she comes in looking to protect. he comes in needed to fundamentally change the arc of a race that right now is lopsided in hillary clinton's favor. >> john, thanks very much. that does it for us. thanks for watching. our pre debate coverage continues right now with erin burnett "outfront."

>> i think it is pretty clear there are two very different choices. >> it is by far the most important vote that you have ever cast. >> two nominees. one stage. and america's future up for debate. and welcome. we are live in las vegas where donald trump and hillary clinton are about to get their last chance to appeal to tens of millions of voters at one time. this may also be trump's last chance to change the direction of this race for the white house. we are coming to you live from the spin room next to the debate hall right here on the campus of

university of nevada las vegas. and welcome to all of you. i'm erin burnett with a very special edition of "outfront" on this debate night in america. the presidential nominees are heading into their final face-off. and right now when it comes to the polls hillary clinton is holding a clear advantage. donald trump is at his weakest position of this campaign. trump's campaign manager tells cnn she wants him to stay focused on the issues tonight. on clinton's weaknesses. trump of course may choose instead as he has before to double down on the incendiary message he's been delivering claiming the election is rigged, which from all fact checking we've done is not true. clinton says she's bracing for the toughest debate yet. but she's back on the defensive over e-mails and controversy getting renewed attention because of the stolen e-mails published by wikileaks. wolf blitzer is there and this really is the do or diesmt this is the final chance and i know

we may get a sense of the tone of this debate very quickly. >> i think we will, erin. we'll see if the candidates shake hands for example when they walk on the stage about two hours from now. remember last time they did not shake hands at the beginning of the debate. the format is the same as the first debate. viewers will see donald trump on the left. hillary clinton on the right. l the entire 90 minutes. the first question will go to hillary clinton. the debate will focus on six topics. economy, debt and entitlements, immigration and foreign hot spots, the supreme court and fitness to be president of the united states. we're standing by for the candidates to arrive here on the unlv campus as we count down to the main event. we also have a live interview with donald trump's running mate mike pence. pence won his vice presidential

debate. we'll also bring you a remarkable debate before the presidential disability between donald trump supporters, rudy giuliani, and clinton supporter mark cuban. that will be very intense. erin? >> that will be intense and exciting. going to happen right here in just moments from now. and we are getting some new information about donald trump and what he'll be doing tonight. let's bring in jim acosta. what are you learning? >> based on donald trump's guest list the gop nominee is going full bannan as in stephen bannon, the campaign chairman and head of the conservative breitbart website. a close advisor to trump tells me it is not in trump's nature to come out and acknowledge his flaws at the debate. instead he'll be on the attack. with guests in his corner who are beloved in the conservative movement from sarah palin to patricia smith, the mother of one of the those killed at benghazi. a senior advisor tells me donald trump remains confident he's going win this election. he's in good spirits and not at

all allowing the feel that he could lose this race to sink in. trump will attack repeatedly according to his advisor on foreign policy to make the case that clinton has time and again made the wrong calls on the world stage. and trump campaign manager kellyanne conway is the mission is simple this. win. even if the losers say we lost. erin? >> thank you very much. and now brianna keilar is covering the clinton campaign. what are you learning? now we know what donald trump is going hard after here. what is hillary clinton ready for? >> she has certainly been getting ready for some time erin. and it's really fascinating. i spoke with a top aide who used the word "when," not, if in talking about hillary clinton getting to the white house. so as the sign of confidence she and her team have as they head into this third and final debate. she spent a lot of time preparing, five day, including today. where she was getting ready with

her team at the hotel here in las vegas. it is time the team feels is very well spent even though she's had criticism from donald trump for not being out on the campaign trail much. they think it is her debate performances that have helped her rise in the polls recently. and our scientific polls a cnn show hillary clinton won the first two debates. we're talking about donald trump and how he's been alleging that the election is rigged. that is something that privately was of a lot of concern to people in the clinton campaign and supporters of hillary clinton. they were worried that it would depress voter turnout. but talking to top aids on hillary clinton's plane coming here yesterday to las vegas, it seemed they were genuinely more at ease about this issue. they have been looking at some of the poll numbers and perhaps it is not as much of a concern as they thought. they have a lot of confidence going into this and some say, you know, you can't be too confident. there are still weeks to go here. >> brianna, thank you very much. and now back to you wolf.

i know you have a special guest. >> we do indeed erin. we're joined by the clinton campaign manager robbie mook. one of the subjects tonight fitness for office. fitness to be president of the united states. in the last week a number of women have come forward accusing donald trump of groping them. forcibly guessing them. does hillary clinton plan on raising that tonight. >> there's been a disturbing trend with these women but this is part of a broader issue that donald trump has. the demeaning excellents he's consistently made about women throughout he's career. all that said hillary clinton wants to plan on other issues as well. hillary had put out specific plans and she's ready to put her ideas up against donald trump's. the problem is at the last two debates he's come with no ideas. he was come with no smefks and in fact he hsaid a lot of thing that are simply not true.

so she's shad to smaend lot of time back checking. >> so we won't raise that specifically? >> you never know what's going to come up on the stage. but i think her ferris and primary mission in this debate is to talk about how she will make a difference in people's lives. the things she will do. >> their spouses have been brought into this. first question about that our understanding is that campaigns have arranged so melania trump and bill clinton don't have an awkward moment because they don't want to shake hands. can you talk that? >> we've been asking for in all the debates is that the rules aren't set up such that the trump campaign can pull some of the stunts they have tried to pull in the past. we know that trump tried to remove his family from the dayias last time and put these guests there to get attention and try to intimidate hillary. she's not going to be intimidated by the stunts and asked the rules to be set up so we can focus on the debate and discussion of the issues. >> so no bill clinton and

melania moment. talk about the debate and the issues. the way that the debate last time started was clearly on a very tense moment in that the two candidates didn't shake hands. what is her plan? is she going to reach out and shake his hand. >> again we just want to get them on the stage, get the debate started. talk about the issues. some of this is organic. some isn't pre planned out. we're hoping not to have the intrigue and stunts of last time. let's just put the issues out there. put the plans out. let them argue it out so the voters can decide what's going to make the better difference in their lives. >> without getting bagged into the fact that the wikileaks that have been published in the last week come from an illegal probably hack in some cases whatever happened, it was stolen from your campaign chair john podesta, his account. we get the whole russia thing. we get it. let me ask about the substance of some of these speeches that she's given to goldman sachs. because they do seem to suggest that she is one message publicly, talking about the need

for reform and so that wall street doesn't commit the kind of acts that led to the financial melt down of 2007, 2008. and also at the same time she is telling wall street that congress only acted for political reasons and she is taking a much more friendly tone with them. i'm sure you have prepared for this or hillary clinton has prepared for this. what is the answer going to be if chris wallace says you seem to have two very different positions on wall street whether or not the american people are watching. >> i think what matters here are what the candidate's actual records have been. the things they have done. the choices they have made. every juncture hillary has stood up for holding wall street accountable. i think she's willing to listen and work with anyone to accomplish the ends she set out with in her platform. 2007, 2008 she went to the nasdaq and said the practices being done there with mortgage lending and so on they were going to hurt the economy. they were going to crash the economy. and they did. she wasn't afraid to call them

out at the time. donald trump has never spoken out on these issues. he speaks in platitudes now on the campaign. but we didn't see him going out and calling wall street out on their behavior before. and the one last thing i say, indulge me two seconds. the one thing we've got to hear from donald trump tonight is he first of all acknowledges russia conducted this hack. we know he was briefed by the intelligence community they kid conduct it. and second of all he has to condemn it. his own running mate has condemned it. marco rubio condemned it. >> but you understand that all of those bernie sanders supporters who were very skeptical of secretary clinton, when they read these transcripts, their skepticism is reinforced. they think she is not really on our side when it comes to being as aggressive against wall street as our heros bernie sanders and bit warren would be. >> well i think it is important to keep in mind a lot of these

documents were again hacked from the chain campaign. some was research compiled from people in the campaign who try to materialize the --. there was one e-mail where she was talk about how to create more sinnynergies for green ene production in the western hemisphere and it's been construed into all kind of things it is not. and bernie sanders mazz said he has confidence in the platform he and hillary worked together on. they are both committed to enacting it when she's electroned and that's what matters right now. >> in the same transcripts of the speeches she gave t goldman sachs speeches, she also bemoans the fact there is not more convert action for example in syria. if she becomes president, would she engage in more convert action for example as part of u.s. foreign policy? >> she's said in the past early on in this she wanted to do more to aid the mod ertd factions that are a opposing assad. she has called for safe zones

and no-fly zones. so yes, she has called to do more. and in particular that we have to put more pressure on russia. because obviously the situation as it is now is not working. we cannot trust russian intentions. they continue to bomb civilians. and we need to do more. >> the last question i have for you, robbie has do with these videos that came out this week from a conservative activist. james o'keefe who will be here as a guest of donald trump. we can quibble about the editing and what there is. but without question there have been two individuals who have been either been fired or lost their jobs and one of those individuals seems to be bragging about sending in an at a tigita into trump rallies to try co-cause donald trump and his supporters to look bad and possibly bussing in people to vote, improperly vote. illegally. does the clinton campaign

condemn it? and maybe more importantly are you looking into to it see if it's true and this -- people got hurt in these protest, in these riots. are you looking into it to make sure that it doesn't happen. >> well violence is unacceptable in our political process period. and the campaign absolutely condemns any efforts to incite violence. that is part of why we're speaking out against donald trump. because we believe that he has incited violence in the past. my understanding is the individual in question was working for a completely separate organization that wasn't even affiliated with the dnc or anything else when the activity that you are speaking about took place. stepping barks, what james o'keefe is trying to do and he'll be here tonight, is to imply there are some massive fraudulent scheme going on around the country to tip the results of election. the fact of the matter is donald trump is losing. he's desperate and he wants to blame a loss on anyone other than himself. >> i get that. but there was violence at these

rallies and there is a operative on tape saying we sent people in there and even saying something like some of them had mental problems that we sent in there to try to cause fights. >> and it is unacceptable for people to do that and we will absolutely speak out against that. what i'm speaking as well is what james o'keefe is trying to do which is imply people's votes are not going to be counted and voting the fraudulent. which it is not. republican secretaries of state are the ones coming out condemning the things donald trump and james o'keefe are saying. we're going t . >> robbie. thanks very much. robbie mook is the clinton campaign manager. we'll see what happens later tonight. >> and coming up we'll talk to donald trump's running mate mike pence about the stakes for his boss tonight and right here on cnn, before clinton and trump face off ear going bring you fierce debate between two of the top supporters.

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and you hear the marching band here at the university of las vegas playing the cnn election song. we're here on the campus of unlv in nevada. counting down to the last big milestone in the presidential race before election day. this is the final debate between donald trump and hillary clinton. it is a do or die moment for trump tonight. tonight's debate will play out with early voting already under way. people are already voting across the country and only twenty days until the actual election itself. john king with an update on the state of the race and how donald trump can still get there. >> it is very interesting. you mention early going. the two elections at play tonight. hillary clinton and donald trump to influence people voting on november 8th but also people who are already voting. a number of states are already

voting, including battleground ohio. arizona and utah suddenly in play. they are already voting. by the end of this week, even more states will be voting. bring in more state, battlegrounds, including georgia. and by the end of next week, let's fill this in. py the end of next week the early voting except for in one state will be under way. already 2.4 million votes past. in the states who will decide the next president, this election is already under way and a lot of people might be going tomorrow or the kay after will watch these candidated tonight. the candidates trying to shape this process but most of all trying to shape this map. and our new cnn electoral map is lopsided now in favor of secretary clinton. we have her at 307 electoral votes. 179 more donald trump. it takes 270 to win. donald trump needs to bend the arc of this race big time. what are the biggest change sfs

the most surprising? arizona and utah. mitt romney won arizona with 72% of the vote. mitt romney won arizona last time by ten points. we've taken them from the republican column and back into the toss up column because the latest poll shows hillary clinton ahead in the state of arizona. that is bad news for donald trump heading into the final debate. these are the most surprising changes to our map. the most significant change though, this one. florida now leans democrat. it was a battleground state this morning. that is huge. donald trump cannot one the presidency. the k not get there without those 29. there is no viable, reasonable mathematical path. that is a huge change in our map here. what is left? ohio is a toss up. north carolina is a toss up. that is significant. but hillary clinton leads in north carolina at the moment and in ohio is a small trump lead or a tie. so the race is very significant as we watch this play out. donald trump is going to walk on stage knowing there is nothing he can do in the debate to change one state at a time. two states at a time.

he's down eight points national. he's down hugely when you look at the electoral map. he needs a fund change in the race and if he doesn't get'9" we go into the final 19 days. and in that regard it is advantage democrats. >> thanks for breaking it down on the map there. david axelrod, can this third and final presidential debate change things around for donald trump? >> you know what's striking for me. i think back. it's only been a little more than three weeks we first got together at the first debate. and the conversation at the debate was this race had narrowed. it was a point or so in the aggregate polls separating them. that is not the case now. hillary clinton has as large a lead or a larger lead than anybody. barack obama never had the lead that she has in polling right now. so it is hard for me to conceive that this event will change it. but i do think that it will be interesting to see what tact donald trump takes. does he continue to try and fire

up his base as he's been doing pretty much since that tape hit? or does he try and turn towards issue distinctions that might broaden out his vote. because rights now his base is not enough to win an election. >> he has been practicing, we're told in a way he really hasn't been in prior debates. >> and i think that is good for him. because he needs to practice. and if he's going to make these issues -- [ inaudible ] -- immigration [ chanting in background ] >> that easter 's tara fir ma f issues. does he continue to wage war --. does he continue do that we don't know. hillary clinton the balance of

positive to negative has to be really high. she's got to stay on that high road because she has to convince people who don't like her and there are a lot of them out there. when they go into that voting booth even though they don't like her that she has the temperament and the experience. >> any reason to believe a different donald trump is going to show up tonight? >> absolutely none. he's been the same donald trump from the starting gate. and and i'm one of those who has continually sat here with you questioning, well, which donald trump will show up tonight. there's only been one donald trump. and anderson, whatever he's doing it is not working for him. so if there is ever a time to portray a different donald trump, it would be tonight. we're in las vegas. people like to talk in gambling terms. i like to put it in prize fighting terms. we're in the latter rounds and he's behind on points and he needs a knockout to turn this around. and i don't think that bringing the president's half brother is the knockout blow. frankly, i think it is going to take her stumbling.

and she ought to go muhammad ali tonight. a rope and dope and incur whatever he's going to throw at her and run out the clock. >> is that what you believe she's been doing, essentially trying to run out the clock and lay low all this time? >> well she probably has been doing a bit of that. i suspect. i really think he has a wonderful opportunity to tie all of this together. all of this business essentially. the ruling class. the elite versus average americans out there. and do it issue by issue. and use the wikileaks, use the fbi, use the state department. these are all elites out there who in one form or another, these tapes from project veritas here. all of this, make that connection. show the american people how that works, how the system has been corrupted and make that

case. >> that would be a great message. unfortunately you don't have the messenger. and that's the great tragedy. if you are on the side of donald trump or any of these rebellions in the country, hibbellary clin should be in deep trouble tonight. you have now a bunch of things that the right person to put together and put her on the offensive and force thoer explain and defend. i think she can explain and can defend but she would have to do that. you don't have a messenger who can do that. because the reality is that even on the way to prosecute this case he is turning it into a circus. he's bringing dancing bears and weird clowns, all kind of nonsense that distracts from the basic point even before he gets to the stage. >> one thing that strikes me in the polling this week is that the advantage that donald trump had on the economy, on trade, even the advantage on immigration, all of those are gone. because he's been so involved in

this shoring up the base, that he's lost that thread that had some promise to broaden it out. >> and i want to hear you on this. i've been --. i don't think the tape of him saying the horrific things he said had to have been the end of the campaign. you had a bad tape. it wasn't president obama but jeremy wright who said things that are very offensive to people. barack obama came to the people in philadelphia and gave a speech that is one of the greatest speeches in american history. and he owned up but he also took us higher. when it was trump's turn, he took us lower. he threw bill clinton under the bus and i think he missed the opportunity. this is a forgiving country. he had the chance to ask for forgiveness and he blew it. that is the problem -- >> the difference between the two of course is that those weren't barack obama's words. that makes it tougher. but i think what happened then is after that tape you saw a mass exodus of republicans across the country.

and he decided that he was going to fire up his base to try and keep those republicans from leaving. and you know what, that actually worked in that a bunch of them came back. but also drove a whole bunch of people he needs away if he has any hope to change the dynamic. >> i think he handled the debate very well. he apologized. we saw contrition but he didn't quell on it. he circled and brought up the scandals against clinton. and tonight he has a lot of ammo. when jeff points to the fbi, it is starleting that we have an fbi 302 form where says there is a quid pro quo offered him. exact words in the fbi transcript. the e-mail a problem. multiple fbi issues were pressured to not classify this clinton e-mail. a revealing e-mail came out and 68% believe hillary clinton lied on her e-mails. tonight we have more evidence than before on an fbi document

and if donald trump can prosecute that case and move to the economy he can win the debate. >> first we heard from jim acos th acosta. and tonight trump is going to be trump. any night trump is going to be trump is good for hillary clinton. that's number one. two, i think there is something a whole lot deeper here. we talk about likability and her numbers on likability by the way are higher than his. but yes she's had an issue on like nlt. i think it goes deeper than that. there was a kwan pack poll that came out today that said 60% of the american people do not think that donald trump has a sense of decency. 55% of the american people believe that hillary clinton has a sense of decency. so that is a huge metric going into tonight that i think she can exploit with all the issues she has in front of her. >> i think that is right. i think kayleigh and jeffrey make a great case for donald trump. and if he shows up in the way

they think he should and sticks on the issues, he'll have a great night. i think the problem is, in all of the days outside of the debates, donald trump has been focused on donald trump. donald trump has been focused onseting scores. donald trump has been focused on shaming women. and that has -- that has cost him and it is hard to see him turning that around tonight. >> we got to take a quick break. we're getting ready to bring you a one on one, trump surrogate rudy giuliani versus clinton surrogate mark cuban. the debate before the debate straight ahead. you're not a cook, if you don't cook. you're not a firefighter, if you don't fight fires.

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and we're back with a special edition of "outfront" on this debate night in america. so what's really going to happen tonight? from the presidential candidates? you are going to find out right now. perhaps the best debate you will see of the entire evening. we have rudy jouleny here who of course has been advisor for donald trump here and mark cuban, supporter for hillary clinton. two very outspoken men. former mayor.

billionaire rival of donald trump i would say at this point in many ways. of the topics to come up is fitness top president. >> the last on the list. >> but it is crucial. you can't win if people don't believe you have the fitness. >> of course. >> so most recent poll, washington post abc. 62% of americans say trump doesn't have the fitness to president. 62% say hillary clinton does have the temperament to be president. why are 62% of people wrong? >> because of the fbi finding her extremely careless in the use of national security information. not only is she fit to be president i couldn't hire her as district attorney. assistant u.s. attorney. if that were on the the battlegrou background. i couldn't hire them because

they have been careless of the documents. that would be an automatic disqualifier. and look at e-mails and the way the clinton foundation was run. the pay for play operation at the state department. we're looking at somebody who if it wasn't for someone like hillary clinton like the general who's getting prosecuted for two pieces of information he confirmed. if she was anybody else she'd be under indictment right now. >> can i respond? and i say this with all due respect rudy giuliani you are an american hero and i respect everything you have done but efrlgs r everything you said about hillary clinton is absolutely incorrect. the way she handled documents was in hard copy. the only e-mails she dealt with were e-mails that came her way but that were up classified and as we know they are subject to a lot of discussion about what's actually classified. a big argument could be made about what's classified. and the same could be made for the foundation. they actually do good work. >> first i'm not wrong about the

fact that jim comey found her handling of her confidential government information to be extremely careless. >> that is not what he said. what he said was the group was. he didn't point to her specifically. he said the group was careless in how they handled the service. >> he said she was extremely careless. he also went on to point out in the 302 you will note she was asked did she noefs it was the designation she meant? she said she didn't. >> and she had said mark before believe me i know what classified is. >> if she doesn't know what the designation "c" means as secretary of state. she shouldn't be secretary of state. i know what c means. it means confidential. it is a level of classification. she said she thought it was alphabetical order. that is a flat out lie to the fbi. martha stewart went to jail -- apples and the oranges mr. giuliani. first of all the clgs clfx was

not market as classified. when i look at e-mails i may not read every single word in a document. >> -- secretary of state. ha ha ha. or president. >> you have thousands of things you are going to. you are not going read. and by the way when donald trump started talk about the little c marks he got it wrong. he got it wrong. she only e-mailed 13 people in total. that is it. so of all of those documents most were just on the list. she wasn't even sourcing -- >> if she didn't know -- i'll show you how it looks. there is a parenthesis, and then there are two more. and then it says c. >> that's not the point. >> let me finish. what that means to anyone who got a briefing by the fbi before they became secretary of state or attorney general that means confidential top secret information. she said she didn't know what it meant. she said she didn't remember her

briefing by the cia. >> i remember my briefing by the cia. how come she doesn't remember. she doesn't remember her exit interview by the cia. 39 times during that interview she couldn't remember. she either has a seriously flawed memory or she's lying. >> you are pulling things this is like out of the x-files mayor giuliani. so first of all, if a document is not marked classified, if a classified document is not marked classified than it is incorrectly marked, correct? >> no. many documents i obtained when i was -- were not marked classified. i knew they were classified. i'll give an example. it was my job working for president raeg reagan to appr e approve -- wires. i knew they were top secret by the information contained in it. i had the power to mark it top secret. which is what she should have done. and when i saw a c -- >> so -- >> wait a set. when i saw a c.

unlike her i knew it was confidential. that is a flat out lie. >> she's an oca, which means she has the opportunity to decide what is or is not classified. she made the professional decision it wasn't classified. as did the people who worked for her. somebody disagreed. disagreements are the common place. that is why there are -- >> i want to make a point. the american people have an issue with the way she handled. >> massive amounts. >> but the bottom line is when it comes to president, they have an issue with donald trump not hillary clinton. >> -- >> -- temperament? >> she got a subpoena from congress and she destroyed 33,000 -- >> why do you think he has the temperament -- [ inaudible ] -- grabbing women's genitals and all these things. >> i think he's a person who has had a great deal of success in business and i think he has the ability to get things done. and i think he has the ability

to change washington. hillary clinton is the poster child for basically getting rid of the situation in washington. the rigged system in washington of the she's a poster child for term limits. she's been there forever and she's gotten nothing different. when she was senator for new york -- 220,000 jobs. -- >> -- in business. >> name any of his products that are still successful. he cheated -- cheated -- 6,000 people from trump university. hard-working men and women. he took more than 6,000 people, he took tens of thousands of dollars from them. that's success in business? trump gains. trump cards. trump steaks. trump clothes. when somebody has to give their name and sell their name that often. that tells me they are desperate. i give him credit he's been okay in real estate. but everything else he's been a major failure at. and now he's crushing his

brands. and it makes no sense what's doing because everything he says hurts his brand even more. >> i was just at his hotel. it was fabulous. i was at doral in florida. terrific. his two golf courses in scotland are two of the best in the world. he's had great success in business. >> why all the failures. >> everyone's had failures. >> yeah but not that many. >> i had failures in elections. >> not that many. >> everybody has failures in business. >> -- 3500 times. i've been sued less than ten. >> when i was mayor i was sued 2,000 times. >> little different. -- 92,000 times. >> that's a little different. >> people doing bold things sometimes fail. >> trump steaks is bold? trump card games is -- whatever. >> he's made great success. he's got a great empire now and he represents change from washington as opposed to 30 years of the same thing. >> he lost $950 million in 195.

>> we're going to take a break and come back and talk much more about what 53% of this population needs here tonight. we'll be right back 678 my fellow americans,

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and we are back with our debate before a debate. and i promised here that we were going talk about something. 53% of the population care about. i'm going to change my tone here. a hundred percent care about it. because everybody should care about this issue. the issue of donald trump's treatment of women. i believe personally this is a very substantive issue for the campaign. when he's responded to multiple women who have come forward. some of who have said in recent days they are horrible liars and reprehensible people. and of one of the women, "believe me, she would not be my first choice." are those the words he should be using. >> let's put it in context. he apologized for the terrible language he used. he admitted it was terrible language. he shouldn't have used it on that tape with billy bush. 12 years ago. and then these women come forward. kind of orchestrated.

all at the same time. using kind of a script. groping groping, groping groping. and he believes, knows it is untrue. and he is justifiably upset about the allegations. plus very little attention has been given to the witnesses that come out that corroborate the fact that this may not be true. including the english gentlemen who observed something totally different, relative. >> gentlemen may not be the right word. >> i don't know. whatever he is. >> let me just say here because this is important. >> nobody's perfect. my witnesses used to be terrible sometimes. >> i know a woman this happened to, with donald trump. i know her story to be true. so again, i just ask you this. are you positive that he never did anything? because the reason these women -- >> i have known him -- >> anderson cooper asked the question and that man just lied -- >> -- 28 years i've never seen

him do anything remotely close to that. i have known men who are touchy feely. i know men who sometimes seem to act inappropriately in the way they touch or handle women. i don't like it but donald trump is not one of them. he's always been a gentlemen with women. my wife and i both have been with him often. my daughter and he's always treated them gentlemenly, courteously. kind of courtly. >> do you believe him or do you believe the nine women who have come forward. >> i who knees if they are all true but i know two who won't come forward. they told me back in 2000. and another woman in chicago two years ago. neither was sexual assault. in one case he walked into a massage room and hit on her where she was you should a sheet getting a massage. but for when something goes

wrong he never owns it. it is always a conspiracy think. >> that's not true. >> what's he owned? >> well the fact that the tape recorder was inappropriate. >> it was a tape. he had no choice. >> -- and the wrong thing do. >> how the you disavow a tape? >> and earlier on he apologized if he had hurt anyone in some of the comments he had made around the time of the --. >> i understand if you believe. if you changed your mind or someone came to you and told you a story you believed would it change your support for donald trump? >> if somebody came to you and said hillary clinton murdered someone and you believed it, would you change your mind about her? >> yes. >> okay. yeah. but that is a hypothetical. >> he answered the hypothetical. >> i don't believe it. >> you are not going to answer the hypothetical. >> i do not believe it. he's my friend. i know him. i've seen him with women. in fact my wife will tell you this is one of the last things he would think of donald trump,

of the bad things you might think of or the inappropriate things and i don't think many bad things of him at all. but the reality is this is the last thing you would think of. >> i just want to be clear when you talk your examples. these are people you, one was a friend. the other a friend of a friend. >> the first was a friend who was dating a friend of mine and they told me the story contemporaneously and i had forgotten about it until got back in touch with me. another one was a woman who got back in touch with me and i asked would she consider coming forward and she said no. and i left it a that. the other woman is married with kids and i don't blame her. >> you have known donald trump a long time. >> not well. >> but you know him and obviously you both are reality television stars. do you believe him? >> which part? >> you don't believe this. you believe the women. >> yes, ma'am. without question. >> of course bill clinton should have been been removed from office. >> if he was running it would be

an issue. >> on this standard bill clinton did far worse than anything donald trump. >> we can't corroborate. >> oh we can corroborate a few. >> but he's not running mr. mayor. >> -- >> but we can krobt monica lewinsky taking advantage as an intern something you would get fired for. >> where does it matter for her. >> it matters because you have to deal with these a equally and fairl fairly. and they are. >> she's not the one who assaulted anyone or allegedly assaulted anyone. >> he didn't just assault anyone. he had sex. raped one took advantage of an intern. >> he's not running. >> and it was okay for him to be in office. that was okay. >> so now we're going to question melania, mrs. trump and how she dealt with it? >> melania trump dealt with it by saying she accepts hi

explanation of it. >> not the point. we shouldn't judge her for dealing with a difficult situation anything more than we should judge hillary clinton for dealing with something her husband did twenty years ago. >> she attacked him. you can see it in the book. the bimbo squad that was set up to go after the women that bill clinton and the illegitimate children he may have had. >> the illegitimate children that were disproven. >> all right. it was disproven. or was it? >> but that is the whole thick. you taulk you don't like to dea with hypotheticals but then you go -- >> monica lewinsky would be in an insane asylum if she didn't have that dress. they were trying to drive that women ensane. luckily she had the dress to prove. >> this is the issue. it is dealing with external situations that don't directly reflect either candidate. this is a situation -- >> so let's forget both their pasts and talk about if future. who would be better for the

future? somebody who lowers taxes or raises taxes? renegotiates trade deals or. >> let's talk -- >> someone who stands up to isis and is willing to say islamic extremist terrorism and puts us on offense so we stop being on defense. we've had more islamic terrorism attacks. >> she has used -- barack obama doesn't -- >> talk about taxes first? >> i'm going to give you the final chance for rebuttal right now. >> on taxes. he's increasing spending. he wants to increase infrastructure spending, healthcare spending, everything. trying to one up her in all spends and he's going to reduce taxes. with even moore has tried to come up any potential upside is in years 9 through 10. in years 1 through 4 the deficit goes through the roof. we have a real chance of being in recession because he wants to cut taxes dramatically and increase spending kraumtically. >> not if you score properly, returning capital. >> that isn't correct. that is incorrect.

>> not -- can i finish. >> you're wrong. you are wrong. >> you say i'm wrong. >> you are wrong. >> i am not wrong. this is what kennedy did. this is what reagan did. i worked for reagan. >> kennedy cut taxes they were at like 92%. that is very different than we are now. >> i was with ronald reagan when he cut taxes and i saw her economy boom for ten years. but he's going beyond cutting taxes. he's also bringing businesses back by reducing the corporate rates from 35 to 15% which you have to admit drives companies out of the united states. a 10% repatriation rate that. will bring an enormous amount back in and he's going to renegotiate nafta. >> first of all the -- repatriate, borrow against that money. that isn't an issue. >> it isn't a small issue if you lost your job --

>> if i lost my job -- >> they don't move their factories. they move their home base. they don't move factories. >> -- all right. thank you both. this will be continued tonight at 9:00. like to have you both back. thank you. >> -- shake hands. >> they shook hands and now let's go to you woofl wolf. >> let's go the republican vice presidential nominee mike pence. thanks for joining us. >> let me ask you. obviously donald trump can rally the base. there is no question about it that. >> rally the american people. >> well no. that's not obvious. 39 to 40% of the american people are with him. does he understand that right now the polls have hillary clinton leaning significantly nationally and background states are shifting towards him and he needs to not just rally the base but add voters to the roles.

get people in the i-4 corder in florida. the denver suburbs. the philadelphia suburbs. does he understand that he needs to expand and reach out? >> well the short answer is yes. but i see it every day. i've been in ohio this week. and north carolina this week. i've seen the crowds that turn out for donald trump at these rallies. and he's really given voice to the frustrations and the aspirations of the american people like no one in my lifetime since ronald reagan. and the people that come from literally every walk of life out to these rallies give evidence of that. but i think what you are going to hear tonight is donald trump is going to be focusing not -- as a choice. my hope is that he'll have ab opportunity to talk about the choice between hillary clinton and donald trump and talk about the issues that are emanating around her years as secretary of state and the clinton foundation. but i also hope tonight as the final debate really focuses on the big issues, where we under this last seven and a half years we've weakened americas place in

the world. there are widers areas of the world literally spinning apart. the american economy is struggling. the supreme court is literally on the ballot. my hope is that tonight he'll have an opportunity to really draw into high relief the clear choice in this election on all those issues. >> superficial question but the clinton campaign has arranged it so that the families, melania trump and bill clinton are not going to intersect and shake hands. they say that is because of the stunts that the trump campaign pulled in the second debate with those guests of note. will donald trump and hillary clinton shake hands tonight? because that was an odd moment. and one they thought was slightly discordant with the collegiality that you like to stand for. >> well we'll see. probably will be a spontaneous moment, for both of them. but, you know, i know -- i know that -- frankly i know these things are fascinating to many of you in the media.

but when i'm traveling around the country the american people really are focused on a stronger and more prosperous america. my hope is tonight that beyond the small details that will be widely discussed and probably will be twitter fodder out there is that you will really have an opportunity to see the tremendous clear choice between donald trump who wants to bring -- rebuild our military, cut taxes, repeal obamacare, end the war on coal, expand access to american energy, make conservative appointments to the supreme court. and hillary clinton who literally wants to continue the same failed policies who have weakened america's places in the world stifle the economy and continue to take us farther of the left. >> your campaign told brook baldwin today that trump is mast overt the he er of the head fake and planning to expose bill and hillary clinton's sordid past. bannan's words. ar