camerota. >> good people. you didn't hear a lot of that during the campaign. >> you did not. >> good morning. >> welcome to your "new day." it's monday, november 14th. 8:00 in the east. alisyn is off, poppy is in. good to have you with us. >> good to be here. >> president-elect trump making his first official hires. his top two advisers in place. at least nominally. you've got reince priebus, the head of the rnc, who attacked -- who trump attacked during the primaries. he's going to be the chief of staff. his chief strategist is a story. his name is steve bannon. he is a promoter of of the alt-right. he is now a main person in the white house. >> all this and donald trump sitting down for his first interview post-election talking to "60 minutes" discussing his administration's top priority as well. clearly softening on some of those big campaign promises that he made. let's begin our corning this morning with phil mattingly in washington. good morning, phil. >> good morning, poppy. when you talk to democrats and republicans alike they are clearly still trying to get their heads around what happened just less than a week ago. one of the ways they're trying to do that, take a look at who

donald trump wants to bring onto his white house team. that, both parties say, basically will tell them more than anything else about the direction that he plans to head in a trump administration. well, yesterday we got the first answer to two of the biggest positions, one of his hires, assuages some of the concerns particularly among republicans about how donald trump will deal with republicans. the other raising alarm bells in both parties. >> president-elect donald trump's administration starting to take shape. trump naming rnc chairman reince priebus as his chief of staff and campaign ceo steve bannon as his chief strategist and senior counselor. creating two duelling power centers and a potential rivalry between his two top aides. priebus the ultimate washington insider with deep connections to gop leaders. bannon a polar opposite. a man who's operated on the republican fringe of executive chairman of breitbart.com.

one with a known talent for riling up the grassroots while maintaining close ties to the alt-right movement in which anti-semitism is pervasive. bannon's appointment drawing sharp condemnation. the spokesman for harry reid saying quote it is easy to see why the kkk views trump as their champion when trump appoints one of the foremost peddlers of white supremacist themes and rhetoric as his top aide. the ceo of the anti-defamation league calling it a quote, sad day. the executive director of the council on american islamic relations says the appointment of bannon sends the disturbing message that the anti-muslim conspiracy theories and white nationalist ideology will be welcome in the white house. as thousands across the country protest against trump for the fifth straight day, trump addressing his supporters who have harassed minorities in his

first tv interview. >> i say stop it. if it helps, i will say this, and i'll say it right to the cameras. stop it. >> reporter: trump also appearing to tweet a central tenet of his immigration proposal. >> they're talking about a fence in the republican congress. would you accept a fence? >> for certain areas i would. but certain syrias, a wall is more appropriate. i'm very good at this, it's called construction. could be some fencing. >> reporter: and discussing his supreme court appointees. calling same-sex marriage a settled issue taking a hard stance against national abortion rights. >> having to do with abortion if it ever were overturned, it would go back to the states. so, it would go back to the states. >> so some women won't be able to get an abortion? >> no, it will go back to the state. >> no, some -- >> perhaps have to go to another state. >> and chris, starting to get some clear answers on personnel. some flexibility on policy.

but on one area, at least, no sure-fire answer yet. the idea that donald trump first laid out in august, and continued to repeat throughout the end of his campaign, appointing a special prosecutor to investigate hillary clinton. last night he was asked about that on the "60 minutes" interview. he said he didn't want to hurt the clintons. he felt they were good people. he hadn't made up his mind yet. so keep an eye out for that. chris? >> all right, phil, thank you very much. joining us now is communications director for donald trump's transition team jason miller. in person congratulations. >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> good luck to you going forward. >> thank you. >> so, on the clintons, a much sweater, nicer, tone during the election he was very harsh, you know, lots of bad words for hillary clinton and why he wanted a special prosecutor. now, it seems like that's not going to happen. is that a safe assumption? >> i think it's safe to say exactly what the president-elect said last night in the int interview, his first priority and focus will be jobs, jobs, jobs, he also wants to make sure that we secure the border. that we address obamacare day one. so the president-elect has made it very clear that he's going to

get to work for the american people. and, this is what the priority is. >> the harshness of the campaign is what it is, but this is going to be different. that's what i keep hearing. steve bannon, as a hire, fights that notion that trump will be a more benevolent trump, he'll be a more unifying trump, he'll be get it done, not just advance an agenda. steve bannon is not an ordinary placement in the white house. he is promoter of the alt-right and a very controversial guy. how does that square with trump being different than he was in the campaign? >> well, chris, if you've seen the president-elect since the election, he's taken a very measured tone. he's made it very clear that he's going to get to work for the american people right away. and that he's moved past the election. and what i think is frustrating is when we see so much news coverage, particularly on this network, unfortunately, on the issues that divide us following the election, i think that's irresponsible. i think we're seeing so many good things of people coming to the. let's talk about how well

mr. trump did in the election. doing better with african-americans and hispanics and blue states that republicans haven't done in the past. there is this unifying feeling coming out of this campaign, or what was the campaign, now moving into becoming president of the united states. and that's really where our focus is. and so when you take mr. bannon who will be the chief strategist and senior counselor to the president, teaming up, working hand in glove with chairman priebus who is coming on board as the chief of staff, this is going to be a good team that, number one, helped get mr. trump across the finish line. they put together the plan. they worked seamlessly together. and as we've seen, both of these men have been involved in campaigns with mr. trump for a long time. and the entire time, they were purely focused on his vision and they helped him win. >> the challenge is, to unite. right? you have your numbers, their numbers on the other side, that reveal a very divided country. popular vote, by almost any math, will not be in donald trump's favor. he won through the electoral college. i'm not here to debate electoral

college, popular vote. the election is over. donald trump is president-elect of the united states. period. he did not get a mandate from the americans. he didn't get a mandate from any minorities. he got more than expected. hillary clinton underperformed. all true. but the challenge is to unite. steve bannon is not a statement of unity. this is a man whose wife said he didn't want his girls in a school because they had too many jews there. breitbart is what it is. ted cruz whom you worked for used to point to it as a poison affecting his own party. how is that a nod towards unity? >> chris, again, i think that your focus on trying to divide people, i think, is -- >> not fair, jaszen. not fair. you put bannon in position. not me. i don't put out the headlines on breitbart. he does. he is seen as the architect of a very effective strategy that donald trump used during the election, which you guys now say needs to be left behind. but you're bringing the architect of it with you. that's not on me.

>> chris, since day one when steve bannon joined mr. trump's operation, now heading into the white house, his job has been to help mr. trump implement his vision. he has done exactly that. he's done a fantastic job. chairman priebus, his job was to run the rnc. and to make sure that we got the entire machine moving and he did it fantastically. the two are going to work well together. one, has a very good sensz of mr. trump's voice. exactly what he wants to do, how he wants to -- what issues he wants to take on. chairman priebus has fantastic relationships across the board. not just on both sides of capitol hill but in all of washington. he's a master tactician. and this -- i think one of the things that we're getting a little bit off track, we're talking about president-elect donald trump. it's going to be his vision. it's going to be his policies. that's where the focus is. he's the boss. that's where the buck stops. this is going to be his white house. and he'll be running it to serve the american people -- >> but you are who you have around you and the jekyll and hyde thing is of your own creation. not hours. bannon reached out to marion

lepen. her grandmother founded the anti- -- party. bannon reaches out to someone like that to work with the administration. what kind of message does that send? >> chris, the clear message coming from mr. trump since this election is that our country is over the past eight years become way too divided. i think you would agree on this. way too politicized. we're going to have to unify the white house. we're going to have a unified president. and we're going to go and get some real things done for the american people. i think that's where the focus is. all the behavior and the activity and the focus is all been on putting the people back in charge of this government. and it's been very clear on that. >> so, what do you think the administration will do with one of its unique challenges? which is, we've never had a businessman of trump's scale. we had a couple in the past. but it was a long time ago. you know he's broken a lot of rules. made his own rules. i don't mean that as a pejorati pejorative. what does he do with his business? it's not like you or me where you're working at a bank or something you put all your

shares of goldman in a blind trust and you do your new job. and technically you don't really know what's going on. this is different. his name is on all of it. having his -- his kids run it, fine. god bless them, and i hope they're successful. but it seems like it's almost impossible for him to separate his businesses. how do you satisfy the concerns about conflict of interest? >> well, i think part of the reason why mr. trump won is because he is this successful business leader. he's done so well in so many different fields. obviously the exact details we'll leave that to lawyers and accountants for figuring out how you get energy prepared to make the transition. but the fact that he's not a politician, the fact that he is someone who's been -- >> very attractive to many voters. >> very attractive. and i think so many voters look at washington and say this is government that isn't responsive. there are too many people being left behind. and this is an economy in certain aspects look okay on paper but you go talk to folks in scranton and johnstown and youngstown and other places across the country, they're not seeing any improvement in their

economy. i think that's the aspect people want and they want someone from outside d.c. to come in and shake things up. >> they got it. >> and they got it. >> one small example. every president in office has their taxes audited. and they put them out. every -- it happens. will he continue that tradition. >> mr. trump is -- he's been very clear with where he is on his taxes. >> that won't change even as president? even though every president has had their taxes put under scrutiny and made available to the public? >> the president-elect has been very clear and very consistent. his taxes are currently being audited. and so when that's completed, then he'll go and put those forward and nothing has changed with that answer. >> jason miller. thank you very much. >> chris. >> good luck going forward. >> poppy? >> all right, thank you, guys. lots of names surfacing as donald trump gets his cabinet in place. two of the big names dropping last night, of course, the former oklahoma senator will join me with unique insight on key issues. we will speak with tom coburn, next. but there's so much more to it. here's how benefiber® works. inside us are trillions of good microflora

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welcome back. there are a lot of positions at play as president-elect donald trump begins to name members of his cabinet. at the moment there's only one name it seems on the list for potential director of the office of management and budget. it is my next guest. would he take the job if offered? former oklahoma senator tom coburn joins me now. thank you for being with me. >> i'm glad to be with you. >> we are going to get to that in a moment. but i want your take on the news of the day first. before you backed donald trump in july you were very critical

of him. you called his campaign a fabrication. you said that it would take, you know, that he would undo years of hard work by the republican party. you said that he's perpetuating a fraud. yet you got behind him before he was elected. what is your reaction, sir, to the two choices he's made in terms of the top people around him, reince priebus and steve bannon, two men of the same party, sure, two men who could not be more different though. your thoughts. >> well, you know, i'm, as a conservative, and a constitutional conservative, i have trouble with this term alt-right. which we have an alt-right but we don't have an alt-left. so i don't have any problem with who the president-elect puts in his cabinet. if he has people that he trusts that have given him good advice, and have performed well for him, it's his obligation to put people around him that he trusts that he this will help him accomplish what he said he wanted to accomplish -- >> so as the names -- >> i don't have any trouble with that. >> let's begin with that.

as the nation is divided and people are taking to the streets in a number of american cities protesting, as others are thrilled with the outcome of the election, as the president has said that he will be a unifier and bring all of america together, steve bannon is someone who is not that. he is someone who has led breitbart, which is not just another news site. this is -- this is a media site that has perpetuated the alt-right, even if you don't accept it, it does exist. it has hat headlines that are anti-semitic, that have had racist headlines. he is someone whose ex-wife said in court papers that he said he does not like jewish people. do you have any concerns about him being in the president's inner circle at all? >> no, i think donald trump can filter any of that out, if, in fact, that exists. or whether that's done -- >> but it does exist. these are facts. >> okay. that's fine. but, it's donald trump's call to put people he trusts to advise

him. that doesn't mean he accepts their positions on these things. you know, i think donald trump sold a lot of people on the fact that he knew how to change and get this country going again, restore some liberty. balance the 1.6 million dollar -- million bureaucrats in washington with some real freedoms restored to the american people, and lessening regulation. i don't think that his appointment has anything to do with that. and i don't think the association with some former website diminishes president-elect trump's ability to make good decisions for the country and accomplish what he wants to accomplish. >> before we move on it's not some former website. it is a website that has very much been part of this what has been a divisive election in america, and steve bannon up until, you know, just before he -- when he joind the campaign was the one leading it and all those headlines. >> i just tell your listeners that are concerned about that, get over it and trust donald

trump to make good decisions and he'll take advice that's good and he will reject advice that's bad. >> let's get to some of the other issues. your name being floated as omb director. you are someone who for years and years has talked about cutting the pork, cutting the pork. "a," do you want the job? and "b," how do you make all those cuts and actually make a difference when all of his tax plan that has been put forward makes it pretty hard to -- to -- make the math work. >> it's not hard to do it. look there's 400 to 500 billion dollars of pure waste and fraud in the federal government right now. that's not hard. and if the american people would look at it, and see the gao reports they'd agree. the problem is how do you get congress to grow a spine to get rid of the stupid stuff, and the duplication? and actually, most people won't miss this except the people who have grown to be dependent on a wasteful program. >> do you want -- do you want to, then, to actually -- do you

want to be -- >> i want somebody -- >> to be omb director would you take it? >> i'm not answering that question. that hasn't been offered. nobody's talked with me about that. the point is, is there are plenty of people in this country that can execute and there's plenty of waist in the federal government. and we can pay for the infrastructure plans of donald trump just with the waste, fraud and duplication. plus another $100 billion in medicare that's fraud every year, too. so, tough management, could actually make a big difference in our country, and get us a whole lot more value for what we're spending. >> as you know, donald trump supporters love his refrain, drain the swamp. drain the swamp. but he hasn't exactly done that yet. at least when it comes to folks on his transition team. listen to what he told lesley stahl. >> your own transition team, filled with lobbyists. >> the only people you have down there. >> lobbyists from verizon. lobbyists from the oil and gas --

>> everybody's a lobbyist down there. we're doing a lot of things to clean up the system. but everybody that works for government, they then leave government and they become a lobbyist essentially. i mean the whole place is one big lobbyist. >> but you're basically saying you have to rely on them, even though you want to get rid of them. >> i'm saying that they know the system right now. but we're going to phase that out. you have to phase it out. >> is this donald trump the president-elect not donald trump the -- the -- you know the candidate realizing the reality of what is in washington? >> no. i think that's the pragmatic donald trump that's going to go where the information is. you know, lobbyists in and by themselves aren't inherently bad. the fact is, is why would you not expect people to lobby for their interests when the federal government is so overbearing, so overreaching that you're limiting people's liberty? you know, i don't find that -- that's where the information is. he's smart. he's going to go get the information. that doesn't mean he's going to utilize these people in a position. what it means is he's going to get information with which to make good decisions. and there's a lot of smart

people that have been in the reagan administration, there were some of these people that you're talking about that have great knowledge about the last time we were highly successful in reforming this country, getting it to grow, and raising everybody's standard of living. >> senator quickly before i let you go, obamacare. you put forth your own plan in 2014. he has run on repealing and replacing it. now he seems to be sort of compromising. going to keep a few things. what do you want to see happen, if anything of obamacare as we know it today? >> well, number one, i don't -- i don't think your statement's accurate. he said during the campaign those few things he might look at. and i think we can keep those two things. and i think it's wrong to deny somebody insurance if, in fact, they really have insurance if they have a pre-existing illness. spreading the risk is what insurance is all about. we've not done that before in this country. and we don't have free markets when it comes to health care. so, i'd love to see the affordable care act replaced. with a system that is based on

transparency of both price and quality, with real competitive markets, with tax advantages to have your own i.r.a. for health care. one that actually works. and with a limitation of federal government practice in medicine, which is what they're doing now, through the affordable care act. >> senator coburn i have to leave it there. i appreciate your time this morning. thank you. >> you bet. good to talk with you. >> chris? >> all right. we're going to take a closer look at donald trump's stance on some key issues. we got gay marriage, got roe versus wade. he seemed to have very different ideas about where those two issues are with respect to the supreme court. we're going to discuss with experts. next.

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sunlen serfaty has more. >> reporter: donald trump elevating steve bannon. to chief strategist and senior counselor in the white house. already multiple hate watch groups are now rebuking the appointment, voicing their concerns about bannon's ties to the alt-right. bannon was brought on as ceo of the trump campaign in august. he came in as the head of the right wing website breitbart news with the nationalist, populist reputation. known for controversial headlines like bill kristol, republican spoiler, renegade jew. and birth control makes women unattractive and crazy. >> what we need to do is slap the republican party and get those guys and if we have to to, we'll take it over. >> reporter: bannon's longtime mission to take down the establish wing of the republican party. >> if you're fighting to take this country back, you know, it's not going to be sunshine, and patriots, it's going to be people who want to fight. andrew breitbart was all about

the fight. in fact we call ourselves internally the fight club. >> reporter: bannon's target number one has been house speaker paul ryan. e-mails obtained by "the hill" newspaper show bannon giving orders to his staff to try to take him down. saying the long game is to have ryan gone by spring. bannon, a former navy officer and goldman sachs banker also surrounded by controversy in his private life. in 2007 his ex-wife accused him of domestic violence and making anti-semitic remarks saying in court, he doesn't like jews and that he doesn't like they raise their kids to be whiny brats and that he didn't want the girls going to school with jews. but bannon's camp said he never said it. >> i pledge to every citizen of our land that i will be president for all americans. >> reporter: now with bannon in the white house, critics questioning trump's inclusive vision. sunlen serfaty, cnn, washington. >> our thanks to sunlen.

so steve bannon is now the president-elect's senior strategist. so what you could say. you know, they all have people around them. he promotes a lot of controversial and divisive notions through his website. calling it alt-right may be a compliment. now this could matter if president trump starts taking positions that deny rights and play to intolerance. let's discuss the potential with senior editor of "the washington post," and author of "trump revealed" mark fisher and cnn political analyst and washington bureau chief of the daily beast, jackie kucinich. mark, jason miller, spokesperson for president-elect trump said people like me are pushing division by being skeptical, and critical about what bannon could represent. do you agree? >> well, you know, donald trump is a guy who has two voices coming at him at all times. and he's now putting this into action in the white house. so you have this gift to the establishment in the form of reince priebus.

and you have this flame thrower, even hate monger stephen bannon. this is quite typical of the way trump operates. we saw this just the other day with the tweet over the protests in portland. one minute he's being provocative, even offensive, and then just hours later he's being conciliatory and gracious. and i think what he's setting up is a presidency in which there will be this battle royal between those two forces that have been so dominant throughout his life. >> so jackie, it becomes the question of which voice wins and when. donald trump has been said to pay particular attention to put up the last voice in the room, whoever he's been meeting with last. frankly look at his shift on obamacare that came after he spent 90 minutes in the room with president obama. saying all right i'm going to consider these things. so whose voice wins in that battle royale? >> if you're an establishment republican you're keeping your fingers crossed that it's reince priebus. when you were seeing reaction to these two hires come out last

night, no one in the republican establishment was mentioning bannon. oh, yay, reince priebus, chief of staff. it's a great choice. on the question of bannon it's been crickets. because of his divisive stances, because of some of the things he's said. these are republicans in elected office are going to have to comment on him. he is going to have power because he has the -- the president-elect's ear. so, you know, no matter the team of rivals, saying that donald trump has set out, the focus really should be on bannon because of the things that he's said in the past. you have to hold that to account. >> all right, let's talk about policy. and it is not unusual for presidents to say one thing when they're campaigning for the position and another once they get in. what is your take, though, mark in terms of what we've seen with let's take for example one of the things last night, "60 minutes" that gay marriage is settled law, according to donald trump. but, roe v. wade is not settled law, according to donald trump. here's some sound.

>> will you appoint -- are you looking to appoint a justice who wants to overturn roe v. wade? >> so here's what's going to happen. i'm -- i'm pro-life. the judges will be pro-life. if it ever were overturned it would go back to the states. -- >> but then -- >> it would go back to the states. >> some women won't be able to get an abortion. >> no it will go back to the states. >> by state -- >> perhaps they'll have to go to another state. >> now obviously both of these current precedents are called stare decisis, the law within the eyes of the supreme court but what do you make about this moving back and forth that we're seeing with trump? typical or is it a deeper read? >> this is classic trump. he's trying to make everyone happy. at the same time he's trying to maintain his reputation as a bomb thrower, provocateur, and he wants to make deals. so he considers himself a consummate dealmaker. what we're seeing is what may look on the surface like a wholesale withdrawal from some of the more outrageous promises

that he may have made during the campaign. donald trump never took those promises literally. he told us that when he was at the rallies and saying all kinds of provocative things he was looking out at the camera bank, looking out to see if that red light was on on the camera that meant he was live on cnn or another network. and he said he would say whatever it took to keep that red light on. and he's kind of surprised, almost shocked, that people took those statements literally. and clearly, he does not. >> he also talked on "60 minutes" last night about how he would deal with social media. let's listen to him, because he's right. it was incredibly effective for him in the campaign. but, the game changes when you're president. listen. >> i'm not saying i love it. but it does get the word out. when you give me a bad story, or when you give me an inaccurate story, or when somebody other than you in another network or whatever because of course cbs

would never do anything like that, right, i have a method of fighting back. that's very -- >> but you're going to do that as president? >> i'm going to do very restrained, if i use it at all, i'm going to be very restrained. i find it tremendous. it's a modern form of communication. there should be nothing it should be ashamed of. it's -- it's where it's at. >> okay. after that interview, jackie, on friday, he sent three mean tweets. i mean that is what they are. he called "the new york times" dishonest, bad coverage, highly inaccurate. as president, how do you walk that line between the sort of open communication with the public, but at the same time acting presidential? because let's not forget this comes from the candidate who threatened to multiple times open up libel laws to make it easier for him and other people to sue the media. >> well, donald trump's words have never mattered as much as they do now, as the president-elect. and it's something that he's going to have to adjust to. listen, we're in new terrain.

i mean, we never have had this discussed. well how is the president going to moderate his social media presence. this hasn't really been in the conversation. and someone who is so committed to that. i mean, the other thing that company has used social media for is to be very reactionary to world events. he cannot do that as president. that could create all sorts of problems that would have global ramifications. so, as far as his team, can get that into his head or try to control that, they probably should. because this could be -- some of these things that he said you really can't take back. >> all right, guys. thank you very much. we appreciate it. what is your take at home? tweet us@new day or post your comment on our facebook page facebook.com/newday. this election, i don't need to tell you this is one for the history books you know that. cnn has the inside scoop like no other network including a revelation about donald trump and who he would have endorsed had his campaign ended. stay tuned.

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administration starting to take shape. the president-elect making his first white house staff hyers. you got rnc head reince priebus as chief of staff. and controversial campaign ceo steve bannon, the head of breitbart, the chief strategist and senior counselor. trump softening some stances in a "60 minutes" interview. he says his wall along the mexican border might be a fence in spots. his plans on keeping some of the affordable care act now seems to be even more real. a big victory for iraqi forces in the battle for mosul. they captured the village of nimrud an ancient archaeological site. the runs were later destroyed by the terrorists. authorities expect arson as wild fires rage out of control in the south evacuations are under way. thousands of firefighters battling high winds and drought conditions. the moon have you seen it? holy cow what a super moon.

it's not own full, it's rotating closer to the earth this morning. it's what scientists call a super moon. promises to be the largest and brightest sighting of the moon in nearly 70 years. since i was just a child. for more on the five things to know go to newday.cnn.com for the latest. poppy? >> you're younger than i think you are. >> 79. >> 79 and still going. all right this election one for the history books. the cnn politics, of course, there for the wild ride capturing every unexpected turn and compiling it all into a first-ever book titled unprecedented the lebz that changed everything. it includes a major revelation about donald trump in the early days of the campaign before he thought he would be president, our dana bash, cnn's chief political correspondent is with us for more. so he made a deal with chris christie back in the day? >> well, this is -- i should say susan bair who reported a lot of things for this special book that's going to come out at the

beginning of cement was told that in 2015 towards the beginning of the trump kae candidacy, he told his very good friend chris christie who was also a candidate for president that he didn't think he was going to make it past october of that year. and if and when that happened, when he got out, he would endorse chris christie. so that's sort of says a lot about, like you said, the fact that it's not just a surprise to everybody, you know -- on the democratic side that hillary clinton is not president. it was something that he didn't even think he was going to do much into the 2016 year never mind get the republican nomination, and win the white house. so it also kind of helps explain why when chris christie got out, he immediately endorsed his friend donald trump, to everyone's surprise. >> and a lot of criticism. >> a lot of criticism. >> right he did it and he stood by him and worked really hard with him during the general election. >> he did. and got this big job at the head

of the transition team until mike pence replaced him that week and now chris christie has the cloud of bridgegate over him. where does he go in a trump administration? >> it's still unclear. the people on the web who i've been talking to say do not count him out to have some kind of role in the trump administration. our evan perez is saying that there is still an fbi investigation under way. it hasn't been completely wrapped up. that could play a role with regard to bridgegate that you were talking about. but donald trump is nothing if not loyal. we saw that with our former colleague corey lewandowski. he, when he was trump's campaign manager he got into a little bit of trouble, and any other politician would have thrown him under the bus and donald trump did not. >> right. >> and you know, you can sort of tell that story a lot of times over with different people. so, sort of a long way of saying, i have been told not to be surprised if chris christie does end up with some kind of job. the question is whether or not it would be one that requires

senate confirmation. >> yeah. >> and by the way he's not alone in that. some other sort of longtime trump aides and advisers might have a tougher time than others. >> or he will just have trump's ear from the outset. >> exactly. or even inside. >> thank you for the reporting. you can get more cnn behind-the-scenes coverage of this wild campaign along with never before seen photography, all the twists and turns, order "unprecedented: the election that changed everything" at cnn.com/book. chris? >> all right so the election is bringing back the debate over the electoral college. who benefits from it the most. is it fair? should we still have it? what do you think? let's give you some facts. next. no matter how the markets change... at t. rowe price... our disciplined approach remains. global markets may be uncertain... but you can feel confident in our investment experience around the world. call us or your advisor... t. rowe price. invest with confidence. our customer is a our 21-year-old female.

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donald trump is moving towards the white house with a big victory in the electoral college. but he is losing the popular vote. at latest count now many are asking is the electoral college still the best way to elect the president? for more we're joined by historian and professor at princeton and author of the fierce urgency of now. thank you for being with us, my friend. look, the electoral college is what it is. this is the way it works, whether you like it or not. donald trump addressed it in his interview with "60 minutes." let's show that. >> you tweeted once that the electoral college is a disaster for democracy. >> i do. >> do you still think it's

rigged? >> i think the electoral college -- look i won with the electoral college. >> exactly. but do you think it's rigged? >> yeah, some of the election locations are. some of the system is. i -- >> even though you won you're saying that? >> well, i mean i'm not going to change my mind just because i won. but, i would rather see it where you went with simple votes. >> simple votes, meaning the popular vote. all right so let's discuss. what do you say? tell us again why do we have the electoral college? what was it designed to do. >> it was really designed originally to protect the slave states. >> how so? >> many historians agree that there was a fear that the slave states would not have as much of a population in the end, as larger states, and so this was a compromise that was undertaken to support the slave states. >> and how -- >> tell us how was it supposed to work? >> originally you were going to have the lecters meet and they

were going to vote for the president, basically. and the top two people would be the president, and the vice president. this was not popular democracy. this was having electors from the state actually take that decision on their own hands. >> so times have certainly changed. as you know the electoral college can be abolished. something happened in maryland this week they voted on tuesday to approve a system that basically would give their electoral votes to the president who won the popular vote. now for this to actually be implemented a majority of the states need to pass something similar. we're nowhere near that yet. do you think that modern times are changing enough where we will see, say in you know two, three elections from now, a popular vote as the driver of who wins? >> i'm dubious. you either need a constitutional amendment or you need a contusional convention. both are very difficult processes. we've had moments when there's this debate to change to a system of direct voting. the most recent was after 2000, and the bush v. gore decision.

everyone said okay now we're going to switch to popular voting. but it fizzled. people like the status quo. and now, people from small states defend the system, because they realize it could really diminish their clout if we move to a different system. >> important distinction. so if everybody went massachusetts, and created their own law that says we're not going to give the electors to anybody except the person who wins the overall popular vote, would that be constitutional? or would it be something that would be overwritten? >> no, we could change the system. i do think it will have to be a national change. right now there's actually an effort called the national popular vote initiative. >> right. >> where states are trying to make this decision. but ultimately, i think you're going to need a constitutional amendment, if you want something that's going to stick. and that's a difficult process. >> does it make sense in this day and age? the electoral college? regardless of how hard it is to change do you think it makes sense, given the context you just gave us of why it was created? >> i think we're in an era where a national vote would make a lot

more sense. >> but people argue then the middle of the country loses. that your big population centers along the east coast, a little bit in the southeast and west they would dominate and they're usually more left than right. >> i think it's hard right now to have a discrepancy where someone can win the popular vote like this, and not be the president of the united states, and this system disempowers, in some ways big states like california, or new york, which are more diverse, which are more fleuristic, which really look a lot more like what the nation is about. and they don't have the same kind of clout. the small states are already protected in the senate. the senate was designed to protect small states. every state has two senators. so we don't need this on top of it to add that protection. >> one other quick question the electors. so this is not a direct democracy. it's an indirect democracy. you vote and you're really voting for your state's electors and they get together december 19th. what do they have to do? what can they do? >> they're supposed to vote for whoever won the vote in their state. occasionally we have what's

called faithless electors. that's someone who votes for a different candidate. we had that in 1968 when a george wallace supporter in north carolina voted for george wallace instead of richard nixon. it's unclear what happens when they do that. they're not supposed to. but the law's very ambiguous and so there's room. but there's not a lot of sense that you're going to see that en masse because it would upset the system that we have. >> the system as we know it will it change we'll see julian zell zer. stay with us. but there's so much more to it. here's how benefiber® works. inside us are trillions of good microflora that support digestive health. the prebiotic fiber in benefiber® nourishes them... and what helps them, helps you. clear, taste-free, benefiber®.

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time for the good stuff. you're about to meet a teenager from new mexico with an appetite for giving. all right it all started when dillon began asking his mom to pack two lunches. kids are so spoiled today. turns out what he was doing was trying to help a friend whose mom lost her job and couldn't even afford food. >> if you can't be nice -- >> he's got a big heart. it really touched me. >> jossette and dillon even gave the school cash to help kids in need reminding us to always pay it forward. boy, oh, boy, she should be proud of the son she has raised. >> absolutely no question. all right, time for some late night laughs from "saturday

night life" embracing the tension some people are feeling since donald trump has been elected. take a look. >> we've actually elected an internet troll as our president. -- on both sides. all my black friends who have money saying the same thing when trump got elected. that's it, bro, i'm out. i'm leaving the country. you coming with us? no i'm good, dog, i'm going to stay here and get this tax break to see how it works out. because that's how it is being david chappelle. first time i got some money didn't work out like that. most unlikely thing happened ever, a black president came out of nowhere like come on, everybody, let's start thinking about everyone else. i just got this [ bleep ] money. >> on thursday trump went to the white house and showed us how brave he is by meeting face-to-face with the man who founded isis.

>> and yet "snl" most notable this weekend for what wasn't funny. the poignancy that they applied to the election of what it should mean for all of us. >> and no donald trump impersonation. not one. >> where was alec baldwin? he's probably in east hampton where he lives. but i wonder why he wasn't on. lshtd a lot of news this morning. some big appointments by the president clinton. what do they mean for you? there it is. the face that makes everyone smile. "newsroom" with carol costello. >> oh, that did make me smile. that's hard to do on a monday. thanks, have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. and good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. angry protests boil up in american cities. six whole days after donald trump wins the white house. [ chanting ] >> thousands pour into the