>> we're looking forward to another week. >> general michael flynn and his son under investigation. >> these are very real world consequences or fake stories. >> until my family can see justice, no, there's no forgiveness. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> welcome to your "new day." president-elect donald trump hitting the road again. mr. trump's thank you tour heads to three states beginning with north carolina tonight. this as we await his final cabinet picks. >> critics are not happy with trump's latest choice for housing secretary. that will be dr. ben carson. they say he may have lived in public housing at one time, he may be a good doctor but he doesn't have any expertise that goes into a job like this. trump's national security advisor general michael flynn and his son are under scrutiny

for peddling conspiracy theories. what will flynn say about that? with just 45 days away from the inauguration, let's begin our coverage with cnn's jessica snyder live outside trump tower. >> reporter: chris, today an array of meetings at trump tower. donald trump once again hits the road to play to those crowds. his second thank you tour stop will be in fayetteville, north carolina. top advisor kellyanne conway says it is these rallies that we saw throughout the campaign season that gives the president-elect his oxygen. donald trump continuing his victory lap by visiting three more states this week. >> president-elect loves the most giving oxygen to people. >> reporter: the president-elect headed to north carolina today and on thursday he'll travel to iowa, michigan on friday. trump's team says he'll formally announce another cabinet appointment tonight. >> mad doing mattis. >> touting the credentials of

his defense secretary pick. tapping dr. ben carson to be housing secretary. >> we're excited to have dr. carson as our intended nominee. >> trump describes carson as brilliant declaring he is, quote, passionate about strengthening communities and families within those communities. some are calling carson's qualifications into question. last month a key confidante of carson's said running an agency isn't his strength. democrats claims he's woefully unqualified. flynn's son leading a conspiracy theory. the white house weighing in. >> we all hold the responsibility regardless of whether or not we are planning to serve in a government position or if one of our family members is planning to serve in a government position that we shouldn't be propagating false things that could inspire

violence. >> the white house also responding to trump's controversial phone call with taiwan's president stressing the u.s.'s commitment to the one china policy. >> some of the progress we had made in our relationship with china could be undermined by this issue flaring up. >> reporter: some of the notable names showing up here at trump tower today, exxon ceo rex tillerson. his name being thrown into the widening list for secretary of state. also d.c. mayor muriel bowser as well as former secretary of state henry kissinger. we know he just arrived back in the u.s. from china with a meeting with president xi. people still buzzing about that unexpected meeting between former vice president al gore and donald trump. the topic of conversation climate change. it's something al gore spoke with ivanka earlier before a meeting with donald trump. al gore not redeveloping much

but saying it was a lengthy and interesting discussion. >> interesting bedfellows indeed. illinois republican joining us adam kin sisinger. >> good morning. >> thanks for having me. >> let's start with the al gore meeting. you have been vocal. where do you think mr. trump is now on climate change and global warming, something that before he was elected he called a hoax? >> i don't know. it will be interesting. i think, you know, his latest statement was he thinks there's some role that humans have in that. you know, it depends what that is. i think, you know, he's shown that he's willing to look at both sides of the issue and, you know, again, we've seen and, you know, there's -- and you see this frankly every time there's a presidential race, you have a candidate and then you have a president-elect. i think, you know, with donald trump, he's had in essence the weight of the presidency on his

shoulder and it goes from, you know, running for an office and kind of having fun with it to all of a sudden realizing, man, i'm going to be president of the united states, a big deal, so i have to take these issues seriously. >> are you worried today given his position that he will try to blow up some global treaties that were moving towards, you know, work on climate change? >> no. i think he's going to do the right thing. i believe in the need to go after free energy. you also have to do it not at the cost of the u.s. economy. so there's a fine line to walk there. i think you're going to see a donald trump look at this in a very respectful and very understanding that he has an impact on the future of not just our country but the world. and, you know, i'm going to give him a lot of space to figure that out. i've been pretty impressed by what i've seen so far since the beginning of the transition. >> okay. let's talk about dr. ben carson. do you feel that he is qualified to be hud secretary? >> i'm going to leave that to donald trump. i don't know a lot about ben carson except for as he ran in the presidency. he does come from a very amazing

background, which is somebody that's really lived in public housing, worked themselves through process, became a doctor and has gone back and not just, you know, talked about being a doctor but has talked to folks about, you know, his life and been a good leader. a lot of the times when it comes to leadership of these cabinet organizations it's not as much about sitting at the desk and, you know, writing the next executive order or next thing you have to do in the administration, it's about bringing people together and outlining a vision. i think he'll do just fine at it. i think he's a great pick but ultimately that will be to the senate to confirm. i've been impressed with the president-elect's choices though. >> does it worry you that dr. carson's business manager and close friend a couple of weeks ago said this, dr. carson feels he has no government experience, he's never run a federal agency. the last thing he would want to do is take a position that could cripple the presidency? >> yeah, it's a little ironic, and i thought -- when i heard that the first time i actually said, why would you be out saying anything like that?

you never say what you never know is going to happen. so, you know, i think that's probably a line that's going to come back to be a little bit painful in this confirmation process, but i have no doubt that ben carson will be very able to handle this and will put the right people around him to make sure that -- you know, being a leader, it's all about putting people around you that make you look good and successful. >> what do you think about the choice of general michael flynn? >> you know, that's the one choice i have a little bit of concern about because, you know, i think there's been express sympathy for russia in that and there's been -- there's no doubt he's very good when it comes to talking about the fact of terror and the fact about what we have to do to isis and destroying that organization, but the russia thing concerns me a little bit. but it's mitigated by the fact, however, that donald trump has seemed to put people around him that understand like mad dog mattis that russia is a big issue and one that we can't take lightly. >> what about these tweets?

these tweets that go to conspiracy theories that he and his son have sent out from fake news sites, does that worry you? >> it does -- well, it worries me from his son's perspective. i don't know necessarily what mike flynn has or hasn't done from that. i know obviously his son is putting out the conspiracies on this pizza restaurant. it is concerning. i mean, really you look at it, when people log on to facebook or they log on to twitter and they see an outrageous headline, in many cases instead of going to the second click and the third click to find out if, in fact, it's true or corroborate it somewhere else, it zersears your mind. we saw this throughout the campaign. you log on and there's some headline about donald trump or hillary clinton that's outrageous. that has to be tied down. it's incumbent on the end user, person using facebook to find out if that story that sounds pretty outrageous actually is. nine times out of ten if it

sounds crazy, it usually is. >> that is a great rule of thumb to use, congressman. it is troubling. i mean, i hear what you're saying, when people fall for these things. what does it say? i'll read to our viewers so people understand what you're talking about in terms of his son. michael flynn jr. put out this, until pizzagate is proven to be false, it will remain a story. the left seems to forget podesta e-mails and the many, quote, e-mails tied to it. he's talking about a totally outrageous, easily debunked story of some child sex ring being operated out of a popular pizza joint in washington, d.c. not true. not a shred of truth. now -- >> right. >> -- general flynn himself retweeted two completely spurious claims about hillary clinton being connected to some child sex ring. does it show a level of gull lability or what? >> i think it's part of that. i think it's when you're in the

middle of the campaign, you have a deep desire to discredit the opponent so you see something on the internet, you feel like if you retweet it you're not the one responsible because you didn't write it. you're in essence retweeting for other people to see. when you get a government position, whether it's a u.s. congressman, whether it's national security advisor or anything else, you now have a different level of commitment to the truth that you have to hold on to because people are going to take your words and take them literally. i mean, things i've read about me, you know, in terms of involvement in the middle east and things like that, you look at this and you're like on the surface it's utterly crazy but some people believe it. >> right. congressman kinsinger, thank you so much. great to have you on new day. president obama is expected to defend his counter terrorism strategy in his speech in tampa today. he's going to speak at an air force base where combat teams have targeted groups like al qaeda and isis. for a preview on that we have cnn's athena jones live at the white house.

what do we know? >> reporter: good morning, chris. the president is going to use this last national major security speech -- last major speech on national security, i should say, to talk about his administration's record on fighting terrorism and to argue for a continuation of the current approach. we expect to hear him talk about why he believes it's still a good idea to close the military prison at guantanamo bay. this is a campaign promise he was never able to fulfill. he'll explain why he believes the ban on torture should remain in case. he'll make the case for a targeted approach to fighting terror groups like isis rather than using a large scale ground war like we've seen in previous campaigns in afghanistan and iraq. we expect he'll defend the iran nuclear deal. this is where president-elect donald trump has said he will take a different approach. during the campaign he talked about filling up the prison with more bad dudes. he talked about bringing backwater boarding which people

consider torture. now the white house says this is a speech that was in the works for a long time. it wasn't written or rewritten because donald trump won the presidency but it's still likely to be seen as a message of sorts for the incoming president. alisyn. >> athena, thank you very much for all of that. well, cnn's van jones going to battleground states that voted for donald trump to get what he calls the messy truth. why did they vote for trump when they also had voted for barack obama? van jones joins us with a preview of his cnn special next. ♪ ♪ is it a force of nature? or a sales event? the season of audi sales event is here. audi will cover your first month's lease payment on select models during the season of audi sales event.

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all right, so cnn is going to explore the messy truth about the 2016 race tonight in a special hosted by our friend van jones. van takes to the hustings and talks to people across the political spectrum about how they are feeling following this certainly divisive and unprecedented presidential race. here's a look. >> then you have trump. help me understand how even if you don't like the health care, you like trump. i just don't understand the trump part. >> you know, hillary's message was this, i'm with her. trump's message was, i'm with you. i'm with you. and that kind of stuck with us. >> trump has not necessarily

been the friendliest to american workers. he stiffed contractors. i mean, how -- help me understand how you round that corner even if you want jobs. >> there was the other side of the coin as well. you know, hillary, we couldn't trust her. you know, anybody who deletes, as i understand it, 30,000 e-mails two days after she was subpoenaed and then she takes her server and acid washes it, clears it, that to me is admitting guilt. and people in this area kind of really looked at that. >> when the tape came out, you had the "p" word, he's talking about assaulting women, that was -- that was just him and it wasn't just the foul language, it was also foul deeds. i mean, he's saying he can grab people and that type of stuff. again, if integrity is the thing -- >> comes down to the economy. >> van jones joins us now. so you were talking to your own and what did you learn? >> well, i mean, those were

two-time obama voters in a county that had been blue since i think '72 or '76 and that county flipped and that family flipped and, you know, so i needed to sit down and talk with them. they didn't like some of those inflammatory comments that trump made. they called them crap. they didn't like them. but even though they were distasteful comments on race, they weren't disqualifying for them because they had other issues that weren't being addressed. there are some trump voters, i don't care what anybody says, who were delighted by those kind of racially provocative terms you saw at the rallies, but at the same time i think there's a much, much, much bigger set of voters for whom this was a much more complicated decision. and i think those voters have not been heard from well enough yet. that's why we're doing a special tonight. >> was obamacare the tipping point for them tonight? >> that was a part of it. i think it all adds up. it was the obamacare struggles, some of which i couldn't figure out if it was exactly obamacare or health care in general they

were mad at, some of it was jobs, some of it they just didn't feel that hillary understood them and that she was there for them, that she was speaking their language and it left them open to at least trump was trying. it's kind of like, you know, you're sitting at home waiting for a date and the phone never rings. the guy that comes by, at least he shows up with flowers, you're going to go with that person. it almost felt that way. >> that he was change. maybe not have been change the way you liked it, may not have been the best kind of change that might have been available, but in this race, how many people like that did you hearsay either -- i can't go with her, she's not on the right side of us versus them or i'm thinking of voting for her but i'm not crazy about her. >> more than change. what struck me was he seemed to care. see, underneath the rage and the lock her up and all sort of stuff, if you talk long enough, you get down to the pain and nobody cares about me, they didn't reach out to me. and we put them in there and they forgot about us.

that pain is common for all the underdogs in the red states and the blue states, but now the underdogs in both states are mad at each other, but that common pain could lead to common purpose if we listen to each other better. >> let's talk about that. let's talk about that because, i mean, this election really lay bare the divisions in this country. it came as a wake-up call for people on the coasts who felt that that morning that it was a country they didn't recognize. they were shell shocked. where does this leave us? >> well, i think that for -- if you are a good coastal liberal, when you hear donald trump speak, the 5 or 10% of things he says that are really outrageous, that's all you hear. you think everybody else hears it the same way as you. so if you're going with those tough on the muslims, tough on the mexicans, tough on the black protesters, then that's what you're voting for. other people, they take that 5 or 10%, they put it to the side and they listen to the other 90% about jobs, about american greatness. they're voting on those lines. we're hearing the other lines and now we're confused.

>> so did it change your opinion. you should know, you didn't do it because it was an assignment. you did it because it was a listening tour. the idea of whitelash. now that you've gotten to talk to them about what it was for them, what do you feel? >> i still feel -- i said the whole time it was a whitelash in part. i was trying to talk about that alt right white supremacist, you know, element that frankly donald trump kept retweeting. that after you had what happened in south carolina where a young white supremacist went and killed nine african-americans and then you have donald trump retweeting people who think that way, that was terrifying for a lot of us. so i was saying, listen, there was a whitelash element. i said even that night in part, people took it. it became what it became. >> what did you mean by whitelash. explain what whitelash means. >> what whitelash means when you have a part of white working class that gets fired up in race and they begin to vote in that direction. it's happening across the west.

yeah, 50 million, 60 million trump voters, but you have that small group that is angry, that is hostile. you have to be able to talk about both them and the broader phenomenon. >> that small group, isn't that group small enough that that isn't what tipped the election for them? in other words, the people who you think are racist, how big of a voting block do you think that is? >> it is hard to know, but i've got to tell you, if you have a group out there who's trying to kill white guys and the -- obama's retweeting them, that becomes a very source of a lot of alarm for that community. >> right. at the end of the day they think about their pocketbooks first so you had white people there who it wasn't about race, it was about am i -- is it us or is it them? which side are you on? >> why do we call it the messy truth? it's messy. yes, the majority of people were willing to overlook the toxic crap voting on pocketbooks. there are a group of people excited about the toxic crap. it's messy.

>> can't wait to watch it, van. thanks so much for previewing it with us. all right. "the messy truth" tonight at 9:00 eastern and pacific only on cnn. >> okay. could fake news cause real trouble for a member of president-elect trump's team? we'll get the bottom line next. >> did you see this yet? there's a kangaroo holding this guy's dog in a headlock. so now watch what he does? got to keep your left up, kangaroo ski. then he walks away. now he trash talks the kangaroo. look at the kangaroo. he doesn't know what to do. this is what i -- can you --

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okay. here's your daily update on fake news. it has turned into real headlines as you know. it's also pull the a member of the trump transition administration under the magnifying glass. trump's national security advisor general michael flynn has peddled some conspiracy theories before via twitter. and his son, his father's chief of staff, is continuing to do

this and it's led a man to open fire at a washington, d.c., pizzeria. david gregory, where are we? >> i think this is a serious topic. it's one that can go a long way to actually eroding our democracy. you know, the news media has a lot of credibility problems right now as a result of this election and the fact that the media as a big institution is in dispute among a lot of people. but that doesn't mean that facts aren't facts and that we have to be grounded in truth. i think for -- for general flynn and his son to be out there so casually retweeting these kinds of conspiracy nonsense, this really dangerous information that can lead to violence, somebody who should know better. general flynn is in the intelligence world. ali sufan who was on with anderson who interrogated people with the fbi, who believed that jews, zionists, americans knew about 9/11.

people get killed. conspiracy theories in the middle east lead to americans to get killed. we cannot allow this to continue. >> the problem is optics. the best defense they have for the general is, well, he didn't specifically retweet the pizzagate thing. that was the son. he did the other things about sex crimes. why aren't they letting him come out, own that he shouldn't have done it so he maintains what most people say is a pretty solid bedrock of integrity. yes, he got sideways with the obama people before he left, but most people say he has a good head. >> i don't know the answer, chris. it's disturbing. the president-elect who by the way who was spreading his own nonsense spreading about people who were voting without any truth. he's going down a wrong road. flynn isn't doing any interviews

so he hasn't been out there at all. we should add into this discussion that, look, there's lots of conspiracy theories out there. we can't spend all of our time on this program debunking these things. it does become a question of that they can fall on the kind of ears, vulnerable ears that can lead people to do horrible things. that's not something that just came about in this election cycle we know but it's just something we have to be vigilant about. >> look, we just had van jones on, he has his special tonight, "the messy truth." he went to talk to real voters in ohio and pennsylvania. this is not on the top of their list. >> right. >> they want jobs, they care about their pocketbooks. we're fighting this fight because we know how important journalism is to democracy but i don't know if anybody is engaging. >> but journalism has got to be engaged in going somewhere to get some of its credibility back because we face our own problems in terms of people saying, you know what, we don't trust that you're listening to us, that you're reflecting truth, that you're too caught up in ideology

yourselves. so that's part of this whole mix. but it's also -- it's the role of citizens to make sure they're stepping out of their comfort zone and not just ordering up information on demand that validates their own world view. >> doesn't help giving it a name either. we talk about it on the show. i don't use the phrase fake news. there's no news about it. created a competitive category. if you stick to the obvious, what's true, what's a conspiracy theory, i think you're just better off. you're never going to get people to believe new because you tell them they should, you know? >> right. by the way, john hinckley jr., you know, shot the president based on some conspiracy theory in his own mind. >> look, the pizza guy, you're going to find out that this guy had something really wrong going on inside of him on one level or another. >> yeah. we can spend all of our time on this business, that's for sure, but we shouldn't have high government officials trafficking in this either. in a community of people which is social media which has all of this connected tissue.

>> david gregory, thank you for the bottom line. >> who loves the bottom line more than me? nobody. >> nobody. you are the bottom line. >> quick programming note. vice president-elect mike pence will be live on the lead. that's at 4:00 p.m. eastern. let's take a quick break. there was a mistrial declared in the former officer michael slager's murder trial. he was accused of killing walter scott. you remember the video taken by a kid with a cell phone that shaped everyone's understanding. the prosecutor vows he's going to try again. we're going to speak with the scott family. what's going on in their heads and their hearts after what that judge just had to do.

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there's been a stunning mistrial in the case of former police officer michael slager. he was caught on video repeatedly shooting walter scott. the prosecutor and scott's family saying their fight for justice is not over. we will speak with the family's attorney in a moment. first, let's go to cnn's nick valencia for the latest. >> reporter: good morning,

alisyn. this decision or lack thereof has confused a lot of people in charleston after more than five weeks long trial, days of deliberation. it was on monday afternoon that jurors handed a note over to jurors saying that they regretted to inform the court they were unable to reach eye a unanimous decision. it was supposed to be a slam dunk for the state. it was anything but. >> we are unable to come to unanimous decision. >> reporter: a mistrial declared in the case of michael slager, the white police officer who killed an unarmed blackman. video of the incident sparking outrage nationwide. former patrolman slager charged with murder of 50-year-old walter scott after firing 50 shots. >> god is my strength and i know without a doubt that he is a just god. injustice will not prevail. >> the south carolina prosecutor vowing to immediately retry the case. scott family attorneys confident

they'll get a conviction. >> we don't need to scream or shout because we know that it's coming, it's just been delayed. >> the jury deadlocked friday by one holdout who told the judge he could not in good conscience convict slager of murder. >> i cannot and will not change my mind. >> by monday a majority of the 11 white and one black jurors were undecided. the shooting caught on video by a bystander, a key piece of evidence in the case slager shot scott repeatedly from approximately 18 feet away. on the stand slager argued self-defense telling jurors the video doesn't show the full confrontation. he saw scott as a threat. >> total fear that mr. scott didn't stop, continued to come towards me. >> reporter: scott's family hoping a conviction could help heal the wounds. >> in my heart i will find the

peace to forgive michael slager for doing that until my family can see justice, no, there's no forgiveness. >> let's get reaction to the mistrial from walter scott's attorney chris stewart. thank you for joining us. this is one of those tough roles as family counsel. it's not just about your appreciation of the law but of the tremendous emotional impact that this mistrial has had on the family. how are they today? >> disappointed but determined. you know, they could come out with anger and despair, but that puts us nothing but in a cycle of anger and despair. so they're determined. >> determined for what? >> justice. you know, that was just round one. he's getting retried immediately and the d.o.j. is coming after him. >> so they look at you and they say, you understand this system. this is what you do. you're the lawyer. how did this happen? it was one thing to hear that there may have been one conscientious holdout in there, but then the reporting came out that there were more on the jury

who had a hard time figuring out what this was in terms of a crime or some justifiable act of self-defense. what did you tell them? >> well, our understanding from talking to multiple sources is it ended up still being 11-1. you know, the bright, shining light of it is that only one person who obviously ignored all of the testimony and evidence held out for their own personal reason. you can't fix that. so we're determined to go again. >> so you believe it was just one. the prosecutor says he wants to do this again. do you have any advice for the prosecutor or is the team working with you at all to go through what they did and see if they maximized it? there's been criticism for them as well. >> i think they did a phenomenal job. we were there the entire time watching the trial go on. you just sometimes can't change a person's mind who has already decided before the trial even happened. >> so you're banking on that it's 11-1 and that this was a holdout. you said the federal side. that's such a high bar to bring

federal charges in this. not only would you have to establish the different elements of the crime here, murder, voluntary manslaughter, they're federal equivalents but that slager, the officer, did what he did because walter scott was black. do you think they can meet that burden? >> you know, that's something that they're still looking into. they were there the entire time watching the state trial go on. but hopefully they'll let schuyler wilson try this thing again and that one person who held out, that that won't happen again. but you should have seen the emotion on the jury member's faces crying at the end when they had to announce that they were deadlocked. >> what did you see? >> everybody. you know, we were told that we were going to lose from the beginning because the jury was majority white, but as you can see, if it truly ends up being 11-1, that means that all of the other white jurors were with us. so we have faith. you know, no matter what color you are, you can see that what happened was murder. >> so what happened here hasn't

given the family any pause that maybe walter scott was an imminent threat to this officer because it got declared a mistrial, because somebody on the jury felt that if it's true that it was only one. is there any consideration of that possibility within the family? >> no, because we all see the tape where he's 18 feet away running for his life and getting shot in the back which every human being no matter what color you are can see unless you have already made up your mind before trial starts. >> did slager say anything on the stand that surprised you, that you hadn't anticipated as part of the defense? >> well, he continued with his lies that he told the investigators in the beginning, but that wasn't surprising either. he's fighting for his life. he had no explanation for moving the taser next to a dead body and, you know, it's shocking to the entire world that it wasn't a guilty verdict. we are not worried.

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out that there was a trump facebook page and i contacted them and asked them to remove it. initially they did not want to remove it. >> ultimately they complied. but just take us back to that moment. when you first saw it -- we're not showing the disgusting meme. we're not even characterizing it. but when you first saw it, just share with us that feeling of, oh, my god, this is on the internet now. >> i felt incredibly helpless because i've always heard that once things are on the internet, that they're there forever and there's nothing you can do, but i was determined even if it was just me alone to get it removed. >> yes. >> fortunately i had friends and family that stepped in to help. >> right. so your friends sort of flooded the zone and you -- >> yes. >> -- contacted pantsuit nation which was the facebook, you know, community that supported

hillary clinton and they had an idea for you. enter the anti-defamation league, i'm going to turn to you, jonathan. >> yes. >> when you heard about this, this mother's plea, how can i ever get something expunged from the internet, because we all know that's impossible or we all think that's impossible, what did you do? >> well, there are certainly steps you can take at the outset to examine the situation, to look at the picture, to look at who owns the rights to the picture and to start a chain of events that can certainly mitigate the problem. and step in and be a friend to the people who are being affected and empower them to do something. >> okay. so, jennifer, when you had got word that there was, in fact, something you could do, how did you feel and what did you do? >> i celebrated. i became very close with a lady named shawn from the anti-defamation league. she became my sister, my

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