donald trump say figure you are a lobbyist, we may not have you on this transition team. >> stay engaged. we need you. america needs you. that's how we get through this. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> welcome to your "new day." chris is off and john berman is here. the trump team says they're starting to do it. anyone who works as a lobbyist before must show a termination of lobbying reform and if you leave the government job, there will be now a five-year lobbying ban. >> this as we're learning some new information about who may be on the short list for cabinet posts, including some surprising names being considered. let's go first to cnn's sunlen serfaty live here at trump tower in new york. good morning. >> good morning. the trump team trying to reign in and reclaim the narrative around their transition right now. not only reports of the

infighting but reports that their transition team was stacked with d.c. insiders and lobbyists. now making this big announcement today, this ban on lobbyists would apply to not only their transition team, but to those being vetted for a potential trump administration. really trying here to return to one of the core elements that ignited his campaign as promised he would clean up washington. president-elect donald trump's transition team now moving to uphold this campaign promise. >> we are going to drain the swamp. >> reporter: unveiling a new lobbying ban. requiring anyone under consideration for a job in the trump administration to sign a written pledge to terminate their lobbying. and when they leave office, they will be banned from being a lobbyist for five years. >> we talked about draining the swamp, this is one of the first steps. >> reporter: as they make headway on some aspects of the transition, other parts are still slow moving. trump's team has not yet

contacted the pentagon, state department or other federal agencies to inform them about the transition. with major washington agencies saying, they're still left in the dark. but trump's team says they're moving forward on this today. ready to announce their so-called landing teams made up of transition staff that will deploy and interact with the department of justice, state defense and national security with other agencies to follow. >> i think we made tremendous progress in giving the president-elect some ideas about how to move forward with his core team and potential members of his cabinet. >> reporter: today in trump tower, a flurry of meetings lined up for the president-elect. including south carolina's governor nikki haley, a former trump detractor -- >> that's not who we want as president. >> reporter: now under consideration for secretary of state. meantime, new reports suggest that jared kushner, ivanka trump's husband, could wind up with top national security clearance and become a key

adviser to trump. trump team's rejecting over nepotism. >> jared has, obviously, been a very important part of this campaign and he's someone that the president-elect trusts very much. what that role is, like anyone else, is going to be up to the president-elect. >> reporter: the transition team continuing to dispute reports of internal disarray and infighting. >> it's false to say it's not going well. >> reporter: this as the head of the transition, vice president elect mike pence sat down with joe biden wednesday. biden promising his successor he will be available 24/7 for advice. >> no administration is ready on day one. we weren't ready on day one. but i'm confident on day one everything will be goin good hands. >> reporter: later today president-elect will meet with abe at trump tower. this is his very first face-to-face meeting with a world leader since becoming the

president-elect. >> sunlen, thank you very much. here to discuss everything this morning is part of donald trump's transition team, former u.s. congressman from michigan and former chairman of the house intelligence committee peter, possible cia director. good morning, congressman. >> hey, good morning. >> do you want the job as cia director? >> i'd take the job, if mr. trump decided that someone with my kind of background and experience is what he wanted in the job. this is a decision that mr. trump and the transition team will make and i will just kind of wait until they make that decision. >> of course you will. have they reached out to you? >> yeah. i've talked to people in the campaign about the transition team on a regular basis about a number of different things. i'm not going to get into any specifics about what we have talked about and what we have not talked about. >> for the record, are you part

of the transition team? >> at this point in time, i'm an informal adviser to the transition team and we're kind of working through the details as to what role i may play in the transition team, as well. >> okay. so, a lot that is undecided. let's talk about some of the things that if you were to be named cia director what your policy would be. if you were the head of the cia, would you use waterboarding as a tactic as donald trump has said he would like to? >> well, i think, you know, number one if you move into the cia and those types of things the responsibility the cia, the responsibility of the national security apparatus is to, you know, provide this president with the direction and the options that he needs to keep america safe. gathering the intelligence and those types of things to develop a level of confidence with the american people and develop a working relationship with the house and the senate. >> yeah.

>> and specific questions as to waterboarding and all of those types of things, congress has spoken on that. at this point in time, you can't do it. if there was a decision to move in another direction and to perhaps do that, that would be a process that you would have to work through with congress and you'd probably do it in, you'd probably do it in secret and you wouldn't do it through the public process. >> are you personally comfortable with using waterboarding as a tactic? >> you know, i was part of the gang of eight back in 2004. when republicans and democrats on the hill were briefed about this practice. it never took place while i was on the gang of eight. you know, but at that point in time we as a gang of eight. republicans and democrats supported president bush using those tactics at specific times where he would inform the congress as to when he would be

using it. like i said, he never came to us and asked to use it while i was there. you know, so, moving forward in the future, that's a hypothetical and we'll get there -- >> no, it's not hypothetical. i'm actually asking what your position is. you have a position. what i hear you saying is that you were part of the gang that supported using it. you would be okay with it. >> i was part of the gang, which included nancy pelosi and others that supported that back in 2003/2004. >> do you still support it? >> well, again, you have to take a look at specifically what is going on and what the circumstances are at any given situation as to where, where you would use it. i think that this will be a clear discussion between this administration and congress to develop a long-term strategy in terms of how do we get the information that a president and a congress needs to make the right decision to keep america

safe. >> okay. next question. now that it has been confirmed that russia did intervene in the u.s. election, what should the u.s. and president-elect trump's response be? >> they should -- number one, we shouldn't tell the russians that we are going to retaliate. one of these days maybe the russians will wake up and they will be taking a look at something and they'll say, wow, i wonder what happened here. how did this happen and they'll be left wondering whether it was the united states or some hacking group or whether it was something else that caused a problem within the u.s. or, excuse me, within russia. you don't send signals as to what you are going to do. there may be direct discussions between this president and mr. putin. there are a number of options, but what you don't do is you don't telegraph to the russians

and to others exactly what you may or may not do. cyberspace right now is a new, is a new battlefield where the rules have not been very well defined. the boundaries haven't been very well set. and that, those boundaries, those rules are going to be set probably during this next administration. >> congressman hoekstra, thank you so much for being on "new day." nice to talk to you. >> great. thank you. >> let's get over to john. you were talking about russia. russia is withdrawing from the international criminal court. russian president vladimir putin ordered this move. a spokesman for his foreign ministry claims the icc failed to meet expectations and never became a truly independent international authority. philippines president duturte is vowing to pull out. he wants to join a new world order headed by russia and china. the engineer of that train that crashed in hoboken, new jersey, suffered from an

undiagnosed case of sleep apnea. they're considering that possibility as they work to determine just what caused thomas gallagher to speed up. the 18-year veteran has no memory of the crash. the crash killed a woman standing on the platform and injured about 100 passengers back in september. heart-pounding video out of florida. a big brother jumps into action as his 11-month-old brother falls from a changing table. he caught the baby before he could hit the ground. sign that kid up. their mother said she turned her back for just a second when this all happened. the 9-year-old said he's not a hero, he's wrong. he's just doing what any big brother would have done. >> look at those reflexes. >> i hope my sons are watching this. >> that is wonderful. what a great big brother. president obama is in germany on his foreign farewell tour talking to angela merkel and other world lezersaders abo his successor.

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chancellor angela merkel. this is part of his final international trip as president tomorrow. going to be joined by other world leaders and part of the conversation will undoubtedly be about the incoming president, president-elect donald trump. joining us now from berlin, hopefully, is white house press secretary josh earnest. josh, do we have you with us? >> yeah, john, can you hear me? >> i can hear you and you look good zoomed in and zoomed out. josh earnest, let me ask you this. president obama has called angela merkel his closest partner, really, on the international stage. so, what is the message he's bringing to his closest partner during this time which is truly a unique time in american history? >> well, john y think the message for angela merkel is that the american people are committed to a strong relationship between our two countries. we made our citizens safer. by coordinating effectively together we have enhanced

prosperity throughout our countries and we also advanced our interests around the world. the president is hopeful that that long bipartisan track record of close cooperation between the u.s. and germany will continue into the next administration. >> he's hopeful, but the question is, does he expect it to happen, josh? much of the last year president obama has spent saying that donald trump wasn't qualified to be president and for much of the last year he has been reassuring world leaders who have been asking that he didn't think donald trump would win. now, donald trump is the president-elect. he did win the election. so, is it an odd position to be in for president obama to be traveling the world right now, essentially, serving the sort of ambassador for president-elect trump. trying to convince world leaders that everything is going to be okay. >> the election didn't turn out the way we had hoped it would. but the president has responsibilities to advance the interest of the american people

in every single possible way he can. that is what he has done throughout the first seven years and ten months of his presidency and that's what he is going to do for the last two months. what policies president-elect trump decides to do and what president obama will speak to today is how the united states and germany have been able to advance our interests by working together. and we have done that in the field of national security and the united states and germany are close partners when it comes to sharing intelligence. that enhanced the security of the american people and enhanced the security here. there are strong ties between businesses in germany and businesses in the united states and that has expanded prosperity for both our countries and workers in both our countries. those are just two examples of how the united states and germany have been able to work effectively together and based on the relationship he has built. hopefully president trump when he takes office will take it from here, but that will be up to him. he will certainly have a high standard to live up to. but, you know, the american

people have entrusted him with the responsibility of preserving and advancing that relationship for the next four years. >> you have been on this foreign trip for a few days. can you speak to what concerns or questions you have heard from greece first and now germany about the incoming president. >> well, listen, john, based on the rhetoric of the campaign trail there continue to be a lot of questions about what kind of policies president-elect trump will pursue. only he and his team can speak to those. what president obama, the message that president obama is here to deliver is that the united states is vested in and has benefitted from strong relationships with our allies in europe. we enhanced our national security, we have strengthened our economy. you recall when president obama took office eight years ago the global economy was in a freefall. no country around the world was facing a tougher challenge than we were in the united states. the u.s. economy lost 800,000 jobs the first month in office. by making the right investments early on in his domestic policy, our economy has recovered and

our currently our economy is going through the longest streak of private sector job growth in our nation's history. that is a testament to the policies we put in place. it would not have been possible without strong relationships with countries around the world. >> as the president does travel the world and reassures foreign leaders about the next four years in this country, there is also the question about how people feel in the united states. last night for the first time since yshe conceded we heard frm hillary clinton. i want to hear about that. >> there are also children that are afraid today. like the little girl i met in nevada who started to cry when she told me how scared she was that her parents would be taken away from her and deported. no child should have to live with fear like that. no child should be afraid to go to school because they're latino or african-american or muslim or because they have a disability. we should protect our children and help them love themselves and love others. >> so, now after the election, josh, what is your message to

that little girl or other people who might be afraid? >> well, john, president obama's had an opportunity to speak to this a little bit himself. and certainly while he has served in office, he has recognized the responsibility that the american president has. to make every american citizen feel included in our country's future. that they have a stake in our country's future and to make clear president obama's belief and our collective belief that our country is stronger when every citizen in our country has an opportunity to contribute to the success of our country. whether that's serving our military. whether that is pursuing the kind of entrepreneurial spirit that is built in to the dna of the american people. that makes our country stronger. that makes our economy stronger and expands prosperity and opportunity to every american. president obama has made clear throughout his presidency that every american citizen has a place in this country and has a place in this country's future. the kind of tone that we have

heard from president-elect trump and his few public appearances since his election seem to hint at a possible change in tone from the kind of rhetoric we saw so frequently on the campaign trail. that is only something president-elect trump can speak to in terms of how he chooses to govern the country and how he chooses to fulfill the critically important symbolic responsibility of being a president who's interested in looking out for every single american. >> josh, i want to talk to you about you right now and what many people are considering this morning an abuse of power. how you, the white house press secretary, chose to call vin scully to alert him that he was being awarded the presidential m m medal of freedom. >> every year the president gives out the presidential medal of freedom. >> oh, yes. >> the highest civilian honor that any president can give. this year he's going to give it to you. >> oh, my gosh. no. >> yes.

so, you've had -- >> are you sure? i'm just an old baseball announcer. >> i heard that so many times over the last few hours and i love it. you are a huge baseball fan. what was that moment like for you? >> it was a real thrill. and it was one of the highlights of my tenure here at the white house. having the opportunity to call vin scully and inform him of the significant honor that the president had decided he should receive. and, you know, i call him mr. sculley, i called him mr. scully in the phone call and he corrected me and told me i should call him vin. he is someone who has inspired baseball fans and a true gentlemen and that contribution he has made to our country is worthy of the highest recognition and president obama is looking forward to welcoming him to the white house next week and i'm looking forward to meeting him in person for the first time. >> josh earnest, thank you for

being with us from berlin. appreciate it. >> thanks a lot, john. take care, man. so new york city mayor bill de blasio met with president-elect donald trump in a closed door meeting yesterday. what did they say to each other? we speak live to the mayor straight ahead. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine.

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she never said that. she congratulated the president-elect at a conference last week. she condemned the ugly rhetoric of the campaign and discussed employee reactions to the election, but turns out not everything you read on the internet is real. >> i'm sorry, what? >> not everything you read on the internet is real. >> do we have an alert graphic for that. i'm on that, christine. thank you for that news flash. donald trump has scheduled a couple meetings with his critics. he meets today with south carolina governor nikki haley who has called trump an angry voice during the campaign and yesterday he met with our next guest mayor bill de blasio of new york city. how contentious was that meeting yesterday? >> it was candid, obviously. real differences. >> i heard you say that. very candid meeting. what did that sound like inside? >> look, i think it was important for me to explain to him how fearful people are in this city, in this country that

not just the rhetoric, but some of the policies proposed literally have people wondering whether their family members might be deported and whether because of their religion they are going to be discriminated against. there is a sense that,er of course we don't know what he's going to do in practice, but if you take the word seriously, this changes the nature of this country and people are feeling it very, very personally. >> did he understand that? >> i'm not going to characterize his position. it was a substantive discussion and because it was a lengthy discussion i'm hopeful that a lot of the give and fake really registered. i think the proof will be in the pudding. the question is, okay, there is that rhetoric and it was shocking to a lot of us and unacceptable in the context of the american democracy. now, he's going to get to do things. and the actions will tell us who he really is. >> one of the things he has said he is going to do is deport criminal undocumented immigrants. in other words, people who commit crimes. what's -- do you disagree with that? >> no, that was part of the

discussion. look, new york city already cooperates fully with the immigration authorities regarding anyone who has committed a series of substantial crimes. anything involving violence, terrorism, major drug offenses. what we are concerned about, some very petty crimes, nonviolent crimes where this becomes a more complicated issue. because what we do not want to do is be in the business of our police forces being effectively immigration enforcers. and talked to police chiefs around the country, they'll tell you this. once people believe in the community that the police are there to effectively be immigration agents, the police lose their bond with a huge number of people in this country. not just those who are undocumented, that's almost 12 million people, but all their family members and community members and then the police can't do their job of keeping us safe. >> got it. you feel you need these people. so, you do not feel strongly about deporting people for petty crimes that are nonviolent? >> exactly. >> okay. that is why new york and chicago

and other places, one of the reasons, are considered sanctuary cities. >> yeah, and alisyn, i think that term has been misused in many cases. the bottom line here is we've got a lot of people in this country who are part of our communities. the vast majority undocumented immigrants and all immigrants are law abiding and going about their work. we see them all the time in workplaces, on the bus, on the subway. we don't know who is documented and undocumented, obviously. we do not want to create a situation where there is a rift that people fear to come forward about a crime. if someone witnesses a crime and they are undocumented, we want them coming to the police and telling us about it. we don't want a situation where they fear if they give information to the police they will be deported. >> what happened when you made that case to donald trump? >> i won't characterize his position, but there was a real back and forth. again, a candid and open conversation.

part of what i'm appealing to here is i'm trying to help donald trump understand the voices of the people in his city. he loves new york city. i want him to understand 8.5 million people i represent what their lives are like and what their fears are in this situation and that he understands not, get out of the transition bubble at this point. i can only imagine all these dealing with. imagine the people in the city and what they're going through and think about that before he announces policies going forward. >> having that conversation with him yesterday, do you still feel he is dangerous and uniquely unqualified as you said about him during the campaign? >> nothing i have said previously that i rescind, again, because the proof will be in the pudding. here is a guy who said a lot of things that were very hurtful and very troubling. if he's going to govern differently, okay, show us that. again, i will give him credit if we had a real meeting, that's important. it's important to listen to critics. it's important to listen to people who don't think like you and he did that to his credit.

but in the end, all we know is what he talked about in the campaign. he gave osvision and i was very clear why i thought it was a troubling vision and why for my 8.5 million constituents it does not work. >> the southern poverty law center said they have recorded at least 400 alleged hate crimes since tuesday's election. are you seeing an uptick in new york city? >> yeah, we are. i don't think we have enough of a history yet to know the true effect. is it true that some of the rhetoric that we heard in the election has emboldened people to come out with hate speech in some cases acts of hate? yes, i don't doubt that for a moment. is it true that many, many people are fearful that they will be attacked now. it's so visceral, alisyn. so many people are feeling immigrants of all kinds, that they are going to be singled out and attacked. latinos, obviously, because of what he said about mexican

americans. so many people feel that it now going to be open season. >> so, there is fear of it, which i get. but you don't know, necessarily, that -- there are isolated incidents at the moment. >> yes. >> now, of course, there are also trump supporters who have been attacked in new york. >> yes. look, that is not acceptable either. what we have to do is figure out how we are going to heal the wounds after this very, very tough election. let's face it, this was an election like we've never seen before. there has to be a period of healing. now, the president-elect has a chance to do that. first in word, ultimately in deed. i think the selection of his team also becomes crucial here. obviously, many people, myself included, have raised concerns of mr. bannon as someone who adds to people's fears. and i think the president-elect needs to think about a team that would actually be reassuring. >> did you tell him that? >> yes, of course. >> what do you do? steve bannon has already been chosen. >> look, a lot of things happen in transitions. i think when people look at someone associated with a

website that has been divisive and extremist and, obviously, has talked about white nationalism, for example. there's a chance for the president-elect to rethink that person's role. >> but you said those words to him? >> i said to him that i thought mr. bannon was sending a very wrong message and did not belong. >> what did he say? >> again, i'm not going to characterize his position. but i do appreciate that there was a candid discussion. >> and we appreciate you coming in, mayor. thanks so much for being on "new day." >> you're welcome. a whole laud of candid there. what does it mean for governing in this country going forward and does donald trump have a mandate? we'll discuss coming up.

new york's mayor bill de blasio just moments ago on "new day" to keep new york city a sanctuary city but donald trump has promised stiff financial consequences for cities that do that. can mayors realistically defy this order. i want to bring in ben ferguson as a conservative commentator and host of "benferri ferguson a . sanctuary cities which means they are not going to go after illegal or undocumented immigrants. just because they are undocumented immigrants in the city. you can see a lot of the cities and a lot are in states that voted for hillary clinton. so, christine quinn, you spent a lot of time in city government. what is the effect of all this? cities saying essentially

president, what will be president trump, we're not going to do what you tell us to do. >> first, i want to make clear that this move of cities saying to the federal government, let's be clear on the dynamic here. it's cities saying our employees, a city or a state, won't do the federal government's job. we're not going to when people come to an emergency room ask for their citizenship status. we are not going to turn people over to ins. we as cities have every right and this has been held up in numerous federal courts and i've written legislation myself that de dictates how our employees in new york act. and it's been held up. we're allowed to do this. not like we're disregarding the federal government, we don't have to do it for them. i also want to clear up misinformation that has been out there during the election. no city is saying a violent

criminal should stay. and when we did something around this when i was speaker, we dictated in tremendous details on the legislation what crimes would not be part of this. who had to go. terrorist watch lists, dpagang lists, violent felonies and we picked out misdemeanors that we thought were of the violent nature. this isn't, hello, come on in, criminals. and move on in and screw up america. it's not that. but if donald trump comes in -- >> talk to the victims. hold on, let me jump in here. talk to those -- you have been talking for a long time. you have been talking for a long time. >> not really that long. it's morning television. it couldn't possibly be that long. this is an effort, this is an effort to help keep families together. what mr. trump is proposing to do will literally -- and i've seen it before. let's be clear, president obama made the mistake and ripped families apart. >> your turn. >> there you go. >> first of all, you have an

issue here with pevictims of people who commit crimes. what she is describing here is unrealistically. you can't have a sanctuary city and reinforce the city at the sime. you are choosing to defy and say to the federal government, we are not going to enforce the laws. for her to say they don't ask people about their stats and somehow that's compassionate. not compassionate to those who are victims of crimes who are in that sanctuary cities when they don't do a background check to catch somebody or warrants out when they catch somebody. the bigger issue here is this. we have federal laws that say that you are not supposed to be in this country illegally and if you come here illegally, then you are working and taking jobs away from american citizens. so, these mayors that say, oh, i'm going to not do these things. i'm not going to turn over someone when we find out that they're here illegally. they deserve to get their federal funds taken away from their city. if they want to pay for this. if these mayors want to actually have a city where they lose

federal funding, that's their choice and that's their decision. when there are victims of individuals who are here illegally who commit heinous crimes and to not check them or turn them over to i.c.e., to the federal government and defy federal laws, you don't get to do that as a mayor if you're a good mayor. if you're a rogue mayor, then do it. but most american citizens do not like rogue mayors. >> the thing is, i just want to turn this conversation a little bit, if i can. >> but, john, he's misstating what we do. i want to be clear, in new york city if someone gets rush under to an emergency room and they are bleeding, i think it is wrong to not fix them. >> that's not what i'm talking about -- i agree with you. >> i let you go on and on and on. two, we are not talking about violent criminals. when we -- >> how do you know if you don't check them? >> i'm talking. can you be quiet. we are going to have to do this for four years.

calm yourself down and get a little manners. two, when people get arrested in new york and our legislation at we check. a whole long list of crimes, we turn them over to i.c.e. but if the only reason they are there is because they jumped the turnstyle and they're undocumented, we're not going to. mr. ferguson may not fully understand all the dynamices and i think this is a complicated issue that is getting boiled down to rhetoric. >> when you're not dealing with violent criminals. they are undocumented immigrants, is that enough for the federal government to withhold federal funds to these cities? >> the law says, yes, it is. you can't just pick and choose which crimes you are going to enforce or which laws are broken you're going to enforce. you either have to have enforcement of the law or rogue

mayors. if you talk to law enforcement -- >> ben, hang on. now it is my turn. i just want to get one last question because this is one thing i'm keenly interested in. ben, do you think donald trump or how far do you think donald trump's mandate is right now on this issue or any issue? the popular vote right now hillary clinton is leading by a million votes and that number could go up as high as 2 million. how far should donald trump push in general, ben? >> well, look, when you win the presidency, in my opinion, you have a mandate. you won. you can argue -- losers always argue over the popular vote and saying he didn't get as many votes as we did. he has a congress and a senate that are also with the republican party. so, simply put, donald trump has a mandate here and the american people decide they want him to be president. i don't really care about what losers say about, oh, we got more votes in this place or that place. he has a clear mandate. >> christine, has to be really quick. >> john, i'm sorry, mr. ferguson

is wrong about the funding issue. there's clear court cases that say you cannot take away federal money not related to what is going on. >> hang, on, guys, we have to go. >> you can do it on drunk driving and streets. it is not money relevant to this. >> let's hit the books and go to the library and check this out. we will continue this discussion very soon. >> thank you. >> nice to introduce you two and look forward to the next four years. alisyn? donald trump's son-in-law was a central figure of the campaign as well as now the transition. it sounds like he will be for the new administration. what do we know about jared kushner? that's next. when heartburn hits, fight back fast with tums smoothies. it starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue. and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum -tum -tum -tum smoothies! only from tums

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he is a central figure in president-elect donald trump's transition. maybe the central figure. but what do we really know about jared kushner? the husband of ivanka seems like he could possibly play a big role in the coming administration. cnn's brian todd takes a look. >> tell us how the transition is

going? >> at the center of what sources have called infighting and confusion in the trump transition team is a 35-year-old with a rich and tortured bloodline and no government experience. jared kushner, donald trump's son-in-law, is said by sources to be rubbing trump allies the wrong way with a hand in purging the transition team of people connected to new jersey governor chris christie. one of those is former congressman mike rogers. who advised the transition team on national security. now, rogers is out. >> i think they just weren't comfortable with those folks that had been brought on by mr. christie and wanted to go in a different direction. so they did. >> reporter: now the trump team is pushing back hard on the reporting that kushner's in the middle of a so-called knife fight inside the transition. campaign officials telling cnn kushner is well liked, an asset to the team. that he's helping to put the administration together. but ultimately donald trump has the final say. >> i think we're going to be okay. this is just the choppy waters, getting into the bay. >> reporter: one source familiar with the transition tells cnn

the idea that kushner single handedly pushed all the christie people out is overblown. but the source admits the fact that the christie people are gone pleases kushner. back in 2004, christie, then a u.s. attorney in new jersey, prosecuted kushner's father charles, a billionaire real estate developer. >> federal criminal tax violations. >> reporter: charles kushner was accused of illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion and other violations. it became a shakespearean drama with charles kushner's own relatives, including a sister, turning against him. in a sordid revenge plot charles kushner hired a prostitute to lure his sister's husband into having sex in a motel room. the encounter was taped and charles kushner sent the tape to his sister. it didn't work. charles kushner pleaded guilty to multiple counts and was sentenced to two years in prison. now, there's speculation that trump, as president, might help out the elder kushner. >> perhaps he might pardon jared kushner's father charles who has a felony record, and that prevents him from doing some sorts of business deals he wants

to be doing. >> reporter: a trump spokeswoman says that's never been discussed. one source close to the trump transition team tells cnn jared kushner had nothing to do with pushing out chris christie's allies. kushner himself did not comment for our story. brian todd, cnn, washington. >> so what role will jared kushner play in trump's administration? let's discuss. entertainment writer for the new york observer, new york observer is owned by jared kushner. nice to see you again. >> thank you so much for having me. >> so jared kushner is a pivotal player. he was during the campaign. he is during the transition and he may be in the white house. he's basically your boss. >> yeah. >> so from how he has run the new york observer, what do you think he brings to the table? >> it's interesting to sort of see what's happened to the new york observer over the past few years. definitely leaned more conservative as it has in the past after the election it was announced that the paper edition of the observer would be shutting down. >> the paper would be shutting down but still exist online.

was that modernizing or because of some mismanagement? what reason was given? >> i think paper media, print media is suffering across the board. i have to just imagine it's moving forward. >> what do you know about jared kushner and just in terms of his style, and what -- which way he leans on issues and what's the buzz around the newsroom about him? >> the main concern that interests me now is he's jewish and the appointment of steve bannon sent a red flag across the country. steve bannon, who is the editor or founder or breitbart news which is a white nationalist leaning organization with explicit anti-semitic ties, it's astounding to me that someone like jared would be comfortable working with him on a team. >> we've tried to look into any sort of anti-semitic statements or comments or actions by steve bannon and they're hard to find. there was one head line on

breitbart that called bill kristol renegade jew but beyond that there have been people coming forward to say that steve bannon is not an anti-semite. in fact that he had long defended israel. famed law professor alan dershowitz, who happens to be jewish of course, is defending steve bannon. he says he has a very good relationship with the jewish community, the zionist organization of america put out a statement saying bannon has fought anti-semitism, stood up for israel. so do you know something that these folks don't? >> well, to correct a misconception, i think being pro-israel and pro-zionist isn't the same as not being anti-semitic. i think nationalist people and organizations sort of have leaned in the sense that every race and nationality deserves their own place. a pro-zionist leaning doesn't mean someone isn't anti-semitic. i have seen the people who come

out of breitbart, the people who are its readers, and made extreme by his rhetoric, those are the people who send me threats. those are the people who tell me i don't belong in this country. >> so you've personally felt the effect of some of the breitbart stories? >> the self-identifying alt-right. the people who identify as alt-right by and large are are racist but also vile. >> you felt so strongly about some of this. after donald trump in july retweeted a picture of hillary clinton and what many perceived to be a jewish star, you felt so strongly that you wrote an open letter to jared kushner, i'll just read a portion of it. you said your father-in-law's repeated accidental winks to the white supremacist community perhaps a savvy political strategy if these neo-nazis are considered a sizable voting bloc. i haven't done my research, but when you stand silent and smiling in the background, his jewish son-in-law, you're giving the most hateful supporters tacit approval.

then jared kushner responded. he wrote an editorial in the new york observer on july 6th and i'll read a portion of it. in my opinion, accusations like racist and anti-semite are being thrown around with carelessness. i have personally seen my father-in-law embrace people of all racial and religious backgrounds in his company and his personal life. were you satisfied then that jared kushner's response to your open letter? >> i wasn't. i was hopeful that mr. kushner and his role in the administration would press mr. trump into a more tolerant and accepting position. but like you quoted the people who called steve bannon a friend of the jews, but you could also just as easily have listened to the kkk, or the american nazi party, who are calling steve saying steve bannon is our guy. >> yes, i mean and that's complicated because he's not a part of those groups. they happen to support him. so is he responsible for the people that support him? >> i think that's sort of a tricky question.

actions speak louder than words and when the kkk is holding a victory rally you have to wonder why this candidate is an ally to the kkk and not their enemy. i would want a candidate that the kkd sees as an enemy. >> thank you so much for coming in. >> thank you. >> we're following a lot of news this morning. let's get to it. >> beginning of any transition like this has turmoil. >> the president-elect looked very happy with how the transition is going. >> no administration is ready on day one. we weren't ready on day one. >> someone the president-elect trusts very much. >> he says i almost unleashed my twitter account against you, and i still may. >> we are going to drain the swamp. >> we're not going to have any lobbyists at all. >> when you bring in the outsider in the end you get a better product. >> america is worth it. believe in our country. fight for our values, and never, ever give up. >> this is "new day" with chris

cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your new day, it is thursday, november 17th. donald trump's transition team taking steps to continue one of the most popular campaign promises and that is to drain the swamp in washington. so anyone who has worked as a lobbyist before most show a quote termination of lobbying form, lobbying for cabin posts and if you leave a government job, it will now be a five-year lobbying ban. >> lots going on, the trump transition team has yet to officially contact some federal agencies including the pentagon and we are learning this morning of some surprising names, including one time trump skeptics names of folks being considered for key cabinet posts. let's go first to sunlen serfaty outside trump tower in new york city. good morning. >> the trump team trying to rein in and reclaim the narrative around their transition, not only of the infighting but of the original reports that the

original transition team was stacked with d.c. insiders and lobbyists, taking the move today announcing this lobbying ban. really trying to return to where the core issues that really ignited donald trump as a candidate and his promise to clean up washington. president-elect donald trump's transition team now moving to uphold this campaign promise. >> we are going to drain the swamp. >> unveiling a new lobbying ban. requiring anyone under consideration for a job in the trump administration to sign a written pledge to terminate their lobbying. and when they leave office they will be banned from being a lobbyist for five years. >> you talk about draining the swamp this is one of the first steps. >> but as they make headway on some aspects of the transition, other parts are still slow moving. trump's team has not yet contacted the pentagon, state department, or other federal agencies to inform them about the transition. with major washington