nine day space shuttle mission. in 2012 president obama recognized that and all of his accomplishments by awarding the highest civilian honor, the presidential medal of freedom. for most people fame is fleeting. for john glenn it lasted a lifetime. >> and thank you so much for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening. tonight a true explorer's journey comes to an end. john glenn the first american to orbit the earth has died at the age of 95. more about his extraordinary life later tonight. also new tonight a sitting president of the united states will play a key role in a reality and on the payroll of the media company that covers him. we begin in iowa where the president elect is set to begin

speaking any moment. the latest stop on his "thank you" tour. jeff zeleny joins us on the third stop of this so called thank you tour. do we expect the same talk we've heard over the last two stops? >> anderson, we do. this is more of a backwards looking speech, at least the previous two in cincinnati and then earlier this week in north carolina have been. donald trump of course revels in his victory. i expect him to talk about how he won iowa by some 10 percentage points. one of the biggest margins in the key background states. and also will be introducing someone quite familiar to iowans. the state's long-serving governor kerry bran and mike

pence will be here as well. >> and today trump announced his pick for labor secretary. what can you tell us about him? >> anderson, we can tell you that this is a gentlemen who is the ceo of hardee's restaurant and carl's jr. restaurant. a fast food joint across the country. and in terms of labor secretary it will be someone with the least government experience in recent memory. this is someone who has opposed increasing cost of living salaries in the minimum wage. this is someone who has been strongly opposed to the affordable care act and many of the regulations in the obama administration. not surprisingly this is a conservative pick. he's a top fundraiser for this campaign. he's also known for the advertisements he ran promoting his burgers. he often would show ads of the super bowl and other things of women in bikinis eating his ham

burs. he's unapologetic about that. he says that is how people want to see it. and e someone who a is strongly against some of the regulations that the department is designed to enact. but you can expect almost certainly a confirmation here because republicans as we know control the senate. democrats can do very little to stop him although they were very critical of his announcement today, anderson. >> and in terms of the format tonight, does donald trump come out first? does the governor come out and then mike pence? do we know how it is supposed to play out. >> we're told terry brand stet will speak and then mike pence and then donald trump. you can see here. if this were in the heat of the

campaign this would be a small or average size crowd for donald trump. but when you talk to the voters, frankly, some of them have been watching with great interest what he's been doing in terms of his appointments and things. we heard so much about draining the swamp. some of these people being appointed to his cabinet don't fit that definition necessarily. i also heard earlier this evening people chanting lock her up, lock her up. that is something donald trump has not embraced. interesting watching the pivot here as his supporters see candidate trump to president elect trump. it is a difference. we'll see him speaking with the teleprompters as we have seen earlier this week in north carolina and last week in cincinnati. but we've seen a more restrained donald trump in thispost election phase. we'll see if he lives up to that tonight. >> reporter: bringing it to you on the first stop of this so called thank you tour he did go off prompter several times. we'll see if tonight less so. we'll be heading back there as

soon as the president elect begins to speak. in the meantime chuck jones, union leader does not apologize for calling trump a liar. president elect trump attacked jones last night on twitter. no wonder companies flee country. and if united workers 1999 was any good they would have kept those jobs in indiana. spend more time working and less time talking. we're joined now, what have been people saying about president elect's tweets? >> reporter: well it's been a crazy remarkable 24 hours for chuck jones. and for a lot of people here, especially those associated with carrier in the background. they see it as a really lopsided david and goliath battle here. you have to president elect criticizing what is a relatively

obscure president of a very small local here in indianapolis. chuck jones doesn't own a smart phone. he's got a flip phone. so he didn't even know president trump had tweeted anything until the phone calls just kept rolling in to him. and an avalanche of phone calls today and flowers and gifts. many calling in, certainly the ones i listened to were supporting chuck jones. thanks for supporting. and also the famous people who called in. bernie sanders called him up and said hey, again, thanks for standing up against donald trump he said now chuck jones is now the most famous labor leader in all of america. and it is not all positive. there have been a number of threats jones says he received. he laughs them off.

but most folks who take him pretty seriously. people say we know where you work, we know what you drive, and do you know where your kids where r? and chuck jones says simply i've negotiated union contracts for over 30 years. i've been threatened by the past. these guys nothing to those he's in the past. >> a lot to get to with the panels. we await donald trump to make remarks tonight. with me cnn political commentator and republican consulter margaret hoover. kirsten powers. magg maggie haberman. kayleigh mcenany. and robert rieeicreich. we heard president elect go off prompter on the first stop. more orderly in the second. what do you expect tonight? >> i --

>> some version of these two things. either hooee's going to go off prompter to some extent or. we're seeing him act every bit as donald trump the candidate did. we frequently talked about the planned pivot or the potential pivot where he was going o change his behavior. none of that has happened and that includes his tweets. his twitter behavior has been pretty familiar to what we have seen before. he's not interested in modulating or reigning in his own behavior and he clearly has something he wants to say. we may see some change once he gets into the white house and doesn't have access to his cell phone in some way. i which some anticipate will happen. but for now you are going to see somebody with a certain vision who doesn't see a problem at president elect singling out specific individuals by name. this is obviously very different doing that. pretty unusual to see someone as a candidate doing it. very unusual to see a president elect doing it.

it's unusual to see almost everything we've seen be so far. some will be probably his benefit. some isn't but he's not bending to the job so far. >> what do you think of the idea that the sitting president is going to continue to be executive producer of the celebrity apprentice? >> it's insane. i really try to pace myself in terms of outrage. but it is not just this. it is the whole conflict of interest thing. and almost outrageous and i almost feel we've been numbed a bit to how outrageous. >> it is a tv show. whereas the conflict? >> he's the president of the united states. he's elected for one job and the one job he should be doing is taking care of business of the united states and not involving himself in other things. i don't care whether it is the president or his business where there are a lot of conflicts of interest. but i think the conflicts of the interest are so outrageous when you think about what would have happened when clinton would have

been on a transition team and --. which is exactly what happened. they are working for the company. and still on the transition team and now we're hearing he's going hand it off to the children. this is problematic. >> two adult sons of -- and. >> there is nothing illegal about him doing it. which is the problem. this is totally legal for donald trump to be a producer and make money in other ways and there's always just been a precedent and propriety where presidents believe themselves to be needing to keep up a certain sense of the grandeur and just eliminate any -- >> are you saying celebrity apprentice is not grand? >> of course i'm not. >> what is going to have to happen here is the congress is going to have to pass a law or legislate and they probably won't do it until after. but this is what happens with precedents. there are some things in

american history that are just done because there is precedent and respect for the office and then they are changed because that individual believes himself to not necessarily live up to that precedent. so we have to legislate is if the going to be changed. >> if president trump start tweeting hey you should watch the celebrity apprentice tonight or starts giving a speech. >> i don't think we'll see him doing that? >> really? >> no i don't. this is an honorary position. he has no editorial say in the show. he created the show alongside mark burnett. and to say you shouldn't take any money because of it, i don't think so. and second i don't think we have to worry about nbc or the mainstream media getting any sort of favors just because he's collecting a check from nbc. i think we need to give him a

chance. this is an unprecedented situation. we have elected someone with a $10 billion brand. his kids are going to take control. let's give him a chance. we had hillary clinton got a chance. let's give donald trump the chance -- >> that's not true we never gave -- >> it's true -- >> let her respond. >> there was constant hammering of her on the clinton foundation that was never given a break or given a chance. not at all. that is not even true. i think what's so troubling about this is that we're hearing that donald trump is going to make this announcement on december 15th about how he's going handle the conflict of interest and then we get this story. like really? are you going to draw the line in the sand here and want to be the executive producer of the apprentice? it just doesn't make sense. and give him a chance? okay we were going to give him a chance to see what he says on december 15th and then we get this story. >> we're going continue the

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we are awaiting to hear from donald trump in des moines, iowa. the third stop in his "thank you" tour. i want to continue with the panel as wie await president elect trump. secretary reich, what do you make, a, of donald trump wanting -- planning, continuing to be executive producer of "the apprentice" while president of the united states and continue? >> here is a man, donald trump campaigned as if he was going to be the voice of average working people. he said over and over again that he was going to represent the silenced worker of america. actually, what has happened, he's filled his administration with nominees who are millionaire, multi millionaires and billionaires and appointed the most anti-worker secretary

of labor in modern history. i've racked my brain today to try to find any modern labor secretary who was so obviously and adamantly against things such as the minimum wage or time and a half overtime, hours, the labor laws, basic labor regul regulations. there is nobody. a fellow ronald reagan briefly appointed got in trouble with the law. had some legal problems, is very anti-labor but is nothing compared to this nominee. and donald trump seems basically to be unfazed by the fact that he's filling all of these cabinet positions with people who dislike the very purpose of the department they are in. a secretary of education who hates public education. an attorney general who is against the voting rights act. a housing and urban development

secretary who is against the fair housing laws. what are we doing here? this is not just right wing. this is almost nooilsiihilistic. >> does it concern you on the business side and the latest notion of remaining executive producer of celebrity apprentice? >> i think the biggest problem with all of these conflicts of interest is not only that they might actually change his mind on particular policies that have a bearing upon the public interest or at least warp his perspective but they also reduce public confidence in thes of of the presidency. and that is i think the core issue here. he doesn't care about public confidence in the office of the presidency. he cares mostly, at least as he's shown himself. he cares about himself, his

power, his dominance, about humiliating others and maintaining that dominance. but the office of the presidency is a sacred trust. and reducing public confidence in that office, making that office almost a vulgar, kind of a vulgar and demeaning position is a long term cost potentially to this country. and this society. and frankly, i don't think donald trump cares. >> kayleigh, is this demeaning to the office of the president of the united states to be executive producer of a tv show? >> not at all because he's not an executive producer per se making decisions. he's receiving a paycheck because integral to the creation of the show. >> he's executive producer credit. >> he's getting the credit and paycheck. he's making no decisions and having no role in what the final product looks like. look, when secretary clinton came in to be confirmed there was a lot of worries about the clinton foundation, can she handle it. she promised a lot of lines in

between her work and the work as secretary. she blurred the line. donald trump could be the guy who comes in and can handle the fact that yes he's got ownership here or there but he's not making the day to day decisions. let's give him the same chance we gave to secretary clinton. and to secretary reich i think that was really unfair how you characterized the cabinet picks. jeff sessions is a great guy. he's not against the voting rights act. i think the pick today mr. puzder is a guy who cares about the cashier the same way as the business owners. he buys into the philosophy, the conservative philosophy when you raise the minimum wage you inhibit jobs. just because you raise the minimum wage doesn't -- >> he's anti-worker because he's anti-worker. the department of labor came into his restaurants and found that after of his restaurants had wage and hour violations

that violated the laws of the united states. do you think that is pro worker. >> i think he's pro worker in that he cares about the cashier same as the business owner. this is a man who's treated me fairly, who i enjoy working for. >> you think it is pro work tore have a salary every year. that his -- pro worker to have a salary every year. his average weekly paycheck is a year of the average worker. >> i don't buy into socialism, i believe in democracy. i believe in capitalism. i believe that just because someone at the top is making a lot of money doesn't mean we should demonize them for that reason. >> why should they be secretary of labor when they are in charge of forcing the labor laws and they have a record of not even obeying the labor laws. >> because he believes in the philosophy that is going to make small business thrive and make it work at the top and thus

trickle down. he buys into a -- >> when did we last have a sect of labor who had the kind of non labor, no person working experience and has been an employer who has violated the labor laws? i'm senioorry. maybe you have a better memory. >> when was the last time we had a --. we can adhere to this socialist idea that's demonized the people at top but that is not going to make anyone better off at the end. in the end the policies of donald trump and the policies that his pick supports are going to make life better for the average worker. it worked in the 1980s. it is going to work again. >> it dd not work in the 19 ollied. >> it did work in the 1980s. >> wages were flat. the median wage started to flatten and decline in the 1980s and that was because we had a president who believed in supply side trickle down economics and

nothing trickled down. >> revenue doubled by the way. we had the greatest gdp growth in a long time. the greatest postrecession boom after world war ii ever in the nation's history. i did work. >> nothing trickled down to typical workers. >> we're going to jump in in the middle of this. donald trump is now being introduced on to stage. let's listen in in to his comments. actually we'll wait until he gets started. we don't know if tonight will be different in tone or tenor. >> i think he'll personalize it to the state. i think he'll talk about terry branstad. and iowa is a place trump has a tough relationship. caucuses he came in second. on the other hand he won the state in general election. i think that trump has a

habilitahabit when he does several rallies in a day of tailoring his message to each state. i think you will see something like that tonight. >> let's listen in. >> what a crowd. [ cheers and applause ] what great people. great people. i'm here today for one main reason. to say thank you to the great, great people of iowa. you went out and pounded the pavement. you organized your fellow citizens and propelled us to

victories as a grassroots and every other level. we have a movement the likes of which this world has never seen before. never seen before. i also want to give a very special thanks to our veterans. lot of have tveterans in this r. service members. military families. unbelievable people. yesterday was the 75th anniversary of pearl harbor and a reminder of the countless americans who made the ultimate sacrifice for this and our country. america's member and women in uniform are the finest and bravest the world has ever known. and by the way, folks. we are going to be building up our military.

it will no longer be a depleted military. i promise. so to all serving in our military, and to all veterans who wore the uniform before, i say to you now on behalf of a very, very grateful nation: thank you, thank you, thank you. we're in your debt. and we will never ever let you down. never. we'll honor your service, your sacrifice. and that really begins with defending and respecting our american flag.

i think you will be liking some of the things we'll be putting forward in the not too distant future. do you know what i mean? yes? do you know what i mean? when pearl harbor was attacked one man who immediately leaped to help his country was john glenn. for the rest of his career he was devoted to serving the american people, which he did from the cockpit of his bullet-ridden -- tough times -- >> oh that's okay. that's okay. we have to respect john glenn. i think they are actually on our side. they just don't know it yet. they will be soon. but john was also in the weight

less silence of his mercury spacecraft and later in the halls of the u.s. capitol our nation mourns the passing of one of our great heros. he was a giant among men and a true american legend who inspired generations of explorers and dreamers. and we will honor his legacy by continuing to push new frontiers in science, technology and space. in filling my cabinet i'm looking for people who fully understand the meaning of service and who are committed to advancing the common good. one such man who by the way our country has fallen in love with is general james "mad dog"

mattis. he doesn't lose. he doesn't lose. we were together last night. he's a great guy. a general's general they call him. earlier this week i formally announced my plans to nominate him as your new secretary of defense. i believe we're in the process of putting together one of the great cabinets that has ever been assembled in the history of our nation. do you like it so far, everybody? i also want to take this opportunity to thank your great senators. chuck grassley, great guy. really great guy. and a woman i've gotten to know very well. a tremendous woman. phenomenal person. that's right, jodi ernst.

they are going to be tremendous partners in the senate. and they are right now in washington d.c. working very hard on something that is very interesting. but they are tremendous, two tremendous people. they never wavered. you know we had some people. they would waiver. right? waiver. and as long as they came back some time prior to the vote, they were all right. but we don't like people that waiver. right? those two didn't waiver. i'll tell you who else didn't waiver. your governor didn't waiver. i want to tell you that. he didn't waiver. not even a little bit. and so soon i'm going to invite on to stage one of the newest editions to our admission. a man you know well. one of the most important relationships we must improve and we have to improve is our relationship with china.

the nation of china is responsible for almost half of america's trade deficit. china is not a market economy. they got a lot of help. and that is why we designate them as being a "non market" economy. big thing. they haven't played by the rules. and i know it is time that they are going to start. they are going start. they have got to. we're all in this thing together, folks. we've got play by the rules, folks. you have the massive theft of intellectual property, putting unfair taxes on our companies. not helping with the menace of north korea like they should. and the at will and massive devaluation of their currency and product dumping. other than that they have been wonderful. right? but i have to tell you, the man

that is going to be coming up here very soon, every single time i've spoken, as i'm going onto the stage he'd say please mr. trump. see then he called me mr. trump. now he can call me president elect. if it wasn't for him i probably wouldn't be president elect. but he always would say, mr. trump, donald. don't say anything bad about china when nyou are in iowa. i said why. because i have so in friends there. i like them and they like me. and we do well with china. we do well with china. so when it came to thinking about the ambassador to china, right? i started thinking now wait a minute. this is big stuff. and i can't tell you how many people wanted that position. it is not bad.

you go over there. you live like a kick. but he's not looking to live like a king. he and his beautiful wife came to my office the other day. they are looking to work on that relationship because he knows the people, and the leaders in china for so many years. he knew your current leader years ago and he said he will be the ultimate leader when he was just a young guy. but you have a very special man. and i just want to tell you officially, the man i have chosen as our ambassador to china is the man who knows china and likes china. better to like china if you are going to be over there, do we agree? and knows how to deliver results. and he will deliver results, just like he's been delivering results for 23 years for the great farmers and for the people of iowa. he's been on six trade missions

to china. and is highly respected. by all of the chinese officials. he's also a native of iowa. america's longest-serving governor in the history of our country. 23 years. think of that. in the history -- you don't know what it is to be a governor for four years is tough. 23 years. and has done an incredible job. he's also become a great friend of mine. i am now honored to welcome to the stage our next ambassador to china, your governor -- and i can truly say your great governor, terry branstad. come up, terry.

[ cheers and applause ] this is a big room. >> wow. president elect trump. fellow iowans. it has bhn a great honor and privilege to serve the people of this state. and thanks to our great new president who's going to make america great again, i am very proud to serve america in this very important role. thank you very much.

he's gonna do so great. with terry on our side. i know we will succeed in bringing our jobs back. and i also know that china who's been so tough and so competitive. and frankly dealing with people that didn't get it. but i'll tell you what, we're going to have mutually respect. we're going to have mutual respect. and china is going to benefit and we're going to benefit and terry is going to lead the way. so i just want to congratulate him. but to accomplish our goals we must reject the failed approaches of the past. government must stop listening to the special interests and

start delivering for the national interests. it is time to deliver for you the american people just like iowa delivered for me. boy, did you deliver. boy, did you deliver. you know just to go into this -- >> we're going to continue to monitor this speech see if there is anything new he's talking about. he's starting to echo the same things in a lot of these stops on his "thank you tour." this is his third tonight here in des moines, iowa. we are back with the panel monitoring this. as i say we'll bring you anything new the president elect actually says. maggie, again, it is sort of what we expected. but we heard from the nominee from ambassador of china. it is interesting just as a showman, as a kind of rolling out each cabinet selection as a kind of public spectacle.

it is interesting. >> we've never seen anything like it. there is no question like that. and it certainly has been criticized for being a spectacle. and only going with the celebrity apprentice executive producer title he's going retain. he would hold the events and throw out a bunch of different ideas and comments and make news on seven different topics. and in the meantime he's showcasing people and suggesting for them this is for you and this is about the general public. it is overshadowing criticism about specific nominees. it is overshadowing criticism about his business ties. and this has been for him an effective strategy. i don't know that it is going to be sustainable once he becomes president. and actually has to take office. but for now it seems to be working for him. >> secretary rice, have you ever seen nick like this? in terms of this public roll out

and presentation? >> anderson, i've never seen anything like it. not only is it a kind of spectacle or a victory lap. but it is not really a thank you tour. as the thank me tour. and it is all about donald trump. and even the phraseology he uses when he's you have a teleprompter it is all about being almost still in the campaign. some people wavered. others really didn't waiver. they were with me. those people over there who are still against me, they will see the light, they will come over to our side. all of the references to the campaign era. the campaign is over. but he's still in a sense -- it is us versus them. it is me versus the people who are criticizing me. and we will probably see more of that because i -- i think the donald trump personality itself is a personality about me versus them. me versus my critics. and he'll use every opportunity whether it is rallies or the tweets. the tweets are not going stop.

he's not going to change. this is the president elect. and this is the coming president of the united states. >> kayleigh, is that how you see what donald trump is say squlg and not at all and it is interesting how you can have totally different perspective. i saw someone who talked about the inner cities and said how important it is that we lift up the community that's been ignored for far too long. he's reaching across the aisle. he's done so repeatedly. he's taken calls from president obama. they speak on the phone for 45 minutes. he's taking opportunity to thank his voiters. if we want to call it a spectacle let's also note he's on pace or outpacing ever other president at the pace which he's picking nominees. and he's gets things done and thanks supporters and just because it is unprecedented doesn't mean it is bad. >> and he now has a number of people in place and closing in on finishing things. >> this is so ridiculous.

i mean, this is -- the bar is so incredibly low. what he's doing is spiking the ball. that is exactly what -- and unfortunately for us this is the new normal. there is nothing about these rallies that are presidential. it is insulting to the american people what he's doing. and also what -- the other -- >> why insulting? >> because he's standing there and -- wait let me go back to the low bar. it is such a low bar because if folks are not chanting lock her up or build a wall then he's president r presidential. if he's sticking to the teleprompter he's presidential. but everything about it is just upsetting. upsetting. why would you be spiking the ball. why don't you do some national security briefings. he's had more meetings about his does deals than actually sitting down and talking about the security of this country. >> if he were speaking the ball wouldn't he have yelled that

protester out of the room? he's not spiking the ball. he is taking a presidential tone and just because he's thanking supporters doesn't mean he's dividing them. >> i want to go back to the conversation about the cabinet picks. he's not unifying. jeff sessions decades ago was deemed too racist to be named federal job. not only that he was the one who said grabbing women by the nen tailia is not sexual assault. those are the people he's picking.genitalia is not sexual. those are the people he's picking. he's pointing someone who doesn't care about public education or public schools. he doesn't care about. and environmental protection agency he doesn't care about it. and he doesn't care about the environment. >> those are the ov oversimplifications. >> it is facts. >> i -- >> let kayleigh respond. >> this is the tactic of the

left. every time trump is a racist. and now bannon's a racist. he's a sitting sister -- and the choice for secretary of education just because she's for school choice doesn't mean she's against -- >> i think both positions are clear. >> here the problem. there are going to be philosophical differences. democrats are going to do say betsy devos is going to dislike public schools and hate public education, which is not true. betsy devos cares a lot about kids in public schools. she just happens to think there is a way of diversifying and creating a better system. the issue i think, the challenge is the style is totally new. we've just never seen this stylistic thing in the president. >> can i just? >> secretary reich, go ahead. >> this is not just style. these cabinet appointments are the most right wing group of

people. whether you are talking about epa or labor or hhs or treasury. we have not seen this degree of right wing. >> that is what happens when you are left republican -- >> but -- >> -- the point -- wait a minute. the point about this is that if he really thinks that he is unifying the country by these cabinet appointments. if he thinks that he's unifying the country by doing these big, big rallies that essentially celebrate his win and thank iowa for giving him a big margin this is not unifying. this is further dividing the country. >> margaret and then we got to break. >> i remember when barack obama won the presidency. he did have a moment. where he did look in the camera and he said well, we won. there is a bit of -- as a republican, you know, there are going to be conservative picks and there are going to be centrist picks and you can't every pick a republican president is going to nominate is going to be a centrist pick that is palatable to the left wing of the democrat party.

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we are continuing to monitor president-elect donald trump's speech in des moines, iowa, as we said. donald trump will continue to serve as an executive producer on nbc's reality show, "celebrity apprentice," we learned that a short the time ago. cnn the most powerful person on the planet will be the executive producer of "the apprentice." do we know much more of the details? >> that's absolutely right. it is unusual and it is unprecedented, like so many aspects of donald trump's campaign. but you know, as kellyanne conway said recently, if donald trump does it, it is presidential, because he did win and he is the president of the united states. or president-elect. what we know so far, about the deal, it's been confirmed by mgm as well as sources we have at nbc and the trump campaign, that he will have an executive

producer credit, because he will continue to have an ownership stake in this company, which he co-created with mark burnett. we have yet to receive any comment from mark burnett, but we do have a comment from the trump campaign, hope hicks, trump's spokesperson, who says, trump has a big stake in the show and conceived of it with mark burnett. so he will continue to get a paycheck every time an episode airs. it's not clear how much he will be paid. those payments will come from mgm, which owns and produces the show, not from nbc. but nbc will air the show and that raises a potential conflict of interest, because, of course, nbc also has nbc news, which will be covering trump's presidency for the next four years. >> i mean, i guess, ooup trying to think of other presidents who might have received -- you know, ronald reagan, i assume, received residuals for films or appearances he had made prior to being president, while he was

president. i guess i can say, i'm not sure if that's true or not. but i guess that would have been one -- the only equivalent that i can think of. >> well, there's that and there's also the possibility, and again, i don't know, and we have to find out, that certain presidents received residuals for books they had written. i think what's really going on here -- >> which would have been the case with president obama, if, in fact, that's what happened. >> indeed, for multiple books. and you know, the question is here sort of the appearance of it, this idea of, if you are given the role of president of the united states, if you are given that sort of extremely important position, should you also continue to have business interests elsewhere? i think of all the business interests that donald trump has, the relationship that he has with nbc is probably not the most significant. but there is this sort of question about what are president-elect trump's priorities? how is he spending his time? how does he see his role as president of the united states? is he a servant for the public good? or is he using this to sort of

advance his own brand and his own business interests? >> dylan byers, thanks very much. joining us now are two of our political analysts, david gergen and david gregory. david gergen, first of all, on the wloel tv connection, what do you make of it. you could argue that this is -- it may be unprecedented, but it's not illegal. and you know, this is what donald trump wants to do. >> in this case, anderson, other presidents have received, as president obama, you just pointed out, is receiving money from books he's done in the past. and so the money aspect of this is not a particularly disturbing. i do think there's a huge question of taste. and there's a huge question of what you lend your name to. i would think that in most cases, i would think most presidents would cut this off. the much, much bigger question is going to be what he's going to do on december 15th about these massive economic interests that he has in his company, and already, you know, the foreign

diplomats are holding things in his hotels or lining things up. there has a instinct pay-to-play quality to this. something he condemned in the clintons. and i think he's going to be held to a similar standard before this is all over. >> davidg gergen, we were havin this discussion right before the break, secretary rice was saying sort of these picks are unprecedented and his cabinet selections go far to the right. but margaret hoover made the point and i've made the point as well, donald trump won. it's not unprecedented for a president from a different party that gets into power to want to put the people in place that he wants and that reflects his beliefs and the beliefs of those around him. and it's not as if donald trump didn't run with a lot of these issues in the forefront. it's not a surprise, what his positions are. >> i grow with all of the predicates in that question, and i think secretary reich, with respect, is making a highly ideological argument against donald trump and against his

administration. what's surprising about his picks to me, is that someone who is so clearly non-ideological, donald trump, someone who has never been a conservative in his public life, is choosing people who are conservative, who are stalwart republicans, and there is something of a theme with regard to the business picks, that they're strongly opposed to government regulation. and they're going to want to dial those back. he is at odds with himself. he's picking people who are at odds with some of his own positions. you take the minimum wage. so i think that's kind of striking. but, as margaret made the reference, and the debate was the stimulus debate. and the stimulus plan that president obama and his team passed to the congress. and when there was resistance from republicans, whether it was nancy pelosi, who was then speaker or the president, president obama said, look, we won. well, donald trump won and he's now building his government in his image.

>> right. david gergen, another president said, look, i've got political capital and i'm going to start spending. >> well, look, i think he's entitled ed td to who he wants. but when he goes out to iowa and says, we've got the best cabinet ever, that's not a point on which americans agree. there's a new pew poll out today, anderson, that compares the approval rating for trump's cabinet picks and his other selections so far, puts it at 40% approval. that's the lowest of any five presidents over the last, basically, 30 years. so, it is, i don't think it's necessarily going over as well. but can say one thing, anderson. it seems to me the news of the night in iowa was this attack on china again. i don't know why he -- he is really picking a fight with the most important player we're going to have a relationship with over the course of his presidency. that is very, very unusual. normally you settle these things

quietly. we have differences, we clearly have differences with china, but he goes out and knocks china on the chin like he did tonight, that's going to deepen the hostility and animosity, and he cannot bully china into doing things. he's using threats against a lot of people. the chinese won't take the way -- so i don't understand why he goes after and threatens people as a way to get things done. >> that comes on the heels of the phone call with taiwan, which is something we've been reporting on. much more ahead in the next hour of "360." malek tru president-elect trump taking his thank you tour to iowa. more, just ahead. ritual around . people rely on that first cup and i wouldn't want to mess with that. but when (my) back pain got bad, i couldn't sleep. i had trouble getting there on time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour strength of aleve. for pain relief that can last into the morning. ♪ look up at a new day...

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