and good evening. thanks for joining us tonight. perhaps the best evidence yet from what makes donald trump tick, comes interest donald trump himself. >> if you lose a lotd. nobody is going to follow you, because you're looked at as a loser. winning is a very important thing and most important aspect of leadership is winning. if you have a record of winning, people are going to follow you. >> that's just a small sample.

more than five hours of interviews that biographer with donald trump and his family. hear reveal what drives him to win and why losing may be uniquely hard to bear. but first the drive to win the state he can't afford to lose. florida. >> reporter: donald trump stepped off the plane in florida to big cheers having landed what could be a potent issue for the last two weeks of the campaign. >> americans going to experience another massive double digit height. its going to be 60, 70, 80, 90%. you're going to have to brush up

on. >> reporter: seizing on newest on obamacare, see the premiums go you have next year. >> blowing up. >> reporter: show how the spike will affect working americans introduced employees from hotel in florida. >> all my employees are vag a hard time with obamacare. look at what they're going through with health care is horrible because of obamacare. >> reporter: the problem is those workers don't receive insurance through obamacare but through trump. >> 99% of our employees are insured through the hotel. our insurance and maybe there's a few that are insured through obamacare but very few because we supply it. >> reporter: still the obamacare struggles come at difficult time for republicans.

>> maggie hassan can't stand up to her party. supports the broken health care law. >> reporter: trailing in polls, trump is eager for a campaign game changer, conceding he has to win florida or else. >> i think it's must-win and think we're wiping it big. >> and slammed allegations from women accusing him of sexual assault. i did nothing, made-up tails. >> reporter: offering himself as fighter for everyday americans he says are misled by dishonest news media. >> just about the crookedest part of the establishment is these people back with the phony cameras. >> image of brawler that trump talked up in interview two years ago. >> i love to fight. >> physical fights? >> all kinds. >> arguments?

>> any kind of fight. i loved it. including physical. >> reporter: back at golf course in florida asked a few employees to sing his praises that tough talking boss does look out for ordinary americans. >> better say good or i'll fire you. who is that guy? >> reporter: scheduled to attend the ribbon cutting of new hotel. was at that helmet when acknowledged obama is american citizen. >> hillary clinton is hoping donald trump soon be returning to hotel business and she'll be making history as first women president. colin powell's vote, spent the day trying to keep a staunchly democratic county blue. >> reporter: hillary clinton in florida tonight. >> i feel good but not taking

anything for granted. i'm going to work as hard as i can between now and the close of the election. >> reporter: she's firing up democrats in the biggest battleground, 29 electoral votes she believes will block trump's path. >> americans are coming together at very moment that trump is making unprecedented attack on our democracy. >> reporter: hitting democratic strongholds to bank votes through early voting. one way it stave off election p pitfalls. >> before there was something called obamacare there was something called hillary care. >> reporter: could be a liability. radio interview said millions of americans have health care under the law but acknowledged major shortcomings. >> costs gone up too much.

going to tackle that. >> reporter: former president bill clinton under fire for pointing out flaws. >> reporter: now telling voters should be fixed not repealed. >> there's something wrong but don't want to choose somebody who is living embodiment of what is wrong. >> reporter: clinton in command of the race but bracing for new controversy. john podesta's e-mails show he was flabbergasted about the decision to set up private e-mail server for clinton at state department. when first revealed, expressing outrage at cheryl mills. clinton's chief of staff who signed off. >> why didn't they get this stuff out 18 months ago. so crazy. >> unbelievable. >> wanted to get away with it.

>> obama weighing in last night on "jimmy kimmel live." >> go down as perhaps the worst president of the quote. exclamation point. @realdonaldtr @realdonaldtrump. at least i will go down as a president. >> said something i about these hikes? >> reporter: surprisingly, it's her signature issue for last 20 years, utterly silent about it at rally in florida. aides say don't want to litigate this in the final days of the campaign but reality is republicans are litigating it. has talked about this a lot at

campaign trail and debates. says she knows it need to be overhauled and fixed but not repealed because take away health care from americans. this is a political headache not looking for in the final days. why they want to bank the early votes now before it's more of a controversy. >> florida is a prize for both candidates. david how important is florida in this election? >> it's biggest battleground prize there is, 29 electoral votes and candidates know about it. visiting how much? hillary clinton six times, trump on his ninth visit since the conventions and i'm sure it's neither's last visit. >> where she chose to visit, what does that tell us?

>> donald trump is in seminole county today. seven points for mitt romney. on a mission go to base county, republican county and drum up vote there. not dissimilar from hillary clinton, in broward county, barack obama won 67 to 32 over mitt romney. doing get out of the vote. turn out base voters. >> bring in the panel now. former sanders supporter, senior adviser in clinton campaign, trumpologist and supporters, let me start with the nonpartisans and then move over. philip for donald trump obviously florida is critical, problem for him is he's also got to get a bunch of other states as well. >> that's it.

florida must-win if he doesn't, he's dead in the water. got to pick up a lot of states, do better than mitt romney in 2012. that's the baseline. he's losing to hillary clinton in county that romney won. and states he has to defend, and still has to win pennsylvania or ohio, all these states. right now the math isn't there. florida is must-win but so are others. >> what more important? energize the base or reach out? >> at this point probably better, this is what political strategists may tell you, stick to your plan. not a lot of time to shift resources around. reality is he has a path to victory- he's got to win florida, its a battleground. got leads in ohio or win four

points and brings within 11 electoral votes. if can get pennsylvania, always a stretch for republicans, nez the ballpark. wins. if he can flip nevada, he gets closer and closer. you can't start redrawing all of your strategy, shifting resources across the country with just two weeks to go. not rational. >> but with the obamacare premiums going up does hillary clinton try to run out the clock? >> certainly doesn't do her good to talk about it. one of the things she's mastered is not talking about what she doesn't want to talk about. but some people already voted. including in florida. votes banked that hillary clinton can rely on and stronger gound game, lot of folks focused on getting people out to the

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and iowa, leaves shofrmt there's a number of paths to get there. and i think what you'll see and what kellyanne conway as campaign manager has talked about, look at where deploying the surrogates. new hampshire, new hampshire and maine, look differently. internal numbers say it's closer than what others think. pennsylvania getting 29% of the african-american community, unheard of numbers for republican, should scare hillary clinton as race gets closer. does. >> does that scare you? >> i think hillary clinton should be scared. acknowledged not taking --

>> scared of the obamacare. >> i think she needs to address it. >> not doing it so far. >> talked about it on radio today but position not new. this is a law that needs to be fixed. not repealed. people that have this coverage that wouldn't have it except for the law. there's problems to be addressed. not new. i think she needs to talk about it. >> is this an issue that can make the difference for donald trump in the closing weeks? >> absolutely. you have voters who feel they're hurting economically and facing double digit premium increases affects -- >> do you think changes people's minds? >> i 100% do. i think it's unexplored issue. didn't come up in first or third debate.

no meaningful dialogue on obama care. this is affects the pocket book. >> one problem is donald trump is not capable of talking about any issue. if you look at debates can't put together more than three sentences together talking about alternative and republican party in general has no alternative to obamacare. other than throw people off care and not have people covered for preexisting conditions which obamacare solved. to hillary clinton's credit she's publicly stated that one of the things she wants to do with obamacare is offer a public option. will be a debate in the democratic party. will be said only way to solve the problem is single payer.

public option she supports. >> doesn't help today. donald trump with all the employees having terrible trouble with obamacare. >> he's fortunate to provide shoij care through the organization. >> is he the best one to. >> if you're taking humana option down there, premium increase is not 19%, that's across florida but 38.8% is what florida residents see moving forward. that's devastating if you're clinton or obama supporter, going to see that increase. >> to the argument that lot of folks already voted? >> if i'm hillary clinton i'm putting every person in the bank right now because more it's talked about more concern. >> does seem to make sense. more people hear about this. >> sure but a couple of things, especially in florida there's been a million people voted.

florida is a state that is tailor made for hillary clinton. you have latinos voting right now at 99% more than what they voted in 2012. >> so you don't think -- >> i don't think it's going to flip people. for a couple of reasons. not enough time and to your point, donald trump is awful merng on this. >> i didn't say -- >> you asked the question. he sounded clueless, not knowing that obamacare was something his employees used. when you have that comparison, people could say at least hillary clinton is addressing the problem. not wanting to take it away from me. 80% of the people not affected by the heights. >> but want to throw whole thing out or amend what already exists? >> people can look back at history and know the republicans never offered anything but free market solution which was

devastating to people. tens of millions of people didn't have coverage. one of the reasons premiums are going up is because of drug prices. republicans opposed any things for negotiating over drug prices. there's a measure in california attempting to reduce drug prices and farmpharmaceutical industryg donors to the republican party spending money to defeat this. >> what donald trump says is free market but preexisting conditions will be covered but doesn't explain how unless there's a mandate. >> republican party has been trying to put together a replace part of the repeal and replace for years now. not a lot of robust options put

out there. >> seven years. >> worth pointing out two points lessen the political effects. most of the people on the obama exchanges are subsidized so not seeing this. but it is 2017. >> paul ryan has put forward a very detailed and good plan for health care savings accounts. >> which have been proved to be a disaster. >> public option? two words, veterans administration. had a government run organization, and lot of veterans die waiting for care. >> the public option best explained by looking at medicare. there's nobody who is on -- needs to be improved but kept millions of seniors from going bankrupt and going into poverty. if we had medicare for all like all industrialized countries,

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new audio shows insight into donald trump's thought processes and first wife ivana. audio from extensive interviews that journalist michael d'antonio did with trump two years ago. tape showed trump loves fighting, hates losing and will not readily admit to failure. this is before ran for president. >> you vote for her, you're crazy. i'll tell you. she is the worst. >> reporter: it is a donald trump we don't often see. not campaigning but instead contemplative like when he talks about how he won't accept losing. >> you can be tough, and ruthless and all that stuff, because but if you lose a lot nobody is going to follow you. you're looked at as a loser. winning a very important thing and the most important aspect of leadership is winning.

if you have a record of winning, people are going to follow you. >> as we've seen the selection, -- this election, this is a leader who enjoys a flight. >> and papers reveal that willing to fight began as a child. >> eighth grade? arguments? >> any type of fight i loved it. even physical. >> ivana so you how trump reacted when she outskied him. >> ego so big. i went up, two flips up in the air. in front of him, i disappeared.

donald was so angry, he cook off his ski boots and walked up to the restaurant. >> so he left you? >> yeah. >> wow. >> he couldn't take it. he could not take it. >> after the restaurant, i'm not going to do this [ bleep ] for anyone, including ivana. he could not take it, i could do something better than he. >> for trump everything is a competition. especially business. >> never had a failure. because i always turned a failure into a success. >> the theme weaves through his interviews. refusal to acknowledge any business failures. >> i bought smrks i threw it into a bankruptcy. made something, wiped up incredible debt. then i read a story, trump files bankruptcy. i get all these people who don't understand business saying oh did you go bankrupt.

>> he talks about this a lot. >> i do. i'll tell you why i do. what always bothers me is false stuff. untruths. that bothers me. >> what doesn't bother him? fame. trump admits he needs it. >> it's happened from -- from the time i was fairly young. it just happened. >> did it unnerve you at first? >> no. >> or make you feel unsafe ever. >> no no. i think what would unnerve me if it didn't happen. >> doesn't see need more need for reflection but takes a moment to talk about marriage. >> when you think about balancing your ambition and your relationships with people you love, what's changed over the years? >> well it's very hard for somebody to be married to me. >> reporter: ex-wife ivana said what ended after three children with him, trump's affair. marla maples.

>> she doesn't have a brains. i have no idea what donald was doing with her. but broke up our marriage. and immediately when i find out because in effect i file for divorce. >> this is it. >> just if you cannot trust your spouse, you know, it's over. >> reporter: trump up ended the presidential election with much more than fiery rhetoric. the interview show he did it with a singular unyielding belief in himself. >> most important thing is being able to have the proper vision and then never quitting. a lot of people say oh you can never give up. you can give up if you have a stupid vision. i always say vision is the most important thing. you need the proper vision and then you have to have the ability to get it done. >> that's from 2014 when pulitzer prize winning

journalist michael d'antonio interviewed trump. i spoke with him. >> seems like so much of donald trump has been influenced by his father. fighting back, being aggressive. what else? >> the idea of being super tough. >> that comes from his father? >> never giving up. when trump said to me, you hit me, i hit you back ten times harder. that is fred trump. and also the thing that never left me was donald telling me this story about him being sent away to the military academy. and it was a matter of this kid is acting up at school. we're going banish him. >> really? >> and all of a sudden the two sisters and two brothers are cozy at home in this mansion attended by servants and -- >> trump was the only one sent away? >> he was. and i think it may have suited him. he might have been the kind of rambunctious kid the parents felt they needed the discipline.

but fred's toughness and coolness. i think he was a pretty cold guy too. i don't think there was a lot of warmth and love flowing. >> interesting because trump talks about how his dad was based out in queens and how he wanted to come to manhattan. i don't know if it's -- maybe it is too far to say it is a criticism but he does seem to point out he sort of came to an area his father never ventured. >> i think he wanted to one up him. so a kind of exceeding the dad thing that went on. even though fred was one of the richest men in america. his fortune was $200 million. so this is not a guy of no consequence. >> and hillary clinton kept poke ing at trump during the debate by saying your father gave you $14 million to start out and donald trump says that is not true. >> much bigger than that. >> it was bigger than that? >> yes. the father arranged for all the political connections which were

priceless and the financing for his first project which was more than $40 million. donald was born on third base and likes to take credit for getting there but his father put him there. >> he also doesn't want to look back at the past very much. >> no. he said to me, i don't like to analyze myself or think about the past because i'm afraid of what i'll see. unlikely most of us who look to learn from our mistakes and may reflect on what well what went into making me this kind of person? donald is straight ahead and future oriented. he ended our time together pre maturely. we were supposed to meet six times and we only met four for formal interviews and it was just at the moment when i felt he was opening up. starting to tell the truth. and at the end of our last interview i said, you know, i kind of like you today. and he went back a little bit and then smiled. and i almost felt like this is the thing that people see in donald they like but he doesn't let it show.

>> he does have a charm in a one-on-one setting. and got a glimpse of that at the end of the second debate. it had been a very contentious chen a person debate and person said can you say something nice about your opponent he said something which seemed genuine about hillary clinton being a fiergt and he respects that about her. >> i think that was genuine. and this is the frustrating thing for those of whois have spent time with donald. both of his ex-wives said the same thing. they thought they could spark that thing in him and keep it alive and help it to grow and it never happened. >> there is also a real -- i don't know if it is a fear of humiliation but humiliation seems to be a recurring theme. >> this is why he talks about how they are making fools outs of us. our foreign competitors or they are laughing at us. >> which is something he's been saying and putting in newspaper

ads. >> whole life. >> yeah. >> so why does this guy always think about humiliation? why does he worry that people are laughing at him? >> i suspect that someone laughed at him a lot when he was young and he's been trying to make up for it ever since. >> going to have more with my interview of michael d'antonio in the next hour. just ahead the fallout from price hikes in obamacare premiums. talked about it a little bit. republicans and others are blasting hillary clinton. problem is will they be able to leverage sticker shock into actual votes? men. 80% try to eat healthy, yet up to 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day men's gummies. complete with key nutrients plus b vitamins to help convert food into fuel. one a day.

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as we've said, millions of americans who get health insurance through obamacare got an october surprise. not a good kind. premiums are expected to climb average of 22%. president obama considers affordable care act to be one of his signature accomplishments. and republicans have new for dismantling it. here is michelle kosinski. >> does this produce the payment -- pain you are feeling? >> obamacare sticker shock. 22% more on average if premiums this year. compared to 7% in 2016 and throw more fuel onto the republican

fire to repeal it. >> obamacare is a disaster. you know it. we all know it. >> president obama last week compared obamacare to the s samsung galaxy phones that have spontaneously burst into flames. what a coincidence mr. president because that is what we're going to do with obamacare. we're going to pull it off the market. >> the numbers in some cases are staggering. arizona's average increase will be 116%. although indiana's will actually go down by 3%. the democratic governor of minnesota where premiums will prize 50-67% declared. >> the reality is the afford able care act is no longer affordable. >> reporter: the administration pushing back saying the vast majority of people on obamacare won't feel the increases. >> 85% of those folks actually have the tax credits or the subsidies that help them and those subsidies are designed to

move as premiums move. so for those folks they will be insulated from the changes. >> reporter: insurers are having trouble affording those that have signed up but have more health problems than expected. some major insurers pulled out in states altogether. not enough young, healthy people are joining to offset the costs. that means fewer choices and higher rates. the white house agrees there are issues but focuses on the positives. more americans covered. no lifetime limits. no more denial of coverage for pre existing conditions. according to the latest government analysis, most people are able to find an affordable plan. the president continues to sell it. >> now is the time to move forward. the problems that may have arisen from the affordable care act is not because governments too involved in the process. the problem is is that we have not reached everybody and pulled them in.

>> michelle kosinski cnn the white house. >> lot to talk about. joining me now the panel. david gergen and borger. >> so david, trump is obviously trying to use the rise in obamacare care rates to chip away at clinton's lead. do you see that working? big increase in premiums. >> well an in an ordinary campaign this would be big, big news and it would hurt the incumbent and effect hillary clinton and her campaign. after all the republicans and trump been saying for a long time we're going to see these kind of spikes and when the obama people come back and say well people get subsidies. who pays? the taxpayers do. the money comes out of somebody's pocket to pay for all this. but having said that, first of all trump has run such an incendiary campaign it is really difficult to pry people away. and secondly, he himself fumbled

today to talk about this. he first talked about all the agony his employees were going through because of obamacare. he didn't seem to realize that he in fact, his company was actually covering a number of people. at least that was the story, subsequent damage control story. the whole thing is this is going to have less impact than would ordinarily occur. >> he certainly stepped on his ability. raises question is he the best messenger to effectively prosecute the case against obamacare and hillary clinton on this? >> obamacare has always been an issue but not his signature issue like building the wall and he doesn't have a lot of facility in terms of tucking about healthcare. i think a problem he's got also is 7 million people have already voted and i think that the people who hate obama and obamacare are already trump voters. so the question is how many

undecided voters or independent voters could this potentially move? and at this point i think the cake is kind of baked on that issue. people have decided on obamacare. and also he's not really the one to prosecute the issue because he can't stay on a single message. he had a revealing interview with rush limbaugh today in which he said people want me to stay on obamacare. but i have to defend myself on the women issues. limbaugh asked him about it. and he just admitted it. other people say stay on jobs. stay on obamacare and repealing and replacing it. so i guess it is two theories. and he said i would rather fight it. people say you shouldn't do that and just go along and by fight it he means fight it on the women front. he hasn't given up on that. >> and trump says he would repeal and replace obamacare,

the obvious question is what are you going to relace it with? and he doesn't always use specifics and he also says the pre existing conditions are going to get covered which is just hard to square that. >> i think that is right anderson. and what we do now know is that some sort of national healthcare that applies to everybody is going to be our future. we are not going to go back to the system we had before. and the republicans, you know, have the opportunity here to devise and show us a market base kind of plan, one with a lot of incentives and say hey here is a better way to do it. but trump hasn't come one that up with with that plan. and he doesn't have a republican alternative he's advancing. gloria is right. he doesn't have facility in talking about something which is actually very fundamental to the campaign. >> we got to leave it there. dave and gloria, thank you. just ahead trump supporters in the state of florida talk about

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slammed hillary clinton in flat tonight. many have urged him to ditch the sidebar attacks and address the issues. >> frankly, i'd like to address the issues. i'm not looking to take anybody out and be nasty to anybody. >> like i said many times, we need to talk about the issues. >> people do want to talk about the issues. >> i think donald trump is at his very best, at his vest best when he talks about the issues. >> and he talks about the issues and that's what american people want to hear. it's about issues, about jobs. >> advice often ignored about donald trump. what exactly are the issues his supporters want to hear him talk about? randi kaye went to find out. >> reporter: what are the issues that bring supporters to donald trump? for some at this rally in florida, it's the second amendment. >> how do you feel on his stance on guns? what does that mean? thumbs up? >> i am thumbs up, second

amendment, i love my guns. >> this supporter believes he'll protect her right to have a gun. >> i like he wants to protect the average citizen's right to own guns and protect ourselves not only from criminals but from our government, if they would go dictatorship or go too much control. >> voter ian smith likes protecting our borders and term limits. >> reporter: but when it comes to his plan on obama care, what do you like? >> it's top secret. >> reporter: now you sound like donald trump. >> reporter: when it comes to trade -- >> let them pay to import.

>> reporter: so you're all for him renegotiating nafta and getting rid of tpp? >> yes. i know you're trying to make us look stupid, right? >> no, i'm actually doing a story about what policies people are attracted to. >> reporter: i thought we were having a nice discussion actually. this man may have prompted that by recording every every move, and accusing us of asking gotcha questions and he was angry that we weren't wearing cnn t-shirts. >> reporter: he made sure to tell everyone we were cnn until it back fired with this woman. >> oh, i love cnn.

>> thank you. what do you like about donald trump? >> i like that he's pro-life and that he's for americans. there's still some gray areas i don't understand and i want him to flesh that out a little bit more. >> reporter: immigration is a huge draw for this voter. >> when we look at his immigration policy, what are you saying is extreme vetting? now that does not mean religious vetting. that means extreme vetting. i want policies in place to make sure we're doing what is safe. >> reporter: we found many that could not name a single policy donald trump stands for. what policies do you like of his? >> all of them. >> reporter: what do you like the best? is there a specific policy that you like that he's put forward? you don't want to talk about that? >> randi joins us from orlando,

florida. it is interesting some of the supporters don't name a particular policy. maybe it's more of character they like, the personality of donald trump, the strength that they believe he exudes. >> reporter: absolutely, anderson. many of them when i asked them about policy sounded just like donald trump, they would say to me all of his policies are great, they're all going to make america great again, everything's going to be wonderful but they couldn't name a specific policy they support. now, there were those that could name policies and they were very passionate about the fact that he's pro-life, they like the fact he's talking about building a wall and that he's going to appoint like-minded justices to the spror, they like all of that but still there are people that just two weeks out from election day want to hear more. i asked one woman about isis,

that he didn't have a plan and he's going to just bomb them and she said you're right, but he'll surround himself with good people. and i asked another woman about social security and she said he's going to save social security and make it great again but she wants to know how. >> donald trump pounding the trail in the must-win state of florida, slamming president obama. can he turn the sticker shock into votes? we'll look at that ahead.

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