. yes he demeans women.

yes he has done terrible things to women. but there are also things he has done to every one of us in some way, shape or form whether it's the disabled reporter he mocked, or as i said the parents of those gold star -- that gold star hero, or a war hero like john mccain. >> i guess i'm referring to the very first question that she was asked where the person, the teacher, in the audience, and said you know, we try to have our students watch these debates but they're basically so base that we can't, and it seemed as though almost she was serving it up on a silver platter to have hillary clinton then go after what she might consider lewd comments of donald trump. but instead, she -- hillary clinton sort of pivoted to her policy positions -- >> no i don't think it was just policy. and i think alisyn in fairness, hillary clinton came to that debate to talk to the american people about their lives. town hall setting, people are asking very legitimate questions. and there's a bigger issue than just that tape which i believe was probably heard over and over against during the course of the last 48 or 72 hours by 80 million americans. i'd say probably as big as the audience for the first debate. what those people wanted to hear

last night is which one of these people can really work with the other side and get things done. for me and my children. and yes, a teacher asked that question that was very much about her role as a teacher. and what she said is donald trump is not a role model for anybody. he's a hideous role model. that's at best. at worst he is a degrading, demeaning, person when it comes to women, when it comes to people he disagrees with, when it comes to people who aren't like him. >> is the campaign prepared that it seems now as though these three women, these three bill clinton accusers, that they're going to be part of donald trump's campaign? that they're not going anywhere? >> donald trump has a problem in his campaign. his problem is with the number of republicans who are fleeing every day and i disagree with congresswoman blackburn. i think more will continue to because he continues to -- continues to fail to change the impression of him that he has built in to the course of this campaign through his own words and actions. the american people have taken the measure of this man, even in last night's debate, he had -- i said he needed a game-changing

performance. he has to reach voters who are undecided, in the middle, and that is a very shrinking pool of people and he completely fade last night. i'm not even sure he solidified his base last night. >> her critics say if all this leaked audio had not come out the story of the weekend would have been the portions of her wall street speeches that came out because of wikileaks and that she would have had to have explained better the difference in per public and private persona. fair? >> no, i, look, i take, we've been in this race now for 18 months. we've debated wall street and had to deal with it with bernie sanders and even more starkly with donald trump. donald trump wants to get rid of the rules we put in on wall street after wall street crashed the economy with the housing crisis. he's the guy who said i'm rooting for the housing crisis because it would be good for me. i could go in and buy up properties when people lose their homes. millions of americans will lose their biggest investment they've made, i'll get richer off it. that's how he dealt with the housing crisis. she wants to toughen the rules on wall street, deal with the

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shocking comments fild the second presidential debate. donald trump defending his apology for that 2005 video where he made vulgar comments about women and saying he would put hillary clinton in jail if elected president. how is all this affecting future of the gop and of the race? let's discuss the bottom line with cnn politics executive editor mark preston, and cnn political director david chalian. what this tape does, brother preston, is put those who support trump in a box because they have to support a man who just did horribly ugly things.

marsha blackburn, tennessee, republican congresswoman, struggled with that on the show this morning. here's a taste. what did you see on that stage last night that makes you proud to say, vote for him, he can get it done. was it him saying that he would basically unilaterally put hillary clinton in jail for what he doesn't like about her e-mail situation? was it him saying that he'll force companies not to leave by passing a tax, the first president to ever pass a tax? because it's your job in congress? what gives you that confidence? >> i know what hillary clinton has done in the past -- >> i'm asking you about donald trump and why you support him. why is he the right -- >> well i'm going to talk to you about what hillary clinton has done in the past -- >> what does that say about how you feel about donald trump? if you can't defend your support of trump? i get it, let's assume for the

record -- >> so, the -- what's the -- what's the dynamic at play? i'm asking her to defend donald trump which usually people love to talk about the nominee, keeps talking about clinton. i then say stop talking about her, talk about him. what's going on? >> well they can't talk about him, right? because what he did was absolutely indefensible and quite frankly he didn't really roll out any solid policy proposal last night or talk in-depth about why he would be a better commander in chief when it came to certain things. whether it's dealing with syria or whether it's dealing with the economy, what have you. the hatred for the clintons is so strong right now that they just don't care. i think it would be very simple for them, very simple for these folks who have to hold their nose on donald trump to say it's about the supreme court and leave it at that. but they don't really say it. >> hmm. david we just also had the campaign strategist for hillary clinton on joel benenson who tried to address this conversation that people are having today about whether or not she went after donald trump and those vulgar comments, in

enough. or did somehow she felt a little bit back on her heels and hamstrung because the accusers of bill clinton were in the room. what's your take? >> well, i -- listen, i think that hillary clinton didn't seem all that rattled to me by the accusers in the room. i do think there was a political calculation to sort of get her answer out of the way on the -- access hollywood tape and then try to move on. as you know she tried to invoke that michelle obama line from the convention, when they go low, we go high. so it seemed like she didn't want to stay sort of just attacking donald trump on that tape. in fact she kept coming back to many other controversial things donald trump said. she wanted to fit it into a pattern rather than just join the cacophony of voices about that specific -- >> right but isn't the reason that she did that -- >> -- lingering question -- >> but isn't the reason that she did that is because she is hillary clinton who was married to bill clinton and has these

women? if it were anyone else on that stage without that baggage, i think they wouldn't have talked about anything the entire debate. they would have said how can you look at this guy? he can't be president of the united states. listen to what he just said. i can't even look at -- that's all they would have focused on. she can't do that, david. fair criticism? >> yeah, no, clearly there is a vulnerability there. it is more complex than you're right than another nominee. but i -- but chris, i don't think it's just that. i also don't think that they think being in front of tense of millions of people and just hammering on that tape serves all of the interests that she wants to serve in terms of putting together her electoral strategy. >> so, mark, what's going to happen today? are we going to see more defections from the trump campaign? or has he staunched the bleeding? >> i think you'll see a few but it's certainly not going to be what i would have predicted at this time yesterday. i really thought that donald trump was literally going to take the train off the tracks. by the way he did take the train off the tracks in the first, you know, ten, twelve minutes when

he brought up bill clinton's infidelities -- >> but they liked that. the core of that party say go after her and their hypocrisy. don't let them make moral arguments about you. they don't have the high ground. >> the core of his support, okay, are that way. i totally agree with you on that. but those that are running for re-election, those who are on the ballot, every house republican that is up next month, all the senators that are up in vulnerable states, this doesn't help them. it doesn't help them at all. now there will be a couple telephone calls today with party leaders and rank and file folks to see what happens but listen, donald trump hasn't shown enough ability to not do something that would make us think, wow, there he goes again. so what i would say is, let's see what happens in the next 24 hours and see what he says. >> david, what do you predict? >> yeah, i'm watching for the same thing. i think we are now seeing the moment has come into full relief for everyone to see, of why the

republican establishment was twisting itself in knots over the nomination season as it was becoming clear that donald trump was going to be the nominee. because they were flash forwarding in their mind to this kind of moment. where he is all base, and nothing about reaching out to folks in the middle, adding to his voter coalition and that creates big problems for people down ballots because they are constantly asked about the nominee. and if he is just running, you know, a total core base trump strategy, without trying to -- to me he seemed like last night he gave up on trying to expand beyond where he is. he was just trying to resolidify his core and that is a problem for downballot republicans who, especially in critical battleground states, who really do need to reach out to the middle in order to get 50% plus one and help maintain their majority. that's why i say still watch paul ryan, reince priebus, folks who know that his comments on friday no matter what the debate

performance was last night, that tape that emerged on friday is still going to be a lingering issue all the way through to november 8th. >> when he said donald trump is all about the base, it made me think about that song all about that bass and no treble and now it's stuck in my head. >> no it didn't. i wrote it right there. he's all about the base. >> very good. >> we're starting to think alike, scary, scary. >> once again lost to the camerota cuomo comradedy. >> didn't sleep last night. >> join the club. >> cry us a river. >> so do you think tapegate is done? do you think when you say he staunched the bleeding that that means that this you move on now and it's it's not going to live? >> no. because he has lost so much blood at this point you're not going to see all these people come back to him. look it, his campaign is still in a major political strategic crisis, the pathway to victory right now for donald trump is beyond narrow at this point. >> okay bottom liners, thank you. up next, how did governor mike

pence react when he heard donald trump's lewd comments on that tape? we're going to ask him live, next.

i apologized to my family, i apologized to the american people. certainly i'm not proud of it. but this is locker room talk. if you look at bill clinton, far worse. mine are words, and his was action. you can say any way you want to say it, but bill clinton was

abusive to women. hillary clinton attacked those same women, and attacked them viciously, four of them here tonight. >> that was donald trump dismissing vulgar comments he made about women as just locker room talk. the controversy causing at least two dozen high profile republicans to pull their support from trump. joining us now is republican vice presidential nominee governor mike pence. good morning, governor. >> good morning, alisyn. >> governor, what did you think when you heard those -- that leaked audio from that "access hollywood" tape? >> well, i think exactly what i said on saturday. i was -- i was offended by them. i said i couldn't defend them. and encouraged -- encouraged donald trump to continue to express his genuine remorse. i think last night he showed his heart to the american people. he said he apologized to his family, apologized to the american people, that he was embarrassed by it, and then he moved on to the real choice in this election, which is really not just a choice between two

candidates, it's a choice between two futures. >> yeah. >> and i believe in the debate last night he was able to move beyond that controversy, and -- >> yeah. >> and in a very real sense lay out the choice the american people face here which is between a stronger america at home and abroad, standing on our constitutional principles, and whether we're going to continue the policies that have weakened america -- place in the world. >> yeah. >> stifled ourp economy and walk away from our most cherished constitutional positions. >> governor, donald trump is obviously trying to move on from those comments. but it's unclear whether or not the voters have been able to. um, was there a time after you heard them, because it wasn't, well, do you think it was just locker room talk? i mean, because this was talking about things that he liked -- that he had done to women, groping women. >> well, he said it's not something that he's done. he made that clear last night. he said it was talk. and, alisyn, as i said, i -- i found it -- i found it offensive. and i was glad that he

apologized and expressed genuine -- >> yeah. >> -- remorse. but at the end of the day the stax in this election are extraordinary. >> yeah. >> we literally have parts of the wider world that are spinning apart because of the weak and feckless leadership of this administration. we have an economy that is struggling. american families that are hurting. and you heard hillary clinton last night again talking about more taxes, more regulations -- >> yeah. >> more obamacare. more of the war on american energy that's stifling growth. and at the end of the day, in four weeks from now the american people have a choice to make. >> yeah. >> and it will be between two human beings, but it will really be between two futures. >> yeah. >> and as the next four weeks unfold i look forward to campaigning shoulder to shoulder with donald trump and laying out that future of a stronger america to make america great again. >> governor i just want to before we move on to your policies, we certainly want to get to the syria policy, but before we do, there were reports that you were considering dropping off the ticket after you first heard those vulgar comments and that, in fact, your wife was so incensed, and

uncomfortable by what donald trump had said. can you just tell us about the conversations that you had with your wife or your daughters about these comments? >> well, you know, i'll always keep my conversation with donald trump and my family private. but, it's absolutely false. to suggest that at any point in time we considered dropping off this ticket. it's the greatest honor of my life to have been nominated by my party to be the next vice president of the united states of america. look, politics is a very tough business. i get that. this is my first time, alisyn, at the national level, and the fact is that, you know, i -- as i said on saturday, you know, i couldn't condone, i couldn't defend those rarks, i encouraged donald trump on friday to apologize for them. he did. he expressed his personal remorse. but i also encouraged him saturday to take that to the american people to show his heart. and when he said on national television he wasn't proud of it, he was embarrassed by it, i

do believe that that he expressed himself straight from his heart to the american people. but, but then he moved on. and in the next 90 minutes the american people saw a dramatic choice between someone who is speaking boldly about the challenges facing this country, and someone who, when their confronted with their own record, when they're confronted with the controversies unfurling out of the clinton foundation, or her speeches on wall street, just obfuscated or ignored or refused to very spond. and i think in donald trump you've got someone who is willing to step up, speak boldly and plainly from his heart and his mind. >> yeah. >> and hillary clinton when she's confronted on speeches on wall street she gave us a one minute lecture on abraham lincoln and never answered any of the questions that were posed. >> and governor if it came out, if there were evidence that came out that this was just more than locker room talk, that, in fact, donald trump had done those things that he said he had done, to women, then would you drop off the ticket?

>> well, alisyn, he said last night very clearly that that was talk, not actions. and i believe him. and i think the contrast between that and what the clintons were involved in 20 years ago, the four women that were present last night, was pretty dramatic for most americans. i mean i remember those days alisyn. 50i78 a little bit older than you and i remember the extraordinary avalanche of scandals that came out of -- of president bill clinton's despicable behavior. even with a 23-year-old intern name monica lewinsky. >> yeah. >> that history records that -- that hillary clinton called a narcissistic loony tune. well it turned out monica lewinsky once bill clinton was under oath he admitted that he'd been involved with her. he paid settlements to one of those that were attendant last night. >> yeah. >> i mean i have no interest, quite frankly, i have no interest in dredging all of this stuff up any more than donald trump does. >> mm-hmm. >> but the simple -- the simple

fact is that, that donald trump expressed that he was not proud of, he was embarrassed, he apologized to his family and to the country. >> yeah. >> for words, but as all this comes up, the american people need to know -- >> yeah. >> -- the deeds of not only president clinton, but the efforts by hillary clinton to in effect -- >> yeah. >> -- destroy the reputations of women who made accusations against her husband when history records it was all true. >> hmm. governor i mean there are also allegations against donald trump. those very same allegations exist against donald trump. and so, this argument by -- by you and by donald trump of look at them, look over there, look at these allegations, the very same allegations are against donald trump. are you comfortable that this is -- >> i don't -- alisyn, i'm not -- alisyn, i'm not at all certain what how you -- bill clinton was admitted to being involved with a 23-year-old intern in the white house. >> and donald trump has admitted to being unfaithful to this wife. >> bill clinton paid a

settlement -- >> and donald trump had a settlement to the woman who accused him of attempted rape. there's a whole "new york times" profile about it. joe hart yesterday they're so parallel that that's why i ask you about going down that road again and dredging up the bill clinton stuff >> no, no, alisyn, alisyn, alisyn what you asked me is if the things that were said on that video friday were actions, if that would change my view, i said to you he made it very clear last night before the american people that those were words, not deeds. >> yes. >> and i understand why you want to conflate all this -- >> because there are allegations that they are deeds. there are allegations that he acted -- >> the simple truth is here alisyn is i understand -- i understand the desire to try and blur the lines here. the issue that emerged friday was a video that had very offensive words on it. i expressed my -- >> about things he had done -- >> my strong feelings about that. and he's made it clear that

those were words, not deeds. >> mm-hmm. >> and the comparison to the -- the avalanche of scandals that came out of the clinton years that were the subject of repeated denials, and -- and i get all of that. but at the end of the day, we got four weeks left in this election. and there are two human beings on the ballot. let's stipulate to that. but more important, there's two futures. and i got to tell you as i've traveled across this country over the last several months, there are people hurting across this country, alisyn. there are people struggling to make ends meet, there are people worried about the rising dangers in the world, the rise of isis, and terrorism in the world. >> yeah. >> there are people that are worried about a supreme court that's walking away from our most cherished constitutional traditions. and donald trump last night, through this -- this avalanche of media focus through the weekend squared his shoulders and refocused this election. >> okay. >> on the issues that really

matter most to the american people. and i'm proud to stand with him. >> governor i want to ask you about your syria policy because it sounded to be quite different than donald trump's last night. you had said that the u.s. needs to be prepared to use military force to strike military targets of the assad regime. donald trump last night said i haven't talked to him about it, meaning you. and no, no, he disagrees with that. have you talked to donald trump about your thoughts on syria? >> i've talked to him about our policy, and frankly, i got a lot of respect for martha raddatz, but she just misrepresented the statement that i made in my national debate, frankly, alisyn. you know the question that i got was about aleppo, was about humanitarian aid. >> yes. >> well if i can answer for a second. >> go ahead. >> the question i had, and you can check the transcript, so can your viewers, was about the humanitarian crisis in aleppo, and what we ought to do. donald trump's position, our position, has been that we need to establish safe zones and you need to be willing to use -- you need to be willing to use

resources and including military power to secure those safe zones to allow those people, including 100,000 children, to be able to evacuate. last night she conflated that and referred to general provocation and involvement by the russians in the syrian regime and you know, donald trump's made it clear our policy is safe zones for people suffering in syria. >> yeah. >> but also his focus is on destroying isis in syria. >> uh-huh. >> and not regime change. and i think the way she framed that was to suggest that i had implied we ought to use military power to achieve regime change. >> yes. >> i simply never said that. >> why do you think donald trump said you hadn't ear spoken about it. >> well he said we hadn't spoken specifically about what she said. and the reason for that was because i didn't say that. the position that i took in my debate. and i understand that. i look forward to catching up with him about it today. but the point is -- >> but governor hold on, one second --

>> she broadened it into a general -- >> uh-huh. >> what does america do with russian provocation in the assad regime. >> yep. >> i was speaking specifically about securing the safe zones and for heaven's sakes, alisyn, we have a humanitarian crisis there. >> we sure do. >> 100,000 children in harm's way in aleppo. we need to be willing pa long with other nations in the region to secure a pathway for those people to escape aleppo. >> yeah. >> before even more violence comes and to have a safe zone that they can repair to. you have to be willing to deploy resources. >> yeah. >> including militarily to make that happen. and donald trump and i strongly support the establishment and securing of safe zones. >> and governor just because you have said to go back to the transcript, which i do have right in here, let me just play for everyone so that they know what the original question was in your debate and then when your original response was. listen to this. >> does the u.s. have a responsibility to protect civilians and prevent mass casualties on this scale, governor pence? >> i just have to tell you that

the provocations by russia need to be met with american strength. and if russia chooses to be involved and continue, i should say, to be involved in this barbaric attack on civilians in aleppo the united states of america should be prepared to use military force to strike military targets of the assad regime. to prevent them from this humanitarian crisis that is taking place in aleppo. >> governor, we only have 20 seconds left in your window. but it wasn't just about safe zones. i mean you talk about the provocations by russia -- >> yes, it was. alisyn -- >> with american -- >> i was about to thank you for playing the clip because you just confirmed everything i said to you. it's about being willing to use military force to prevent a further humanitarian crisis to establish safe zones and allow people to escape the horrors of further barbaric action in aleppo. alisyn, plus you cut that a little bit. there was actually more that i said there. so your folks can go back and look at the whole transcript.

>> mm-hmm. >> but at the end of the day, donald trump and i stand shoulder to shoulder in this campaign. i'm honored to stand with him. i'm headed to north carolina today and we're going to continue to present this campaign as a choice between two futures. a stronger america. >> yep. >> at home and abroad that stands by our constitutional principles. >> got it. thank you governor mike pence. we did lose the window there. "newsroom" with carol costello starts right now. >> but you gave it the old college try. thanks so much, alisyn. you did, "newsroom" starts now. and good morning i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. it's being called the ugliest presidential debate ever, and it began with donald trump and hillary clinton not even bothering to shake hands. and the tone from there, only got nastier. >> for you to say that there was nothing wrong with you deleting