tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN November 30, 2016 9:00pm-10:01pm PST
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thinks she can work with president-elect donald trump. and how her side lost the election. ahead no word on secretary of state but list down to four. other appointments coming in. jim acosta with the latest. you were in new york city restaurant whis pirg to me on the phone before, you paid your bill and able to leave. what is the latest on the meeting? >> reporter: we did pay our bill for the record. but looked like as picking up forks buried the hatchet at the dinner. it was warm and friendly exchange. and the question now is whether or not this was enough to get mitt romney the job of secretary of state. i talked to a transition source who described the meeting as net positive. if you calculate how things went
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last night and subtract all the negative comments romney had on trump over the last year but detractors like huckabee and -- talking about romney eating crow and groveling at donald trump's feet. perhaps the critics of mitt romney have been satisfied but no final decision made. >> number of appointments made today. >> steven mnuchin, the finance chair for the campaign was tapped as treasury secretary. wuhl burr ross is billionaire tapped for commerce. and todd ricketts from the wealthy family in chicago that owns the cubs. it's giving some americans i'm sure a sense that donald trump is putting together not a taechl rivals but the super rich and should also point out another name floated, sarah palin talked
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about as potentially secretary of veterans affairs but told by sources that may be coming mor perfect her camp than the transition team. >> donald trump tweeted he's leafing his business operations to avoid conflicts but did he give more details? >> just pulling out of his business. no talk of a blind trust. says will be talking about this in news conference on december 15th with his children. what has not been resolved how all of it is handled and whether the children have role in the presidency. also conflicts of interest. but meetings with foreign leaders as we've seen during this transition process and constitution still says donald trump can't accept gifts from
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foreign governments. technically can be impeached for that. waiting to hear from the press conference. >> choice of secretary drawing -- warren, senator warren i spoke shortly before air. senator warren early you said the pick of steven mnuchin should send shivers down the spine of some no one who worked in finance at that time be eligible? that's not the point. wall street bankers crashed economy. got bailed out and nobody went to jail. that made the american people really furious. still angry about it. donald trump tapped into that anger and he promised when he was running for president that he would break the connection between wall street and this
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congress. he said he was going to separate that from the government. no more revolving door. wasn't going to do that sort of thing. then what does he do? turns around and picks a guy who had actually been one of the people who helped do all of those lousy mortgages, broke economy and broke millions of families. and after the crash, a guy who turned around and bought a bank that then became infamous for how hard it squeezed families that had already been cheated. and was the foreclosure machine following that. you know, the american people, this is a guy who also said that -- today, he wants to roll back the wall street regulations. american people are furious over what wall street has done. they don't want somebody who is going to come in here and say,
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hey, let's help wall street. and what donald trump is doing is he's literally handing the keys to the treasury over to a wall street banker who helped cause the crash. >> noouchen speaking with him and ross, said only two people in the financial crisis issued licenses by the government. been in the business of regional banking and understand what it is to make loans. donald trump talked about not wanting washington insiders, can argue he never held a government post. isn't donald trump doing what he promised? >> no he promised he was not going to have a government that worked for wall street. promised he was not going to have a revolving door. he criticized how close the connection is between wall street and this government. and he promised that he was
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going to stand on the side of the american people. he was not going to stand with wall street. then he turns around and first big economic appointment is to appoint a wall street insider, a guy who made millions of dollars off mortgages that crushed families financially. that's who he's putting in charge here. >> do you approve of any of the cabinet picks to date? >> today he gist talked about having the u.s. attorney down and i think parit is a terrific guy. maybe turn out he'll have an appointment. >> but no one he's selected so far? >> look, so far what we have seen is donald trump has doubled down on racism and bigotry. got strategic adviser a person who is white supremacist. and he's -- >> there's no evidence he's a
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white supremacist. there are people who have white supremacist who support donald trump and brietbart and steve bannon. >> come on, are we really? steve bannon has associated himself with white supremacists will you go that far. >> i don't know that you can say he's a white supremacist. >> associated himself with them. this is a guy whose appointment is applauded by kkk. what donald trump is doing is putting -- so far he's said he's going to go forward on bigotry and wall street insiders. and -- i think this is a real problem for the american people. i don't think this is where the american people want to go. >> weeks ago you called on donald trump to get rid of lobbyists in transition teams and subsequently purged lobbyists. give him any credit? >> of course. i'm glad to see got rid of
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lobbyists or made them drop affiliation while there. not clear on the details. of course. it's better not using lobbyists and would be even better if not using wall street insiders to run the economic system of the united states. >> is there a chance for common ground between you and other democrats and trump administration? infrastructure spending, opposition to tpp, glass steagall law, these and other issues? >> think the real question is how does donald trump want to run his administration? if he wants to run his administration on bigotry and on wall street insiders, trickle downeconomics that help a handful at top and leaves everybody else behind, i can't be part of that and i don't think that's where democrats are. >> even if there's certain
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issues you agree with and can make progress on? a lot of americans are sick of gridlock. >> i think a lot of americans are sick of a government that works for those at the top. i think donald trump tapped into that anger and now doing 180 degrees on it and putting wall street insiders into exactly the jobs where he criticized wall street insiders before. we need people in the government here who work on behalf of the american people, who aren't caught up in a wall street mentality and certainly not people who made their fortune by turning families upside down on lousy mortgages that tricked and trapped people. >> you asked the governmental accountabilities office to look into donald trump's potential conflicts of interest. and earlier today said he would take steps to separate himself from the business operations of the company. what would be enough from your
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perspective? is him maintaining ownership okay? legally doesn't have to have a blind trust. >> look the question is how is he really going to separate himself? i'm glad to hear he's said going to move in that direction. i think he was feeling heat about that and felt like he needed to respond but the devil is in the details. is he really going to have a separation where he doesn't know what advances trump interests and foreign governments for example don't know what would advance trump interests. if they both know what advance trump interests, this isn't about formal ownership but whether or not you've got a conflict of interest, whether or not donald trump is actually working for the american people or just working for trump enterprises. >> what are the carrier deal? don't know details about how it came about, company announced would keep a thousand jobs in
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indiana. is that a step in the right direction? why isn't that something president obama could have done? >> jobs are good. question is what exactly is the deal. first thing you learn talking about deals, let's read the fine print. how much government money gone into this, what kind of jobs are they? i want to know the details. you just don't know enough yet to know about this. >> ask about the recount efforts by jill stein. do you support this? she offers no evidence of fraud. admits has no evidence. potential hacking the fbi is investigating. is this necessary? >> well, look, i think that important for all of us to have confidence in the electoral system -- >> but is she raising doubts unfairly about the system? >> how is it raising doubts to
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do an audit? if they reaudit, here are the numbers, double and triple checked them and absolutely positively sure, i don't see how it raises doubts but raises confidence. >> a harvard professor said that recounts in the law stein is most likely doing this to gain attention in his opinion. raising millions of dollars and building mailing lists of those who donate? >> if what she's going to do is say double and triple check the numbers and people want to contribute they should be able to. should boost confidence in the system. i would like to know that every vote in america was counted and every one gets counted. that helps on credibility overall. >> looking at election was secretary clinton the wrong candidate of the moment? could senator sanders have won?
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clear she's prepared to wage battle with the trump administration come january. here's part two of my exclusive interview with the senator. looking back at the election was secretary clinton simply the wrong candidate. could senator sanders have possibly won? >> this is not about looking backwards. this is about what we're going to do now. let's keep in mind that secretary clinton got about 2.3 million more votes than donald trump. and democrats took seats in both the house and senate away from republicans. so i think what happens next is how it is that we drive forward on a message about economic growth and actually come up with the ideas and work for the american people? we've had enough of republican trickle down economics works for the people at the top and doesn't work for anyone else we need to make this economy work. >> as democrats it is disingenuous to say you are in
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-- not going look back. obviously will look closely to happen. many of the candidates you backed lost. to many democrats the party seems in disarray. what is your message to those who didn't vote for donald trump about the next four years? how are you approaching the next four years? and i guess it goes back to the question of common ground. you are essentially saying even if there are areas that t.p.p., glass-steagall, infrastructure, that you might agree with donald trump on, are you saying you will not work with him on those issues? >> no. what i have said and what i'll say about how we go forward is you start with core principles. and i think it means to be a democrat is that we believe in respect and dignity for every human being. and i also believe that it means we believe in building economic opportunity. not just for those at the top but economic opportunity for everyone. i think those are the principles on which the democratic party
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stands and those are the principles on which we'll go forward. >> but there are also politics obviously involved and you as a party and you as a senator have to figure out, you know, do you confront every step of the way? do you work with? do you reach a hand across the aisle when you think there are issues you can do good on? >> look, i've been doing that for the four years i've been here. i have worked with republicans -- i have worked with republicans on different bills. right now we've got a 21st century cures act on the floor. i took to the floor on monday to talk about how terrible i thought that bill was. and at least there is some good in it. the bill is now better than it was. >> so would you be willing to work with the trump administration? >> this is part of what we do. like i said, it depends on what's happening here. if donald trump wants to run an administration based on bigotry, and he wants to follow through on trickle down economics, run an economy that only works for
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those at the top and doesn't work for anyone else, then i can't help on that. those are not the things that i stand for and i think those are not the things that democrats stand for. >> so even if there is more infrastructure spending, which you support in general, if it's not done in the way -- if it is done -- lowering tax or corporative incentives. >> if it is done to try to help those at the top and it is not going to provide jobs and economic growth and opportunity for the rest of america. you know you can't just slap a name on something and say gee would you automatically sign up for this? what it's really about are those corps principles. you know we believe in dignity for every one. that's what it's about. that is where you start. that is stuff you don't negotiate over. and the rest of it, we really believe in building economic opportunity. we now have an economy that is working great. it is working great for those right at the top. and everybody else in this economy is being left behind.
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this isn't just about the poor. this is about working families. this is about middle class families. this is about upper middle class families. this is about people who worry that they can't afford to educate their children. this is about people who worry that they can't afford to retire. this is about people who see no economic future for themselves and others like themselves. we have to do better than that as a country. we once built on america that worked, not just for those at the top. it worked across a full range. we weren't perfect. but we were bending it in the right direction. and for 30 years now we've done trickle down economics. and it has been an ugly mix of deregulation and just writing one law after another that helps those at the top. tax cuts for the big guys, no spending for anybody else. we have to reverse that. >> when you look at that
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electoral map, this is my final question, there is blue on both coasts basically. and there is a lot of red in the entire rest of the country. do you feel like you are out of touch? that is what republicans say about you, that you are out of touch. >> out of touch when 2.3 million more people voted for the democratic candidate than the republican candidate. when the democrats picked up seats in the senate and the republicans lost. when the democrats picked up seats in the house of representatives and the republicans lost. you know, let's be clear. we are not the minority here. we are the party of opposition, yes. >> but it sounds like you are saying you won. but you didn't. so what went wrong? >> look, what i'm saying is that more americans agreed on -- with the democratic candidate for president than agreed with the republican for president. and not by a little bit. she won by a substantial margin indeed as the numbers keep coming in. that margin continues to grow.
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>> but you are talking about an economic message that is not resonating with voters in rust belt states. even the term rust belt is offensive. but in those states where people are hurting, your message is not resonating. >> that's what i was just talking about. we're talking about an economy that for more than 30 years has been effectively a trickle down economy. this economy has been full of deregulation so wall street could do better. and what's happening? donald trump is turning around and appointing the ultimate wall street insider. i think he's called mr. wall street, to come in and have the keys to the treasury. we need an economy that works across the range, that produces good jobs, produces a future. >> but it sounds like you are telling those workers -- >> increases opportunity all across the range. >> sorry to interrupt. sounds like you are telling those workers who are out of jobs who voted for donald trump and in ohio and other spaces that they were just mistaken. they were sold a bill of goods or they just don't understand what's in their best interest.
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>> i'm sorry anderson, did you just hear what we said about donald trump? he promised he was going to run this government for the american people and not for wall street. and what he's just done is he's just put a wall streeter in charge of the treasury. and not just a random one. a guy who actually helped package all of those toxic mortgages. a guy who bought a bank that made its fortune by squeezing people hard on foreclosure. that is the person who's going to be the chief economic officer of the united states. donald trump is the man who said one thing during the campaign and now has reversed that by 180 degrees by what he is actually doing. >> senator warren, appreciate your time. thank you. >> you bet. >> lots to talk about with the
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panel. peter beinart. careen jean pierre. kir citizen power -- keir citizen powers. and kayleigh mcenany. alex burns and alice stewart. peter, it is difficult obviously a position for the democrats to be in and for senator warren. now the democrats trying to figure out are they now just the party of opposition? do they try to find common ground with donald trump and the republicans? because there are some issues where they theoretically could? >> i don't think there are going to be a lot frankly. even if you look at the trump infrastructure, given what we know of the trump plan. basically a give away of tax incentives to wealthy developers rather than government money, i don't think there is going to be a lot of overlap but i do think that elizabeth warren has an opportunity because she's an authentic populist. for her entire career has been in genuine opposition to the powers that be in the american financial corporate system. donald trump is a sham populous.
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a bogus populist. a guy who made all kind of claims how much he hates goldman sachs in his campaign and lo and behold, he's got a treasury secretary from goldman sachs and senior counsel from gold man sakz. warren has opportunity because she's real and he's a fake. >> is he going back on campaign promises? >> yes it's easy i to answer. stepping on the goldman sachs thing for a second. their stocks went up 3% today. why? they have access to the white house now. three executives will be part of the cabinet. and i think yes. he was supposed to be a man of the people. he was supposed to make sure that, you know, there wasn't going to be a revolving door and he's doing the complete opposite of what he promised his own supporters the last, you know, 18 months. >> kayleigh is this a betrayal. >> no i don't think so at all. just because someone has goldman
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sachs on their resume doesn't mean they are a bad wall street person who should never be qualified to run anything in government. solely because they happen to work at a certain organization or bank. so no. just because he appointed people that have this as part of their pedigree. that doesn't mean they are not going to implement the policies that he promised. namely the fact they are going to be tax breaks for all. he's going remedy the trade imbalances and quickly to peter's point, you say that elizabeth warren is an authentic populist and i find it hard to believe that when she was pushed on hillary clinton by anderson and never pointed out the fact that the dnc rigged the election in favor of the hillary clinton. i think you should then have the guts to stand up for bernie sanders if you were that populist. powers that be shouldn't have suppressed him and his supporters for her. and for her not standing up for that, it doesn't quite ring authentically. >> what do you make of the choices he's made? >> red herring but okay.
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>> i think it is true that these people are -- he did specifically attack goldman sachs. hillary for ties to goldman sachs. ted cruz for ties to goldman sachs. claiming that goldman sachs owned ted cruz. so i think perhaps he should address this. what does this mean. but i also see your point, it does depend on what they do in terms of policies and and steve mnuchin has said it's going to be across the board tax cuts so we have to wait and see the actual policy. >> supporters of the steve minuchin is that he hasn't leld government office so he's not held as a washington insider though clearly he's a financial insider. >> there are a lot of kind of insiders american people don't care for. people in the republican primary who thought because i've only been a governor, i've never been to washington i don't count. and if you are scott walk ore the jeb bush voters see you part as the political class.
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i do think everyone is pretty much acknowledging american people don't care for wall street or people who come out of the belly of that particular beast and i do think this trump has set a pretty high bar for himself to clear in terms of how he's perceived as treating industry relative to regular people. >> they did move off the lobbyists who they had in the transition. but do you think this is a mistake to reach out to goldman sachs? >> i think these are men who are extremely accomplished in the finance and business world. they helped to craft donald trump's policy reforms he's going implement in the white house and reforms he outlined to the american people that voted for him and now he's the president elect. and for warren to be critical of their wall street insider, as she calls it. that is just experience they have coming to the table. they know how the system works. and they know how the system is rigged. >> she's very critical of minuchin's particular experience at a small bank where he took over. also. and we're going to talk more
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we've been talking about senator elizabeth warren's strong opposition to trump. she says the way the administration is coming together, he has no intention of draining the swamp as he promised. here again some of what she said a short time ago. >> he promised when he was running for president that he would break the connection between wall street and this congress. he said he was going to separate
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that from the government. no more revolving door. he wasn't going to do that sort of thing. and then what does he do? he turns around and picks a guy who had actually been one of the people who helped do all of those lousy mortgages. that not only broke the economy but broke millions of families. and then after the crash a guy who turned around and bought a bank that then became infamous for how hard it squeezed families that had already been cheated. and was the foreclosure machine following that. the american people are furious over what wall street has done. they don't want somebody who's going to come in here and say hey let's help wall street. and what donald trump is doing is he's literally handing the keys to the treasury over to a wall street banker who helped
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cause the crash. >> a lot of democrats obviously criticize republicans for just completely trying to block then president barack obama in his first term. just from the get-go. is it fair now to make the same criticism, sounds what democrats are preparing to do. whether able to do it. >> i got to tell you i'm all for it. in january of 2009 republicans met in steak house in washington and talked about how they were going to make president obama a one term president. >> but they got huge criticism from democrats at the time. that's not how we function. >> i hear you. but there is no two donald trump. there is the campaign donald trump. we see this from the cabinet picks he's chosen. >> so payback is okay. >> it is more about being part of the resistance and being part of saying to the american people have your back.
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because like elizabeth warren said 2.3 million more votes than -- >> -- you say it's having your back. to others -- >> people just want to own up to the hypocrisy that is okay. but democrat have been talking about this non stop the last eight years. that this was a strategy. so i think that it is actually a good strategy and that is what democrats saw. because what happens is the president is the one who wins if there is bipartisanship. if democrats start working with trump people say oh washington is functioning and that is good for the president. i guess it's good strategy. electoral strategy. not good for the country. >> i don't think it's hypocrisy. important difference. the question is what is the agenda the president is pushing. barack obama's agenda was basically largely taken from a republican plan in ma. his infrastructure plan had huge number of tax cut which is republicans liked and the republicans still opposed it. if donald trump comes forward with that kind of ideological
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centrist proposal on infrastructure he'll get democrat support. but if he comes up with -- >> >> is it hypocrisy? >> warren, talking about the building economic opportunities and great passion she. a if the democrats would have -- should have had those ideas in the campaign. shouldn't be looking at what these guys have done in the past but the plan for the future. and the economic plan that is on the table that donald trump has with regard to pro growth tax, unleashing american energy. renegotiating trade deals and looking at bilateral agreements with other countries. these are plans that will work and grow and look there are 1,000 employees at carrier in indiana who have seen the benefits of these plans. >> this is a real debate going on within the democrat party. there are folks like elizabeth warren who feel just draw the line in the sand and don't let him step across.
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there are others who see donald -- signaled that he may be among them, see donald trump as not a conventional republican. as a guy who's been extremely idealogically flexible over time. he's a negotiator. a guy who doesn't like being unpopular and doesn't particularly like, you know, facing blowback face the face -- face-to-face with people. so if you get in the room with him. the alternative theory of the case is get at the table with him and talk him into a different position or at least just appeal to his natural negotiating tendencies. >> to the point, mentioned that when you have bipartisanship, the president wins. every democrat is going face an important choice. what do you prioritize? policy or politics. if you prioritize policy and prioritize getting rid of the bad trade deals you are going to side with donald trump. on some things. if you prioritize politics you are going sit on the side lines and probably pay the debt for that. >> thank everybody.
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potential conflicts of the interest between business and the presidency are unprecedented in the upcoming administration. today trump signalled he's aware. saying i'll be holding a news conference on december 15th to discuss the fact i'll be leaving my great business in total in order to focus on running the country in order to make america great again. i'm not mandated to do this under the law but i feel is visually important as president to in no way have a conflict of interest with my various businesses. hence plans drafted to take me out of it the presidency a far more important task. joining me to discuss. michael d'antonio, author of "the truth about trump." and kayleigh mac anyone. tim you said the only way --.
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to avoid a financial conflict is insulate and isolate his kids. what do you mean by that? >> they are so deep embedded in his business. he said he would create a blind trust and leave them in charge. but it is not a blind trust if his three eldest children are involved in the business. and also his son-in-law e ivanka trump's husband. candidate for a senior advisory position. and there is going to be a conflation of information between policy making ape rat uses in the white house and trump organization deal making. and there is no real buffer being established between the children, the business and donald trump's white house activities. >> so you are saying the children if they were running the company would not be -- would have to not have any role in the white house at all or any kind of advisory role. >> correct. and they already do. they are on the transition team. ivanka trump has sat in on meetings with foreign dignitaries and diplomats. jared kushner's has already been
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an important force on the trump team. and as long as that exists there is always going to be a conflict of interest looming over the white house every step of the way on every policy decision. and it comes down to donald trump either getting a fully independent third party to run his businesses or selling them off. >> the other question is about ownership of the properties. does donald trump continue to own them? he says he's going to continue to remove himself from day to day business operations but not the ownership itself. is that enough? >> i think it is enough. american people elected him knowing he had a $10 billion brand. elected him -- >> and knowing it was a complex structure. >> and knowing the children were advisors. were going to take over the company. that was always said. my kids are going to take over. it is unprecedented and we've never seen anything like it before and that is why the onus is on donald trump to consult
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-- which reince priebus said he's going to do to ensure every step he takes is not in conflict with -- >> so to tim's point do you think that the adult children should not have an advisory role if they are running the company. >> i think they can maintain an advisory role. the special situation we set one t the clinton foundation is the onus was on her to draw the line. now the same onus is on the trump children to draw the line between their role in advising their dad and in working with the company. and i think it is doable and possible. and i think donald trump is the person who can make this work in the way the clintons did not. >> you've been focused on the overseas of trump's businesses and we don't know a lot about a lot of them. you have argued that the real estate in other countries can be swamps unto themselves using trump's words. >> absolutely. so there is nothing more political than the real estate business especially when you go
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to a place like india or turkey. and in india just about every real estate developer has his or her member of parliament. there is nothing here comparable to the clinton foundation. this is hundreds of for profit entities. >> you need to get licensing. >> zoning. there is to much in the real estate business that is political fraught and corrupt. there are so many payoffs that take place -- >> and you think the children also, if they are running cannot -- you agree with -- even if there is not approved conflict and someone is not taking money, how can you be engaged with a public official in the philippines in a real estate project but also do diplomacy with them? i just think this is incredibly complicated. and the onus is on donald trump. and he's going to have to go a little further than just saying
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it is okay. >> would it be possible for donald trump or incredibly difficult for donald trump not just to get out of business operations as he says he will do, which seems relatively easy, but to get out of actual ownership? to actually sell stuff? >> we've talked about this before and it isn't actually complex. i think i've noticed before, the media routinely says that donald trump has a vast real estate empire. it is neither vast or a empire. he has a very lucrative holding. outright independently only one commercial building in the united states. 12 golf courses. three overseas. other hotel or real estate partnerships where in many cases he's a minority investor. almost everything he does overseas are licensing operations. you could easily set up a third person, third party to oversee all of those licensing deals. and the holdings in the u.s. could be liquidated relatively painlessly.
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and trump himself has said he got into this campaign to make america great again, not to make money. and we're now at a moment where he with demonstrate that to the public. >> thanks so much. appreciate it. we'll have more on the breaking news, death toll rising in tennessee, wild fires. rain is finally falling but is it helping
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more breaking news from gatlinburg, tennessee, with the fire toll growing to seven. it could climb even higher. a lot of families say they cannot find loved ones. take a look at this video when the fire quickly spread. >> heavy fire on approach. >> more than 700 structures are destroyed or damaged so far.
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the flames have been fueled by high winds and tonight a shift in the winds which may help the firefighters. there has been some rain. has it helped? >> it's helped but it's also hurt and the reason is because you're getting this rain. of course it's been official but -- beneficial, but at the same time you have high winds that come in ahead of these storms. we've also gotten a lot of cloud-to-ground lightning. while the rain has helped contain those fires, the high wind and the lightning has helped spark a few new ones. overall, we think the number of fires have gone down dramatically. the rain has definitely helped but this area still needs much more. people have hiked up to these areas that have been charred where the fires were in areas that were no longer burning they can still feel the heat underneath their feet. and so even though the fire is out, anderson, a lot of these areas are still smouldering right under into the the ground. >> have people started to return to their homes in some areas? >> some people have. but for the majority, they
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haven't. unfortunately, tomorrow morning they are going to wake up on day three still not knowing when they can return home and if they can return home, they are not going to be sure if there's even going to be a home. as you said, the 700 or more structures have been burned. this has been a living nightmare for people who had to flee with just the shirts on their back, anderson. >> a lot of people may need help after this. jennifer, thank you so much. much more ahead including the trump deal to save carrier jobs in the u.s. the president-elect keeping a campaign promise. a success story for the incoming trump deal. (sfx: park rides, music and crowd sounds) oooh! when your pain reliever stops working, your whole day stops. (sighs sadly) try this. only aleve can stop pain for 12 hours. plus, aleve is recommended by more doctors
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thanks for joining us for a second hour of "360." last night around this hour we got word that carrier had reached a deal to keep about a thousand jobs in the u.s. it was a promise trump made early in his campaign. today, carrier confirmed it will continue to make gas furnaces in indianapolis, a move it says will save more than a thousand jobs that would have been lost to mexico. carrier released a statement, "today's announcement is possible because of the incoming administration trump and pence administration has emphasized to us its commitment to the business climate.
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