was james buchanan, who was elected in 1856. if elected, secretary clinton will be the first female president, the fourth president in history who served both in the senate and as secretary of state, and the first former secretary of state to be elected in 160 years. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. hey, good morning. i'm brian steltser. it's time for reliable sources, our weekly look at the story behind the story and how the media really works, how the news gets made. a special welcome to our viewers around the u.s. and around all the world. ahead this hour, newt gingrich versus megyn kelly. the race for the white house taking place in parallel universes. will november 8th bring us back to reality? speaking of reality, meet the reporter who spent the last 43 days fact checking every word donald trump says. he's here for a live interview. plus, fresh reporting about the prospect of the most talked

about trump tv. >> and then, there were nine. nine days until election day in america. and this might have been the last october surprise. friday's fbi announcement about new e-mails related to hillary clinton's use of a private e-mail server. pundits on tv immediately said this was good news for trump. and you could say it was also good news for the media. adding a jolt of excitement to all the horse race coverage summed up by the cynical nate silver of 538. he said the fbi story also broke at the xablth time when the media was eager for a dramatic twist or complication in the clinton coasts narrative. now, it is true, fbi director james comey's letter sent shock waves through the media that are still reverberating here on sunday, but it's also a fact that we know very little else about the investigation. information about what these e-mails are, who they were from, etce et cetera, et cetera. what is the proper tone for the media coverage? has there been a fair reaction

or an overreaction? let's bring in two common taerts who know all about this. matt lewis, for the conservative news site the daily caller, and hillary rosen, managing director at skd knickerbocker and a clinton supporter. matt, let me start with you. looking at the coverage the past, i don't know, almost 48 hours since the letter shocked the country, do you feel that the news media rushed to judgment in the initial coverage? >> now, i think the coverage has been really good. i think it's been nuanced i think it's had an understanding that director comey was in a very difficult position. sort of a danged if you do, danged if you don't situation. i think there's been good coverage of that. i was a little worried that we were going to get sort of a media angle, which was originally this was framed as the case being, quote, reopened. it turned out that may be a matter of semantics, but that wasn't precisely correct.

>> technically, the case was never closed. you were worried there was going to be more focus on the technicalities. >> i was worried that the story was no longer going to be about substance and all of a sudden be about the media getting it wrong, but it turns out i think it's been handled very appropriately so far. we're still in the very early stages. this thing just broke friday night basically. >> hillary, you were on twitter over the weekend. you could barely watch the news right now, it was so stressful to see this. as a clinton supporter, why do you say that? do you feel like the press overreacted? >> it was stressful, but i watched anyway. you know, i actually disagree with matt. i do think there was an overamount of hyperbole on friday. we saw media outlets change their headlines after they realized they weren't sort of reopening the investigation, that they didn't have information. i actually think the fbi felt there was a media overreaction too, because what we saw right away after that was friday

evening and all day yesterday, people at the fbi were backgrounding reporters to kind of walk back the hysteria that comey created with his vagueness. >> when you say background reporters, what that means is they'll call up reporters, speak to them on condition of anonymity, and share more details. we definitely did see that on friday? >> that's why we know the details we know. that's why we know, for instance, that these were not hillary clinton e-mails. that these were not -- they might actually have been e-mails that were already turned over. that they don't really know the contents. so we know now a huge amount of information that was not known to the fbi, and none of that was in comey's original letter. what you saw was comey was originally nervous, you know, i saw this move as a cya to him with the republicans. his original letter. but then later, you saw even more come out from the fbi

because they knew that they created a hysteria. >> i have seen tone deaf about cable news. matt, go ahead. >> part of the reason that director comey felt that it was important for the integrity of the fbi and for the process to be very transparent about this is because partly because of the media environment in which we live. i mean, look, we live in a world right now where a lot of americans, especially republicans, but a lot of americans don't trust our institutions. we don't trust the media. we don't trust government. and if it came out after the election that the fbi had stumbled across this information in the process of looking into the anthony weiner story, and had not gone -- had not been transparent, had not notified congress that they were reopening, and i use that term with air quotes, this investigation, that would have looked like a cover-up, like the election was rigged.

>> you know, it's interesting. we saw cnn's tom fuentes last night, former fbi agent, on tv. he essentially said that comey and the fbi were -- have been super sensitive over the last couple months about what they wereceived were ongoing attacks on the credibility of the institution of the fbi since they came to the conclusion that hillary clinton did not have any criminal intent. and those attacks got to them. and what i think is that really, those weren't media attacks. those were really republican attacks. and what i think happened is, you know, the republicans were sort of their base. their strongest supporters, and it bothered them. so i disagree with matt a little bit. i think they kind of went overboard where it's very unusual, as we know, for them to report while there might be something we don't know anything, so here, we're going to be talking about it this close to the election. you know, and that's why we saw

the attorney general say that this was a mistake to do. i think that what we have is the media now and social media affecting the decisions of how our investigators work. i'm not sure that's a good idea. >> let's look at what donald trump has said just in the last few minutes. something that has no accuracy whatsoever. he wrote on twitter just now, wow, twitter, google, and facebook, are burying the fbi criminal investigation of clinton. very dishonest media. now, i think what he's talking about, i think he's alleging that these stories aren't trending on social networking sites. let's pull up google news. you'll see the fbi story is front and have on the google news site. furthermore, you look at facebook. james comey's name is trending on the top of the trending box. and on twitter's version of trending, you'll also see the fbi situation.

matt, could you help us understand why trump would claim something like this, by the way, claiming it on twitter that something is being covered up that isn't covered up. why would this claim stick with some of his supporters? why are they inclined to believe a lie like this? >> well, i think first of all, i believe that there was some website or media outlet that erroneously made this alknagz. >> this morning, zero heads made this allegation, a financial blog. there's been some other fringe sites that claimed this, but it just isn't true. >> right, but i also think this is part -- this plays into donald trump's message of sort of they're out to get us. the game is rigged. there's a sort of an apocalyptic nature. that, you know, look, this goes back to spo spiro agnew and thi fits into his message, but honestly, i think it's a mistake. look, if we're talking about donald trump, he's losing. if we're talking about hillary clinton, she's losing. what we're talking about hillary

clinton, donald trump should be quiet and go dormant right now and let the press focus on hillary. that's the best move he could make. >> i asked the trump campaign to explain where he got this information from. they have not responded to those inquiries. he puts it on twitter, gets thousands of retweets. it plays into a narrative that's false. hillary, you were laughing when he claimed google is covering up the news. it's a big deal to allege this about a giant tech company. >> it is a big deal because we have seen the power of those three companies in this election and frankly in our society today. i think donald trump is playing to his base. i don't think it helps. but i do think that what we have seen, particularly on twitter and facebook this election, is really both sides energizing themselves. i'm not sure that, you know, i have hundreds of thousands of followers on twitter, i don't know that i convince anybody on

the other side of anything i'm saying. i'm reporting. i'm sharing. i'm, you know, beefing up. but i'm not naive enough to think i'm convincing anyone on the other side to switch their views. so i do think that trump, when he does that kind of narrative, that in my view is fairly anti-american, anti-institution, and if that's what he wants to talk about with his supporters, i don't think that's going to get him new votes over the next, you know, eight days, but if that's where he goes, that's perfect. >> i feel strange kind of trying to stand up for google here, but he's claimed in the past that google has manipulated search results. there's no evidence of that. i hope viewers understand that. when he says facebook and twitter are trying to cover something up, not only is there no proof, it's clear when you look, these stories are trending. i want to bring you back in the program. >> after the break, we're talking about parallel universes and what newt gingrich explained

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welcome back to reliable sources. the fractures in conservative media partly caused by donald trump were on full display this week. i'm sure you saw this heated exchange between one of conservative media's biggest stars, megyn kelly, and trump supporter newt gingrich. there's a lot of conversation about how he accused her of being fascinated with sex. look at this exchange a couple minutes before that.

>> you think trump is going to win pennsylvania? >> all i can report to you now is they're outvoting the democrats in early voting which is also true in florida, which is unprecedented. >> but all of the polls in pennsylvania have her winning. >> what? >> all of the polls in pennsylvania have her ahead. >> i know. i just told you we have two alternative universes right now. >> all of the moves on the map in the past three weeks, these are nonpartisan outlets that are just trying to call the electoral -- >> they're not nonpartisan outlets. every outlet you described is part of the establishment. >> fox news, really? i don't think so. >> come on. >> what a revealing moment. gingrich saying fox news is part of the problem. he's a paid fox news contributor, by the way. he was right about the parallel universes. i think we all feel it right now. the timing of the fight was fascinating because it happens that kelly is in negotiations with fox ability a new contract, a big new contract. but she may decide to leave. her current deal is up next

summer. rupert murdoch took his contract talks public this week, saying he wanted her to stay, but there's lots of other people who could take her place. how would the results of the november 8th election affect all these cracks that have splintered conservative media and perhaps more importantly the gop itself, and what's next for kelly? joining me now, conservative columnists. jennifer reuben of the "washington post." rich noise, for the media research center, and a senior editor for news busters.org, and matt lewis from the daily caller. rich, your study got a lot of attention, including from trump and pence, who said 91% of media coverage on the nightly news of donald trump was hostile. in the 12 weeks after the convention leading up until now. tell us us how you came to that conclusion. what does that 91% number represent? >> we looked at all the statements. we stripped out the campaign rhetoric. we didn't count trump sound

bites about hillary clinton or about himself or vice versa. this is the reporter statements. the nonpartisan experts they would bring in, the voters they would bring in. partisans who broke the partisan mold that would then get attention on the news. things that really lent a spin. we found almost 700 statements about trump, 91% of them were negative. we found fewer than 200 about hillary clinton, about 79% of those were negative as well. but my conclusion, looking at that, is she's really out of the line of fire in the news media up until i guess this past weekend. and he was the central focus, and it was very, very negative. >> you look at the kind of the fairness between the coverage of clinton and trump, would you think it's fair to say that clinton has had fewer controversies or more for nightly news to cover? >> she's got her controversies, and you know, they're certainly getting less air time. we found 440 minutes of this air time devoted to trump

controversies. 185, about 40% of that, to hillary clinton. now, you could argue that the e-mail controversy, which is now back in the news, the clinton foundation pay for play, those are potentially very significant controversies about her time in public office going right to questions of ethics and comp tense. yet those were getting far less coverage than trump and his behavior towards women, which is certainly a valid issue, trump's taxes. things like that that the media seemed more eager to cover. with hillary clinton, they seemed ready to call that old news until this weekend. our study stopped october 20th. >> jennifer, do you look at this study and see the playing field tilted in clinton's direction? >> no, i see this is actually the donald trump strategy. to the kaunlstuernation of republicans, whenever the story line drifted to hillary under terms that might be bfrlsh, he grabs the spotlight back. he knows exactly what he's

doing. this is how he frankly got through the primaries when he got overwhelming coverage from the networks. i don't think this is necessary the media choosing to root for one side or to make him look bad. it's an intention aal strategy his part. i also think that frankly, you can take any segment of the election, these 12 weeks, if you took the period of time, for example, when the fbi originally came out on the e-mails, the news was quite negative for a long period of time against hillary. so there is an ebb and flow. just to say 91% of it during these few weeks goes this way doesn't look at the election as a whole. i think it will be interesting at the end to see how the numbers play out over the entire election season. >> matt, talking about newt gingrich here, the gingrich/megyn kelly exchange. i played the parallel universe sound bite because it's the key to understanding what's going on. folks are in their own echo chambers.

do you have any advice about how to break out past that? about how to encourage people to hear all sides during this election? >> well, i mean, i think that's it's really a microcosm right now, as you were saying, of the conservative movement. newt gingrich is wearing his hat in the role of a surrogate, so you would expect him to defend trump. so that sort of deserves an asterisk. if you put that aside, you have a sort of nationalist, populist, pro-trump movement that breitbart.com is maybe the most indicative of that. then you have a more mainstream, conservative, traditional conservative movement. maybe the national review is more indicative of that. i think megyn kelly is sort of at the center of this. if fox news keeps megyn kelly, then i think it's a clear sign that they're going to be -- they want to move in sort of a thoughtful, center right national review direction.

if she goes, and you have, for example, sean hannity becoming the marquee primetime host, then it's a sign that they're going the other direction. as the conservative movement is sort of splitting away and trying to decide what it's about, fox news is like a microcosm of that battle. >> rich, do you agree with matt, or is it possible fox news can be all things to all conservatives or even moderates? >> well, i think it's going to be difficult. i mean, fox is going through its own changes right now. but you know, they have been up until this election and really including this election, the one place on television, cable television news where conservatives felt they were getting a fair shake. getting some respect, getting their point of view across. now, conservatives are split amongst themselves so some are unhappy with fox. or they like this host, they don't like that host. when the conservative movement sort of pulls itself together, it will be easier to serve them as a constituency.

until then, it's going to be more difficult. >> matt, you tweeted something originally, there have been a couple polls showing most americans think the meet yeah, writ large, wants clinton to win, not trump to win. that feels to me like a problem. it feels like a problem. if most americans think the scales are somehow tilted in clinton's favor. at the same time, i don't know how to separate that from trump's dominant anti-media rhetoric, that he's always telling his supporters the media is trying to tear down his candidacy. when you look at the polls that show that, do you think that it has a lot to do with trump's anti-media rhetoric, which he has toned down in recent days. >> that's part of it, but the other part is we have journ ls, this week, dana milbank is one that said the press can't play it fair anymore. the press can't play it neutral. >> but he's a journalist. >> he's suggesting it's illegitimate to give trump the same press as any other

candidate. when the press wants to get in there and take sides because it's too important to lead to the voters to make up the decision themselves, they're basically flplaying to trump's hand and saying it is a rigged game, and they're demonstrating that being much more adversarial against trump than hillary clinton. >> jennifer, you work at the "post." how do you feel? >> i disagree. i think this is one of the problems with conservative media and conservative watchdogs, they don't, for example, distinguish between the actual reporters and the columnist. i don't think anyone can accuse david fahrenthold who has done really pulitzer prize-winning work, investigative reporting, as being biassed. he's doing his job, digging. part of this is due to the fact that donald trump refused to reveal a lot of information that most candidates have done. there's more to find out on that side. i will say something else. fox for a long time has played this game of saying, well, we have our opinion shows, sean hannity and bill o'reilly, but then we have straight news from

people like kelly and people like brit hume and so on. and i think what has happened is these distinctions have gotten completely blurred. they put sean hannity at a desk that looks like a news desk. they have the bug on it that says fox news. and so they have really sort of eviscerated these distinctions between what is real news, what is hard news, what has to be kwauberated. what is based on facts, and what hannity and o'reilly do. i think that was a mistake for them. i think it has denigrated from their real news people like megyn kelly, like bret baier, by associating them, and then everyone thinks fox is sean hannity. everybody thinks fox is bill o'reilly. when you point that out, they get very offended, but frankly, it's a game they started and they exploit. >> hannity has been raising the prospect of voter fraud. when you look at polling that compares fans of cnn versus fans

of fox, for example, you'll find fox viewers are much more concerned the election results could be manipulated. do you feel conservative media leaders are misleading their audience about that? >> some of them are. it's again, it's hard to say conservative media because there are very big distinctions. some of the best analysis debunking the it's being rigged has been done by conservative media, by national review and others. you have to really separate those people who maintain a journalistic standard of accuracy, of fairness, and those who are simply shooting off the top of their heads. listen, sean hannity perpetrated the birther lie, too. that's my objection to putting those folks on with a news label. because they're making stuff up. and that's not news. >> i'm all out of time, but thank you to the three of you for being here. thanks. and up next here, we have seen a lot about trump supporters all year long. we have a panel of them a few months back.

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so much ink, so much air time to the clinton e-mail story. it already has a hashtag. but has the coverage been fair or is there bias in the way the story is reported. we talked about bias many times on the show. in august, we gave four supporters a platform to talk about grievances about the media's lack of fairness covering trump. now we thought it's time to flip that around, to talk about how clinton supporters feel about the way she's treated by the ma mainstream media. joining me now, peter dow, in miami, david brock, a ceo of correct the record, a

pro-hillary clinton super pac, and author of "killing the messeng messenger." and back with us, hillary rosen, cnn political commentator and clinton supporter. thank you for joining me. peter, let me start with you. you have been outspoken about your disgust in some of the ways clinton is treated. get specific with me. where do you see a double standard in coverage. >> the first thing i don't want to do when i do media analysis is accuse any reporter of sexism. it's more about the culture of the national media. >> how so? >> what is allowed. let me give you a more concrete example. matt lauer was criticized for the commander in chief forum a couple month ago. all he was really doing was -- it was a microcosm in one hour of what the media coverage had been for the previous 14, 15 months. 17 minutes, he started with secretary clinton on the e-mails. >> like ten minutes, i think. but a big portion. >> a big portion that he

started. relatively antagonistic approach. he was grilling her, more deferential to donald trump. and in that one hour of coverage, you could see what we, our research has done, and i saw the segment previously about the 91% coverage has been negative to donald trump. well, the e-mail story has been covered since it broke in early march, for 600 days in the national press. the definition is a national outlet or major regional outlet covering the story, talking about it. 600 days of coverage exceeds watergate and pretty much every other major news story, political news story in the modern era. it's about proportionality, brian. it's not about not covering the story. of course, it's newsworthy, and there's no reason not to cover a newsworthy story, but it's about proportion. when she didn't give a press conference a few months ago, there was a constant drum beat. why aren't you doing press conferences. whether, donald trump has not done a press conference in the entire general election, but you don't hear the drum beat.

all we're asking for is proportionality and fair coverage. >> i hope you hear that about both candidates needing to provide more access. dan wrote this pointing out hillary clinton has not given a national tv news interview in more than six weeks. he said clinton spoke with the "new york times" and snap chat and sat down with ellen degeneres. but david, the pruth is clinton has been avoiding national television news interviews to a greater extent than trump has been avoiding it. shouldn't hillary clinton in the final days of the campaign provide more access to the media? wouldn't is solve some of the bias claims clinton supporters have about the media? >> look, i'm all in favor of more access to the media. but i don't believe that it would be a corrective in terms of the kinds of coverage she gets. i don't think one follows from the other. look, you covered earlier in your show how a lot of the press

on friday botched this story of the e-mails. but let's remember that where the story started a year and a half ago with the "new york times," you had a series of three stories in the "new york times" making what ended up being false accusations of misconduct by hillary in reference to the e-mails. nothing that the investigation subsequently ever verified. yet an extraordinary episode last august where the then public editor of the "new york times" extracted a promise from the executive editor of the "times" to be fairer to hillary going forward. so this isn't the first botched e-mail story. second issue is fact checking. i think the fact that present company accepted that a lot of the press has avoided doing the fact checking on donald trump intrinsically just leads to an imbalance in the playing field, because hillary has been rated by the most credible fact checking sites as the most honest candidate in this whole

field, so she's disadvantaged by the fact that trump gets off the hook for blatantly lying. and three, on a double standard, let's take both foundations. let's take the clinton foundation that has saved millions of lives, that has been for more than two years by the press corps, finding nothing wrong, and then you have the trump foundation which is basically a sham operation where he takes money from other people and has used it to make illegal political donations. the truth is the "times" has had 16 front page stories on the clinton foundation. what do they do with the trump foundation and the accusation he had pay to play in florida with the attorney general? paragraph 23 is the first time it's mentioned in the "times." the a.p. ran a very misleading story on the clinton foundation a few weeks back. that got three times the broadcast news coverage than the trump foundation misdeeds did. >> you're talking about

proportionality the way peter was. this gets to the parallel universes. talking with joel benenson last night, clinton's chief strategist, he brought up the same fact checking point you're making. yet, talking to trump aides, trump advisers, they feel like the press beats him down every single day. hillary, what do you hear from clinton supporters? how would you channel the frustration of clinton supporters when they're watching coverage of their preferred candidate? >> i think the problem in some respects is about the candidates themselves. which is what we have in hillary clinton is really a single mistake, if you will, that people have been hounding on, as peter and david have said, for the past 15 months. what you have in donald trump is literally a thousand times where he's been, you know, sued for cheating, backing out of deals, you know, doing denying his bankruptcies and, you know, claiming policies that he doesn't give his own employees. there are literally like a,nld

things about donald trump that most lying candidate ever, according to politifact, in history. and so it's simple marketing. if you have one mistake that is played 1,000 times and then you have 1,000 things that each get like one mention, what's going to penetrate the most? so i do think that hillary clinton, there's been this kind of false equivalency that the media has done. and by the way, she never lied about her e-mails. even the fbi said she was always honest with them. you know, she might not have been accessible to the media as much as they wanted on this issue, but she never lied. and this false equivalency about they're both dishonest has been kind of created by the media. >> final word to you, david. if you could change one thing in the last nine days, you're a partisan on this, but if you could change one thing, what would it be? >> well, if i could change one thing, is to, you know, let's get the facts about this fbi

situation correct. because subsequent reporting from the bombshell treatment we had on friday has shown in yahoo news that these e-mails were not even looked at by the fbi, so it can't be said there's a damaging bombshell here. >> we don't know that. yahoo has reported that. cnn has not reported that. there's a lot more that needs to be done. >> i agree with that. i think everybody ought to chill out for a minute. this was a very vague letter. we're owed more information from director comey before we can take it much further. you're right, there's a lot of speculation out there in the press, but "newsweek" reported these e-mails were not to or from hillary. we need to get to the bottom of this and take our time to get to the bottom. >> go ahead. >> i was just going to say that, you know, the bias of whether she's a woman for a year i think the media, when hillary would talk about what mattered to women and donald trump's

behavior was boorish after the megyn kelly, after everything, people claimed her playing the woman card. it wasn't until men heard for themselves that "access hollywood" tape that they sort of got onboard. women sort of understood those messages long before the media did. i think that's a bit of a bias and a difference between the sexes here. >> interesting. peter, david, hillary, thank you all for being here this morning. up next, talking about fact checking. i'll sit down with a reporter who fact checks every word out of donald trump's mouth. you have to hear the findings he's had right after this. all right, here we go, baby.

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has donald trump made fact checking great again? trump at best is indifferent to fact checkers and at worst he's openly hostile. we have seen journalists come up with a new way to fact check this candidate. check out what daniel is do. where he's making a list of every trump falsehood every day.

lately, he says he's been recording record numbers of untruths. let's learn more about his findings. daniel is joining me now from washington. you have been calling this the trump check. you recently wrote that you think the count, the actual number here, is a story in itself. what is that story? what have you been learning? >> well, the story is that we have a candidate who lies strategically and pointlessly about most things big and small, but most of all, lies frequently. the way fact checking has d drutraditionally been done is the fact checker will take one or two or three false statements in a day and meticulously fact check them and post an article, but that doesn't work when we have a candidate who is saying more than 20 false things a day, up to 37 on some days. so what i have been trying to do is fill that sort of frequency void and make clear to people that this is not a normal political liar who can be shoehorned into a normal pattern of political coverage. >> what's a normal political

liar? like a hillary clinton? >> well, you know, that's for people to judge. for example, hillary clinton in the three presidential debates said four false things, five false things and four false things by my count. donald trump said, let me get this right. 33, 34, and 37. so there is a massive imbalance in the frequency of dishonesty. it's not my job to make the case that hillary clinton is an honest or truthful person. what i can say with certainty is there's no comparison in her level of accuracy with her opponent. >> you said trump lies pointlessly. i wondered what you meant by that, pointlessly? >> he gets things wrong on s subjects where there's no political advantage to be gained. in those cases. it's not clear whether he's lying or simply confused or unwilling to take the time to learn the facts. so for example, you know, when he says things like the song the

snake, which he reads as an al gore for danger by res ref jfre was written by a different writer. he says this over and over. it's not just defensive lying, not just evasive lying. it's just getting things wrong all the time for often reasons unknown. >> clinton supporters were in the last block saying trump should be fact checked more often. you would seem to be doing what they to see done. how do you determine when something is lie, not just a fib, an exaggeration, but a lie. there are times you say trump is making promises he can't keep. you're calling those lies. >> yeah, so when i do the daily, what i call trump check, i don't call any of them lies because determining intent is difficult. i call them false claims. i can prove with certainty something is false, not why he said it. there are times where it is

clear to anyone who is looking at this fairly that he is lying. for example, his claim to have opposed the iraq war in advance. we know that is false and he said it enough to know that this cannot simply be confusion. when he says over and over that neighbors of the san bernardino terrorists saw bombs in the garage or on the floor of their apartment and didn't report them. >> that's an egregious one. >> that's slandering the entire muslim community for political aim. in certain cases like that, i'm comfortable saying lie. >> you report on the late rob ford, the former mayor of toronto. you say that helped you, gave you an advantage covering trump. how so? >> it got me and my paper probably more crucially comfortable with the idea of calling out a candidate for lying and calling out a candidate who's lied much more often than his opponents. papers are traditionally very reluctant to, you know, to quote/unquote take sides in this

way. even though it's taking the side of the facts. and you know, taking a stand and saying there is an imbalance here. that's not something papers have usually done. we did that with rob ford and his brother doug ford. we got used to it, and i think that made my editors comfortable allowing me to do this with trump. >> daniel dale, the trump checker. thank you for being here. >> up next, they say sharing is caring. when it comes to sharing news from social media site, if you really care, you will triple check before you share. i have an essay you have to hear and share with your friends right after this. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework... wire... and plants needed to give my shop... a face... no one will forget. see what the power of points can do for your business.

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americans are divided right now. the divide is real and is distressing and it's partly because of facebook. yeah, facebook. faith news has become a plague on the web, especially on

facebook. there are so many unreliable sources about this election so we need a new rule for the web. triple check before you share. let me show you why. there are countless websites to try and trick and mislead people. this one claims that a donald trump protester was paid $3,500 to protest at one of trump's rallies. zoom in. it says abc news but it's not the real abc news. it says abcnews.com/co, which is in south america. this has tricked a whole lot of us, including kellyanne conway and trump's son eric who clicked on the link and then shared it on twitter. this forced a narrative about anti-trump protesters being paid off. finally, the truth comes out. this happens to all of us. i've been fooled by these sites

before. maybe you have been, too, because they are designed to be shared on social media. i see three buckets of them. number one, total hoax sites trying to fix you. number two, hyperpartisan sites with misleading info. number three is the most dangerous kind. these are the hybrids because they certainly mix a lot of fiction with a little bit of fact. let's chick on this one. it says that the wikileaks e-mails reveal something shocking, that hillary clinton wanted trump to run for president and predicted he would be successful. now there's a tiny bit of truth here. according to wikileaks, clinton did say that she wanted more busine businessmen to run for office but never mentioned trump. so the quotes are entirely made up. here's the depressing part.

i think these disinformation websites, spreading out in all directions on the dozens of other sites that link to each other strengthening the entire web all over these sites. it makes it seem never ending. makes it seem true. this is something we have to recon with. when i say "we," i'm talking about facebook and you and me. every time we click and share these fake stories, somebody makes a little more money. these ended up right in facebook's trending box. while it may be all fun and profits, these stories hurt the people who read and share them over and over again. just this morning, a big pro-trump facebook page posted about the pretend abc story and then dozens of people posted angry comments about it, further insulating themselves from the truth. these bogus sites are not going away. so all of us have a

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