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they declierd the offer to rename the capital. the same cannot be said for that country's currency. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. i'm brian stelter, this is "reliable sources." our weekly look at the story behind the story, how the media works, how the news gets made. welcome to our viewers in the u.s. and around the world on cnn international. this year, raw, angry, shell shocked. the nation still divided after the election. is anybody trying to listen, trying to learn from voters? dan jones' project tries to do that. he'll join me to tell me what he's learned so far. also, the art of presidential lying and how president-elect trump does it very differently. my take on what to do about it. a protest described as a war zone. i'll talk to a journalist
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threatened with jail time for covering the standing rock standoff from the front lines. she says the situation is only getting worse. first, the permanent campaign. the election is over, but donald trump showed this week that his campaign is not over. he vanquished hillary clinton but still seems to need an opponent. so far he's concentrated less on democrats like nancy pelosi and elizabeth warren and more on, you guessed it, the media. his permanent campaign is against the press. this week at his first thank you rally in ohio, trump mocked the reporters in the back of the room and pretended to be a news anchor himself. >> people back there, the extremely dishonest press, there is no path to 270, there is no path. how about when a major anchor who hosted a debate started crying e when she realized that
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we won? tears. oh, tell me this isn't true. i love this stuff. should i go on with this just a little bit longer? >> trump was talking about abc's ma that radditz saying she was crying on election night. she wasn't crying. she may have gotten a little choked up talking about soldiers, but she wasn't crying. anyway, trump calling journalists dishonest, it also continued on twitter. he railed against cnn saying i thought cnn would get better after they failed so badly in their support of hillary clinton. since the election, they are worse. even earlier in the week when trump lied about millions of illegal votes affecting the popular vote, jeff zeleny asked for evidence and he responded by
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retweet i retweeting attacking. i think that user should try reporting himself. "snl" had a lot of fun with this overnight. >> kellyanne, i just retweeted the best tweet. i mean, wow, what a great, smart tweet. >> mr. trump, we're in a security briefing. >> i know. this could not made. it was from a young man named seth, 16, in high school. and i really did retweet him, seriously, this is real. >> he really did do this. >> trump fired back during the show saying that he tried watching the show but it was unwatchable, totally bias and the bald kin impersonation can't get any worse. sad. yeah, sad. his campaign is against the news media, jaurnlists, zeleny and cnn as well as the entertainment
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media. baldwin may be the perfect foil for the republican president. what are the consequences of an anti news media campaign? joining me with answers, john hughey, former editor and chief and co-author of digitalriptide.org. celina from the "new york post" and frank from the gwu and former cnn washington bureau chief. you wrote turning reporters into enemies, not just adversaries is the kind of horrific thing we expect to see in venezuela, russia or cuba, never in the united states of america. is that where we are? at the point where we have to talk about what it means to have an authoritarian as opposed to a democratic president -- >> i'm not prepared to brand him authoritarian yet, but he certainly is sounding that way. i think the point i was making in that piece is the media have had throughout our history an
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additional relationship with the president and people in power. that's our job, that's your job. the people in pourt don't like it and they have an add sarg relationship back. that's the price of admission to power. the presidents typically win points back when they throw self-deprecating humor their own way. they understand the media's jobl is to give them a hard time, hold power to account and light night makes fun of him. if he's this thin skinned now, wait until he gets into the office. it will be media around the world, every political opinion point and comedian out there. i think this is a scary thing if you've got somebody who believes people who are doing their jobs as adversaries are actually enemies and not only feels that way himself -- after all, richard nixon had an en employee's list, but engaging the public to believe that as well. >> trump has been in cincinnati. what did you make of his anti media stance, relitigating the campaign this week? >> it was meet the old trump,
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same as the new trump. it's what he does. he needs off of it. but so do his supporters. part of it is this inside joke between himself and coalition of people that voted for him. they look at this transaction between him and the media as part entertainment. i've stalked to people after these events, especially when you're sitting in the pen and people are booing you or giving you a hard time. they don't really look at us as these horrible people, but they do like that he takes us on and gives us a sharp elbow. he also forces people to watch us. it actually makes people more -- i hear a lot from people saying, yeah, i understand where he's coming from, but it doesn't make me stop watching because i think there's a value in both ways, same goes with entertainment.
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he's actually giving "snl" and cnn a higher platform by engaging with us in this manner. >> he is certainly showing cable news and "snl"s relevant. i take salena's point, partly entertainment, i love watching the rallies for that reason. i talk to international correspondents who say this is exactly what authoritarians do. i think we need to start using those words on tv to discuss the possibilities before us. what you do in an authoritarian regime is delegitimize the press. do you see some of that 457g in the weeks since trump was elected? >> i've seen a continue a asian of what he's been doing since the very beginning. the last time i spoke to you, i was stressing the concept of a demagogue and the classic techniques of a sem gog.
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one of those is you have to have a scapegoat, create the idea that someone out there is the enemy. he started with mexicans, moved to muslims. sometime in the middle of the summer he started to focus on the media. you were one of the first people to picks up on that and also the election rigging. the media was part of the election rigging. these are demagoguic techniques and you can look at them very seriously because they do smack of authoritarianism. to the point about entertainment, these rallies really have the feel of shock jock or wrestling events, and this is the first president-elect we've ever had who is in the pro wrestling hall of fame. there are elements of promotion here. i think it would be foolish to look at them in that entertaining light. i think there are serious
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attempts -- one other point, quickly, the reason he settled on the media over the mexicans and the muslims is the media poses a real threat to him. the media are the people who investigate his charitable giving. they're the ones who look at what we can learn about his tax returns. they're the people who cover the fraud trial of trump university. so it's very much in his interest to discredit the messenger for those messages. >> frank, is that what you tell your journalism students, this is the prime time to become a journalist because there's a lot to investigate? >> yeah. i tell them it's an important time to become a journalist, even though journalism is under siege, the media is so fractured and disaggregated. that's going to tell it. we're going to need people who are truth tellers, story tellers, go out on all plat 230r78s and convey real information, not fake information, not distorted information. i think the point john was
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making before is part of also what i tell these students, what you're seeing here which is really something that everybody, everybody needs to pay attention to is, if donald trump is trying to inoculate himself in advance, like giving himself a vaccine, to prevent the illness that's going to come when the media turp on his tax returns, if they get a leak on it, when they look at some of the business dealings as he's talking to foreign leaders, there are all kinds of stories you can imagine that have been written, some of them, and what he's trying to do here is inoculate himself by demonizing media, don't believe anything they say. what i'm telling those students and others and news consumers very importantly is understand what the media's job is with everybody and the media need to do their job fairly which is to hold them to account. >> i want to talk after the break about carrier, slant z your reporting about that this week. we'll take a quick break. o n the other side of this
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break, talking about trump ovn the clock. why is he waiting so long to hold a news conference. and one wondering if god sent trump to test the press? the night off. ♪make tonight a manwich night you may sometimes suffer from a dry mouth. that's why there's biotene. and biotene also comes in a handy spray.
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george w. bush met the press two days after his re-election and three days after the supreme court resolved the 2000 election. bill clinton, three days after his re-election and nine days after being voted into office in 1992. let's go back further in time. george h.w. bush held a press conference one day after being elected. ronald reagan, one day after his re-election and two days after the 1980 election. this precedent goes all the way back to jimmy carter who met the press two days after his election in 1976. that days have passed, no press conference. trump has been mostly invisible. he says he will hold a presser in mid december to talk about apparently handing over his businesses to his kids. he will see if he takes questions about being president-elect. let's bring back john hughey, salena zito and frank cesno.
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is this a made-up issue that the v voters don't care about? >> i covered the white house for this network and the associated press and interviewed several presidents. too often this conversation gets put in the context of the media wanting to have access and it sound like sour grapes or something like that. it goes much, much farther than that. this is an opportunity for the media and people can love him orr hate him. reporters who have had access, experience, to have a conversation with the president of the united states or the president-elect. what are you going to do? how do your positions measure up to your promises? how are you going to handle the tradeoffs? what do you have to say about this appointee or nominee, have an intelligent conversation that's not one way from the podium on down. i think it speaks to how you're going to be accountable, how
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you're going to engage the public and what you actually think about the access that the white house press corps is all about. >> i guess one of the big questions i keep wrestling with -- john, you've been in this business for decades. is this really new? are we in unchartered waters? sometimes journalists will overstate how unusual and unpress departmented these things are. >> yes, it is uncharted waters. it's not entirely new. in 2012 peter hamby, a former cnn correspondent wrote a piece called "did twitter kill the boys on the bus?" tafs presh into article how twitter was taking over a lot of the messaging. donald trump comes along and seizes on twitter in a whole new way. no one really saw this. this is a very aggressive use of
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twitter. it suits his style of campaigning very well because it's a one-way messaging and it's very effective to get a negative, angry narrative out. i think there's not really a response to it. it's not that it always did him good, when he went off on kai sir kahn. when he had a days' long rant on rosy o'donnell, that has hurt him. but what he has been able to do is set the conversation every morning on cable news. if you look a twitter, the microphone, cable news and the rest of social media as an amplifier, for example, "the washington post" does a surely pulitzer prize winning series on how trump's foundation is not only fraudulent in terms of
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never giving any of his own money, but actually has done some illegal things. trump is able to turn that conversation quickly into something else by talking about -- he can go into, let's take the citizenship away of flag burners. the media has to learn to seize back some of the agenda of controlling the conversation and also having impact for its hard work in real journalism. >> so much easier said than done. we saw it with carrier, using twitter. salena you just published a story this morning talking to employees at the factory, at the company, who are thrilled by this news. a lot of other folks view this as a stunt. what was your assessment after talking with these voters, specifically these employees about what happened to the plant? >> interestingly enough, none of
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the employees i talked to voted for donald trump. what was remarkable to them is they stout someone finally seas them and hears them and puts value on their work and they felt dignity in that and dignity in their work. that was really important to them. this hasn't changed their mind. they probably still wouldn't vote for him if the election was held tomorrow and their jobs were still saved. having said that, they respected what he did and respected that they were sort of a symbol of the working class, that they're making a decent living, giving them the ability to send their kids to college, own a home, maybe go on vacation once a year with their family and that someone saw them for the first time. >> symbols matter. symbols matter a lot.
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frank, you know about this. in washington president obama has sometimes acknowledged not doing a good enough job communicating his accomplishments, maybe creating symbols out of some of his accomplishments. i wonder if we're seeing president-elect trump more of a focus on creating the front page moments, even if they're just symbols, that they do matter to voters. >> i'm fond of saying so much of what politics is all about is storytelling, telling stories and connecting people and characters and conflict and resolution. donald trump is a showman. he's been telling stories on tv, crafting programs for a long time. he understands that. so did ronald reagan. trump is a master of that. something john said is critically important, how will the media manage that storytelling and still not relinquish entirely the agenda to the president-elect which becomes president which all
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presidents have tried to do, by the way, which is to seize the agenda. >> thank you all very much for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next, listening to the key aides to trump and clinton. in the next hour they're still focused on what happened before election day. what is this deeply divided nation to do? we'll talk to van jones about listening to the other side, to both sides, to all sides after a quick break. and bakes it to perfection. because making the perfect dinner isn't easy as pie but finding someone to enjoy it with sure is. marie callender's. it's time to savor. this year at t-mobile, the holidays are on us!
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breaking news. terrible news from oakland, california, where the death toll is rising in friday night's warehouse fire. police and fire department officials just held a press conference there announcing the death toll is now 24. authorities are still searching for more victims. and they do expect the death toll to rise further. as you know, up until now the death toll had been nine.
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two dozen reported missing. authorities are working on the list of the missing trying to recover more bodies from the fire. we'll have more throughout the day here. live updates throughout the day here on cnn. turning back to "reliable sources," blaming the media. there's been a lot of this since election day. but i'm most interested in what the media, individual writers, reporters, anchors, bosses are learning from this disorienting ear. there's been a lot of talk about soul searching. is it really happening? are media types doing enough listening and learning from voters? i mean trump and clinton and johnson and stein voters. listening is why i'm intrigued by van jones' new project. he's been sitting with voters asking questions. here is what one family of obama supporters turned trump supporters told them. >> you couldn't vote for hillary
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clinton. >> we put democrats in office and she turned around and completely forgot about us. we are what makes this world go around. we built the tanks and bombs that won these countries wars. for you to come through here and completely neglect us, we would rather vote for anybody instead of her, and all the other stuff that donald said didn't seem to make a hill of beans. she hurt us. that's what it is. here with me in new york, van jones, hosting "the messy truth" this tuesday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern. this started as a web series talking with voters before election day. why do you want to do it? what is "the messy truth?" >> themessytruth.org started with me going out and talking before the election. after the election, who do we
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put this back together. i went to gettysburg and said are we on the verge of another civil war? is this how we do civil wars, tweets instead of bullets? i was sitting with trump voters before the election and afterwards. the truth is messy. a lot of liberals think all the trump voters are a part of the alt right neo nazi camp which is not true. that's a tiny, tiny slice. there are some people delighted with that stuff and play with it. you had a lot of other voters who are like those voters. they heard those inflammatory comments from trump. they weren't delighted by them but didn't find those comments disqualifying. they didn't agree with them. they didn't find them disqualifying because they had other hurts. they did not feel democrats understood. >> when you look back at the election coverage, the year and a half plus, was there not enough of this kind of listening to normal voters?
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>> i think we'll be going back through this whole thing. the truth is messy. what i see, you have both political parties with big, big blind spots they don't want to deal with. with the democrats, they see themselves, we see ourselves as the party of the working folks, the striving, the good. but without anybody acknowledging it, there is this little camp of folks who come across as elitist, that look down on red state voters, who think republicans are dumb people. that has become acceptable in the democratic party and it makes that party disrespectful. you have the republican party who see themselves in their heart of hearts as being color blind meritocracy. that's their belief about themselves. you also have a party where a lot of racial resentment and a camp of even neo nazis have set up camp in their party. if you point it out to them,
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they get mad at you, not the neo nazis. both parties have great blind spots and virtues. they keep pointing at the other. >> on election night you had the word of the night, whitelash, used to explain what happened in t the election. race was talked around, not talked about enough. >> yes. i said it was a whitelash in part. people saw me -- i said it was a whitelash in part. i also said it was revolt against the elites. i said it was an overthrow of the pollsters. >> so i'm actually guilty of it. i'll talk about that. people hear one thing, they seize on it. don't listen to the fuller context of the answer. >> yes. and so my heart bracks is because i was reaching out to trump voters, i work with conservatives and right-wingers
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like newt gingrich but suddenly i've become the poster child for calling trump people racists. i don't think they're all racist, but i think they tolerated racist. i'm not saying you're a racist, but you tolerated it. you didn't rejected it. it hurts my feelings. >> i have people on twitter saying you're biased. that's the point. you're trying to reach people with different points of view. >> here is the thing. i'm a strong progressive, on the left side of blue toe on every issue. that's great. there are people in america on the right wing. we don't have to agree in a democracy. dictatorship we all have to agree. democracy we get to disagree. the question is can we disagree constructively so we can get to better answers? maybe i'm for government, you're for markets, can we get a public-private partnership
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better? instead we call each other names. >> let's get to the point of whether we're heading toward a new civil war. do you feel like that's where we are? there are days when i feel like we're in a cold civil war? >> i'm very afraid of where this thing is going. >> what's this thing? >> the country, this debate. rather than people feeling that, okay, republicans, you've got to do some homework now. you can't be happy that the vast majority of people of color in every state voted against you. that's got to be a problem for you. no. it's like don't talk about race. you're a race baiter. but the numbers are there. you can't have the democrats saying all trump people are terrible when, in fact, obama voters switched. what really happened, 100,000 people in three states swung the election, and many of them had voted for barack obama. surely there were some who were racially motivated.
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what about those you can't argue were racially motivated? the democrats don't want to talk about them. that's what "the messy truth" is about. >> van, great to see you. thank you for being here. coming up after the break, talking about the protests in north dakota. you may or may not have heard. protesters have been defying local authorities and freezing weather in their fight to stop construction of a cross country pipeline. is the media letting the story get buried? a reporter who almost got arrested will join me live after the break. and checking your score won't hurt your credit. oh! i'm so proud of you. well thank you. free at at discover.com/creditscorecard, even if you're not a customer.
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ust today described it. moments like this when water cannons were aimed at protesters. other times it seems to fall off the national news media's radar. it may be one of the most important civil and environmental rights stories of our time. has it been undercovered? amy goodman host 06 democracy now says yes. first, i wanted to hear from you about what happened when you were issued an arrest warrant for covering one of those skirmishes we showed. >> that's right. it was labor day weekend. what we covered was chilling. native americans came up to a site that the dakota access pipeline was excavating. the native americans didn't expect this. it was a long holiday weekend.
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the pipeline guard tsz unleashed dogs and pepper spray, they call themselves protectors, not protesters. we showed the video of a dog with its mouth and nose dripping with blood. when this video -- when we published it that night, it went viral, 14 million views on facebook. every network including cnn ran that video coverage. it wasn't five days later when we were back in new york. that the north dakota authorities issued an arrest warrant for me. a month later i continued to cover the standoff at standing rock. because i landed in bismarck, the prosecutor said what we said all along, there were no grounds to hold us. they tried to hit us with a new charge, a riot charge which could land me in jail for a month to a year. fortunately after covering more of that standoff, a judge intervened and said no, the
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prosecutor and the sheriff said they can still find another way to arrest me. what's important here is not about me. that was a message to all journalists do not come to north dakota and that's why it's so serious. most importantly, it's what's happening there on the ground, the largest unification of snayisna native americans, over 200 tribes from latin america, the united states and canada have gathered, the largest gathering in decades. right now this weekend is the final standoff. >> hundreds maybe thousands veterans arriving. monday is a new deadline. >> december 5th is the day that the army corps of engineer has said they are going to begin to clear people off the ground. then because of tremendous resistance from the tribe, peaceful resistance. they say they won't be arresting people.
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even the north dakota governor has backed off. i also hear, brian, a decision will come down today, not clear what that decision is, from the executive office, from president obama. but even the justice department has said now that they are sending observers to see. we're talking about in s subfreezing weather, native american protectors, bgz hit with roub ber bullets, water cannons, sound cannons. the violations are extreme. >> would you say democracy now, your 20th anniversary as an independent program, tries to be with the protectors? >> what we do is what all the media should do. we're there on the ground giving voice to the voiceless. so rarely are those voices heard. >> even in the day of twitter and facebook? i feel like i've been watching the protests online every day. >> you're right. we have a responsibility to bring out these images. this is a key issue and it
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should have been covered all through the election season. it's the issue of climate change. not one debate moderator raised that as a question. it is about the fate of the planet. that's what the native americans are standing up for right now. the resistance camps are overflowing, thousands of people are there right now, and they are simply saying that they want to protect their water supply, the missouri, the longest river in north america, 10 million people rely on that water. they're not just doing it for themselves but for everyone. the idea that more than 500 native americans and their allies have been arrested, many of them including the tribal chair and the pediatrician arrested for civil disobedience put in orange jumpsuits, strip searched. >> division of occupy in some ways, but in the middle of north dakota, a come pelling story. happy 20th anniversary.
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welcome back. let's tell some truths about lying. the way donald trump lies has people rethinking some of the basic premises of journalism, like the assumption that everything a president says is automatically news. when president-elect trump lies so casually, so cynically, the news isn't so much the false thing he said, it's that he felt he could go ahead and say it, go ahead and lie to you. that's the story. why does he bend and flex and twist and distort the truth? personally i'm curious because i think trump does it differently
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than last presidents. his lies are different and deserves scrutiny. look at these presidential one-liners they are infamous. >> well, i'm not a crook. >> read my lips, no new taxes. >> i did not having sexual relations with that woman. >> in the battle of iraq, the united states and our allies have prevailed. >> if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. if you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance, period. >> all of those cases are a little different. normally when presidents fbi, it's hard to prove the fbi at the time. later when the truth comes out, presidents pay a price. certainly president obama paid the price for will president trump pay a price
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for lying too? or is something broken? will voters just shrug it off? let me show you an example. something small, but revealing from trump's rally on thursday. >> we won in a landslide. that was a landslide. and we didn't have the press, the press was brutal. >> reporter: landslide is obviously untrue. it's not possible to lose the popular vote by 2.5 billion and win in a landslide. this was rightly it fact-checked all over the place like many exaggerations. 70% were rated mostly false, false, or pants on fire. this is how trump deceives people differently than past presidents have. court cases involving trump has shone that he lies when the truth is easy to disearn. that's what we're seeing now. that's why fact-checking is important. the framing is more important. take trump's promotion of the voter fraud conspiracy idea. he said on twitter i won the
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popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally. the journalists said something like trump claims he won the popular vote. i would suggest to you that better framing is trump lies again, embracing a far right wing conspiracy theory. focussing on the falsehood creates confusion and gives the lie more life. that's the wrong way to go. focussing on trump's tendency to buying the bs gets to what's really going on here. this calls for more reporting. and for reporters to show our work, to show that we know the truth. and that's why it was good on monday many reporters asked where did trump get this idea, his transition team cited a study that didn't back up his claim. the idea that millions voted illegally in november had tweets from a republican in texas who hasn't provided truth. then infowar picked up on it, you can see the headline here and spread all across the web from there. that's the best sense of how
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this came about. maybe it's wishful thinking that millions of illegal people voted. it's not untrue, it's unhinged. there's been four documented cases of voter fraud in the 2016 election. maybe there's more, but there should be evidence. there should be proof. when the president says something, however, when the president says something, a lie is given much more power. which means the press has to have the power to respond. for more on this, joining me now, the media critic for the baltimore sun. david, you wrote this week if i were more religious, i would think that god sent donald trump to test the press. is it because of a line? what do you mean buy that? >> lying is part of it. i think brian the context i was writing about was trump's use of both television and social media to run the press and speak directly to people. part of that is his lying because when he lies on twitter, he reaches 16.4 million people
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immediately. not immediately, but within the space of that tweet. now, part of that though brian, the other part of me says, is it worse that a lies comes through twitter, rather than the lying lips of a press spokesman for the president? i don't know. a lie is a lie. and i'll tell you what, i'm responding to your essay right now, not to disagreeing with it, but i think we have to absolutely do old fashioned reporting and go after the lie and expose it as a lie. now i'll tell you something else, i'm not sure he is a different liar than other presidents. you know, you have richard nixon and lyndon baines johnson, our tremendous examples of serial liars who lied and lied and lied and lyndon johnson took us into the war in vietnam on what happened in the gulf. that's certainly worse lie than anything trump's done so far,
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but -- >> was it prove that believe day? i'm not sure it was provable that day. >> no, i agree, it was not provable that day, but i'll give you an example of richard nixon when he ran against helen and douglas in 1950 for the u.s. senate. he called her communist. it was provable that she was not a communist but the press didn't do it's job and he won that election in large part of that lie. that's where he picked up the nickname tricky dick. he was a liar before he ever got to the white house. when he got to the white house. he used enormous lies to try to ewe suffer the constitutional ending in watergate. i agree, there is something different about trump's -- almost compulsion to lie. he lies and lies and lies and i think you're right when he says sometimes he lies when a lie isn't necessary. >> my favorite was the nfl. he got a letter from the nfl telling about the debate
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schedule. it was so easily provable. but you said in your column that maybe twitter can be used to beat back trumps lies. tell us how. >> and i think that may have been at my most extreme. you're more savvier about social media than i am. here's what i'm thinking, if he's going to use twitter this way, twitter is a rude, harsh, mob-mentality. trump knows how to use that. he's crafted a voice that speaks to the ugliness and the nastiness and the stark of twitter i think that's why he's so successful. he incited mob action against megyn kelly after that debate. look at how she was mobbed by it. maybe as journalists, one of the things we should do -- look, the main thing we should do, whatever medium we work in prove the lie is wrong. call up the nfl. say hey, did you send trump a letter? no, we didn't send a trump a letter, print that, done, case closed. he's a liar, but maybe on twitter, those of us who want to
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live in social media, mob him with the truth. mob his lies with the truth. >> i'm coming up on a hard break. that'll be our final thought for the day. david, great to see you, thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> and we'll see you next week. , get unlimited everything, and we'll give you $800. that's right! $800 to spend anywhere you want. plus, all season long, get awesome deals on smartphones, tablets, and accessories. hurry in to t-mobile and get your holidays on us. our mission is to produce for african women as they try to build their businesses and careers. my name is yasmin belo-osagie and i'm a co-founder at she leads africa. i definitely could not do my job without technology. this windows 10 device, the touchscreen allows you to kind of pinpoint what you're talking about.
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