comments on that audio surfaced. they show trump's 11 points behind hillary clinton today. trump is promising to ramp up attacks against the clintons. only eight days until the final debate and just four weeks left until election day. cnn has every angle covered for you. let's begin with chief political correspondent dana bash. good morning, dana. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. that 11 point gap is why the speaker is telling his rank and file he will not defend donald trump anymore and they shouldn't feel compelled to either. gop strat ghegists i talked to d trump's spiral is threatening house republicans. plus, there is real concern that that ""access hollywood"" tape is not the end of it. more is coming. congressional leaders have fully shifted into self-preservation marked for identificati mode.

they're trying to keep a check and balance on democrats. a lot of conservatives are angry about what the new message is from the speaker, paul ryan. they voiced that to ryan and other leaders on a conference call yesterday. they argued that ryan is waiving the white flag of surrender making it a sure thing that hillary clinton will win and likely be able to stack the supreme court. the ultimate concern for social conservatives. so they aren't happy. they're not the only ones. take a look at what the republican nominee, donald trump, tweeted himself this morning. here's what he said. despite winning the second debate in a landslide, every poll, it is hard to do well when paul ryan and others give zero support. now i should say for the record trump is alluding to online surveys that are not close to scientific. putting that aside. what is important is he is laying the groundwork to blame paul ryan and other leaders if he loses. team ryan calls that ridiculous as you can imagine that trump is doing all of that on his own.

thank them very much. but trump has a lot of clout with the republican base that ryan needs, too, that the gop is on the precipice of an epic mess. >> dana, on that note, thank you very much for all of that reporting. donald trump is threatening to retaliate against the clintons if more tapes are released. cnn's joe johns is live in detroit with more. hi, joe. >> reporter: hi, alisyn. after a quick trip here to detroit and on to columbus, ohio, hillary clinton is campaigning in florida today. donald trump is there as well. with only the latest signs that this often ugly race could get even worse before election day. donald trump and hillary clinton back on the campaign trail after what many are calling the ugliest debate in u.s. history. a bitter tone from trump toward his opponent, the media, and his own party. >> she's crooked, folks. she's crooked as a $3 bill.

lock her up is right. >> reporter: the republican nominee threatening to investigate his rival if elected. >> i said we are going to get a special prosecutor to figure this deal out. >> reporter: while acknowledging that other inflammatory tapes of him may exist but warning if they're released, he'll attack even harder. >> if they want to release more tapes saying inappropriate things, we'll continue to talk about bill and hillary clinton doing inappropriate things. >> friends don't let friends vote for trump. that is exactly the case, right? >> reporter: hillary clinton ignoring trump's warnings and attempting to keep the focus on the 2005 tape where trump is heard vul gagarly bragging abou sexual assault. >> the whole world heard him talking about the terrible way he treats women. he just doubled down on his excuse that it's just locker room banter. well, i'll tell you what, women and men across america know that

is just a really weak excuse for behaving badly. >> reporter: the democratic nominee increasingly confident despite thousands of hacked e-mails released by wikileaks concerning the inner workings of her campaign and apparent excerpts from her wall street speeches. >> wikileaks. i love wikileaks. >> reporter: clinton defending herself. >> on the day that i was in "the situation room" watching the raid that brought osama bin laden to justice, he was hosting ""celebrity apprentice" so if he wants to talk about what we've been doing the past 30 years, bring it on. >> reporter: the clinton campaign says the candidate is happy with her performance in the last debate and happy with polls that show her in the lead, but they continue to say they believe that by the time we get to the november election this will still be a close race.

chris, back to you. >> all right, joe. trump loves wikileaks. it's a felony. let's discuss what's going on in the party and the state of election. we have former political director for george w. bush, matt schlapp and simone sanders, former national press secretary for bernie sanders, no relation, now a clinton supporter. so let's put up the tweet. let's see what's going on. trump puts up a tweet saying despite a big win and a landslide every poll, not true, the scientific poll, the cnn l poll he did not win. he's talking about online surveys. they're garbage. is he laying blame there, matt schlapp, because look what's happening in your party. 32. this is a wall of heroes or this is a wanted poster depending on your perspective. what's going on within the gop? >> chris, i think you've got it right. we're not unified, and it makes

it awfully tough to win a nationwide election when you're not unified. by the same token, one of donald trump's biggest strengths is he's taking on washington. he's fairly critical of congress including republicans in congress. it's always been an icy relationship between donald trump and congress. when this tape came out politicians do what politicians do, they did what they thought was in their best interests and that's what's happening here. politicians are trying to navigate the situation so that they can win in november. i can't really say i blame them for that, but as a republican, i'm sad that we're not more unified. >> well, quick follow on that. >> sure. >> do you believe that donald trump is somebody that should galvanize support? are you proud to get behind him given all that's come to light? >> i'm disgusted by what came out in that tape. i said it immediately. >> why say it's just a political calculation. maybe they're making a moral calculation, an integrity based calculation. >> the problem with that, chris, is as you know we're running against a candidate who has been involved in scandals for 25

years that are incredibly serious in nature starting with -- i mean, if you go through all of that, you didn't even bring up in your two stories, one of the things about the debate that was so interesting is he brought those four women to the debate. we might not like to talk about it but that is part of the record. hillary clinton has her own scandals for everything from stealing $20,000 to white house furniture, lying about her server, lying to the families in benghazi. the clintons have their own checkered past that are incredibly more serious and in the process they've gotten rich. >> schlapp says it's okay to back trump because the clintons are just as bad as he is and he references those four women brought connected to bill clinton's sexploits. >> i like matt schlapp but -- >> not me. >> unfortunately, it's not okay. donald trump has disparaged every single person possible in this election, women, african-americans or the blacks

as he likes to call us, the hispanic community, the disabled community, the muslim community, gold star families, veterans, republicans and democrats. so i -- i really don't see how anyone can say that donald trump is a candidate worth getting behind but, again, you know, i'm not a republican. that's not my fight. >> it's a relative assessment. we're talking about the unity on the gop side. you have a little bit of the same problem on the democratic side. >> we're unified. >> trump gets up there during the debate and says, bernie was right, bad judgment. you usually expect bernie sanders to come out and say, no, good judgment compared to trump. haven't heard it. part of the reason because of what came out in wikileaks, more proof that that party was tilted in favor of hillary clinton's campaign. tough spot for you, sanders, because now you're trying to be objective as a democrat but you were in that campaign. proof comes out they were against you. >> i was in that campaign. i've noted that, chris, there were definitely people within

the democratic national committee that didn't stay objective, that did pick sides. lots of those people are no longer at the committee anymore and are no longer leading the party. i think our party is united. i definitely think the senator noted that he did have some issues with what was in those e-mails and what he saw in the wikileaks, but the fact of the matter is we have the most progressive platform in the democratic party's history. what's in that platform is what secretary clinton and the sanders campaign and bernie sanders have said we're going to fight for as democrats. so we're not concerned. i don't think we have the same issue that the republicans have. they're in a civil war. they are fighting for the life of their party right now. we know who we are as democrats. the republicans have no idea who they are. >> matt? >> yeah, well, i just would say -- simone, by the way, i like you, too, simone. i don't know about cuomo either. i think your platform of the democratic platform is a great example as to why conservatives and most republicans believe that this election is incredibly

important. we all know we're sitting here right now with the supreme court deadlocked at 4-4. the next president is going to have their first decision be who is that ninth supreme court justice. and i don't want to get personal, but there are several other justices long in the tooth. you could see two to four picks by the next president of the united states. you see the obama administration, this war on our own energy production, this war on coal. if you go through issue after issue after issue, the obama agenda scares a lot of people in this country. obamacare has never been a popular initiative and we're all seeing the impact in our pocketbook. and furthermore, the economy is weak. so as a conservative and a republican, how could we do anything that would allow for a third obama term? that is the moral question and the political question we're faced with, chris. i don't think it's actually that complicated. >> chris, wait. we have had job growth. actually, we've had, what, 25,

26 straight months of job care growth. obamacare has led to 25 plus million americans having insurance, people with previously existing conditions that could not get health care. people in matt's party that have benefitted from the affordable health care act. let's not sit here and act as though the obama years are terrible. president obama pulled the nation out of a ditch. the republican party is bleeding out, they are 3w4r50eding out, they're hemorrhaging. i want to remind people that today is the last day to register to vote. >> you have 500,000 people already voted. put a quick button on this and i have a last question for zblu there's a big differential between obama's popularity and hillary clinton's popularity. i'm not talking about just what i think about these issues. look at the polls. a majority of americans, 70% of americans believe that we're on the wrong track. they think the economy is in the ditch. this isn't me saying this, this is the american people saying this. there is a deep discontent in the american electorate, which

is why bernie sanders did so well and why donald trump did so well. let's be honest. >> last question. last question. you're about to roll the bones here, matt schlapp. you're coming into the final four weeks. donald trump seems to believe that he can win this election if he can tear down bill clinton and take hillary along with him. do you back that proposition? >> i think both candidates believe that. i was called deplorable and i think that was a big mistake. >> she didn't call you deplorable. you know she wasn't talking about you. you know she was talking about the alt right and you do not identify as that. >> i am not a bigot. she said 50% of his supporters. >> then she corrected it and said that was too big a number. i shouldn't have said that. there is a group. you know what she said go ahead. make your point. >> okay. my point -- my point is is this, the candidate will win who is able to connect with the discontent out there in the electorate, and that's primarily in the economy.

it also involves our national security and it involves a broken washington. yes, donald trump is pushing back on these allegations, but in the end he will only win this race if he connects to voters on the central issues. >> matt schlapp, simone sanders, schlapp, you know i always love you and you're welcome on this show but your wife is micer. >> fair enough. >> alisyn? >> he agrees. north carolina is still reeling from significant flooding. rivers are spilling over their banks and they're leaving communities under water. thousands of people are still in shelters. cnn's stephanie elam is live in hard hit tarboro, north carolina. what's the situation there, stephanie? >> reporter: alisyn, when you take a look at the fact that north carolina did not get a direct hit from hurricane matthew, you might be shocked that 21 of the deaths from the hurricane, 11 of them have happened here in north carolina. the governor estimating that there are about 1 million people who are without power here, and

take a look behind me just to give you an idea of what this looks like here. we've been watching this canal which connects to the tar river which runs between tarboro and princeville, the next town over, and it's been rising. we've been watching it rising a little bit this morning as well. this is the problem that is affecting people here. a mandatory evacuation. in other parts of the state you're also seeing people being evacuated by boat, by helicopter to get them to safety. president obama even declaring a major disaster here in the state. federal disaster funds are available here in 10 counties. there's also an issue with voter registration. in florida they've extended the voter deadline to one more day. here in north carolina things are staying the same but the people in charge of voting here are checking county to county to make sure everything is okay. if there is deemed an issue, they will review that, but for now early voter registration

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did anybody see that debate last night? well, you never saw anything like that before. >> that's fair to say. hillary clinton is back on the campaign trail talking about her debate performance. this as trump vows to launch more personal attacks on the clintons if more videos of him are leaked. a new national poll shows her beating trump by 11 points today but many say it is too soon for a victory lap. hakeem jeffries is joining us. thanks so much for being here. >> good morning. >> so how are you feeling? is it too soon to start counting all of the chickens before they're hatched? >> it's definitely too soon.

at the end of the day the only poll that matters is the one that takes place of the american people on november 8th. she certainly has had a solid two weeks in terms of her performance. she's presidential. she's prepared. she's poised. donald trump has continued to show himself to be rude, reckless and reprehensible. at the end of the day he still has managed to rile up his base. he has a committed group of supporters. the intensity of that support is significant so hillary clinton, the entire democratic party have to continue to move forward. press our message of improving upon what barack obama has already done in keeping the country moving forward. >> i want to ask you about the substance of some of the e-mails from john podesta, one of her top advisors, that were released in this wikileaks dump. they were hacked. heaven forbid any of our e-mails be hacked. it's a front page "new york times" article about just how managed hillary clinton is, just

how much debate in her campaign goes into sort of everything that comes out of her moouth. there was a debate about whether or not she should tell a joke. why do they manage her to within an inch of her life? >> the hillary clinton i know i've seen spontaneity, somebody who's incredibly personable. >> because of that it's all the more curious that there's always -- that her top advisors, there's all of this hand wri wringing what she should say. is it too much? >> not at all. she's the one ultimately that decides what she projects in the information that she communicates to the american people. i think the fact that there's precision and preparation in the hillary clinton campaign suggests that we'll see precision and preparation in terms of her presidency. that's a good thing given all the challenges that she'll face domestically and across the world. >> here's one of the excerpts from one of her speeches.

this was at a luncheon. donald trump is using this to suggest is that she has not been completely honest about the vetting of refugees. let me read it for you. she said there's a discussion going on now across the region to try to see where there might be common ground to deal with the threat posed by extremism and particularly syria which has everyone quite worried. jordan, because it's on their border, and they have hundreds of thousands of refugees, and they can't possibly vet all of those refugees and they don't know if, you know, jihadists are coming along with legitimate refugees. that seems counter to her confidence about letting in syrian refugees. >> the middle east has been a mess for centuries. we have made tremendous progress under this administration particularly with our country, israel, the gulf states confronted which is the situation with iran. >> sure. >> i agree. on the refugee issue, i think that we've got the most

significant, robust screening process that is already in place that takes anywhere between 18 and 24 months background checks, extensive. they aren't let into the country until we have a reasonable degree of confidence and the proof is in the pudding in terms of the fact that we haven't seen any meaningful problem of the refugees who have been let into this country. >> yes. in fairness, she was talking about jordan here. donald trump is acting as though she was talking about the u.s. and that we're not vetting them properly. she was talking about jordan, however, we haven't heard her publicly ever talk about her fear with people infiltrating the refugee population. >> well, it's a reasonable concern for anyone to have. i would think that actually it would be irresponsible not for her to think through all of the possibilities, all of the potential vulnerabilities as it relates to the refugees who may be let into this country. again, i think we can always look at how we can improve upon the process, but the reality of the situation is that those who have come to this country have

largely been women and children and the elderly, and that will continue to be the case. >> your house speaker, paul ryan, publicly announces that he can no longer defend donald trump. he is going to focus, he says, on preserving the house. do you think you have a chance of taking back the house? >> absolutely. house republicans are in self-preservation mode right now because they want to distance themselves from the party of trump when in reality they k created this if he no, ma'am th -- phenomenon. they've adopted the harsh immigration positions that trump now -- >> you think you're going to pick up 30 seats. >> we picked up 29 in 2006. in the context of a wave election, there's historic precedent. a significant number of seats currently held by house republicans were won by barack obama. if hillary clinton can improve on barack obama's performance slightly, as she looks like

she'll do now. we'll be in the majority. >> great to have you here in studio. trump is promising to unleash more vicious attacks on the clintons. it's a nuclear strategy. it hasn't worked in the past. maybe this time it will. we're going to debate this with a former white house speech writer, david froome. he's going to talk about it here next. mom, i have to tell you something.

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if they want to release more tapes saying inappropriate things, we'll continue to talk about bill and hillary clinton doing inappropriate things. >> oh, it's on now. bill and hillary clinton going down in a flood of their own dirty deeds if anymore tape comes out of trump being himself. trump literally just promised this tactic as you saw. the crowd went wild. joining us to debate is senior editor of the atlantic, david froome. not only a fully minted conservative but i followed your reporting closely in the '90s

even though you look younger than i do today where you were going very hard on the issues that were presented by bill clinton's impeachment process. so let us debate whether this can work or not. i'm going to take the side that trump is advancing. here is his rationale in sound. let's play it. >> i was getting beaten up for 72 hours on all the networks for inappropriate words from 12 years ago, locker room talk, whatever you want to call it, but i said to myself, wait a minute, and i just saw very inappropriate words, but bill clinton sexually assaulted innocent women and hillary clinton attacked those women viciously. one of them said more viciously than he attacked them. >> froome, here is my proposition. i said bad things as donald trump. donald -- hillary clinton and bill clinton did bad things.

>> yeah. >> i, therefore, am better. what do you say? >> i say you're not going to win that argument because it doesn't matter. carrie hughs tells a story. walking along the beach. she looks up in the sky. there's a putt putt plane that says jill, come back, i am lonely without you, jack. she thinks, bad message, jack. too much about you, not enough about her. the problem is trump is talking about what excites him and what excites the republican base. meanwhile, there are actual voters who are going to decide the election. they know all about the clinton scandals, that's why hillary clinton is so mistrusted. they're looking at the alternative and saying, are you going to be better? tell me about immigration. tell me about health care. tell me about jobs and donald trump is talking about himself. >> okay. however, if this election becomes what it seems to be, which is a character contest and

a battle to the bottom, a proposition of who is less bad, can't donald trump win just on history alone and say every point of her career in public service has been marked by scandal that somehow they have manipulated the system to escape, i have none of that on me, i'm just human. i am the better choice? >> as you said, i was a veteran of these battles. i was a big proponent -- i was very harsh on clinton in the 1990s and i still, like many republicans, have very little trust in that family, however, they are a totally known quantity. the more you talk about character, what you're inviting the american people to do is say here are the clintons, you know all about them, good and bad. you're not going to learn anything new about them at all. meanwhile, here's this unknown quantity and you're going to learn about his character may rise or fall and you're steam, but you're interested in him not because of who he is but because

he offers something new. he's not talking about that. when he was winning republican primaries he was there to put together a new policy synthesis of defend entitlements. i will restrain immigration. i'm going to have a hawkish message on trade. many people responded to that or parts of it. now he's forgotten all of that. when he talks about immigration, he wins. when he talks about himself, he loses. guess what, he's talking about himself. >> he says, i will give you all of that and more because this is about change. the clintons are more of the same, and especially you millennials. you've never heard about any of this stuff before. it was before you. it just gave you a weird relationship with a certain sex act that you had to grow up with. i'm going to tell you what happened and what she got away with and then compare her to me. you don't think that can work with people who didn't live through the '90s? >> look, i think people who didn't live through the '90s still have a rough idea of the kind of people the clintons are. certainly the story of the clinton foundation, you know, we

all get older and money becomes more important to us and sex becomes less important to us. the clinton foundation is the new wave of scandals. it's enormous. it's been amply, amply covered. it's baked in the cake. it is not true that american people -- americans are saying, you know, hillary clinton, what a role model. compare her numbers to president obama's. he commands tremendous personal esteem and respect. she is not. she is mistrusted. she's thought of untrustworthy. that's the number one thing people say when they're asked. they know that. now they need permission to vote for you. they need reassurance that you will be not just change but change for the better. they get that from you offering them a message that is relevant to their lives. you know, this is also far away for most people. what they want to know is what's going to happen to my medicare. >> david froome, thank you from being on from "the atlantic." what do you think out there in america and beyond? did the superior intellect of

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all right. you see what's happening in the gop. the speaker of the house, paul ryan, says i can no longer defend or campaign for my party's nominee, and trump basically says in response, that's because you are an idiot. here's his tweet. despite winning the second debate in a landslide, every poll, it's hard to do well when paul ryan and others give zero support. one fact check, not true. okay. we did the only scientific poll after it and it matters. there's a difference. and he lost hand dilly, but what do we see in the tweet? he's getting ready to blame the party if he loses. let's discuss the political bottom line with mark preston. first, the premise, do you think that's what that tweet is about, the blame game?

>> oh, no doubt. he's been laying this, quite frankly, let's go back to the primary. i mean, he was laying this groundwork that if he didn't win the primary he was going to blame the establishment. now we're into the general election. if he doesn't win on the second tuesday in november he is going to blame not only the establishment, he's going to blame everybody and say that it was rigged. if you heard him last night in pennsylvania, he was saying it again. >> because he can't lose. that's what people have said, that donald trump is known as a winner. his identity is wrapped up in being a winner. so paul ryan is really out on a limb because paul ryan now trying to distance himself from donald trump, if he doesn't deliver the house, paul ryan, i mean, this is a big risk what paul ryan did yesterday. >> i think so, but i've got to tell you yesterday. politically i think paul ryan took the right route. personally, let's start with that. paul ryan is a guy known for his morals. he's a good family guy and he clearly had difficulty getting behind donald trump. we've seen that over the past couple of months. politically though, i do think that not only was he looking out for himself potentially down the

road because we think he'll run in 2020, no question, but he's providing cover for a lot of republicans who don't want to be associated. >> that's his real loss. if he loses the white house, that's not on ryan. if he loses a lot of seats and didn't do enough to help that cause, that could be on ryan so if anything he's doing something to help himself, not hurt himself. >> and the water mark is 30. if democrats get 30 seats they'll take back the house of representatives but i do think that's a stretch. >> let's talk about the gold star family that donald trump criticized. khazir khan is the dad. he was just on "new day" and he was talking about how once again donald trump brought up his son at the debate and made the really sort of shocking claim that if donald trump had been president, his son would be alive. so listen to khazir's response to that. >> how could a patriot american sit and watch this mockery of the democratic process that this candidate has conducted himself?

it is under that spirit, under the service of this country that we stand up and we stand up and we fully realize that we will be subjected to all the hate and unamerican hate. we will be subjected to ridicule. and we have been by his surrogates, but that is the price that we are willing to pay because we want to stand up for some values, for the values of this country, for the values of democracy. >> i mean, chris, you made the point, chris interviewed him, chris made the point with him that he didn't want to be in the spotlight. he doesn't relish his position, but he feels he must speak out. >> yeah, no doubt. and that's clearly -- donald -- that's a situation where donald trump is saying something and not thinking, and that really goes to the issue of temperament and his ability to lead, which i think is one of his biggest achilles heels. if you go beyond all the crazy things that donald trump says, if you just look at that one moment, why would donald trump drag this guy back in again? by the way, politically, stupid move. not a very good move to bring in

somebody who -- you know, like that father who lost his son, you know, fighting for america. >> it's a good opportunity. to this point trump has not reached out to that family. he tried to back away from what he said about the wife. remember, he said, why is she sitting there so quiet, like a muslim -- but he said, they're heroes. imagine if donald trump hears what khazir khan said today, picks up the phone and says, mr. khan, mrs. khan, i know you don't like me, i know you don't agree with me politically but i said what i said about your son because i care about these young men and women dying, i'll do everything i can to keep them safe. i'm sorry. if he does that. what a huge step. does he have it in him? >> no, absolutely not. if he does have it in him, it wouldn't be with the sincerity that that phone call would matter. there's something to be said, it's too late. it's too late for him to do that. i don't think we've seen that at all in him in this presidential campaign and i don't think we're

going to see it going forward. >> mark preston, thank you for being our bottom line today. >> never too late to say i'm sorry, by the way. >> that's a song, isn't be it? >> it is a song. donald trump chalking up the vulgarities that he said about women on tape as locker room talk. what does that mean? and what is the conversation around the country that has been started by this? that's next. >> 5 bucks. but the specialists at ford like to show off their strengths: 13 name brands. all backed by our low price tire guarantee. yeah, we're strong when it comes to tires. right now during the big tire event, get a $140 rebate by mail on four select tires. ♪

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i apologize to the family. apologize to the american people. certainly i'm not proud of it but this is locker room talk. >> donald trump dismissed this as locker room talk. let's discuss it with alexandra petry. and entertainment tonight host nischelle turner. >> look out. >> she works with nancy odell, the woman mentioned on the tape. ladies, it's great to have you here. nischelle, i want to start with you because i know you have spoken with your colleague, nancy odell. obviously it's a terribly uncomfortable position to be spoken about. how is she doing? nischelle? i guess not. >> hold on. we have to get nischelle's audio right. do we have petry? >> yes, you've got me.

>> alexandra, you've written an op ed about this. what are the conversations you're hearing ever since donald trump's comments? >> i can hear now. i didn't have sound before. >> hi. go ahead, alexandra. then we'll go over to nischelle. >> i was saying basically the idea that you get a pass on this conversation that it's locker room talk. this is a concept that we've accepted, men can go into a room and drop their pants and act as though women aren't people. that is frustrating and bothering and especially the idea that every single time trump's been called to apologize, which what he's describing is sexual assault. you can't walk up and grab someone there. you can't sort of take these things even if you are a celebrity. his response has always been to write it off because in his world this is normal. and i'm sort of wondering would we like to live in a world where this is normal? if not, how do we fix that? >> and to our knowledge, he has not apologized to odell or to the other woman that was involved. to our knowledge yet.

>> that's a good question for nischelle. do you know about that? has there been follow-up with nancy? >> to my knowledge there has been no outreach by donald trump to nancy, and, actually, i think that's one of the things not even speaking as an employee of entertainment tonight or, you know, anything affiliated with cnn, just as a friend to nancy odell and a woman, that was one of the things that i am really dismayed. there's a lot made about his apology to the american people and his family. there is not to my knowledge, i have spoken to nancy, she has not told me that this happened, an apology to her. >> nischelle, how is she feeling? the part where you couldn't hear me i was saying that i can't imagine what an uncomfortable situation it is to be the subject of such raw and vulgar comments. >> yeah. >> that are splashed, you know, internationally. >> well, you can imagine, alisyn, how she was feeling when she heard that. of course, she was embarrassed, dismayed like anyone would be.

i like any woman heard that and cringed and thought it was disgusting as well. what i think people should know about nancy odell is she is a woman of class. she is one of the warmest and nicest people that you would meet. i like how she handled this situation. she stepped out to the forefront and said, listen, this is wrong. being spoken to or about as a woman or anyone is just wrong and the conversation needs to change. i mean, the only thing i really cared about when i first heard this, this all broke we were in the office on friday together, all of us, was that she -- she knew she was loved and supported and that's what we've all tried to do through this whole thing is to let her know that we love you and we stand by you and this is just not acceptable to be spoken to like that. but, yeah, she's a strong woman and nobody's going to get nancy odell down really. she came out last night and said some power full words. >> there is no other basis of analysis. she was victimized by this tape. >> yes. >> everything else should be up side for her in terms of how she's seen.

petra, let me ask you something, alexandra. what do we do with this? when you have a moment like this and you seem to have an action and a reaction to it, what do we do to make some value of this situation? >> well, i think it's good that we're talking about this and that it's up there. i think what nischelle said was huge. the fact that he didn't apologize to the person who was involved in this thing. i think that just shows to what extent he views women as somehow a different category than people. they are sort of an object. a sexy thing with legs, like a status symbol. everything donald trump says about women is like oh, a good woman is worth ten men and a bad woman's not as good as a man. just sort of this idea that there is this different category that women fall into than people. i think we have to keep pushing back and the guys in the locker room have to keep pushing back and everyone has to say, no, women are people. we're not this strange thing. we're not objects. you don't talk about people like that. >> nischelle, there was another woman involved in this, and that was the actress that they

encountered when they got -- >> zuker. >> -- off the bus. arianne zuker tweeted this. how we treat one another, behind closed doors, locker rooms or face to face should be done with kindness, dignity and respect. unfortunately there are too many people in power who abuse their position and disregard these simple principles and are rewarded for it. >> absolutely. >> powerful people, men usually, think that they can treat women like this and get away with it. >> and she got that directly. i mean, we heard that talk about her like ten seconds before they walked off the bus and then it was, hey, how are you? how are you doing? i really cringed when i saw that because she had absolutely no idea what she was walking into, and that hurt so much to see. but, yeah, we've got to change this conversation, guys, and we've got to start with it today. >> that's what you are both helping us do. alexandra, nischelle, thanks so much for being here. >> thanks for having us. the good stuff next.

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good stuff, lord knows we need it. sometimes we can learn some pretty powerful life lessons from kids. this is definitely one of them. ready? meet adam todd.

cedar rapids, iowa. suffers from epilepsy and associated autism. he was running when he got confused. that's when one of his competitors, evan hanson, stepped in. >> i decided to just grab his hand and finish the race with him. >> adam gets distracted easily. this kid saw it. he and other athletes were so moved that they also ran along with adam and evan. both teenagers crossing the finish line together. >> i wanted him to be in front of me because he finished it by himself i'd like to say. >> because winning doesn't mean a damn thing compared to doing the right thing. coaches and parents and the crowd called it an emotional moment. >> it is. >> some even shedding a tear and right think so. >> that's beautiful. that is a great, great good stuff. we have some more good stuff. late night laughs. >> please. >> a man in a snazzy red sweater and how he stole the spotlight at the presidential debate. >> one of the audience members from the debate last night is going viral.

his name is ken bone. he's gotten so big that he was interviewed by cnn this morning and he was actually asked about his sweater. check this out. >> i had a really nice olive suit that i love a great deal but apparently i've gained about 30 pounds and when i went to get in my car the morning of the debate i split the seat of my pants so the red sweater is plan b. >> plan b. >> and america's moving on to plan c and electing ken bone for president. >> the debate was over shadowed by donald trump's hot mike video that was leaked on friday. in it we learned that donald trump believes that if you're a star, you can grab women by t the -- i would never let donald trump touch you, never. >> by the way, i don't think that's what donald trump's advisors meant when they said to reach out to women. >> that cat didn't like him. somebody handed him that cat and

it was actively pulling away from him. >> never work with animals as they say. funny or strange? you decide. all right. time now for "newsroom" with the woman who played the cameo in that late night laugh, carol costello. >> the laugh came out of you. >> i'm sure it did because you know what a genuine person i am. hey, you guys have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom," republicans revolt. house speaker paul ryan says he will not defend donald trump after that vulgar tape leak. >> isn't it really sad that we don't have stronger leadership? >> trump and his supporters defiant. >> let me talk about the tape that was released on friday. i literally, i don't care. plus, hillary clinton riding high. big crowds, and a double digit lead in a new poll. >> we are