cuomo and alisyn camerota. debate bombshell. he says he will not say if he accepts the results of the election. he actually said i'm going to keep the country in suspense. despite the threat that it poses to our democratic process. hillary clinton called comments "horrifying." and some republicans are also slamming their nominee. his own party trying to clean up his words by saying they will accept the will of the people. so, in just minutes, trump's campaign manager kellyanne conway, as well as tim kaine will join us live on all of this. of course, a lot at stake. only 19 days left until election day. let's begin with manu raju live in las vegas. give us the latest, raju? >> donald trump entered this debate needing something to turn

around a campaign that has been on the rocks since last month. first debate performance he has struggled and his numbers have tanked since then. pretty strong performance talking about issues that conservatives frankly liked. and then hillary clinton got under his skin on the issue of russia and then he made this remark that everyone is talking about this morning. donald trump refusing to say he will accept the election results. >> i will look at it at the time. i'm not looking at anything now. i'll look at it at the time. >> are you saying you're not prepared -- >> i will tell you at the time. i will keep you in suspense. >> well, chris, let me respond to that because that's horrifying. every time donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he claims whatever it is is rigged against him. >> reporter: trump suggesting hillary clinton's e-mail use is disqualifying. >> she shouldn't be allowed to run. it's -- she's guilty of a very, very serious crime.

>> reporter: clinton changing the subject of her wall street speeches to russia. and pressuring the gop nominee to condemn russia for hacking and stealing democratic records. trump taking the bait. will donald trump admit and condemn that the russians are doing this and make it clear that he will not have the help of putin in this election. that he rejects russian espionage against americans, which he actually encouraged in the past. >> i don't know putin. he said nice thing about me. if we got along well, that would be good. if russia and the united states got along well and went after isis that would be good. he has no respect for her. he has no respect for our president. and i'll tell you what, we are in very serious trouble. from everything i see has no respect for this person. >> well, that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president. >> no puppet. >> you condemn their

interference? >> of course i condemn. >> reporter: throughout the night trump repeatedly interrupting her and attacking her. >> a very clear fact -- >> wrong. excuse me, my turn. such a nasty woman. >> reporter: trump did have a strong start sparring with clinton on issues that play well with conservatives, like abortion. >> based on what she's saying and based on where she's going and where she's been, you can thak the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month. on the final day and that's not acceptable. >> using that kind of scare rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate. you should meet with some of the women that i've met with. women i've known over the course of my life. is one of the worst possible choices that any woman and her family has to make. i do not believe the government should be making it. >> reporter: trump even going as far as claiming his pro-life supreme court picks would automatically overturn roe v.

wade, something he can't guarantee. later clinton hitting back on immigration. wh >> when it comes to the wall that donald talks about building. he went to mexico and had a meeting with the mexican president. didn't even raise it, he choked. >> first of all, i had a nice meeting with the president of mexico. very nice man. >> reporter: trump raising eyebrows to this question of deporting undocumented immigran immigrants. >> we'll make a determination to the rest, but we have some bad hombres here and we'll get them out. >> reporter: once again, rejecting the growing number of accusations from several women of making unwanted advances. >> because their stories are all totally false. i have to say that. i didn't even apologize to my wife who is sitting right here because i didn't do anything. i didn't know any of these women. i didn't see these women. these women, the woman on the plane, the woman -- i think they want either fame or her campaign did it. and i think it's her campaign.

>> donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger. he goes after their dignity, their self-worth and i don't think there is a woman anywhere who doesn't know what that feels like. so, we now know what donald thinks and what he says and how he acts towards women. that's who donald is. >> now, on trump's comments that he may not accept the election results. the republicans close to his campaign trying to do damage control. the rnc chairman saying, of course, donald trump will accept the election results but other critics hitting donald trump. lindsey graham putting out a statement saying trump is doing the party and country a great disservice by suggesting that the outcome of this election is rigged. but one person, two people we have not heard from yet, alisyn, mitch mcconnell and house speaker paul ryan. we reached out to their offices and no comment yet on donald trump's remarks about possibly not accepting the election results. >> let us know when you get

those responses. we'd love to hear those. thank you very much. what do viewers think of last night's debate. we have cnn scientific poll to show you. debate watchers 52% of them thought hillary clinton won. that makes it a clean sweep of all three presidential debates. 39% of the viewers thought trump had a better night. more than half of those polled said the debate will not change their mind. among those who did feel swayed, trump and clinton essentially split. there you see 23 to 22%. the debate watchers in our poll do skew slightly for the democrats, keep that in mind. but they overwhelmingly said she won. >> pence won the poll. so, let's discuss with cnn senior political analyst and senior editor of "the atlantic" ron brownstein, david gregory and jackie kucinich and "washington bu buffo chief.

monitoring opportunities for donald trump to do what he has to do in your opinion, expand the base. with just this one statement did he pop that balloon? >> yeah. look, i think that the big moment in these debates was the first debate. that was his chance to reverse the perception that it built up 60% of the country saying he's not qualified. didn't have the judgment he didn't do in the first debate which daronald reagan did in th first debate. the first half of the debate, as we discussed, he was pretty effective in making the republican case for change and making the conservative argument on a whole series of issues from national security to abortion. but when you geet the poit to t that you're not willing to accept the results of the election. deepen the doubts among those voters who question whether you have the temperament and judgment to succeed as president. and those voters, at the moment, are about 60% of the electorate. in the poll last night, chris, roughly 60%, you know, they came out of the debate convinced that

hillary clinton was better prepared to be president. that is the wall facing donald trump and he put another very big brick on top of it last night. >> so, yesterday, his donald trump's top surrogates. his daughter, his vp nominee tried to over the course of 24 hours explain how, what donald trump will do if the outcome does not go his way. here they are. >> i've said before, we'll certainly accept the outcome of this election. >> do you want mr. trump to make that clear? >> in the 20 days, well, he said it in the first debate. >> then he took it back. >> well, he said it in the first debate. >> of course, i think my father will always do the right thing. he will either win or won't win and he will accept the outcome either. >> donald trump will accept the results of the election because he is going to win the election. but i actually think i'll be saying to him, congratulations, mr. president. i'll see you there in two weeks.

>> david, they're in a tough position because they're saying something quite different than what the candidate is saying. >> i mean, it's just striking. from the vice presidential nominee to the campaign manager having to try to clean up what the candidate says. essentially saying, oh, don't listen to him. he just wants to be president of the united states. don't listen to what he's saying. this is a candidate who talks about making america great, again. and he wants to undermine a time worn tradition of honoring our results of our election. it's the kind of thing that the very voters he needs, swing voters, college educated voters look at him and say, sorry, not temperamentally fit and not qualified to be president of the united states. that's what hurt him all along. >> let's test what has emerged as the best defense for this statement. al gore did the same thing. after florida was too close, he said, i'm not accepting the outcome yet and it took some, what, 38 days until he did. is that a fair example? >> well, it was after the

election, first of all, that al gore said that. he didn't spend weeks saying that it was going to be a rigged election beforehand. >> trump is saying, i'll keep you in suspense. >> there was a recount and george clinton lost the popular vote. other things at play here. >> but is it okay for him to say it in anticipation of an event like that? >> he can say whatever he wants. >> feel free, ron, to weigh in whenever you want. >> trump said we saw what happened with gore and why is it wrong for me to say, i have to wait and see what happens. what if we have another florida. does that clean it up? >> i spent 45 days in tallahassee in 2000 and there was a recount going on. that was the issue. the question was, who had won florida. that's what they were contesting through the courts and through the recount process. what donald trump was saying last night was a broader kind of indictment. he was saying the election itself might be rigged and stolen from me. that there are millions of kind

of false votes potentially being cast. it was a very different -- that was a specific dispute over who had actually won florida. this was kind of a preemptive kind of questioning. as we said before, what does that mean for all the republicans who are going to get elected in november? are all those elections tainted and all those house members and senate members. how can it be one election is stolen and not all of those, many of which republicans are going to win. >> and the republican governors -- >> i think what's important as you go back to 2000, as ron said, a recount going on. the question ultimately was, were all the votes being counted? not whether there was corruption or rigging going on at the precinct level. in fact, had the supreme court not stopped that counting, perhaps it would have, indeed, shown that george w. bush had won the total number of votes in florida. an intervention in the process. but simply a question of counting, not corruption. again, this is 20 days before

the election that he's saying i don't know if i'll accept the results. al gore was in a different position and even after the supreme court upon his opponent he stepped aside. >> that shouldn't be held up of a model of what we think might happen. it was chaos. laura engram tweeted last night when donald trump refused to say if he would accept the outcome. she tweeted this, he should accept the results of the election unless we're in a recount, again. >> it's not a close call. this was a presidential candidate, the head of the republican party suggesting that putin has outsmarted all of our american leadership. suggesting that he and other dictators around the world. meaning he, trump, must sit around and laugh at how stupid america's leaders are and saying he won't accept the results. suggested she should be imprisoned if he wins the election. this is the talk of a tyrant. he refused to obama as obama's

regime. when you spend so much time, that's how you talk. that is dangerous. >> so, what they're saying is unless the outcome is known, certified and verified, donald trump will not accept the outcome of the election. >> kellyanne conway just said that. >> is that stating the obvious or creating space and spin to try to help with him being, you know, disavowing our democracy last night. >> what did she say? >> unless the results are certified and verified, he will not concede the race. >> sounds like she's trying to create a 2000 perception. >> does it work? >> no, i don't think it works. there's no reason to believe that we're headed in that direction. that's also different. in other words, if a recount is triggered, he's not going to concede like al gore. that's not where he's been leading us to. >> why talk about kellyanne when we can have kellyanne. let's get it right from her

directly. good morning, my friend. how are you? >> good morning, hi, chris. >> i understand what you've been saying this morning that unless the vote count is certified and verified, donald trump is not going to accept the outcome of the election. to many ears, that sounds like a disavavowal of democracy. what do you say? >> no. i mean, if anybody has added to american democracy in the last year and a half it's donald trump. he has gotten people who are not quite interested in participating out to his rallies and out to the polls in the primaries and energized to vote for him this time. people always tell pollsters, you know the stats. that 75% of the americans want to take the country in a new deand different direction and who represents that better as somebody outside who is a successful businessman. you can't call hillary clinton a changemaker. she's been there for decades. what donald trump has said over time, if you take all the

statements together, chris. he has said that he will respect the results of the election, but everybody, including al gore in 2000, waits to see what those election results are. you wait to see what the results are, if they're verified and certified. al gore himself called to concede that race in 2000. he called george w. bush and congratulated him for being the victor and called back and retracted. we went on for six weeks. >> we all do know what happened in florida and this is different. donald trump is saying right now with weeks to go, i think it could be rigged against me. so, i'm not going to say i will respect it. that's not what happened in 2000, as we both know very well. there was an auto recount triggered. there was a legitimate issue as to who had won the state in a context where we knew at the time that the popular vote was against then governor george bush. and it was a state that was run by the gop at the governor and

secretary of state level. it was george bush who wound up having to appeal to the supreme court to decide the matter. and when they did, that's when al gore took the step of conceding the race. this is not an analogy to that. this is donald trump saying, if i don't like the outcome -- you can disagree, except you said something different. pence said something different. his daughter said something different than what he said last night. and it sounds not just like whining, but disavowing the democratic process if it doesn't suit donald trump's personal preference. is that right? >> first of all, two people on the stage last night and only was whining and it wasn't dauond trump. if you had al gore in this seat 16 years ago and you asked him the same question. vice president gore, if you win the popular vote and you're losing florida by less than 600 votes, decisive of the election, will you concede the election? >> it's not the situation,

though. he has no reason to believe that it's rigged. he keeps saying this. look, this is what i think happened and you can shoot it down -- >> 96% of the donations, chris, 96% of the donations from journalists went to hillary clinton. that's an unbelievable statistic for working journalists. i mean, that's a partisan expression of support through your -- >> i don't even know who is allowed to give money. certainly, we're not allowed to give it and this is a man who was made by the media, kellyanne. i have been getting crushed by his supporters for well over a year because we consistentl lly tested him on this show. i want to get back to the situation. he keeps saying the system is rigged. he keeps using that. only you have differed with it yourself. last night he doubled down on the proposition, which is what

he often does. this time, it undermined the fundamental process of our democracy and why can't you expose that to the light of reason? why can't you say it was too far? >> respectfully, can i speak today? >> please, please. i don't want you to condemn the media as an answer to this question. >> i didn't condemn the media. i gave you a statistic. 96%. that's super close to 100%. that's a really high number of journalists who gave their money to hillary clinton's campaign over donald trump. we know from these -- if you just turn on a tv or read the print every day, you know the guy can't get a fair shake. all that aside, if you want to talk about who has disrupted and disrespected the underlying principles on american democracy, let's ask the lady who was secretary of state that they were using a concierge and the department of justice, the state department. outrageous to think this person who said we went from dead broke

to billionaire selling access to the government. undermining our democratic principles. you guys don't want to talk about that. so much talked about last night. what about donald trump challenging hillary clinton and her just ignoring him. challenging her to give back the clinton foundation money that has been taken from countries that disrespect women that as donald trump stated, do you think today that would happen? do you think anybody at cnn will ask people at the clinton foundation -- >> but, kellyanne, the suggestion that what we should cover is something that we have known and covered for weeks and months should take supremacy over a man who is about to be president of the united states, if he wins an election saying i won't accept it. i won't accept it if i don't win. >> chris, he did not say that. chris, he did not -- excuse me, he did not say i will not accept it if i don't win. he said, let's see what happens.

>> all these different gop lawmakers came forward and said, that was wrong. laura engram said he has to say that he'll accept it unless there is another florida. >> and i've said it as his campaign manager and running mate, we all said the same thing. absent, widespread fraud or irregularitie irregularities. >> he didn't say it. he he said i won't tell you until then. look, if there's a huge irr irregularity, like florida, wewea -- >> he was supposed to give 10 or 12 different hypotheticals. >> he was supposed to say i accept the outcome of the election because we want a peaceful transformation peace ful power. isn't that a fair statement? >> chris, i think you're just asking me the same question over

one long segment. so, i'm sure if i turn on cnn all day that's basically what i'll see. i think the voters learned a lot in 90 minutes last night. more importantly, he's answered it. hone honestly, if you're going to let hillary clinton lie her way through last night's debate and talk about one issue through a 90-minute debate, i think the voters will decide for themselves. they saw a real choice last night. she was on her heels her position on abortion. every pro-choicer right now doesn't support abortion in late term the way that she does. she was on her heels in the second amendment. she was held to account for her position with the hot spots all over the globe. i mean, if you've been there dprek aids, yfor decades you know the problems that we have. who has been there for decades and donald trump is right, all talk, no action. people have a real choice here. change or more of the same. >> all right, kellyanne, i'd

love to keep talking to you, but i know you have a lot of media appearances. thank you for being with us this morning. now to the other side. joining us democratic vice presidential nominee senator tim kaine. good morning, senator. >> hey, alisyn, good to be with you. >> what did you think last night when you heard donald trump say he was not prepared to say whether or not he would concede the race. he would decide then if he were to lose. >> well it was a shocker. there were other shockers, but that was the biggest one. i worked as a missionary in honduras 35 years ago and it was a military dictatorship. and i learned from that experience that the acceptance of the outcome of an election and the peaceful transfer of power is a pillar of our nation's democracy. and after an insult-driven campaign where donald has insulted virtually everybody now he is trying to pull the central pillar down and i can't imagine why he would do that except for

the reason that hillary pointed out. if he thinks things are going against him and he's going to lose, he's going to claim that it was rigged against him. he tried to argue last night that the emmy award was wrong. he can't take responsibility and that's an important trait. >> are you and hillary clinton and your teams talking about the possible scenario of what happens on november 9th if, hypothetically, you and hillary clinton were to win, donald trump were to lose, but he doesn't concede, then what? >> well, that is tough. that's very tough. now, whether or not he concedes is probably irrelevant. the question is, is the mandate clear on the 8th of november? i'm in north carolina today. early voting starts today. we are doing everything we can to encourage everybody to participate so that the mandate will be very clear. donald is still going to whine if he loses, but if the mandate is clear, i don't think many people will follow him. and, you know, it's just this

inability to accept responsibility is at the core of this. but, that trait of our democracy is so critical. >> because we heard at some of his rallies lately from his supporters they feel as if they were disenfranchised and it doesn't go their way, they say they may take maltetters into tr own hands. i wondfer you guys behind the scenes are talking about a possible scenario where there is violence or protests or things like that. >> we do have a concern. but we also have confidence in the american public. i think we're going to sprint through the tape. we're going to get everybody to participate because it's easy to participate and hopefully have a mandate and we're confident in the american public that they will accept the outcome of this election just as they have in elections time after time after time in this country. it is a pillar of our country. it's not just a pillar because, you know, presidents follow the

tradition. also a pillar because the electorate follows the tradition and we have no reason to believe that when the dust settles on november 9th they will not follow what we have done in every preceding presidential election. >> senator, let's fact check some of hillary clinton's claims last night. she talked about the national debt. let me play that moment for you and our viewers. >> right. >> if you look at the debt, which is the issue you asked about, chris. i pay for everything i'm proposing. i do not add a penny to the national debt. i take that very seriously because i do think it is one of the issues we've got to come to grips with. >> okay. so, the nonpartisan committee for a responsible budget rates that as false. her plan would increase the national debt by $200 billion over a decade. what is your response. >> that group does good work and

that's the conclusion they reach. as you know, these are not always matters of just complete mathematical certainty. we have a plan on the table and we have revenue sources to pay for all our proposals. i will say about that organization that they make a particular conclusion about the clinton plan. they also make conclusion about the trump plan that the trump plan would increase the national debt, not by hundreds of billions of dollars, but by 5 trillion blowing a massive hole in the debt. >> well, you're right about that. they go on to say, just so everyone knows. they estimate that her plan would increase spending in areas such as infrasfrkture, more financial aid for college students, as we heard, early childhood education, that's part of her plan. increase the national debt by $200 billion over ten years. they say that donald trump's would add $5.3 trillion over ten years. yes, his is more. but how can voters believe her plan where she says it wouldn't increase by a penny when this

outfit says, no, that's wrong. it's actually $200 billion. >> well, i'll just say this. the outfit concludes that the trump plan would increase debt 20 times the hillary clinton plan. but just because this group says that, they're not the umpire. they're not like calling balls and strikes and everybody agrees that they're right. they're doing their own estimate. we have worked very hard on a plan and tried to put revenue sources on the table. hilla hilla hillaryclinton.com to pay for all that we would make and they look at the plans a little differently than we do. in terms of how they compare the plans, the comparison is stark that our plan is much more fiscally responsible with the trump plan with respect to the debt. >> senator tim kaine, thank you for being on "new day." we appreciate talking to you. >> absolutely. we just heard from both

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all right. so, we just spoke with donald trump's campaign manager kellyanne conway and tim kaine about trump's refusal to say whether he would accept the election results, as well as other issues. let's discuss it with our panel. david gregory, what did you hear from both of these people? >> i thought something important from senator kaine, early voting begins in south carolina today. hillary clinton is in a commanding position to win on november 8 and she has a bigger battle. how does she govern and make sure she is seen as legitimate. part of what senator kaine is saying, we don't want this to be a close contest where donald trump could seek to invalidate the results.

we want to win resoundingly. i think that's what she's after here and in a position to expand the map. when kellyanne conway talks about al gore and 2000, she has a candidate who are saying things that are dangerous. it's not what she believes and not what the vice presidential candidate believes. >> ron, full disclosure. kellyanne, has been a friend of mine for 25 years and i have a lot of respect for her. she was up against it this morning. this idea of analogizing what trump said last night to what happened in florida in 2000 just rationally doesn't work and the idea that the focusing on this to the absence of anything else, which, by the way, we're not doing, but ignoring the significance of this also doesn't work. but what is your take? >> yeah, look, i mean, if there was a photo finish nation aal

election no one would dispute donald trump's right to pursue every legal means to ensure that every vote is counted. that's not what he is saying. what he is saying, in fact, makes that less likely to ever happen. he is preemptively questioning whether there would be voter fraud or rigging of the results on a massive level. by the way, with republicans controlling most statement governments requiring some level of republican kind of collusion in all of this and what all of this does, chris, is reinforces that 64% of the electorate that question whether he has the temperament to be president. one poll since the second debate that had him past 40% of the vote. that puts you on track of a loss of 9 million and 12 million votes. so, this is the kind of, the strange thing about all of this is that it makes it more likely that he loses so decisively that questions of kind of, you know, the last votes being counted become more and more obscure and

irrelevant. >> how could he give an answer today? we don't know what will happen. look what happened in 2000 al gore didn't concede because that strange scenario. and then you heard tim kaine being possibly overly optimistic saying, i don't think that's going to happen. we're not planning for any sort of scenario like that. who do you think is -- whose message do you think is more effective today? >> yeah, you know. i think kellyanne conway and the trump surrogates are very focussed onful. what happened in 2000 with al gore is irrelevant. it's not the same thing. i think tim kaine in saying that some ways it's irrelevant and whether donald trump concedes is on to something. certainly if it's a blow out election if it looks on pace to be that. in some ways it seems that donald trump is setting up a scenario where if he loses on election day, everyone is sort

of waiting with bated breath to see what he does and whether or not he concedes. if he loses, he will be a man without a party, he barely has a party right now. he will have no standing army. he will not go wack back to a governor's mansion and he will essentially go back to trump tower and have a twitter account. this idea somehow what donald trump says on this election, particularly if it's a blow out, just, you know, in somehow can undermine american democracy, i think is probably a little bit overblown. and i also think, what we know about donald trump, even if he conceded on election night, it would be very likely a couple days later he would shift positions, right? because that's who he is. >> quick point on the story of these debates. donald trump has been on to real strengths. he is the change agent. he has a captive audience on that message of transformative change and she is part of the

establishment. he had good critiques what lessons did she learn from the iraq war and he had area wheres he's making good attacks against her and is channeling kind of conservative positions that could help expand his base. but he overrides that with these temperamental breakdowns. whether it's personal, being nasty or in this case undermining democracy. and this is really the overarching theme of these debates. >> let's look at a snapshot of where the electoral map is. look, obviously, whatever happened last night is not yet calculated in the polls and how people are leaning. but this is where we are today and today cnn gives hillary clinton 307 in terms of the electoral votes and arizona is in play. if you can see the map there. florida is leaning democratic. donald trump comes up with 179. ron, your thoughts. >> for all the unprecedented nature of this campaign, an

enormous amount of stability in the way the electorate is dividing going back to conversations we had on this show a year ago. donald trump is in position to do extremely well white voters without a college education, that plays out geographically in places like ohio where he was outperforming mitt romney and a strong position to compete for them. on the other hand, facing historic deficits and underperforming every republican nominee literally ever in the history of polling among college educated white voters, especially women, but also men. those two blocks are a significant force. places like virginia and colorado that are now off the board. north carolina and florida who is really pushing and arizona. they have become very difficult for him. >> you know, ron, remind me later in the show one of the things that goes into all the prognostications is assumptions

about turnout and there is a case to be made that they're assuming a bigger turnout than we have a reason to believe. >> panel, thank you very much. hillary clinton won the debate in cnn scientific poll. she won all three according to the poll. but did she do everything she needed to do, especially about these lingering controversies? we have clinton supporter new york mayor bill de blasio making the case for clinton, next. prepare for challenges specific to your business by working with trusted advisors who help turn obstacles into opportunities. experience the power of being understood. rsm. audit, tax and consulting for the middle market.

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post-election battle? donald trump last night refusing to say whether he would concede if he were to lose on november 8th. joining us now new york city mayor bill de blasio. he is a clinton supporter. thank you for being here. i can't tell you what i would do if the election showed me losing because maybe i wouldn't conc e concede. maybe i wouldn't accept the outcome. >> you know, i think this is the big con. i think this is donald trump at his conartist best he has an excuse for his defeat. he is going to lose because the american people rejected his ideas. he's run a divisive campaign and has not spoken to how he changed this country for the better and people are going to reject it. he sets up this fantasy to justify why he lost. but it's dangerous. you hear a lot of republicans, by the way. i was very impressed last night that people like lindsey graham came out and said this is unacceptable, undemocratic because the words you hear from donald trump is what you expect from a third world dictator.

what you expect from a military leader, not from an american presidential candidate. >> look, we also heard some of the similar words from your predecessor rudy giuliani because donald trump brought up voter fraud and the election is rigged he might not be able to accept the results. rudy giuliani said i saw it in my own campaign. there were bus loads of people coming in that were not eligible to vote. there were 100,000 ilegitimate votes. what do you think of that in new york city? >> rudy giuliani is increasingly delusional and, secondly, so many studies of voter dynamics around the country that there is no voter fraud in this country at this point. suggesting any kind of voter fraud happens in cities and happens in communities of color. it's just a classic tool, a tactic to try to undermine the

democratic process. look, last night trump even said the bad hombres constant racial appeals. constant attempts to undermine people's faith in this country. >> we have that moment. let's play it for people just waking up and missed it. listen to this. >> one of my first acts is to get all the drug lords, all of the bad ones. we have some bad, bad people in this country that have to go out. we are going to get them out. we're going to secure the border and once the border is secured at a later date, we'll make a determination as to the rest. but we have some bad hombres here and we're going to get them out. >> why do you think that was a racist statement? >> his entire campaign has been under lied by racist attitudes and racist statements. obviously, what he originally said about keeping mexicans out of the country and it goes on and on and on. there he is sending a message, it's not even a coded message. an overt message that somehow mexican americans have something wrong with them. that's what he does over and

over again. and, again, look at how he has manipulated this electoral process. he has taken people legitimate economic frustration and tried to make them not believe in the democratic process. he tried to turn white america against people of color. we've seen this before. this is what fascists do. they take all those elements and try to undermine the democratic process. and you know what, the people are about to reject it on november 8th and then donald trump will say the election was stolen and make himself relevant in a new way. i think he's embarrassing himself and undermining our democracy. >> our pundits say that millry clinton missed some opportunities or wasn't as clear as she should be. goldman sachs some of her speeches for goldman sachs were stolen and then leaked by wikileaks. in it she alludes to her desire some day for open borders. that made lots of people, lots of trump supporters say, whoa. he's been right.

she wants open borders and he's tough on immigration. let's listen to her explanation and you can tell me if it went far enough. listen to this. >> if you went on to read the rest of the sentence, i was talking about energy. you know, we trade more energy with our neighbors than we trade with the rest of the world combined. and i do want us to have an electi electi electric grid, an energy system that crosses borders. i think that would be a great benefit to us. but you are very clearly quoting from wikileaks and what is really important about wikileaks is that the russian government has engaged in espionage against americans. >> so, she pivoted away from the question about her goldman sachs to russia. do you think she quelled the fear of voters who think, hey, there was something in there and maybe you're not being totally honest about your feelings of open borders. >> i think she had more from her own platform and her platform is very extraordinary and very

clear. and it goes right at this question. her platform says, we are not going to accept trade deals that undermine the american worker and the american people. we're going to tax the wealthy more so we can actually address the -- >> what about immigration? what about the question of immigration and whether or not she would be tough on illegal immigration? >> her platforms calls for comprehensive illegal immigration reform and combined with proper controls at the border. here's the irony of all this, alisyn, 12 million people in this country that are here and undocumented. this whole campaign has not gotten to the fact that those folks just aren't going anywhere. they are part of america now. let's make sense of it. hilla hillary's platform is very clear. trump has with the border, the wall and the deportations, he's created another fantasy that you're going to take 12 million people out of this country. >> we heard it was a rocking time last night. there was a wild watch party. >> wild. >> and we have some video of it.

raise the roof. >> it was crazy. we had a bunch of new york city public high school students all and, alisyn, listen, i think they saw some things in that ded debate that could have been discouraging to them. my message and my wife's message to these young people. this is your country. do not be discouraged by some of what you see. be better than it. take charge of our democracy because we're going to need you. >> mayor de blasio, thank you for being here. let's get over to chris. hillary clinton is leading in the polls among women. what did last night mean to that particular contest? we'll break it down, next.

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until trump's disavowal of democracy, there had been some real deep diving last night on different issues. especially women's issues. in a way that we haven't heard it to date in this race. the question is, how did the candidates do on this issue? was there any distance made? let's discuss. scottee nell hughes is with us. clinton supporter for bernie sanders campaign. you had a real deep discussion on why they feel what they feel not just about the supreme court but its extension to roe v. wade. what did you make of hillary clinton's position there? >> well, i thought hillary clinton took the position of standing up for the rights of

women and advocating that it is extremely important that we you know don't allow the government to police women's bodies, that an abortion is a very personal decision that a woman has to make and we need to preserve that, you know, personal decision to be between that woman and you know her family god and her doctor. i thought it was interesting, though, that donald trump specifically spoke about that he would elect justices that would or he would appoint justices that would make sure roe v. wade was overturned and that was something that i had never heard before but i was excited to have a substantive conversation about the reproductive rights of women because that is something we haven't seen in this election. >> donald trump used some pretty graphic certainly striking language about abortion, and he said something that that many people just say is not true. that he was basically saying it you know a woman can demand an abortion one day before her due date you know at nine months and it's just so horrific. not true. there are -- >> some would argue that's called birth to take a baby out

at that last stage it's viable. >> there are also laws in this country that set 18 weeks in some states, 20 weeks in some states, 22 weeks as the limit. what was he what was the point he was trying to make last night? >> well, let me first echo simone's statement that i agree, we finally had a substantive debate about where the candidates stood on this issue. now, for those of us in the pro-life movement it doesn't matter whether it's one day or all the way up to you know a few weeks before birth, having an abortion is murder to us. so the killing of a baby, partial birth abortion, which hillary clinton did support, whether like i said, even if it's 10, 20 weeks, 20 weeks into their due date, it is just murder in our viewpoint and mr. trump took a hard stance yesterday saying that he would fight hard to make sure that the future generation of women would have a chance to live. so i think this is a very good, clear, definition between the two. but it is a fact, hillary clinton does support partial birth abortions at different stages, and that is just something that us in the pro-life movement in no way can support.

>> but isn't it, scottie, a reflection of what the law is? roe v. wade is a complex decision, it's not as simple as we often make it but their decision the -- the -- the essence of it is you have to take the women's -- the woman's choice and the woman's health into consideration no matter what stage it is that the state is going to decide to regulate. do you believe that a woman doesn't have a right to decide what happens to their own body? >> well, outside of the case of rape or incest or obviously the woman's life is in -- that still makes you pro-life if her life is at risk. hillary clinton yesterday tried to muddy the water saying a woman's life might be at risk, a mother's life might be at risk. that's still pro-life. we're not talking about those -- those situations. that's a different -- we're talking about women who have started to use this as a version of birth control who have had multiple abortions who sit there and decide they find out a genetic test that their child might have some sort of mental handicap and decide they just don't think they can handle that

type of child and that is what makes them decide to have an abortion. those issues right there, yes, you know, i'm sorry, that child does have a right to live and i'm speaking on behalf of them. not necessarily the mother that chooses that she wouldn't want to raise them. >> i think the only person that tried to muddy the waters last night in speaking about abortion was donald trump. he used very graphic, and extreme language to describe what is not happening in terms of just yanking basically a full-born baby out of a woman's uterus. that is not what happens. you know, an abortion is a very personal decision. that a person has to make. and to stand on the stage last night and make it seem as though it's just something flippant, something that people elect to do on a regular basis. not at all. look you know, if republicans in congress weren't blocking planned parenthood at every single angle, an organization that provides medical care, not just abortions, but medical care, health care, to women and men across this country, you know, maybe, maybe we could be

having a better substantive conversation about this. i think we have to look at this holistically, donald trump is the only person who tried to muddy the waters. he took a very extreme stance. a very extreme conservative stance. roe v. wade is overall republicans don't necessarily support overturning roe v. wade if you look at the polling and the data. so he was speaking to the trump base last night. wasn't speaking to the broad base of the republican party and definitely wasn't trying to win over any moderate democrats and hillary clinton stood up for the rights of women. she stood with planned parenthood and i was happy to see that. >> scottie, we got to get going. >> hold on, can i real quick let me disagree with her on that point. the republican base is pro-life. they do not support planned parenthood and i'm sorry the killing of a baby like what we saw is graphic. and i think americans need to know the truth about what abortion is. when you do have babies who come caught that you can actually tell that they are a life form. those are the pro-life women who have studied what abortions do and children who come out still alive and are murdered yes those

stories need to be told i think a little bit more and maybe we would have women have more of a appreciation for life before they ended it. >> the majority of voters support keeping abortion legal, so i'm glad we're going over all this. thank you very much. >> all right there's a lot to get to, again, it was the last debate and it may be the one that has the most impact. we're going to tell you why, let's get to it. >> donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger >> these women want either fame or her campaign did it. i think it's her campaign. >> when it comes to the wall he choked. >> we have some bad some brings here. >> you'd rather have a puppet. >> this say pattern of divisiveness dangerous vision of our country. >> would you make the statement that you would absolutely accept the result of this election? >> i will tell you at the time. i'll keep you in suspense. >> that's horrifying.

>> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> we want to welcome our viewers in the u.s. and around the world. you're watching "new day." donald trump refusing to say whether he would accept the election result if he were to lose. he chose instead to say he was going to keep the country in suspense. those comment yoefrs shadowing much of the final debate and casting a shadow over america's democratic process. >> trump's decision draws immediate rebuke not just from hillary clinton but republicans. his own party was trying to clean up his words very quickly by saying of course they will accept the will of the people. but that is not what donald trump said last night. 19 days until the election. let's begin our coverage with manu raju live in vegas. i'm sure your fingers started going on the key board as soon as trump said i'll keep you in suspense.