welcome back to another hour of "360." president-elect donald trump is in des moines, iowa, the latest stop in his thank you tour. i want to hear some of what he said so far. >> but to accomplish our goals, we must reject the failed approaches of the past. government must stop listening to the special interests and start delivering for the national interests. we're going to undertake one of the great tax reforms and

simplifications in american history. it's got to be simpler. too much work, too complicated. at the center of this plan is massive tax relief for the american middle class. has been forgotten. forgotten. boy, did they come out and vote, huh? they came out and vote. you know, i think both parties, to a certain extent, but especially the other side. they forgot about those people. that's why i call them, the forgotten men and the forgotten women. they're not forgotten anymore, folks. they're not forgotten. they're not forgotten anymore. it's time to help americans get off the welfare and get back into the labor market. and they're going to want to do it. they're going to want to do it. rebuilding this country with american hands, by american

workers. we're going to do it. we're going to have people that haven't worked for years. they're going to love working. they're going to love it. they're going to be incentivized. we're not going to be the stupid people anymore, folks. we're not going to be the stupid people. because from now on, it's going to be america first. it's going to be america first. very simple. you know, some of the deals made, and i've been studying them, actually, i like reading deals. do you believe this? i don't know what that is. but i've been studying some of these deals. they're horrible. they're inconceivable. but we're going to have some great news for you in the very near future. my administration will follow two simple rules. buy american and hire american. remember, years ago, we used to proudly display made in the usa.

you go get a car, right? have you ever seen it? i don't see it anymore. we ought to start doing that. any of the manufacturers, and we're doing a lot of -- a lot of talking to a lot of companies that were thinking about leaving. and i don't think they're going to be leaving so fast anymore. they're not going to be leaving so fast anymore. because we love our companies and we love it when they're employing thousands of people. but we don't love our companies when they leave and go to another country and think they can make their product and sell it back into our country, like we're a bunch of fools, like they've been getting away with for the last 35 years. not going to do it. >> that was donald trump a short time ago. senior washington correspondent, jeff zeleny, joins me now from des moines. we aired live a bunch of president-elect trump's speech. overall, what was his tone tonight?

>> reporter: anderson, donald trump's tone really is one of a valedictory speech. he is taking a victory lap here in every state that he won, those key battleground states. and of course he took time to remind the voters here in iowa that they delivered one of the biggest victories for him, some ten percentage points over hillary clinton, one month ago tonight. and anderson, he also talked about a sort of behind the scenes of what he's been doing over the last month. he's been talking about his cabinet secretaries, he's been talking about call ceos individually who are threatening to move some jobs and some business out of the country. he is clearly enjoying and reveling in this moment. it feels like a campaign rally more backward looking than forward looking. still making a lot of promises here, again, longer on showmanship than actual specifics here. but no doubt about it, this crowd loves it. these are his hard-core supporters. so happy to see him here again. the question, with anderson, will he go reach out to others who didn't vote for him in states that did not, perhaps, go

his way. so far, none of those states are scheduled on his victory tour. >> jeff zeleny, thanks very much. back with our panel, margaret hoover, kerstin powers, kayleigh mcenany and jean pierre. it is interesting. we saw on the second stop of this so-called thank you tour. donald trump continues to raise the bar in terms of expectations. we've seen candidates often who, you know, say one thing on the campaign trail, then as they start to take on the mantle of president, start to try to tamp down expectations. donald trump is saying, you know, people are going to get off welfare, they're going to like their jobs, they're going to love to work, they're going to want to work, they're going to be incentivized. you know, the military is going to have the best equipment. it's going to be clean, it's going to be brand-new. >> made by americans in america to sound so much like, if you like your health care, you can keep it. be very careful what you promise. these are very big promises and very hard things to implement. very difficult things. you can't just change u.s. trade policy quickly in four years.

you have a congress, you have deals, you have -- so it does -- that's exactly what i thought when i heard it. it sounds like a promise that is too good to be true, to a group of people who desperately need it to be true and voted for you because they expect that tuck deliver that. and you also said in your acceptance speech, i am the only one who can fix it. that's just setting a bar, as you're saying, incredibly high. >> see, i tend to think that he has to deliver on a few key promises. and one of his core points is trade deals, he's going to negotiate better trade deals and help american workers. and if he doesn't deliver on that promise, he's going to be in trouble. i think some of -- and he needs to deliver on repealing obamacare, because that is a core republican issue. and they're going to feel very betrayed if he doesn't -- >> what about building the wall? >> and i think building the wall. i think those are the three things. i think immigration, border security, in particular. i think those are the three things. after that, i tend to think, you know, he's probably -- people aren't going to be paying as close of attention. but those, i think people take very seriously. and on the buy american, make

american thing, it's interesting, if you look at his labor secretary pick, he's somebody who is very much for expanding visas to bring more workers in to basically, you know, because he wants more workers for -- he runs, you know, a fast food business. this is something that donald trump has actually opposed. it kind of works at odds with this idea of, we want to keep hiring americans versus bringing in new people. so, it's just, it's just curious that he would choose this -- >> although donald trump, as we reported frequently during the campaign, i mean, has had foreign workers, seasonally in mar-a-lago and obviously the products that he, himself, was selling were made overseas. >> right. this is the issue with, you know, buy american, for americans. his own business does not set that example and has not set that example. this is the constant impulse tension with donald trump. on the one hand, he says -- thinking about something we said in an earlier segment, how you can watch an event he's doing and two people take two different things. that's because often donald trump says two different things

that are at odds with each other. one thing he's saying is buy american for americans, on the other hand, it's sort of, do as i say, but not as i do, or do as i would, but not as my labor secretary would do. right now i think the labor secretary has it correct he's still campaigning, essentially. he's speaking in slogans. so we don't know what a lot of this is going to look like. i do agree he'll have to keep a few promises and then he'll probably be in okay shape. i'm not sure the wall is actually among them. a number of voters i spoke to at his rallies say, i don't know if you can really do that but i like the way it sounds, was pretty broad. the economy has to do better for a lot of people and the wages have to go up. those are the things people will look at. >> it's very possible that donald trump could approach the presidency as an ongoing campaign. you know, other presidents have talked about that or have wished they could have done that. but donald trump is in a unique position. if he leaves a lot more details

up to his cabinet picks and his vice president and others, he could sort of keep this bully pulpit, public -- the ability to capture the public and maintain interest, he could keep that going. >> he certainly could. and that's why when we heard the rumors of there maybe being an outside organization led by kellyanne conway, that kind of promotes and keeps the grassroots and keeps the excitement for four years from now. it definitely signals that perhaps, if this is in the works, that there is going to be some element of looking forward to the future, keeping this campaign aspect as part of his presidency. but one of the things i want to point out, i think kirsten's absolutely right. he's got to deliver on those three main points. and he would be wise to consider the order of them. there were inklings that came out of capitol hill that said, republicans don't want to work with donald trump. if that is true. if he gives them everything they want, and come back to them and say, help me because i helped you, they may not be so willing. if trade was important to me, i'm renegotiating nafta, get on board, he may get his way.

he has to be clever in the way he approaches these issues and the order. >> as a democrat, we have talked about this before, have you -- where do you want to see the democrats standing in the face of a donald trump presidency? >> look, i think that they should -- i mean, look, if you're looking at his cabinet picks, there are some troubling picks there, amongst the folks that he's chosen. and i think they have to resist and fight against some of them. and not all of them -- i know that mattis is one they're probably not going to go fight against. i think jeffrey sessions, i think the epa guy. i think there are a couple there that they have to stand up and fight. and so that's where i -- i'm with that. but just to maggie's point, there is different trumps here. we have the businessman trump, who is outsourcing his business to bangladesh, to china and all different types of country. and you have the campaign trump, who actually had the populist message that really resonated and talked about jobs. and now we're trying to see who

is president trump going to be? and that's the part that we just don't know. one thing that we do know is that he likes to delegate. so a lot of these, that's why these cabinet picks are important. a lot of these cabinet picks are going to be delegated the job. and yes, maybe he'll continue doing this and be the campaigner in chief, but we just don't know. >> yeah, what i was going to say, some of the issues, too, if you look at some of the cabinet picks, some of the people we're talking about, if you look at the labor secretary, epa, and ag, it's almost like mike pence was elected president. and of course, if mike pence had run for president, he wouldn't have won, i don't think. i think donald trump won because he did have this populist message that wasn't an ideological message, right? so i think his to be careful about, on the one happened, he does need to defer to people who have experience in government, which seems to be what he's doing, but on the other hand, that's not who he was elected to be. he was elected to be someone who's not a down the line conservative. >> i think that's right. look, i think, also, he's going to get a bunch of goodwill.

to margaret's point earlier about how that phrase, that slogan about "buy american" sounds like, "if you like your doctor, you can keep it," there is an enormous sense of frustration among conservatives who feel like trump has gotten criticized for things that president obama did a version of. not to the same degree or the same way, but he was able to say things like, look, we won, and didn't receive a whole lot of criticism for it. so i think he's going to get some goodwill. but i do think that you are correct that he has put together a surprisingly ideological number of picks, only because this is a guy who has been a democrat and a republican and an independent. and i think that people who weren't really sure what he would be like as president were hoping. people who are not conservative were hoping they would see something different. but again, we still don't know what it's going to look like in his governance. >> also, each of these -- look, they do sort of look like mike pence appointees. but look, there is, i think, a hope amongst conservatives that are still in the house of

representatives and on capitol hill that that's what would happen. right? donald trump would get elected and they would get their conservative agenda through congress. because mike pence was going to be their ally in the white house. and i think any one of those cabinet secretaries that are very conservative picks would be careful not to go out on their own and act like it's a conservative government, because they are one step away from annoying or angering donald trump, the president, from being sold down the river. >> that is very, very true. up next, president-elect trump plans to remain executive producer of nbc's "celebrity apprentice" after he takes office, a decision that's raising some eyebrows. we'll take a look at that, ahead. the microsoft cloud helps us stay connected. the microsoft cloud offers infinite scalability. the microsoft cloud helps our customers get up and running, anywhere in the planet. wherever there's a phone, you've got a bank, and we could never do that before. the cloud gave us a single platform to reach across our entire organization. it helps us communicate better. we use the microsoft cloud's advanced analytics tools to track down cybercriminals.

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president-elect donald trump will continue to serve as an executive producer as nbc's reality show, "celebrity apprentice." also tonight, there are signs that trump may not bow to the growing pressure he's facing to make a clean break with his real estate company before taking office. "the new york times" is reporting that trump is considering turning over operational responsibilities to his two adult sons, while keeping a stake in the business. now, under that plan, ivanka trump would also take a leave of absence from the company. a source tells cnn that both ivanka trump and her husband, jared kushner, will play roles in washington, with ivanka acting along the lines of a surrogate first lady, washington hostess, and adviser on issues like paid family leave. joining me tonight is partner at wiley ryan in washington, also biographer, michael deantonio, author of "the truth about trump." >> michael, first of all, what do you make of this that donald trump will remain an executive producer of "celebrity apprentice"? >> i was surprised that when i dealt with donald that he was proud of the money he made there. and he gave me the figure and i was surprised it was so little so maybe he needs the money. this is a guy who gave up the president's salary, and he might think, well, i'm not going to give up everything. i own a piece of this show, i want to keep it. >> the president of the united states having a role or financial interest in a primetime network television show is certainly unprecedented, but is there anything wrong with it from a legal perspective? >> no, he can continue earning money. of course, there's a slight precedent. i mean, ronald reagan continued to get royalties and residual

payments for his appearances in movies that he made when he was in the entertainment business. but what's unprecedented about donald trump is that he has such variety and massive investments that he's accumulated over many decades and we've never really had a president this rich with this amount of wealth invested in this type of a business. >> an ongoing business. michael, now they're reporting from "the new york times" that donald trump, that basically his two adult sons may be the ones who are in operational control of the business, not ivanka trump, which is certainly an interesting development. >> well, it is. especially when you consider that ivanka's probably the most valuable brand ambassador that the whole organization has. so he is giving up something there. but i think what's important to notice is that donald trump has never been governed by what's ethical or seemly or what appears as a conflict of interest.

he's always been concerned about the letter of the law. so doing the right thing, as you and i might imagine it, which would involve limiting the amount of problems and potential conflicts, isn't in his mind. he's going to do what's legal. and he's going to do what he thinks is best for him. eventually, maybe, the weight of the presidency will move him to behave differently, but for now, he's true to form. >> and there's no reason still to believe, michael, that he will divest ownership of the business? >> no, i don't expect that he will. i don't think that he has ever played by the rules that apply to everyone else. he's always wanted to be an exception. and he is exceptional, you know, he is a businessman of the sort we've never elected. he has holdings of the type we've never seen before, so, all of this is new territory. and he's going to demand that the rules be written for him, specifically. >> jan, it's interesting, because on the one hand, if trump decides not to sell his business, there are questions,

with you know, if he has the good of the country in mind. but on the other hand, if he divests, who he actually sells to, that could be a thorny issue, as well. if he's selling to saudi arabia, or some other entity. >> yeah. i think it's a huge practical problem. people talk about, well, the president -- you know, president-elect trump ought to just sell everything. well, it's not like waving a magic wand. i mean, he has a great assortment of properties. you know, he's got a slightly used golf course in scotland that he just opened last year. and he's got a brand-new hotel here in washington, d.c. so, let's say that he wanted to sell these things. who will buy it? what price would they pay? how long would it all take? and he would have to do that, theoretically, dozens, if not hundreds of times. and of course, we're talking about the guy who wrote a book called "the art of the deal." i mean, he's not going to give away this stuff. he'll want to negotiate it. >> and there are tax implications as well, obviously,

jan. >> there are some tax implications. although, there is a law that says that if somebody has to sell something, because of a conflict of interest, the taxes, if they're gains, are deferred. as long as they reinvest the proceeds in mutual funds and government bonds. which, of course, presents an interesting question, if you sell everything and put it in a government bond, you're getting paid by the government, for pete's sake. so, you know, there is no magic solution here and people are talking about it and he's struggling with this. in large part because it's unprecedented. we've never had this type of situation before. >> well, there's a really interesting point to be made about the hotel in washington. the landlord is the gsa. and the gsa forbids any person -- >> the general services administration. >> -- employed by the government

from receiving, from being the other side of the contract. so he now is both the landlord and the renter of this property. under most circumstances, the gs else. >> michael, appreciate you being on again. jan, thanks so much for being with us. >> you bet. coming up, president-elect trump and the generals. he's picked three retired top brass to join his cabinet and play key roles in his national security team. we'll take a look at who they are and what it may mean about u.s. foreign policy, moving forward. ♪ for millions of baby boomers there's a virus out there. a virus that's serious, like hiv, but it hasn't been talked about much. a virus that's been almost forgotten. it's hepatitis c. one in 30 boomers has hep c, yet most don't even know it. that's because hep c can hide in your body silently for years, even decades, without symptoms

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they worry about sort of a more hawkish foreign policy. but isn't sort of the opposite often true, that it's often the military personnel who are sort of counseling restraint, more than some civilians, who are content to be more hawkish? >> i would certainly agree with that, anderson. and i think it's because of the professional military education that every single general officer goes through on his or her rise to the top. you know, every single general officer has graduated from one of the four war colleges in the country, where they study national security policy. so it's not just as probably many americans think, it's not just military operations and tactics and strategies that they're studying, but they're actually looking at how all elements of national security come together to defend the people of the country. so, it would normally be the military folks in the room, who

are looking for not only the means of power from a military perspective, but also the means of power from diplomacy, information, and economy, to apply to any given situation. so, yeah, i would suggest that those who were trained in this have a better feel for what kind of advice to give than those who have not been. >> phil, what do you make of the selections and that sort of, that number of military personnel? >> i think the commentary on this, anderson, has been overdone. the commentary is focused on whether these people come from a military background. i would offer some different optics. you might flip this 180 degrees. it's not only where they're from, it's the prospective they bring to the job based on their general experience. what you were just talking about with general hertling. my experience, less than general hertling, but with the war on terrorism is, if you come face to face with an adversary, and that face to face confrontation

involves killing on the battlefield, that doesn't mean you become more aggressive. i think in some ways, that means you become less aggressive. even if you look at the killing of a terrorist suspect on the battlefield, that suspect loses a child, loses a family, loses a parent. i think that becomes you mean more sober, not less. i think there's also a potential positive on reality checks. the president-elect has made comments, even this week about russian involvement in the elections, that i think are not realistic. these individuals have been face to face in latin american, on the immigration problem, against the russian issue, in places like the middle east. i think there's a prospect they bring a blunt reality to president-elect trump that he does not have now. so i think there's advantages here, anderson, in addition to some of the limitations that americans have talked about in the past couple of days. >> you know, general hertling, to echo something phil just said, you and i have discussed comments that donald trump made, bombing the hell out of isis, take the oil, to the victor go the spoils. those aren't thing that any of those military personnel that actually have experience on the ground, they would be able to

you ever a their own experience to the president about whether or not that's viable. >> well, we've seen that already in general mattis suggesting to mr. trump that waterboarding is not a good idea, torture is not a good idea. that's just the start of things. but, yeah, anderson, everything that phil said is exactly right. these guys, at least two of the three of these guys, who have been combatant commanders and who have had responsibility for a very large portion of the globe, general mattis in the middle east with central expand and general kelly in south america with southcom, they have dealt with not only the armies of other countries, but extensively, with the government, with the economies, and with the diplomats from those countries. not only our diplomats, the ambassador's, but the diplomats from the other countries. so they are pretty savvy in the ways of the world, the history, and the culture of countries. they also know military operations. they're patriots, too. they're going to abide by the constitution more than by the

whim of someone who throws out what he or she this is are good ideas. and then, finally, more than anything, right now, the military are admired by the people of our country. it's a 76% approval rate by the military. congress is at about 11%. mr. putin has a 13% approval rate, so he's in better shape than our congress. that's going to help mr. trump get the right kind of policies across. >> phil, you have raised questions over concerns about general flynn. >> i think there's a couple of issues we're dealing with. the first issue you discussed, anderson, is an issue of where these individuals come from. military background. that is a different question than what kind of judgment and temperment individuals bring to the table. my question about general flynn is not the word "general." my question is about temperament and judgment, for example, that was showed on the political stump when an individual who's a former general officer says "lock her up" about an opposing political candidate.

that is not an acceptable statement by someone going into a difficult foreign policy environment, when you've got to deal with north korean missiles, or the iranian nuclear program. my question is not whether he's a general officer, my question is about temperament. and my answer is, the individual you're talking about, general flynn, does not have the temperament to serve in the white house on judgments about the issues we're dealing with. it's not about where he's from, it's about who he is. >> phil mudd and general hertling, thank you for being us. up next, how fake news can do real harm. a look at how sandy hook hoaxsters, people who believe sandy hook never happened have targeted a victim's family. i'm going to talk to noah's father in a moment. i'll have that goat cheese garden salad. that gentleman got the last one. sir, you give me that salad and i will pay for your movie

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tonight, keeping 'em honest. another example of how fake news or lies can do real harm. on monday, we reported on the arrest of a man who allegedly opened fire at a pizza parlor. now a florida woman has been

charged with making death threats against the father of a child killed in the sandy hook massacre in newtown, connecticut. 6-year-old noah posner was one of 20 first graders gunned down inside his school. six adults were also children. next week is the four-year anniversary of the massacre. the woman who allegedly threatened noah's father believes that the shooting is a hoax orchestrated by the government and media to drum up support for gun control. they believe it never happened. as outrageous as that sounds, this woman is not alone. we reported on other sandy hook hoaxsters, including atlantic university professor, james tracy, who shortly after the shooting said this. now, when a local reporter caught up with tracy and asked him about this outrageous theory, here's what he said. let's listen. >> you had 20 families that were mourning that buried children. are you concerned about that at all? >> well, i think that the entire country mourned about sandy

hook. and yet once again, the investigation that journalistic institutions should have carried out never actually took place, as far as i'm concerned. i think that we need to, as a society, look at things more carefully. perhaps we as a society have been conditioned to be duped. >> we asked tracy repeatedly to come on our show. he refused our invitations. his university fired him this year for failing to submit paperwork on his outside activities, including his blogging about conspiracy theories, concerning mass shootings. now, the lies a lot of these people spread are frankly sickening. some individuals have harassed grieving sandy hook families. they've even claimed an interview i did in newtown in the days after the shooting with noah posner's mom was faked. take a look, this is the interview. they claim it was actually done in front of a green screen in a studio. and as proof, they say my nose disappears briefly from the shot at one point. for the record, that's what we call in tv land a hit, when

there's interference with the satellite signal, the image is interrupted in a completely random way. why they think i wouldn't have driven up to connecticut to cover this from new york city seems odd, given that i've traveled all around the world to report on stories. just to put this to bed, i'll be clear, their claim is insane. i was there. i talked to the families, invited into their homes, in some cases. i saw a grieving family's pain. they were not crisis actors. they were real parents suffering unimaginable loss. it doesn't even need to be said like that. recently, i talked by phone to lynn posner, noah's dad. he didn't want his face to be shown or his location named. he understandably wants to avoid more harassment. >> i know you can't give many details about the case since it's obviously ongoing. is there anything you can say about it, what some of the nature of the threats were or at least how often does this kind of thing happen? >> well, the voice mails that were left by a different individual, they're available

online, so they can be heard. and they're pretty intense. i know that when i got the notification on my phone, i was with my kids and the voice mail started to auto play, and i very quickly had to turn off the phone, because the kids would have, you know, were starting to overhear what was being said. and i had just -- i still remember just the chills running down my body, hearing that voice mail. so it's really -- it's over the top. >> i think for most americans, they probably don't have much idea of the kind of vitriol that's out there by a very small number of people, but are directed toward not only you, but other parents of kids who were killed at sandy hook, anybody who reported on sandy hook.

there are all these people who, frankly, don't believe that sandy hook happened. >> well, a lot of people say that it's a small number that think this way, but my experience tells me it's not a small number of people. it's a small number of people that are as vocal about it. a lot of people just keep it to themselves. it's an expression of, uh -- there's hate. it's online hate. and it's kind of like -- i describe it as a thought virus, because it -- this hoax concept just continues to spread. so, with every, you know, mass casualty event or with every public innocent, it's immediately labeled a hoax by this certain circle of people that are on the web. and there are a lot of forces that drive them.

i mean, they have their youtube channels could be monetized, their bugs could be monetized. i know that with the mass casualty event in orlando at the pulse nightclub, there were hoax content coming out while the shooting was still going on. >> you created an organization, a foundation, to try to counter this. to try to get these lies, you know, taken off the web. to try to just inform people about what, you know, what they call themselves truthers, you call them hoaxsters. >> right. i don't consider them truthers. when someone says "truthers," that really makes me think 9/11. that's really the term. and as far as sandy hook, we've been calling them hoaxsters

since, you know, since pretty much the beginning. because they -- first of all, they don't think anything bad ever happens. they don't think anyone ever gets hurt. so they think that wherever they see something on the web or on television, that is a crime or mass casualty event, that it has to be a hoax. and then if there is debunking evidence that comes out that shows that they made mistakes, like researchers, like normal researchers, they won't correct their mistakes. and oftentimes, they start to fabricate their evidence or fudge their evidence or photoshop their evidence, so really their contributing to the hoax by falsifying the information that they're propagating. so they're hoaxsters by calling everything a hoax, and then everything they do after the fact is sort of distributing false information to people.

>> you know -- i mean, i know other parents who have been harassed online, who have been harassed in person. you know -- i mean, this is not -- this is not just happening to you and your family. >> this happens to anyone, really, online. it's sort of like cyberbullying, but not, you know, within the context of school kids. it's just in the context of anyone. and, um, it's basically just hate. they're expressing, they're projecting hate on to people. and if someone is visible, if someone is a victim of a -- you know, of crime, it's easy to find people these days on the web. so it -- it -- it's easy to gain access to someone. >> well, len pozner, i'm so sorry for what you're going through and have been going through. thank you for talking to us.

>> thank you very much for having me. >> well, with len has formed a group called honor raising awareness about hoaxsters that target families from high-profile tragedies. you can learn more about honr.com. up next, remembering the iconic john glenn.

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space race. >> long-term staying power. this is not a sprint. it's a marathon. >> glenn had already made history in 1957 when he broke the transcontinental speed record during a flight from los angeles to new york. he did it in just three hours and 23 minutes. it was his journey around the >> glenn had already made history in 1957 when he broke the transcontinental speed record during a flight from los angeles to new york. he did it in just three hours and 23 minutes. it was his journey around the globe that boosted america's spirit. >> people have looked up for tens and thousands of years and have looked up and wondered what was up there in our lifetime we're going up there.

what a fortunate time we are in and what a great time in history to be around. >> reporter: later, glenn laughed at the risks he took. >> we used to joke about it, what do you think about on the launch pad and the standard answer was, how would you feel? glenn learned to fly in college and joined the marine corps in 1943. >> i spent 23 years in the united states marine corps. i was in two wars. i flew 149 missions. >> reporter: in 1964, glenn resigned from nasa after john f. kennedy deemed him too valuable as a national hero to risk another trip into space. in 1974, politics got his eye. and the moderate democrat won a u.s.-senate seat in ohio. he ran for president in 1984. >> with the nomination of my party, i firmly believe i can beat ronald reagan. >> reporter: glenn lost the nomination. that didn't stop him, though. at age 77, he was back in space again, flying a nine-day mission on the shuttle "discovery," the oldest person ever to travel

into space. despite it all, john glenn never considered himself a hero saying, i think i'm the same person who lived in ohio and went off to participate in a lot of events of importance. modesty from a man who took hold of space and never let go. >> john glenn will be buried at arlington national cemetery. he was a hero to generations of americans, including the astronauts who followed in his footsteps. joining me is scott kelly. who has made hess own mark on the space program and beyond. captain kelly, how important to you personally was john glenn? >> well, he was a pioneer of space flight and if you use the analogy, i guess, of a kid playing baseball, he was like babe ruth. he was one of the greats, one of the original mercury 7 and one of the last surviving member of

the first astronaut class. so he was really hard to put into words how important he was to us. >> the life that he led, not only as an astronaut but after and this natural curiosity that pushed him beyond his limits all in the name of exploration, it really is extraordinary. he really epitomized the space naj a lot of ways. >> yeah, absolutely extraordinary. in his original career as an astronaut, he only flew that first flight and then it wasn't until he was in his 70s that he flew a second time. he became so important to our country that president kennedy didn't want to, you know, risk flying him again and but then he continued, you know, to push forward and do the hard things and continued to contribute to our country and our society. i was really amazed that until very recently, he was flying an airplane by himself. >> it's also sort of now in many ways people take space flight for granted now.

but when john glenn was, you know, doing it early on, it's obviously an incredibly risky thing even now, but there was so much still to be learned, so much still kind of unknown. >> yeah. at that time, you know, during those early -- those very early days, it wasn't even clear how the human physiology -- you know, if our hearts would beat the right way and if we would actually be able to survive in a microgravity environment. in addition to the rocket, the risk of the rocket blowing up, which we had a lot of rockets blowing up at that time, there was also the risk of if our physiology would even function and there were just huge unknowns. >> you also look at geopolitical and nuclear proliferation, the cold war, the # race into space, all loomed large in america's consciousness in the 1960s and john glenn had a part in restoring the u.s. confidence, he orbited the earth three times and it's almost impossible to explain what a

national hero he was. as you said, kennedy didn't want him to go into space again because he was too valuable. >> absolutely. his first flight, which was a third of the mercury flights proved that we could match what the russians were doing at the time, was orbiting the earth and really gave us the spark to reach for the moon and it's hard to put into words how important that was to our country, to our space program and how important he is. >> yeah. an extraordinary life that he led, extraordinary contributions. scott kelly, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. and we'll be right back.

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