n my life. >> good evening. thanks very much for joining us. two more women say donald trump made inappropriate sexual advances towards them. their zripgsz of what they say he did for them echoing almost word for word what trump was caught on tape boasting he could get away with because he's a star. that came out exactly a week ago. the actress at the end of it arriane zuker joins us tonight and kristin anderson also joins me for her first television interview. donald trump's increasingly loud and take no prisoners rebuttal is speaking life in in charlotte, north carolina. a look at the way he's making his case and the decision for the second straight day to disparage the looks of the accusers to say they are not attractive enough for him to

notice. >> no apologies and admissions of guilt from donald trump who's still denying he ever sexual assaulted women. >> i look at the television. i think it is a disgusting thing. and it is being pushed. they have no witnesses. there is nobody around. they just come out. some are doing it for probably a little fame. phony accusers come out less than a month before one of the most important elections in the history of our country. >> reporter: but every day it seems trump faces more accusations. the latest, summer zervos who appeared at a news conference to say she was abused after she was featured on trump's hit tv show "the apprentice." >> he came to me and started kissing me open mouthed as he was pulling me towards him. he put me in an embrace and i tried to push him away. i pushed his chest to put space between us and i said come on man, get real. he repeated my words back to me "get real" as he began thrusting

his genitals. >> another accuser kristin andson says trump pushed up her skirt and groped her. >> he touched my vagina. >> reporter: boasting about grabbing women's genitals at a hot mic moment caught on camera. >> you can do anything. grab them by the -- >> reporter: and other women as jessica leeds did on ac 360 >> >> did he actually kiss you? >> yeah. >> on the face? on the lips? >> wherever he could find a landing spot, yes. >> after that i was like okay, you know, what? let me just back these girls up. that is not okay. >> trump says anderson's account is false. >> one came out recently. where i was sitting alone in some club. i really don't sit alone that much. honestly folks. i go, i was sitting alone like this. and then i went wow.

it is like unbelievable. >> reporter: and suggesting leeds wasn't tractive enough for him to assault her. >> oh i was with donald trump in 1980. i was sitting with him on an airplane. and he went after me on the plane. yeah i'm going to go after you. believe me, she would not be my first choice, that i can tell you. >> reporter: trump's running mate mike pence says he has faith in the man at the top of the ticket. >> donald trump has asserted all of these recent unsubstantiated allegations are categorically false and i do believe it. >> reporter: and pushed back on michelle obama who denounced trump's behavior. >> i can't believe i'm saying that a candidate for president of the united states has bragged about sexual assaulting women. >> i have a lot of respect for the first lady and the job she's done for the american people over the last seven and a half years but i don't understand the basis of her claim.

>> jim acosta joins us now. donald trump, his vice presidential pick and members of his campaign promise evidence they say refutes this allegations against him. did they produce anything? >> reporter: not much anderson. just a statement officially from the campaign about the allegations made by summer zervos. can put that up on screen. it says, quote, i vaguely remembsummer zervos as one of the many contestants over the years. to be clear i never met hear at a hotel or gleeted her inappropriately. that is not who i am as a person and not how i conducted my life. as a matter of fact the zervos continued to contact me for help asking i visit her restaurant in california. and just a few moments ago anderson donald trump said all of these allegations coming from these accusers are 100% false. he went on to make these claims he's the victim of a grand conspiracy involving the clinton campaign and the media. anderson, the only forces working against donald trump

tonight were technical forces. his teleprompter broke. so he's now speaking without a teleprompter for the first time we can can recall in a couple o months. earlier this week he said he was unshackled. without the teleprompters u he certainly. anderson. >> thanks very much. again it is seven days since the tape came out and at least eight women have come forward. kristin anderson is a photographer, in the early 90s she was a model and her encounter happened at a nightclub. it lasted half a minute. the memories have lasted a lifetime. the memories came back and joins us now for her first live television interview. thank you for being with us. if you could first of all take me back to that night. what happened? >> i was sitting on the couch with my girlfriends. >> this is at a club. >> it was at a club. >> and i was talking to them. and next thing i know there is a

hand up my skirt. and i basically just pushed the hand away, turned and looked, got up off the couch. and we all moved. it was very packed. there were people everywhere, as it was then. and i recognized the eyebrows right away. and i turned to my girlfriends and who's this dude. and oh yeah that's donald trump, the eyebrows. and, you know, he just stuck his hand up my skirt. ew. and we just sort of went off the rest of our night. we moved and that was that. >> did he say anything to you before or after that or during it? >> no. >> have you seen that you were sitting next to donald trump? >> i did not see that i was sitting next to him. i wasn't aware of that. i was talking to somebody here. and if you have ever been to a nightclub that is a hot one, you know, you could be sitting next to people that you don't know. it is very easy.

>> do you remember what club it was? >> i'm pretty sure it was china club, because i remember the red velvet couches. >> and do you know -- one of the things donald trump said today is that he rarely went out alone. he wouldn't have been sitting alone. was he sitting alone? was he sitting with other people? do you know? >> place was very packed and very crowded. so that he was alone, i doubt it. i didn't see who he was with but there were people everywhere. i mean, he could have been sitting there alone in the midst of a crowd. umm, i don't know. that -- you know, he was sitting next to me. >> did you say anything to donald trump when he did this? >> i didn't. i just got up and sort of made very quick eye contact and just moved. >> when you made eye contact did he acknowledge you at all? or --

>> no. just sort of a quick glance. it was sort of like -- nothing really. it was very nothing. >> did your friends see what happened? or did you talk to them about what happened? >> well right then i did. and they were all like well that's donald trump. and i said he just put his hand up my skirt. unfortunately i'm not in contact with those people anymore. but quite a few of my other friends who i saw recently afterwards of course i told all of them. and umm, you know, we had a conversation about it. >> at the time what did you think about it? i, it's a strartling thing to have happen. >> yeah. i -- i don't know, to be honest. it was one of those things that happened really quickly. and i pushed him off and moved

away. and i sort of didn't really ponder on it that long. and i didn't tell anybody. i've seen a few people, like oh you should have said something. yeah, say what? to who? like -- >> do you feel if you had said something to the club management or security or something like that? did you think about that at all? >> i've thought about it now. could i have said something? maybe. but who am i going to tell. i go to the club manager and say donald trump put his hand up my skirt. they will be like yeah. and they will go to him and go did you do this? and he'll say no. and where do we go from there? it is kind of like where we are now. he's saying no. and a ton of women saying yes. and more are come out. because if this was that nonchalant there is no way he didn't to it many other people. >> at the time did you consider it sexual assault?

>> no. i didn't think of it that way, no. but assault in my mind meant something else. you know, hitting is assault. and i was very unaware with -- unaware of mental abuse, manipulation, bullying. i mean that is just straight up bullying. and maybe not exactly what happened to me but certainly what happened to some of the other girls who didn't get up and leave very quickly. >> i'm wondering one week ago when the "access hollywood" tape came out with donald trump and with billy bush on the bus and the comments, was it -- i'm wondering what you thought or felt when you heard that? when you saw that. >> well, a girlfriend of mine told me about it, actually. i don't really keep up with the

news. and i don't really keep up with politicians so she was like kristin, you have to watch this video. you can't believe it. you know, because this happened to you. and so i watched the video. and i was like wow, that's horrifying. it is horrifying. and i really felt for the girl walking into it. like when he comes off the bus and she walks right up and walks right into it and had no idea what he was just saying. and it is -- >> i actually want to play that just for your viewers so they know specifically what you are referencing. let's watch that. >> hello. how are you. hi. >> mr. trump, how are you. >> terrific. >> nice to meet you. >> do you know billy bush. >> nice to meet you. hello. >> are you ready to be a soap star? have a little hug for donald he adjust got off the bus. >> so it was that moment in particular. >> that moment in particular

really was very nauseating to me. nauseating. >> what was it about that particular moment? because obviously there were comments before but something about her walking into the situation not knowing what had happened? is that? >> well, i guess when the talk of what was going on in the bus was upsetting, obviously. and then i understood, like, oh this is -- you know, here is a man who thinks he can do whatever he wants and deny it and get away with it. but when she walks into it. it is like innocence walking into like the devil's den. it is scary. i felt scared for her. and probably nothing happened to her. but maybe it could have. it could have. and it happened to other women. so, it was scary to me. i felt like that little fear like ooh. >> we're going to talk to

arriane zucker later on tonight. donald trump as you probably know has attacked many of the women who have come forward. he's implied some of the accusers want 15 minutes of fame. some, he's attacked their looks. he's called them liars. his campaign has called your story a phony allegation. says you are looking for free publicity. why did you decide to come forward and tell what you say happened to you? >> well, mostly because there are many, many women who most -- these things happened to. and not just with donald trump but many men, who feel that they can just take advantage of women and the women don't say anything. and i was just talking to a man not two minutes ago who said it is only 20% of adult women who actually report rape.

that is adult women. not, you know, young women who still, you know, haven't come into their power yet. and just being able to, you know, come out and say it and have other women come out and say it. it is okay to say it. say it. somebody has to say it. otherwise we're just being quiet and letting it happen. and also, like i said before, it is sort of a gateway. so yeah he stuck his hand up my skirt. was i hurt? no. is it traumatize my whole life? no. but i let it slide. and what's the next thing that you let slide? and the next thing and the next thing. and when it is okay and where do you draw that line? when is that assault? because if you can just grab a girl, you know, grab her bobs or just throw her down and kiss her and that's not assault and that's okay?

i don't get that. so it would be nice to have some sort of system in place to allow these women to come forward and not be, sort of demonized or called all sorts of names. i've been called all sorts of names today. so, yeah. >> i want to just take a quick break. i want to if we can continue to conversation after the break. i'll just be away for just a few minutes. we'll be right back with more from kristin anderson. ♪ to want to stand alongside my, my love ♪ ♪ whoa, talkin' 'bout my love ♪ ♪ to want to stand alongside my, my love ♪ across new york state, from long island to buffalo, from rochester to the hudson valley, from albany to utica,

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and his damage control is doing -- talking to one of his new accusers. kristin anderson. kristin thanks for being was. donald trump himself denied your allegations today on the campaign trail. i think it is important for you and certainly our viewers to see exactly what he said. so i just want to play that. >> one came out recently, where i was sitting alone in some club. i really don't sit alone that much. honestly folks, i don't think i sit alone. i was sit ag lobe by myself like this. and then i went, wa, to somebody. >> i'm just wondering what you think hearing that, hearing the audience's reaction. >> you know, i think -- i think people with this sort of personality will do what he's doing. you know, he's not going say oh yeah, sorry. that is not going to happen. he's making fun of it and making

light of it and denying it. >> you feel he's making light of it, making fun of it. >> yeah. with that -- his -- you know, his joke -- he's joking about it. he's joking about it. and that's a message that is going out to everybody that's scary. that is scary. >> some trump supporters have said that the timing of a lot of these allegations is suspicious to them this close to the election. so i guess, you know, you said earlier you are not a political person. you don't really follow politics very much. are you a hillary clinton supporter? have you contributed to the clinton campaign? the clinton foundation? >> no. no. >> are you politically motivated? >> no. actually i'm a little politically terrified. i only started looking into the political situation recently just to sort of see what's going on. and i'm pretty terrified with

both candidates, to be honest. i don't want to vote for either of them. i think it is sad that that is our choice. and that scares -- scary. scares me. >> you are saying you have no political motivations here in terms of telling your story. >> no. no. and i was very reluctant to come here and do this. this is not -- this doesn't benefit me in any way. you know i'm getting hate mail now. so this is -- does nothing for me. >> i understand it was actually "the washington post" who i guess heard about you through somebody else and contacted you. is that correct? that it was -- >> that is correct. >> that it wasn't you reaching out to them. >> that is correct. they came to me and i pondered for a few days before i was like okay. they're like this is important. this is important, this is important. and, you know, as somebody who has been abused, it is important. it is important.

even the smallest assault is important. and that is really the message that i want to tell women, you know. if you -- if it is inappropriate, it is inappropriate. and it needs to be out there. and you don't have to take it. and you need to stand up for yourself and be strong. >> can i ask you what the thought process was? you said you took a couple of days to think about it. and, you know, they came to you. what was some of the kind of the thought process in your mind? because, you know, going public like this is obviously -- as the big step. >> yeah. umm, well, i guess the facts that he was lying and that i knew that and then i saw the other women. that was a factor. and i said well, you know, the right thing to do would be to tell my story as well.

they are being very brave and coming out and telling it. then there is the shameful side that says, oh, well you were wearing a mini skirt. so maybe it is -- you know, maybe you shouldn't be talking about that. but everybody was wearing a mini skirt. so is that a problem? is that relevant? and then, you know, this is a long time ago. this happened a long time ago. and it really -- it is not part of my life. it is not something i talk about. it is not something i care about, really. but, you know, people around me are like, yes kristin, but it is important. it is important. and just the fact that i, to myself, was brushing it off, that was the part that said you know what you really shouldn't brush that off. the fact that you want to brush

it off means that you really should say it. >> do you find different reactions that men have to women have? because i think if men found themselves groped on the street or whistled at on the street or whatever that so many women -- i'm not talking about donald trump, just in general, even today -- go through on a daily basis. >> right. >> if i'm walking with a woman friend of mine, i'm always amazed at the way people look at her. or, you know, compared to a male. and do you think if -- do you think men sort of see this differently in some way? i don't want to generalize that about all men, obviously. >> yeah, well i've been whistled at plenty. and followed down the street. and eyed up and down. and it's -- it's scary. you know, and then there are people who will say well, if you don't want that attention, then you shouldn't dress like that.

and then well, i could wear a burka. i guess that is my choice. but, you know, i like to feel good about myself. and that doesn't mean that i need everybody ogling more oh whistling at me or saying "hot mama" or whatever they are going say to me. it's not -- it doesn't make you feel good. >> if you could say something directly to donald trump, what would you say? >> i would say, you know, there is probably a lot more women and you know it and i know it and they all know it. so just come clean and just say -- you know, apologize. just come clean. they are not going come -- they are not going to stop coming out of wood works. that is sure. >> kristin, i appreciate you talking tonight. kristin anderson. >> thanks. >> i want to bring in the panel.

trump supporters and critics. amanda, what do you make of what you heard? >> well i think for all the people accusing these women of seeking publicity, i think they should watch that interview. she didn't look like she was having fun. didn't like like the way she wanted to spend her friday night. these women could have sold their stories for money. they did not come out until they heard his words. and then they realized yes i have an obligation to speak out. but this is so much bigger than donald trump. although donald trump's words and actions really disturb me, i'm even more disturbed by the way republicans have come out to defend him. i've watched so many people that i respect, like rudy giuliani, newt gingrich, ben carson and others dismiss this, say it just happens, deal with it. we have big problems in our party and after this election somebody is going to write an autopsy report.

and i think there needs to be political obituaries for the men who are jumping to defend donald trump and smear these women. >> congressman, you're a trump supporter. >> well let me say this. i have been an as employer involved with cases of sexual misconduct. i take them very seriously. i would also say my experience and interaction with the campaign, everybody there takes it very very seriously. this is sober stuff, anderson. nobody is arguing with that. i know in the cases that i've been involved with, sometimes women come forth immediately. and sometimes they don't. which makes it very tricky and challenging for us as a society to deal with it. so we're not saying to somebody -- and i do know that criticism is out there. well why did you wait so long. but there are reasons that women need to wait that long and women have told me that and i respect those reasons. you know, i also, one of the cases that i was vicariously involved with because i had a

constituent involved with was the duke lacrosse case. and it was a horrible case in which all of these fine young men were basically guilty more -- for one year in the court of public opinion. and every single one of them, by every measure, every critic at the end of this horrible period said they were innocent. and the reason i bring that up is to litigate these serious cases, if we as a society want to treat this seriously, to litigate, you know, it under the current circumstances, is very very difficult. >> let me ask you. you were saying you were involved in sort of corporate cases of this. which obviously corporations today are taking it far more seriously than they did 20, 30 years ago. if a ceo of a company said the things that donald trump said on that bus that we know he said or an employee in a company said those things and they were heard by other people in the company, would that person still keep their job? >> i think that would be very

very disturbing. and i they that that would be an issue that the employer would want to know what in the world were you talking about. >> you think an hr department would allow that person to keep their job? >> i think the hr department would delve into it. and the incident, incidentally, the h.r. director for trump businesses is a woman, or was a woman. named rosen. diedra rozen. and she speaks very highly of donald trump. and, you know, one of the things that i think, you know, measuring things and its context. here is someone who has 43% of his employees are women. yet the majority of his management team are female. >> i guess the question is if a corporation -- i've heard a lot of people say a corporation would not stand for an employee talking about standing around talking about grabbing a women by the genitals and bragging about it. that employee would probably not keep their job. if a corporation has those standards, shouldn't the highest

office in the land? >> clearly there are things here that we don't all approve of. but again we don't know all of the circumstances surrounding this. and i would reference two things that i saw today. number one was miss oregon. jennifer murphy, who said yes donald trump gave me a peck on the lips. but she never felt violated. she was -- she says she's still voting for him. so we don't know. i don't want to try donald trump because that's not my job to do that. i'm supporting for a multitude of other reasons. does this make us question? sure it does. all of us question the multitude of questions 25 days before an election. >> what's not in contention is what donald trump actually said and just those comments alone the r -- >> i've heard lots of guys in leadership positions say things i didn't were appropriate. that didn't mean i didn't think they were still in a great situation to still be a great leader. >> you have heard people talk about sexual assault, a crime?

>> i've heard people talk exactly like he talked. in other words talking about -- >> an act of sexual assault. is that right? >> never heard guys talk that way, i'm sorry. not in any circumstance. i think we're mistaking something. we're making -- talking about these generalities but there is a a long history of donald trump's behavior towards women. and the fact that eleven women, so far, and this is just the beginning, have come out and talked about being assaulted by donald trump is he's a criminal. he has executed a crime against women. and we can't sort of brush that over. it is not as you point out this issue about what's happening in corporations. we are 25 days away from an election. and we're deciding about whether to elect a man who has committed a crime. but -- multiple crimes. >> the gentlemen on the airplane said that is not at all how it happened on the airplane. i was there the entire time. he says she told him she wanted

-- he says she told him she wanted to marry donald trump. so stories change -- >> this is hardly the kind of evidence that can clear these accusations and it probably can't be cleared up in a run up before the election. but the reaction from men in the republican party is going to do such lasting damage. people don't seem to understand the concept of consent. you bring up the girl oh i wasn't bothered if donald trump kissed me. well for a man to kiss you without asking or having a previous relationship, that is very disturbing behavior. >> and let me add -- >> where is the tipping point in all this? a number of women have already come forward. it is very possible more may come forward. you know, the timeline of this is very different. we've all heard the comments. where is the tipping point? because at this point the campaign says they're going to present some evidence. you know, they don't really seem to have that much at this point.

>> well i think politically if you want to look for the tipping point, then look behind you. we're at a stage in campaign now where trump has allowed the story to go on for days with these very specific accusations but now a full week since the first tape came out. he has not said or done anything that seems to have convinced the great bulk of voters to disregard all of this information. and as we know from the answer he gave you in the debate, his categorical statements about his past behavior are at odds with now just a body of claims that grows every single day. and, you know, i suppose i respect the trump supporters for making their valiant effort to defend him but you have precious few republicans who want to do that at this point and more and more folks in the party no longer talking about winning the election but talking about containing the damage. >> and your own story today. your story along with maggie haberman and john martin quoted republican donors.

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i think you get it. they are made up. they never happened. when have you met tens of thousands of people, as i have. and i've met thousands and thousands and thousands of people. know them, know them well. it is not hard to find a small handful of people willing to make false smears for personal fame, who knows, maybe for financial reason, political purposes or for the simple reason they want to stop our movement, they want to stop our campaign. very simple. >> i wonder what you make of -- are you surprised that donald trump in his own defense is going after the appearance of some of these people? >> nothing surprises me anymore. but i mean certainly that may be his instinct. but is there anybody in that

campaign who has any common sense for how to discuss this issue? i don't know what steve bannon or kellyanne conway or the rest of them are doing right now but this certainly is not a good reaction. but i do think there is one thing that republicans need to be thinking about. post donald trump, how does the gop ever stop this from happening again? there has to be reforms with the rnc and first and foremost vetting of the candidates that get to the debate stage. and that includes submitting of tax returns. but also a scrub of the previous hike the howard stern tapes. >> and -- i asked corey lewandowski last night. blum bloomberg is reporting lewandowski wanted them do opposition research on the candidate see if there are land mines that another team will find and according to bloomberg that was nixed by donald trump. >> well i think that the trump

campaign really has focused more on change on the future on national security, on economic changes, deregulation, more jobs and so forth and immigration security. and i think that's been the focus of the campaign -- >> wait a minute. let me stop you. you are saying they didn't want to do opposition research on donald trump because they were too business coming up with policy positions? because i got to say for a champagne -- i haven't seen policy papers compared to most campaigns. it's a little light. >> actually i think he's put forward a immigration plan a tax plan, an energy plan. he's given a plan on national security. i think he really has. but the -- you know, the situation is -- i'm getting to amanda's point. >> do you wish they had done opposition research on their candidate like many campaigns do? >> it is always a good idea. everybody would say that.

but i think also the animosity towards donald trump by the establishment has been so great that candidates usually don't get the kind of scrutiny he does. but do want to say this the donald trump that i've gotten to know. and i go way back with mike pence and kellyanne conway. they are very very fine people. the donald trump i know is not the donald trump that he was 10 or 11 years ago. >> how do you know that? >> because i've seen him interact with -- >> -- [inaudible]. >> far more time with kellyanne and far more time with mike pence over the years. >> total hours like how much time? >> i can't count it but i can tell you -- >> spent days with the guy? >> i would say days with the team and i seen the interaction of him with his family, with his employees and so forth. and i think he's a different man than he was 11 years ago and i think most of us are. and i think that's important. >> 2005 he said it is okay to call his daughter a nice piece of, you know, what. do you think he's changed?

>> and you know what, i'm a father of two daughters and i would not do that. i know mike pence would not do that. but i also know in that hollywood culture when he was doing a lot of these flippant to me, and i assume with you, offensive kind of comments and interviews, i think that was part of the shtick if you will. >> i've done howard stern twice. he's done far more. you don't have to answer a question. howard stern is one of the greatest interviewers there is. and he'll ask provocative questions but you have the power to say i'm not going down that road. i'm just wondering when this change in donald trump occurred. >> and just so we're clear about terminology. you keep, and some republicans keep using the word offensiven language. saying i'm going to grab your pussy is sexual assault. it is not just offensive language. so think we have to get the term -- >> saying -- >> i said before, i believe he committed these acts. 11 women have come forward. i believe that is just the beginning. i believe he did commit those

crimes. but saying -- i don't know why you don't see this. it is not just offensive language. he is talking about a sexual crime. >> jonathan, do you really believe that that conversation on the bus was a plot, a deliberate this is what we're going to do? because i'll say this, as a guy who's played sports all my life. never going to say i was a sports star but i've been in locker rooms since i was five years old and i've heard that kind of banter all -- >> let me -- >> it's not really -- >> how old were you. donald trump is 56 years old i think at that point. at a certain point i don't think he's seen the inside of a locker room -- >> he wasn't in a locker room he was in a place of work. >> that's not correct. first there have been a whole series of athletes -- let me finish. there have been a whole series of athlete whose in the last week have come forward and said publicly that is not the way we talk in the locker room.

jack, hold on. because we are fathers. we have daughters. we have sisters. they do not talk that way. and jack i want to say again, this is not just sort of flippant conversation. we are talking about somebody who is talking about sexual assault. >> by the way he was 59. >> that is a very different thing. >> and jonathan i would have to say to you and i have to say to you very, very respectfully, there was no deliberate "let's go out and assault somebody." it was locker room banter. and i can say this the. >> -- not locker room. >> and i can say this as somebody who has been in the locker room and in the company of men, i'm sorry but sometimes there are x-rated disgusting off the wall conversations -- >> making it to a reporter as approaching -- >> amanda go ahead. >> it was not locker room talk. he was in a place of work. that is professional setting for mr. trump. he was speaking to a member of the media on a mike, taped up, talking about a woman they work with. stop with the locker room talk. he was doing this as the professional man in a

professional setting. >> i would have to disagree also respectfully with you. >> i don't think you are respecting anybody if you think this is talk that women should be subjected to. >> this is the problem when we are trying to discuss a very serious issue. i think you have a point. i think you have a point. but i cannot believe you can't see that there is a thing called banter that goes on -- >> jack -- >> -- may be talking about. but jonathan -- >> let him finish. >> you're acting like they're saying now when we go outside of this bus we're going to do a, b and c. >> he's saying i do this. this is how you do it. here's this hot woman. >> -- the talk between two guys who to me -- >> but there were women who could hear -- >> [indiscernible]. >> sorry to get in the middle of you guys. >> come in alex. >> what we're hearing from the congressman is interesting because it shows the progression of thought that a lot of

republicans have had about donald trump that, you know, a lot of people heard him say things publicly throughout the primary and before the primary. and they went into the general election thinking well he seems to have such a nice family so maybe he's a different man than i thought he was and i'll give him another chance. then the tape comes out and then there is the bargaining process of, well, he's not the man in private i want him to be but maybe he's just saying those things. maybe he's not doing those things. now you are confronted with this parade of women who say no he did do those things and i respect that the congressman continues to support donald trump but the problem i think a lot of republicans i talked to are having is they have now reached so many different walls of trying to sort of defend donald trump from what seems to be reality -- >> and let me say -- >> -- stick with it. >> as have the democrats. my friend jonathan over here. you know, 33,000 e-mails. no classified -- well there were classified. one server. oh there were 13 servers. oh, i'm against wall street but i get hundreds of millions in speeches and i'm not going let those speeches out.

democrats have had to stretch and stretch and stretch to in this campaign and that is important. >> quick response and we got to go. >> i'm happy to talk sometime about the e-mails -- >> we can talk right now. >> anderson want to go to a break so i'm going to be quick. jack, again this is not just banter. it is sexual assault and we need to understand that. >> and -- isn't just oh we lost the e-mails. you destroyed evidence -- it was a federal offense. >> very serious crime against women by talk -- >> we got to end the conversation there, i'm sorry, thank our panel. as you've been hearing no consensus exists on what donald trump said. let's look now of the hard fallout. a string of polls showing his support collapsing, especially among women. hillary clinton has expanded her lead nationaled wi doos wide. the up shot -- john mccain joins

-- john king joins us to break it down by the numbers. >> anderson the map is looking more and more bleak for donald trump and all these controversies. the groping tape. the fox news poll shows hillary clinton with a 7 point national lead. worth noting it was only two points for clinton a week ago. in the middle of the controversy a swing towards clinton. seven point national lead now. what's driving it? gender gap, women defecting from donald trump. 19 point edge for hillary clinton in this fox news national poll among female likely voters. a 19 point edge for secretary clinton. that as huge deal and even a bigger deal when you break it down and take a closer look at why it's happening. look at this right now. again just in the last week donald trump has lost 12 points among women aged 45 and older. ten points among suburban women. thgs with close elections are decided in the suburbs. seven points among white women with college degrees and six

points mock women who describe themselves as republicans. donald trump is bleeding support from women at a critical time in this race. how to do the national numbers translate in the state levels? call it a case of the battleground blues. remember early trump was going to win across the rust belt. ohio is the best state. plus one in the latest poll. it is not enough. losing in wisconsin, losing in michigan. losing big in pennsylvania. winning in indiana where his running mate mike pence is from but only by four points. that is a very conservative state. tells you how the republican ticket is struggling. clinton is leading in north carolina. clinton is leading in new hampshire. so you switch maps and watch how it plays out. if the election is today we already have clinton at 272. trump at 196 although some of those are getting iffy, include utah and georgia in that. some republicans even worried about those states. look at map. clinton leads in nevada. clinton leads in florida. clinton leads in north carolina. trump maybe leads in only ohio of the battleground states.

if it played a out like that 322 to 214. a blow out. lot like 2012. how could trump win? about the only path left, turn florida around. turn north carolina around. hold ohio, even if trump can do that, anderson. no easy task. still needs 17 more. only place to get them in one swoop, pennsylvania, where he trails by nine and struggling in the philadelphia suburbs more than he was. lot of republicans think that's impossible. those who think it's not over think it's path to 270. incredibly hard task when still in the middle of all this controversy. >> thanks very much. lot to discuss with the panel. patty solis doyle.

19 point difference in favor of hillary clinton. the increasing number of allegations likely just lead to that. >> sure. think back to 2012. mitt romney lost the election and he had a gender gap of eight points. so now you have donald trump with a gender gap of 19 points and it is all kinds of women, republican women, suburban women, college-educated white women. i don't know there's much he can do at this point to make up that gender gap, particularly in the way he's handling this avalanche of allegations against him. what he seems to be doing in dealing with this problem is making it worse by saying, oh, by the way, look at these women w. insinuating they weren't pretty enough somehow for him to sexually assault. that's not the way to win back

women voters. i will tell you that. >> kevin, in the last week, donald trump lost ten points with suburban women. can he come back this late in the game? >> i think the fundamentals of this election are set and there's not much he can do to change it. everybody points to about what will happen at the next debate. it's rare you see a debate, particularly after most folks watched the first two and made up their minds pretty much about who they want to support. right now i think we are looking at the partisans that will be tuning in to root for one candidate or the other. even when you look at the map, john king brings up a good point. you are going to rely on holding the mitt romney map and defend ohio or florida and then look at a state like pennsylvania. fur going to win pennsylvania, you have to win the suburbs an philadelphia. the suburban women right now that live in those areas, they are totally turned off by trump.

it's very unlikely you will see the number change. the fundamentals of this election are set and we are looking at the atmosphere and theatrics. >> if the election were tomorrow on the map it looks like a blowout. does hillary clinton have to play defense from now until election day and hope that more doesn't come out in wikileaks. >> there is a saying in politics when your opponent is self imploding you stay out of the way. i think hillary is fund-raising on the west coast and will take some days to preparer for the debate and that is important and worked for her in the past to prepare. and she has killer surrogates campaigning for her. she has michelle obama who was amazing yesterday and today she had president obama. i think her focus should be on the debate. right now donald trump is -- has this attitude, i may be going

down but i'm taking you down with me. i think that's a different scenario for the debate next wednesday. she needs to be prepared how to deal with that. >> the clinton campaign for their part cautiously optimistic, holding less rallies and public events while she prepares for the debate. there is the question of wikileaks e-mails that are rolling out. is that not a real concern for her? >> i think it is a real concern because you don't know what is going to come out from day to day. every time we talk about the wikileaks e-mails, donald trump comes out with something else we have to discuss. so in the clinton campaign there's concern about it. when you ask them about it they talk about the russian hack. if trump were running a better campaign, they might be more concerned about it, but he isn't. these are -- this has been an entire week from last friday night to this friday night that has been consumed with these

allegations against donald trump and questions of donald trump and sexual assault. so they are backing off, as patty is saying and they don't know how long this is going to continue. but sure they are concerned about wikileaks but their competitor seems to be more concerned about himself and his own brand than actually winning the presidency. >> as a republican, how concerned are you -- i'm assuming donald trump doesn't become president. how concerned are you about the future of the republican party and what happens, what do you think of the autopsy saying the gop needed to reach out to women more. that seems like a long time ago. >> it does. and i worry nobody read it after 2012, if you look at the way we are acting right now. it is a concern. i share amanda's concerns. i think we shouldn't have something like sexual assault be a partisan issue. that should be one where we in bipartisan fashion work to prevent and condemn it quite frankly. the other part is this is a part

right now, in the last 30 days that has defined itself by what it is against rather than what it is for. if i don't care loot 'this trump campaign it is only focused on animating its most ardent supporters. it is not going out and growing the party with a more inclusive message. that's why we are in this position right now. it's distressing for many republicans. >> if you are advising the clinton campaign how do you close out the campaign? >> i think she is doing what she should be doing, closing with her closing arguments talking about what she will do for the country and i said it a second ago, when your opponent is self imploding get out of his way. i think she will close strong. >> she won't be able to do that during the debate, though. at some point she will have to confront him over this because i guarantee you, chris wallace

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good evening, thank you for joining us. as two more accusers come forward bringing the total to eight. what donald trump thinks of one of them. >> when you look at that horrible woman last night you said, i don't think so. >> trump today talking about jessica leeds, our guest on the program last night. she said that trump groped her