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vegas. site of tomorrow's final presidential debate right here on cnn. donald trump arrived a short time ago. he's behind in the polls. hillary clinton has been keeping a very low profile. also under very tight scrutiny, over her state department e-mails, as well as something completely different. allegations and potentially videotaped evidence that a group of pro-clinton political operatives sought to stir up trouble and even provoke violence at trump rallies. the video comes from project r verita veritas. some of the things you're going to hear on the tape are certainly hard to ignore and should not be ignored. we're learning one person already has been fired and another has resigned. drew griffin joins us now with what we've been learning. drew? >> anderson, these videos were first released yesterday by this man. his name is james o'keefe. it's undercover video and a big caveat. o'keefe has been widely discredited and is known for

editing video to fit his conservative narrative. but what he showed in these tapes is enough to have one man fired and another stepping down from working with the clinton campaign. and the dnc moving sharply away from the progressive lobbying group where these guys worked. first, the video. in this one released yesterday, a man named scott fovel, you see him there, who was a contractor for a dnc-hired firm called democracy partners is seen and heard discussing hiring people, anderson, to attend trump rallies and start fights. >> and honestly, it is not hard to get some of these assholes to pop off. >> right. >> it's a matter of showing up to want to get into the rally in a planned parenthood t-shirt. or, you know, trump is a nazi, you know, you can message to draw them out, and draw them to punch you. >> drew, it's important to point out, i mean, the trump campaign months ago was saying, there are

provocateurs being sent into these rallies. so this fits that narrative that the trump campaign itself was saying very publicly. and a lot of democrats said, there's no evidence of that at all. is there evidence that what they actually are bragging about or talking about doing on these take place that they actually did? >> i should say, at this point, we still don't have evidence of that. but in the videos, foval, this guy on tape, cites specific examples. a las vegas event. a rally in north carolina where a frail woman was attacked. an event in wisconsin, where a sign was waved in front of scott walker's face. all he says, he did, to incite other violence or get some reaction at these republican political rallies. >> where is he now? >> we couldn't find him. he no longer works for democracy partners. it seems he was relieved of duty. the guy who hired him, anderson, bob cramer, he's one of the partners in democracy partners. he announced today that he, too,

will no longer be working on the clinton campaign. >> so, these guys on tape, they were working directly for the clinton campaign, is that correct? >> not for the campaign, but with the campaign. that is how the clinton campaign is describing the relationship. cramer's group, democracy partners -- >> not sure what the difference is. >> -- was hired by the democratic national committee to work with the campaign to stage these countered protests and demonstrations and news conferences at campaign events. we should also know, anderson, bob cramer is the husband of chicago democratic congresswoman, jan schakowsky. i spoke with him on the phone and he described what's being said on these tapes as barroom talk. and he said with respect to foval's comments on tape, they're straight-up wrong. "we have gone to extreme measures to make sure that no violence took place at any of our events." the dnc is also distancing himself from the whole thing, saying there is no evidence that

anything described on the tapes actually happened and that the dnc is going to investigate the filmmaker, james o'keefe, to examine whether o'keefe may have broken laws in gathering these undercover videos. >> drew, thanks very much. joining us now, trump campaign manager, kellyanne conway. if, in fact, these people weren't just bragging and they were actually doing this, this is very serious stuff. >> it's very serious, anderson. it's serious on its face, but it's also serious, because if you go back, the trump campaign was forced to cancel events like in chicago, because of the protesters inciting violence. and now we know some of them may have been paid, certainly, egged on. it's very disappointing, too, because i want a stronger statement from hillary clinton and her campaign, disavowing this conduct. the way they came out when one of our north carolina offices just two days ago was firebombed, had anybody been in there, they could have been maimed or, worse, killed. where is a strong statement disavowing that? i think hillary clinton's scare city is strategy, i get why they hide her for days before a

debate. people don't want to be reminded of how much they don't like her and don't trust her. >> you don't it's just debate prep? you think they're intentionally -- >> with 23 days to go, she's gone for 5 of them. that's their strategy. but i would like for them to put out a statement saying, this is activity that we do not condone whatsoever. they do not speak for us. as your reporter just said, they're working with the campaign. >> it's interesting, by the way, we invited the clinton campaign to come on to talk about this -- >> i'll take their spot. >> it's also interesting to me that bob cramer, this guy, would use the term, this is just barroom talk. it's kind of hypocritical for democrats to be attack donald trump for what he describes as locker room talk and say, it's not just locker room talk, and for them to use this term, oh, this is just barroom talk. >> that's right. and all these e-mails and foia requests, by the way, not just wikileaks revelations, really bring us back to the same point. you know, hillary clinton surrounds herself with people when they're not spewing anti-catholic bigotry, they're worried about what is in her

core, what will her message be, can she find her voice. this woman's been finding her voice for 30 years. then we a request, the fact that you have collusion between the fbi, the state department, the department of justice. the state department is being used as a concierge for foreign nations for foreign donors. the 200,000 victims of the haiti earthquake in 2010 have to wait a little bit longer for help, because the state department is trying to figure out who the friends of bill clinton are who should get the contracts. this is terrible. you don't want these people running the government. and then, of course, we know how she feels about people when nobody's looking. deplorable, irredeemable, bernie sanders voters are basement dwellers. >> she did apologize for saying half -- >> only because she was caught. >> well, i'll leave that up to the voters to decide. how much do you want to hear from donald trump tomorrow, continuing to prosecute the case against hillary clinton, as he did in the last debate? >> it's all i want to hear. >> is it really? >> it's all i want to hear. donald trump is best when he's on the issues. i mean, we've got -- >> but those aren't necessarily issues. those are character. >> well, it is character but --

i'm sorry, anderson, excuse me. it's both. it's prosecuting the case against somebody who has been in government or in public life for 30 years and is calling that experience and seasoning. experience isn't always necessarily a benefit. it's not necessarily a good thing. why are 3.7 million more americans in poverty than when barack obama and hillary clinton took over. why are over 12 million without insurance sit next to you? so if she's been fighting for women and children, where is the product? you've got to prosecute that case against her, too. i think there are many foreign hot spots around the globe that she's partly responsible for, have her fingerprints on, that was her russian red set, the syria red line that was false, the humanitarian crisis, now 80,000 children dead. i want her to own this. i want him to prosecute the case that this election is with three weeks to go, but it's always been past versus future. >> today clinton said that your candidate should stop whining about rigged election.

do you want him to continue this line, he's talking about rigged media, but also rigged elections. voting rigging. >> it certainly is collusion between many in the media. we just had the donations yesterday. you're talking about, 96% of the presidential campaign donations coming from working reporters, anderson, went to hillary clinton. those numbers don't like, 96% is really close to 100%. it's a 27-1 dumps. and 23 million americans through these three major networks, abc, nbc, and cbs, heard 23 minutes worth of these allegations against donald trump and these accusers, who he has,ed completely, melania trump denied completely, she stands by her story, stands by her account of the "people" magazine reporter. they got about 56 seconds worth of what we learned from the e-mails from wikileaks versus 23 minutes on the three big networks, accounting for a 23 million share of americans. he's got a point when he says things are unfair.

>> but again, you're talking about the media. what about ballot irregularities? he's talking about a rigged system, not just media, he's talking about the actual -- and a lot of these states are republican, you know, republican governors, republican secretary of states who have come forward. the guy in ohio has come forward and said, look, there's nothing irregular here. >> he did, but in colorado, the cbs denver affiliate found out that dead people were voting, somebody who had died in 2006 were still voting. you see right here, dead people are registered to vote this virginia. >> but you know that a loyola study shows a couple dozen examples out of billions of votes cast. >> we can compare our studies, but i think mr. trump's point is the same, where if you already feel that the system is against you, because you're trying to challenge the system -- >> what study do you have that shows otherwise? >> we have a bunch of studies where -- they're right here, actually. i can hold them up or i can read them. but his point is the same. which is that in a country -- a government that was supposed to deport 800 criminals, who were here illegally, hit the wrong button, and gave them citizenship and they stayed

instead of being deported. the staple government that runs ridiculous -- >> but there's certainly -- right, there's a famous pew study, which has shown a lot of, you know, people who are on the rolls who are deceased, things like that. but that doesn't mean that those people are being used to vote. that it's actually resulting in voting irregularities. >> it doesn't mean it's not. and absent widespread fraud and irregularities, we will, of course, accept the result of the election? >> you will? >> well, sure, because we're going to win it, so we'll be very happy to. >> ed rollins today on laura ingrah ingraham's show said it would take a miracle for trump to win. >> and we've seen them before. we glad he's involved in the super pacs. he worked for ronald reagan who was dismissed by people. >> so you believe there are people not represented in the polls? >> i do believe that. well, i can't find a single hidden hillary vote in the whole country. their all out and holding their

signs up here behind you tonight and i think for hillary -- for hillary clinton, she's got the current president, a past president, the one she's married to, a verypopular first ady, she's got the vice president and endless amounts of money. so why can't she get to 50% and stay there anywhere? that's an important question? in answering yours, because she's like the 46% gal. she's just nowhere mere the margins that president obama got twice in states where we're competitive. >> right, but why can't your candidate beat somebody -- >> -- ohio, north carolina, florida, states that barack obama, he carried north carolina one time. but states that he carried twice with well over 50% of the vote. >> i'm not arguing she's a the great candidate, but why can't your candidate defeat somebody who you're saying is not a very good candidate. >> he can and she will. she has so many advantages. she has endless moneys, she has a lot of the media. she has a very popular president

and first lady out there campaigning for her. i'm mystified as to why she can't get to those 52, 53% numbers in some of these states, given the disadvantages we're handed every day. i just think that we need to win this, because people love a comeback story. the one thing that donald trump has that she simply does is the the mantle of change and disrupter and washington outsider, successful businessman versus typical politician. you know what else he's going to do, anderson? he'll continue to campaign. we get criticized a lot. he's doing rallies. will those people vote? will the people who stood in the rain for four hours to see him at a rally, today, you know they're going to vote. i don't think they're all counted in the polls. >> good to have you on. just ahead, sorting the facts from t smoke when it comes to the latest allegations surrounding hillary clinton's e-mails. did the state department try to cut a deal with the fbi regarding whether some should be classified. and we'll talk to some of trump's supporters about what they would like to hear in tomorrow night's debate.

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>> the undersecretary of state, patrick kennedy, illegally pressured the fbi to unclassify e-mails from hillary's illegal server. in other words, the state department was trying to cover up hillary's crimes of sending classified information on a server our enemies could easily access, which is what we're talking about. >> problem is, not everyone knows exactly the details of what he's talking about. there's been so much partisan smoke on both sides, it's very easier to lose sight of the facts. before we talk about with the panel, here are the facts and cnn's jim sciutto. >> reporter: here is what the e-mails and interview notes from the fbi's clinton e-mail investigation show. the allegation is based on two somewhat contradictory interviews, with fbi officials, recently released to the public. in the first, someone from the fbi's records management division, whose name has been redacted, told investigators

that another fbi employee told him that the state department under secretary for management, patrick kennedy, pressured to have one e-mail remain unclassified, in exchange for a quid pro quo. the return favor, stationing more fbi agents overseas in sensitive areas. according to investigators' notes, the individual believed that state has an agenda, which involves mimdsing the classified nature of the clinton e-mails, in order to protect state interests and those of clinton. end quote. but a second fbi employee, who said that he or she spoke to undersecretary kennedy personally, said that it was the fbi, not the state department, that proposed the quid pro quo. that is stationing more agents abroad. to be clear, in the end, the e-mail in question was upgraded to classified, and no new fbi agents were stationed overseas. throughout, the state department and the fbi have denied that this was even a proposed quid pro quo. on cnn today, state department

spokesman, john kirby, offered this explanation. >> pat kennedy did call the fbi and tried to get a little bit understanding about why they wanted one particular e-mail classified secret. we didn't see it that way, we didn't think it needed to be classified, but the fbi held firm to their position. there was no bargain rendered. this was simply an interagency conversation about the classification over one particular e-mail. so there was no wrongdoing here. >> so, is there disagreement within government agencies and between them over classification? no question, i had a security clearance, i've seen it happen. and keep in mind, this is an e-mail that was not classified. it was being raised to the secret level during this whole process. and you have the state department reach out, it disagreed on that change in classification. from what we understand, the fbi, once it found out this e-mail was about benghazi, lo and behold, it said no immediately. so there was no change. it went up to that classification level as the fbi wanted. there was no quid pro quo. but let's be hont here, it

involves e-mails, it involves classification levels, and it involves benghazi. it's certain to come up in the debate tomorrow, i would have to expect, and it's something secretary clinton and others will have to answer for. >> the panel's back. joining us for this hour, n nia-malika hernderson. jeffrey, is there more just smoke here? >> we'll find out. i'm sure there will be an investigation of this. this is the problem. i've been in government. you have people trading around like this, if they feel they've got to protect the boss. this is the kind of thing that happens. this is what happened in watergate. they felt they had to protect -- >> but this guy, patrick kennedy was in the administration under republicans as well. >> right, right, and that is exactly the point here. is that the careerist here is get so caught up in this stuff all the time. or are dragged into it by the applying people, that they find themselves in a situation now. i don't know his situation here, but clearly, there is a problem.

and it's not unusual, at all. >> nia, do you think this is something that's gone to, you know, mobilize voters? dupg this is something that donald trump can effectively use against hillary clinton? >> i think so. one of the things that's going to happen tomorrow night, you imagine, is this is the first time a lot of voters and viewers will be hearing about this. it's kind of a complicated scandal. it's not even really a scandal, but you'll see, i think, trump trying to make it a scandal. you've heard from the hillary clinton campaign, robby mook was on a conference call yesterday, where he essentially said this was just bureaucratic infighting. they said that a lot about this whole e-mail situation. i think for hillary clinton, the challenge is, whenever she's defending the status quo, she's not in a good position, right? so she's got to explain it in some ways, but not seem to be defending the status quo. i think the challenge for donald trump is sometimes, often, he speaks in hyperbole. i think he compared it to watergate. he said it was one of the greatest miscarriages of justice

ever. so i think he's got to take the ryan approach and try to keep it narrow and kind of say, this is about the classified information about hillary's mishandling of it. and say that it smells of a cover-up, but not get too far ahead of it. >> gloria, it also, you know, kind of fits into that overused word, the narrative of the fbi and whether they are, in fact, you know, kind of honest brokers in all of this, which now, there are allegations about director comey, and you know, lower level fbi agents thought that hillary clinton should be prosecuted. this sort of again feeds into that. >> it's kind of a toxic brew, if you mix it all up for hillary clinton. this is a complicated bureaucratic story on a lot of levels, about what should be classified and what shouldn't be classified, and if i do you a favor, can you do me a favor? we know all of that, none of it sounds good. how big it is, i don't think it's -- i don't think it's huge, but these are the last three weeks of the campaign, so anything is watergate, honestly.

anything is watergate. and i think that it does play into this notion that hillary clinton hid her e-mails, she had private servers, she's above the law and this is what donald trump is going to be telling you about. >> also, scotty, for a candidate who has effectively argued for his supporters that the system is corrupt, everything's rigged with, the elections, the media, basically, everything, judiciary, this feeds into that idea, as well. >> absolutely. and i think tomorrow night, you'll see donald trump take hillary clinton's number one asset, her experience, which involves this entire brew, and use it against her. the buck stops with barack obama. but second to him, it stops with hillary clinton. all of this happened underneath her. we have not seen people being held accountable. i'll give credit to the democratic party and to those with this latest scandal. they've already had people resign, they've already had names. we still have patrick kennedy in office today. we still have people not being accountable for what happened yet with these e-mails. all we have is people taking the

fifth. that does not restore trust. that just shows that hillary clinton's a part of the status quo of washington, d.c., which is broken. >> well, i think what we need to consider here, and jeffrey, you said that there needs to be an investigation. there was an investigation. the fbi investigated this. these are -- this came tout because they are notes from the fbi investigation back and forth. so i think if anything, maybe, the congress needs to bring james comey back up, and have him explain this. because there was a reason why the fbi decided not to move forward with any charges. and it was clearly because there was nothing there that merited going forward with the charges. i think that's the point that hillary needs to make. >> van, as a democrat, are you just looking at your watch every day, like, oh, my gosh, 20 more days. is that sort of the mind frame? >> it's like when you're peddling and take your feet off and hoping you can coast across. look, this is bad for hillary clinton, it's good for donald trump, but it doesn't matter a whole lot and i'll tell you why. first of all, honest reporters

know, and you already said it yourself, jeffrey, the level of back and forth nonsense between agencies is unreal. i think it's hard for americans to remember. we have a million people that work for the federal government, plus a million in the military. >> problem one right there. >> from your point of view, i'm quite sure. but what that means is, any idiot at any point can send an e-mail that causes chaos. and so, we know, you know, those of us who have been around the barn is pretty minor stuff. it does play into the narrative and you can make a big deal about it. but people have it baked into their brain that hillary clinton did some funny stuff with e-mails. >> but why do you say it's minor? this is classified information that they wanted to come down and there was going to be the offer of giving more money and a budget overseas. that's not minor. they wanted it to be -- >> except for -- >> they wanted it to be declassified, so it would not be

under these classified e-mails that were supposedly on her server -- >> except for nothing happened, though, because the agency said, no. they did not what hillary clinton's director wanted. >> you asked the question, why does it minor? because the people involved were minor. when you have people down in the l lowerarcy of the hierarchy trying to curry favors, that's called people being people. >> i want to thank everybody. with the final debate less than 24 hours away, what do trump supporters think he needs to do on that vegas stage? we heard from some of them outside a rally. that is next. have conquered highways, mountains, and racetracks. and now much of that same advanced technology is found in the audi a4. with one notable difference... ♪ the highly advanced audi a4, with available traffic jam assist.

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serious way. >> reporter: many who lined up to see trump in colorado springs have been to multiple trump rallies and feel they have good debate advice to offer up to their candidate. >> he needs to talk about himself a little bit and give people who are thinking about voting for her vote for him? >> no. i want to see him bring her down. >> reporter: but in the same very waiting line, supporters with different advice. >> be more presidential. >> focus on the issues and tell everybody what he wants to do for our country. how he wants to lead us. >> i think donald should stay on the topics that are important to people. >> definitely. >> stay away from all the controversy that's surrounding him. >> reporter: and you think that's a way for him to attract more voters? >> yes. >> reporter: katrina baylor this is the same thing, but would you ever trump some specific advice. >> to not take the bait. >> reporter: but others think he should take the bait and run

with it, believing that aggressiveness is a top priority. >> reporter: if the moderator or hillary clinton brings up the incident tonight bus where these accusers against him, what do you think donald trump should say or do? >> he might as well just say it, what he said on the bus, grab her by the [ bleep ], grab america by the [ bleep ], we're all [ bleep ] -- >> reporter: are you being serious about that? >> yeah. we need -- >> reporter: how does that benefit him? >> how does it benefit him? because he already said it, so why not say it again? >> reporter: and then there's the prevalent belief that the relationship between hillary clinton and the white house is corrupt and should be called out. >> nobody has ever brought up the fact that our president, right now, is out campaigning for another president candidate. nobody's done that in the history of campaigning -- >> reporter: that happens a lot. >> no, it doesn't. >> ronald reagan campaigned for george h.w. bush. it happens all the time. >> you're not reporting -- >> it's our -- >> it's happened the in the entire -- >> nobody cares about obamacare.

>> you don't think reagan campaigned for george h.w. bush? >> no, absolutely not. >> reporter: well, he did. and finally, there are those who say, see how it all plays out after the debate starts. >> i think you should talk about the issues, but if hillary brings up any of those so-called problems, which are -- which they haven't proven out yet, then he should attack back. >> so there is clearly no consensus here about debate strategy for donald trump. but there is an overwhelming consensus about how it will conclude. >> reporter: donald trump will kick ass tomorrow. >> gary joins me now. i assume most of the trump supporters that you talk feel like he whon the first two debates? >> reporter: yeah, most of the people we talked to, anderson, felt he did very well in the debates. but we did talk to some people who were underwomhelmed, but fo two very dimpbd reasons. one group of people said that they feel donald trump should be more positive and more specific about how he will make america

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at this time tomorrow night, hillary clinton and donald trump will be in the thick of their final debate here in las vegas and in living rooms, bars around the country, drinking games will be in full swing. tonight, anything is still possible. either candidate could make a misstep or pull off a check mate. with that in mind, a look back at the first two debates and the lessons they may hold. here's phil mattingly. >> reporter: the high points. i will say this about hillary. she doesn't quit. she doesn't give up. i respect that. i tell it like it is. she's a fighter. >> i respect his children. his children are incredibly able and devoted and i think that says a lot about donald. >> reporter: and the low points. >> look, it's just not true, and

so, please -- >> oh, you didn't delete 'em? >> allow her to respond, please -- >> personal e-mails, not official -- >> 33,000? >> well, we turned over 35,000, please -- >> please allow her to respond. she didn't talk while you talked. >> yes, that's true, i didn't. >> because you have nothing to say. >> so what are the lessons of the first two debates? clinton advisers descrie the first debate as ideal, an opportunity for clinton to showcase her preparation. >> i think donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. and yes, i did. and you know what else i prepared for? i prepared to be president. >> reporter: and also for her to set this trap for trump. >> and one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. he loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them. and he called this woman miss piggy. then he called her miss

housekeeping, because she was latina. donald, she has a name -- >> where did you find this? >> her name is alicia machado. >> for trump, it was an uneven performance. there were moments when trump hit on the exact moments that gop leaders want him to hammer. >> now you want to approve transpacific partnership. you were totally in favor of it. then you heard what i was saying, how bad it is, and you said, i can't win that debate. but you know if you did win, you would approve that, and that will be almost as bad as nafta. nothing will ever top nafta. >> that is just not accurate. i was against it once it was finally negotiated and the terms were laid out. i wrote about that in -- >> you called it the gold standard. >> well, i -- >> you called it gold standard of trade deals. you said it's the finest deal you've ever seen. >> reporter: and others where it appeared he'd lost control. >> well, i hope the fact checkers are turning up the volume and really working hard. donald supported the invasion of

iraq -- >> wrong. >> that is absolutely proved -- >> wrong. >> -- over and over again. >> wrong. >> reporter: trump advisers point to the second debate, the town hall format, as an unquestioned victory for trump, despite polling that showed otherwise. >> there was this off the cuff zinger that landed. >> mr. trump? >> so ridiculous. look, now she's blaming -- she got caught in a total lie. her papers went out to all her friends at the banks, goldman sachs and everybody else. and she said things, wikileaks, that just came out. and she lied. now she's blaming the lie on the late, great, abraham lincoln. that's one that i haven't -- okay, honest abe. honest abe never lied. that's the big difference between ab raham lincoln and yo. that's a big, big difference we're talking about. some difference. >> reporter: it was according to one senior trump adviser, a demonstration of a more focussed and more prepared trump. something the campaign is

seeking to replicate wednesday night here in las vegas. as to any pre-game theatrics, one trump adviser told cnn, stay tuned. >> i have a feeling that by the end of this evening, i'm going to be blamed for everything that's ever happened -- >> why not? >> why not? yeah. why not. >> reporter: phil mattingly, cnn, las vegas. >> a lot to discuss. joining us again, cnn senior political reporter, nia-malika henderson, and i know political analyst, gloria borger. gloria, looking ahead to tomorrow, what do you think? >> i think -- >> what are you expecting? >> fireworks. and i think hillary clinton, in a way, has a tougher job than donald trump tomorrow night. because she has to come up with a better explanation for the e-mails. she has to continue to show that she has the temperament to be president. and she has to kind of attack at the same time and take down donald trump. it's not easy. and i think donald trump, on the

other hand, just kind of has to prove that he can be in the oval office -- that people have to see him as somebody who can occupy the oval office. >> not the people that already see him that way -- >> and broaden -- >> it's really moderates. it's independent voters. it's college-educated voters of both races. it's older voters. these are all of the voters that hillary clinton is overperforming among. and donald trump is underperforming relative to mitt romney. and i think you're right. he's got to paycheck those people believe that he has the temperament. 60% of voters in these last polls -- and that's been pretty consistent, don't think he has the right temperament. so he's got to figure that out. i think he's got to not talk so much about himself and how great he is. he's got to talk about voters. he also has to talk about the economy. that is his strong suit. if you saw that last debate, the first debate, when he was talking about tpp, when he was talking about trade deals, that really worked for him. i also think stylistically, he has been horrible. he's got to really figure out a way to improve, and know that

this is a television performance. he's always lost on those two shots. he seemed to be stalking her in that second debate. and "snl" did a pretty good parody of it. he's got to figure that out, too. >> the question, during the first debate, she, you know, baited him. i think, arguably, very successfully. he went down a lot of rabbit holes to chasing what she had thrown out there. we saw less of that in the second debate. he seemed much more on the attack, prosecuting the case. do you think she attempts to do that again, or was that like a one trick that you can't arepea? >> she might. i think president obama did it when he said, stop whining about the rigged election. i think that was kind of poking the bear a little bit. if he raises the rigged election issue, which i anticipate he probably will, it's an odd closing argument, if you ask me, but if he raises it, i think she'll probably poke him the same way and will say, stop whining about the election before a vote is cast. so i do think, because he's such an easy target that way, and he

can't resist, it would be malpractice if she didn't try to poke him a few more times. >> and do it in a way that seems authentic and not a way that sounds like she's reciting a practiced line. >> trumped up trickle down. >> gave it two tries and like -- >> i don't want to hear that again. and hopefully we won't hear about abraham lincoln again. that seemed to be a line that worked better for donald trump and not so much for her. and she's also got to say, why should she be president? she's very likely to win this campaign. what is america going to look like under a hillary clinton presidency? can she bring folks together? i think you're right, she's got a lot of work to do, primarily because wikileaks, she hasn't answered to any of this stuff, because she's been practicing. >> it's always a good idea to try to make a positive case for yourself when you're running for president, but we haven't seen a lot of that. >> it's so old fashioned. gloria borger and nia-malika

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21 days to go. the trump campaign is set to out spend the campaign for the first time in the general election. florida is a big target in the ad buyers. in the latest quinnipiac poll, clinton is leading by four points, 48% to 44% in a four-way match yep. clinton's gains come from independents. florida is a must-win state for trump. evangelicals are important, and sexual assault accusations testi against trump are testing their cause. >> reporter: six evangelical women questioned who they are going to vote for president. >> does faith come first? >> absolutely. >> sherice, what is your moral dilemma? >> as denise mentioned, i don't know that trump necessarily

aligns 100% with my faith. >> that is the same moral dilemma for nearly everyone in this group. all members of metro life church in miami. >> i just don't feel that donald trump represents my values or my party. >> that's why i'm in this turmoil because i can't support trump. >> reporter: she can't support trump, she says, especially after that "access hollywood" tape was leaked. on it, trump said he kissed and groped women without invitation and got away with it because he's a star. >> how did you feel when you heard that audiotape that was leaked? >> i was disgusted. the men in my life don't act like that. it's not normal. it's not okay. >> it's not okay for this woman either. >> my religion, my religious beliefs have me more inclined to lean towards trump. i was shaken by what i heard. >> as christians we have to respond with grace and with love and in a forgiving manner but we

don't have to forgive what we have seen. >> reporter: almost all of these women have doubts about the timing of the accusers who say they groped them. the leaked tape is different. that was trump in his own words still three of the women say they will vote for trump. one reason the others are still even considering it is because trump apologized for what he said. >> i don't think any woman can sit here and say, yeah, men talk like that, we should excuse it. it's disgusting, but it's so disgusting that he not only apologize on video, he apologized in the debate. >> how does it feel for a candidate who you've heard say and do things that don't lineup with your faith? >> i do not have to agree with him on everything he says in order for me to know that i think he would be a better president than hillary clinton. >> we've never heard any type of apology from her. what kind of a president would she be if she would just continue not having any type of accountability, yet have more authority given to her.

>> the part of your faith includes forgiveness. >> yes. >> it sounds like you would like to forgive him and vote your faith? >> yes, correct. >> and i also believe everyone deserves grace and forgiveness and i do -- from what i've heard, it's been several years ago. >> reporter: part of the reason they want to forgive him is they believe trump may be the best hope for the supreme court. >> trump or hillary will be there for two terms and that's it. supreme court justices are there almost for life. >> if donald trump is elected, how will you feel november 9th? >> cautious. i'm going to pray a lot. >> one word? >> anxious. >> disappointed. >> relieved. >> worried. >> and randy joins me now from miami. it does seem like these women are struggling with their decision. it's a very hard call for them. >> reporter: absolutely,

anderson. what they're really praying for is some clarity. even though they believe the next president is god's will, one woman told me she's so torn up she'll probably stay home on election day and anderson this was going on long before the accusers came forward, long before the "access hollywood" tape. they've had some issues over donald trump, over the fact he's had multiple marriages, he was one pro-choice, he's said things about muslims, wanting to ban them from the country, and minorities so that's why they're stuckli struggling, and as christians they're about love and grace, not aggressiveness or being nasty, so when donald trump gets like that it makes them think long and hard about whether or not they could vote for him and many of them, anderson, are still trying to square their faith with who they think he represents and they may not decide until election day. >> all right. randy, thank you very much. we'll be right back.

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that does it for us. we want to thank you for watching, all the students at unlv. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. well, what happens in vegase the course of the election in the final presidential election, is tomorrow. preparing for the debate that could ultimately decide this election, this is our brand-new poll of polls. hillary clinton leading by 8 points nationally. as trump, campaigning in colorado, lobs some of his favor race charges tonight. >> the media, you have to remember, is a